Another thing and that is all christians can't even agree on where abouts the nails were put in jesuses upper body, most christians claim the nails were put into his wrists while the rest of the christians believe the nails were put into his hands, thats one of the other beliefs of christianty that has also been changed and altered over time.
Very little of what is written and published in the bible today is original and very little of what is taught in christianity today is original, christianity and the bible have been tampered altered changed and mistranslated so many times that almost all of the original stories and verses in the bible have been lost and almost all of the original teachings of christianity have been lost.
Interpretation of any prophets words has always been problematic. How could it not be. Even people who see things before their eyes will have different descriptions of what they thought they saw. Such is Human. There is one circumvention to all the semantics, analysis and reason. Faith.
@Frankiponken, Interesting you mention the Resurrection. The Greek word for "Resurrection" is "anastasis"-Strongs #G386. Are you up for a challenge? Try to find one place in the original four Gospels, which you seem to believe are eyewitness accounts, that says, in the Greek text, that Jesus was resurrected.
@ForBibletruth Matt 16:21, Matt 17:9, Matt 17:23, Matt 28:7, Mark 8:31, Mark 9:9, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:34, Luk 9:22, Luk 18:33, Luk 24:46, Joh 21:14 uses riseG450 ἀνίστημι, anistēmi, an-is'-tay-mee From G303 and G2476; to stand up AND G1453, ἐγείρω, egeirō, eg-i'-ro
Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one’s faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death;
@Frankiponken, Not one of these passages contain the word for resurrection-"anastasis"-Strongs #G386. The word "egeiro" (G1453), does not mean resurrection. It means to arise-that's something the average person does several times a day and "anistemi" G450 means "to stand".
Again, the Greek word for "Resurrection" is "anastasis"-Strongs #G386. Can you find even one place in the original four Gospels, where the writer says Jesus was resurrected?
They don't seem to be using the word anastasis, but the context is clear, it says that Jesus came back to life, went missing from the grave, that the deciples saw him, and later on He went back to heaven.
@Frankiponken, Over the centuries, there were many saviour figures that were said to have died, and then came back to life after three days. Why should we reject those other stories, and believe this one? Paul says in 1Co 15:4 "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures". According to what scriptures? The Gospels weren't written yet. What Old Testament scriptures said the Messiah would die and then rise again on the third day?
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
@Frankiponken, I have already dealt with this passage in the earlier comments below. Your quote is not an accurate translation, Thomas did not say, " put my finger where the nails were".Additionally, does this passage say when or how these " nail marks" were created? No. Did Thomas or anyone actually touch Jesus when he appeared again? No.
@ForBibletruth Well., it says that Thomas wanted to see the wounds in hands and his side. And that Jesus allowed him to do so(john 20:25-27). Wouldn't that suggest that Thomas touched Jesus when he appeared again?
@Frankiponken, It does not say Thomas wanted to see his wounds-you have simply assumed that. Why would he want to stick his fingers into wounds, would you do that? See the passage in Luke 23:36-40. There instead of showing his hands and his side (literally his ribs), he showed them his hands and feet. Why? Because they thought he was a ghost. People have seen their dead loved ones appear for thousands of years-that doesn't mean they are literally back from the grave.
@ForBibletruth I accept that you want to translate the bible in a different way. But verse 27 in chapter 20, what do you think of that? Where Jesus commands Thomas to feel with his finger.
You think you know which verses to not read, and which that are true? Or why won't you consider the verse?
@Frankiponken, Again, Thomas was not asked to stick his finger into any wound. Unless it was needed to plug the hole in an artery, what kind of sick person wants to stick his finger into an open wound? You are reading things into a passage that aren't there. There is no mention of wounds in this passage, and nothing to indicate that Jesus was attached to anything with nails. If you read the provided links, you will see that no one actually knows what crucifixion really was or how it was done.
luke 24:36-40 states how Jesus, HIMSELF showed His disciples His hands & feet.. cos they thought He was a ghost.. & then to further show He wasn't- He ate food w/ them.
@andersonkid, That is correct. How would he have been dressed? He would have been wearing a robe that would cover his hands and feet. It says in the text that the disciples thought they were seeing a spirit and that is why he showed them his hands and feet. Does the text say he showed them wounds from being nailed to something? No, it does not.
crucifixion was done is many ways. Cross (not christian shape) usually people were crucified at eye level), a single wooden stake which is way worse than a cross and many more. Also the nails was not placed through the front of the feet like every image of jesus on the cross, it was put through the sides of their feet as proven by the only skeleton ever found from christs time that was proven by bone damages to feet to have been crucified.
