@MegaHellochicken --I am lucky enough to have "Mingus Presents Mingus " out of print with Dolphy, Curson and Richman-- the orginal workshop-- I could rant on and on about what I really dig about that record---all I'm saying is that this vid left me disappointed.
oh and about your conclusion --looks like its wrong-- no offense meant to you though :)
Granted the most of the tune is played 'straight' and that is not what I was talking about--in fact my comment was highlighting this very point--but Hamiett's solo from pretty much from 5:11 onward is free (c.f. screeching and generally not playing the changes at all)---so yeah--I love Mingus --
the bari player was set to take an outta sight solo but everyone got too rambunctious so he ended up playing free. If you listen to the first few bars of his under mic'd solo you will come to the same conclusion.
@izmirlig I don't think so! I'd seen Bluett live on 2 occasions with Mingusand his style was the same. He blew his mind out on that Bari all the time. He was in total control in this session, just like the rest of the band. Mingus never let his crew get lost. I saw him 5 times, he was always in control.
@izmirlig Um... Hamiett just took an "outta sight solo". And the piano player is playing the harmonies Mingus wrote under his solo pretty much the whole solo, so it's really not free. I've come to the conclusion that you rambunctiously don't know what you're posting about.
i love this tune one of Mingus' best,right up there with 'devil woman','the man who never sleeps','haitian fight song' ',jelly roll soul' and 'better get it in your soul', and of course many others.
I heard this on the radio, before which I didn't know who Charles Mingus was. I've listened through half a dozen of his songs just to find this one and I'd do it all again.
many great musicians, including Mingus and Monk, were ''plagued by mental illness' - because they were just too fucking great to deal with a world of mental midgets.
it is interesting that in the late 60's and 70's Mingus loosened up his approach - I suppose in response to the changing scene and the new musicians - played a lot more pulsing, floating, syncopated lines - moved away from the hard driving walking lines that so dominated his early stuff. You can hear those other elements sometimes in his early work but in cuts like this it's a different Mingus - of course his bass had to take on a different role the way the new guys were playing.
hamiet bluiett is the shit. especially in the video "flowers for my lady" where he does that entire solo 2 octaves higher than the normal range of the bari sax
We were just a dance/wedding band playing at the local spots around New Paltz, NY where I live. Johnny didn't have a car, so he would usually get a ride to New Paltz and I would drive him home to Newburgh after the gig, or I'd take him back in time for church, where he played organ in his mother's choir. This was early 60's. Johnny had a notebook of his compositions and I have been trying to find out if it may have survived. He wrote great stuff, and it should be published!
Jacofan12609, that other drummer is a great drummer named Roy Brooks. I highly recomend an album he put out called the "Free Slave", it's an excellent album, and he was a part of Max Roache's percussion ensamble called M Boom. He has a sad story, He had been plagued by mental illness for years, and was put in prision instead of being treated, and was released in 2002, but died not long after.
This is MUSIC ! I love Charles Mingus, his compositions, his bass playing, his arrangements. This group is excellent, although I am sentimentally linked to the version played with Eric Dolphy, Jacki Biard, Danny Richmond etc.
..I'll stay right here at Peggy's Blue Skylight as if it is Birdland and the smoke is thick and I am ever young. Thanks Astrotype...and I am wired waiting for my black coffee.
I had to come back. I almost feel like crying for the wonder of how nostalgic I feel with this "straight ahead no chaser" attack, grabbing my like the hook of lightening and ratcheting me to that place where the air is toxic, lethal and that trumpet playing is akin to Dizzy stretching and daring us to go to the moon with him...
This is about magic. As someone whose middle name is Margaret and growing up to "Peg of My Heart", "Peggy's Blue Skylight" set my heart afire with all that intense Young Blood fire that soared all over the face of my bebop soul.
¡Que tempo! Me encanta el lirismo del trompetista Joe Gardner, el saxo Hamiet Bluiett nos da una colosal lección de libertad, el maestro Mingus alimenta los fogones de la máquina de jazz.
Muy resañable el lirismo del trompetista Joe Gardner y la impresionante lección de libertad del saxo John Foster, por supuesto el maestro Mingus alimentando los fogones de la máquina de jazz.
