StarCraft 2 - SC373 - Socke (P) vs Inuh (T) on Metalopolis Part 2

[imilkdude]

ghost emp is balls

[Wakookaka]

How to fight psi storm 101: a) Get tanks and ghosts, b) Go bioball and clump everything together relying only on 1a... CAN YOU GUESS WHICH?!

[sor3999]

Army and income tabs are far more useful than production.

[H0R5H0E]

I think the idea behind the Colossus' splash dmg, is that Protoss technology has more precision, than this game's graphics or mechanics programming has sophistication.

Not meant as an attack on the programmers at all; quite the opposite, making the robot shoot lasers at exactly the enemy targets, or -drawing- this on-screen, would be too much computation, for a playable online game, compared to the gains. I think we are just to say that the Colossus is shooting better than it appears to.

[joelpalkia]

ghosts =op mmm=op seige tanks=op vikings=op banshees wif cloak=op scv=extremely op(lol) stim=op terran=op lings=up mutas=op ultralisk=up brood lord= up hydralisk= up zerg=up zealot=up stalker=up void rays=up high templars=op collosi =op protoss=up as u can see...everything of terran is op. CONCLUSION : XONDIL IS A FUCKTARD!

[AdrianF1994]

@joelpalkia and you must be a 700 platinum shallow minded retard.

[joelpalkia]

@AdrianF1994 and you must be a 1000000000000000000000000 bronze serios noob retard.

[Xondil]

@joelpalkia So, according to you everything terran does in OP'ed. How does that make me the fucktard? Wouldn't you be the reject if you lose to everything a terran does to you? We're on different lvls my friend, i suspect that your mind can not comprehend how complex what I say is.

[Xondil]

@Xondil *IS*

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil I suspect you're stuck in bronze league and know you're retarded. Only a retard would claim that protoss' shield doesn't count as their life LMFAO.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 and only mindless scrubs like yourself, who apparently cant read, count shields as Hp's, the two have nothing in common. Do you even know what life is?its the that green bar that appears over your units. When that drops to 0, the units dies, now try to follow this small brain, when you deplete, i know thats a big word, let me use this, when the shields are gone bye bye, the unit doesnt die, because, like ive said before but you morons cant seem to handle, shields are not hp's.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil So what you're saying is that shields are just there to look pretty? My god you're a fucking moron hahahahaha. I can't believe you're still hanging on to that failed logic. I think you need to take a step back and really read what you are saying to see how fucking stupid it really is. If sheilds aren't life then what exactly are they?

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil You know what, it occured to me that you're a special kind of retarded, so I'm going to break it down real slow for you. I'm going to give you a hypothetical situation so you can better understand this simple concept.

Zealot vs marauder; marauader attack is 10 zealot life(including shield) is 150(ignore armour and bonuses for this cause I don't know what they are). Marauder takes 15 shots to kill. Now if you use EMP it only takes 10 shots to kill.

DO YOU FUCKING GET IT YET?!?!?!?!

[startingsprinter]

@shaggytwodope666 10 shots is still a lot of shots, considering the complete MMM army got entirely wiped out with 2 psistorms...

[shaggytwodope666]

@startingsprinter EMP outranges psistorm, two players with equal skill the terran player shouldn't have that hard of a time disabling the templars before they can do damage. Don't forget ghosts can also cloak which makes them much more resilient.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil So did you make it out of bronze leauge yet, you stupid piece of shit?

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil You're still a fucking retard, just thought I'd let you know.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 and you're still a cock sucking whorebag with the intelligence of a pile of shit, thought id let you know that, since the stench of your breath probably clouds not only your judgment but also your communication skills. Id suggest going down to the local bar, finding some 2 dollar whore, and tell her how much you rock at starcraft, maybe then someone might care.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil Still upset because you just found out that although retardation is a disability you can't actually get government cheques for it? Don't worry, I'm sure your family cares enough about you to sustain your worthless life.

Go on some more about how protoss shields don't count towards their lfie, please. It's amusing to watch you make a fool out of yourself even further.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 Firstly, just cuz Crota calls it life, doesn't make it correct, let me try to expand that tiny shit brain you have. This is the amount of LIFE a zealot has 100, this is the amount of shields a zealot has 50. Do tell, why do morons like you plop them together? Maybe because, to you its all the same, yet no matter how much you try, they're not Why? 1: shields regen, life does not. 2 shield absorb damage, life does not. 3 not until all the shields are gone, does damage count.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil Zerg units regain HP, so does that mean it does not count as life? How the fuck do shields absorb damage but life doesn't? So if you have a thor that has 3 scv's repairing it, it's hp all of a sudden doesn't count as life because it's not going to die?

