50,000 Canadian Children Murdered by Priests/Nuns: TeleGracia Investigates - 3/4

[mikecorbeil]

It seems to surely be a reason why I'm very sensitive about soldiers suffering from PTSD, for my childhood experiences also caused this condition. It certainly hasn't been as bad as for the soldiers, but has still been noticeable and sometimes a real hindrance; harmful to myself and some relations. The counselor also told me that many people wouldn't understand (due to ignorance), so I should be careful in speaking about all of this history.

Well, victims have rights. Let the ignorant be ign.

[mikecorbeil]

A very good family couselor I met for sev. yrs, wkly (1980s), mostly listened. Very frustrating. I wanted quick healing. But, his approach, he said, was to listen and let the person speak, to try to help the person to self-heal. He repeated plenty of times that I'm "marqué pour la vie", scarred for life, psych., and I haven't been able to see that he's mistaken; unable to forget childhood abuses unless life begins to go well (rarely).

It's deep, in the mind, and the memories trigger defence.

[mikecorbeil]

"The deepest scars are those we cannot see"?

Very much agree, esp. due to personal experience.

When I was child in Massachusetts, there was a common expression, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me". True, about name-calling; but, abuse of children by adults is not mere name-calling. There sometimes is only verbal abuse, and I've witnessed very offencive abuse of this sort; but a lot of the abuses are physical, as well, forming deep scars.

[lucypunch]

Kevin Annett is a media starved faggot.

[muchdeep89]

@lucypunch yeah let's continue to let tens of thousands of children be murdered because Annet is a faggot... That makes perfect sense!

[realzoomy]

Kevin Annett was persecuted by the Church for trying to get to the truth about child abuse.

I prayed outside a Catholic church for the victims of child abuse and they called the police out to me! For PRAYING!

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy Who called the police out to go after you for praying? Surely not victims of these child abuses.

If they're the ones who called the police in, then you must've surely been doing something out-of-place, praying in an improper manner; or maybe it was due to your lack of religious sensibility. These victims were abused by the Churches and govts. If you prayed aloud, then you could understandably be perceived as offencively ignorant. Do your prayers in private, Jesus said, as well.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil I am one of the victims of Staffordshire Pindown institutional child abuse. I was raped as a child and placed as a "place of safety" with people who were pimping us kids. I certainly wasnt shouting if thats what you mean - just QUIETLY praying outside the locked church door. Perhaps you would rather [eople like me didnt bexist at all, is that it? So now we are not even allowed to complain to God about the vile way we have been treated? I hope you get persecuted as I have been.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil You dfont want me to even be allowed to complain to God. Thats not even Biblical! I WILL carry on complaining to God, as I have no -one else to complain to. We Pindown survivors didnt have anyone to complain to when we were kids, and nothing has changed now. Praying in an improper manner! What the hell is that supposed to mean? So now there are blinking prayer police or something? I was praying from a broken heart!!!!!

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy Sorry for any misunderstanding, for there clearly has been this between us. You were/are not moaning or wrongly complaining, and I'ld never deny you or anyone else the right to pray.  I just thought that when you were praying and was asked to leave, you were praying aloud next to victims of these horrific church and state crimes; some or many of these acts seeming satanic-like, imo.

I thought maybe some of you have been so badly injured that some can't stand to hear anyone praying.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil No, I am one of the Staffordshire Pindown abuse surviivors, and I feel so very very very sorry for all the other child abuse survivors. I thought you were being nasty to me. I'm sorry I thought you were telling me I had no right to grieve. The church warden set the police on me, I wasnt shouting or making much noise, I was just standing on the doorstep of the closed church and weeping, I was praying PLEASE GOD HELP THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSED

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy i empathize with you about your suffering, having no doubt that the pain is very great for many victims like yourself, and others; many Palestinians and Indigenous peoples around the world, fe. Never would you catch me denying you any rights. I can only be supportive of all of your efforts to obtain some real justice. It won't undo the evils committed, but justice remains important, essential.

Michael Hayes was dead wrong in telling you to stop praying. Jesus would throw him out.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil I'm sorry I misjudged you. I have the paedophiles mocking me and abusing me on my anti child abuse channel. They are like sewer rats, they are completly shameless. I even had them pulling me apart on the Mothers for Justice website, they pretended to help the nice Christian lady who set it up, and took over the admin. I get so spiky and defensive, because they have hurt me so much. Im still here though praise the Lord!

