Who cares that Alexander and Hephaestion can be called gays? Their love is way way more beautiful than Romeo and Juliet's to me. The most beautiful and heartbreaking. Stronger than the death.
love love and lots of it .back then its free to adore someone man or woman or even a building.before being so fat is a beautiful thing.and old men having boyfriends is a fad.Romans do it that way.The statue of David is sculpted by a man who worship human body and who happens to be a young man.
We know they were Lovers.. It is Part of History!!! Some would like it not to be Known. I'm sure a lot of Great Men had Male Lovers.. It just seems it was buried along with them.. Being Gay isn't a weakness.. It takes someone STRONG to be their TRUE SELF!
loving a man was not considered weakness those times. Greeks were especially fond of beauty and perfection, no matter if its male or female or even a building. They were chasing perfection in all aspects, the quote " Ever to Excel" comes from homers iliad. Dont compare modern times and society with one 2000 years ago, back then there were not so many rules and taboo's.
Note: Not all were homo/heterosexual, there was also a non sexual love relationship between men called "platonic love"
i dont wanna debate with u, if u remember we be doing these over 5 times(check ur past comments and messages). U right, greeks didnt exist that time, Plato was a LIAR, Aristotle was a Liar, Titius Livius was a Liar, in fact every single person(greeks, romans, jews, persians, armenians) of antiquity was a liar since they all mention greeks(from Sophocles, Aeschylus, Ovidius to jewish psalms). Even the inscriptions in greek temples and tombs are fake, especially in Philips tomb.
Is this what u want to read? Then read it, its coming from a greek. I bet it should make u feel more Macedonian now(no matter if u are or not). If yes then i'll paraphrase u what Archidamus king of Sparta aswered to Philip when Philip sent a threatening message to sparta, the message was this:
"If you measure your own shadow, you would not find that it has become any greater or bigger than last night"
dont understand what i mean? You will one day, i'm just giving u food for thought
yeah im telling u the same. Greeks never existed, all the things u'll find about greece are lies. Even the Pope when in 11th century a.d. adressed to the emperor of byantium as "emperor of the hellenes" he was obviusly joking. Only macedonians existed but somehow there was no macedonian state for over 2000 years, nevermind that is bullshit that historians say. U keep believing ur goverment, Michael Jackson is macedonian, Samuil is Macedonian, Mother Teressa is macedonian.
@dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
@dimalex8@dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
The inscription of general Pausania in Delphoi where he wrote "Dedicated to apollo for the victory of Hellenes against the barbarians" is a lie, how he wrote it when there was no greek around in 450 b.c.?
If i judge by the level of education in many macedonians(there are exceptions, few but there always are exceptions who r educated and not brainwashed) the only man on earth that i can believe he was macedonian is George W. Bush Jr. Yep same sharp mind, same attitude a true neomacedonian.
@dimalex8 . Reed the many thesisses of professor Snodgrass, Emeritus Professor in Classical Archeology at the University of Cambridge: about "Archeology and the Greek State and Archeological Survey" and many more. He did research especially about the Archaic period of Greece (800 BC - 450 BC) that followed the period called The Greek Dark Ages (1200 BC - 800 BC) so there was a Greece long before 450 BC. There is a lot more research about this topic where the Western civilisation was born.
@dimalex8 Further more: Alexander inherited the idea of an invasion of the Persian Empire from his father Philip whose advance-force was already out in Asia in 336 BC. Philips campaign had the slogan of "freeing the Greeks" in Asia and "punishing the Persians" for their past sacrileges during their own invasion (a century and a half earlier) of Greece. No doubt, Philip wanted glory and plunder."There is a lot of research about the early Greek years, read them first before commenting nonsense.
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the best alexander/hephaistion fanvideo on youtube. the movie would be complete trash, if not for farrell and leto. they created one of the greatest on-screen love-relationships in recent years. it was bold to portray them this way in a major blockbuster movie, even in 2004 (or 2011 as it turns out). it should be acknowledged more.
This is the best Alexander/Hephaistion video I've seen. :) and Alexander is my favorite movie, but Jared Leto's performance just MADE that movie. Love it.
@ariaxwilden totally agree with you. I LOVE ALEXANDER, THE MOVIE and I love Colin Farrell but.. without Jared Leto, OUR Hephaistion, it would be impossible.
@NingyoHimeDoll Alexander was very likely to be a bi-sexual anyway as it was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Macedonia to have a male lover as well as a wife
@zosko1 I know ^^ and I support that. I meant that everyone is like "wtf they were not lovers!!!1!!11!ONE!!1"... but I can't see why they shouldn't have been lovers.
@NingyoHimeDoll Oh sorry I misunderstood, I like to think they were lovers too! the fact they accepted homosexuality almost makes me forget they didn't regard women as citizens :D
@coolasacoldsummer Yes, and indeed I loved the fact that was how it was!!!
And please stop that stupid discussion about him was a greek or macedon!!
I'm from german and when I have to constandly read thall these stupid comments, I wanna kick all your stupid asses!
Fact is: he was born in Macedon, he grew up there as well, he was going to school there and was taught greek language, but I will think of him as a cosmopolitican man, according to his goals to unite the yet unknown world!
This is a great song!!!!! Hephastion just got Alexander some people just get you dont mean necessarily they are gay. I have a bestfreind that get me and we are not lovers but these two clearly loved and had a thing for each other/
damn. this film was good but i think that the bond, the love between Alexander & Hephaistion should have more attention. There should be more scenes with them both because love between those 2 is a historical fact. That bond is pure and natural...
Hephaistion is the most beautiful person in the world!
aww i love him so much!!! i cried when die T_T
and then alexander follow him!! omg so sad T_T
they are so cute toegther! i wish their version
only for Alexander and Hephaistion!!
I read that the director cut the scene when Roxane try to kill Hephaestion after she know that he and alexander loves each other!! omg I want to see this scene!!! also where i can find the the full movie of Alexander the Final cut!!? plz! i want to see it
FYROM KIRO GLIGOROV THE GREAT ---> KNOWS FYROM SLAVS ARE NOT MACEDONIANS
FYROM KIRO GLIGOROV THE GREAT --> NOT ASHAMED TO BE BULGARIC SLAV
FYROM PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV: "WE ARE SLAVS - THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT .. WE CAME HERE IN THE 6TH CENTURY AFTER CHRIST"
Krste Misirkov - expressed the ethnicity of the Slavs living in "Macedonia" including his own ethnicity, calling them pure Bulgarians.
@CAKIMacedonian macedonia is Greek Alexander the Great is Macedonian...So alexander the great is Greek.
Macedonia comes with A greek world because at the past all the cities was not a whole country but they were Greeks,so we cant say that Macedonia is not Greek
@CAKIMacedonian excaclty "The thing that you has occupied one part from Macedonia doesn't make you the owners of the Macedonian " the real map is greece with FYROM part too.FYROM are Slavs,there were Serbian territories...But in ancient Greece all the cities was separate,Corith Sparta Macedonia Thrace...but they were still Greek...they spoke Greek,the Gods that they believed was the same all of them,If 'Macedonia" is not Greek what is Greek?Is like to say Sparta is not Greek..this doen't excist
@21LeoNidasZ Slow down man...you wrote:in ancient Greece all the cities was separate,Corith Sparta Macedonia Thrace!....Macedonia was a city or Trace ????You are joking me????And what was Pella than???