@Alhambrattp, Actually, if you read the linked article and research this further, it turns out that no one knows what the words "stauros" and "stauroun" mean. No one ever wrote a detailed description. As you have mentioned, all they have is one heel bone with a spike in it, and no proof how or why it got there.
@vjt989, In Acts 2.23 the word translated as "crucified" is the compound word "prospegnumi". "Pros" means "forward" and "pegnumi" means "to set up" or "to pitch" (this same word is translated as pitch in Hebrews 8:2), as to set up or pitch a tent. The word usually translated as "crucified" is "stauroun" and the word "cross" is "stauros". The truth is that no one knows what a "stauros" was, what it looked like, or how it was used and therefore can't know what it meant to be "stauroun".
@wo4091, That passage has been dealt with in prior comments. Please keep in mind that the Gospel of John was never mentioned or quoted from until about 180 CE.
@SNCrangers12367, It has become clear that this is all new material to you, and you really don't know what you're talking about. We do NOT have the original primary texts of the disciples. The oldest texts date to the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries, most texts were written in the middle ages and no two are exactly the same. Sorry, but, you can't just make things up as you go along.
@SNCrangers12367, You complained that I was not using primary sources for word definitions of a dead language and then suggest Wikipedia? It is not that difficult to figure out a dead language? The world awaits the publication of your Greek lexicon, perhaps, you could write one for Old English as well, that should be really easy too-right?
@SNCrangers12367, The point is, we don't know what a "stauros" looked like or how it was used. Was it just a straight beam of wood or was it shaped like a "T", an "X", a "Y" or an upside down "L"-we don't know. How was Jesus attached to it? Was he nailed, tied with a rope, fastened with a chain, or was he impaled on it-We don't know. Was he right side up, upside down, or horizontal-We don't know. The Bible does not tell us any of these things.
@SNCrangers12367,LOL, of course I am using second hand sources-there are no primary sources. The New Testament text was written in Koine Greek which is a dead language. It went out of usage at least 1700 years ago-we don't have any ancient lexicons to use. For years, it was thought that the NT was written in a special Holy Ghost language. The meaning of many of the words has been lost.
@SNCrangers12367, NO, "stauroun" is a verb, so it can not mean "a tree or a pole". A "stauros" could mean a beam of some sort, but, it is not "a tree". Do you believe that Jesus carried a tree to Golgotha? Did you not understand what Gunnar Samuelsson was saying? We don't know what a "stauros" was, what it looked like, what it was made of, or how it was used. All we do know is that it was something used for suspending objects, and we don't know how objects were attached to it.
@SNCrangers12367, The Greek texts say that he carried his "stauros" to Golgotha, and they "stauroun" him. There is little evidence that the Romans nailed people to trees. You have, sadly, put your personal beliefs ahead of the facts. There is a link in the video information box, to an article on this same subject, by a Christian minister and New Testament scholar, who makes the same claim. Jesus was not nailed to anything.
@SNCrangers12367, You say to stop playing semantics, and then you ask what crucifixion means? Was that word used in the Greek texts?-No it was not. Luke 23:39 says, "the malefactors which were hanged ..", and Matthew and Mark both claimed they were "crucified with him", so clearly all were hung or suspended from something-they could all speak, so clearly a noose was not meant, but, nails were not the only way to suspend someone on a beam of wood. Are your beliefs more important than the facts?
The Bible says Jesus showed Thomas the nail prints in his hands, but the only reference I found. John 20:24, I think. BUT, Dionysius the Greek god was nailed to a tree that looks like a cross. That may be where Gal 3:13 comes from, a pagan influence.
@MercuryRis, The text says the print (or pattern) of nails in his hands. The text does not say holes, wounds or scars, and it does not mention when or how this print or pattern was made. Gal 3:13 refers to Deut 21:23.
@MercuryRis, Hanged and Hung are alternate forms of the same verb, being past tense of Hang. The word means to be suspended. He was hanged or hung on a tree, not by a tree.
Thanks for being patient with people and continueing to beat this truth in our heads.
