Holy shit 2k a month?? I just go into a hospital and get healthy for free!! Why the FUCK are Americans paying for this shit!! Get free health care!! We rely on our Government to take care of us, that's why we have a government, we rely on our government to provide free education, we pay them to do it through our taxes, otherwise why are you paying taxes, to fund some fucking war? Or would you rather have free healthcare? Good education, and a good economy? or war. Americas choice.
what about the presidents job? I bet you get fuckin medical insurance you prick. YOu will soon hang from the tree in the white house lawn for being a traitor and a scoundrel, Listen to this coon blaming everyone but himself for the spot they are in, Serves the yanks right for voting for a dmn nigger.
@DeutscheKreuze Ihr ist ein poposchiedel, his facts and past are all over the internet shiezkoff , take a look ya racist fuck!! Grow up and get with the rest of the planet ya fuckin 40's throw back Nazi wanna be!!
He apes whatever his jew handlers tell him to do and say, This is why he must hide his true identity or past, Nobody who is anybody can say they know him from his college days or before, Where did this nigger come from? This will be his last term in office, as soon the damn country will be at war and broke from his monkeyshines.
The comment sections on Obama videos speaks volumes about how Americans (and I say this as an American), are the stupidest people on Earth. Americans have two parts of their brain, the "call people names" hemisphere, and the rest is devoted to "alcoholism" -lol.
obama has no clue what he's blabbing about.. yak yak yak and nothing said !1 oh daddy i cant take hearing you .. oh daddy , i got a boo boo , will you pass a law so i dont get no more boo boo's !!
If somebody is born with an illness or a disability in the states and he comes from a middle class family and no insurance company will insure him what happens?
ok guys someone tell me PLEASE, why the hell do you not want universal health care... it can only be good, at least thats the way i see it... sum1 please tell me
OK look, if u don't like the bill, then fine, but don't hate it for reasons that don't exist. its not socialist, its not Nazi like, those are obviously political slander that republican mouth pieces created to trick stupid or uneducated American people. and i did read the bill and i don't see why any "conservative" would disagree with it.
@MegaLink117 High Premiums and taxes coming soon to pay for this Health Care Bill! Open your wallet and hand over your money! Have your papers ready to show the IRS!
@MegaLink117 and not even 2 full months of its passing the CBO comes out and says o here is another 200billion dollars we missed to add in the cost of it.....they cant run social security right, they cant run medicare right, shit they cant even manage their own taxes now you want them to manage your healthcare?
Good at gardenin'? Expand. Be some share-croppuh' o' farmer. Ah be baaad... Get yo' puh'mits and offa' yo'self as some bonded security guard. Like t'swim, roll fast, sail, fly, surf, o' parachute? den offa' yo' 'espuh'ience as an head homeboy o' yo' boat fo' recreashunal rent. Man! Only been some sheet-pushin' desk-jockey fo' de past few decades? Den offa' to eyeball and process guv'ment grant fo'ms fo' churches and charities
If you read it and still approve then you did not understand any of it and have absolutly no sence of history or your just lazy fucks wanting free shit
For all you people still choking on obamas sack PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND, This bill is the wrong bill if you do not believe that then you have not used that little shunk of fat between your ears and those beady little greedy eyes of yours to read that 1939 germany type LAW. Do yourself a favor and go read this new LAW that you will be forced to live by.
@klutrusty not really because as more things happen more apparent it becomes, now we are losing our miranda rights in the name of terrorism? ROFL "Tyranny and oppression will only come to this land in the guise of a foriegn enemy" John Adams. Go read s 3081 it gets even better,
@boxingboycow what does that have to do with health care? there're millions of americans who don't have health insurance, what's so bad about giving them some?
@klutrusty if you study what has happened in other countries. Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, and many others. See what all took place before they were taken over and radically changed. you see our president and democrats did not care if the bill was right for the people only so long as it passed.
@klutrusty and also why is it my job to take care of lazy people? I work for me not for them. I am so sick and fucking tired of people saying o why is it such a bad thing...GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO BETTER YOURSELF STOP MAKING PEOPLE LIKE ME CARRY YOU!!!
@boxingboycow Are you going to say that to kids who can't get healthcare because no matter how hard their parents try, AND I SAY TRY, they just can't make the cut? Didn't Jesus say if you have two shirts take one and give it to the poor?
@iselldummysmacks but there is the thing dipshit, jesus said take one and GIVE it to the poor. He did not say have it confiscated to give it to people who would rather live on welfare. You make it seem like everyone out there works hard and does everything they can to better their situation, bud hate to tell you you're DEAD WRONG!!
@boxingboycow Lets keep this debate civil. Namecalling indicates immaturity. You make it seem like everyone out there works hard and does everything they can to better their situation, bud hate to tell you you're DEAD WRONG!! I can't speak on behalf of people who are too lazy to get a job. But I can say that people who make and honest day of work, need a helping hand.
@iselldummysmacks Then if it is so that people really need a helping hand instead of going out and bettering their own posititon and tyhey have to rely on others for that hand then lets make it a usefull hand. I WOULD have much rather paid for someone to go to college and better their lives than for healthcare. See the difference "create debt forcefully, or create a better tax payer....hmmmm
@boxingboycow College in many cases can yield to a higher income, but not always. College fees can and should be eased, but I don't want College to be paid for in full by other people. Because I go to College everyday, and seeing that I'm 3 semesters from graduation, there are usually plenty of fools that don't go to class and waste both time and money that could be used on more deserving students. Besides paying for that out of your own pocket builds character and appreciation.
@boxingboycow You can live a successful life without College. My parents are a true testament to that. However, none of us can live without proper Healthcare. Forget common colds. When I was sick with severe bronchitis, when my mom was diagnosed with dialated cardio myapathy, when both of my grandparents were diagnosed with cancer, we had our healthcare to take care of us. Even then, its not sufficent for everything. My grandparents are swimming in debt in cancer medicine, despite full coverage.
@boxingboycow what does that have to do with health care? there're millions of americans who don't have health insurance, what's so bad about giving them some?
@klutrusty I hope you like all the higher taxes that come with giving all americans some health insurance. Also can you explain to me why it is ok to force American to provide documentation of Health Care Insurance, but it is not ok to ask them for domumentation to see if they are in this country illegally? And what countries can I just walk into without papers that will not just throw me in jail? I would like to know.
@Aprilmax010 wouldnt you appreciate it if one day you get really sick and still don't have to pay much to get better, thanks to all your fellow citizens paying for national health insurance? You need to get the spirit of this bill: it's about people helping each other, no more no less. If you really like your country that much why shouldn't you help other americans who really need it? And trust me, I think illegal immigrants are sufficiently being taken care of in the states...
@klutrusty The spirt of this bill is give America more entitlements that we can't pay for until we are in the same spot as Greece. Should I dig out my Greek flag & wave it around? 115 billion more dollars over 10 years than the CBO first said & 400 pages have not even been figured at a cost yet. Everyone's premium goes up. Employers will dump us on the gov plan. Shortage of Doctors? Obama will make all the illegals legal so they can get health care & vote for him. Sounds wonderful!
@Aprilmax010 Thats the difference between your War and our Health Care plan. Its paid for. In fact it cuts the deficit by 1.2 trillion in the next ten years, and does this by eliminating wasteful spending and cuts down overfunded programs that do nothing. If nothing was done, MEDICARE and MEDICAID would litterally bankrupt this country.
This is old news! Breaking news a couple of weeks ago. CBO figures Health Care Cost $115 billion over 10 years plus 400 pages of costs yet to be determined. Premiums will go up for everyone!
So much for the lie that Obama told, this will cut the deficit by 1.2 trillion over the next ten years.
@Aprilmax010 What would of happened if nothing was done to modify medicare and medicaid, like repubicans wanted? The federal government would of gone bankrupt, because medicare and medicaid is virtually unsestainable. You can't cut the two programs because too many people depend on it. So what do you do?
@iselldummysmacks First of all the republicans want Healthcare reform, but not the healthcare bill that was passed. The Federal Government is going bankrupt. You would noticed the amount of spending is unsubstainable if you had viewed sites about the deficit or the economy. Congress and the president need to make cuts & reforms. But this congress and this president will not, so we all go bankrupt kinda of like Greece is doing.
@Aprilmax010 Lets be clear. Not a taxcut or tax credit for families alone. I'm talking about a change or improvement on the already existing system of care that we have. Cuts have already been made and are already being made. Cuts into medicare and medicaid will be implemented later on. Programs and provisions that don't work are being cut. 20 Billion in cuts have been made so far to our wasteful healthcare system. Read the newspaper.
@iselldummysmacks They only cuts that can possible be made to medicare / medicade are the ones having to do with Dr Emanuel's Complete Live Chart. And you won't be liking those cuts. As they reduse care and encourage end of life. Doctor's reimsursments can not be cut any further and else the doctors will not work for that redused pay.
@Aprilmax010 The cuts that are being talked about right now go beyond the Complete Live Chart. "As they reduse care and encourage end of life." Explain that sentence for me. You seem to make many statements with little explanation. Doctor's reimbursement is going to be affected no doubt. In many cases, they will make their money on the quality of care rather than how much care was administered. Where their profits are cut, others wil form.
@iselldummysmacks your war? LOL this plan is not paid for jackass. thats why it does not start to take action until 2014 do you not read? They will be taxing us for 3 years to build a pool of money to help cover the starting costs of this illegal legislation. If it cuts medicare/medicaid then explain how come an added 15 million americans are being allowed in to the medicaid pool due to this law?
