Whereas I agree with Chomsky, that the biggest driving force for, and against, the idea of government paid healthcare is corporations, the reason that should stand against it above all is that nationally we are a republic, not a democracy! Furthermore, the republic is (supposed to be) under the guard of a constitution that gives absolutely no allowance for such a system.
I don't think Chomsky's a fool, but instead, he's doing that which he denounces, and is omitting facts to manipulate others.
Well this is just one of the all too many cases on our books of Americanism. The only way that we can fight this terrible debilitating social disease, is by informing the general public of its consequences, by showing young people that it's just not worth it. So please give generously to this address: The League for fighting the United States of America, 55 Lincoln House, Basil Street, London, SW3.
@FreeMarketLibertaria So? That's a damn good question. Why shouldn't they have? The position the german people were in was not exactly enviable. Grasping for control, the propaganda of Hitler was sewn in fertile ground.
But I don't think that fairly characterizes the debate over healthcare in the US, since the debate is essentially a tug of war between(some) industry and government for control. I think that using the Gov't to shield the public from Corporate insanity is reasonable here.
@FreeMarketLibertaria Your comment amounts to "Why should the people be allowed to exercise their democratic right to influence government?".
You're a bigoted simpleton who doesn't grasp the physical realities of the world in which we live. If Americans have to consider themselves "Superior" to use the resources available to the power system they are supposed to have a say in, what the fuck do you think of Canadians, who've already done it?
I lived in Montreal for 13 years. I HATED the system. The system in the states is not perfect but it's better than what they have north of the border.
@fromis111 -- come on, admit it, you mastur-debater, you either (1) want hot looking girls, or (2) you're a brown-dirt cowboy who putts from the rough.
If (1), let me make this clear to you: pretty girls / women think you're an ugly, grotesquely obese, bald smelly pig. Uh, news flash: hot girls aren't attracted to Buckwheat - Vidal - Chomsky - Mailer - etc obsessed "intellectuals."
If (2), well, just be sure to clean the fecal bits off the tip of your pickle when you're done.
Is this true, is there a clear majority in favour of reform? really? If so, to the European style completely free (including dentistry and opticians up to 18) government operated extent? (speaking as a UK citizen)
chomsky as usual is correct, the american people have wanted change to the healthcare system, but until big sector companies wanted it, no one in D C gave a damn about it, so it took this long, if we had reformed healthcare decades ago, and reformed it right, we would not be in the mess we are now
also, it won't be able to play on a level playing field BECAUSE public healthcare is paid for by (forced) tax, not (voluntary) revenue. i am surprised chomsky would say something so easily refuted. this is as bad as him saying Jefferson was anti-capitalist, or that Africa = unfettered capitalism.
that said, i sympathise with chomsky's concern, i just disagree
people wanting just private healthcare will be taxed to pay for someone else's too, that's the unfairness. it's not complicated.
How about we have it so that people wanting public healthcare pay an extra tax, and have this 100% go towards only the public healthcare system that they have exclusive right to use.
that way, people who want private healthcare can do so, and ppl for public healthcare also have their way.
i really wish people with a left bias (i once was to a degree) would just check out a good (yes, only IMO) book on free-market economics and kinda see the logic of where we come from. even if it left people poorer, i'd still support it (natural rights)
read: 'Economics in One Lesson' only 170pages, see amazon reviews
corporations are the ones lobbying for healthcare, and were pushing essentially the same bill with romney. (read, and see, some part are identical word-for-word)
@100CommonCents Where do you free market people come from? Is there some right wing group out there directing you people to every Chomsky video on Youtube, or are you just so afraid people will take democratic ideas seriously that you feel a necessity to advertise hyper-capitalist propaganda everywhere?
In the UK we've had a free National Health Service alongside private health care since the 1950's I can't understand why the situation has been so different in the US
@blueoystercult22 Because there's tons of money in healthcare and that's the bottom line here in the U.S. Profits. Big business will not allow us to go universal because they would lose money and who wants to make LESS money right? So they will start laying off their workforce from the ground up to save money for themselves and their investors. Consider that they also own the media, so job loss will get all the publicity and people will rally around them for it. They own us, and they know it.
Again, double-speak moron, I'm sure you have wonderful insurance through your tenured professorship. You hypocritical bastard. Take an economics course--maybe listen to some economists on Fox News; some intelligent discussion instead of your warped view. Why haven't you left the US yet? GET OUT.
@lgormanable You're mind numbingly stupid. Chomsky has spent most of his life as an intellectual and discusses economics regularly. He knows what he's talking about. Chomsky is the only good thing the US has. Idiot.
@karmiclaw316 Both actually.. but they have different views on how to acheive liberty. Friedman was more of a visionary and there is no way of telling if he was right. Probably never will be because mankind is to stupid to make anything of friedmans ideas. In the mean time, we´d probebly do best by listening a little more to chomsky.
the corporate bastards want fascism, watch George Orwell's "1984". that is the end result of what they are pushing for... not communism, but totalitarian fascism.
i love chomsky but every time i watch one of his lectures, i become freshly horrified at the state of our country. i'm not a violent person- i don't even kill bugs if i can help it- but sometimes i think, if things don't change, there'll be another civil war in america's future. this war will be fought over economic outrage: the many poor versus the 'opulant minority'.
Yeah, he's right. Why isn't there a large movement for universal healthcare? If the polls are right and support is as high as it is, than why can't they organize like this te party.
And yet another example of corporate hypocrisy. "we can't compete, it's not fair" boo hoo, how many small businesses have said that and got scoffed at? between that and all the bailouts it's OBVIOUS that capitalism is not working in practice, much like socialism and communism didn't work.
@unfortunatebeam ok, since capitalism and socialism as concepts nowadays seem to cover all aspects of all concievable ways of organizing a siciety, it seems we´re doomed if capitalism and socialism "didn´t work" . what would there be left? because of how the two words meaning have been inflated, there is now way you could have a society without either unless it´s a totalitarian one, in one way or the other
You know what i just realized watchig this? You can't beat them... join them... I'm going to become a republicn get rich of my imbicile base who votes against there owns interests and also sell a book about how I found jesus to make even mor money....
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
Im so thankful to my teacher for introducing me to Chomsky. The only teacher who ever made me read a Chomsky book in my college career... what I wouldve missed...
No one cares about human rights, environment, or education. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. This world (especially America) is focused on one thing: MORE MORE MORE MONEY. We need to stop competing financially AND START LIVING A LIFE WORTHY FOR ALL HUMANITY. Fuck money. Fuck capital.
Do you realize that right now (to the MSM), Tiger Woods mental health is WAY more important than universal health care for all?
Will he win?
Will he talk to his wife today?
Will he see his kids 1 day a month?
What did he eat for lunch today?
All of the sports "pundits" endlessly psychonanalyze him. Are any of them trained doctors or therapists? No. But, when Tiger is your gravy train, who cares about that?
If he had his own channel wouldn't it give his message a little more power overall(vs. having others post everything for him)? Nothing against you or the others for trying to help.
I'm just thinking of how to potentially make a bigger MSM impact (the MOST WATCHED You Tube channel, and so on).
@whereismybailouttv lets make a youtube channel. or combine it with a guy names George Lakoff as well. very intelligent progressive professor at berkeley.... teaches cognitive linguistics check it out!
Only a true genius could compare and explain the profound differences in our different wars through the decades, explain the anti-movement's positive effects on lessening inhumane, horrific war acts, generally speaking, and offfering the inciteful, and accurate perspective, as only Noam does.
I have a a relative undergoing chemotherapy for cancer. One shot that he needs for his white blood cells costs as much as a used car. Four of those shots will cost $32,000. Not including the chemotherapy. I am uninsured, and had been putting off going to a doctor, when one fine evening I needed to use the emergency room. After being asked my social security number for a credit check and five hours of laying in a hallway, the doctor came in and said they don't know what's wrong. $4,000
Obamas healthcare plan, as currently ratified, is about like Kissengers "Peace with Honor" when the US pulled out of Viet Nam. Obama campaigned on a healthcare plan with a public option and no mandate. What he signed has a mandate and no public option. He left the private ins. co.s in control. He called this real change. It is not.
Obamas healthcare plan, as currently ratified, is about like Kissengers "Peace with Honor" when the US pulled out of Viet Nam. Obama campaigned on a healthcare plan with a public option and no mandate. What he signed has a mandate and no public option. He left the private ins. co.s in control. He called this real change. It is not.