It is not easy to accept deprogramming with truth, you have to look at things in a true intuitive perceptive, yet survive in the power structure. Your insight deserves authorship or exposure over vhf and otherwise. Correspondance for start upbroadcast requested.
galatian 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.
to asociate crucifixion to constriction hanging is a paul´s blaspheme.
cuz "hung" on deut 21: 23 reffers to constriction hanging. which was cursed. and judas, not Yehoshua, fullfilled it.
@SuperBoomboon, Nice try, but, you have it backwards. No one has said a word about "constriction hanging" (choking), except when it came to Judas, and this was clearly stated in the video description. Deutoronomy 21:22-23 states the person would be killed and then hung (suspended-not choked) on a tree. Galatians 3:13 does not use the verb for choking either, but, the Greek word is " kremannumi", which means to hang/suspend, and is the same word used in Luke 23:39 and Deut 21:22-23 in the LXX.
@SuperBoomboon, Again, Matthew says Judas hanged (choked) himself. The Greek word is "apagchomai". Luke 23:39, Galatians 3:13, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:39, and the LXX translation of Deuteronomy 21:22-23, all use the Greek word "kremannumi" , which means to hang or suspend. The Hebrew word in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is "Talah" and again this word means " to suspend".
It doesn't matter if the Roman's used "constriction hanging" or not. No one ever claimed that Jesus was choked or strangled.
@Schtayven , John 20:25 does not say Jesus was nailed to anything, nor are wounds mentioned. I have a scar on the back of my right hand from a nail, but I was never nailed to anything.
Why discussing on such fairy tales, boys? If there's a Christ coming up from the sky, I want it RIGHT NOW, not thousand years later, when I will be less than a compost of the soil. But, if there are such things the way they're narrated, I guess the religious version of Christ is the very Antichrist himself.
@SuperBoomboon, The Roman's didn't hang people? Luke 23:39 " And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us."
not by constriction, that is what is refered for a "cursed man". but by fixing him with nails [on Yehshua´s time] or another fixing method like ropes on another periods, which were the roman systems
@SuperBoomboon, Did you not read the verse? Luke 23:33 says the malefactors were crucified, and, Luke 23:39 says they were hung. Luke says these events happened on the same day, yet, you claim they occurred in different periods of history, and that the Roman's never used that method? If that is true, then the events recorded by Luke could not have happened.
First let me say I love your videos and I share them a lot. Love the beard. So I'm sure you already know this but for others who may not.
Esus also known as Hesus is a Human Hating and Torturing God who likes to hang people from trees. Jesus is also known as Ie-sous, Ie-sus and Hesus. Christs name was Yahshua which means Yahweh is Salvation Just as HallaluYah means Praise Yahweh.
@lipoicacid, After I posted this video, a subscriber sent me the link to an article that appeared on CNN's religion blog, about a conservative Christian pastor and New Testament scholar, who spent 12 hours a day, for 3 years, reading 900 years worth of ancient texts, in the original Greek, Hebrew and Latin, and concluded that the word for crucify meant suspended. He is convinced that Jesus was never "crucified", in the manner most people have been lead to believe.
"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe".
it sounds as Thomas knew the details well.
romans used both systems to fix the victims, ropes and nails. at Yehshua´s times they used mostly nails.
@IWannabeJew, The passage speaks of " the print of the nails", "print" meaning a pattern. Let's not forget that Jesus was a carpenter and nails 2000 years ago, were not the smooth wire they are today. Also the word for "nail" and the word for "sun" are only one letter "i" different-there is some thought that the "pattern" Thomas was looking for may have been freckles. In any case, there is no mention of wounds in the passage.
@IWannabeJew, Also, when Thomas says, "thrust my hand into his side", this can also be translated as, "Strike my hand against his side". What kind of person would want to stick his finger into a nail hole or thrust his hand into an open wound on his Master's side?
@ForBibletruth what kind of person? Yehshua said it himself. a faithless.
John 21:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing".
@SuperBoomboon, The word "thrust" in the Greek is "ballo" meaning to strike with force. Friends often strike or slap one another, but, only an idiot would want to forcefully thrust his hand into an open wound, as you seem to believe this passage teaches. Is this normal behaviour for even a faithless man? Certainly this passage does not mean what you have been lead to believe.