Your argument is fo full of fail it hurts my fucking head. The whole basis of it is that you don't consider EMP to cause damage to protoss units......... Any sane person can see how fucking retarded this is, I guess thats why you can't

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 /facepalm. I really like how you bring something up, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. So ill just ignore that zerg bit, cuz regen isnt what we're talking about little girl. I believe we were talking about shields. Yeah im pretty sure that was the topic you decided to nerdrage on. You see, on any other unit -NOT ZERG- when you hit them, the life doesnt regen UNLIKE ZERG. Thors, dont regen life without those SCV's... EMP does NOT do literal damage.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil You consider shields not part of health because they regenerate, that was one of the points you brought up. So I called into fact that zerg units regenerate as well and that we still consider that life.

You lact the ability to think critically, or to really think at all. Your mother must have been a heavy drinker when she was pregnant with you. Not really your fault that you're a mental midget, but please refrain from spouting your worthless crap on subects you have no clue about.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 Without those Scv's repairing, medivac healin' no "regen" for terrans, the fact of the matter is you just dont understand, and thats ok! You dont have to use that lack of understanding as fuel for your rage. I know people like yourself fear and hate what they dont understand, and I'll forgive you for that, just try to use your brain for more productive things, like learning how to carry a conversation that has valid points, and less insults. But asking that of you is pointless.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil hows bronze league treating ya?

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 lol, get a life. You are insignificant.

in·sig·nif·i·cant/ˌinsigˈnifik­ənt/Adjective

1. Too small or unimportant to be worth consideration.

2. (of a person) Without power or influence.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil Then stop responding to me, unless ofcourse you're even more insignificant than I apparently am..........

You probably won't understand that, seeing as even the most basic logic doesn't seem to get through to you.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 Ive managed to prove time and time again, that they are not the same. And small brains like yourself and others that are only capable of insults and threats have yet to give any evidence to prove what ive said wrong. Way to be.

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil The funny thing about your fail argument is that even crota describes protoss shields as life in one of his videos too. You're such a fucking mental midget, it's actually very amusing. I would love for you to share your failed logic yet again on how exactly protoss shields don't count as their life.

[XxSquishymanxX]

yay for teambuilding!

[fanathym]

@DasMotteninsekt stfu

[bertvanbertenernie]

indeed, make colossi deal splash dmg to their own units as well. Nothing a terran can do against zealot stalker+ colossi

[ChowCentral]

@bertvanbertenernie

. . .

Raven PDD, EMP, Siege tanks, Vikings, Marauders w/ shells do well against zealot w/ charge & stalkers.

You never listed immortals in that army so . . . eh.

[bertvanbertenernie]

@ChowCentral thats retarded man, blinkstalkers pwn all those

[shaggytwodope666]

@bertvanbertenernie Um, no. Stalkers get destroyed by PDD and mauraders. Just as CC said, EMP absolutely devestates protoss armies, anyone with half a fucking brain can realize this. Terran players are just mad becaues you are losing rank now because you can't A move your army to victory anymore.

Learn how to micro or be stuck in silver league with your 60 apm.

[ChowCentral]

@bertvanbertenernie And I am right, AGAIN.

[shaggytwodope666]

@ChowCentral Theres no use arguing with Terran players, you can't use logic with noobs unfortunately. Just sit back and laugh at the terran tears because they will have to learn more than two hotkeys to be competitive in SC.

[sirpalm2632]

Protoss is OP!

[PenCrisis]

Why did he stop making ghosts? :< I wanted to see more ghost action. I thought he was gonna go nukes when he built another ghost academy but it was just a mistake. *sigh* I wanted to see some damn nukes.

He just went MMM V instead... :|

Interesting how Socket went blink stalkers instead of chargelots. Imo, he didn't blink micro much, prob would have been better off with chargelots but I suppose blink helps with sniping vikings.

[AdmiralFwiffo]

@werstrum2 For now, you have the benefit of the doubt and I'll assume you're more than an untrained monkey. But to prove this, go take Protoss and dominate Diamond league with it. Now, if you can't what does that make you?