@Onlythefaceschange. Unfortunately, that was probably the best he could get. Obama underestimated the sway of insurance companies and right-wing nuts -- he figured his wave of popularity and the horrible abuses by insurance companies would be enough to push the PO through. Nope. The sad truth is that he had to fight tooth-and-nail against many of his own inner circle just to pass these small reform efforts. It's a tiny step in the right direction after decades in the wrong one.
@Onlythefaceschange he couldnt get single payer or the public option through congress... what was he supposed to do? do nothing? sometimes you have to be a realist, not an idealist....
Now, Chomsky, do I turn to thee, and mark my greeting well; for what I speak my body shall make good upon this earth, or my divine soul answer it in heaven. Thou art a traitor and a miscreant, too good to be so and too bad to live, since the more fair and crystal is the sky, the uglier seem the clouds that in it fly. Once more, the more to aggravate the note, with a foul traitor's name stuff I thy throat; and wish, ere I move, what my tongue speaks my right drawn sword may prove.
Free market also means that it is allowed to crush all the competition and eventually a few strong companies owns the whole market but it is still considered "free" , even though it has developed into corporatism/fascism. The elite companys has turned into something similiar to a well funtional state or like in the Usa where the richest companys rules the state in one way or another. USA has sadly turned into an fascist country.
Capitalism the root of ill health,poverty and dehumanisation A system of wage slavery of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital acccumulation and concentration for the control of a few. A politically manipulated market mechanism where human needs and well being are determined by profit motive and drive of the capitalist class. Capitalism the template of pepetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so forth
@arzoyan You say Capitalism is the root of dehuminisation ? Hitler 55 million murdered Stalin 20 million murdered Pol Pot 16 million murdered Moa Tse Tung 65 million murdered Idi Amin Dada 4 million murdered Hoa Chi Minh 20 milion murdered Castro unknown - multiple human rights violations Saddam Hussein 3 million murdered it goes on and on....
Ummmm....yeah. You might have put a zero after the two there by mistake, but even with just a two I'd advise you to stop watching too many Chuck Norris movies.
@cayetanoluis I'm not talking about during the Vietnam War - Ever hear of the "killing fields" that happened after the Vietnam War? What was done to both the North and South Vietnamese.....
"Ever hear of the 'killing fields' that happened after the Vietnam War?"
Sure, the ones in Cambodia - which, incidentally, the Vietnamese largely put an end to when they invaded the country some years later.
You're ascribing a level of mass murder to the Communists which is, frankly, ludicrous. Citing these ridiculous "figures" actually denigrates the victims. Like I said, you should hold back on the Churck Norris movies.
@cayetanoluis Cambodian massacres or Alleged State Communist massacres, the perpetrator is a state seeking power/resources or an entity seeking to become a state at all times subject to the trappings of state power.
@MetalDetroit CAPITALISM: You and everyone else is just another commodity, you have a set value and are absolutely disposable. Yes you have opportunity for betterment (college) but it is highly costly. Tens of thousands of women in Capitalist nations must sexually degrade themselves to pay for a future that they deserve in the first place. The ideal political system does not yet exist, but our dignity and well-being must be guaranteed.
well capitalism has done exactly that, it has destroyed jobs and hundreds of thousands of them if not millions... You know 'free trade policies' all that crap designed for coporations to enrich themselves further abroad
The corporate greed in this nation needs to be toppled. We are being dragged into a new techno middle ages. Banks and insurance companies have replaced the church the oversaw Europe, and we are being reduced to lowly peasants. The government is supposed to be a tool to protect us against corporate overreach but it has been bought by wall street and insurance companies and is thwarted in its efforts to help us. This must end.
see that is true, but as long as capitalism exists greed follows, its the whole point of the system. You denounce corporations for beeing greedy sure but that is why they are there, to maximize profit and that has always been their goal. Thanks to your gvt and its different policies it has made it easier for them to maximize their profits abroad for example. So a big problem is the whole system as it is, because it isnt jsut gonna change by some miracle because its not in their interest to do so
I agree with you and that is even what Chomsky says is a good idea but do you really think that will happen? You need to mobilize the majority of the population to do that and also transform major institutions and how things are run.
kotash2- While you may think the US have better overall living standards, you are considering only a fraction of the US population. (Not to mention overall living standards are completely subjective). The US is the MOST unequal society among industrialized nations. Studies show this- re: any literature by Richard Wilkinson. Free market societies may be beneficial to some, but it is detrimental to the majority!
Anyone still talking about the free market is a f**cking clown. You live in La La land. The insurance companies are already on the government payroll. They take the same massive subsidies as the corn, oil, coal, and auto industries. The only people that live in the free market are poor people and look at how great their insurance is.
Obummercare has to go away before real HC REFORM can occur::
..... Enact REAL VIABLE TORT REFORM.....
.................TOTALLY ELIMINATE THE MANDATE TO BUY.....................................................................allow competition across state lines and cheaper availability of generic drugs....a less LETHAL cut to Medicare rather than the HALF TRILLION proposed..eliminate abortion control, gun control vending machine control..& Don't even think of those 118 IRS style structures...
he never talked about quality. He says other single payer systems are better because of universal coverage, which is one aspect, but the actual quality is much lower in canada. There are ways, within a capitalist free market to spread the ability of coverage.. without a complete centralized take over of 1 sixth of this nations economy
The quality debate is terrible. The logic runs something like this. For those who can actually afford Health Care to maintain good care, they need millions and millions of people to receive no care. It's amazing how inhuman people can be.
The "capitalistic free market" has had YEARS to spread coverage, but the only thing that has happened is higher costs and less coverage. It's not even valid to make the point because it ignores the last 20-30 years of evidence otherwise.
the "free market" hasn't been free for healthcare. Companies are not allowed to sell accross state lines and each state requires companies to cover certain things and follow certain regulations. I hate how people always turn strait to the government to take over. we haven't made any changes to the healthcare system in the past 40 years, so now we should jump straight to government take over. centralized power was what our government was created to avoid.
At least if they can't sell over state lines, they can't turn Healthcare into Walmart.
take your centralized power argument to police forces, firefighters, education, etc. Maybe we should make all of these institutions capitalistic in a "free market" then the Wealthy can monopolize their safety and education just as they have their Health Care.
@toddghall ---No, there is no "free market," & by free market I mean its value rises & falls according to it composite worth, not according whether it's measured up to the prognostications of tea-leaf readers, speculators, & other such obscurantists.
@toddghall NO, there is NO free market in the USA. The Federal Reserve System must be abolished, and the criminal mass murdering bankers of the Debt Syndicate must be arrested for War Crimes, and Crimes Against Humanity.
turn health care into walmart? you mean make it easily available to the general public at rock-bottom prices? that would be awful! lol
police/firefighters are locally-run public services. also, our increasingly federalized government-run education is the butt end of a global joke and needs privatization
anway, we don't have gov't medical insurance because the canadian/euro nanny state is decaying, despite that they only pay for a small military since they're under our umbrella.
@SimulacrumMaster Sure Walmart has cheap stuff but what are the hidden costs? Jobs over seas. Lower paying jobs. Less small business. You have to look beyond the surface.
Same thing with education. You have to look beyond the surface. We have the greatest educational system in the world. More money should be invested in it. Classrooms should be half the size they are now. Especially in English classes.
Your have too much American arrogance to see the successes in Canadian and Euro Health care.
the world is more competitive than it used to be, and after enviro-regulations and legacy costs we are less so. you want manufacturing back? so do i. but i doubt you'll do what it takes to get it back
the rise of gov't education spending is twice the rate of inflation. this is the law of diminishing returns. we need innovation, not a bigger price tag
canadian/euro medical insurance is falling apart. no choice, poor service, and when they're really sick they come here.
You're right. I don't want to compromise the earth to produce more material to fulfill a manufactured human need. The place we need innovation is clean renewable energy. In, fact the innovation is there, so ask yourself why we don't do it?
Thank standardization for the cost of education. Now Billions must be paid to Macmillan/McGraw-Hill and Houghton Mifflin so every student can be on the same page.
What we need is smaller class rooms and more teachers.
@toddghall Again, all your doing is listening to Fox News. How can I tell you ask? Because everything you say comes right out of their standard lexicon.
I'll accept for certain situations they have longer waits. We don't have those waits because we have too many people unable to be a part of the system. I believe in first come first serve. Health should be a human right, not a system of those who can pay most get primary care.
alt energy requires heavy subsidization, lowering efficiency and raising cost of living. don't blame walmart for job loss if you support the cause of outsourcing.
standardization was a response to failing gov't schools. private schools have better everything, including smaller classrooms (at a lower cost, too).
i don't watch network news. healthcare as a "right" means forced servitude from providers and waiting lines mean deprivation. i'm not as afraid of liberty as you are
I don't support the cause of outsourcing. Don't know where you got that. Renewable energy is available, but we will wait until we completely exhaust the supply of natural gas and oil. Yay Capitalism.