@mrgalleria, Literally, this passage was trying to offer proof that Jesus was resurrected. Think about it-Thomas was not questioning if or how Jesus was put to death-he was questioning if the reports of his resurrection were true. He wanted to see for himself that this was the same man he knew, by seeing marks he knew were on his hands and by striking his side to see if he was really there. Again, there is no mention of wounds in this passage.
Good listening.
ZMoulton 2 months ago
Thanks for making this videos.
4271580 4 months ago
Another thing and that is all christians can't even agree on where abouts the nails were put in jesuses upper body, most christians claim the nails were put into his wrists while the rest of the christians believe the nails were put into his hands, thats one of the other beliefs of christianty that has also been changed and altered over time.
MrJohnboy1984 6 months ago
Very little of what is written and published in the bible today is original and very little of what is taught in christianity today is original, christianity and the bible have been tampered altered changed and mistranslated so many times that almost all of the original stories and verses in the bible have been lost and almost all of the original teachings of christianity have been lost.
MrJohnboy1984 6 months ago
Interpretation of any prophets words has always been problematic. How could it not be. Even people who see things before their eyes will have different descriptions of what they thought they saw. Such is Human. There is one circumvention to all the semantics, analysis and reason. Faith.
exzealient 10 months ago
@ForBibletruth " Did Thomas or anyone actually touch Jesus when he appeared again? No."
Intressting theory, does it realy says so in the bible, or did you made that up so that you can tell us that Jesus was not risen from the dead?:)
Frankiponken 10 months ago
@Frankiponken, Interesting you mention the Resurrection. The Greek word for "Resurrection" is "anastasis"-Strongs #G386. Are you up for a challenge? Try to find one place in the original four Gospels, which you seem to believe are eyewitness accounts, that says, in the Greek text, that Jesus was resurrected.
ForBibletruth 10 months ago
@ForBibletruth Matt 16:21, Matt 17:9, Matt 17:23, Matt 28:7, Mark 8:31, Mark 9:9, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:34, Luk 9:22, Luk 18:33, Luk 24:46, Joh 21:14 uses riseG450 ἀνίστημι, anistēmi, an-is'-tay-mee From G303 and G2476; to stand up AND G1453, ἐγείρω, egeirō, eg-i'-ro
Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one’s faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death;
Frankiponken 10 months ago
@Frankiponken, Not one of these passages contain the word for resurrection-"anastasis"-Strongs #G386. The word "egeiro" (G1453), does not mean resurrection. It means to arise-that's something the average person does several times a day and "anistemi" G450 means "to stand".
Again, the Greek word for "Resurrection" is "anastasis"-Strongs #G386. Can you find even one place in the original four Gospels, where the writer says Jesus was resurrected?
ForBibletruth 10 months ago
@ForBibletruth
They don't seem to be using the word anastasis, but the context is clear, it says that Jesus came back to life, went missing from the grave, that the deciples saw him, and later on He went back to heaven.
Frankiponken 10 months ago
@Frankiponken, Over the centuries, there were many saviour figures that were said to have died, and then came back to life after three days. Why should we reject those other stories, and believe this one? Paul says in 1Co 15:4 "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures". According to what scriptures? The Gospels weren't written yet. What Old Testament scriptures said the Messiah would die and then rise again on the third day?
ForBibletruth 10 months ago
John 20:25
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
Frankiponken 11 months ago
@Frankiponken, I have already dealt with this passage in the earlier comments below. Your quote is not an accurate translation, Thomas did not say, " put my finger where the nails were".Additionally, does this passage say when or how these " nail marks" were created? No. Did Thomas or anyone actually touch Jesus when he appeared again? No.
ForBibletruth 11 months ago
@ForBibletruth Well., it says that Thomas wanted to see the wounds in hands and his side. And that Jesus allowed him to do so(john 20:25-27). Wouldn't that suggest that Thomas touched Jesus when he appeared again?
Frankiponken 11 months ago
@Frankiponken, It does not say Thomas wanted to see his wounds-you have simply assumed that. Why would he want to stick his fingers into wounds, would you do that? See the passage in Luke 23:36-40. There instead of showing his hands and his side (literally his ribs), he showed them his hands and feet. Why? Because they thought he was a ghost. People have seen their dead loved ones appear for thousands of years-that doesn't mean they are literally back from the grave.
ForBibletruth 11 months ago
@ForBibletruth I accept that you want to translate the bible in a different way. But verse 27 in chapter 20, what do you think of that? Where Jesus commands Thomas to feel with his finger.
