The I's Have It

[azertyuiop32]

i truly believe that if we explore the octogon within ourselves the "cuboid of self-reliance" dream will become a reality. its quite simple if you think about it

[urquiza78]

Nick has a selfish point in the same way that Maslow did, what is different however is not only obvious but exclusively explained.

What i feel we all forget at one time or another is that we all once dwelled within the cellar of Maslows creation, but again, the choice of creation was his own. It is ultimately the shape or form he she or we applies, which determines. The choice is yours, but 'I would like to agree' hmm maybe.

[urquiza78]

There is a dance which should visually make sense to an onlooker, and we can plainly see from the fringe that it isnt just an I, but the vision and title may suggest so. It explains so much so that one cannot help but guess so.

[vwpeace]

good video

iam not religious in any form but believe historical written words in religious books have educational meaning, so when eve eat from the apple tree she and adam were removed from garden of eden "utopia" because they discovered they were naked "ego" which would lead me think only without ego which is enduced by the media what to wear how to speak and think which i like all do we will have our utopia, so I for me is when everyone has no malice/race/religion and I becomes us

thanks

[Loreleila]

Well expressed, and thank you too. There is so much symbolism in these texts, things to learn, as long as we don't cling slavishly to certain interpretations, as the only ones who have it 'right', or see it all as historical fact.

'I for me is when everyone has no malice/race/religion and I becomes us'

Beautiful. True. :)

[cardellacole1]

excelent video

[Loreleila]

Thank you. :)

[mistersyvak]

It is interesting. The "self" or the "I" could be termed as the individual awareness which is cognizant of the various mental states (not necessarily synonymous with brain states) - whether conscious or subconscious. Just a thought....I think. :)

[Loreleila]

Absolutely. Trying to articulate all this is fraught with potential omissions, things 'I' haven't 'thought' of. Arrgghh! :P

[DefaultPosition]

Biological theories hinge upon the concept of self-interest and "I". It is crucial for an understanding of evolution.

[DefaultPosition]

I mean the self-interest of genes, which lead to altruistic individuals.

[Loreleila]

I think every system examining humanity, in whatever way, attempts to exclude the self at its peril.

[Signofthedollar]

And now I see the face of god, and I raise

this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who grant them joy and peace and pride.

This god, this one word: I.  Ayn Rand, ANTHEM

[Loreleila]

I fail to see the pertinence. Sorry.

[theoriginalanomaly]

Logic and I's divide... so you can never get to the bottom of it. But you went very deep. That was a very simple and beautiful explanation. If you are ever going to believe anything, it is best to believe in that which matters most, oneSELF.

[Loreleila]

Thank you, and yes, I agree, there is no getting to the bottom of it. Perhaps that is part of the joy of it.

[mistersyvak]

God! Jesus! Zoraster! Aphrodite! "I" just wanted to impose some random theism in here for no apparent reason. :)

[Loreleila]

Fabulous. \o/ Thank goodness for some free will, without endless explanation or examination for existance thereof. I like you, if you actually exist that is.

[silverfoxcondor46]

Good video.

My take on the "I" problem with regard to Nick is that he is analyzing "conscious experience of I" from a first person perspective.

This may be why it is tricky for me to follow him sometimes.

[Loreleila]

Thanks. I think you're probably right, but to examine something you don't believe exists with that very thing writes a certain catch 22 into the equation.

[F00dTube]

"Huh, dangerous statement here." Lol. All this babbling about there is no I is pointless, everybody knows the concepts of voidness or wholeness. I think the point Matt is trying to make is that we are in a way mechanical so there is no I. And even things we perceive as very intuitive or personal decisions are just marbles going through a triangle, ending up in a random bucket.

[Loreleila]

I'm not sure everybody knows that at all. Are you referring to Nick, not Matt? I understand the point he's trying to make, I don't however agree with it, or rather I see it as a very partial way of looking at a much larger picture. As for marbles into random buckets I don't agree at all.

[F00dTube]

Oops, yes I meant Nick! What you are talking about the 'I' on a very abstract level. I think Nick is trying to get to a holistic view through reducing our experiences to mechanical patterns.