Macedonia was serbian territories....you wrote....BUT,WHY YOU CHOOSE ONLY ONE PERIOD FROM THE HISTORY WHEN MACEDONIA WAS UNDER SERBIAN RULE???You forget the rest of the history when Macedonia was under turks,romans,byzantians,bulgarians????Do you...or you just ignore this facts???
@21LeoNidasZ I asked you something else.......you said that Macedonia was always greek...let we see when is that always.........WHEN BEFORE 1913 YOU HAS AT LEAST 1% FROM THE MACEDONIAN LANDS???
Or maybe that was the years when you for the first time step on the Macedonian soil!?
@CAKIMacedonian no it wasnt,it was alwys Greek but when Turkey went and occured Greece and FYROM split aat Serbia u made ur country so u r Slavs and u dont speek Greek....Ancient Gree spoke Greek so macedonia spoke Greek so Macedonia is Greek city member...if I understood ur question
@CAKIMacedonian when we went to conquer binoculars part of Greece (Macedonia)we did not go as conquerors because we rightfully were ours.Serbia and Bulgaria took part at war as a conqueror ... you only have similarity you have with Macedonia is the small territorial division which had conquered by Serbs, and you split up.
@21LeoNidasZ First,you never own that land before 1913!Second,all three countries attacked ottomans to liberated Macedonia,but with your staying in Macedonia,you became Macedonian conquerors!
So,saying that Macedonia is your,is same as turks saying the same,because Macedonia was 5 centuries under ottoman rule!
u want more? after all this u think macedonia was another country? i dont know it is just complex of ancient Greek empire...now answer to me what do u speak Serbian or Greek????? What Macedonian spoke?????
@21LeoNidasZ Lies....Philipou it not same as PHILOS-IPPOS.....dont lie man!Be honest!
Alexoandros...it is not same as Alexandrou!
Also,i asked something else......If someone ask me WHAT WAS ANCIENT MACEDONIA I WILL SAY: A KINGDOM............and now i am asking you....WHAT WAS ANCIENT GREECE????
And how was happen a kingdom to be part of it!???How can some kingdoms belong to something?
and i am not lying that excactly means...and if that u said is all correct but it is not so is ur problem?u r not Greek or lets say Macedonian,u r Slav and u came at 6th century
I am honest! u r lying and u cant understand..
if you know Greek u cant understand all Macedonian names are Greek...all of them!
@21LeoNidasZ Greek colony....Greece was greek colony???
Let me educate u about so called slavs:Slavs or real name Venets are ancient tribe,also domestic balkanian tribe!Venets are Macedonian ancestors and also,Pelazgian descendants!
For the first time,Venetian tribes(Sagudats,Dragovits,Berzits) formed their state in Macedonia,which was called Slavinia!According the name of the state later all people who lived in Macedonia have been called Slovenoi(slavs) by the Byzantians!that is the whole story
@CAKIMacedonian definitely you take drugs this all of this that you wrote me does not excist wtf is venets? are you kiding me?The Slavic autonymy is reconstructed in Proto-Slavic as Slověninъ. The oldest documents written in Old Church Slavonic and dating from the ---->9th century<---- attest Словѣне Slověne to describe the Slavs. Other early Slavic attestations include Old East Slavic Словене Slověně for "an East Slavic group near Novgorod(RUSSIA!!!!)"
@21LeoNidasZ Read Derzavin and Ditjakin,they are russians,and you ll see who really are the so called Slavs or Venets!There you ll see,what i am talking about!
Otherwise,there is no evidence about any tribe moving in the past.....never!
@CAKIMacedonian unfortunately we cant go to the past but i am sure about Slavs...i think this doen't excist.For what I am saying Ι have evidence. Some Byzantine manuscripts that write about Slavs
@21LeoNidasZ There are evidence of the venetian culture and letters in Macedonia!
Macedonians continued to use their letters!
If you know about slavs...pls tell me:What was the name of their land,what was the name of their leader,why none has never mention them before and after 5-6 century,why they leaved their homeland,some war between them or what ever,before 5 century???
@CAKIMacedonian Slavs was not a whole empire was a kind of culture of the Middle Ages. There was no particular leader because it was not empire, as I said ... Many Americans want you to tell this lies to have a third contender in Balkans
I will not write any more i said y at personal message..Is is very logic you to be willful nevermind
@CAKIMacedonian to many countries there were no population...So Slavs that started at Russia wasn't before 5th century because at Russia were living Barbarians
OK, one last time, to Vascular15: At the battle of Chaeronea, fought when Alexandros was 16, he commanded the Macedonian heavy cavalry and his soldiers wiped out the best infantry unit in Hellas. This was The Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of 1500 men, 750 pairs of "lovers" with an older man and a younger man trained to fight in pairs. They fought to the last man. The norm was bisexuality. My point is that had they not been lovers it would have been exceptional by the standards of the period.
@lebarosky What kind of argument is that? When Alexander was 16 he fought against a homoerotic military unit, therefore he must have been bisexual? Are you really that stupid? No one is denying that homosexual relationships between men occured in Ancient Greece, but not all the male Greek aristocracy were bisexual. Your point still doesnt address the fact that there is little evidence to suggest that Alexander ever had sex with men.
@Vascular15 yes, there is vertually no evidence suggesting Alexander had sexual realtions with men. It is known that he had two wives and several mistresses. So he did have well known relations with women. He might have been Bisexual since it was very common back then but there is no good evidence suggesting it. Thats why some people were upset that he was portrayed as Bisexual in the movie.
When he crossed the Hellespont Alexandros was careful to observe the historical precedents of his policy to act as the representative of all the Hellenes. He sacrificed at Troy at the altar of Achilles. Hephaistion sacrificed at the altar of Patroclus. This well-settled fact indicates that the two men saw themselves as related to each other in the same way as Achilles and Patroclus. Under the conventions of classical Greece if they had not been lovers it would have been unusual, not the converse
@Vascular15 : why is it weak? Are you using modern standards to judge the evidence. We don't have a plethora of good information about Alexandros. The surviving histories are all tertiary sources: they relied on earlier histories which are lost, and all of the primary sources in the form of writings are basically lost. If you assume that bisexuality is the norm, not deviant, it is strong evidence. Bisexuality in this situation was a norm in Classical Greece.
@lebarosky You could only consider that evidence "strong" if you are extremely biased. They sacrificed to two folk heroes, they didnt have sex on the altar.
Nice video; well edited. Alexander was remarkably straight for a reputedly gay guy, having four wives who bore him children. In ancient Greece, the same kind of floral tributes were paid alike to lovers and great friends. In other words, Alexander and his lifelong friend Hephaestion were brothers and allies. Ditto for Achilles and Patroclus, who happened to be a cousin of Achilles, as well as his armor bearer.
