@alancassis Well, I don't want to piss you off, but the music is annoying as hell to me, being 62. Yes, I can mute it, but then I'd miss any vocal narrative that might happen.
Four years, and we still can't buy something like this off the shelf in anything that matters. Motherboard, netbook, anything at all. Bueller? Bueller? Thanks to Wintel for trying to kill the netbook market and redefine it as the same old bloated notebook!
I just have a question, using coreboot as a Bios replacement could make it easier in the future to emulate the Apple Macintosh BIOS so it runs MAC OS natively?
yeah... and they're not as criticized as Microsoft for it that's what I don't like about them, Apple is like a wolf with a sheep costume, my question is if its technicaly possible to do reverse enginering to emulate it with coreboot.
Not using LinuxBIOS/Coreboot at this point in time, no. However MSI is currently selling several motherboards using UEFI-2 and Bios Emulation - there is work currently undergoing to add support for OSX to these boards natively.
But, even if the board can boot OSX without any extra bootloader utilities - Kernel Extensions/Drivers will still need to meddled with in most cases.
What I want to see soon is a perfectly smooth transition from the Linux Bios (Coreboot) to the Linux desktop. Now that mode setting is in the kernel this should be possible should it not? Then it twill be all perdy like the Macs. :P
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Vista is only 1K in size and is the best OS evar, Bill told me so. And soon Jerry Seinfeld will tell me as well...even though he used a Mac in all his episodes.
Although you make a valid point, Linux is flexible which makes it great for things like this. If this thing could immediately be able to use network hardware and have a web browser it would be truly awesome, but I guess there are size constraints, lol.
EFI is not bad. WTF are you talking about. PCs will eventually go to that. Bios = SLOW, EFI = Fast. Not to mention in EFI you don't have to set your boot order. Boot from CD? Just hold down C during boot.
As Frap357 correctly pointed out, EFI implements a full network stack. It can be backdoored. I never said anything good about the ancient average BIOS that most PC's have.
Coreboot is the way to go. Its totally open, configurable, simpler, lets you only install what you want. And it can dump RAM on shutdown, which is very nice for security reasons.
So what if it has a network stack. We already have wake from LAN and boot from LAN. Thats just as bad or even worse. And I'm sure the EFI way of doing things is protected. The creators of EFI would not leave it wide open like that.
I remember the good old DEC Computers (Digital Equipment Corporation - Which became Compaq) using a good old White VGA GUI BIOS, which when you come to think of looked alot like X. As it to had mouse support for point and clicking for moving windows around. Looks good, might have to give it ago. Bring back the point and click BIOS I say :P
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X is a horrible, bug ridden, insecure mistake which should have disappeared two decades ago, and you want to embed it, along with Linux, in place of your BIOS? PC hardware is unstable enough as it is.
In your BIOS? I assume your desktop is neither exposed directly to the net nor running remotely accessible services 24/~365 which other people are paying for. I consider leaving X on a production server a firing offense. The only exception would be on a restricted interface for VMware. If motherboard manufacturers start using this, are they going to add a second net interface, and restrict remote X sessions to only that interface? Not to mention everything else this invites... Telnet? SSHv1?
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Coreboot (formerly LinuxBIOS) is a lightweight firmware system designed to perform the minimum tasks needed to load and run a modern operating system. LANL, AMD, coresystems, Linux Networx, MSI, Gigabyte and Tyan have all contributed to Coreboot. Now, if you don't understand what your watching, its purpose, or future potential (because you're not a developer or a technician), then save your lobotomized comments for something you might actually be able to manage, like ingesting solid food.
"Linux cannot run anything" = False statement from a n00b.
"And i rather have a normal drive" = We all use them you idiot. Clearly the point of demonstrating Coreboot without a hard drive went over your head.
"i have been useing computers scence the earlie 90's." = Yeah and I'm Winnie The Pooh. Your poor spelling is beneath 1980's education standards. But hey, enjoy your 1981 style BIOS.
someday i'd love it if there was a hardware company with a 100% free software policy that made computers and laptops with 100% free BIOS and a 100% free operating system. maybe i could start that company, and you guys can join me
I'm definitely with you on that. Hey, let's get a cheap-ass motherboard, put Coreboot in the flash bios chip, put GRUB on Coreboot, and put Ubuntu on a hard drive!
It's nothing special in embedded OS world. As for Linux remount /etc to read-write mode only when you need to write/change config then remount it to read-only. /var can be on a RAM disk. RAM disk is volatile but that's ok. You don't need the content. If you want to save random documents you may want to save it in a external USB memory or SD card. That can be read-write mode always. If you are paranoid you can disable atime...blah blah. got it?