[Skindred4life]

I really, really would like to see builds that are not M + M + M. The Protoss can counter that in just 1 unit I don`t understand why every Terran always goes for the 3 M`s

[gullars83]

Morroders and vikings.. jaaaaaawn!! ZzZz! :) Change tech Inuh!

[boarderke]

Kinda boring game... always when its PvT you just know the protoss is gonna have an easy win cause of how overpowered collosi and psistorm is.

[GoldenZealot21]

@boarderke

Get out of Bronze noob. Terran is the only race with HARD COUNTERS. They have HARD COUNTERS to Colossi and HTs, while these two units are simply support. lrn2play

[ChowCentral]

@boarderke He didn't use ghosts, he didn't use t3. What did you expect?

[mjb7204]

Why build Ghosts if you don't use emps just a waste.

[werstrum2]

once again protoss casters>all

FU all protoss adorers, that race is clearly unbalanced as shit. Untrained monkey could win these games

[GoldenZealot21]

@werstrum2

Lrn2play retard. I offrace as Terran, and using something other than MMM rapes Protoss up the ass. I like receiving BM of 1500+ Protoss because i'm not mentally retarded like most Terran players.

[ainscu]

regarding the colossi/siege tank balance issue you mentioned: remove friendly fire from siege tanks, but reduce their range to 6, upgradeable to 9 in siege mode and all will be fair, but making the units essentially the same. the entire propose of having races is not having identical units with different skins.

ergo, no change necessary.

[EatyourDead99]

no ghost late game...

[12jmacdo]

storm is so OP!! and gay!

[whimppy]

thanks again crota :)

[latamatab]

"lol if you arent claiming to be pro then dont make statements that only professionals have the right to make, such as balance changes." lololol

[RyantheCanuckpirate]

lmao @ team-building activity

[manyworlds123456789]

1:37 "Inuh going for that Ghost academy so in addition [...]"

Crota. In part 1, Inuh went for super early ghosts after his 4th marine. He had a ghost academy since the very beginning of the match.

[jstaley02]

@manyworlds123456789 and u feel good about criticising his on the spot commentaries?

do a better job first, then comment.

[mahitto]

Crota! <3

[MrPsone]

LOL the Terran player is a BIG NOOB player better he play Barbie!!!

[Ihatemaxpigmentation]

production tab ftw

[BarrellyRoll]

@DasMotteninsekt I also <3 APM tab, although that does not matter as much as production or units.

[TangerineGroovin]

sooooookeh stackhouse

[simonx49]

hate protoss crota? i love your casts but some of your comments during these socke v inuh games have annoyed me a bit.

[paulanthonydavenport]

very nice protoss Micro! O O so siege tanks can do splash damage on their own units but collosai can't :( OP

[electrostatic1]

@paulanthonydavenport Fungal growth also doesn't effect friendly units, and it TvP emp does not damage terran units.

[skeptiker1337]

@electrostatic1 It inflitcs no damage on Terran Units, but it takes away your energy. You can EMP your own Ravens or Ghosts. EMP's don't deal actual damage, they just take away Energy AND Shields (which only protoss have)

[AdmiralFwiffo]

Crota, perhaps you shouldn't be so biased when commentating, your speech will flow better when you're not creatively making information. I.E. Warpgate tech "cuts the production time on *ALL* your units by 10 seconds". Really? That's like saying Reactors doubles production on ALL Terran units. "Battle Cruiser Operational" X2! Oh and suggesting Colossi should deal friendly fire, sure, yah, only when Planetary Fortresses and Hellions do too!

[spwl72]

@AdmiralFwiffo The reactors only doubles up marines, hellions, and vikings and medivacs. Other units require tech lab.

[stonepwns]

He already had a ghost academy

[ShadowSonic64]

@stonepwns

yeah i was curious about that too. i wondered if he was going nukes for a second

[tcsl404]

@stonepwns yeah, i don't understand what crota is talking. Is he drunk?

[Xondil]

Scystorm is so broken and imba. What other INSTANT spell among the 3 races, does crazy INSTANT damage to all units in an area? Oh did i mention that if you upgrade the unit, and get warpgates -who doesnt- you can warp one in nearly INSTANTLY, kill an entire army with ONE UNIT or severely damage it at the very least. (-_-')

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Oh, the damage isn't INSTANT. It does 80 seconds over an amount of time...

Did you know? T1 Terran > T1 Protoss without Psistorm/Collosus.

Also did you know? You have to research (2!) upgrades just to make the high templars useful.