You think you know which verses to not read, and which that are true? Or why won't you consider the verse?
Frankiponken 11 months ago
@Frankiponken, Again, Thomas was not asked to stick his finger into any wound. Unless it was needed to plug the hole in an artery, what kind of sick person wants to stick his finger into an open wound? You are reading things into a passage that aren't there. There is no mention of wounds in this passage, and nothing to indicate that Jesus was attached to anything with nails. If you read the provided links, you will see that no one actually knows what crucifixion really was or how it was done.
ForBibletruth 10 months ago
luke 24:36-40 states how Jesus, HIMSELF showed His disciples His hands & feet.. cos they thought He was a ghost.. & then to further show He wasn't- He ate food w/ them.
andersonkid 1 year ago
@andersonkid, That is correct. How would he have been dressed? He would have been wearing a robe that would cover his hands and feet. It says in the text that the disciples thought they were seeing a spirit and that is why he showed them his hands and feet. Does the text say he showed them wounds from being nailed to something? No, it does not.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367
crucifixion was done is many ways. Cross (not christian shape) usually people were crucified at eye level), a single wooden stake which is way worse than a cross and many more. Also the nails was not placed through the front of the feet like every image of jesus on the cross, it was put through the sides of their feet as proven by the only skeleton ever found from christs time that was proven by bone damages to feet to have been crucified.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
@Alhambrattp, Actually, if you read the linked article and research this further, it turns out that no one knows what the words "stauros" and "stauroun" mean. No one ever wrote a detailed description. As you have mentioned, all they have is one heel bone with a spike in it, and no proof how or why it got there.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth
thanks for the response I will do some more research on this, I would like to know.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
Epic video man, you should make an entire film of what you have learned, spread the real good word my wise friend.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
Acts 2:23
Colossians 2:14
vjt989 1 year ago
@vjt989, In Acts 2.23 the word translated as "crucified" is the compound word "prospegnumi". "Pros" means "forward" and "pegnumi" means "to set up" or "to pitch" (this same word is translated as pitch in Hebrews 8:2), as to set up or pitch a tent. The word usually translated as "crucified" is "stauroun" and the word "cross" is "stauros". The truth is that no one knows what a "stauros" was, what it looked like, or how it was used and therefore can't know what it meant to be "stauroun".
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
John 20:22-29
wo4091 1 year ago
@wo4091, That passage has been dealt with in prior comments. Please keep in mind that the Gospel of John was never mentioned or quoted from until about 180 CE.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, It has become clear that this is all new material to you, and you really don't know what you're talking about. We do NOT have the original primary texts of the disciples. The oldest texts date to the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries, most texts were written in the middle ages and no two are exactly the same. Sorry, but, you can't just make things up as you go along.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, You complained that I was not using primary sources for word definitions of a dead language and then suggest Wikipedia? It is not that difficult to figure out a dead language? The world awaits the publication of your Greek lexicon, perhaps, you could write one for Old English as well, that should be really easy too-right?
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, The point is, we don't know what a "stauros" looked like or how it was used. Was it just a straight beam of wood or was it shaped like a "T", an "X", a "Y" or an upside down "L"-we don't know. How was Jesus attached to it? Was he nailed, tied with a rope, fastened with a chain, or was he impaled on it-We don't know. Was he right side up, upside down, or horizontal-We don't know. The Bible does not tell us any of these things.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367,LOL, of course I am using second hand sources-there are no primary sources. The New Testament text was written in Koine Greek which is a dead language. It went out of usage at least 1700 years ago-we don't have any ancient lexicons to use. For years, it was thought that the NT was written in a special Holy Ghost language. The meaning of many of the words has been lost.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, NO, "stauroun" is a verb, so it can not mean "a tree or a pole". A "stauros" could mean a beam of some sort, but, it is not "a tree". Do you believe that Jesus carried a tree to Golgotha? Did you not understand what Gunnar Samuelsson was saying? We don't know what a "stauros" was, what it looked like, what it was made of, or how it was used. All we do know is that it was something used for suspending objects, and we don't know how objects were attached to it.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, The Greek texts say that he carried his "stauros" to Golgotha, and they "stauroun" him. There is little evidence that the Romans nailed people to trees. You have, sadly, put your personal beliefs ahead of the facts. There is a link in the video information box, to an article on this same subject, by a Christian minister and New Testament scholar, who makes the same claim. Jesus was not nailed to anything.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SNCrangers12367, You say to stop playing semantics, and then you ask what crucifixion means? Was that word used in the Greek texts?-No it was not. Luke 23:39 says, "the malefactors which were hanged ..", and Matthew and Mark both claimed they were "crucified with him", so clearly all were hung or suspended from something-they could all speak, so clearly a noose was not meant, but, nails were not the only way to suspend someone on a beam of wood. Are your beliefs more important than the facts?