@MrGBOOK His "love for Hephaestion" worked on several levels. If only gay, it never "endured". They were childhood friends who were probably intimate at some point in their adolescence: seen as normal in their time. Alexander enlisted Hephaestion as his cavalry commander: history credits him for doing it well. Nothing petty about the man: never squabbled with Alexander over his wives or "Persian boy". He married Drypetis at Alexander's wish bcuz Alexander wanted to see his kids.
I'm going to just ignore the giant retarded debate about a MOVIE going on down there and say this is an amazing video. One of my favorite songs. Really well crafted =)
both you two people need too realise that both your countries are not completley great and America out of all the countries in the world probaly has the most problems!
I see many people befouling Alexander's name, all i can say is that they wish they coulb be 1/1000 of who Alexander was. It's sad that these little nameless individuals dare to befoul a man whose name has been praised throuhh centuries.........how pathetic!
Alexander the Great had a very adventurous erotic life but with women and not with men! Stop insulting a great Greek Hero, I am an historian and all these are bullshits! You must be a greek to understand what the word " friendship" between men meant to the ancient greeks! Pls stop these lies!
@maryoik - Well, if you're a historian, surely you're aware of the terminology used that described Hephaestion explicitly as Alexander's lover. And, also, you must be aware that Alexander and Hephaestion honored, respectively, Achilles and Patroklos' graves. In Alexander's day, the common opinion was that Ach&Pat were lovers.
Of course, you know this already.
Or are the Ancient Roman and Greek historians liars?
@SasukeIPwned When Philoxenes told the king that two beautiful boys had been offered for him, Alexander was furious: ‘What evil has he seen in me that he should purchase for me such shameful creatures?’ he exclaimed. ‘Tell the dealer to take his wares to hell.’ Stop bullshiting here SasukeIPwned, ur very litle to put in ur mouth Alexander's name and also the greek historians!
@maryoik You know why he was furious; the same issue was raised when he was brought Bagoas: "Are you here of your own free will?". And - when the answer satisfied the King that the answer was "Yes", he kept him - the rest of his life. There are too many references to Bagoas in antiquity for it to be myth! As with Hephaistion; despite all the religious, political and homophobic attempts to bury it - the story of their love survives! love story with
@AlyJoLuv I know that obviously, Hadrain was a Roman Emperor,while Alexander was Macedonian,but while Hadrian was for sure bi,as he had several female lovers,and male lovers,as far as i know Alexander had only male lovers,and that made of him homo.Just my opinion =)
Hadrian was born in Hiberia but grew up culturally in Greek,infact he was named The Greek Student,some said he thinked in Hellenic and ruled in Roman the Empire.
As for the A/H relationship matter. The "they were a couple" fans and the "thery were frinds" fans seems to forget that ancient Greeks didn't worry about who you had sex with, just what role you took. It was about power and social position. So if a guy took a passive role with someone of lesser social status than him, that was a Bad Thing.But if he took the dominant role, or if he took a passive role with someone of a better social status than him,it didn't matter.
@AlyJoLuv The Greek pederasty works in a completely different way,that has nothing to do with Alessander.Relationship between two males was admitted only as a cultural step,the child became man and preceptor could also introduce the kid to sodomity,also filosofy,etc,but was a step.
The senior was obviously the top and the junior the bottom.
Alexander was clearly homo,he had to take sevaral wife ad emperor simply should done that.
@AlyJoLuv the classic example of greek pederasty was the homo relationship of Hadrian with Antinous,Hadrian was not the top cause he was the emperor,but only because is the mature one of the couple.
And Stone could also tried to die better the eyebrows of Farrel..it's emabarassing as blonde,nothig to do with the historic image of Alexander.
@ultrafragola2000 P.S. I agree on the "blonde" issue.. It woudlnobe so difficult to find a good blonbd actor (anyway, Alessandro Magno was not a redhead?)
Agree with you. Alexander was Greek, but that doesn't make him gay. Hephastion was the childhood/boyhood best friend who went thru everything with him. He had two wives, and at least one child.
@celzmccelz No , he was not, he had a very adventurous erotic life but with women and not with men! In the old days it was acceptable for a man to have a strong affection for another man without it being homoerotic. However( and unfortunately) in the sex obsessed 21st century many people will willfully misinterpret any male to male affection as homosexual in a lame attempt to give homosexuality a greater acceptability..
@maryoik And in the homophobic 21st century people willfully misinterpret homosexual relationships as some sort of fetishized heterosexual male bond because they simply cannot handle the idea that one of their heroes liked dick as well as pussy. Alexander the Great's bisexuality was not a rumor started by this movie, it is historically documented. You clearly do not understand Ancient Greek sexuality. Back then, people thought you were strange if you weren't attracted to both genders.
@celzmccelz You have to remember that it is difficult to judge ancients by modern standards of sexuality, because they did not really exist at all in ancient times.
You have to remember that it is difficult to judge ancients by modern standards of sexuality, because they did not really exist at all in ancient times.
@celzmccelz and as long as there is no historical evidence that Alexander was a gay or bisexual, no gay, staight or bi should put in his mouth the name of Alexander the Great and make fake theories insulting his rumor and his name. SMILE!!!
@bookkeeper57 I agree with you. The relationship between Alexander and Hephastion was a very close friendship. Like Achilles and Patroklos, like Damon and Feidias. Alexander wasnt a gay, nor a bisexual, i am an historian and nothing can prove that. Alexander got married three persian princesses and he was very addicted to women. He was a womanizer and he loved the women.
@maryoik I am a woman and straight. However, I accept all sexual genres, as I believe in the pursuit of happiness for all people. I am also a college professor and have written many papers (all of them published) on ancient Greece and Roman civilizations....so I believe I know of what I speak. I'm sorry you don't. And I'm sorry if I upset you or rocked your little conservative boat.
@Lonestarry Sorry sweetheart I am a greek historian and I know my ancient Greek History better than your books that do not say anything to me, thanks, antios!!
@maryoik I am sorry my words have upset you to the point where you feel compelled to fabricate things about yourself so you will appear more legitimate in the statements you type about Alexander. I never meant to call you out, I only met to correct your words, because, my dear maryoik, you are completely and totally incorrect in your statements. I suggest you go brew yourself a nice cup of tea and perhaps introduce a nice flow of brandy to it - drink it - and forget the day. LOL
@maryoik You are so upset that you cannot even construct and type a sentence in proper english. You poor dear. I would be happy to recommend several texts that would open your eyes and hopefully broaden your horizens on the subject. You need that. Alexander was most definitely bi-sexual and that is a fact. There is nothing you can do to change history. I bet your blood pressure is off the charts right about now, isn't it? Please calm yourself. How is that tea coming along?
@maryoik And when I typed (sexuality as a hole) I mean as a H O L E., not whole. LOL I hope your blood pressure is calming itself and the tea is doing it's magic for your pitiful tortured mind and repressed sexual ideas.