Lessqqmoarpewpew

ufail

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral yeqah i knew all that. And youre wrong.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Oh yeah, since psistorm is not instant, there is something called "micro" that you can use to right click on another place of the map and AMAZINGLY move your units out of the psistorm.

At the 4:40 psistorms the guy just walked into it and that's his fault.

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral how is it not instant? No srsly how is psistorm not instant? noob. if ANYONE goes high templar or is planinng on it, they get the upgrades, its stupid not too. Therefore, all I said is correct.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil o_o You really fail. Please, PLEASE, go into unit tester and cast a psistorm. THEN, use your fail counting skills and count how long it is.

You know how long it takes to get useful high templars? A lot longer than ghosts which can INSTANTLY unlike psistorm neutralize high templars.

Therefore, ghosts hard counter high templars. lern2play noob.

Fact: Did you know? EMP drains protoss shields. What does that mean? It means you just basically drained f*cking half of the protoss army's hp.

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral Ok Mr BM the way you express your opinion could compare to a pile of shit laying on the street. First, its instant cast on an area. Do your units move instantly? Do you even know what the word instant means, I dont care how long it takes to get templars, i was talking about when you do have them and fully upgraded, one of your failed assumptions there. So even if the ghosts are counters, good luck making your 1 ghost deal the amount of damage 1 high templar does to any army. Goodbye

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral Also! WTf did the shields have to do with what i said? No really, do tell. Wtf do shields have to do with high templars, was it just cuz they had it? Duh we know the protoss units have shields on them. EMP is great, again the ghosts arent my problem. So yay? Ghosts >.> Also! Im sure you know that shields regenerate, what terran unit regens itself? None! So you gotta get medicavs! Which cost gas! making ghosts a "later" unit if you plan to be aggressive, depends on builds really.

[Legola87]

@Xondil I think he was referring to a combat situation where the shields are part of the P units' life, basically half of protoss units' life is in shields. No shields means the Toss units now take physical damage to their HP right? And no shields means half HP gone for Protoss right?

[Xondil]

@Legola87 oh, i know what he was saying, even though people count the shields as part of the protoss's units life, i still believe that seeing it this way is incorrect for this reason. The unit doesnt die if its shields are fully depleted therefore how can it be part of the units life? Example the zealot has 50s/100hp, if you take away the shields, it doesnt die. You have to take the 100 hp's after that for it to die. So i get its all the same at the end. I was just a being a sarcastic jerk.

[Xondil]

@Xondil and to add to this a little bit, any damage i do to the shields -without emp- will be soaked, allowing that unit to regen naturally without any other unit to assist it, if its -not in combat-. Terran are screwed on a lot of lvls that people dont think about, thats all im pointing out. We cant heal without a unit to do it for us for example, while youre shields are a constant regen-not in combat-. All you guys have to do is leave combat for a few seconds and its back. Life doesn't regen

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil What the hell are you talking about? Shield IS part of the unit's life. You know why the zealot doesn't die after losing 50 shield? It's because it STILL has 100 hp out of the total 150. That's like saying emp doesn't affect protoss at all. Shield's are important for protoss and Blizzard probably designed it as the life.

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral You are a moron and part of the rebel alliance, take them away!....that is all.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil ;] I accept that as a sign of defeat.

[Xondil]

@ChowCentral No, i just really didnt want to talk to someone who cant tell the difference between, Hit points and shields. You are just a troll. No, that would be offending the trolls of the world, you're lower. No matter how stupid you are, the shields are not part of the life points of the protoss army. If anything its an add-on that floats over them, like youre stupidity floats all over you. Taking away the shields of the protoss does not kill them, so keep being a fucking retard if you want

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Hmm, the troll just called me the troll. It is useless arguing with these type of terran players, isn't it. I wonder what league are you in and if you have proof, then link pl0x. Bronze players think like this: OMG Psistorm is so OP! NERF PLEASE.

Diamond players think like this: Hmm, how can I counter psistorm?

If they both lose to psistorm then when they post a topic concerning it then those examples will be those titles.

[shaggytwodope666]

@ChowCentral You have to spell it scistorm or else he won't know what you're talking about. Can't really use logic against him though, he doesn't even realize that EMP also brings energy down to 0 and that it outranges psistorm.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Oh yeah, that was the most WONDERFUL analogy I ever heard. If you take away my stupidity, would I become smarter? Your fail analogy is the same thing as saying protoss units become stronger by losing their shields.