@boxingboycow Again, lets keep this debate civil. I've little time for 31 year olds who can't act their age when they talk to people. This plan doesn't start till 2014 because everything has to change. contracts have to be rewritten, and pieces of this bill have to be eased in in stages, not all at once. It takes time. What are they taxing you to pay for this bill? And what have you done to make healthcare available to those who can't afford it?
@iselldummysmacks it's not my job to make anything more available to other "FREE" people. You never heard or lived by "we reap what we sow"? Bust your ass dig deep take a chance and things happen. sit back and wait for someone else to do it for you and you are nothing but a drain on society. As for the taxes I will be paying. Only true way to know that for sure is when I do my tax return next year.
@boxingboycow Who are you to judge those that make honest work and still can't raise the bar? You know nothing of their situations, nor do you know if they can help their situations. Some people have had deaths in their family and had no life insurance. That person may of been the bread earner. People may of been laid off, and are struggling to find new jobs to make the status quo. How can you judge righteously when you can't even feign your own ignorance?
@boxingboycow This healthcare reform for the last time IS NOT FREE! Free healthcare is welfare. This is not welfare. People will still have to pay premiums as ordered by law. I find it amazing that you nor anyone else who makes less than 250,000 a year can't even tell me what taxes of theirs went up. Not even you. Common sense is knocking on your door and they want their refund.
@boxingboycow Those taxcuts given to the rich, and are still being given to the rich, are not paid for. Your quest to find the imaginary weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is not paid for. Your expansion of medicare by 314 billion is not paid for. Clinton left office with a balanced budget for three years, and a surplus. Bush left our country in a economic mess that the current administration is trying to clean up.
@iselldummysmacks The current administration does not know how to clean anything as demistrated by the mess in the Gulf. Obama pointed fingers in the Gulf and at Bush for the fist year and 1/2 and it looks like he will continue. Obama did not even try to come out and give a press conference until it looked like the oil had stopped and then he was wrong about that. Even Carville is taking shots at him.
@Aprilmax010 Now if you read my previous ouline on how this plan is being paid for, you would understand. Its funny how you emphasize sympathy on these insurance companies going out of business(if it ever happens) when you could care less about the automotive industry staying in business. And as for this Gulf spill, how can you clean this mess up when we don't even have existing technology to plug up the leak?
@Aprilmax010 Wasn't these contingency scenarios supposed to be addressed before offshore drilling could be approved? Wern't there supposed to be emergency shut off valves on these oil rigs in case of a leak? Nobody seems to know quite how to clean this mess up. And Obama has stated that he takes responsibility for this effort. and said all this before Top Kill began. I guess you missed that press conference.
@Aprilmax010 Carville blasted the president not taking control of this. Trusting BP to do its job when it tried hard to cut corners. I'm suprised the media never covered the funerals of the 11 oil workers like they did the miners.
@Aprilmax010 Carville is furious not onver what the president is doing. He's furious because the president is not doing enough. Hell it was an entire week before Bush sent help down to New Orleans. There were bodies floating in the water on tv before he sent any help to New Orleans. The president came out and said that BP is paying for this spill the moment the fault was determined to be BP's.
@iselldummysmacks Katrina - Orignally the state did not ask for help. I did take 2 days for National Guard troops to get there. And there was some mismanagement. Obama has been in charge 40 days and it appears that nothing has occured except studies and him trying to locate equipment to do something. The governor has been asking to put his own plan into action for 2 weeks now without any approval. Should we wait until everything is covered in oil before we start to cleanup?
@Aprilmax010 Was it necessary for Lousisiana to have to ask for help? Did New York City have to ask for help? Did Haiti have to ask for help? Thats a load of crap and I'm puzzled you would even try and feed that to me. Jindal has ideas and I believe that those ideas need to be put into play here. Nothing seems to be working to plug up this leak 5 miles below sea level. Thats why Obama is conducting tests. If you have a better idea to seal this leak, we're on all ears.
@iselldummysmacks Yes it was necessary of Louisianna to ask for help, because they are not getting any. Hello? When is Obama going to help Jindal after everything is covered with oil? The only test Obama is conducting is what should I do next on my vacation. The experts know how to seal the oil leak and they will do it. It is Obama's job to cleanup and protect our environment.
@Aprilmax010 Contrary to popular belief, we have no contingency plan to deal with offshore oil spills like such that is the example. Military establishes the risks and countermeasures to deal with those risks before entering combat. That was never done before offshore leases were granted to these oil companies. So right now, no one on this planet knows how to fix this problem. So right now you are witnessing stuff being thrown at the wall to see what will stick.
@iselldummysmacks It is the government''s job to have a contingency plan to deal with offshore oil spills. Your statement only proves Obama incompitance. Combat? No one knows? This is not the first leak! They cleaned up Alaska. Other countries have cleaned up oil spills. It is just no one in the Obama administration is prepared or knows. Even Jindal has an idea. Obama = Clueless
@Aprilmax010 Slowly but surely, BP is starting to wish this problem would just go away. In the words of Giovanni Ribisi from Avatar and I think he said it best, "theres one thing shareholders hate more than bad press and thats a bad quaterly statement." Their stocks are taking a savage beating right now, and shareholders are suing the corporation. This disaster could potentially do one of two things, destroy BP or have other companies take over BP.
@iselldummysmacks Of course this is BP fault. Obama is falling to do his job for 41 days now. He needs get back to work and read his job discription again, because he is a failure at it so far.
@iselldummysmacks Those tax cuts are over because you president deemed it to happen to cover for his out landish spending. Dont try to talk about something when it is very apparent you do not educate yourself to the facts. You are beginning to get on my nerves. Lets not get into the Bush Obama thing because you have no clue what you're talking about
@boxingboycow Obama never eliminated the Bush tax cuts. He let them expire and never renewed them. And they are still not paid for. The war against a country who never attacked us, which the mission was first to find WMDs, which tranformed into dethrowning a dictator, is not paid for. What makes you think I care about your nerves? You've already called me ignorant fuck I don't know how many times, when I've treated you in a civil manner all this time.
@boxingboycow Now specifically, which of your taxes are being raised to pay for this healthcare bill? Which ones specifically? Do you make more than 250,000 a year? If not you probably got a taxcut. The core components of this bill, including a mandate for coverage was masterminded by Bob Dole who proposed this back in 1993. Mitt romney signed this mandate into law back when he was governor of Massachussetts.
@iselldummysmacks Again the $250,000 lie. It does not matter what RINOS Bob Dole and Mitt Romney did of didn't do. Massachussetts voted this in as a state as states are entitled to do. The Federal Government is not. This Health care bill is illegal and bad for America.
@Aprilmax010 It does matter because what they proposed was passed on a massive scale. It does matter. And if its unconstitutional in the country, its unconstitutional in the state. Hence why segregation in the states was declared unconstitutional. And if its a lie, what taxes of yours are expected to go up? And have they gone up? Fear and smear. Fear and smear. Thats Republican pragmatism for you.
@boxingboycow Teddy Roosevelt was the first president to push for comprehensive health reform. And he was a Republican. Who supported a Progressive income tax. I don't put out this information because it sounds good, nor because its friendly to my ideas. Its history. Does it piss you off to hear me disagree with you? Well what are you going to do about it? Curse some more? The last time I was intimidated like that was when my sandwitch was too hot.
@boxingboycow Corporations and industries involved in the business of healthcare will be taxed to pay for this. They make billions upon billions in profits as it is. People who make more than 250,000 will have their taxes in Medicare part A increased to 2.35%. Plus dividends, intrest, bonuses for those individuals will also be taxed by 3.9%. "Cadillac" coverage plans will also be taxed. I doubt you're wealthy enough to fit in this bracket.
@iselldummysmacks Corporations and industries that are heavily taxed will either A -Go out of business or B-move to a more friendly to do business country. More unemployment here in the US. We will all be paying for the Healthbill not just those over $250,000. (Did you notice they are already pushing Cap & Trade and VAT?) Less businesses, more unemployment, more people on government insurance, less people to pay in. Flawed Plan
@Aprilmax010 And I thought we covered these bases before on Cap and Trade. You're not going to be taxed for the Caps, nor for this Healthcare reform. Unless you make more than $250,000. Now if your taxes are being raised, tell me which ones are being raised? You never did specify. Don't just tell me your taxes are going up, be sepcific on what taxes OF YOURS are going up.
@iselldummysmacks We have covered Cap and Trade,VAT, and Health Care. only one of us doesn't know what they are talking about. Everybody is going to be paying higher taxes, unless they are so low income that they normally don't pay taxes. All taxes are going up.
@Aprilmax010 You're forgetting one thing. You have not specified which of OUR taxes are going up. You cry about our taxes going up, yet you never tell me which ones are going up. But you are right about one thing. One of us here doesn't know what they are talking about.
@Aprilmax010 We've covered all of these areas of discussion. You have all but made up your mind on what you think about the president, the congress, and all that they are doing. Theres not much I can do about that. But it should be noted I have heard nothing but pecimism and neegativity from you. So it leads me to think that no matter what they do, you'll never be satisfied. Well Jesus did say that you can't serve two masters.
@iselldummysmacks Yes we have covered all these areas and you continue to believe every word that Obama says is true, which most have already been proven false. You refuse to go to any website to verify information that states other wise. But since you have brought Jesus into this let me direct you to a Utube video were Obama talks about the Biible: Utube: Obama Mocking the Bible. Obama is not a Christian.
@Aprilmax010 Who said that? You said that. An individual that believes everything the president says is truth is what we call a "Yes Man". If I may be so bold yet again, the only information you choose to pay attention to is the negative such. So Obama is not a christian now? What next? You'll tell me he's the antichrist? When was not being a christian a bad thing in any case? Look up the definition Conspiracy Theory, and you'll find your name next to Limbaugh's.