The response to education was manufactured. Corporations have a monopoly on book supplies. People need to re-evaluate what being educated means. It's not numbers on tests. Privatizing education will perpetuate class boundaries.
Deprivation to who? The wealthy? That's the point.
regulations inducing higher costs cause outsourcing. cap and trade would be a step towards your fabled "renewable" economy, but a leap away from economic growth.
outperforming others is a mark of capacity and class. it's a good thing.
depriving people who reach their rationed portion of gov't medical care, or placed in lines for bottlenecked services. gov't doesn't wink away problems, but merely distorts them making them harder to solve.
Stop outsourcing by raising import export taxes. It's an issue of supply and demand not regulation. The world has a surplus of labor and billions suffer because of it. Point to whatever BS you want, that's the bottom line and that's capitalism.
Well educated people will naturally strive to do their best. They don't need carrots dangled in front of them. If your only motivation is to beat the Jones' you fail to realize your humanity.
isolationism is economic suicide. meanwhile, cheap imports lower cost of living (mitigating job loss) while forcing us to improve our production capacity. work is not an end unto itself
motivated people do their best. gain is encouragement, confiscation is discouragement. this is the way of life, a child can understand it so why is it above your head?
okay, you're trolling. well played, you had me going for a while
@SimulacrumMaster Free market deregulation in this industrial society will result in a competitive labour market leading to lowered salaries and lowered spending, i.e. a downward spiral of earning less, spending less and producing less, it also favors criminal countries who exploit labour. Free market in practise does not offer job opportunity, it leads to soaring competition, credit crisis and job loss.
excessive wages/consumption lead to lower wages/consumption, and lower leads to higher-- this is the principle of nature abhorring a vacuum. you can't increase or decrease forever, they happen in cycles.
the current problem is china's currency manipulation, not free market principles. we need to force them to stop fueling the vacuum that's sucking jobs into their economy
@SimulacrumMaster So just wait for the dollar to drop and hope it will create a favorable situation for domestic production so that we can become the China of tomorrow. International bankers aided by modern information technology will speed up the rhythm of economic contraction and expansion but in a downward spiral. Non of the players will ever escape the poverty line and that's the reality we see today in South America.
again, nothing grows forever. until you accept this basic tenant of reality you'll always be a fearful reactionary. a relative decline isn't nearly what the nightmarish illusions you've put in your mind-- the USA has far and away the highest standard of living, so south american shitholes do not compare.
@SimulacrumMaster The high standard of living in the US is the effect of it being a consumer society running up a trade deficit. The only thing sustaining the value of the dollar is the international political power of the US and its ability to dictate policies in other countries. This is not a healthy sustainable position and ones that's over there is nothing stopping the US from becoming the next economic shithole for the international group of bankers and investors.
so... you complain about declining domestic wealth, but also complain about the things that got us to this point? hilarious. wildly exaggerating the danger of the situation isn't helping you here. :/
@SimulacrumMaster The situation is quite dangerous. Preceeding the US occupation of Iraq in 2001/2002 was the Iraqi government converting their Wall Street loan from Dollars to Euros, hence the perceived potential of the Euro that existed. As it happened, the Euro has gone from strenght to strength and the US has incurred a $2.5 trillion debt.
The best salvation available to America is that Europe takes on America's debt and succeeds all of your political power.
Why not have private police and fire and military? couldn't the free market provide cheaper law enforcement? Do you see the insanity in private health care?
The American public has had more propaganda pumped into it in 15 years than Nazi Germany had during the Hitler regime. Good intentioned people give money to churches that rape children, they pay for their own enslavement and willingly sign military contracts for further enslavement. At this point I'm willing to accept the theory of the brain infection parasite, and the mind control efforts. These people are more like parrots than apes. Well, a combination of regurgitation and mimicking behavior.
Health care reform is not socialized health care. However, we need the public option for those who cannot afford the insurance. The current system is too expensive and it does not work even for those who are insured. For example, my insurance pays for viagra but not birth control. My insurance pays for AA and NA but not quitting smoking. Pharma is through the roof. I agree with Chomsky here, democracy is not functioning. Some people and even some senators don't know what they are talking about.
We've been a tyranny; we are in tyranny now and it has been Totalitarian under the banking cartel since 1913. Do your own research. Socialism is the backbone of the greatest democracies in the world. "We the people" is a socialist wording written into the constitution of most democracies. Don't be fooled by the scare tactics. Rockefeller is referring to corporate welfare and has been successful at his propaganda to convince people that the public welfare is "bad" but corporate welfare is "good."
Now that I have cut you down, I have a question. I have lot's of questions. 1) What is the definition of common wealth? 2) What is the definition of socialism? 3) What is the definition of totalitarian? 4) What is the definition of democracy?
You're a day late and a few trillion dollars short of a six pack buddy. Corporate welfare has already been institutionalized and is socialist and totalitarian. We live under the Federal Reserve and have been since 1913. Read a real book, propaganda is bad.
Socialism has nothing to do with toralitarianism! Look at Nigeria, Congo, Niger, Bolivia before Morales, Taiwan, Thailand... All these capitalist countries have massive poverty. Poverty = totalitarianism 'cause people can't do anything because they are poor. Nobody listens to a poor man's voice, nobody cares about the poor man asking foor democracy, food, healthcare. Totalitarianism is a country where the people are worth nothing. Sovjet Union was a stalinist country, not a socialist.
The power elite do not want health care reform, nor any reform at all. They are perfectly happy with the 3000% hijacking of the common wealth. And yes, common wealth is SOCIALIST. So who you gonna give your common wealth to? The people? Or the Banksters? It's common wealth because it's for the people. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and leave me the fuck alone!
Get out of the world moon child. The only troll here is you. Chicken Hawk. Nuff said. Fighting the "culture war" is like admitting you are a Nazi. Get out of the US CHICKEN HAWK.
I have embedded the code in my Facebook page. Yes, it is sad that Howard Zinn is gone, but we still have Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, and many others. My students are currently devouring the Parenti Reader. I remind them that one must do primary research in order to be an informed citizen, and not rely on secondary or derivative work from others who merely parrot what the "respected" marionettes in academia have to say (e.g., CHE).
I lament the fact only 28, 590 people have viewed this video. Of that portion not all may be American. It would be good news to me, if at least all the liberals in America viewed this video, but for some reason that is not happening. I have a hard time persuading even m liberal relatives to watch or listen to Noams Videos. It seems philosophical prejudices affects even liberals.
thank you for your thoughtful response. The group PDA
and the Nation mag. posted this video to their websites.
Now that Howard Zinn is gone. Noam and a few others have a big responsibility. People like you, trying to get others engaged, are more helpful then you can imagine.
@franklikespolitics Truly free-minded, objective ,"questioning one's own beliefs" types, are few and far between, in America, anyways. I hear alot of them reside in Vermont, Oregon, Washington, etc. Haven't been to these states yet, unfortunately.
@TheArbiter74 The capitalist and their apologist are on duty 24/7 planting weeds in fertile otherwise great minds. This is being challenged spontaneously by some critical thinkers that are posting here. What would have a more profound effect, if there was a political party that truly represented the interests of the working class, that could organize every critical thinker that has posted here. that would indeed be a powerful force.
Yah, America doesn's listen scholars such as Chomsky:
America watches porn; talks about football, basketball and the like worthless issues...(I am not an American)..., the shift of the attention of the public to the irrelevant topics is one of the signs of the collapse of American civilization, same tto that of Rome
@1Delu , there is a country where current events are more important than the World Cup? Wow! I am not a sport fan myself. I wish I could get more people involved in topics like we are discussing here.
Manifest treason! Has spoken like a traitor, and shall answer as traitors do. Therefore lay hold of him; bear him to the rock Tarpeian, and from thence into destruction cast him. He shall be thrown down the Tarpeian rock with rigorous hands: he hath resisted law, and therefore law shall scorn him further trial than the severity of the public power which he so sets at nought. AEdiles, seize him!
so what did the voters of massachussets want? clearly they were voting against obama care. that would make chomskys statement that the main desire of americans is health care reform untrue. do you think its possible he actually doesn't know what he is talking about?
free market implies that a business either gains or losses according to their actions. An example would be a coal plant that sells it's product in the open market and makes a profit, great. But wait they discharge the polluted water that was created in harvesting the coal into the local stream. The community is paying a high price dealing with the clean-up of toxic water while the corporation makes money. On and on it goes...
