I'm not suggesting I don't find such things as you suggest about your friend's mother interesting. I go there in my mind, too. But posts like QualiaSoup's on anecdotal evidence and critical thinking, to name a few, should be viewed and considered.
ucla kinda like a college town hahahahah oh yes i travelled all over mexico looking fotr don juan so i could be a magnificent bean,prollem was i only found me to be a jumpin bean,with a woerm in my brain from pork tacos,soon i meet infinity,archons beware,i know the forms to pass through your gates,and here they who are you? reply a child of the creator,and wence do you go, I go to my creator,would you like to rest with us,no thank
I bought into Castaneda from the very beginning and refused to listen to reason, but after reading his 4th book all kinds of red flags errupted. Once I became a practitioner of astral projection (it's been around from the dawn of time) I knew there was something wrong with Castanedas' tales. He made it all up. Quit worshiping an abusive cult leader con man.
@JohnLennon100 Well, for starters, why did Castaneda die of cancer, an ordinary death? If any human being on earth was capable of doing what he said he had prepared for and been taught for years by Don Juan Matus to accomplish...which was instead of dying like humans do he would burn his awareness, body, his total essence out of this world and into another, thus not being devoured by 'the eagle'...it was Carlos Castaneda.
First of all, understand that I just wnat to know Why you said that. You cant go writing ideas without support. Second, I've read some Castaneda's book but I haven't gone that deep in a research about him. Thirdly, I dont want to defend anything, I just want to know the truth behind it. That's not always possible by any means, I know. We only get some info and we let our bodies respond to that and then we can make our own conlcusions.
Now, dying of cancer doesn;t prove that he wasn;t able to do what he claimed to do in his books. For example Osho was treated like a holy man too even had a sect of followers and he died of cancer too! Not everything is black or white. Life works in mysterious ways so just basing on the illness he died for doesn't prove anything at all.
@xtiml Castaneda knew that he was going to have to explain 'his failure to launch' somewhere along the line, because after all, he was only a storyteller and not a nagual. Actually he wrote that Don Juan had misread his energy from the very beginning...so he put the blame on him.
Xtiml, I've been into discovering alternative realities since the 60's. Castaneda was clever at spinning a story, but was unable to put it into action because most of it was/is unattainable, misleading and wrong.
@JohnLennon100 Why did a few of his 'witches' then collect his remains and disappear and most likely commit suicide? Blue Scout was found dead in a car out in the desert: suicide. The others have never surfaced anywhere. Amy Wallace, one of his 'witches', was suicidal after his death but pulled through it and eventually wrote what I know in my heart to be the truth about Castaneda and who and what he really was. Have you read it?
@Boris82much The disappearing of some of his followers doesn't mean anything in particular ... Don Juan also dissapeared ... The opinion of Amy Wallace doesn't prove anything either. Maybe amy was paid by a secret sect to debunk CC and stop people to grow spiritually, Why not? The people who control the world and practicioners of black magic and the last thing they want us to do is to get wiser and more advanced cause that way their agenda would crumble to the ground in little pieces.
Again you stick to your non-sense affirmations with no support whatsoever. Probably they mean something to you because that's the way you feel, but it means nothing to me. So ...if Don Juan never existed ....How come CC came with such incredible information that has been confirmed with real shamans and scholars on the subject? ... Try not not go astray OUT OF YOUR BODY.
@JohnLennon100 @JohnLennon100 Like what? Confirmed? Do you mean there are things in his writings he could have learned from stuff already written? That's how it seems to me. You make it sound like the fact that some stuff relates to things said by "real shamans and scholars (interesting choice of words)" means CC must have actually experienced it. That's a poor argument. Who knows, maybe it's true. Nothing very convincing though, and good reasons to believe it isn't.