The best thing is a open bios. This can reduce the price of a motherboard. MB Manufactures have to pay a license to sell the software that is on a bios chip. Not significant on desktop machines but can be a big deal on a server.
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cara, isso é legal, mas esse linux é fraco, n tem como botar um pedaço do ubuntu ae n??ja com o grub todo gráfico e talz...mais uma vez, belo trabalho!
Shoulda popped for the VoomPC case. It's nice :) I'm going the same thing with a 7"TFT touchscreen, and a 2GB CF card using LinuxBIOS to boot directly from the CF.
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josepena1127 1 week ago
how the hell do you install this
fighterpiolt1992 3 weeks ago
Your video is a favorite on Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
reggielittle25 3 weeks ago
Where to buy?
TutorialsByKevin 3 months ago
@TutorialsByKevin Buy? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
drolandcorp 2 months ago
@drolandcorp Yeaahh i wanna buy it
TutorialsByKevin 2 months ago
this is how all major computer manufacture should make laptops.. nuff said
LongJohnOlsen 5 months ago 2
Could you resubmit this without the noise?
vwtch 8 months ago
Hi @vwtch, what noise did you refer to?
alancassis 8 months ago
@alancassis Well, I don't want to piss you off, but the music is annoying as hell to me, being 62. Yes, I can mute it, but then I'd miss any vocal narrative that might happen.
vwtch 8 months ago
Hi @vwtch, don't worry you didn't bother me. You can mute the music since there is no vocal narrative.
alancassis 8 months ago
Four years, and we still can't buy something like this off the shelf in anything that matters. Motherboard, netbook, anything at all. Bueller? Bueller? Thanks to Wintel for trying to kill the netbook market and redefine it as the same old bloated notebook!
realfrogfarm 8 months ago
Wow, X server on 2 MB. Nice. What is size of filesystem after uncompressing?
movax20h 1 year ago
Holy shit.
murderslastcrow 1 year ago
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pinkiruina 1 year ago
Does this bios support overclocking?
justinsn95 1 year ago
one word RESPECT!!
elfirebrand 1 year ago
Atari ST booted faster (1 sec)
schnirrschnirr 1 year ago
@schnirrschnirr yeah, and my calculator boots faster than your atari (aprox 0 sec)...you can't compare the complexity of both systems
marco7centurion 11 months ago
This would make for an EXCELLENT web server... 0.o
aliendude5300 1 year ago 3
holy shit its fast.... do you need to hot swap bios tho ???
x73rm 1 year ago
@x73rm yes, I did hot swap, but I don't suggest it. Use RD1 bios savior to do that.
acassis 1 year ago
need help please.
I'm using Ubuntu 9.10.
I want to install windows back.
I inserted Visa CD but i couldn't boot CD.
BIOS doesn't starting although i pressed F10, DEL, F8 so on.
But I don't know how to start. please help.
freetalk08 1 year ago
@freetalk08 I suggest you to contact your computer vendor because this problem not appears related to Linux, but some hardware issue.
acassis 1 year ago
I didn know you could put a "Visa" card in your pc.
RenegadeFury 1 year ago
this must be a noob question, but, can you still boot into your HDD OS? like windows, or (of course) linux???
Computerfreaq15 2 years ago
@Computerfreaq15 Yes, you can boot from OS your HDD as well. In fact booting Linux from HDD is easier than other OS.
acassis 2 years ago
a windows movie maker video, lol ^^
vince2010091 2 years ago
Where can I download this distro? :P
ikemkrueger 2 years ago
Its really fast boot with LinuxBios, i must try it.
webnull 2 years ago
This is beast
RenegadeFury 2 years ago
Fucking unreal.
166291 2 years ago
very cool!
jekader 2 years ago
WTF I meant Microsoft not Microshit.... My mind is playing tricks on me!
cyborgtroy 2 years ago 2
Damn nice
JRBendixen 2 years ago
I just have a question, using coreboot as a Bios replacement could make it easier in the future to emulate the Apple Macintosh BIOS so it runs MAC OS natively?
Ryoga2K 3 years ago 2
I doubt it, as Apple is infamous for extremely proprietary technology designed only for their machines.
aliendude5300 2 years ago 2
yeah... and they're not as criticized as Microsoft for it that's what I don't like about them, Apple is like a wolf with a sheep costume, my question is if its technicaly possible to do reverse enginering to emulate it with coreboot.
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cyborgtroy 2 years ago
Not using LinuxBIOS/Coreboot at this point in time, no. However MSI is currently selling several motherboards using UEFI-2 and Bios Emulation - there is work currently undergoing to add support for OSX to these boards natively.