@Lonestarry Ur problem is that you have no History and you would wish to be 10% of a greek woman or man with a great glorious history. I hope for you to be greek in your next life. You're full of insecurities and complexes and of course from ur behavour a human being with lots of psychological probs, because only a sick woman or man would sit saying things historically unfounded and only from his mind, for a man as great as Alexander was. Really I feel so sorry about you
@Lonestarry and I suggest you - with my proper english - to restrict your jealousy and your complexes then you will understand who was Alexander the Great
@maryoik LOL - I am laughing so hard at your stupidity, maryoik - you proclaim Alexander the Great to be so awesome - well, I do agree - but he is merely a drop in the bucket when it comes to awesome conquerors. I think you need to quit lecturing about things you do not know. You can't even type proper english so butt out or better yet - stick a banana up your ass and then you can pretend you are one of Alexander's sexual conquests reborn. LOL
For all those who are saying that there wasn't ANCIENT MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE!
read the quotes on the beginning!
He murmured on MACEDONIAN (not on greek)..ALEXANDER ALWAYS SPOKE WITH HIS BODYGUARDS ON MACEDONIAN!
CAKIMacedonian 2 weeks ago
Absolutly loved the film - And Placebo make a fitting song ~ Great video!
TheAssassinsAssassin 1 month ago
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Where are the inscriptions of the Greek state as a unit of evidence from the time of Alexander the Great??
Wherever I look, I can NOT find the words: Ellada, hellas or Greek.
How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state?
At the time of Alexander the Great the State Greek not exist ,that is fakt !!!!!!
STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN history
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 facist GREEKS
Devoj4E 2 months ago
Who cares that Alexander and Hephaestion can be called gays? Their love is way way more beautiful than Romeo and Juliet's to me. The most beautiful and heartbreaking. Stronger than the death.
asiaaa1901 2 months ago
I effin hate u placebo. Stay in yo lane, guys! -__-
naughtyninjanicole 2 months ago
The music is terrible!
PapagenoHannover 2 months ago
Awesome tribute, thanks for this BEAUTY. Love the movie, their beautiful true love, the song, Placebo, Jared, etc. Absolutely STUNNING! Congrats.
nightgathering 4 months ago
Listened to this like 50 times since yesterday.. never tired of it.. and the video.
INDUSTRIAL3X 5 months ago
love love and lots of it .back then its free to adore someone man or woman or even a building.before being so fat is a beautiful thing.and old men having boyfriends is a fad.Romans do it that way.The statue of David is sculpted by a man who worship human body and who happens to be a young man.
The021773 5 months ago 2
U guys sound like a bunch of nerds just let it go none of u were alive then to prove it its not worth arguing about
bojanglemeson1 7 months ago 3
Hephaestion was always loyal and devoted to Alexander, from the start til the end, I like him and Bagoas very much
hacksign000 8 months ago
We know they were Lovers.. It is Part of History!!! Some would like it not to be Known. I'm sure a lot of Great Men had Male Lovers.. It just seems it was buried along with them.. Being Gay isn't a weakness.. It takes someone STRONG to be their TRUE SELF!
1958louief 8 months ago
loving a man was not considered weakness those times. Greeks were especially fond of beauty and perfection, no matter if its male or female or even a building. They were chasing perfection in all aspects, the quote " Ever to Excel" comes from homers iliad. Dont compare modern times and society with one 2000 years ago, back then there were not so many rules and taboo's.
Note: Not all were homo/heterosexual, there was also a non sexual love relationship between men called "platonic love"
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 What the greeks have with the Macedonians! and p.s greeks didn't exist back than!
CAKIMacedonian 7 months ago
i dont wanna debate with u, if u remember we be doing these over 5 times(check ur past comments and messages). U right, greeks didnt exist that time, Plato was a LIAR, Aristotle was a Liar, Titius Livius was a Liar, in fact every single person(greeks, romans, jews, persians, armenians) of antiquity was a liar since they all mention greeks(from Sophocles, Aeschylus, Ovidius to jewish psalms). Even the inscriptions in greek temples and tombs are fake, especially in Philips tomb.
dimalex8 7 months ago
Is this what u want to read? Then read it, its coming from a greek. I bet it should make u feel more Macedonian now(no matter if u are or not). If yes then i'll paraphrase u what Archidamus king of Sparta aswered to Philip when Philip sent a threatening message to sparta, the message was this:
"If you measure your own shadow, you would not find that it has become any greater or bigger than last night"
dont understand what i mean? You will one day, i'm just giving u food for thought
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 greeks as a tribe never existed...before 18th century!NEVER!
And since 19th century exist as a nation!NEVER IN THE ANCIENT TIMES!
CAKIMacedonian 7 months ago
yeah im telling u the same. Greeks never existed, all the things u'll find about greece are lies. Even the Pope when in 11th century a.d. adressed to the emperor of byantium as "emperor of the hellenes" he was obviusly joking. Only macedonians existed but somehow there was no macedonian state for over 2000 years, nevermind that is bullshit that historians say. U keep believing ur goverment, Michael Jackson is macedonian, Samuil is Macedonian, Mother Teressa is macedonian.
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
donnomar 5 months ago
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@dimalex8 @dimalex8 let's assume you are right and greeks did not exist, who wrote the illiad and the odisea? Who created Ollympian religion? Who were the heros of Allexander? Achilles, Ullises, Ayax. Who was Homer, Herodot, Socrates? Who were the members of the Peloponnesian League? What was the Amphictyonic League? Why the macedonians wanted to be part of it? Answer those questions and you will find you are all wrong in your believes....
donnomar 5 months ago
The inscription of general Pausania in Delphoi where he wrote "Dedicated to apollo for the victory of Hellenes against the barbarians" is a lie, how he wrote it when there was no greek around in 450 b.c.?
If i judge by the level of education in many macedonians(there are exceptions, few but there always are exceptions who r educated and not brainwashed) the only man on earth that i can believe he was macedonian is George W. Bush Jr. Yep same sharp mind, same attitude a true neomacedonian.
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 . Reed the many thesisses of professor Snodgrass, Emeritus Professor in Classical Archeology at the University of Cambridge: about "Archeology and the Greek State and Archeological Survey" and many more. He did research especially about the Archaic period of Greece (800 BC - 450 BC) that followed the period called The Greek Dark Ages (1200 BC - 800 BC) so there was a Greece long before 450 BC. There is a lot more research about this topic where the Western civilisation was born.
DirkjeA 4 months ago
@dimalex8 Further more: Alexander inherited the idea of an invasion of the Persian Empire from his father Philip whose advance-force was already out in Asia in 336 BC. Philips campaign had the slogan of "freeing the Greeks" in Asia and "punishing the Persians" for their past sacrileges during their own invasion (a century and a half earlier) of Greece. No doubt, Philip wanted glory and plunder."There is a lot of research about the early Greek years, read them first before commenting nonsense.
DirkjeA 4 months ago
p.s. i am older than ur nation, only this fact should make u less cocky and arrogant.
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 Only you think that!
CAKIMacedonian 7 months ago
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MrLadrocuori 8 months ago
the best alexander/hephaistion fanvideo on youtube. the movie would be complete trash, if not for farrell and leto. they created one of the greatest on-screen love-relationships in recent years. it was bold to portray them this way in a major blockbuster movie, even in 2004 (or 2011 as it turns out). it should be acknowledged more.
hallofreaks 8 months ago
@hallofreaks totally agree with you
Earyende 8 months ago
lol they were lovers and history also wright this!!
soniol97 8 months ago
This is the best Alexander/Hephaistion video I've seen. :) and Alexander is my favorite movie, but Jared Leto's performance just MADE that movie. Love it.
ariaxwilden 9 months ago 21
@ariaxwilden totally agree with you. I LOVE ALEXANDER, THE MOVIE and I love Colin Farrell but.. without Jared Leto, OUR Hephaistion, it would be impossible.