When you have a constricted mind all arguments will be poor.I'm not puttingmyhandsin the fire for CC,maybe he was a jerk as a person.What I said and you don't seem to grasp,isthat Don Juan Ideology touches universal spiritual and philosofical ideas that can be read from other sources like the Tao Te Ching, Zen writings and other indian traditions.If you're ignorant to this you won't see the link.It's deep stuff that CC couldn't have come up to just like that unless he was a genius
I grasped that. I see the links very well. This also gives me a lot of insight about how his brilliant mind likely weaved it so compellingly, and the sources drawn from. You are right that he was a ingenious. He was amazing. But, as you suggest, he didn't have to come up with it. That's what you are can't seem to see. Certainly there is much original stuff in there that may be true. It may all be true. If not, then I doubt the unique parts are reliable. Have good results come?
Mostly I'm saying that it seems to me that he was ingenious, came at the right time, captivated so many because he wove great tales based on perennial, mystical, shamanic elements from all cultures. That astute readers saw how it hearkens to things found in other cultures and traditions made it even more convincing. But, there is good reason to believe it had nothing to do with his experience, and he put in lots that would confuse and cause folks trouble if taken as a coherent, practical path.
@shunyotube Well the scary part of this is that some people would cling to these books and made them a belief system which it seems preposterous to me.I find the books very different, with insights coming from others sources I've read as well but something thatI'll never do is to idolize the man.I think in two most probable sources of this:Either Don Juan really existed and CC just transcribed these experiences,OR CC was a genius capable of generate all these stories and spiritual revelations.
@shunyotube Anther theory: He stole from somebody else. This one seems less likely given the span and number of books published, but he could have manipulated somebody to do it anyway. Who knows. I'm re-reading the active side of the infinite,it is my favorite of the 5 books I've read so far. For me it is entertaining and it provides me some insights of life but I don't give it too much importance.Deepak Chpra is very good too even though I don't like him either that much.
From what I've seen so far in my life, 99% of anything touched by man gets corrupted. That's the nature of man and we have to understand that. There's nothing pure in human flesh. I've learned to respect and learn from aspects of man. Never Idolize anybody because at that point you're also loving the vices, the damaged part, the corrupted, the flawed.
Cool. I think we are of pretty similar minds on this, and would have a good time talking in person. I certainly do find the books great. But, I also do have a negative bias about some of it. Some of the stuff about things like the Death Defier, the Tumbler, Inorganic Beings (like archons), recapitulation, smokable shrooms, and a lot of other things sound like very interesting things that seem more plausible once a faith has been established, that might not be warranted.
And that's where folks can get really sucked in, and deeply frightened by what could happen if they don't find a way to escape these horrifying threats. It is horrifying to contemplate that these things he says are true, and yet no realistic possibility to do what a sorcerer must do an know to escape. And, it's likely fabricated, brilliant writing from a man that doesn't care about the effect it has on believers. Now, that may be unfair, and he's for real. I just think there's reason to doubt it
We could write for hours ....I'm giving you an example. I have a friend whose mother was psychic and according to my friend she had horrible encounters with the devil, fighting him/it. Now, if we try to normalize this info to CC's ideas, you could think that the devil=energy sucker entities, looking for this woman to take her high energy away and she trying to get rid of the entity. See? Then you start thinking; Well, this loony CC could be fucking right! you see?
Yes, there are a lot of things that are really mind blowing, but I believe that we live in a very mysterious world and there are thousands of things that we simply don't know.I like to read at them and wonder that they could be true.Yes, CC has a whole mythology in his books that is hard to believe. and then I get astonished to find connections with David Icke! ...then I came up with the conclusion that the only way we can sort of verify these weird ideas is through corroboration.
Yes, and Icke is a good example of what I'm talking about. Some things he has written seem cool to me, and then it gets totally funky and absurd, in my opinion. Really absurd. But, hey that my opinion. I fully agree that there are things we don't know and are probably amazing. I am interested in Eastern stuff like Buddhism, and yet find much of it to be absurd. Other parts seem like technology worth investigating, like the jhanas and insight practices. Well, QualiaSoup's channel good to study.