@Aprilmax010 There are some Conservatives that are so radical that they are attempting to rewrite the Bible, because words and even whole passages have in their minds, been deemed "too liberal". Obama not being a christian is conspiracy, where this is fact. Andy Schlafly, look up his name. In the end here, we have to look at each other and decide where we stand on all of these issues. You look at it from one aspect, and I look at it another. We can both say that we are right on what we believe.
@iselldummysmacks I gave you the name of the video to look at. You refuse to look at any information that I give you. You have looked at 527 channels since 2006? I do not know and am not responsible for anyone rewriting the Bible. I'm surprised you found any news as your channel views in the last 4 years are very few. I do have my views, but I can honestly say that I am well informed on many current issues and do look up information.
@Aprilmax010 I'm glad to see that you have a unquenching interest in my Youtube page. I looked at all of your videos. And I found more or less that those videos were filled with opinions and assertions that left me with more questions than answers. Never did I put in responsibility of their actions. I only said that it was a fact. In regards to my channel views, I actually get my info from reliable sources...and not from Youtube.
@iselldummysmacks You may have not noticed, but this video has the president speaking. You can also get videos the president and congressmen speaking as well. So you get the facts straight from the person who said it. Some of the links that you sent me were from some left leaning publications. I would think watching a video of what someone actually said would be more reliable.
@Aprilmax010 "You refuse to look at any information that I give you." Wern't you the one who told me that you didn't need an article when I provided you one?
@Aprilmax010 How was the article out of date? It was on why Republicans oppose healthcare reform, which stated far more than the obvious. The information stated was centralized based on political viewpoints that go back as far as the 1970s. More than that, it states the outcomes of previous battles over reform and draws conclusions that overlap each other. Their message of opposing reform has always been the same. But if you want a more centralized article, I'll bring you one.
@iselldummysmacks You want to send me another article telling me what the republican issues are with government health care since the 1970's? Why? I could send you an article on Woodrow Wilson's thoughts, but why? I have been a republican for over 35 years. I don't need a democrat reaching republican ideas back in time and drawing the wrong conclusions. I am a republican, I know what republicans think.
@Aprilmax010 There are reasons for everything. And this article had a big point to it. One that you have completely ignored or it sliped your mind. You don't care to know, so I won't bother explaining it to you. You wanted an aritcle that was for all intensive purposes an independent one? You got it. Now you're crying because I sent you the article? Will you ever be satisfied? Sometimes being wrong is the only way you learn something. Keep that in mind.
@iselldummysmacks This is a history lesson & only tells the positve affect of Obama's plan and not the negative. You only have one side of the argruement here as it includes some left leaning republicans went along with socialist health care in the past. But that is not the the republican position in recent years, the article is deceptive about what the GOP position is today and what the negatives H/C bill affects are.
@Aprilmax010 Does it have only that of which you don't want to hear? Each fact and statement is numbered. Those numbers lead to active sources. Most of the articles you sent me were from Fox News. You find Republicans that put up similar proposals and you call it left leaning? I thought you were the one accusing me of twisting things. All I did was show you history. But even then, you still missed the bigger point I was pointing out.
@iselldummysmacks Not it does not have to do with what I don't want to hear. Tell me the current events (last 2 years). I don't want to hear about what someone wanted 30 years ago that is dead and gone. What is the point I am missing? This article praise Obama Care and doesn't mention any problems that have already been found with it. So what is the point? I would love to know.
@Aprilmax010 Again just because the Halocaust happened around the end of the 1930s, does it make the issue any less relevant? First your arguement was healthcare reform was bad. Then it was about healthcare reform being unconstitutional. Then it was about the healthcare bill being completely fabricated by democrats. Then it was about republicans being shut out of negotiations. Then it was about YOUR taxes going up.
@Aprilmax010 Then it was about some Republicans being left leaning when they pushed for the same concept. Will it be more of the same hit and miss tactitcs from you? If I told you that this healthcare reform was perfect, I would be an idiot. But you probably think I'm an idiot already. But theres a fundamental message to the timeline which was outlined in the article. Let me explain.
@Aprilmax010 The article remains relevant, not only because it shows the progress of the cause over the century, but because the last major political shift of fundamentals occured during Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. Republican ideas became Democratic ideas and vice versa. There has not been a flip shift of this magnitude since that time, even to today. Since then, political ideology for the two parties has remained for the most part unaltered. Thus the article provided retains its relevance.
@Aprilmax010 Second, the article shows that the issues that were brought up by Teddy are not far from the issues of today. The financial problems of the public as well as the country have been overwhelmingly associated with medical related expenses. And out of control medical costs reportedly have only played a factor in the US.
@Aprilmax010 Also similar proposals of the solution to provide universal coverage in America has been repeatedly proposed by both parties. Over a period of a century. Thats a long time. Most people don't live that long. If its so bad, why do many other countries provide it? If its unconstitutional, why would politicans violate their sworn oaths to defend the Constitution to promote it?
@iselldummysmacks That is a good questions, why would politicans voilate their sworn oath to defend the Constitution to promate the Health Care Bill? Possible answers: A. It fits into their socialist agenda. B: They haven't read the Constitiution C: They are fundimentally transforming America. D. All the above.
@Aprilmax010 Oh did I mention you also argued that providing healthcare to people who can't afford it is welfare? And that it was giving free coverage to uninsured Americans? And you argued that this article praised Obamacare. I'm starting to think that the only time you accept information and examples available are only for the expressed purpose of agreeing with them.
@iselldummysmacks I am starting you think you have ADD. Did you not see my post below asking the question about why Obama is supporting an unconstitional law? When you address that question we will go on to the next question.
@Aprilmax010 When was this unconstitutional? Where does it state this formality in the Constitution? If you can show me where it says it. Prove me wrong....for once.
@iselldummysmacks All powers not granted to the fed are reserved for the states. Congress cannot so simply avoid the consitiutional limits on its power. Taxation can favor one industry of course of action over another, but a tax that falls exclusively on anyone whi is uninsured is a penalty beyond Congress's authority. Online WSJ.com/article/sb100001424052970204518504574416623109362480.html
@Aprilmax010 I've caught a dead link to your website so I had to search for it. I've read the article. The individual mandate, which amends the Internal Revenue Code, is not actually a mandate at all. It is a tax. It gives people a choice: they can buy health insurance or they can pay a tax roughly equal to the cost of health insurance, which is used to subsidize the government’s health care program and families who wish to purchase health insurance.
@iselldummysmacks This is a mandate. If is wasn't a mandate I wouldn't have to buy health inusrance or a pay a fine. This is not the general walfare. It is health care insurance. General welfare would be like police, and fire dept.
@Aprilmax010 But, Congress has never before mandated that a citizen enter into an economic transaction with a private company, so there can be no judicial precedent for such a law. At the same time, Congress unquestionably has the power to tax for the general welfare and regulate activity that affects interstate commerce, and it should be beyond dispute that health care (as well as the failure to have it) affects the national economy.
@Aprilmax010 People are exempt from the tax if they get health insurance through their employer or through Medicare, are poor, are dependents, are in the military, live overseas, or have a religious objection.
@iselldummysmacks You need to quit resighting the talking points and look at the reality. It is going to cost our employers to much to pay for health care. They are going to dump as all on the government plan. The government will not be able to afford our health care either. They will deny coverage encourage Dr Emanuel's complete live chart. (Which I have mentioned 3 times and you have never looked at or responded to) Just keep with the talking points they are much safter for you.
@Aprilmax010 I just showed you not only what provisions were written in the bill that was signed into law, but also facts written in the Constitution on the government's role in regulating interstate commerce, including factions that affect the economy negatively.
@Aprilmax010 Its talk like that I'd expect from retards who don't know any better. "Why would politicans voilate their sworn oath to defend the Constitution to promate the Health Care Bill? Possible answers: A. It fits into their socialist agenda. B: They haven't read the Constitiution C: They are fundimentally transforming America. D. All the above" If you claim to be so smart, why would you say something dumb like that?
@Aprilmax010 "The onlly thing that you have shown me is a history leson of what the repulblican's think and Obama talking points." When you have nothing else to fight with, you resort to this. Hate and contempt. Fear and smear. Party of NO. When you have people that step up to the plate and face the issues of society, they're labled socialists, marxists, communists. Yet 95% can't even give a educated definition of those three words.
@iselldummysmacks This is a site that people blog their opions. At least they are not following the offical democrat opinion. The courts will decide if this is legal as over 20 states have filed suit. Virginia is one of the states that passed a law exempting its self. I believe other states have also exempted themselves. This H/C Bill is up in the air for many reasons. Just because you post it is constitutional doesn't make it so.
@Aprilmax010 I never said it was Constitutional, not for the reason being that I think it sounds good to say. You can dispute that if you want to. I provided you reasoning and articles with factual assertions. I'm not going to resort to platitudes when I have nothing else to defend myself with. When Republicans can't win it in the Congress, they run to the courts. They always do.
@iselldummysmacks When Obama can't win he points his finger, and blames Bush. I wonder how long it will take him to take action in the Gulf? Our country is on its own as Obama has formed a commettee and has called James Cameron to plug the oil from leaking. LOL!
@Aprilmax010 All and all, I can only show you why I support healthcare, civil rights, and other issues and show you why instead of my opinion. I'm not going to change your views no matter what I show you. But I can show you that I have very good reasons to believe what I believe, and not because someone told me thats its true. I don't like to think of myself as being gullible.