Hi, I knew Johnny in the early '60s when he played in my group near New Paltz, NY. I believe he died very young of a heart attack - probably not long after this 1972 session with Mingus. Johnny had some notebooks of his music that I have been trying to locate for years. Do you know anything about his compositions?
I think Danny Richmond was playing with John Mayall during this period. Mingus had this group for a good while, I saw them in Boston at the Jazz Workshop and they were killing. Too bad they didn't record...
This is what you call an entire group Kicking Ass and Taking No Prisoners on each solo and as an ensemble. The MoFo just starts out fast and then just builds and builds in intensity until Roy Brooks killer ending. Joder!! John Foster is amazing and Bluett blows the Bari like it was a mutant tenor....focking Incredible. What chops these guys had!! Thank you Thank you a million times over.
@kingpleasure - it is interesting that in the late 60's and 70's Mingus loosened up his approach - I suppose in response to the changing scene and the new musicians - put a lot more focus on pulse and floating, syncopated lines. You can hear those elements on occasion in his earlier work but in cuts like this it's a different Mingus entirely - but still unique in his power and COMMANDING playing.
what always amazed me about Mingus - whether live or here on youTube, is his complete presence of mind and ability to lead no matter how hot and heavy and intense the session - he could be deep in the crucible of jazz creation, but he's cool and watching everything and leading the band and the gig while also being in tbe thick of the music and leading with the bass. He was such a pro and such a virtuoso he played almost by reflex music that other musicians could never even approach..
Yeah--right. I've never really understood that putdown--of all the times I've had the pleasure its never been regrettable.
Best to you in your search to the truth and to the light--brother
Grant
izmirlig 2 months ago
@MegaHellochicken --I am lucky enough to have "Mingus Presents Mingus " out of print with Dolphy, Curson and Richman-- the orginal workshop-- I could rant on and on about what I really dig about that record---all I'm saying is that this vid left me disappointed.
oh and about your conclusion --looks like its wrong-- no offense meant to you though :)
smile be happy - Grant
izmirlig 2 months ago
@izmirlig you're a cuntlick.
MegaHellochicken 2 months ago
@MegaHellochicken
Granted the most of the tune is played 'straight' and that is not what I was talking about--in fact my comment was highlighting this very point--but Hamiett's solo from pretty much from 5:11 onward is free (c.f. screeching and generally not playing the changes at all)---so yeah--I love Mingus --
izmirlig 2 months ago
the bari player was set to take an outta sight solo but everyone got too rambunctious so he ended up playing free. If you listen to the first few bars of his under mic'd solo you will come to the same conclusion.
izmirlig 6 months ago
@izmirlig I don't think so! I'd seen Bluett live on 2 occasions with Mingusand his style was the same. He blew his mind out on that Bari all the time. He was in total control in this session, just like the rest of the band. Mingus never let his crew get lost. I saw him 5 times, he was always in control.
schnefsky 4 months ago
@izmirlig Um... Hamiett just took an "outta sight solo". And the piano player is playing the harmonies Mingus wrote under his solo pretty much the whole solo, so it's really not free. I've come to the conclusion that you rambunctiously don't know what you're posting about.
MegaHellochicken 2 months ago
feels and sounds so right
acarouselofantics 6 months ago
i love this tune one of Mingus' best,right up there with 'devil woman','the man who never sleeps','haitian fight song' ',jelly roll soul' and 'better get it in your soul', and of course many others.
cidedwards31a 8 months ago
I heard this on the radio, before which I didn't know who Charles Mingus was. I've listened through half a dozen of his songs just to find this one and I'd do it all again.
WandererKami 10 months ago
AWESOME Migus,simply AWESOME!!!!
66josiah 11 months ago
this is what i call music. excellent jam :)
johny016 11 months ago
Bluiet!!! If your a bari player and like "3rd stream", "Avante Guarde" check his Baritone Saxophone Nation releases.
And Mingus...a string bass heavy weight. And composer with a heart after Ellington.
Wow! Great clip!