For the moment I've dedicated to have fun with Icke, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Sitchin, Cori, Marciniak, etc.That's my Sci-Fi. But really what I'm looking for is a way to find peace of mind. To really be able to get out of this rat race, worrying, anguish, pain, and stupidity.I'm trying to break the chains,to find the blue pill (or the red) that will take me to reality, which is not the matrix's but the calmness of the spirit and the infinite power of doing it all without doing nothing
Do that, but Drunvalo says dolphins are from the Pleadies, which are a consolation of stars. Only looked into him a bit, so don't claim to know his works...and appreciated the things he informed me about the Platonic Solids and other cool stuff. I do admit my mind closes when I hear much of what he says, though.
Fully agree with you about wanting to escape the anguish, etc. That's just where I am. And the blue/red pill question haunts me. Which do I really want to take?
@shunyotube I didn't remember which pill was used to get to the real world, that's why I wrote bothe colors. I mean the one Neo took. Regarding Drunvalo, he was the first I read about this forbidden archaelogy info. But after 10 years I realized the darkness in him.
Regarding the absurd ...I dont know exactly what you're referring to that but I've found that all things are absurd by nature and we get thrown down everytime by this because we use the mind and according to that we're looking for logic in all things. You see ...everyday news are absurd! and still people pay attention to that and still don't realize it. That's what the Taoists call the paradox. It appears to us in every moment and we either accept it as the truth or we reject it.
@Boris82much Didn't Castaneda talk about Genaro swimming on the earth, expressing his love for the very thing that gives him life, comforted him when he was sad, lonely, lost etc.? What can be wrong with that? He stated that the problem with most men is that they are oriented against the earth, the very thing that can bring them peace. No fraud or charlatan can come up with that. To garner this one pearl of wisdom, this one truth is to put all his work in proper perspective.
@DustOnTheRoad That one pearl of wisdom was a very very very old pearl, Dust. It was not original. Such a belief can be found woven into many many cultures. Even Bob Monroe, author of 3 infamous out-of-body books, had an encounter with The Mother Earth (which is a belief I have always held). My point is that Castaneda plagarized everything. He stole and claimed it was all true. When someone lies like that I would be an ass to continue to believe ANYTHING he or she claimed as real. Forget it.
@JohnLennon100 Castaneda fits with the profile of a cult leader just perfectly. But where I feel he really did the most harm was the fear he brought to the idea of humans being able to explore other areas of consciousness, other worlds. There IS NOT anything to fear--boogey man or the devil or energy-sucking deviants aint gonna get ya--but Castaneda incorporated his Catholicism with Yaqui and various First Nation beliefs, establishing new fear-based beliefs.
I believe he was aright about being careful when you dive in the realms of the occult. Have you heard about the ouija board? Well, do some research and link that to what CC said about these evil entities. I know a close firend of mine whose mother used to fight the devil of whatever you want to call these black entities. The feed off energy which we accumulate through spiritual practices. CC only warned of the perils of immersing in those worlds.
Finally you are basing yopur conclusions in loose ideas. I'm not saying that CC was a fraud. Maybe he was, what I'm saying is that you don't have grounds to take the merits away of a man who gave so much inspiration to the world. In the worst case scenario, nevermind his life just concentrate on the books ....they are teachings compatible with the Tao, Zen, Buddhism, etc. and so far there's not one Toltec who has discredited those books. So, keep digging my friend.
Please read Amy Wallace's book, The Sorcerer's Apprentice. For over 20 years she was one of his 'witches' and her published experience finally paints the real Castaneda, the cult leader and his cult followers.
When was the video made? The apartment looks slightly different now, I was just visited there today:)
banway 5 months ago
I'm not suggesting I don't find such things as you suggest about your friend's mother interesting. I go there in my mind, too. But posts like QualiaSoup's on anecdotal evidence and critical thinking, to name a few, should be viewed and considered.
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube I'll certainly check it out.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100
Nice chatting. I'm in Taipei, so it's bed time. Later, friend.