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
he could not have been nailed in his hands,to support your body weight it would have to be in the wrists.
thegovamint 1 year ago
The Bible says Jesus showed Thomas the nail prints in his hands, but the only reference I found. John 20:24, I think. BUT, Dionysius the Greek god was nailed to a tree that looks like a cross. That may be where Gal 3:13 comes from, a pagan influence.
MercuryRis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis, The text says the print (or pattern) of nails in his hands. The text does not say holes, wounds or scars, and it does not mention when or how this print or pattern was made. Gal 3:13 refers to Deut 21:23.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
One think, sir. He was HANGED by a tree, Hung means..something else ;)
MercuryRis 1 year ago
@MercuryRis, Hanged and Hung are alternate forms of the same verb, being past tense of Hang. The word means to be suspended. He was hanged or hung on a tree, not by a tree.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
Thanks for being patient with people and continueing to beat this truth in our heads.
It is not easy to accept deprogramming with truth, you have to look at things in a true intuitive perceptive, yet survive in the power structure. Your insight deserves authorship or exposure over vhf and otherwise. Correspondance for start upbroadcast requested.
Dmayvione 1 year ago
Whoa...what is my mom gonna say?
Angie2343 1 year ago 2
galatian 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.
to asociate crucifixion to constriction hanging is a paul´s blaspheme.
cuz "hung" on deut 21: 23 reffers to constriction hanging. which was cursed. and judas, not Yehoshua, fullfilled it.
again, romans didn´t use constriction hanging.
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, Nice try, but, you have it backwards. No one has said a word about "constriction hanging" (choking), except when it came to Judas, and this was clearly stated in the video description. Deutoronomy 21:22-23 states the person would be killed and then hung (suspended-not choked) on a tree. Galatians 3:13 does not use the verb for choking either, but, the Greek word is " kremannumi", which means to hang/suspend, and is the same word used in Luke 23:39 and Deut 21:22-23 in the LXX.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, Again, Matthew says Judas hanged (choked) himself. The Greek word is "apagchomai". Luke 23:39, Galatians 3:13, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:39, and the LXX translation of Deuteronomy 21:22-23, all use the Greek word "kremannumi" , which means to hang or suspend. The Hebrew word in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is "Talah" and again this word means " to suspend".
It doesn't matter if the Roman's used "constriction hanging" or not. No one ever claimed that Jesus was choked or strangled.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
every time i read the title for this video my heart shrinks .. o. 0
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
came across john 20:25
Schtayven 1 year ago
@Schtayven , John 20:25 does not say Jesus was nailed to anything, nor are wounds mentioned. I have a scar on the back of my right hand from a nail, but I was never nailed to anything.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth
thanks friend, was not trying to derail, was just showing an instance of what was there
Schtayven 1 year ago
This world can't be reconcile to God only forgiven. His body cannot be share, because he doesn't have one anymore.
patrolg 1 year ago
Great video.
MrJohnboy1984 1 year ago
Did you put fertilizer in your beard??? Keep up the good work....thumbs up!
lipoicacid 1 year ago
Why discussing on such fairy tales, boys? If there's a Christ coming up from the sky, I want it RIGHT NOW, not thousand years later, when I will be less than a compost of the soil. But, if there are such things the way they're narrated, I guess the religious version of Christ is the very Antichrist himself.
SamuelSkelter 1 year ago
@Cliner98 Yehoshua wasn´t hung. he was nailed. Judas was "hang" by himself. that is what "hung" means. it s totally different.
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon The Talmud [if it refers to the character in the Bible] say Yeshu was ''hung''.
lipoicacid 1 year ago
@lipoicacid how come it it so wrong? romans didn´t use that technic at all 0. 0
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, The Roman's didn't hang people? Luke 23:39 " And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us."