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil And at the Protestant church over the road where I used to go Rev Michael Hayes he tried to stop me praying as well. I wasnt making any noise at all but other people, when they found out what I was praying for, they wanted to join in, and he didnt like it. We werent doing any harm or making any noise at all!Everyone else was having tea and chatting, he just didnt like us praying, then I found out he is a Jesuit! He was in charge of a Protestant church!

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil The Catholics have been forcing the victims of their priest rapists to sign documents, they cant get compensation unless they sign gagging agreements, and if they break them and go to the press they can go to jail for 2 years or have to pay massive fines, really big fines like £20,000. It is evil. All they want to do is cover it up and they even want to stop their victims telling God about it!. I hurt so much inside, it never goes away.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy wrote : "The Catholics have been forcing the victims of their priest rapists to sign documents, ..."

No churches have any right to do this and Jesus would throw all of the people responsible for this injustice OUT on their heads. The churches shouldn't be able to sue any of you or have you fined. It's insane and another injustice, and Jesus said to keep the church and state separate; to not combine the two. Many Church elites and other members don't listen to him; hypocrites!

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil Well that is exactly what they are doing in Ireland, and I suspect in Jersey. I don't know about Staffordshire because I have been denied the right to have my case against Chadswells childrens home and Staffordshire Social Services heard in court - the police dropped the case, after my solicitor Richard Wise died. He was a good man, he was helping us Pindown survivors, and he died suddenly. The newspapers said he had been ill a long time, that was an absolute lie.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy It's what they're doing in Ireland, you say, and it's definitely not at all difficult to believe. Jesus said that "all human institutions will fail", and the institutional churches were established by humans. Jesus never established any; having only taught how his God, The Father, desires for humans to live; like, by loving our neighbours as we love ourselves. He didn't say fellow Christian neighbours, but simply neighbours, so all neighbours without discrimination.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy If they truly lied about Richard Wise, and you do seem to know what you're talking about, alright, then there's covering up going on, and that's done when crimes or wrongs have been committed. We can hide good things, to protect them from the criminals, but this is an innocent case of covering things up. But what you're talking about is not about any innocent motives; clearly not.

There's far too much human evil in our world!

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil I have posted the document on my blog ZOOMPADS BLOG, THE POSTING IS TITLED VICTIMS OF INSTITUTIONAL CHILD ABUSE THREATENED WITH PRISON IF THEY BREAK SECRET ACT , dated Saturday, 27 August 2011. A lady sent me the document so I posted it up where everyone can see it. I think it is absolutly disgusting.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy Thanks for the doc. re. the threat of prison when people break the secrecy act. I found the page at your blog and will bookmark it to read later, not presently having time.

It's very credible. After all, we know about the RCC threat to excomm. victims of paedophelia by clergy, unless the victims and their families kept all of this secret. "The cat is out of the bag" now, but this threat was a secret law to enforce secrecy/silence for a long time in the RCC.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy I don't see how anyone can enforce secrecy acts against any of you. I often said the US Constitution and govt couldn't be legally established with the laws that exist today, and that it's tragic history. But there are good laws and MNN says much was based on the Aboriginals' Great Law, if recalling the name correctly. With these laws, the Cdn Charter of Human Rights, etc., they can't enforce this secrecy act against any of you. They can only do it by breaking multiple laws.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil They can't legally. But the police don't know the law, there are plenty of decent people in the police, but they just don't understand the law. They are being spoonfed the EU laws, which have been illegally sneaked in. Thusd you have the crazy situationm where the rights for gay people take more presidence than the rights of people not to be raped or even murdered. The Liverpool Care Pathway is involuntary euphenasioa, as bad as the holocaust gas chambers.

[realzoomy]

@realzoomy Well, like Kevin Annett I am a Christian, so I put my faith in God. And like Kevin, I am an outcast as far as the church is concerned. The vicar doesnt want bme in my local church, he told me that I dont belongt there. I'm not welcome in any of them, the reason is because I am a victim of Pindown who refuses to be gagged. They all want me to shut up and pretend nothing happened, and I wont!

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy euphenasioa?

I think you mean euthenasia, but maybe you mean something else.

