advanced hydrogen 5.83 LPM with a 7.15MMW

[tubasworld]

hey ! what are you been using to make the "liquid ,electrolit" baking soda, lie ... and what are the percentage of the mixtures..... how much water and the other stuff...thanks folk ...nice work!!!

[WayneDavisRocks]

an analogue volt meter would be more accurate with a pulsing dc current

[richardlyew]

thats a nice steam generator, i wonder how much HHO its actually making? maybe 50% of the output?

[moffett8]

What kind of temp,amps and volts got over 7 mmw?

[greenbynature]

Hi, i made a radiator to keep my electrolyte cool, all my tubing is oversized as well (3/4") and it seems to eliminate any steam problems, i have a water trap in line after the bubbler but as yet it has'nt even steamed up!

[richardlyew]

wow 70AMPS!!! your plates must be very very hot

[sakcheegii]

i think your real mmw is 6.5 max. please, calculate average amps and volts. Your amps running 64-70 amps, volts 13.0-13.7. You can use water pump to your dry cell if your amps and volts are changing.

[bmeade8]

Nice stu stu stutter. I've had a few of those nights testing my cell. I hope my new dry cell can do as well as yours. Good luck

[AllgoodAutomation]

This is why I Started to pump the electrolyte. When I did so the current stabilized and went up. You are also over driving your cell and wasting energy as heat.

It does not take a lot of flow to get it to stabilize.

The problem with pumping is it causes the electrolyte to foam and it is not easy to breakup. (release the HHO from the OH- (Aqueous Liquid electrolyte) This highly charged liquid tends to hold the bubbles in place and thecharge holds the HHO By the charged fields ofopposite charges.

[AllgoodAutomation]

The Reason Your Current is Jumping around is the Electrolyte between the plates is being displaced by HHO. Current goes down until the electrolyte has a chance to rush back in between the plates.

[maituub]

Interesting experiments, and nice vids but your MMW is scewed. Some tips:

To much amps for the surface area, spacing is not enough, container to high; your making to much steam. Your cells are wet-running drycells, not DRY-cells.. Real dry cells when correctly configured do not run hot, and don't make steam.

Running your car on Caustic steam is a costly

experiment, your customers wont like it.

You use 11 plates, thats 4 neutrals. Thats not good, you need 5 or 6 neutrals for 13.8 V DC.

[RoddyBry14]

A couple of quick questions:

What plate surface area?

Plate to Plate Spacing?

Electrolyte and concentration?

[justfurfunny]

first of all, what in the world is mmw? and how long are you going to be able to run your unit with that welder? I burned my welder up doing exactly what you are doing. spendy test.

[justfurfunny]

I had an ethanol stihl that worked on the same idea. The alcohol vaporized at a much lower temerature than water. The unit ran at about 190 deg. to kill the yeast and bacteria but not to contaminate the alcohol with water. Alot of ebn units run at approx. 176 deg. and dont contaminate the hho with water vapor. If that helps...

[kratomosphere]

Impressive. I cant imagine that too much of it is steam with temp being 104 degrees F. I wonder if there is a way to determine this? Great vids and great work!

[delvis11]

Assumptions included in the formula

- Gas collected holds 20 degC. However, If it is instead 10 degC or 30 degC, it will only have marginal consequences.

- Gas collected holds 1 atmospheric pressure, which is very close to the truth in most cases.

- The collected gas is saturated with water vapor, since most experimenters use a bubbler to collect the gas.

[delvis11]

i think your right about the water level. your pumping water out faster than it's going in. take a look at this:

The formula I propose and which is accurate to wathever degree is required here is:

EFFICIENCY (%) = 100 * 7744 * V /(U*I*t) where

V= Volume H2/O2 gas produced in liters

U = Voltage

I= Amperage

t= Test period in seconds

The above formula is calculated from ideal gas law and Daltons law.

[advancedhydrogen]

i think smartscarecrow emailed me and he is working on a new mmw type formula it factors in steam. as steam will always be present in the output of a cell. especially the dry cells. i assume that 1/3 of output is steam. i also plan to do a mmw with 2 bubblers the last being full of ice water. as we all know a 6x6 dry cell is the way to go if you want to run high amps and get alot of hho.. .67 lpm at 10 amp is the raw output without steam. we will see.....

[d3adp001]

use three car batteries, and redo mmw tests, also factor out steam, and temp.

[advancedhydrogen]

i have not tried a suppose it will since it will put out about 5.6 lpm at 60 amps...

[walynn2]

can you run a small gas engine with it yet?

[advancedhydrogen]

lloks like the more amps in the higher the efficiency..or steam? my plate spacing is .041 so my mmw went higher..