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth oh ty! will u allow me comment again? ..
not by constriction, that is what is refered for a "cursed man". but by fixing him with nails [on Yehshua´s time] or another fixing method like ropes on another periods, which were the roman systems
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, Did you not read the verse? Luke 23:33 says the malefactors were crucified, and, Luke 23:39 says they were hung. Luke says these events happened on the same day, yet, you claim they occurred in different periods of history, and that the Roman's never used that method? If that is true, then the events recorded by Luke could not have happened.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
First let me say I love your videos and I share them a lot. Love the beard. So I'm sure you already know this but for others who may not.
Esus also known as Hesus is a Human Hating and Torturing God who likes to hang people from trees. Jesus is also known as Ie-sous, Ie-sus and Hesus. Christs name was Yahshua which means Yahweh is Salvation Just as HallaluYah means Praise Yahweh.
FelixChosenByYahweh 1 year ago
did u read "tied" anywhere? where?
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, No, but, as I stated in the video, the Bible does say he was hung, but it never says he was nailed to anything.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth
My Bible says "impaled"and "impale" repeatedly.
(John 19- 12 times).
Definition of impale- to pierce with or as if with something pointed;
especially : to torture or kill by fixing on a sharp stake
mrgalleria 1 year ago
@mrgalleria, Yes, If one was impaled, wounds on their hands would be a minor issue. There is some thought that the word may actually mean "suspend".
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth Where did you get the ''suspend'' translation from? This is very interesting for a number of reasons.
lipoicacid 1 year ago
@lipoicacid, After I posted this video, a subscriber sent me the link to an article that appeared on CNN's religion blog, about a conservative Christian pastor and New Testament scholar, who spent 12 hours a day, for 3 years, reading 900 years worth of ancient texts, in the original Greek, Hebrew and Latin, and concluded that the word for crucify meant suspended. He is convinced that Jesus was never "crucified", in the manner most people have been lead to believe.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
then, John 20:25..? o. 0
"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe".
it sounds as Thomas knew the details well.
romans used both systems to fix the victims, ropes and nails. at Yehshua´s times they used mostly nails.
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, I already explained this passage, in the comments on this page. Again, there is no mention of wounds in this passage.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
Acts 13:29 "they took him down from the tree" 1 Peter 2:24 "who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"
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Brazconj 1 year ago
Acts 10:39 "whom they slew and hanged on a tree"
Brazconj 1 year ago
Acts 5:30 "Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree"
Brazconj 1 year ago
The Bi Bull is full of inacuracies and myths.
MrJohnnyrace 1 year ago
FBT, can you make a video reading John 20:24-31, commenting while you go? I think that may help explain why you say what you do.
IWannabeJew 1 year ago
@IWannabeJew, The passage speaks of " the print of the nails", "print" meaning a pattern. Let's not forget that Jesus was a carpenter and nails 2000 years ago, were not the smooth wire they are today. Also the word for "nail" and the word for "sun" are only one letter "i" different-there is some thought that the "pattern" Thomas was looking for may have been freckles. In any case, there is no mention of wounds in the passage.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@IWannabeJew, Also, when Thomas says, "thrust my hand into his side", this can also be translated as, "Strike my hand against his side". What kind of person would want to stick his finger into a nail hole or thrust his hand into an open wound on his Master's side?
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth what kind of person? Yehshua said it himself. a faithless.
John 21:27 "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing".
SuperBoomboon 1 year ago
@SuperBoomboon, The word "thrust" in the Greek is "ballo" meaning to strike with force. Friends often strike or slap one another, but, only an idiot would want to forcefully thrust his hand into an open wound, as you seem to believe this passage teaches. Is this normal behaviour for even a faithless man? Certainly this passage does not mean what you have been lead to believe.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
@ForBibletruth
If this does not mean what it clearly states-
what does it mean, for you failed to explain?
mrgalleria 1 year ago
@mrgalleria, Literally, this passage was trying to offer proof that Jesus was resurrected. Think about it-Thomas was not questioning if or how Jesus was put to death-he was questioning if the reports of his resurrection were true. He wanted to see for himself that this was the same man he knew, by seeing marks he knew were on his hands and by striking his side to see if he was really there. Again, there is no mention of wounds in this passage.
ForBibletruth 1 year ago
good video
dankwilliams 1 year ago