[startingsprinter]

@ChowCentral calm down man, if Xondil thinks that shield is not part of the unit's life, that means Ghost EMP does 0 damage to protoss unit....competely destroyed his statement that ghost emp is overpowered...

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil High templars are t3. High templars cost 200 gas. Ghosts are tier 1.5. Ghosts cost 150 gas. Medivacs are only 100 gas and can heal IN-BATTLE. Protoss can't heal in-battle and you know what?

If we fucking try to run away to recharge our fucking shields, you can EASILY, EASILY, stim and just destroy us.

[benzinator11]

@Xondil EMP is so broken and imba. What other INSTANT, does crazy INSTANT damage to all units in an area? (ok fine really just against Protoss, but one EMP equals goodbye all shields, and now those HT's are all useless!! srsly if you constantly lose to scistorms its bc you arent getting ghosts

[SPNKrX117]

@benzinator11 Ghosts are great and everything, but they require heavy micro and emp has taken a major nerf since the brood war days. Yes, it may deplete all the energy, but it no longer takes all shields. Plus the ghosts can get feedbacked....fedback....w/e..­.. I think it is in good balance. Actually imo psi storm could use a buff XD.

[treestomper1]

@SPNKrX117 too bad it does take all shileds.....

[SPNKrX117]

@treestomper1 watch an emp hit a carrier

[SPNKrX117]

@treestomper1 lolz i just looked it up and an emp takes 100 shields

[Xondil]

@benzinator11 EMP doesnt compare to scistorm, emp only DRAINS energy. It doesnt do actual damage, EMP cant kill, scistorm can. Getting ghost's isnt what im complaining about, im complaining over how 1 singular unit can do so much damage to an ENTIRE army, INSTANTLY can make that unit, INSTANTLY, can be used INSTANTLY after summoned, with the required upgrades. ?No other unit in the game, does this.

[GoldenZealot21]

@Xondil

EMP completely shut down and neuters HTs which are absolutely necessary to defeat MMM while eliminating the shields of much of the rest of the Protoss army. No other unit does that. Research Moebius Reactor and Ghosts can EMP upon spawn. lrn2play noob. Stop complaining about one of the two only units that keep TvP from becoming completely imba in Terran's favor.

[Xondil]

@GoldenZealot21 Ghosts are awesome yes. EMP, doesn't. do literal damage. Scistorm does. Let me put it this way, what does my EMP do to marines, nothing. What does scistorm do to marines, kill them. What does EMP do to zergling, nothing. What does scistom do to zerglings, kill them. Why? Because it does damage, literal damage. EMP is a straight protoss counter and rarely zerg. Unlike sci, you need skill to land emp's on the right unit. Unlike sci which literal damage to any unit is good.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Emp and psistorm are COMPLETELY different spells. Do you think they're supposed to be the same? Ofc. EMP is almost DESIGNED for anti-protoss, so including zerg/terran is the most retarded thing I've heard.

Ghosts get their spells as soon as they get out of those rax while HT's need research.

[ChowCentral]

@Xondil Also, referring to your "literal damage to any unit is good". Against protoss, land one emp and you already did SO MANY DAMAGE. Psistorm is so USELESS in PvP even though you say it does "literal damage to any unit is 'good'".

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil You're a fucking idiot, shut you fucking mouth.

[Xondil]

@shaggytwodope666 Oh look another monkey that only knows how to fling poo. Your argument sir is that of an ignorant jackass that only knows curse words and has no moral center to keep his nerd rage in check. You and people like you ruin that which is the human race, have you ever wondered why you're kind are called trolls? You are sub-human, unnatural beings that deserve nothing less than having you're eyes poked out with a sharp stick. ^_^

[shaggytwodope666]

@Xondil Save your verbal diarrhea for someone who gives a shit. You try to come off as intelligent, but the substance of your arguments are so flawed it makes me wonder if you're even capable of the simplest of tasks in your day to day life.

Throw around the troll insult all you want, it's apparent that you're a bronze league player with no understanding of the basics in this game. It's ok, I'm sure if you watch some Day9 vids you'll eventually learn how to cheese your way into silver ranks.