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oh im glad you brought that up, all you libs love to point to the devastation of coal plants, which is way overblown by the way, but yet you benefit from the electricity it creates? have you stopped to consider how many people you would condemn to death by forcing people to "environmentally safe" (by your definition) energy and consequently raising the cost of that energy? think about it for a second. in other words, have you ever, even for a second considered the benefit peoiple get from it?
Yah, in the short term that's true Mardi. However, the infrastructure should be replaced if its causing environmental damage. I'm not in favour of joblessness either, but they should be replaced if its going to cause consequences that future generations have to live with. I'm in favour of replacing the grid with nuclear power. There's the problem of radioactive waste, but, overall, its less harmful than greenhouse gasses. In the long run, a renewable replacement to that would be preferable.
Have you thought about the fact that we ALL will die if we don't do something fast? The USA is a rich and big country. You could switch easily to green energy, it's the rich private owners of coals plants and nuclear plants that are lobbying against green energy.
Because it's still bad for the environment. If you care about freedom, you care about freedom for others. The next generations will drown in nuclear waste if we don't stop it. We force the next generations to find solutions for our mistakes. We take their future away from them. Green energy is the way to go.
Totally true, where free market should be preferred for small one person to mid sized companies, big giants should be treated like "sui genris" entities, with specific laws that protect the public from them. They are always retrieving small entrepreneurs votes, and use the free market law's for totally monopolistic goals. That's why the country has turned into something very like communist in the USSR, with propaganda, no freedom of speech etc...
Communists and socialists are against free market; that is the dictators in charge are against it. The people arent though. If you hate free market there are plenty of un-free market societies to choose from. Feel free to move there, and quit trying to fck up ours.
"Most" Americans? Chomsky doesn't speak for 'ANY' Americans, he is not an elected representative. He needs to stop generalizing and promulgating his socialist (now anarchist?) agenda. Chomsky only has a Phd in Anthropology and specialized in linguistics. He is ridiculed at MIT for having a "second career". He is not a political scientist nor an economist. SHUT UP CHOMSKY!
You people really need to learn to understand the difference between socialism and stalinist countries like USSR, North Korea, China. Bolivia, Venezula and Argentina are trying to become real socialist countries. Argentina actually was one but the freemarket destroyed their economy and public institutions.
@tonybonez On the contrary. At a Chomsky seminar presemptuously entitled "An Evening with Chomsky" held at the Kresge Auditorium at MIT, he was ridiculed by MIT people. Students from India heckled him constantly and he is ridiculed for having "a second career" at MIT. He is considered an a back number and also-ran.
"He is considered an a back number and also-ran. "
OK maybe the faculty at MIT playfully jib at him for having a "second career" as the voice of the left and most prolific author of a generation, but to act like he is not a genius just makes you look folish...
are you kidding when you say that "He is not a political scientist nor an economist." Even famed conservative William Buckley claims he is the voice of the new left!!!!
Appreciate the "heckling," but I wonder if they offer a reasoned disagreement with Chomsky? That's the more important question. Moreover, I wonder if this may say something about the tendency to atomize studies in the academy?
Polywog?r u the only one the web that knows about this heckling becaues no matter how and where you look it up the only mention of chomsky being heckled lead directly to this thread and this thread alone
So you can only comment on and participate in politcs if you have a degree in political science? Go and see if all the stupid talking heads at the 24hr news channels have one. Its is not Noam Chomsky that needs to shut up, its people like you: elitist and ignorant.
I really agree but left-wing thinkers should protect freedom of speech even if these right-wing clownes say something stupid. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
Quite the axe you have to grind against Chomsky. Try to dicredit Chomsky by questioning his academic creds? You MUST be desperate. He is ridiculed at MIT? How do you know? Do you speak for the ENTIRE MIT community? HAHAHAHA
They are unhealthy because they don't take care of themselves, because they think its the governments job, because you idiots make them believe that. We saw it in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina. They stayed there because they dont understand how to take care of themselves. Liberalism is a disease. You guys perpetuate and defend it because you are stupid.
the people who were trapped in New Orleans and died, had no way out. No transportation and city agencies did not get moving fast enough. The government you want already exists. It's a pity, humanity can do better.
Whereas I agree with Chomsky, that the biggest driving force for, and against, the idea of government paid healthcare is corporations, the reason that should stand against it above all is that nationally we are a republic, not a democracy! Furthermore, the republic is (supposed to be) under the guard of a constitution that gives absolutely no allowance for such a system.
I don't think Chomsky's a fool, but instead, he's doing that which he denounces, and is omitting facts to manipulate others.
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FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 month ago
They should have a debate between chomsky and Sowell and call it the "clash of titans"
TheMa11lman 3 months ago
Zach Gaifianakis
xdeadwaterx 6 months ago
@FreeMarketLibertaria So? That's a damn good question. Why shouldn't they have? The position the german people were in was not exactly enviable. Grasping for control, the propaganda of Hitler was sewn in fertile ground.
But I don't think that fairly characterizes the debate over healthcare in the US, since the debate is essentially a tug of war between(some) industry and government for control. I think that using the Gov't to shield the public from Corporate insanity is reasonable here.
Keinlicht 6 months ago
@FreeMarketLibertaria Your comment amounts to "Why should the people be allowed to exercise their democratic right to influence government?".
You're a bigoted simpleton who doesn't grasp the physical realities of the world in which we live. If Americans have to consider themselves "Superior" to use the resources available to the power system they are supposed to have a say in, what the fuck do you think of Canadians, who've already done it?
Keinlicht 6 months ago
Chomsky rules! I love this guy!
HoustonKJ 6 months ago
@HoustonKJ
He's dated. The most recent polls show what the majority of Americans are NOT in favor of a single payer system.
TheOtherView 5 months ago
@TheOtherView Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering.
HoustonKJ 5 months ago
@FreeMarketLibertaria Another psychotic rant. fuck you and your hateful beliefs..
davehutchinson67 6 months ago
@davehutchinson67
I lived in Montreal for 13 years. I HATED the system. The system in the states is not perfect but it's better than what they have north of the border.
TheOtherView 6 months ago
@fromis111 -- come on, admit it, you mastur-debater, you either (1) want hot looking girls, or (2) you're a brown-dirt cowboy who putts from the rough.
If (1), let me make this clear to you: pretty girls / women think you're an ugly, grotesquely obese, bald smelly pig. Uh, news flash: hot girls aren't attracted to Buckwheat - Vidal - Chomsky - Mailer - etc obsessed "intellectuals."
If (2), well, just be sure to clean the fecal bits off the tip of your pickle when you're done.
g17y5wb 7 months ago
Is this true, is there a clear majority in favour of reform? really? If so, to the European style completely free (including dentistry and opticians up to 18) government operated extent? (speaking as a UK citizen)
bigman25plus25 7 months ago
chomsky as usual is correct, the american people have wanted change to the healthcare system, but until big sector companies wanted it, no one in D C gave a damn about it, so it took this long, if we had reformed healthcare decades ago, and reformed it right, we would not be in the mess we are now
whedonfreak976 8 months ago
also, it won't be able to play on a level playing field BECAUSE public healthcare is paid for by (forced) tax, not (voluntary) revenue. i am surprised chomsky would say something so easily refuted. this is as bad as him saying Jefferson was anti-capitalist, or that Africa = unfettered capitalism.
that said, i sympathise with chomsky's concern, i just disagree
people wanting just private healthcare will be taxed to pay for someone else's too, that's the unfairness. it's not complicated.
100CommonCents 10 months ago
How about we have it so that people wanting public healthcare pay an extra tax, and have this 100% go towards only the public healthcare system that they have exclusive right to use.
that way, people who want private healthcare can do so, and ppl for public healthcare also have their way.
... discuss
100CommonCents 10 months ago
i really wish people with a left bias (i once was to a degree) would just check out a good (yes, only IMO) book on free-market economics and kinda see the logic of where we come from. even if it left people poorer, i'd still support it (natural rights)
read: 'Economics in One Lesson' only 170pages, see amazon reviews
corporations are the ones lobbying for healthcare, and were pushing essentially the same bill with romney. (read, and see, some part are identical word-for-word)
obama = fraud
100CommonCents 10 months ago
@100CommonCents Where do you free market people come from? Is there some right wing group out there directing you people to every Chomsky video on Youtube, or are you just so afraid people will take democratic ideas seriously that you feel a necessity to advertise hyper-capitalist propaganda everywhere?
agapeiron 9 months ago
@agapeiron so it's propaganda to advocate the non-aggression principle & the right to property and liberty?
what do you disagree with?
btw ppl are free to act as a collective in a f/m
you're thinking of the corporate bullshit we have now - i'm not advocating that
also, laissez faire was historically defended by the LEFT in opposition to a regulated, high tax, highly favoured system we have now, see:
w w w . f f f . org / freedom / fd0706b . asp
i have read marx, lenin, proudon, rocker etc
100CommonCents 9 months ago
how can someone never pause like that all the words just come to him spooky to be honest
blockhart 10 months ago
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For some reason people deny this...