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube Nice chatting to you too.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
ucla kinda like a college town hahahahah oh yes i travelled all over mexico looking fotr don juan so i could be a magnificent bean,prollem was i only found me to be a jumpin bean,with a woerm in my brain from pork tacos,soon i meet infinity,archons beware,i know the forms to pass through your gates,and here they who are you? reply a child of the creator,and wence do you go, I go to my creator,would you like to rest with us,no thank
xtiml 1 year ago
@xtiml
Yes, and you can go fuck yourself now .....moron ....
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 goodness gracious!!! yu funnie.,my real name iz elvis presley.
xtiml 1 year ago
I bought into Castaneda from the very beginning and refused to listen to reason, but after reading his 4th book all kinds of red flags errupted. Once I became a practitioner of astral projection (it's been around from the dawn of time) I knew there was something wrong with Castanedas' tales. He made it all up. Quit worshiping an abusive cult leader con man.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@Boris82much
So ....Why do you say that? What proof do you have to say Carlos was lying?
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 Well, for starters, why did Castaneda die of cancer, an ordinary death? If any human being on earth was capable of doing what he said he had prepared for and been taught for years by Don Juan Matus to accomplish...which was instead of dying like humans do he would burn his awareness, body, his total essence out of this world and into another, thus not being devoured by 'the eagle'...it was Carlos Castaneda.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@Boris82much
First of all, understand that I just wnat to know Why you said that. You cant go writing ideas without support. Second, I've read some Castaneda's book but I haven't gone that deep in a research about him. Thirdly, I dont want to defend anything, I just want to know the truth behind it. That's not always possible by any means, I know. We only get some info and we let our bodies respond to that and then we can make our own conlcusions.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@Boris82much
Now, dying of cancer doesn;t prove that he wasn;t able to do what he claimed to do in his books. For example Osho was treated like a holy man too even had a sect of followers and he died of cancer too! Not everything is black or white. Life works in mysterious ways so just basing on the illness he died for doesn't prove anything at all.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@Boris82much he himself admitted he failed as a nagual the task don juan was training him for.
xtiml 1 year ago
@xtiml Castaneda knew that he was going to have to explain 'his failure to launch' somewhere along the line, because after all, he was only a storyteller and not a nagual. Actually he wrote that Don Juan had misread his energy from the very beginning...so he put the blame on him.
Xtiml, I've been into discovering alternative realities since the 60's. Castaneda was clever at spinning a story, but was unable to put it into action because most of it was/is unattainable, misleading and wrong.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 Why did a few of his 'witches' then collect his remains and disappear and most likely commit suicide? Blue Scout was found dead in a car out in the desert: suicide. The others have never surfaced anywhere. Amy Wallace, one of his 'witches', was suicidal after his death but pulled through it and eventually wrote what I know in my heart to be the truth about Castaneda and who and what he really was. Have you read it?
Boris82much 1 year ago
@Boris82much The disappearing of some of his followers doesn't mean anything in particular ... Don Juan also dissapeared ... The opinion of Amy Wallace doesn't prove anything either. Maybe amy was paid by a secret sect to debunk CC and stop people to grow spiritually, Why not? The people who control the world and practicioners of black magic and the last thing they want us to do is to get wiser and more advanced cause that way their agenda would crumble to the ground in little pieces.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 Don Juan never existed. Therefore, Castaneda's parapsychological claims have no credibility. Zilch.
Move on. There are credible out-of-body and astral projection authors/pioneers out there.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@Boris82much
Again you stick to your non-sense affirmations with no support whatsoever. Probably they mean something to you because that's the way you feel, but it means nothing to me. So ...if Don Juan never existed ....How come CC came with such incredible information that has been confirmed with real shamans and scholars on the subject? ... Try not not go astray OUT OF YOUR BODY.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 @JohnLennon100 Like what? Confirmed? Do you mean there are things in his writings he could have learned from stuff already written? That's how it seems to me. You make it sound like the fact that some stuff relates to things said by "real shamans and scholars (interesting choice of words)" means CC must have actually experienced it. That's a poor argument. Who knows, maybe it's true. Nothing very convincing though, and good reasons to believe it isn't.