@iselldummysmacks You are looking at the facts as stated. I just don't think the facts add up to what they say. Did you ever once look up Dr Emanuel Complete Live Chart? How can they reduced Medicare Doctor reimbursment and still have doctors who will work for that wage? They will have to increase the cost of the program. It will be espensive. Try looking at all sides of this Law.
@Aprilmax010 If I told you this healthcare law was perfect, you'd think I was a bigger idiot than you probably already think I am. And you'd be justified. This law is not perfect. Work still needs to be done to improve on it. Medicare was far from what it is today in terms of functionality when it was enacted. So was all of our other government programs created to serve the public.
@Aprilmax010 Its overall effect on the public is still unknown, given that most of this law has not gone into effect yet. Me still being in college, will be able to stay on my parents insurance until age 26, saving me thousands in buying a separate policy. So already I can take care of other bills that need attention. At this point my health insurance always tries to cut my insurance every semester unless I present a full schedule to them. Soon that will be illegal.
@iselldummysmacks .. We need more real world situations like your's brought to lite.. People always fight about rhetoric , rarely do you see anyone comment with real life ammo..
@Aprilmax010 The only things that you have shown me are platitudes. Fear. Scare. Armageddon. What bad and horrible things will happen if Republicans don't get their way. I didn't even have to say Republicans came up with much of this healthcare reform, I showed it to you. Clear as day, black and white. And you called them left-leaning. Sour grapes thats all you have.
@Aprilmax010 I show you the bigger picture using rationality and practicality. I showed you what was written in the bill stating how people would be exempt from the healthcare law if they had their own insurance, are in the military, and so on and so fourth. Thats not what I said, that is the law! And all that you have to say is I jump from subject to subject, making up my own facts, resighting talking points?
@Aprilmax010 In short, Congress has the power to intervene in Interstate Commerce if a faction negatively affects the national economy. The national debt over a period of over half a century, maybe much longer, has linked 62% of all causes of bankruptcies to medical costs. There has been no war to date where the costs have steadily shifted the economy negatively in a linear pattern for over 50 years.
@Aprilmax010 So in short, the Iraq war and the Afgantistan war, if they can be called wars on paper given the last time we signed a war declaration was back in 1941, are immensely expensive, but the thing about the financial cost of wars are that they have an end point. The debt of the war is paid off over time upon its conclusion. The stream on debt coming from medical costs has not only never stopped, but the margin of debt has never shrank like that of wars. Its increased.
@iselldummysmacks I love how you jump from subject to subject and make up your own facts. Tell me how much did the war in 1941 cost? I really want to know.
@Aprilmax010 I know its hard to believe, but if you add the financial costs of every war and every battle we have ever been in as a nation, the money pit to pay off that debt eventually fills up. Our economy has been on a slow, very slow, but steady downward spiral due to healthcare costs. Money has fed this pit, and has never filled up. Ever.
@Aprilmax010 So in conclusion, based on the Constitutional interpretation, as well as independent data of numerous statistics over a period of a century, the ongoingly increasing, seemingly endless debt created by medical costs, is more costly than all of the wars and battles the nation has ever undertaken, combined.
@iselldummysmacks I provided you facts! History! People as far back as the 1920s saw what was ultimately going to come unless something was done to fix the issues with healthcare costs. Politicians on both sides! 62% of all bankruptcies are healthcare related.
@boxingboycow In return for the new taxes the healthcare companies will have to pay, they in return will be recieveing a new form of profit from the millions of new customers who will be paying for their own healthcare. If these individuals do not pay their premiums they will be fined. So its not like they are getting something for nothing.
@iselldummysmacks Many will choose to pay the fine. Insurance Companies that are forced to take people with ongoing illness will need to charge a higher premiums so everyones premiums will go up or insurance companies go out of business and everyone goes on the government plan as it is cheaper. Employers will dump employees on the government plan as it is cheaper. Democrat solution is single payer where everyone will wind up after time.
@Aprilmax010 A single payer plan would of been nice. So would a public option. You can thank Joe Liberman for getting rid of both ideas. There is no government plan of insurance, except what the military has and they love it. Congressman's healthcare will be offered to individuals at reduced price, not for free. We all have to pay something.
@iselldummysmacks I suppose you are dumb enough to agree that taxing our way out of the depression will work? Here is an idea educate yourself about why we are being forced to buy something on a federal level when that is illegal? I will gladly fight for your freedoms as well so dont be alarmed there are many more like me, go sit in your corner suck obamas nut sack and I will make sure you stay free!
@boxingboycow What is your idea of getting out of a depression? Have you ever done it before? Learn from somebody who has. Roosevelt pushed two different reforms through Congress called the First and Second New Deal in an effort to provide relief to the commonwealth. Many of the programs like the FDIC, SEC, Social Security, and the AAA came out of that. All mandated by the federal government.
@iselldummysmacks On that note "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! Please dont respond you're to stupid to talk with!!
@boxingboycow Internet is neutral, so I will respond to whoever I choose to. You don't like it? Too bad. Suddenly when I don't agree with you, I'm too stupid to talk to? You're the one who can't seem to act your age, given how you talk to people. You kiss your mom with that mouth? "The first requisite of a good citizen in this Republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his weight." - Teddy Roosevelt
@boxingboycow Did you read the bill? All of it? The same people who are claiming that this reform is horrible, never had a reform plan to begin with. The same people who crying about welfare, live by the same freedoms paid for by other people with service, dedication, and sometimes their lives. What do you have that you wern't already given? You need to check yourself at the door before you walk through it.
@iselldummysmacks Dont even try to talk about service son. 5 tours in Iraq and afghan. I have done my part. I have earned everything I own you ignorant fuck. My house, my job, my respect. I have never asked for help from anyone and have never sat back and waited for someone to give it to me. I TOOK WHAT I NEEDED BY HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION
@boxingboycow Mind who you call an "ignorant fuck". My father was a Marine for 10 years. 8 years active, 2 years reserve. I'm enlisting as soon as I graduate. He wants healthcare reform for those that need it the most. And I am no different. Is that wrong? So still I can say to you that it was others that paid for your freedom and asked nothing of you in return for their sacrifices. So again what do you have that were not already given?
@boxingboycow Iselldummysmacks changes age and background to fit the arguement. You can make no headway as the same arguements are repeated over and over.
@Aprilmax010 Its people like you Aprilmax010 that send private emails instead of making their arguements public for everyone to see. If you could care less about what I think why do you keep responding to my comments? Doesn't make much sense.
@boxingboycow I never saw people like you complaining about the massive debt that Bush was creating when he was in office. I never saw people like you complaining when he signed the first bailout into law. I never saw people like you complaining when he gave the oil companies billions in taxcuts. And you wait till a Democrat becomes president and suddenly spending matters? Honestly, you're as hypocritical as you are pragmatic.
@iselldummysmacks You are the hypocritic because you refuse to go to any deficit spending site or economy site and read the information. Just because we are republicans does not mean that we approved of Bush's spending. But it is quite clear that just because Obama is a democrat you approve of his spending. Obama is on hyper-drive to bankruptcy and you have both eyes closed.
@Aprilmax010 As a matter of a fact I have indeed read that information. You are the one who is hypocritical. Where was your outcry when Bush spent like he got a hold of his father's credit card? Where was your rallies? Where was your tea party movement? Where were your protests of out of control government spending? Where were your militia movements? Suddenly it matters big when Obama is elected? You are indeed hypocritical.
@iselldummysmacks LOL I was in washington with a sign in my hand bitching at my government the day they signed the patriot act. I was at war defending unwilling people from terror. I was killing the bad guys that make little girls like you squirm at night because you know face to face with one you would drop to your knees and beg to not die att ehir hands.
@boxingboycow You nothing about me apart from my responses to you, yet you claim to have a superiority over me. You need to back off and check yourself at the door before you walk through it. Other than the other clowns you're used to talking to, there are some people in this country that know the difference between being against the war and being against the troops. It would be best for you not to confuse the two.
@iselldummysmacks As for that massive debt that bush created lol again idiot you need to educate yourself. When bush took office the national debt was not balanced. ROFL at the stupid people who believe that. We had a 7 trillion dollar debt in America in 2000. 2008 it was 10.3 trillion. only one year of democrats and thei fuckups. 13 trillion...you do the math stop being stupid
@boxingboycow Where did you learn that? Thats not whats on record. Why would Alan Greenspan lower intrest rates during economically good times, against the wishes of the Republican controlled Congress to do so? Three and a half Years of balanced budgets with 236.2 Billion in a surplus. All under Clinton. Information came from the Non-Partisan Congretional Budget Office. Where did yours come from?
I don't know the complexities of the HC debate but something has already pass ed at this point and i'm not so sure it will do the job because the public option was not included in this bill. the only reason why I even comment on this issue is because of what i have seen of our congress. The fight is so terrible it make s even me embaris and I'm not even in the forefront on the issue. I thought we 're here to help one another a more perfect union but we've allowed our differto hurt us so much
ok any christian who complains about evil of socialism or social health care will burn in hell . One of the foundational principles Christianity is charity and working together to help each other
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Here in Brazil, we have the SUS (Universal System of Health). And any Brazilian politician uses it.
daltonagre 4 months ago
Holy shit 2k a month?? I just go into a hospital and get healthy for free!! Why the FUCK are Americans paying for this shit!! Get free health care!! We rely on our Government to take care of us, that's why we have a government, we rely on our government to provide free education, we pay them to do it through our taxes, otherwise why are you paying taxes, to fund some fucking war? Or would you rather have free healthcare? Good education, and a good economy? or war. Americas choice.