PurpleHoneyBear 10 months ago
In the UK we've had a free National Health Service alongside private health care since the 1950's I can't understand why the situation has been so different in the US
blueoystercult22 11 months ago
@blueoystercult22 Because there's tons of money in healthcare and that's the bottom line here in the U.S. Profits. Big business will not allow us to go universal because they would lose money and who wants to make LESS money right? So they will start laying off their workforce from the ground up to save money for themselves and their investors. Consider that they also own the media, so job loss will get all the publicity and people will rally around them for it. They own us, and they know it.
damaged01 10 months ago
Again, double-speak moron, I'm sure you have wonderful insurance through your tenured professorship. You hypocritical bastard. Take an economics course--maybe listen to some economists on Fox News; some intelligent discussion instead of your warped view. Why haven't you left the US yet? GET OUT.
lgormanable 11 months ago
@lgormanable You're mind numbingly stupid. Chomsky has spent most of his life as an intellectual and discusses economics regularly. He knows what he's talking about. Chomsky is the only good thing the US has. Idiot.
Btw: Fox News is not reputable at all.
tacoterrorist 11 months ago
i am confused... whos the good guy .... milton friedman or this guy ...
karmiclaw316 1 year ago
@karmiclaw316 Both actually.. but they have different views on how to acheive liberty. Friedman was more of a visionary and there is no way of telling if he was right. Probably never will be because mankind is to stupid to make anything of friedmans ideas. In the mean time, we´d probebly do best by listening a little more to chomsky.
TheGrindsprint 1 year ago
the corporate bastards want fascism, watch George Orwell's "1984". that is the end result of what they are pushing for... not communism, but totalitarian fascism.
MadXMax187 1 year ago
i love chomsky but every time i watch one of his lectures, i become freshly horrified at the state of our country. i'm not a violent person- i don't even kill bugs if i can help it- but sometimes i think, if things don't change, there'll be another civil war in america's future. this war will be fought over economic outrage: the many poor versus the 'opulant minority'.
freedo333 1 year ago
Yeah, he's right. Why isn't there a large movement for universal healthcare? If the polls are right and support is as high as it is, than why can't they organize like this te party.
And yet another example of corporate hypocrisy. "we can't compete, it's not fair" boo hoo, how many small businesses have said that and got scoffed at? between that and all the bailouts it's OBVIOUS that capitalism is not working in practice, much like socialism and communism didn't work.
unfortunatebeam 1 year ago
@unfortunatebeam ok, since capitalism and socialism as concepts nowadays seem to cover all aspects of all concievable ways of organizing a siciety, it seems we´re doomed if capitalism and socialism "didn´t work" . what would there be left? because of how the two words meaning have been inflated, there is now way you could have a society without either unless it´s a totalitarian one, in one way or the other
TheGrindsprint 1 year ago
@TheGrindsprint anarchism or fascism
13stevejohnson 1 year ago
@13stevejohnson idon´t understand your comment as a response to mine :)
TheGrindsprint 1 year ago
You know what i just realized watchig this? You can't beat them... join them... I'm going to become a republicn get rich of my imbicile base who votes against there owns interests and also sell a book about how I found jesus to make even mor money....
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
How does Obama's healthcare plan lower the cost of making a car?
DontEatEggs666 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this justification for the case that todays conservative ideas are complete madness.
peterphilip 1 year ago
All over craigslist there are nurse wanted things. They make a bunch of money why are there so few nurses available ?
Notarapeist 1 year ago
History, 10-20 years from now, will show that Obama is a true leader, and on the right side of history.
In Canada, the man who started National Health Care, is more popular than Wayne Gretsky, Michael J Fox, and Celine Dion combined!
toyotas2006 1 year ago
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
Im so thankful to my teacher for introducing me to Chomsky. The only teacher who ever made me read a Chomsky book in my college career... what I wouldve missed...
Ivan951 1 year ago 2
No one cares about human rights, environment, or education. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. This world (especially America) is focused on one thing: MORE MORE MORE MONEY. We need to stop competing financially AND START LIVING A LIFE WORTHY FOR ALL HUMANITY. Fuck money. Fuck capital.
amazingyou1uber 1 year ago 2
Do you realize that right now (to the MSM), Tiger Woods mental health is WAY more important than universal health care for all?
Will he win?
Will he talk to his wife today?
Will he see his kids 1 day a month?
What did he eat for lunch today?
All of the sports "pundits" endlessly psychonanalyze him. Are any of them trained doctors or therapists? No. But, when Tiger is your gravy train, who cares about that?
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
If he had his own channel wouldn't it give his message a little more power overall(vs. having others post everything for him)? Nothing against you or the others for trying to help.
I'm just thinking of how to potentially make a bigger MSM impact (the MOST WATCHED You Tube channel, and so on).
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
Good for you for posting this. How come Chomsky doesn't have his own channel?
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago 10
@whereismybailouttv
Noam has a wonderful website Chomsky.info
Many folks film and post Chomsky to different youtube channels.
On Chomsky.info you will find articles and videos that give you links to
popular youtube bits.
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ontheearthproduction 1 year ago 4
@whereismybailouttv lets make a youtube channel. or combine it with a guy names George Lakoff as well. very intelligent progressive professor at berkeley.... teaches cognitive linguistics check it out!
510AWOL 8 months ago in playlist smart shit
why does america have a healthcare system like this? because most americans are either greedy or idiots.
exbronco1980 1 year ago
Only a true genius could compare and explain the profound differences in our different wars through the decades, explain the anti-movement's positive effects on lessening inhumane, horrific war acts, generally speaking, and offfering the inciteful, and accurate perspective, as only Noam does.
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
Noam Chomsky's naivety is astounding....or is it just an act?
BadHabit202 1 year ago
But, Professor, how am I going to get my gold teeth fixed?
LOL
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
I have a a relative undergoing chemotherapy for cancer. One shot that he needs for his white blood cells costs as much as a used car. Four of those shots will cost $32,000. Not including the chemotherapy. I am uninsured, and had been putting off going to a doctor, when one fine evening I needed to use the emergency room. After being asked my social security number for a credit check and five hours of laying in a hallway, the doctor came in and said they don't know what's wrong. $4,000
outnout1 1 year ago 15
@outnout1 Something is very wrong.
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Obamas healthcare plan, as currently ratified, is about like Kissengers "Peace with Honor" when the US pulled out of Viet Nam. Obama campaigned on a healthcare plan with a public option and no mandate. What he signed has a mandate and no public option. He left the private ins. co.s in control. He called this real change. It is not.
Onlythefaceschange 1 year ago
Obamas healthcare plan, as currently ratified, is about like Kissengers "Peace with Honor" when the US pulled out of Viet Nam. Obama campaigned on a healthcare plan with a public option and no mandate. What he signed has a mandate and no public option. He left the private ins. co.s in control. He called this real change. It is not.
Onlythefaceschange 1 year ago 18
@Onlythefaceschange. Unfortunately, that was probably the best he could get. Obama underestimated the sway of insurance companies and right-wing nuts -- he figured his wave of popularity and the horrible abuses by insurance companies would be enough to push the PO through. Nope. The sad truth is that he had to fight tooth-and-nail against many of his own inner circle just to pass these small reform efforts. It's a tiny step in the right direction after decades in the wrong one.
gokinsmen 1 year ago
@Onlythefaceschange he couldnt get single payer or the public option through congress... what was he supposed to do? do nothing?
13stevejohnson 1 year ago
@Onlythefaceschange he couldnt get single payer or the public option through congress... what was he supposed to do? do nothing? sometimes you have to be a realist, not an idealist....
13stevejohnson 1 year ago
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Now, Chomsky, do I turn to thee, and mark my greeting well; for what I speak my body shall make good upon this earth, or my divine soul answer it in heaven. Thou art a traitor and a miscreant, too good to be so and too bad to live, since the more fair and crystal is the sky, the uglier seem the clouds that in it fly. Once more, the more to aggravate the note, with a foul traitor's name stuff I thy throat; and wish, ere I move, what my tongue speaks my right drawn sword may prove.