SpanishalRojo 4 months ago
Ilove this film!!! and this is such a great video! :) thank you ! :)
EviLUFOrUlEz 10 months ago
Wtf with this debate. I bet if Hephaistion would have been a woman everyone would agree that they were lovers.
AWESOME VIDEO, ANYWAY<3
NingyoHimeDoll 10 months ago
@NingyoHimeDoll Alexander was very likely to be a bi-sexual anyway as it was widely accepted in ancient Greece and Macedonia to have a male lover as well as a wife
zosko1 10 months ago
@zosko1 I know ^^ and I support that. I meant that everyone is like "wtf they were not lovers!!!1!!11!ONE!!1"... but I can't see why they shouldn't have been lovers.
NingyoHimeDoll 10 months ago
@NingyoHimeDoll Oh sorry I misunderstood, I like to think they were lovers too! the fact they accepted homosexuality almost makes me forget they didn't regard women as citizens :D
zosko1 10 months ago
@coolasacoldsummer Yes, and indeed I loved the fact that was how it was!!!
And please stop that stupid discussion about him was a greek or macedon!!
I'm from german and when I have to constandly read thall these stupid comments, I wanna kick all your stupid asses!
Fact is: he was born in Macedon, he grew up there as well, he was going to school there and was taught greek language, but I will think of him as a cosmopolitican man, according to his goals to unite the yet unknown world!
Drypetis1 11 months ago
This is a great song!!!!! Hephastion just got Alexander some people just get you dont mean necessarily they are gay. I have a bestfreind that get me and we are not lovers but these two clearly loved and had a thing for each other/
55cabgirl 11 months ago
@55cabgir Im sorry, what are you talking about? your writing is very cryptic.
volks0388 11 months ago
the guy singing this song has such an annoying voice wtf
kaiuycn 11 months ago
THEIR RELATIONSHIP BROKE MY HEART.
I wanted them to get married, run away and live happily ever after T-T
xiimAfake 1 year ago
@xiimAfake I totally agree with you, sweety!
They had one one of the most heartbreakingly love!
I cried really heart at the end of the film....and still do so, whenever I watch it!
Just like Zeffirelli's "Romeo & Juliet"!!!
Both these stories making me cry everytime...and both are my fave love couples ever.
Knowing latest mentioned one, was an invited story!
Drypetis1 11 months ago
Beautiful video, well done!
December122The 1 year ago
This movie is the reason why I like Jared Leto..nothing more, nothing less.
He will always look to me like this- black eyes, long hairs and beautiful friendship of Macedonian...
skeletinjsh 1 year ago
ooh this is already worth watching because of hephaestion...jareds sexiest role in my opinion..
blackappleseed 1 year ago 8
Also,that can not be KIND of culture..is it or it is not!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian it is different the culture and different empire
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ I asked you......Give something for them before 5th century!??
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian Placebo rocks!
olgakitz 1 year ago
mistakes(not Slavinia) but Sklavinia and Sklovenoi!
So,learn first and than talk,otherwise you look so poor and brainwashed!
You are talking something about you have no idea at all!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
damn. this film was good but i think that the bond, the love between Alexander & Hephaistion should have more attention. There should be more scenes with them both because love between those 2 is a historical fact. That bond is pure and natural...
sloth94 1 year ago
such a great video of these two
plus the song is just pure greatness
Placebo is an amazing band
FLAIR4PREZ 1 year ago
Hephaistion is the most beautiful person in the world!
aww i love him so much!!! i cried when die T_T
and then alexander follow him!! omg so sad T_T
they are so cute toegther! i wish their version
only for Alexander and Hephaistion!!
I read that the director cut the scene when Roxane try to kill Hephaestion after she know that he and alexander loves each other!! omg I want to see this scene!!! also where i can find the the full movie of Alexander the Final cut!!? plz! i want to see it
AyameAmuro 1 year ago
Sigh... there need to be more Alexander/Hephaistion vids ç___ç!
lagolindari 1 year ago 2
poor jared!!! i mean...poor hephaistion!!!
KatarinaEmmaBlack 1 year ago 2
Jared<3<3<3
kazina21 1 year ago
Your the truth not I there is a truth that Jared Leto and Colin farrell are the two most sexiest men on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!
55cabgirl 1 year ago
history has gone to shit. if you truly believe you have a brain, dont believe anything written in books, especially books owned by europeans
smukase 1 year ago
fantastic video! ♥
smoothhoney1265 1 year ago 2
Colin <3
Bequilovegaga 1 year ago 2
I saw this video and it actually made me buy the dvd..I loved the movie and I love the song you used in this video
Afgsusan1 1 year ago
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SMYRNAfreedom 1 year ago
@canadianshit212 There is a mosaics from his face,and his head,and on all of them he has dark hair!That pictures have been made from his time!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
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@CAKIMacedonian
FYROM KIRO GLIGOROV THE GREAT ---> KNOWS FYROM SLAVS ARE NOT MACEDONIANS
FYROM KIRO GLIGOROV THE GREAT --> NOT ASHAMED TO BE BULGARIC SLAV
FYROM PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV: "WE ARE SLAVS - THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT .. WE CAME HERE IN THE 6TH CENTURY AFTER CHRIST"
Krste Misirkov - expressed the ethnicity of the Slavs living in "Macedonia" including his own ethnicity, calling them pure Bulgarians.
SMYRNAfreedom 1 year ago
his wife was asian
lebaneseprince25 1 year ago
Roxana was white; not black.
corderitodedios69 1 year ago
THE GREATEST MACEDONIAN KING EVER!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago 42
@CAKIMacedonian macedonia is Greek Alexander the Great is Macedonian...So alexander the great is Greek.
Macedonia comes with A greek world because at the past all the cities was not a whole country but they were Greeks,so we cant say that Macedonia is not Greek
ALEXANDER IS THE GREATEST MACEDONIAN KING EVER
MACEODIA WAS VERY STRONG GREEK ΑERIA
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ How can be greek,when greek identity and state have been created at 19th century!
The thing that you has occupied one part from Macedonia doesn't make you the owners of the Macedonian land neither on the Macedonian history!
He killed all Helenes from the Balkans until Milet!All of them!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian excaclty "The thing that you has occupied one part from Macedonia doesn't make you the owners of the Macedonian " the real map is greece with FYROM part too.FYROM are Slavs,there were Serbian territories...But in ancient Greece all the cities was separate,Corith Sparta Macedonia Thrace...but they were still Greek...they spoke Greek,the Gods that they believed was the same all of them,If 'Macedonia" is not Greek what is Greek?Is like to say Sparta is not Greek..this doen't excist
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ Slow down man...you wrote:in ancient Greece all the cities was separate,Corith Sparta Macedonia Thrace!....Macedonia was a city or Trace ????You are joking me????And what was Pella than???