TheJudgeJoker 8 months ago
what about the presidents job? I bet you get fuckin medical insurance you prick. YOu will soon hang from the tree in the white house lawn for being a traitor and a scoundrel, Listen to this coon blaming everyone but himself for the spot they are in, Serves the yanks right for voting for a dmn nigger.
DeutscheKreuze 8 months ago
@DeutscheKreuze Ihr ist ein poposchiedel, his facts and past are all over the internet shiezkoff , take a look ya racist fuck!! Grow up and get with the rest of the planet ya fuckin 40's throw back Nazi wanna be!!
TheJudgeJoker 8 months ago
He apes whatever his jew handlers tell him to do and say, This is why he must hide his true identity or past, Nobody who is anybody can say they know him from his college days or before, Where did this nigger come from? This will be his last term in office, as soon the damn country will be at war and broke from his monkeyshines.
DeutscheKreuze 8 months ago
The comment sections on Obama videos speaks volumes about how Americans (and I say this as an American), are the stupidest people on Earth. Americans have two parts of their brain, the "call people names" hemisphere, and the rest is devoted to "alcoholism" -lol.
formless101 1 year ago
You americans pay $2000.00 per month for healthcare??? Fucking crazy
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
You amercians need MEDICARE like we have in Australia. Thats step 1
TheTyrantRaptor 1 year ago
obama has no clue what he's blabbing about.. yak yak yak and nothing said !1 oh daddy i cant take hearing you .. oh daddy , i got a boo boo , will you pass a law so i dont get no more boo boo's !!
carcrazy7 1 year ago
@carcrazy7 ...Obama was babbing because your mom was underneath the table giving him a BLOWJOB!
porn1978 1 year ago
@carcrazy7 SMH
markfmu84 6 months ago
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Barack's introductory speech seems to have trumped all of Bush's presidency. Anyone agree?
TheoMarkAllen 1 year ago 4
Barack's introductory speech seems to have trumped all of Bush's presidency. Anyone agree?
TheoMarkAllen 1 year ago
@TheoMarkAllen No doubt about it
splicedenergy 1 year ago
yeah......teachers union are exempt from the health care bill for a year.
pondfrog3 1 year ago
If somebody is born with an illness or a disability in the states and he comes from a middle class family and no insurance company will insure him what happens?
oddworms 1 year ago
Excellent!
michealati 1 year ago
Big ponies make big poop!
All toasters toast toast!
This sentence is a lie
Oral hygene is a big problem in India
BloodHarvest21 1 year ago
The health care reform made simple for democratiic idiots:
The broke as a joke govment gonn be payin youz to bez sittin on ya ass
The much brighter/republican view point:
The government, whom is already drowning in debt is deciding to pay for the lazy people that refuse to get jobs.
hersheybarism 1 year ago
Go SLIPKNOT!!!
MaximumKillBAND 1 year ago
ok guys someone tell me PLEASE, why the hell do you not want universal health care... it can only be good, at least thats the way i see it... sum1 please tell me
porklover101 1 year ago 2
@porklover101 because----"The republic will fall once you take from those willing to work only to give to those who are not" Thomas Jefferson.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
OK look, if u don't like the bill, then fine, but don't hate it for reasons that don't exist. its not socialist, its not Nazi like, those are obviously political slander that republican mouth pieces created to trick stupid or uneducated American people. and i did read the bill and i don't see why any "conservative" would disagree with it.
MegaLink117 1 year ago
@MegaLink117 High Premiums and taxes coming soon to pay for this Health Care Bill! Open your wallet and hand over your money! Have your papers ready to show the IRS!
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@MegaLink117 and not even 2 full months of its passing the CBO comes out and says o here is another 200billion dollars we missed to add in the cost of it.....they cant run social security right, they cant run medicare right, shit they cant even manage their own taxes now you want them to manage your healthcare?
boxingboycow 1 year ago
Good at gardenin'? Expand. Be some share-croppuh' o' farmer. Ah be baaad... Get yo' puh'mits and offa' yo'self as some bonded security guard. Like t'swim, roll fast, sail, fly, surf, o' parachute? den offa' yo' 'espuh'ience as an head homeboy o' yo' boat fo' recreashunal rent. Man! Only been some sheet-pushin' desk-jockey fo' de past few decades? Den offa' to eyeball and process guv'ment grant fo'ms fo' churches and charities
loonmaniac 1 year ago
If you read it and still approve then you did not understand any of it and have absolutly no sence of history or your just lazy fucks wanting free shit
boxingboycow 1 year ago
For all you people still choking on obamas sack PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND, This bill is the wrong bill if you do not believe that then you have not used that little shunk of fat between your ears and those beady little greedy eyes of yours to read that 1939 germany type LAW. Do yourself a favor and go read this new LAW that you will be forced to live by.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow one day you'll look back and realize how dumb you were
klutrusty 1 year ago
@klutrusty not really because as more things happen more apparent it becomes, now we are losing our miranda rights in the name of terrorism? ROFL "Tyranny and oppression will only come to this land in the guise of a foriegn enemy" John Adams. Go read s 3081 it gets even better,
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow what does that have to do with health care? there're millions of americans who don't have health insurance, what's so bad about giving them some?
klutrusty 1 year ago
@klutrusty if you study what has happened in other countries. Germany, Venezuela, Cuba, and many others. See what all took place before they were taken over and radically changed. you see our president and democrats did not care if the bill was right for the people only so long as it passed.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@klutrusty and also why is it my job to take care of lazy people? I work for me not for them. I am so sick and fucking tired of people saying o why is it such a bad thing...GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO BETTER YOURSELF STOP MAKING PEOPLE LIKE ME CARRY YOU!!!
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Are you going to say that to kids who can't get healthcare because no matter how hard their parents try, AND I SAY TRY, they just can't make the cut? Didn't Jesus say if you have two shirts take one and give it to the poor?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks but there is the thing dipshit, jesus said take one and GIVE it to the poor. He did not say have it confiscated to give it to people who would rather live on welfare. You make it seem like everyone out there works hard and does everything they can to better their situation, bud hate to tell you you're DEAD WRONG!!
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Lets keep this debate civil. Namecalling indicates immaturity. You make it seem like everyone out there works hard and does everything they can to better their situation, bud hate to tell you you're DEAD WRONG!! I can't speak on behalf of people who are too lazy to get a job. But I can say that people who make and honest day of work, need a helping hand.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Then if it is so that people really need a helping hand instead of going out and bettering their own posititon and tyhey have to rely on others for that hand then lets make it a usefull hand. I WOULD have much rather paid for someone to go to college and better their lives than for healthcare. See the difference "create debt forcefully, or create a better tax payer....hmmmm
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow College in many cases can yield to a higher income, but not always. College fees can and should be eased, but I don't want College to be paid for in full by other people. Because I go to College everyday, and seeing that I'm 3 semesters from graduation, there are usually plenty of fools that don't go to class and waste both time and money that could be used on more deserving students. Besides paying for that out of your own pocket builds character and appreciation.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow You can live a successful life without College. My parents are a true testament to that. However, none of us can live without proper Healthcare. Forget common colds. When I was sick with severe bronchitis, when my mom was diagnosed with dialated cardio myapathy, when both of my grandparents were diagnosed with cancer, we had our healthcare to take care of us. Even then, its not sufficent for everything. My grandparents are swimming in debt in cancer medicine, despite full coverage.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow what does that have to do with health care? there're millions of americans who don't have health insurance, what's so bad about giving them some?
klutrusty 1 year ago
@klutrusty I hope you like all the higher taxes that come with giving all americans some health insurance. Also can you explain to me why it is ok to force American to provide documentation of Health Care Insurance, but it is not ok to ask them for domumentation to see if they are in this country illegally? And what countries can I just walk into without papers that will not just throw me in jail? I would like to know.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 wouldnt you appreciate it if one day you get really sick and still don't have to pay much to get better, thanks to all your fellow citizens paying for national health insurance? You need to get the spirit of this bill: it's about people helping each other, no more no less. If you really like your country that much why shouldn't you help other americans who really need it? And trust me, I think illegal immigrants are sufficiently being taken care of in the states...
klutrusty 1 year ago
@klutrusty The spirt of this bill is give America more entitlements that we can't pay for until we are in the same spot as Greece. Should I dig out my Greek flag & wave it around? 115 billion more dollars over 10 years than the CBO first said & 400 pages have not even been figured at a cost yet. Everyone's premium goes up. Employers will dump us on the gov plan. Shortage of Doctors? Obama will make all the illegals legal so they can get health care & vote for him. Sounds wonderful!
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Thats the difference between your War and our Health Care plan. Its paid for. In fact it cuts the deficit by 1.2 trillion in the next ten years, and does this by eliminating wasteful spending and cuts down overfunded programs that do nothing. If nothing was done, MEDICARE and MEDICAID would litterally bankrupt this country.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks
This is old news! Breaking news a couple of weeks ago. CBO figures Health Care Cost $115 billion over 10 years plus 400 pages of costs yet to be determined. Premiums will go up for everyone!