GreatGrumbledook 1 year ago
Free market also means that it is allowed to crush all the competition and eventually a few strong companies owns the whole market but it is still considered "free" , even though it has developed into corporatism/fascism. The elite companys has turned into something similiar to a well funtional state or like in the Usa where the richest companys rules the state in one way or another. USA has sadly turned into an fascist country.
Sweden80Here 1 year ago
Capitalism the root of ill health,poverty and dehumanisation A system of wage slavery of immense humanity for the abstract process of capital acccumulation and concentration for the control of a few. A politically manipulated market mechanism where human needs and well being are determined by profit motive and drive of the capitalist class. Capitalism the template of pepetual war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so forth
arzoyan 1 year ago
MetalDetroit 1 year ago
"Ho Chi Minh 20 million murdered"
Ummmm....yeah. You might have put a zero after the two there by mistake, but even with just a two I'd advise you to stop watching too many Chuck Norris movies.
cayetanoluis 1 year ago
@cayetanoluis I'm not talking about during the Vietnam War - Ever hear of the "killing fields" that happened after the Vietnam War? What was done to both the North and South Vietnamese.....
MetalDetroit 1 year ago
@MetalDetroit
"Ever hear of the 'killing fields' that happened after the Vietnam War?"
Sure, the ones in Cambodia - which, incidentally, the Vietnamese largely put an end to when they invaded the country some years later.
You're ascribing a level of mass murder to the Communists which is, frankly, ludicrous. Citing these ridiculous "figures" actually denigrates the victims. Like I said, you should hold back on the Churck Norris movies.
cayetanoluis 1 year ago
@cayetanoluis Cambodian massacres or Alleged State Communist massacres, the perpetrator is a state seeking power/resources or an entity seeking to become a state at all times subject to the trappings of state power.
Rcbquark 1 year ago
@Rcbquark Fuck off fag. I was telling him that he should stop watching so much Chuck Norris.
cayetanoluis 1 year ago
@cayetanoluis Weak.
Rcbquark 1 year ago
@MetalDetroit CAPITALISM: You and everyone else is just another commodity, you have a set value and are absolutely disposable. Yes you have opportunity for betterment (college) but it is highly costly. Tens of thousands of women in Capitalist nations must sexually degrade themselves to pay for a future that they deserve in the first place. The ideal political system does not yet exist, but our dignity and well-being must be guaranteed.
gewulentus 1 year ago
@gewulentus excellent.
You see the true value of something when you take the price tag off.
natmanprime 1 year ago
Capitalism is fine so long as you don't destroy American jobs in the process.
MartinPicasso92508 1 year ago
well capitalism has done exactly that, it has destroyed jobs and hundreds of thousands of them if not millions... You know 'free trade policies' all that crap designed for coporations to enrich themselves further abroad
xdeliriumx1 1 year ago
The corporate greed in this nation needs to be toppled. We are being dragged into a new techno middle ages. Banks and insurance companies have replaced the church the oversaw Europe, and we are being reduced to lowly peasants. The government is supposed to be a tool to protect us against corporate overreach but it has been bought by wall street and insurance companies and is thwarted in its efforts to help us. This must end.
riksw2 1 year ago 2
I have to agree with you. Too many uninformed and too much mis information. And still...too many do not want to be informed.
ndeamonk 1 year ago
interesting. ya i love people, but we can be so stupid and led so easily like sheep.
MISFITROBBY138 1 year ago
see that is true, but as long as capitalism exists greed follows, its the whole point of the system. You denounce corporations for beeing greedy sure but that is why they are there, to maximize profit and that has always been their goal. Thanks to your gvt and its different policies it has made it easier for them to maximize their profits abroad for example. So a big problem is the whole system as it is, because it isnt jsut gonna change by some miracle because its not in their interest to do so
xdeliriumx1 1 year ago
Perhaps we need to develop a system that works from the bottom up and not from the top down, within a Capitalist system.
MartinPicasso92508 1 year ago
I agree with you and that is even what Chomsky says is a good idea but do you really think that will happen? You need to mobilize the majority of the population to do that and also transform major institutions and how things are run.
xdeliriumx1 1 year ago
Chomsky has an aquiline Proboscis.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
kotash2- While you may think the US have better overall living standards, you are considering only a fraction of the US population. (Not to mention overall living standards are completely subjective). The US is the MOST unequal society among industrialized nations. Studies show this- re: any literature by Richard Wilkinson. Free market societies may be beneficial to some, but it is detrimental to the majority!
AlyssaA1 1 year ago 3
Anyone still talking about the free market is a f**cking clown. You live in La La land. The insurance companies are already on the government payroll. They take the same massive subsidies as the corn, oil, coal, and auto industries. The only people that live in the free market are poor people and look at how great their insurance is.
Jonobos 1 year ago 2
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GET TO THE FUCKING POINT CHOMSKY!
twistedbydsign99 1 year ago
it's called historical context and it doesn't fit into the 30 second sound bites you are used to.
If you want sound bites, go to nbc, cnn, fox, or any other corporate network.
tristramshandy3 1 year ago 4
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Opt out of blomacare..
Nobody wants it..
Its poison....
hadenufnow 1 year ago
Obummercare has to go away before real HC REFORM can occur::
..... Enact REAL VIABLE TORT REFORM.....
.................TOTALLY ELIMINATE THE MANDATE TO BUY.....................................................................allow competition across state lines and cheaper availability of generic drugs....a less LETHAL cut to Medicare rather than the HALF TRILLION proposed..eliminate abortion control, gun control vending machine control..& Don't even think of those 118 IRS style structures...
hadenufnow 1 year ago
he never talked about quality. He says other single payer systems are better because of universal coverage, which is one aspect, but the actual quality is much lower in canada. There are ways, within a capitalist free market to spread the ability of coverage.. without a complete centralized take over of 1 sixth of this nations economy
slapmaster7 1 year ago
@slapmaster7
The quality debate is terrible. The logic runs something like this. For those who can actually afford Health Care to maintain good care, they need millions and millions of people to receive no care. It's amazing how inhuman people can be.
The "capitalistic free market" has had YEARS to spread coverage, but the only thing that has happened is higher costs and less coverage. It's not even valid to make the point because it ignores the last 20-30 years of evidence otherwise.
toddghall 1 year ago 5
the "free market" hasn't been free for healthcare. Companies are not allowed to sell accross state lines and each state requires companies to cover certain things and follow certain regulations. I hate how people always turn strait to the government to take over. we haven't made any changes to the healthcare system in the past 40 years, so now we should jump straight to government take over. centralized power was what our government was created to avoid.
slapmaster7 1 year ago
Is there ANY free market in this country?
At least if they can't sell over state lines, they can't turn Healthcare into Walmart.
take your centralized power argument to police forces, firefighters, education, etc. Maybe we should make all of these institutions capitalistic in a "free market" then the Wealthy can monopolize their safety and education just as they have their Health Care.
toddghall 1 year ago 18
@toddghall ---No, there is no "free market," & by free market I mean its value rises & falls according to it composite worth, not according whether it's measured up to the prognostications of tea-leaf readers, speculators, & other such obscurantists.
CocteauDalighari 1 year ago
@toddghall NO, there is NO free market in the USA. The Federal Reserve System must be abolished, and the criminal mass murdering bankers of the Debt Syndicate must be arrested for War Crimes, and Crimes Against Humanity.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@toddghall
turn health care into walmart? you mean make it easily available to the general public at rock-bottom prices? that would be awful! lol
police/firefighters are locally-run public services. also, our increasingly federalized government-run education is the butt end of a global joke and needs privatization
anway, we don't have gov't medical insurance because the canadian/euro nanny state is decaying, despite that they only pay for a small military since they're under our umbrella.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster Sure Walmart has cheap stuff but what are the hidden costs? Jobs over seas. Lower paying jobs. Less small business. You have to look beyond the surface.
Same thing with education. You have to look beyond the surface. We have the greatest educational system in the world. More money should be invested in it. Classrooms should be half the size they are now. Especially in English classes.
Your have too much American arrogance to see the successes in Canadian and Euro Health care.
toddghall 1 year ago
@toddghall
the world is more competitive than it used to be, and after enviro-regulations and legacy costs we are less so. you want manufacturing back? so do i. but i doubt you'll do what it takes to get it back
the rise of gov't education spending is twice the rate of inflation. this is the law of diminishing returns. we need innovation, not a bigger price tag
canadian/euro medical insurance is falling apart. no choice, poor service, and when they're really sick they come here.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster
You're right. I don't want to compromise the earth to produce more material to fulfill a manufactured human need. The place we need innovation is clean renewable energy. In, fact the innovation is there, so ask yourself why we don't do it?