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube
When you have a constricted mind all arguments will be poor.I'm not puttingmyhandsin the fire for CC,maybe he was a jerk as a person.What I said and you don't seem to grasp,isthat Don Juan Ideology touches universal spiritual and philosofical ideas that can be read from other sources like the Tao Te Ching, Zen writings and other indian traditions.If you're ignorant to this you won't see the link.It's deep stuff that CC couldn't have come up to just like that unless he was a genius
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100
I grasped that. I see the links very well. This also gives me a lot of insight about how his brilliant mind likely weaved it so compellingly, and the sources drawn from. You are right that he was a ingenious. He was amazing. But, as you suggest, he didn't have to come up with it. That's what you are can't seem to see. Certainly there is much original stuff in there that may be true. It may all be true. If not, then I doubt the unique parts are reliable. Have good results come?
shunyotube 1 year ago
Mostly I'm saying that it seems to me that he was ingenious, came at the right time, captivated so many because he wove great tales based on perennial, mystical, shamanic elements from all cultures. That astute readers saw how it hearkens to things found in other cultures and traditions made it even more convincing. But, there is good reason to believe it had nothing to do with his experience, and he put in lots that would confuse and cause folks trouble if taken as a coherent, practical path.
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube Well the scary part of this is that some people would cling to these books and made them a belief system which it seems preposterous to me.I find the books very different, with insights coming from others sources I've read as well but something thatI'll never do is to idolize the man.I think in two most probable sources of this:Either Don Juan really existed and CC just transcribed these experiences,OR CC was a genius capable of generate all these stories and spiritual revelations.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@shunyotube Anther theory: He stole from somebody else. This one seems less likely given the span and number of books published, but he could have manipulated somebody to do it anyway. Who knows. I'm re-reading the active side of the infinite,it is my favorite of the 5 books I've read so far. For me it is entertaining and it provides me some insights of life but I don't give it too much importance.Deepak Chpra is very good too even though I don't like him either that much.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@shunyotube
From what I've seen so far in my life, 99% of anything touched by man gets corrupted. That's the nature of man and we have to understand that. There's nothing pure in human flesh. I've learned to respect and learn from aspects of man. Never Idolize anybody because at that point you're also loving the vices, the damaged part, the corrupted, the flawed.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100
Cool. I think we are of pretty similar minds on this, and would have a good time talking in person. I certainly do find the books great. But, I also do have a negative bias about some of it. Some of the stuff about things like the Death Defier, the Tumbler, Inorganic Beings (like archons), recapitulation, smokable shrooms, and a lot of other things sound like very interesting things that seem more plausible once a faith has been established, that might not be warranted.
shunyotube 1 year ago
And that's where folks can get really sucked in, and deeply frightened by what could happen if they don't find a way to escape these horrifying threats. It is horrifying to contemplate that these things he says are true, and yet no realistic possibility to do what a sorcerer must do an know to escape. And, it's likely fabricated, brilliant writing from a man that doesn't care about the effect it has on believers. Now, that may be unfair, and he's for real. I just think there's reason to doubt it
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube
We could write for hours ....I'm giving you an example. I have a friend whose mother was psychic and according to my friend she had horrible encounters with the devil, fighting him/it. Now, if we try to normalize this info to CC's ideas, you could think that the devil=energy sucker entities, looking for this woman to take her high energy away and she trying to get rid of the entity. See? Then you start thinking; Well, this loony CC could be fucking right! you see?
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@shunyotube
Yes, there are a lot of things that are really mind blowing, but I believe that we live in a very mysterious world and there are thousands of things that we simply don't know.I like to read at them and wonder that they could be true.Yes, CC has a whole mythology in his books that is hard to believe. and then I get astonished to find connections with David Icke! ...then I came up with the conclusion that the only way we can sort of verify these weird ideas is through corroboration.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
Yes, and Icke is a good example of what I'm talking about. Some things he has written seem cool to me, and then it gets totally funky and absurd, in my opinion. Really absurd. But, hey that my opinion. I fully agree that there are things we don't know and are probably amazing. I am interested in Eastern stuff like Buddhism, and yet find much of it to be absurd. Other parts seem like technology worth investigating, like the jhanas and insight practices. Well, QualiaSoup's channel good to study.