But, even if the board can boot OSX without any extra bootloader utilities - Kernel Extensions/Drivers will still need to meddled with in most cases.
dione007 2 years ago
I like that song, what's the name of it? That sounds like something you hear during an action scene in a movie
skeeterb2006 3 years ago 2
Chemical Brothers - Block Rockin´ Beats
2mb13r 3 years ago
Wasn't that on the Hackers soundtrack?
cyborgtroy 3 years ago
uia
tinha que ser brasileiro mesmo pra fazer essas merda rs! bom trabalho galera
caiocc12 3 years ago
Nice Server ive got one myself, also whats the cool music:?
xtreme01hac10docter 3 years ago
Block Rockin' Beats - Chemical Brothers
alancassis 3 years ago
bloody AMAZING, i want one :D
braindigitalis 3 years ago
What I want to see soon is a perfectly smooth transition from the Linux Bios (Coreboot) to the Linux desktop. Now that mode setting is in the kernel this should be possible should it not? Then it twill be all perdy like the Macs. :P
Yfrwlf 3 years ago 2
now show me Vista doing that!
anukefromrussia 3 years ago 2
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Vista is only 1K in size and is the best OS evar, Bill told me so. And soon Jerry Seinfeld will tell me as well...even though he used a Mac in all his episodes.
Yfrwlf 3 years ago
lol I think your comment went straight over the heads of a few not-too-bright types
Keruaran 3 years ago
First show me ubuntu doing that, dumbass.
Although you make a valid point, Linux is flexible which makes it great for things like this. If this thing could immediately be able to use network hardware and have a web browser it would be truly awesome, but I guess there are size constraints, lol.
supercarzcouk 3 years ago
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C4rl0sMC 2 years ago
@me
is this possible using a usb flash drive?
supercarzcouk 3 years ago
An obvious use is to put in mosix or something,
and use it as a compute/ram node.
That's the first thing I thought directly:
compute cluster in a can ;)
hean8209 3 years ago
Actually, LinuxBIOS was developed by LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory) and used on clusters.
Frap357 3 years ago 2
My Box have EFI shell:-P
PeterStalin 3 years ago
EFI has a network stack.
I wouldn't trust it, not to be backdoored.
Frap357 3 years ago
EFI is bad mmkay...
Keruaran 3 years ago
EFI is not bad. WTF are you talking about. PCs will eventually go to that. Bios = SLOW, EFI = Fast. Not to mention in EFI you don't have to set your boot order. Boot from CD? Just hold down C during boot.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
As Frap357 correctly pointed out, EFI implements a full network stack. It can be backdoored. I never said anything good about the ancient average BIOS that most PC's have.
Coreboot is the way to go. Its totally open, configurable, simpler, lets you only install what you want. And it can dump RAM on shutdown, which is very nice for security reasons.
Keruaran 3 years ago
So what if it has a network stack. We already have wake from LAN and boot from LAN. Thats just as bad or even worse. And I'm sure the EFI way of doing things is protected. The creators of EFI would not leave it wide open like that.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
Trust me, banks wont touch it. And neither will our clients (some are Accounting firms and Law firms).
Keruaran 3 years ago
Well in about 5 years they are gonna panic. By then PCs will be using it.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
Banks and other security conscious clients will not roll out systems with an EFI BIOS. Its an unacceptable security risk. Its that simple.
A law firm that is one of our clients are already using Coreboot.
Keruaran 3 years ago
I'm sure it will be safer by then.
UbuntuLee 3 years ago
Lord! Linux embedded on that 2MB ROM? That's amazing. : )
Zencyde 3 years ago 14
@Zencyde im not surprised by that.
what realy surprises me is XORG IN 2MB!
24oscar24 1 year ago
I remember the good old DEC Computers (Digital Equipment Corporation - Which became Compaq) using a good old White VGA GUI BIOS, which when you come to think of looked alot like X. As it to had mouse support for point and clicking for moving windows around. Looks good, might have to give it ago. Bring back the point and click BIOS I say :P
xristyfer 3 years ago 2
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X is a horrible, bug ridden, insecure mistake which should have disappeared two decades ago, and you want to embed it, along with Linux, in place of your BIOS? PC hardware is unstable enough as it is.
mmhansen 3 years ago
Odd. It works well enough on my desktop every day.
blueroo 3 years ago 3
In your BIOS? I assume your desktop is neither exposed directly to the net nor running remotely accessible services 24/~365 which other people are paying for. I consider leaving X on a production server a firing offense. The only exception would be on a restricted interface for VMware. If motherboard manufacturers start using this, are they going to add a second net interface, and restrict remote X sessions to only that interface? Not to mention everything else this invites... Telnet? SSHv1?
mmhansen 3 years ago
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The comment to which this is a reply should have appeared as a reply to blueroo's reply to my first comment on this video. YouTube, you have a bug. I was using "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080311 Firefox/2.0.0.13" at the time.
mmhansen 3 years ago
He's got a point there. but on the other hand.
its open source. why not modify it urself :)
DXMDEALER 3 years ago
ae eu sei que aqui nao é o google mas pra que serve isso LinuxBIOS with X Server Inside ?