Macedonia was serbian territories....you wrote....BUT,WHY YOU CHOOSE ONLY ONE PERIOD FROM THE HISTORY WHEN MACEDONIA WAS UNDER SERBIAN RULE???You forget the rest of the history when Macedonia was under turks,romans,byzantians,bulgarians????Do you...or you just ignore this facts???
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ ANSWER ME : When before 1913,your country ever has at least 1% from the Macedonian land...give the exact period????
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian at 1913 the half Greece was occupied by Turkey...
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ I asked you something else.......you said that Macedonia was always greek...let we see when is that always.........WHEN BEFORE 1913 YOU HAS AT LEAST 1% FROM THE MACEDONIAN LANDS???
Or maybe that was the years when you for the first time step on the Macedonian soil!?
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian no it wasnt,it was alwys Greek but when Turkey went and occured Greece and FYROM split aat Serbia u made ur country so u r Slavs and u dont speek Greek....Ancient Gree spoke Greek so macedonia spoke Greek so Macedonia is Greek city member...if I understood ur question
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ So,Turks occupied Macedonia from greece a???How,when greece wasn't created at that time?
Greece has been created at 19th century 5 centuries after Macedonia became ottoman land-province????
When you lost Macedonia from the turks...in which battle???
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian sorry for mistakes my keyboard don't write very well
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian when we went to conquer binoculars part of Greece (Macedonia)we did not go as conquerors because we rightfully were ours.Serbia and Bulgaria took part at war as a conqueror ... you only have similarity you have with Macedonia is the small territorial division which had conquered by Serbs, and you split up.
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ First,you never own that land before 1913!Second,all three countries attacked ottomans to liberated Macedonia,but with your staying in Macedonia,you became Macedonian conquerors!
So,saying that Macedonia is your,is same as turks saying the same,because Macedonia was 5 centuries under ottoman rule!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian 1)MACEDONIA WAS GREEK PART
2)WE ATTACED TO OTTOMANS BECAUSE THEY HAD CONQUER OUR TERRITORIES
3)SERBIA AND BULGARIA WERE ATTAKERS WE WANTED TO RELEASE MACEDONIA because ΙΤ IS GREEK it was land that has CONQUERED BY TURKS
4)TURKS WERE LOST ALL OF THE GREEK TERITORIES WITH OUR REVOLUTION SO THEY CANT SAY ANYTHINK
U R RUSSIAN SLAVS THAT WERE SERBIAN...U DONT 'MACEDONIANS'
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ 1.After the crushed Macedonian kingdom,Macedonia became province of its occupiers:
-Romans,Byzantians,Bulgarians,Ottomans,Serbs.......and where is greece in the whole story????
When Macedonia was your????Before 1913.....???NEVER!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian Macedonia
GREEK wold Makos means tall
Philipe
Φιλ + ίππος
GREEK world means the guy that like horses
ἀλέξω+ἀνήρ meaning defending men
u want more? after all this u think macedonia was another country? i dont know it is just complex of ancient Greek empire...now answer to me what do u speak Serbian or Greek????? What Macedonian spoke?????
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ Lies....Philipou it not same as PHILOS-IPPOS.....dont lie man!Be honest!
Alexoandros...it is not same as Alexandrou!
Also,i asked something else......If someone ask me WHAT WAS ANCIENT MACEDONIA I WILL SAY: A KINGDOM............and now i am asking you....WHAT WAS ANCIENT GREECE????
And how was happen a kingdom to be part of it!???How can some kingdoms belong to something?
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian It was like a Greek colony
and i am not lying that excactly means...and if that u said is all correct but it is not so is ur problem?u r not Greek or lets say Macedonian,u r Slav and u came at 6th century
I am honest! u r lying and u cant understand..
if you know Greek u cant understand all Macedonian names are Greek...all of them!
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ Greek colony....Greece was greek colony???
Let me educate u about so called slavs:Slavs or real name Venets are ancient tribe,also domestic balkanian tribe!Venets are Macedonian ancestors and also,Pelazgian descendants!
For the first time,Venetian tribes(Sagudats,Dragovits,Berzits) formed their state in Macedonia,which was called Slavinia!According the name of the state later all people who lived in Macedonia have been called Slovenoi(slavs) by the Byzantians!that is the whole story
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian definitely you take drugs this all of this that you wrote me does not excist wtf is venets? are you kiding me?The Slavic autonymy is reconstructed in Proto-Slavic as Slověninъ. The oldest documents written in Old Church Slavonic and dating from the ---->9th century<---- attest Словѣне Slověne to describe the Slavs. Other early Slavic attestations include Old East Slavic Словене Slověně for "an East Slavic group near Novgorod(RUSSIA!!!!)"
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ Read Derzavin and Ditjakin,they are russians,and you ll see who really are the so called Slavs or Venets!There you ll see,what i am talking about!
Otherwise,there is no evidence about any tribe moving in the past.....never!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian unfortunately we cant go to the past but i am sure about Slavs...i think this doen't excist.For what I am saying Ι have evidence. Some Byzantine manuscripts that write about Slavs
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ There are evidence of the venetian culture and letters in Macedonia!
Macedonians continued to use their letters!
If you know about slavs...pls tell me:What was the name of their land,what was the name of their leader,why none has never mention them before and after 5-6 century,why they leaved their homeland,some war between them or what ever,before 5 century???
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian Slavs was not a whole empire was a kind of culture of the Middle Ages. There was no particular leader because it was not empire, as I said ... Many Americans want you to tell this lies to have a third contender in Balkans
I will not write any more i said y at personal message..Is is very logic you to be willful nevermind
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@21LeoNidasZ Man i asked you before 5th century????before their ''arrival'' here?
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian to many countries there were no population...So Slavs that started at Russia wasn't before 5th century because at Russia were living Barbarians
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian oh please see this video too
/watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4
21LeoNidasZ 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian at that time Macedonia was a part of GREECE!!!
It wasn't a different country.
The new country ( FYROM) which likes to be called Macedonia has nothing to do with the Macedonia of Alexander the great!
olgakitz 1 year ago
@olgakitz If Macedonian kingdom was a part of Greece,than WHAT WAS GREECE???
Macedonia was a kingdom.....but what was greece..where the Macedonian kingdom belongs?????
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
@CAKIMacedonian actually was Greek land and he spoke Greek with other Greeks.so good bye FAKEmacedonian monkey
VaggelisOfMacedonia 1 year ago
not only macedonian, the greatest greek of them all as Plutarch writes ;)
dimalex8 7 months ago
Best fan made ever -3
By the way I really like this sing and I'm such a huge fan of Jared Leto LOL
EmMystery 1 year ago
pinches jotos
Funebresto 1 year ago
OK, one last time, to Vascular15: At the battle of Chaeronea, fought when Alexandros was 16, he commanded the Macedonian heavy cavalry and his soldiers wiped out the best infantry unit in Hellas. This was The Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of 1500 men, 750 pairs of "lovers" with an older man and a younger man trained to fight in pairs. They fought to the last man. The norm was bisexuality. My point is that had they not been lovers it would have been exceptional by the standards of the period.
lebarosky 1 year ago
@lebarosky What kind of argument is that? When Alexander was 16 he fought against a homoerotic military unit, therefore he must have been bisexual? Are you really that stupid? No one is denying that homosexual relationships between men occured in Ancient Greece, but not all the male Greek aristocracy were bisexual. Your point still doesnt address the fact that there is little evidence to suggest that Alexander ever had sex with men.