[moreoverunity]

Wanted to give you a quick update on my 12" Monster Cell output test at 89A. It was run at 89A and produced 8.5 LPM @ 13.8 Volts. Customer ran it for a few hours and tested LPM using bottle method and just reported back to me.

My power supply has still NOT arrived, when it does I will also post a video on bench test of it too at higher amps, but so far looks like MMW was pretty high depending on temps he was at..and how much steam (dont know that) looks like its 6.7MMW!

So we see...

[advancedhydrogen]

to run at this high an amperage need 36 plates+. maybee even 5 neutrals. this experiment was alot of fun! and it shows what a 6x6 dry cell is capable of doing! be it good or bad... the set up was 4n 4c ... nice to hear from you again moreoverunity... scott

[moreoverunity]

thats a 6" cell right? How many plates?

Looks like a 4n 3? SHould do a 21 or even 36 plater and see how it reacts to higher amps either have to add more plates to the 6" cell or increase EACH plate size with larger plates themselves.

An 8" 4n 3-4 might handle 40-60A ok I would think.

Overdriving small cells might work but must have pump and or radiator to cool the elect. Not sure can run 35-40A for any period without heat issues on 6"/ 4N 3. I will get numbers too on this.

[advancedhydrogen]

i agree! i will continue the high amp tests as that is what makes a dry cell fun! expect too see 100-200 amp test from me soon i plan to do a series. expect alot of steam! i will use 4 neutrals maybee 5 /?????

[bartley440]

I think you're getting more steam than gas! I did the same thing with my cell. Almost melted the darn thing :0). Pulled the hose off and steam sprayed all over. Gotta keep the temp down.

Keep up the good work. Fyi.. I've stayed up late a couple of nights too!

[moreoverunity]

Reinforced tubing will hold up better to the heat. :) At 65A (closer to what you were running it at) Using my dry cell .67LTR/10A baseline that's .67LPM x 6.5 (x10A) = 4.35LPM of HHO, I would expect the rest is about 1.48LPM of steam/expanded vapors. Also the temps are probably MUCH higher inside the cell, gases are expanding as well might be skewing things a bit, but Still good to see higher current tests.

4-5N 5 probably handle 60A better to get you back down to around the .33A/sq" max

[moreoverunity]

Now all we need is a 60A pwm that works :) Problem is how will the cell react with longer run times at higher amps.. Also document WATER loss in your bubbler due to steam off.. that could become an issue as well at these amps.

Steam is good for gaining MPG, cooling it first to mist and then injecting it even better.

How long did it take to go from 99F to 130F?

My 10" cell test vid at 90-100A should be up shorlty if my power supply ever arrives. I expect it to match 6" temps rise.

[advancedhydrogen]

i now have the thermo coupler inside a connector so it is in direct water contact at the output port. the water temp at high amp climbs shockingly fast! within 5 minutes the water is 120-130... now what? maybee more neutals??

[moreoverunity]

Jumping might be due to too many amps for plate size, youre shredding and vaporizing the water,turning it to foam/vapor, too fast, so the draw is varying is due to elect turning to foam across he cell That would be my guess.

If my rule of thumb of .67 L/10A holds, for dry cells, then you are probably really getting 4.02 Lpm of HHO, and about 1.81 Lter of steam/vapor.

Fill a balloon, seal it let it go. PURE HHO should rise quick, if it falls, or levels off, you have quite a bit of steam.

[advancedhydrogen]

i plan to do these test again this time using a bubbler full of ice water... maybee the steam will stay in the bubbler???

[kratomosphere]

Ahh thats it! Cooling the gas through ice water and ice should cause any water vapor to contract and condense.

[advancedhydrogen]

just wait till i run a dry cell with 100-200 amps!! video soon to come!!! think that was alot of steam just wait HE..HE!!!

[jdcmusicman]

Pretty good MMW , lot of steam but still pretty good

[advancedhydrogen]

i built a thermo coupler that goes inside the water tube at the out put i will do a video of the thero-fitting i will use it on the top fitting and on the bottom too see if there is a temp difference. also i plan to do a video of output with and without a bubbler full of ice! too see if there is a difference in out put...i have no idea how much is steam.. at 60 amps and up count on some steam! even at low water temp!!! be blessed! scott

[SmartScarecrow]

What you are seeing with the jumping amps is the sensitivity of your metter. And yes, the fluctuations are due to water level changes. Nothing unusual, nothing to be concerned with. If you were getting dramatic swings or stedily decreasing amp draw then sudden increase, then you are not getting gas out fast enough to keep the plates covered with fluid.

keep in mind, hot gas measures big ... get temp of gas during measure ...

[mikespc99]

Wow.

Do you know how much of that is steam, or water vapor ? Are you using alot of electrolyte? What makes your cells different then the others ? I am very interested.