123seixas 4 years ago
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Linux cannot run anything. And i rather have a normal drive live normal people.
CTG30454 4 years ago
Coreboot (formerly LinuxBIOS) is a lightweight firmware system designed to perform the minimum tasks needed to load and run a modern operating system. LANL, AMD, coresystems, Linux Networx, MSI, Gigabyte and Tyan have all contributed to Coreboot. Now, if you don't understand what your watching, its purpose, or future potential (because you're not a developer or a technician), then save your lobotomized comments for something you might actually be able to manage, like ingesting solid food.
CerebralGump 4 years ago 6
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Look you n00b i have been useing computers scence the earlie 80's.
CTG30454 4 years ago
"Linux cannot run anything" = False statement from a n00b.
"And i rather have a normal drive" = We all use them you idiot. Clearly the point of demonstrating Coreboot without a hard drive went over your head.
"i have been useing computers scence the earlie 90's." = Yeah and I'm Winnie The Pooh. Your poor spelling is beneath 1980's education standards. But hey, enjoy your 1981 style BIOS.
Go back to sleep.
CerebralGump 4 years ago 2
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Not early 90's early 80's
CTG30454 4 years ago
A simple typo doesn't make any difference to the point being made lamer.
CerebralGump 4 years ago 3
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Well how do seem to know so much about me? You say i haven't been useing computers scence the early 80's? How do you know? You don't so shutup.
CTG30454 4 years ago
I don't, your idiocy is on display for all to see.
CerebralGump 4 years ago 8
someday i'd love it if there was a hardware company with a 100% free software policy that made computers and laptops with 100% free BIOS and a 100% free operating system. maybe i could start that company, and you guys can join me
afarnen 4 years ago 5
with 'ya all the way on that!
Groudon185p 4 years ago
It is called OLPC
tricky778 4 years ago
except OLPC has no plans of selling their laptops to the public. but other than that, yes.
afarnen 4 years ago
They were selling them to the public in november at least.
tricky778 4 years ago
like i'm all for their cause, i think it's wonderful, but still at the same time i want one of those laptops!
afarnen 4 years ago
Hell yeah !
CerebralGump 4 years ago
I'm definitely with you on that. Hey, let's get a cheap-ass motherboard, put Coreboot in the flash bios chip, put GRUB on Coreboot, and put Ubuntu on a hard drive!
flaming0nerd 3 years ago
aq sizin de serverinızında
korkusuz2140 4 years ago
So I would assume that you would still need the HD for your apps, but the os itself would come up that quick! wow thats pretty cool :)
docchocobo 4 years ago
Why use a hard drive at all? You could use a simple compact flash card and go solid state.
THEW01F 4 years ago
True, this would be a really awesome thing if not for the fact that compact flash has a limited number of write cycles before failure.
Set your winxp swap file to one and watch the carnage lol :)
docchocobo 4 years ago
No need to tell me. But still there are way around that. And future technology will have that write-cycle licked I am sure.
THEW01F 4 years ago
It's nothing special in embedded OS world. As for Linux remount /etc to read-write mode only when you need to write/change config then remount it to read-only. /var can be on a RAM disk. RAM disk is volatile but that's ok. You don't need the content. If you want to save random documents you may want to save it in a external USB memory or SD card. That can be read-write mode always. If you are paranoid you can disable atime...blah blah. got it?
kenboo246 4 years ago
The best thing is a open bios. This can reduce the price of a motherboard. MB Manufactures have to pay a license to sell the software that is on a bios chip. Not significant on desktop machines but can be a big deal on a server.
Astinsan 4 years ago
Several bits of hardware do just that. Like the ASUS Eee PC and the OLPC XO laptop.
tricky778 4 years ago
Actually, the ASUS Eee PC uses AMIBIOS, which isn't free.
jennifermontes 3 years ago
i don't know about this stuff at all, but i say cool just like others...
kumsamut 4 years ago
let freedom ring this now my new project
segagman 4 years ago
Really nice job, impressive stuff.
Olympeus 4 years ago
Very impressive!
- 5 seconds to boot!