Vascular15 1 year ago
@Vascular15 yes, there is vertually no evidence suggesting Alexander had sexual realtions with men. It is known that he had two wives and several mistresses. So he did have well known relations with women. He might have been Bisexual since it was very common back then but there is no good evidence suggesting it. Thats why some people were upset that he was portrayed as Bisexual in the movie.
Destoryer86 1 year ago
@Vascular15 Alexander was not a greek!
He was Macedonians....greeks didn't exist at that time!
And he was not blonde!
Salute from Macedonia!
CAKIMacedonian 1 year ago
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@CAKIMacedonian > jealous of Greeks using a Greek name Macedonian.
MEGAS ALEXANDROS / ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS ONLY GREEK
ALEXANDER / ALEXANDROS -- GREEK NAME ONLY & GREEK MEAINING
ONLY A GREEK CAN BE A MACEDONIAN - MAKEDON FROM THE ORIGINS GREEKS AND HELLAS
THE GREEK VERGINA STAR GREEK SYMBOL was used all over Greece (Hellas) - not just in the Greek homeland Makedonia.
SMYRNAfreedom 1 year ago
When he crossed the Hellespont Alexandros was careful to observe the historical precedents of his policy to act as the representative of all the Hellenes. He sacrificed at Troy at the altar of Achilles. Hephaistion sacrificed at the altar of Patroclus. This well-settled fact indicates that the two men saw themselves as related to each other in the same way as Achilles and Patroclus. Under the conventions of classical Greece if they had not been lovers it would have been unusual, not the converse
lebarosky 1 year ago
@lebarosky This well settled fact is suppoed to be evidence of a sexual relationship? How ridiculous. Very weak circumstantial evidence.
Vascular15 1 year ago
@Vascular15 : why is it weak? Are you using modern standards to judge the evidence. We don't have a plethora of good information about Alexandros. The surviving histories are all tertiary sources: they relied on earlier histories which are lost, and all of the primary sources in the form of writings are basically lost. If you assume that bisexuality is the norm, not deviant, it is strong evidence. Bisexuality in this situation was a norm in Classical Greece.
lebarosky 1 year ago
@lebarosky You could only consider that evidence "strong" if you are extremely biased. They sacrificed to two folk heroes, they didnt have sex on the altar.
Vascular15 1 year ago
Can someone tell me the meaning behind this song?
Afgsusan1 1 year ago
Jared <3
kelliiexuk 1 year ago 29
amazing <333
BILLxLIKKER 1 year ago
Nice video; well edited. Alexander was remarkably straight for a reputedly gay guy, having four wives who bore him children. In ancient Greece, the same kind of floral tributes were paid alike to lovers and great friends. In other words, Alexander and his lifelong friend Hephaestion were brothers and allies. Ditto for Achilles and Patroclus, who happened to be a cousin of Achilles, as well as his armor bearer.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 First- he had one (1) child
(a marriage consumated to provide that son!)
But, as historians confirm - his "lover" was Heph-
aistion; and when he was away he slept with the
famous "Persian Boy" of history, Bagoas, not the
wife(s). Only the mother of his son was a real
marriage - the other three were not taken serious
by anyone except the politicos intended! Funny
how despite all the effort to bury his being gay -
its his love for Hephaistion that endures...
MrGBOOK 1 year ago
@MrGBOOK His "love for Hephaestion" worked on several levels. If only gay, it never "endured". They were childhood friends who were probably intimate at some point in their adolescence: seen as normal in their time. Alexander enlisted Hephaestion as his cavalry commander: history credits him for doing it well. Nothing petty about the man: never squabbled with Alexander over his wives or "Persian boy". He married Drypetis at Alexander's wish bcuz Alexander wanted to see his kids.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
JE NE ME LASSE PAS DE REGARDER CE VIDEO-CLIP.
aubertjla 1 year ago
parfaitement PARFAIT
aubertjla 1 year ago
QUELS ACTEURS!!!.LE BLUS BEAU FILM
aubertjla 1 year ago
Hephaistion LOVE
mummyfans 1 year ago
I'm going to just ignore the giant retarded debate about a MOVIE going on down there and say this is an amazing video. One of my favorite songs. Really well crafted =)
itachismaniac 1 year ago
perfect
Cadru7 1 year ago
I can never get tired of this video. ♥
FilmLens 1 year ago
both you two people need too realise that both your countries are not completley great and America out of all the countries in the world probaly has the most problems!
sidd463 1 year ago
What's the point in arguing over what he was, modern terms don't apply to such a different age anyway.
NotoriousShazz187 1 year ago
I see many people befouling Alexander's name, all i can say is that they wish they coulb be 1/1000 of who Alexander was. It's sad that these little nameless individuals dare to befoul a man whose name has been praised throuhh centuries.........how pathetic!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
Alexander the Great had a very adventurous erotic life but with women and not with men! Stop insulting a great Greek Hero, I am an historian and all these are bullshits! You must be a greek to understand what the word " friendship" between men meant to the ancient greeks! Pls stop these lies!
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik - Well, if you're a historian, surely you're aware of the terminology used that described Hephaestion explicitly as Alexander's lover. And, also, you must be aware that Alexander and Hephaestion honored, respectively, Achilles and Patroklos' graves. In Alexander's day, the common opinion was that Ach&Pat were lovers.
Of course, you know this already.
Or are the Ancient Roman and Greek historians liars?
SasukeIPwned 1 year ago
@SasukeIPwned When Philoxenes told the king that two beautiful boys had been offered for him, Alexander was furious: ‘What evil has he seen in me that he should purchase for me such shameful creatures?’ he exclaimed. ‘Tell the dealer to take his wares to hell.’ Stop bullshiting here SasukeIPwned, ur very litle to put in ur mouth Alexander's name and also the greek historians!
maryoik 1 year ago
MrGBOOK 1 year ago 2
Adriano was not Greek, and was born on 76 a.C. (if I remember well), while Alessandro on 356 b.C, so there is some differences...
AlyJoLuv 1 year ago
@AlyJoLuv I know that obviously, Hadrain was a Roman Emperor,while Alexander was Macedonian,but while Hadrian was for sure bi,as he had several female lovers,and male lovers,as far as i know Alexander had only male lovers,and that made of him homo.Just my opinion =)
Hadrian was born in Hiberia but grew up culturally in Greek,infact he was named The Greek Student,some said he thinked in Hellenic and ruled in Roman the Empire.
ultrafragola2000 1 year ago
Beautiful video!
As for the A/H relationship matter. The "they were a couple" fans and the "thery were frinds" fans seems to forget that ancient Greeks didn't worry about who you had sex with, just what role you took. It was about power and social position. So if a guy took a passive role with someone of lesser social status than him, that was a Bad Thing.But if he took the dominant role, or if he took a passive role with someone of a better social status than him,it didn't matter.