TheGrover1968 1 year ago
This is my all time favorite track but i like the early more piano based version lot more :)
LuGiah 1 year ago
many great musicians, including Mingus and Monk, were ''plagued by mental illness' - because they were just too fucking great to deal with a world of mental midgets.
vectortemple 1 year ago
it is interesting that in the late 60's and 70's Mingus loosened up his approach - I suppose in response to the changing scene and the new musicians - played a lot more pulsing, floating, syncopated lines - moved away from the hard driving walking lines that so dominated his early stuff. You can hear those other elements sometimes in his early work but in cuts like this it's a different Mingus - of course his bass had to take on a different role the way the new guys were playing.
vectortemple 1 year ago
3:18 ... "when YOU'RE smilin, the whole world smiles with you"
vectortemple 1 year ago
Great blowing session on one of my favorite Mingus TUNES. Thanks!
vectortemple 1 year ago
Joe Gardner ,Trumpet ,from Memphis ,TN died in New York City,about 6 or 7 years ago. .RIP Little Joe G"
jamlear 1 year ago
hamiet bluiett is the shit. especially in the video "flowers for my lady" where he does that entire solo 2 octaves higher than the normal range of the bari sax
vaineminaru 2 years ago 2
@vaineminaru point of wiew i love im
TheGaetano62 2 years ago
Thank you for your comment. I knew John briefly in NYC in early 70s. What was your group and where did you play?
fayeapple 2 years ago
We were just a dance/wedding band playing at the local spots around New Paltz, NY where I live. Johnny didn't have a car, so he would usually get a ride to New Paltz and I would drive him home to Newburgh after the gig, or I'd take him back in time for church, where he played organ in his mother's choir. This was early 60's. Johnny had a notebook of his compositions and I have been trying to find out if it may have survived. He wrote great stuff, and it should be published!
tccotton 2 years ago
dang at 4:45 i thought that was a trumpet then i saw it was a bari sax and was like damn!!!! great song never the less
99wc99owns99 2 years ago
Long Live Roy Brooks!!! Unsung heavyweight!! True Majestic!!!
firetape 2 years ago
Jacofan12609, that other drummer is a great drummer named Roy Brooks. I highly recomend an album he put out called the "Free Slave", it's an excellent album, and he was a part of Max Roache's percussion ensamble called M Boom. He has a sad story, He had been plagued by mental illness for years, and was put in prision instead of being treated, and was released in 2002, but died not long after.
md770 2 years ago
This is MUSIC ! I love Charles Mingus, his compositions, his bass playing, his arrangements. This group is excellent, although I am sentimentally linked to the version played with Eric Dolphy, Jacki Biard, Danny Richmond etc.
squanck 2 years ago
John Foster is my uncle. He passed away in 1980 when I was very young. Thank you so much for posting this.
jeryleigh 2 years ago
I've been looking for someone who know the circumstances around his death, and whether his composition notebook survived. Do you know?
tccotton 2 years ago
Sorry Tom I have no idea. We are still trying to reconnect with that side of my family. I really wish I knew.
jeryleigh 2 years ago
How did you find out that he died in 1980?
tccotton 2 years ago
@tccotton one fo his classmates told me via email.. I don't have a death certificate or anything.
jeryleigh 1 year ago
BRILLIANT music. I love Hamiet's sax playing.
LGLG69 2 years ago
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LGLG69 2 years ago
..I'll stay right here at Peggy's Blue Skylight as if it is Birdland and the smoke is thick and I am ever young. Thanks Astrotype...and I am wired waiting for my black coffee.
BebopAuthor 2 years ago
I had to come back. I almost feel like crying for the wonder of how nostalgic I feel with this "straight ahead no chaser" attack, grabbing my like the hook of lightening and ratcheting me to that place where the air is toxic, lethal and that trumpet playing is akin to Dizzy stretching and daring us to go to the moon with him...
BebopAuthor 2 years ago
This is about magic. As someone whose middle name is Margaret and growing up to "Peg of My Heart", "Peggy's Blue Skylight" set my heart afire with all that intense Young Blood fire that soared all over the face of my bebop soul.