- 2 seconds to X start!
- No HD.
bagdahere 4 years ago
do you guy remember riscOS (reduced instruction set computer) from the arcorns that was cool, (can you still install an OS on the hardrive?)
dobby156 4 years ago
yes, you can install others OS on the harddrive, but you LinuxBIOS needs get support to start this OS.
alancassis 4 years ago
Nice.
Vnix 4 years ago
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fodacash 4 years ago
dobra sprawa, ciekawe kiedy beda normalni montowane takie biosy, napewno by to obnizylo ceny plyt
bernanio 4 years ago
Lo mismo opino
suprememind 4 years ago
Nice job.. Linux flashing into a Bios...
how many space dows a BIOS chip like this have?
Vollhorst111 4 years ago
2mb xD
Vollhorst111 4 years ago
foda pqp
MrFFranco 4 years ago
you did a great job.. :D
KillBoyMotz 4 years ago
Its basically what happens when you turn on a calculator... Its still fricken awesome though.
mouseboyx 4 years ago
This is simply awesome, seriously.
Cytricity 4 years ago
Bastante interessante. 2mb, deu pra jogar um kernel ripado e o X (ok é o TinyX, mas e daí? é X! :D )
freakcoda 4 years ago
AWESOME!!! Linux is much better than windows!
orewszachor 4 years ago
Well, just stumbled onto this video while looking into using LinuxBIOS on my car media PC (for the 3rd or 4th time).
Current boot time for the carPC is ~20 seconds. I'm hoping to drop it to less than 5.
tin2001 4 years ago
Awesome! Nice job.
floovian 4 years ago
o m f g, VIVA LINUX REVOLUTION! OWNED!
sun666jester 4 years ago
cool i don't usally like thing to do with pc but this is kinda cool
Rjnicko 4 years ago
foda d+! mas é uma bios por conjuto diferente??
cara, isso é legal, mas esse linux é fraco, n tem como botar um pedaço do ubuntu ae n??ja com o grub todo gráfico e talz...mais uma vez, belo trabalho!
gmourao 4 years ago
..AWESOME!
Jarkendia 4 years ago
that is more like it
In2Tech 4 years ago
can't wait to see a Linux distro packed into CPU's microcode.
sdemon121 4 years ago
Wow.
rnna999 4 years ago
Very-very good! You guys rocks!
syncat 4 years ago
Shoulda popped for the VoomPC case. It's nice :) I'm going the same thing with a 7"TFT touchscreen, and a 2GB CF card using LinuxBIOS to boot directly from the CF.
xorfive 4 years ago
Awesome.. finally a worthy RISCOS competitor :)
44Bigs 4 years ago
Slick... just wish I could put Linux bios on all the PIII's here and turn them into free Xterminals.
Be great to dump the hard disks.
bpechter 4 years ago
Very cool!!
SupaDupaHupa 4 years ago
Way to go!
ttovenaar 4 years ago
Why its done on microsoft movie maker?
mohkof 4 years ago
Hi mohkof,
I developed the system, the movie was developed by my friend Marcelo Barros.
He is improving his skills on Cinelerra, a Linux video editor, and I need the movie as soon as possible.
alancassis 4 years ago
amazing!!!!
behemonth 4 years ago
Totaly sweet! :)
What is the biggest BIOS chip? would be cool with a 64 mbyte one :D
Frap357 4 years ago
Hi Frap357,
currently 2MB is the biggest one, but I hope SST and others will release bigger BIOS flash.
alancassis 4 years ago
Good job alancassis
I think the 4MB model number is: SST39VF040-70-4I-NHE.
fseine 4 years ago
Hi fseine,
sorry to say but it is 4Mbit = 512KB.
Currently the biggest BIOS flash is 2MB, but it will change soon, I hope so.
alancassis 4 years ago
Oh. I must've misread.
I'm always messing up some mundane detail.
fseine 4 years ago
cooooooooooooooool!
wwwPNACATTACKcom 4 years ago
most excellent. The LinuxBIOS project is truly worthy. I look forward to seeing more mobos supported.
bakcompat 4 years ago
Gratz!
Obeusz 4 years ago
that is cool...
duxxyuk 4 years ago
awsome job!
dat2052 4 years ago
muito bom trabalho kra, espero poder algum dia usar uma linuxBIOS para lidar melhor com o hardware do que essas bios sem recursos que vem nas MoBos.
MusashiDJ 4 years ago
Impressive
redsummers 4 years ago
Great job! Congratulations!
lucasvrbr 4 years ago
Nice, I am suspect to say, I know, but it was a great job, Alan !
marcelobarrosalmeida 4 years ago