So much for the lie that Obama told, this will cut the deficit by 1.2 trillion over the next ten years.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 What would of happened if nothing was done to modify medicare and medicaid, like repubicans wanted? The federal government would of gone bankrupt, because medicare and medicaid is virtually unsestainable. You can't cut the two programs because too many people depend on it. So what do you do?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks First of all the republicans want Healthcare reform, but not the healthcare bill that was passed. The Federal Government is going bankrupt. You would noticed the amount of spending is unsubstainable if you had viewed sites about the deficit or the economy. Congress and the president need to make cuts & reforms. But this congress and this president will not, so we all go bankrupt kinda of like Greece is doing.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Lets be clear. Not a taxcut or tax credit for families alone. I'm talking about a change or improvement on the already existing system of care that we have. Cuts have already been made and are already being made. Cuts into medicare and medicaid will be implemented later on. Programs and provisions that don't work are being cut. 20 Billion in cuts have been made so far to our wasteful healthcare system. Read the newspaper.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks They only cuts that can possible be made to medicare / medicade are the ones having to do with Dr Emanuel's Complete Live Chart. And you won't be liking those cuts. As they reduse care and encourage end of life. Doctor's reimsursments can not be cut any further and else the doctors will not work for that redused pay.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 The cuts that are being talked about right now go beyond the Complete Live Chart. "As they reduse care and encourage end of life." Explain that sentence for me. You seem to make many statements with little explanation. Doctor's reimbursement is going to be affected no doubt. In many cases, they will make their money on the quality of care rather than how much care was administered. Where their profits are cut, others wil form.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks your war? LOL this plan is not paid for jackass. thats why it does not start to take action until 2014 do you not read? They will be taxing us for 3 years to build a pool of money to help cover the starting costs of this illegal legislation. If it cuts medicare/medicaid then explain how come an added 15 million americans are being allowed in to the medicaid pool due to this law?
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Again, lets keep this debate civil. I've little time for 31 year olds who can't act their age when they talk to people. This plan doesn't start till 2014 because everything has to change. contracts have to be rewritten, and pieces of this bill have to be eased in in stages, not all at once. It takes time. What are they taxing you to pay for this bill? And what have you done to make healthcare available to those who can't afford it?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks it's not my job to make anything more available to other "FREE" people. You never heard or lived by "we reap what we sow"? Bust your ass dig deep take a chance and things happen. sit back and wait for someone else to do it for you and you are nothing but a drain on society. As for the taxes I will be paying. Only true way to know that for sure is when I do my tax return next year.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Who are you to judge those that make honest work and still can't raise the bar? You know nothing of their situations, nor do you know if they can help their situations. Some people have had deaths in their family and had no life insurance. That person may of been the bread earner. People may of been laid off, and are struggling to find new jobs to make the status quo. How can you judge righteously when you can't even feign your own ignorance?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow This healthcare reform for the last time IS NOT FREE! Free healthcare is welfare. This is not welfare. People will still have to pay premiums as ordered by law. I find it amazing that you nor anyone else who makes less than 250,000 a year can't even tell me what taxes of theirs went up. Not even you. Common sense is knocking on your door and they want their refund.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Those taxcuts given to the rich, and are still being given to the rich, are not paid for. Your quest to find the imaginary weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is not paid for. Your expansion of medicare by 314 billion is not paid for. Clinton left office with a balanced budget for three years, and a surplus. Bush left our country in a economic mess that the current administration is trying to clean up.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks The current administration does not know how to clean anything as demistrated by the mess in the Gulf. Obama pointed fingers in the Gulf and at Bush for the fist year and 1/2 and it looks like he will continue. Obama did not even try to come out and give a press conference until it looked like the oil had stopped and then he was wrong about that. Even Carville is taking shots at him.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Now if you read my previous ouline on how this plan is being paid for, you would understand. Its funny how you emphasize sympathy on these insurance companies going out of business(if it ever happens) when you could care less about the automotive industry staying in business. And as for this Gulf spill, how can you clean this mess up when we don't even have existing technology to plug up the leak?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Wasn't these contingency scenarios supposed to be addressed before offshore drilling could be approved? Wern't there supposed to be emergency shut off valves on these oil rigs in case of a leak? Nobody seems to know quite how to clean this mess up. And Obama has stated that he takes responsibility for this effort. and said all this before Top Kill began. I guess you missed that press conference.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Carville blasted the president not taking control of this. Trusting BP to do its job when it tried hard to cut corners. I'm suprised the media never covered the funerals of the 11 oil workers like they did the miners.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Carville is furious not onver what the president is doing. He's furious because the president is not doing enough. Hell it was an entire week before Bush sent help down to New Orleans. There were bodies floating in the water on tv before he sent any help to New Orleans. The president came out and said that BP is paying for this spill the moment the fault was determined to be BP's.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Katrina - Orignally the state did not ask for help. I did take 2 days for National Guard troops to get there. And there was some mismanagement. Obama has been in charge 40 days and it appears that nothing has occured except studies and him trying to locate equipment to do something. The governor has been asking to put his own plan into action for 2 weeks now without any approval. Should we wait until everything is covered in oil before we start to cleanup?
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Was it necessary for Lousisiana to have to ask for help? Did New York City have to ask for help? Did Haiti have to ask for help? Thats a load of crap and I'm puzzled you would even try and feed that to me. Jindal has ideas and I believe that those ideas need to be put into play here. Nothing seems to be working to plug up this leak 5 miles below sea level. Thats why Obama is conducting tests. If you have a better idea to seal this leak, we're on all ears.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Yes it was necessary of Louisianna to ask for help, because they are not getting any. Hello? When is Obama going to help Jindal after everything is covered with oil? The only test Obama is conducting is what should I do next on my vacation. The experts know how to seal the oil leak and they will do it. It is Obama's job to cleanup and protect our environment.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Contrary to popular belief, we have no contingency plan to deal with offshore oil spills like such that is the example. Military establishes the risks and countermeasures to deal with those risks before entering combat. That was never done before offshore leases were granted to these oil companies. So right now, no one on this planet knows how to fix this problem. So right now you are witnessing stuff being thrown at the wall to see what will stick.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks It is the government''s job to have a contingency plan to deal with offshore oil spills. Your statement only proves Obama incompitance. Combat? No one knows? This is not the first leak! They cleaned up Alaska. Other countries have cleaned up oil spills. It is just no one in the Obama administration is prepared or knows. Even Jindal has an idea. Obama = Clueless
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Slowly but surely, BP is starting to wish this problem would just go away. In the words of Giovanni Ribisi from Avatar and I think he said it best, "theres one thing shareholders hate more than bad press and thats a bad quaterly statement." Their stocks are taking a savage beating right now, and shareholders are suing the corporation. This disaster could potentially do one of two things, destroy BP or have other companies take over BP.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Of course this is BP fault. Obama is falling to do his job for 41 days now. He needs get back to work and read his job discription again, because he is a failure at it so far.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Those tax cuts are over because you president deemed it to happen to cover for his out landish spending. Dont try to talk about something when it is very apparent you do not educate yourself to the facts. You are beginning to get on my nerves. Lets not get into the Bush Obama thing because you have no clue what you're talking about
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Obama never eliminated the Bush tax cuts. He let them expire and never renewed them. And they are still not paid for. The war against a country who never attacked us, which the mission was first to find WMDs, which tranformed into dethrowning a dictator, is not paid for. What makes you think I care about your nerves? You've already called me ignorant fuck I don't know how many times, when I've treated you in a civil manner all this time.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Now specifically, which of your taxes are being raised to pay for this healthcare bill? Which ones specifically? Do you make more than 250,000 a year? If not you probably got a taxcut. The core components of this bill, including a mandate for coverage was masterminded by Bob Dole who proposed this back in 1993. Mitt romney signed this mandate into law back when he was governor of Massachussetts.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Again the $250,000 lie. It does not matter what RINOS Bob Dole and Mitt Romney did of didn't do. Massachussetts voted this in as a state as states are entitled to do. The Federal Government is not. This Health care bill is illegal and bad for America.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 It does matter because what they proposed was passed on a massive scale. It does matter. And if its unconstitutional in the country, its unconstitutional in the state. Hence why segregation in the states was declared unconstitutional. And if its a lie, what taxes of yours are expected to go up? And have they gone up? Fear and smear. Fear and smear. Thats Republican pragmatism for you.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You really need to read the bill. ingnorance is not bliss kid
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Did you read the bill? You've never told me if you did or not.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Teddy Roosevelt was the first president to push for comprehensive health reform. And he was a Republican. Who supported a Progressive income tax. I don't put out this information because it sounds good, nor because its friendly to my ideas. Its history. Does it piss you off to hear me disagree with you? Well what are you going to do about it? Curse some more? The last time I was intimidated like that was when my sandwitch was too hot.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Corporations and industries involved in the business of healthcare will be taxed to pay for this. They make billions upon billions in profits as it is. People who make more than 250,000 will have their taxes in Medicare part A increased to 2.35%. Plus dividends, intrest, bonuses for those individuals will also be taxed by 3.9%. "Cadillac" coverage plans will also be taxed. I doubt you're wealthy enough to fit in this bracket.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Corporations and industries that are heavily taxed will either A -Go out of business or B-move to a more friendly to do business country. More unemployment here in the US. We will all be paying for the Healthbill not just those over $250,000. (Did you notice they are already pushing Cap & Trade and VAT?) Less businesses, more unemployment, more people on government insurance, less people to pay in. Flawed Plan