And I don't know that "there are plenty of decent people in the police force"; knowing there are some, but not plenty. And people in law enforcement have little or no excuse for not knowing, understanding, applying and defending the laws involved, but they regularly support corrupt leadership and breakage of laws that're in place.

I also won't bother blaming the EU for US and Ca "law" enforcement.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil Yes, euthenasia, but the Bible calls it murder. The police - they brainwash them, they undermine their ability to tell right from wrong. They persecute them and even kille them if they try to take on the international paedophile ring. Google Lenny Harper, he was the officer in charge of the HDLG investigation, he has had a dreadful kicking from the gangsters.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy They can only do it by breaking multiple laws, so they shouldn't be able to enforce the secrecy act. But, these govts are constantly breaking many laws. There're people with variably good consciences in govt, but these people aren't those in power; having either little or else no real influence. Unable to stop corruption when they're aware of it, they're definitely more incapable of stopping corruption they're unaware of. The leaderships are CORRUPT, entirely.

I wish you all SUCCES

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil I got abused in private. They locked us up. I got locked iun a stinking cell for being a victim of child abuse. And no, I wont stop moani8ng abouty it, because noone has apologised for what they did. Why should I just fade away, just because it makes people like you and the cretins who called the police on me (for praying) feel uncomfortable! It was disgusting what they did to us as children and I am not goiung to just fade away!

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy I don't think you're moaning and don't think to have said that.

I grew up victim of phys. and psych. aggression many yrs. A family counselor I met wkly for 5 yrs during 1980s said I'm psychologically scarred for life. Esp. when times aren't good, I can see that he's right.

There's also the "Enfants Duplessis" era in Quebec, Ca. Many children, including one guy I know, were victims of that Quebec govt. CPA also earned a bad reputation.

You people had it worse than me tho.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil I have just as much right as you doi to go to a church and talk to God at a church, why should anyone set the police on me for praying to God at the house that is SUPPOSED to be built for God? The church is supposed to be where people can talk to God! Where does it say in the Bible that broken hearted people cant talk to God about their grief? It doesnt, and noone should grieve God by persecuting a broken hearted woman calling out to her God for help.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy Of course you have the right to go to a church, and the right to talk to God at church, home, out in the fields, when walking through forest, .... What I thought you meant was that when the people booted you out, you would've been praying aloud while among activists against these church and state crimes and some of the activists booted you out or asked you to leave due to their sensitivities. If they're not the people who booted you out, then pray anywhere and anytime you want.

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy So, I clearly misunderstood who booted you out or asked you to leave because you were praying aloud.

Who did that to you, exactly? A church, police, ...?

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil It was a church warden of a Catholic church in Market Drayton. He didn't ask me to leave, he snook up behind me, I thought he was coming to me to pray with me but he just went into the church wardens house, and called the police. I was really shocked him doing that. The other vicar, Michael Hayes, he is a Jesuit, he tried to stop me praying SILENTLY in the prayer room after the service because other people wanted to join in and he didnt like it.

[realzoomy]

@mikecorbeil You might find this hard to believe, but it still hurts really bad what they did to me. It never goes away. They persecuted us and tried to deliberatly criminalise us. Some of the Pindown victims are dead, they turned to drugs and committed suicide. I didnt, I turned to God, but they wont even let me do that!!! They want us Pindown survivors to just go quietly away like poisoned rats. and die. Well I wont!

[mikecorbeil]

@realzoomy I certainly don't find it difficult to believe, at all, that you still suffer. I've also been able to understand that military troops, many, developed PTSD. Being "scarred for life", psychologically, is something I know of first-hand, after having grown up for many years a victim of gratuitous physical and psychological aggressions. My scarring, internal wounds, aren't and never were anywhere as bad as for yourselves, but it's enough to have personal experience with such injuries.

[SilverRedIndigo]

The Vatican has had a "presence" in Israel since the Crusades.

Search: The Teutonic Order of Jerusalem.

[mikecorbeil]

@SilverRedIndigo wrote : "The Vatican has had a "presence" in Israel since the Crusades."

S'cuse me, but that's irrelevant, today, for what Rev. Kevin Annett and the others are trying to do, that is.

It's not irrelevant if wanting to learn about ancient Church history, but is very irrelevant for the movement that Kevin Annett is one of the leaders, today.

Try to avoid muddying the waters, because it then becomes very difficult to properly or accurately see through them.