Thank standardization for the cost of education. Now Billions must be paid to Macmillan/McGraw-Hill and Houghton Mifflin so every student can be on the same page.
What we need is smaller class rooms and more teachers.
toddghall 1 year ago
@toddghall Again, all your doing is listening to Fox News. How can I tell you ask? Because everything you say comes right out of their standard lexicon.
I'll accept for certain situations they have longer waits. We don't have those waits because we have too many people unable to be a part of the system. I believe in first come first serve. Health should be a human right, not a system of those who can pay most get primary care.
toddghall 1 year ago
@toddghall
alt energy requires heavy subsidization, lowering efficiency and raising cost of living. don't blame walmart for job loss if you support the cause of outsourcing.
standardization was a response to failing gov't schools. private schools have better everything, including smaller classrooms (at a lower cost, too).
i don't watch network news. healthcare as a "right" means forced servitude from providers and waiting lines mean deprivation. i'm not as afraid of liberty as you are
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster
I don't support the cause of outsourcing. Don't know where you got that. Renewable energy is available, but we will wait until we completely exhaust the supply of natural gas and oil. Yay Capitalism.
The response to education was manufactured. Corporations have a monopoly on book supplies. People need to re-evaluate what being educated means. It's not numbers on tests. Privatizing education will perpetuate class boundaries.
Deprivation to who? The wealthy? That's the point.
toddghall 1 year ago
@toddghall
regulations inducing higher costs cause outsourcing. cap and trade would be a step towards your fabled "renewable" economy, but a leap away from economic growth.
outperforming others is a mark of capacity and class. it's a good thing.
depriving people who reach their rationed portion of gov't medical care, or placed in lines for bottlenecked services. gov't doesn't wink away problems, but merely distorts them making them harder to solve.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster
Stop outsourcing by raising import export taxes. It's an issue of supply and demand not regulation. The world has a surplus of labor and billions suffer because of it. Point to whatever BS you want, that's the bottom line and that's capitalism.
Well educated people will naturally strive to do their best. They don't need carrots dangled in front of them. If your only motivation is to beat the Jones' you fail to realize your humanity.
no 1 should suffer health related issues.
toddghall 1 year ago
@toddghall
isolationism is economic suicide. meanwhile, cheap imports lower cost of living (mitigating job loss) while forcing us to improve our production capacity. work is not an end unto itself
motivated people do their best. gain is encouragement, confiscation is discouragement. this is the way of life, a child can understand it so why is it above your head?
okay, you're trolling. well played, you had me going for a while
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster Free market deregulation in this industrial society will result in a competitive labour market leading to lowered salaries and lowered spending, i.e. a downward spiral of earning less, spending less and producing less, it also favors criminal countries who exploit labour. Free market in practise does not offer job opportunity, it leads to soaring competition, credit crisis and job loss.
August1977 1 year ago
@August1977
@August1977
excessive wages/consumption lead to lower wages/consumption, and lower leads to higher-- this is the principle of nature abhorring a vacuum. you can't increase or decrease forever, they happen in cycles.
the current problem is china's currency manipulation, not free market principles. we need to force them to stop fueling the vacuum that's sucking jobs into their economy
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster So just wait for the dollar to drop and hope it will create a favorable situation for domestic production so that we can become the China of tomorrow. International bankers aided by modern information technology will speed up the rhythm of economic contraction and expansion but in a downward spiral. Non of the players will ever escape the poverty line and that's the reality we see today in South America.
August1977 1 year ago
@August1977
again, nothing grows forever. until you accept this basic tenant of reality you'll always be a fearful reactionary. a relative decline isn't nearly what the nightmarish illusions you've put in your mind-- the USA has far and away the highest standard of living, so south american shitholes do not compare.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster The high standard of living in the US is the effect of it being a consumer society running up a trade deficit. The only thing sustaining the value of the dollar is the international political power of the US and its ability to dictate policies in other countries. This is not a healthy sustainable position and ones that's over there is nothing stopping the US from becoming the next economic shithole for the international group of bankers and investors.
August1977 1 year ago
@August1977
so... you complain about declining domestic wealth, but also complain about the things that got us to this point? hilarious. wildly exaggerating the danger of the situation isn't helping you here. :/
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster The situation is quite dangerous. Preceeding the US occupation of Iraq in 2001/2002 was the Iraqi government converting their Wall Street loan from Dollars to Euros, hence the perceived potential of the Euro that existed. As it happened, the Euro has gone from strenght to strength and the US has incurred a $2.5 trillion debt.
The best salvation available to America is that Europe takes on America's debt and succeeds all of your political power.
owenhunt 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster America's best bet is to rely on a Europe whose people still have much goodwill towards Americans.
Nobody can exagerrate the sheer excess of the US in the years following the World War
owenhunt 1 year ago
@toddghall agree.
Rkmomenah 1 year ago
Why not have private police and fire and military? couldn't the free market provide cheaper law enforcement? Do you see the insanity in private health care?
wowaddict1973 1 year ago 2
If propaganda wasn't running rampant, we would actually listen to our intelligentsia comprised of men like Chomsky.
toddghall 1 year ago 31
@toddghall well said sir!!!!!!!
ceasewon 1 year ago
Opt out of blomacre..
Nobody wants it...
Its poison!
hadenufnow 1 year ago
Hostile Negotiator writes vastly too many comments.
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
The American public has had more propaganda pumped into it in 15 years than Nazi Germany had during the Hitler regime. Good intentioned people give money to churches that rape children, they pay for their own enslavement and willingly sign military contracts for further enslavement. At this point I'm willing to accept the theory of the brain infection parasite, and the mind control efforts. These people are more like parrots than apes. Well, a combination of regurgitation and mimicking behavior.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
Health care reform is not socialized health care. However, we need the public option for those who cannot afford the insurance. The current system is too expensive and it does not work even for those who are insured. For example, my insurance pays for viagra but not birth control. My insurance pays for AA and NA but not quitting smoking. Pharma is through the roof. I agree with Chomsky here, democracy is not functioning. Some people and even some senators don't know what they are talking about.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
The purpose of the Healthcare Legislation is to slowly transform the United States into a Socialist Totalitarian State.
David Rockefeller himself says that we must "convince Americans that Socialism is really Capitalism."
AnonymousWhitePerson 1 year ago
We've been a tyranny; we are in tyranny now and it has been Totalitarian under the banking cartel since 1913. Do your own research. Socialism is the backbone of the greatest democracies in the world. "We the people" is a socialist wording written into the constitution of most democracies. Don't be fooled by the scare tactics. Rockefeller is referring to corporate welfare and has been successful at his propaganda to convince people that the public welfare is "bad" but corporate welfare is "good."
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
Rockefeller: Class A Director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York;
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
Now that I have cut you down, I have a question. I have lot's of questions. 1) What is the definition of common wealth? 2) What is the definition of socialism? 3) What is the definition of totalitarian? 4) What is the definition of democracy?
You're a day late and a few trillion dollars short of a six pack buddy. Corporate welfare has already been institutionalized and is socialist and totalitarian. We live under the Federal Reserve and have been since 1913. Read a real book, propaganda is bad.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
Socialism has nothing to do with toralitarianism! Look at Nigeria, Congo, Niger, Bolivia before Morales, Taiwan, Thailand... All these capitalist countries have massive poverty. Poverty = totalitarianism 'cause people can't do anything because they are poor. Nobody listens to a poor man's voice, nobody cares about the poor man asking foor democracy, food, healthcare. Totalitarianism is a country where the people are worth nothing. Sovjet Union was a stalinist country, not a socialist.
Corebyheart 1 year ago
The power elite do not want health care reform, nor any reform at all. They are perfectly happy with the 3000% hijacking of the common wealth. And yes, common wealth is SOCIALIST. So who you gonna give your common wealth to? The people? Or the Banksters? It's common wealth because it's for the people. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and leave me the fuck alone!
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
Get out of the world moon child. The only troll here is you. Chicken Hawk. Nuff said. Fighting the "culture war" is like admitting you are a Nazi. Get out of the US CHICKEN HAWK.
HostileNegotiator 1 year ago
I have embedded the code in my Facebook page. Yes, it is sad that Howard Zinn is gone, but we still have Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, and many others. My students are currently devouring the Parenti Reader. I remind them that one must do primary research in order to be an informed citizen, and not rely on secondary or derivative work from others who merely parrot what the "respected" marionettes in academia have to say (e.g., CHE).