[Xondil]

@benzinator11 Ghosts are good and how SPNKrX117 said it requires skill to effectively use, no offense to anyone who plays protoss but sci doesnt take much skill, only point and click, and i BELIEVE EMP has a smaller affect area as well making it harder to use. My main point is against the templar and how easy it is to stop a race completely with just that "one unit" when you give a race a "thing" that shuts down multiple builds, i think it would be time a good to look into that thing, and fix it

[tyniehawk]

Super fun :D I want commentary done on my UMS Desert Strike gaming... haha SC1 though, I don't have 2 yet T_T

[Vega62a]

Terran aren't underpowered, but it seems like most terran players fall into the trap of thinking an mmm ball (with viking support) can take anything. The terran player didn't even have a raven out, and with a supply-capped army, he should have had a few support units in the mix. (One point D drone could have turned that battle, or three or four tanks on the high ground) He made his bed on that one.

[omnilothar]

Blizzard: We do not want tank to be massed in SC2= price increased.

Player: Hell, mass them anyway.

Blizzard: We do not want tank deal too much damage with number of tanks= damage decreased and btw its called Crucio Siege Tank.

[beldor5]

hehe 5K T army with 10-20% hp..awesome :d

[REDRAGON12345]

Its sad how underpowered Terran are now

[VadimHor]

@REDRAGON12345 still not true, the only change that could make you say that in the last patches would probably the tank nerf. Middle to endgame, the change of 1.1.2 doesn't exist for terran. At least, nothing really change that drastically in PvT later than the opening.

It may by different in ZvT et ZvP, but it's not the topic here.

[ShadowFireKnight]

@REDRAGON12345 u wouldnt be saying that if the terran had some ghosts in there for emps to remove the shields

[lifeofasalesman01]

@REDRAGON12345 lol? learn to play. theyre still the most powerful race. terran lost this because he was a worse player than the protoss.

[REDRAGON12345]

@lifeofasalesman01 Learn to play? Did i ever say I was a pro? Dont assume things idiot. And check the stats, at every level of play, Terran loses over 50% of their matches. Crota showed this BEFORE the nerf to Terran...Do your research before posting moron

[lifeofasalesman01]

@REDRAGON12345 lol if you arent claiming to be pro then dont make statements that only professionals have the right to make, such as balance changes. if you wanna talk about research, check every diamond leagues #1 player. yes, i did my research. how about you? unless my eyes deceive me, almost every damn one of them is terran. thank you. might wanna do some research of your own.

[latamatab]

@lifeofasalesman01 LOL your dumb

[lifeofasalesman01]

@latamatab good argument..

[latamatab]

@lifeofasalesman01 Still better than yours. you definatly deserved to be called dumb and i thought i would be the one to say it.

[bbestar]

Witness the Amazing Protoss Technology of critical shield frequency. Since friendly units have the same frequency their shields absorb friendly fire. Just amazing unlike the terran seige tank in which their high explosive shells can not tell from friend or foe.

[FluffyPinkPony]

collosi dmg vs friendly units would make pvp even more retarded....

than the zealots in the zealot/collosi battle would die even faster xD

[lan600000]

in fact, all aoe's shud dmg their own units..

[lan600000]

also banelings

[lan600000]

clossi shud hurt their own units as well... siege tanks do

[VadimHor]

@lan600000 no, because terran units all have range attack. that's not the case for toss and zerg.

[lan600000]

@VadimHor considering how zealot charge and zergling movement speed upgrade quickly closes that gap, you might as well treat them as ranged. theres hardly any chance for marines to run from lings or zealots. Not to mention psi storms require no cast time and clossi pretty much cleans out w/e ground units there are. tanks got nerfed hard compared to banelings and clossi

[FluffyPinkPony]

@lan600000

you cannot look at it that way, melee means the unit has to be next to the target to attack => clifs give range units a large bonus against melee, and melee units can only hit the units not blocked by another unit

melee stays melee

[VadimHor]

@lan600000 Is it turning in a flamme war about wich race is atually OP? :)

ghost > psistorm, and for tank/colossus we should also take the units price in account. I won't cry about terran buildings being able to fly. Those are race difference. The price of a protoss unit is high, it would be a pain to kill our own units this way. And still, a range unit is a range unit, you won't see a zergling attacking from a cliff. Charge is more expensive again and still far after concussive.

[VadimHor]

@lan600000 But, you may have a point here anyway, blizzard said at blizzcon that terran has a small advantage at the beginning of the game and protoss has it at the endgame.

[benzinator11]

but seige tanks do more damage. and collossi can get hit by air. (and die to vikings in seconds) seems kinda even