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube
For the moment I've dedicated to have fun with Icke, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Sitchin, Cori, Marciniak, etc.That's my Sci-Fi. But really what I'm looking for is a way to find peace of mind. To really be able to get out of this rat race, worrying, anguish, pain, and stupidity.I'm trying to break the chains,to find the blue pill (or the red) that will take me to reality, which is not the matrix's but the calmness of the spirit and the infinite power of doing it all without doing nothing
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100
Do that, but Drunvalo says dolphins are from the Pleadies, which are a consolation of stars. Only looked into him a bit, so don't claim to know his works...and appreciated the things he informed me about the Platonic Solids and other cool stuff. I do admit my mind closes when I hear much of what he says, though.
Fully agree with you about wanting to escape the anguish, etc. That's just where I am. And the blue/red pill question haunts me. Which do I really want to take?
shunyotube 1 year ago
@shunyotube I didn't remember which pill was used to get to the real world, that's why I wrote bothe colors. I mean the one Neo took. Regarding Drunvalo, he was the first I read about this forbidden archaelogy info. But after 10 years I realized the darkness in him.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@shunyotube
Regarding the absurd ...I dont know exactly what you're referring to that but I've found that all things are absurd by nature and we get thrown down everytime by this because we use the mind and according to that we're looking for logic in all things. You see ...everyday news are absurd! and still people pay attention to that and still don't realize it. That's what the Taoists call the paradox. It appears to us in every moment and we either accept it as the truth or we reject it.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@Boris82much Didn't Castaneda talk about Genaro swimming on the earth, expressing his love for the very thing that gives him life, comforted him when he was sad, lonely, lost etc.? What can be wrong with that? He stated that the problem with most men is that they are oriented against the earth, the very thing that can bring them peace. No fraud or charlatan can come up with that. To garner this one pearl of wisdom, this one truth is to put all his work in proper perspective.
DustOnTheRoad 1 year ago
@DustOnTheRoad That one pearl of wisdom was a very very very old pearl, Dust. It was not original. Such a belief can be found woven into many many cultures. Even Bob Monroe, author of 3 infamous out-of-body books, had an encounter with The Mother Earth (which is a belief I have always held). My point is that Castaneda plagarized everything. He stole and claimed it was all true. When someone lies like that I would be an ass to continue to believe ANYTHING he or she claimed as real. Forget it.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@JohnLennon100 Castaneda fits with the profile of a cult leader just perfectly. But where I feel he really did the most harm was the fear he brought to the idea of humans being able to explore other areas of consciousness, other worlds. There IS NOT anything to fear--boogey man or the devil or energy-sucking deviants aint gonna get ya--but Castaneda incorporated his Catholicism with Yaqui and various First Nation beliefs, establishing new fear-based beliefs.
Boris82much 1 year ago
@Boris82much
I believe he was aright about being careful when you dive in the realms of the occult. Have you heard about the ouija board? Well, do some research and link that to what CC said about these evil entities. I know a close firend of mine whose mother used to fight the devil of whatever you want to call these black entities. The feed off energy which we accumulate through spiritual practices. CC only warned of the perils of immersing in those worlds.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@Boris82much
Finally you are basing yopur conclusions in loose ideas. I'm not saying that CC was a fraud. Maybe he was, what I'm saying is that you don't have grounds to take the merits away of a man who gave so much inspiration to the world. In the worst case scenario, nevermind his life just concentrate on the books ....they are teachings compatible with the Tao, Zen, Buddhism, etc. and so far there's not one Toltec who has discredited those books. So, keep digging my friend.
JohnLennon100 1 year ago
@Boris82much but ya gotta admit they were very good tales and did have soem of the universal truths in them.
xtiml 1 year ago
Please read Amy Wallace's book, The Sorcerer's Apprentice. For over 20 years she was one of his 'witches' and her published experience finally paints the real Castaneda, the cult leader and his cult followers.
Boris82much 1 year ago