MorriganBella 2 years ago
when did howard zinn die? thats a damn shame he was a good man
djboony 2 years ago
I think it was the 27th of february
Corebyheart 1 year ago
I lament the fact only 28, 590 people have viewed this video. Of that portion not all may be American. It would be good news to me, if at least all the liberals in America viewed this video, but for some reason that is not happening. I have a hard time persuading even m liberal relatives to watch or listen to Noams Videos. It seems philosophical prejudices affects even liberals.
franklikespolitics 2 years ago 8
thank you for your thoughtful response. The group PDA
and the Nation mag. posted this video to their websites.
Now that Howard Zinn is gone. Noam and a few others have a big responsibility. People like you, trying to get others engaged, are more helpful then you can imagine.
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ontheearthproduction 2 years ago
@franklikespolitics Truly free-minded, objective ,"questioning one's own beliefs" types, are few and far between, in America, anyways. I hear alot of them reside in Vermont, Oregon, Washington, etc. Haven't been to these states yet, unfortunately.
TheArbiter74 1 year ago
@TheArbiter74 The capitalist and their apologist are on duty 24/7 planting weeds in fertile otherwise great minds. This is being challenged spontaneously by some critical thinkers that are posting here. What would have a more profound effect, if there was a political party that truly represented the interests of the working class, that could organize every critical thinker that has posted here. that would indeed be a powerful force.
franklikespolitics 1 year ago
@franklikespolitics
Yah, America doesn's listen scholars such as Chomsky:
America watches porn; talks about football, basketball and the like worthless issues...(I am not an American)..., the shift of the attention of the public to the irrelevant topics is one of the signs of the collapse of American civilization, same tto that of Rome
1Delu 1 year ago
@1Delu , there is a country where current events are more important than the World Cup? Wow! I am not a sport fan myself. I wish I could get more people involved in topics like we are discussing here.
franklikespolitics 1 year ago
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GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
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barquedust 2 years ago
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MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
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MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
so what did the voters of massachussets want? clearly they were voting against obama care. that would make chomskys statement that the main desire of americans is health care reform untrue. do you think its possible he actually doesn't know what he is talking about?
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
@MardiGrasMambos right, Obama care, not health care reform. Obama care is not proper reform; it's a joke.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
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fuck this old man COMMUNIST
suzuki22girl 2 years ago
excuse me?
EvanWells1 2 years ago
@suzuki22girl What is a communist, girl?
Fighting31406 1 year ago
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you mean people don't have the opportunity to enter the market?
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
free market implies that a business either gains or losses according to their actions. An example would be a coal plant that sells it's product in the open market and makes a profit, great. But wait they discharge the polluted water that was created in harvesting the coal into the local stream. The community is paying a high price dealing with the clean-up of toxic water while the corporation makes money. On and on it goes...
ontheearthproduction 2 years ago
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oh im glad you brought that up, all you libs love to point to the devastation of coal plants, which is way overblown by the way, but yet you benefit from the electricity it creates? have you stopped to consider how many people you would condemn to death by forcing people to "environmentally safe" (by your definition) energy and consequently raising the cost of that energy? think about it for a second. in other words, have you ever, even for a second considered the benefit peoiple get from it?
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
Yah, in the short term that's true Mardi. However, the infrastructure should be replaced if its causing environmental damage. I'm not in favour of joblessness either, but they should be replaced if its going to cause consequences that future generations have to live with. I'm in favour of replacing the grid with nuclear power. There's the problem of radioactive waste, but, overall, its less harmful than greenhouse gasses. In the long run, a renewable replacement to that would be preferable.
TheCynicalLiberal 2 years ago
Have you thought about the fact that we ALL will die if we don't do something fast? The USA is a rich and big country. You could switch easily to green energy, it's the rich private owners of coals plants and nuclear plants that are lobbying against green energy.
Corebyheart 1 year ago
China gets nuklear plants is a good way to go so I have a problem when liberals want to use wind and all power which is much more expensive.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
Because it's still bad for the environment. If you care about freedom, you care about freedom for others. The next generations will drown in nuclear waste if we don't stop it. We force the next generations to find solutions for our mistakes. We take their future away from them. Green energy is the way to go.
Corebyheart 1 year ago
Totally true, where free market should be preferred for small one person to mid sized companies, big giants should be treated like "sui genris" entities, with specific laws that protect the public from them. They are always retrieving small entrepreneurs votes, and use the free market law's for totally monopolistic goals. That's why the country has turned into something very like communist in the USSR, with propaganda, no freedom of speech etc...
bewaver 2 years ago
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Communists and socialists are against free market; that is the dictators in charge are against it. The people arent though. If you hate free market there are plenty of un-free market societies to choose from. Feel free to move there, and quit trying to fck up ours.
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
because profit matters more than anything else in this system, human life has no value compared to MONEY.
xdeliriumx1 2 years ago 2
why dont people like this run the world why arent we lead by smart people why arent poltics concernd with comman sense
murray1234567891011 2 years ago
Because common sense isn't convenient.
Derleiter17 2 years ago
yeah for making people richer than they ever have to be at the expence of others
murray1234567891011 2 years ago
.....And we all know, there were fag like you during this disaster.
idliketosay 2 years ago
"Most" Americans? Chomsky doesn't speak for 'ANY' Americans, he is not an elected representative. He needs to stop generalizing and promulgating his socialist (now anarchist?) agenda. Chomsky only has a Phd in Anthropology and specialized in linguistics. He is ridiculed at MIT for having a "second career". He is not a political scientist nor an economist. SHUT UP CHOMSKY!
pollywogA1 2 years ago
He sure is good at riling up the libs though, too bad none of them know what its like to live under the socialism he promotes.
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
You people really need to learn to understand the difference between socialism and stalinist countries like USSR, North Korea, China. Bolivia, Venezula and Argentina are trying to become real socialist countries. Argentina actually was one but the freemarket destroyed their economy and public institutions.
Corebyheart 1 year ago
I doubt that he is ridiculed----he is the most quoted person alive on earth right now, for goodness sake!
tonybonez 2 years ago
@tonybonez On the contrary. At a Chomsky seminar presemptuously entitled "An Evening with Chomsky" held at the Kresge Auditorium at MIT, he was ridiculed by MIT people. Students from India heckled him constantly and he is ridiculed for having "a second career" at MIT. He is considered an a back number and also-ran.
pollywogA1 2 years ago
@pollywogA1
What does this mean --
"He is considered an a back number and also-ran. "
OK maybe the faculty at MIT playfully jib at him for having a "second career" as the voice of the left and most prolific author of a generation, but to act like he is not a genius just makes you look folish...
are you kidding when you say that "He is not a political scientist nor an economist." Even famed conservative William Buckley claims he is the voice of the new left!!!!
Why should he shut up?
tonybonez 2 years ago
Appreciate the "heckling," but I wonder if they offer a reasoned disagreement with Chomsky? That's the more important question. Moreover, I wonder if this may say something about the tendency to atomize studies in the academy?
metavoice 2 years ago
Polywog?r u the only one the web that knows about this heckling becaues no matter how and where you look it up the only mention of chomsky being heckled lead directly to this thread and this thread alone
ell500o 2 years ago
So you can only comment on and participate in politcs if you have a degree in political science? Go and see if all the stupid talking heads at the 24hr news channels have one. Its is not Noam Chomsky that needs to shut up, its people like you: elitist and ignorant.
teamwinstonismad 2 years ago
I really agree but left-wing thinkers should protect freedom of speech even if these right-wing clownes say something stupid. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky
Corebyheart 1 year ago
Quite the axe you have to grind against Chomsky. Try to dicredit Chomsky by questioning his academic creds? You MUST be desperate. He is ridiculed at MIT? How do you know? Do you speak for the ENTIRE MIT community? HAHAHAHA
Paolo7219 2 years ago
i dont give a fuck what this dude says but his voice is like warm butter in my ears
TuMira85 2 years ago 2
They are unhealthy because they don't take care of themselves, because they think its the governments job, because you idiots make them believe that. We saw it in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina. They stayed there because they dont understand how to take care of themselves. Liberalism is a disease. You guys perpetuate and defend it because you are stupid.
MardiGrasMambos 2 years ago
the people who were trapped in New Orleans and died, had no way out. No transportation and city agencies did not get moving fast enough. The government you want already exists. It's a pity, humanity can do better.
ontheearthproduction 2 years ago