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 And I thought we covered these bases before on Cap and Trade. You're not going to be taxed for the Caps, nor for this Healthcare reform. Unless you make more than $250,000. Now if your taxes are being raised, tell me which ones are being raised? You never did specify. Don't just tell me your taxes are going up, be sepcific on what taxes OF YOURS are going up.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks We have covered Cap and Trade,VAT, and Health Care. only one of us doesn't know what they are talking about. Everybody is going to be paying higher taxes, unless they are so low income that they normally don't pay taxes. All taxes are going up.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 You're forgetting one thing. You have not specified which of OUR taxes are going up. You cry about our taxes going up, yet you never tell me which ones are going up. But you are right about one thing. One of us here doesn't know what they are talking about.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 We've covered all of these areas of discussion. You have all but made up your mind on what you think about the president, the congress, and all that they are doing. Theres not much I can do about that. But it should be noted I have heard nothing but pecimism and neegativity from you. So it leads me to think that no matter what they do, you'll never be satisfied. Well Jesus did say that you can't serve two masters.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Yes we have covered all these areas and you continue to believe every word that Obama says is true, which most have already been proven false. You refuse to go to any website to verify information that states other wise. But since you have brought Jesus into this let me direct you to a Utube video were Obama talks about the Biible: Utube: Obama Mocking the Bible. Obama is not a Christian.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Who said that? You said that. An individual that believes everything the president says is truth is what we call a "Yes Man". If I may be so bold yet again, the only information you choose to pay attention to is the negative such. So Obama is not a christian now? What next? You'll tell me he's the antichrist? When was not being a christian a bad thing in any case? Look up the definition Conspiracy Theory, and you'll find your name next to Limbaugh's.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 There are some Conservatives that are so radical that they are attempting to rewrite the Bible, because words and even whole passages have in their minds, been deemed "too liberal". Obama not being a christian is conspiracy, where this is fact. Andy Schlafly, look up his name. In the end here, we have to look at each other and decide where we stand on all of these issues. You look at it from one aspect, and I look at it another. We can both say that we are right on what we believe.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I gave you the name of the video to look at. You refuse to look at any information that I give you. You have looked at 527 channels since 2006? I do not know and am not responsible for anyone rewriting the Bible. I'm surprised you found any news as your channel views in the last 4 years are very few. I do have my views, but I can honestly say that I am well informed on many current issues and do look up information.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I'm glad to see that you have a unquenching interest in my Youtube page. I looked at all of your videos. And I found more or less that those videos were filled with opinions and assertions that left me with more questions than answers. Never did I put in responsibility of their actions. I only said that it was a fact. In regards to my channel views, I actually get my info from reliable sources...and not from Youtube.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You may have not noticed, but this video has the president speaking. You can also get videos the president and congressmen speaking as well. So you get the facts straight from the person who said it. Some of the links that you sent me were from some left leaning publications. I would think watching a video of what someone actually said would be more reliable.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 "You refuse to look at any information that I give you." Wern't you the one who told me that you didn't need an article when I provided you one?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You article was out of date and from a left leaning source. You need to send me something reliable.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 How was the article out of date? It was on why Republicans oppose healthcare reform, which stated far more than the obvious. The information stated was centralized based on political viewpoints that go back as far as the 1970s. More than that, it states the outcomes of previous battles over reform and draws conclusions that overlap each other. Their message of opposing reform has always been the same. But if you want a more centralized article, I'll bring you one.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You want to send me another article telling me what the republican issues are with government health care since the 1970's? Why? I could send you an article on Woodrow Wilson's thoughts, but why? I have been a republican for over 35 years. I don't need a democrat reaching republican ideas back in time and drawing the wrong conclusions. I am a republican, I know what republicans think.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 There are reasons for everything. And this article had a big point to it. One that you have completely ignored or it sliped your mind. You don't care to know, so I won't bother explaining it to you. You wanted an aritcle that was for all intensive purposes an independent one? You got it. Now you're crying because I sent you the article? Will you ever be satisfied? Sometimes being wrong is the only way you learn something. Keep that in mind.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks This is a history lesson & only tells the positve affect of Obama's plan and not the negative. You only have one side of the argruement here as it includes some left leaning republicans went along with socialist health care in the past. But that is not the the republican position in recent years, the article is deceptive about what the GOP position is today and what the negatives H/C bill affects are.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Does it have only that of which you don't want to hear? Each fact and statement is numbered. Those numbers lead to active sources. Most of the articles you sent me were from Fox News. You find Republicans that put up similar proposals and you call it left leaning? I thought you were the one accusing me of twisting things. All I did was show you history. But even then, you still missed the bigger point I was pointing out.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Not it does not have to do with what I don't want to hear. Tell me the current events (last 2 years). I don't want to hear about what someone wanted 30 years ago that is dead and gone. What is the point I am missing? This article praise Obama Care and doesn't mention any problems that have already been found with it. So what is the point? I would love to know.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Again just because the Halocaust happened around the end of the 1930s, does it make the issue any less relevant? First your arguement was healthcare reform was bad. Then it was about healthcare reform being unconstitutional. Then it was about the healthcare bill being completely fabricated by democrats. Then it was about republicans being shut out of negotiations. Then it was about YOUR taxes going up.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Then it was about some Republicans being left leaning when they pushed for the same concept. Will it be more of the same hit and miss tactitcs from you? If I told you that this healthcare reform was perfect, I would be an idiot. But you probably think I'm an idiot already. But theres a fundamental message to the timeline which was outlined in the article. Let me explain.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 The article remains relevant, not only because it shows the progress of the cause over the century, but because the last major political shift of fundamentals occured during Teddy Roosevelt's presidency. Republican ideas became Democratic ideas and vice versa. There has not been a flip shift of this magnitude since that time, even to today. Since then, political ideology for the two parties has remained for the most part unaltered. Thus the article provided retains its relevance.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Second, the article shows that the issues that were brought up by Teddy are not far from the issues of today. The financial problems of the public as well as the country have been overwhelmingly associated with medical related expenses. And out of control medical costs reportedly have only played a factor in the US.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Also similar proposals of the solution to provide universal coverage in America has been repeatedly proposed by both parties. Over a period of a century. Thats a long time. Most people don't live that long. If its so bad, why do many other countries provide it? If its unconstitutional, why would politicans violate their sworn oaths to defend the Constitution to promote it?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks That is a good questions, why would politicans voilate their sworn oath to defend the Constitution to promate the Health Care Bill? Possible answers: A. It fits into their socialist agenda. B: They haven't read the Constitiution C: They are fundimentally transforming America. D. All the above.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Oh did I mention you also argued that providing healthcare to people who can't afford it is welfare? And that it was giving free coverage to uninsured Americans? And you argued that this article praised Obamacare. I'm starting to think that the only time you accept information and examples available are only for the expressed purpose of agreeing with them.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I am starting you think you have ADD. Did you not see my post below asking the question about why Obama is supporting an unconstitional law? When you address that question we will go on to the next question.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 When was this unconstitutional? Where does it state this formality in the Constitution? If you can show me where it says it. Prove me wrong....for once.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks All powers not granted to the fed are reserved for the states. Congress cannot so simply avoid the consitiutional limits on its power. Taxation can favor one industry of course of action over another, but a tax that falls exclusively on anyone whi is uninsured is a penalty beyond Congress's authority. Online WSJ.com/article/sb100001424052970204518504574416623109362480.html
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I've caught a dead link to your website so I had to search for it. I've read the article. The individual mandate, which amends the Internal Revenue Code, is not actually a mandate at all. It is a tax. It gives people a choice: they can buy health insurance or they can pay a tax roughly equal to the cost of health insurance, which is used to subsidize the government’s health care program and families who wish to purchase health insurance.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks This is a mandate. If is wasn't a mandate I wouldn't have to buy health inusrance or a pay a fine. This is not the general walfare. It is health care insurance. General welfare would be like police, and fire dept.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 But, Congress has never before mandated that a citizen enter into an economic transaction with a private company, so there can be no judicial precedent for such a law. At the same time, Congress unquestionably has the power to tax for the general welfare and regulate activity that affects interstate commerce, and it should be beyond dispute that health care (as well as the failure to have it) affects the national economy.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 People are exempt from the tax if they get health insurance through their employer or through Medicare, are poor, are dependents, are in the military, live overseas, or have a religious objection.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You need to quit resighting the talking points and look at the reality. It is going to cost our employers to much to pay for health care. They are going to dump as all on the government plan. The government will not be able to afford our health care either. They will deny coverage encourage Dr Emanuel's complete live chart. (Which I have mentioned 3 times and you have never looked at or responded to) Just keep with the talking points they are much safter for you.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I just showed you not only what provisions were written in the bill that was signed into law, but also facts written in the Constitution on the government's role in regulating interstate commerce, including factions that affect the economy negatively.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I don't think Health care is interstate commerce. Just because you type it in a post doesn't make it so.
Including faction taht affect the economy negatively? Where is that in the constitution? You just make it up! The H/C Bill is going to the courts.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 The onlly thing that you have shown me is a history leson of what the repulblican's think and Obama talking points.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
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@Aprilmax010 Its talk like that I'd expect from retards who don't know any better. "Why would politicans voilate their sworn oath to defend the Constitution to promate the Health Care Bill? Possible answers: A. It fits into their socialist agenda. B: They haven't read the Constitiution C: They are fundimentally transforming America. D. All the above" If you claim to be so smart, why would you say something dumb like that?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
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@Aprilmax010 "The onlly thing that you have shown me is a history leson of what the repulblican's think and Obama talking points." When you have nothing else to fight with, you resort to this. Hate and contempt. Fear and smear. Party of NO. When you have people that step up to the plate and face the issues of society, they're labled socialists, marxists, communists. Yet 95% can't even give a educated definition of those three words.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/is-the-health-care-law-unconstitutional/
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks This is a site that people blog their opions. At least they are not following the offical democrat opinion. The courts will decide if this is legal as over 20 states have filed suit. Virginia is one of the states that passed a law exempting its self. I believe other states have also exempted themselves. This H/C Bill is up in the air for many reasons. Just because you post it is constitutional doesn't make it so.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I never said it was Constitutional, not for the reason being that I think it sounds good to say. You can dispute that if you want to. I provided you reasoning and articles with factual assertions. I'm not going to resort to platitudes when I have nothing else to defend myself with. When Republicans can't win it in the Congress, they run to the courts. They always do.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks When Obama can't win he points his finger, and blames Bush. I wonder how long it will take him to take action in the Gulf? Our country is on its own as Obama has formed a commettee and has called James Cameron to plug the oil from leaking. LOL!