BebopAuthor 2 years ago
I think that this is the only video I've seen of Mingus performing with a drummer other than Dannie Richmond.
jacofan12609 2 years ago
Just the SOUND of Mingus' Bass.
lljtam1960 2 years ago
Hamiet is great, but the best here is Roy Brooks--what an incredible drum solo!
kingpleasure 3 years ago 6
¡Que tempo! Me encanta el lirismo del trompetista Joe Gardner, el saxo Hamiet Bluiett nos da una colosal lección de libertad, el maestro Mingus alimenta los fogones de la máquina de jazz.
acuareladedios 3 years ago
Muy resañable el lirismo del trompetista Joe Gardner y la impresionante lección de libertad del saxo John Foster, por supuesto el maestro Mingus alimentando los fogones de la máquina de jazz.
acuareladedios 3 years ago
simply wonderful playing! I love the description that kingpleasure gives. I was smiling and nodding my head the entire time!
jazzaheadandbehind 3 years ago
first time ive seen mingus with without dannie richmond, its like dizzy without bird, it feels weird
boogster123321 3 years ago
I'm not sure if I like when this song is taken at such a fast tempo. The horn lines tend to get blurry and less articulate.
richardsull119 3 years ago
Didn't Dannie Richmond also play with the Mark-Almond band around this time too?
MoGreensEye 3 years ago
Extraordinary. Does anyone know if John Foster III is still playing?
fayeapple 3 years ago
Extraordinary. Does anyone know if the pianist John Foster III is still alive?
I knew him in the early 70s when he played at the Vanguard.
fayeapple 3 years ago
Hi, I knew Johnny in the early '60s when he played in my group near New Paltz, NY. I believe he died very young of a heart attack - probably not long after this 1972 session with Mingus. Johnny had some notebooks of his music that I have been trying to locate for years. Do you know anything about his compositions?
tccotton 3 years ago
YES!! this video has made my day. Bluiett is the man on bari.
barisaxFREEJAZZ 3 years ago 3
YES!! this video has made my day. Bluiett is the man on bari.
barisaxFREEJAZZ 3 years ago 2
I think Danny Richmond was playing with John Mayall during this period. Mingus had this group for a good while, I saw them in Boston at the Jazz Workshop and they were killing. Too bad they didn't record...
nedroom 3 years ago 2
Where's Danny?!
joebassplayer 3 years ago
this is !!!! really god !!!!
xangel70 3 years ago
Bluiett blowing the sh*t out of it. Go, man, go!
postmeback 3 years ago 4
Amazing shots of Roy! Detroit in the house!
He was one of the greatest drummers of the 60s.
WITHOUT A DOUBT!
szumo1982 3 years ago 4
Definitely an up night for Mingus during the 1970's.
cidedwards31a 3 years ago
This is what you call an entire group Kicking Ass and Taking No Prisoners on each solo and as an ensemble. The MoFo just starts out fast and then just builds and builds in intensity until Roy Brooks killer ending. Joder!! John Foster is amazing and Bluett blows the Bari like it was a mutant tenor....focking Incredible. What chops these guys had!! Thank you Thank you a million times over.
kingpleasure 3 years ago 12
@kingpleasure - Mingus never took any prisoners - he always went for the jugular LOL...
vectortemple 1 year ago
@kingpleasure - it is interesting that in the late 60's and 70's Mingus loosened up his approach - I suppose in response to the changing scene and the new musicians - put a lot more focus on pulse and floating, syncopated lines. You can hear those elements on occasion in his earlier work but in cuts like this it's a different Mingus entirely - but still unique in his power and COMMANDING playing.
vectortemple 1 year ago
what always amazed me about Mingus - whether live or here on youTube, is his complete presence of mind and ability to lead no matter how hot and heavy and intense the session - he could be deep in the crucible of jazz creation, but he's cool and watching everything and leading the band and the gig while also being in tbe thick of the music and leading with the bass. He was such a pro and such a virtuoso he played almost by reflex music that other musicians could never even approach..
vectortemple 1 year ago
holy shit, now thats avant garde bari playing. damn, just amazing!
sentinelsaxplyr4 3 years ago 3
Some people mention Copland
Kostenbaat 4 years ago
Great video!
2sweetnsaxy 4 years ago
This was amazing and I feel fortunate to have actually been able to see this.
KenMiyake 4 years ago
Intense
mackgrout 4 years ago