AlyJoLuv 1 year ago
@AlyJoLuv The Greek pederasty works in a completely different way,that has nothing to do with Alessander.Relationship between two males was admitted only as a cultural step,the child became man and preceptor could also introduce the kid to sodomity,also filosofy,etc,but was a step.
The senior was obviously the top and the junior the bottom.
Alexander was clearly homo,he had to take sevaral wife ad emperor simply should done that.
ultrafragola2000 1 year ago
@AlyJoLuv the classic example of greek pederasty was the homo relationship of Hadrian with Antinous,Hadrian was not the top cause he was the emperor,but only because is the mature one of the couple.
And Stone could also tried to die better the eyebrows of Farrel..it's emabarassing as blonde,nothig to do with the historic image of Alexander.
ultrafragola2000 1 year ago
@ultrafragola2000 P.S. I agree on the "blonde" issue.. It woudlnobe so difficult to find a good blonbd actor (anyway, Alessandro Magno was not a redhead?)
AlyJoLuv 1 year ago
@AlyJoLuv As far as i know Alexander was strawberry blond,with olive green eyes and suntan skin.
But i don't like esthetically Farrel.
Maybe Stone could tried with Jude Law.
ultrafragola2000 1 year ago
the best video i've ever seen!!! thank you very much!! this movie is so awesome <3
DiedunkleDrachendame 1 year ago
Awesome! So great.. Aww, Jared Leto is so lovely. Mm. <3
Andelena 1 year ago
this is brilliant!
Rita0593 1 year ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK!!! and not slavic
5hitter 1 year ago 2
Amazing!!! I love it!!!!
TheSistolina 1 year ago
Your video is perfect, I love it<3
Morwenna16 2 years ago
jared leto <3
CaitlyDangerSummers 2 years ago
Amazing. Wonderfully made and the song is haunting. Love me some Placebo. Te amoo
sonotquiet 2 years ago
This relationship was the best thing about the movie. :S I know they said they followed Mary Renault a great deal, but... not enough. :(
Awesome video.
RosaLui 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Or far too much, seeing as how there is nothing but circumstantial evidence to say Alexander ever had sex with men.
Vascular15 2 years ago
Agree with you. Alexander was Greek, but that doesn't make him gay. Hephastion was the childhood/boyhood best friend who went thru everything with him. He had two wives, and at least one child.
bookkeeper57 2 years ago
@bookkeeper57 That doesn't mean he didn't sleep with men too. Bisexuality was the norm in the ancient world.
celzmccelz 1 year ago 3
@celzmccelz There is no evidence to this rumor. It was perpetuated by Hollywood in a lame movie, and has become something of a disputed modern myth
maryoik 1 year ago
@celzmccelz No , he was not, he had a very adventurous erotic life but with women and not with men! In the old days it was acceptable for a man to have a strong affection for another man without it being homoerotic. However( and unfortunately) in the sex obsessed 21st century many people will willfully misinterpret any male to male affection as homosexual in a lame attempt to give homosexuality a greater acceptability..
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik And in the homophobic 21st century people willfully misinterpret homosexual relationships as some sort of fetishized heterosexual male bond because they simply cannot handle the idea that one of their heroes liked dick as well as pussy. Alexander the Great's bisexuality was not a rumor started by this movie, it is historically documented. You clearly do not understand Ancient Greek sexuality. Back then, people thought you were strange if you weren't attracted to both genders.
celzmccelz 1 year ago
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@celzmccelz You have to remember that it is difficult to judge ancients by modern standards of sexuality, because they did not really exist at all in ancient times.
maryoik 1 year ago
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@celzmccelz
You have to remember that it is difficult to judge ancients by modern standards of sexuality, because they did not really exist at all in ancient times.
maryoik 1 year ago
@celzmccelz and as long as there is no historical evidence that Alexander was a gay or bisexual, no gay, staight or bi should put in his mouth the name of Alexander the Great and make fake theories insulting his rumor and his name. SMILE!!!
maryoik 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 I agree with you. The relationship between Alexander and Hephastion was a very close friendship. Like Achilles and Patroklos, like Damon and Feidias. Alexander wasnt a gay, nor a bisexual, i am an historian and nothing can prove that. Alexander got married three persian princesses and he was very addicted to women. He was a womanizer and he loved the women.
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik Alexander was most definitely bi-sexual, maryoik....so it was written...so it was done. And remember......THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!(LOL)
Lonestarry 1 year ago
@Lonestarry Ok, I wouldnt expect another answer from you bisexuals thanks hahaha
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik I am a woman and straight. However, I accept all sexual genres, as I believe in the pursuit of happiness for all people. I am also a college professor and have written many papers (all of them published) on ancient Greece and Roman civilizations....so I believe I know of what I speak. I'm sorry you don't. And I'm sorry if I upset you or rocked your little conservative boat.
Lonestarry 1 year ago
@Lonestarry Sorry sweetheart I am a greek historian and I know my ancient Greek History better than your books that do not say anything to me, thanks, antios!!
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik I am sorry my words have upset you to the point where you feel compelled to fabricate things about yourself so you will appear more legitimate in the statements you type about Alexander. I never meant to call you out, I only met to correct your words, because, my dear maryoik, you are completely and totally incorrect in your statements. I suggest you go brew yourself a nice cup of tea and perhaps introduce a nice flow of brandy to it - drink it - and forget the day. LOL
Lonestarry 1 year ago
@Lonestarry and I suggest you to read some history BOOKS!
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik You are so upset that you cannot even construct and type a sentence in proper english. You poor dear. I would be happy to recommend several texts that would open your eyes and hopefully broaden your horizens on the subject. You need that. Alexander was most definitely bi-sexual and that is a fact. There is nothing you can do to change history. I bet your blood pressure is off the charts right about now, isn't it? Please calm yourself. How is that tea coming along?
Lonestarry 1 year ago
@Lonestarry Ur ignorant! LESBIAN GIRL ;) Bye!
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik And when I typed (sexuality as a hole) I mean as a H O L E., not whole. LOL I hope your blood pressure is calming itself and the tea is doing it's magic for your pitiful tortured mind and repressed sexual ideas.
Lonestarry 1 year ago
@Lonestarry Ur problem is that you have no History and you would wish to be 10% of a greek woman or man with a great glorious history. I hope for you to be greek in your next life. You're full of insecurities and complexes and of course from ur behavour a human being with lots of psychological probs, because only a sick woman or man would sit saying things historically unfounded and only from his mind, for a man as great as Alexander was. Really I feel so sorry about you
maryoik 1 year ago
@Lonestarry and I suggest you - with my proper english - to restrict your jealousy and your complexes then you will understand who was Alexander the Great
maryoik 1 year ago
@maryoik LOL - I am laughing so hard at your stupidity, maryoik - you proclaim Alexander the Great to be so awesome - well, I do agree - but he is merely a drop in the bucket when it comes to awesome conquerors. I think you need to quit lecturing about things you do not know. You can't even type proper english so butt out or better yet - stick a banana up your ass and then you can pretend you are one of Alexander's sexual conquests reborn. LOL
Lonestarry 1 year ago