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 All and all, I can only show you why I support healthcare, civil rights, and other issues and show you why instead of my opinion. I'm not going to change your views no matter what I show you. But I can show you that I have very good reasons to believe what I believe, and not because someone told me thats its true. I don't like to think of myself as being gullible.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You are looking at the facts as stated. I just don't think the facts add up to what they say. Did you ever once look up Dr Emanuel Complete Live Chart? How can they reduced Medicare Doctor reimbursment and still have doctors who will work for that wage? They will have to increase the cost of the program. It will be espensive. Try looking at all sides of this Law.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 If I told you this healthcare law was perfect, you'd think I was a bigger idiot than you probably already think I am. And you'd be justified. This law is not perfect. Work still needs to be done to improve on it. Medicare was far from what it is today in terms of functionality when it was enacted. So was all of our other government programs created to serve the public.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Its overall effect on the public is still unknown, given that most of this law has not gone into effect yet. Me still being in college, will be able to stay on my parents insurance until age 26, saving me thousands in buying a separate policy. So already I can take care of other bills that need attention. At this point my health insurance always tries to cut my insurance every semester unless I present a full schedule to them. Soon that will be illegal.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks .. We need more real world situations like your's brought to lite.. People always fight about rhetoric , rarely do you see anyone comment with real life ammo..
mesaman1970 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 The only things that you have shown me are platitudes. Fear. Scare. Armageddon. What bad and horrible things will happen if Republicans don't get their way. I didn't even have to say Republicans came up with much of this healthcare reform, I showed it to you. Clear as day, black and white. And you called them left-leaning. Sour grapes thats all you have.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I show you the bigger picture using rationality and practicality. I showed you what was written in the bill stating how people would be exempt from the healthcare law if they had their own insurance, are in the military, and so on and so fourth. Thats not what I said, that is the law! And all that you have to say is I jump from subject to subject, making up my own facts, resighting talking points?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 In short, Congress has the power to intervene in Interstate Commerce if a faction negatively affects the national economy. The national debt over a period of over half a century, maybe much longer, has linked 62% of all causes of bankruptcies to medical costs. There has been no war to date where the costs have steadily shifted the economy negatively in a linear pattern for over 50 years.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 So in short, the Iraq war and the Afgantistan war, if they can be called wars on paper given the last time we signed a war declaration was back in 1941, are immensely expensive, but the thing about the financial cost of wars are that they have an end point. The debt of the war is paid off over time upon its conclusion. The stream on debt coming from medical costs has not only never stopped, but the margin of debt has never shrank like that of wars. Its increased.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I love how you jump from subject to subject and make up your own facts. Tell me how much did the war in 1941 cost? I really want to know.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I made up nothing. Are we still paying for the war in 1941?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I know its hard to believe, but if you add the financial costs of every war and every battle we have ever been in as a nation, the money pit to pay off that debt eventually fills up. Our economy has been on a slow, very slow, but steady downward spiral due to healthcare costs. Money has fed this pit, and has never filled up. Ever.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 So in conclusion, based on the Constitutional interpretation, as well as independent data of numerous statistics over a period of a century, the ongoingly increasing, seemingly endless debt created by medical costs, is more costly than all of the wars and battles the nation has ever undertaken, combined.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks That was not in the article that I sent you. But if you want to make it up and post it fine.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 I never said this was from the article. I only told you that I read it.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I provided you facts! History! People as far back as the 1920s saw what was ultimately going to come unless something was done to fix the issues with healthcare costs. Politicians on both sides! 62% of all bankruptcies are healthcare related.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow In return for the new taxes the healthcare companies will have to pay, they in return will be recieveing a new form of profit from the millions of new customers who will be paying for their own healthcare. If these individuals do not pay their premiums they will be fined. So its not like they are getting something for nothing.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Many will choose to pay the fine. Insurance Companies that are forced to take people with ongoing illness will need to charge a higher premiums so everyones premiums will go up or insurance companies go out of business and everyone goes on the government plan as it is cheaper. Employers will dump employees on the government plan as it is cheaper. Democrat solution is single payer where everyone will wind up after time.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 A single payer plan would of been nice. So would a public option. You can thank Joe Liberman for getting rid of both ideas. There is no government plan of insurance, except what the military has and they love it. Congressman's healthcare will be offered to individuals at reduced price, not for free. We all have to pay something.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks I suppose you are dumb enough to agree that taxing our way out of the depression will work? Here is an idea educate yourself about why we are being forced to buy something on a federal level when that is illegal? I will gladly fight for your freedoms as well so dont be alarmed there are many more like me, go sit in your corner suck obamas nut sack and I will make sure you stay free!
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow What is your idea of getting out of a depression? Have you ever done it before? Learn from somebody who has. Roosevelt pushed two different reforms through Congress called the First and Second New Deal in an effort to provide relief to the commonwealth. Many of the programs like the FDIC, SEC, Social Security, and the AAA came out of that. All mandated by the federal government.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks On that note "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! Please dont respond you're to stupid to talk with!!
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Internet is neutral, so I will respond to whoever I choose to. You don't like it? Too bad. Suddenly when I don't agree with you, I'm too stupid to talk to? You're the one who can't seem to act your age, given how you talk to people. You kiss your mom with that mouth? "The first requisite of a good citizen in this Republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his weight." - Teddy Roosevelt
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks honestly you need to read the bill and not just say you have.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Did you read the bill? All of it? The same people who are claiming that this reform is horrible, never had a reform plan to begin with. The same people who crying about welfare, live by the same freedoms paid for by other people with service, dedication, and sometimes their lives. What do you have that you wern't already given? You need to check yourself at the door before you walk through it.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks Dont even try to talk about service son. 5 tours in Iraq and afghan. I have done my part. I have earned everything I own you ignorant fuck. My house, my job, my respect. I have never asked for help from anyone and have never sat back and waited for someone to give it to me. I TOOK WHAT I NEEDED BY HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Mind who you call an "ignorant fuck". My father was a Marine for 10 years. 8 years active, 2 years reserve. I'm enlisting as soon as I graduate. He wants healthcare reform for those that need it the most. And I am no different. Is that wrong? So still I can say to you that it was others that paid for your freedom and asked nothing of you in return for their sacrifices. So again what do you have that were not already given?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Iselldummysmacks changes age and background to fit the arguement. You can make no headway as the same arguements are repeated over and over.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 Its people like you Aprilmax010 that send private emails instead of making their arguements public for everyone to see. If you could care less about what I think why do you keep responding to my comments? Doesn't make much sense.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@boxingboycow I never saw people like you complaining about the massive debt that Bush was creating when he was in office. I never saw people like you complaining when he signed the first bailout into law. I never saw people like you complaining when he gave the oil companies billions in taxcuts. And you wait till a Democrat becomes president and suddenly spending matters? Honestly, you're as hypocritical as you are pragmatic.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks You are the hypocritic because you refuse to go to any deficit spending site or economy site and read the information. Just because we are republicans does not mean that we approved of Bush's spending. But it is quite clear that just because Obama is a democrat you approve of his spending. Obama is on hyper-drive to bankruptcy and you have both eyes closed.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@Aprilmax010 As a matter of a fact I have indeed read that information. You are the one who is hypocritical. Where was your outcry when Bush spent like he got a hold of his father's credit card? Where was your rallies? Where was your tea party movement? Where were your protests of out of control government spending? Where were your militia movements? Suddenly it matters big when Obama is elected? You are indeed hypocritical.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks LOL I was in washington with a sign in my hand bitching at my government the day they signed the patriot act. I was at war defending unwilling people from terror. I was killing the bad guys that make little girls like you squirm at night because you know face to face with one you would drop to your knees and beg to not die att ehir hands.
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow You nothing about me apart from my responses to you, yet you claim to have a superiority over me. You need to back off and check yourself at the door before you walk through it. Other than the other clowns you're used to talking to, there are some people in this country that know the difference between being against the war and being against the troops. It would be best for you not to confuse the two.
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
@iselldummysmacks As for that massive debt that bush created lol again idiot you need to educate yourself. When bush took office the national debt was not balanced. ROFL at the stupid people who believe that. We had a 7 trillion dollar debt in America in 2000. 2008 it was 10.3 trillion. only one year of democrats and thei fuckups. 13 trillion...you do the math stop being stupid
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow Where did you learn that? Thats not whats on record. Why would Alan Greenspan lower intrest rates during economically good times, against the wishes of the Republican controlled Congress to do so? Three and a half Years of balanced budgets with 236.2 Billion in a surplus. All under Clinton. Information came from the Non-Partisan Congretional Budget Office. Where did yours come from?
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
I don't know the complexities of the HC debate but something has already pass ed at this point and i'm not so sure it will do the job because the public option was not included in this bill. the only reason why I even comment on this issue is because of what i have seen of our congress. The fight is so terrible it make s even me embaris and I'm not even in the forefront on the issue. I thought we 're here to help one another a more perfect union but we've allowed our differto hurt us so much
Hopeboy15 1 year ago
ok any christian who complains about evil of socialism or social health care will burn in hell . One of the foundational principles Christianity is charity and working together to help each other
sewagedweller 1 year ago
@sewagedweller rofl charity is free will and giving not by force!! IDIOT
boxingboycow 1 year ago
@boxingboycow
and it wouldn't prove amount needed . And its not like God is about free will in first place .
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