[Loreleila]

Hmm, it doesn't seem abstract to me, it has structure and measurable aspects, but it's not physically quantifiable, so sure, abstract in that way. Nor am I sure Nick's view could ever be described as holistic, with it being so mechanical. By it's nature it excludes, thus is the antithesis of holistic.

[michaelispan]

I did not leave a comment. I was never here;-)

[Loreleila]

Obviously, so I shall not reply to you.

[Dadalama]

even if there was a perfect clone of you... they will have different experiences. I personally believe they'd also have the ability to make different choices even if put into the same situations. so in a week they might have a noticeably different personality.

[Loreleila]

That may be true, though there's no way to test it. But would me before those experiences be any more me than before I'd begun, whatever the experiences?

[Dadalama]

yeah it can't be tested. that's why it's a belief. :P

perhaps she would... I would say they would be separate entities completely but they would be fundamentally the same.

[Loreleila]

'they would be separate entities completely but they would be fundamentally the same'

And it is that sameness they both have I would call 'I'.

[Dadalama]

I see :)

[CousinoMacul]

I wouldn't define "I" as one's genetic make-up.

[Loreleila]

Nor would I, but Nick seemed to be seeing in purely physical terms, in brain cells only, so I wondered how far he would expand that model.

[CousinoMacul]

Yes I commented on that on his video. I basically said "Why stop at neurons? After all, it's the molecules that do the thinking."

Anyway, I'm not sure pyrrho's label of "determinist" is the best description for Nick. What I see in him is a reductionist.

[Loreleila]

I'm not sure how I'd define his view. I'm not sure anyone fits neatly into any one description, even if they put themselves there. I told him he didn't exist. :P

[falconelly]

I was a breach birth. Yell me more about your clone.(

[Loreleila]

I wonder what sort of effect that might have had. I'm hoping I don't have a clone, but you never know.

[DefaultPosition]

I started to do a vid on Maslow's heirarchy 2 years ago and only got halfway through.

[Loreleila]

Well if you have anything to add here, it would be most welcome. :)

[gratex]

"I" is the 5/95 machine called a human, 5% genetric, 95% acquired information. Each "I" is unique, just like each patchwork quilt is unique, but a quilt is a quilt, good to cosy up in bed with but wtf. anyway.. I think Nick and I like to kill off the soul. again and again.

[CousinoMacul]

5/95??? That sounds like a number that you extracted from your excretory region.

[gratex]

5/95 is number Nick, I and others (to put it all in context) have agreed to disagree over what this human machine is, for ease of talking about other issues.

[Loreleila]

Firstly, I'm not talking about soul, not sure why you think I am. I'm speaking of basic individuality, consciousness , awareness and how that might cause us to impact both ourselves and those around us.

Secondly, if you need to kill a soul off more than once, maybe it's got a point. lol Why would you want to kill of something you felt didn't exist anyway?

[gratex]

well, from my perspective the argument is people believe themselves to have this "I" that is somehow independent of the material universe, which can perceive something beyond this material universe, which leads to the human being believing itself to be something greater than the material universe, and all the iffy side-effects that such as imposed suffering upon other "I"s. So, I like to bash away at the idea of "I", as making people more humble might just make for better cakes.

[gratex]

and i didn't say you were talking about a soul :P

[Loreleila]

'I think Nick and I like to kill off the soul. again and again'

Sort of 'assumed' it from this comment, since you mentined it in relation to this video.

[Loreleila]

God my typing is crap :P

[Loreleila]

I appreciate where you're coming from, as long as the baby doesn't get thrown out with the bathwater. And of course, we must not forget those cakes.

[kimlea69]

thx .....Kim

[Loreleila]

yw :)

[lapislazuline]

"I" find this totally confusing....I mean

c,mon surely if somethings an it and starts

thinking,,,, it,s an i even if it,s a replica

a billion times over

[Loreleila]

I agree, consciousness is 'I' however you might define it or where you see it residing.

[Z4lUS]

What about information/experience?

[Loreleila]

Obviously that has an effect, but information of varying kinds are constantly arriving, and how these are examined, experienced and learnt from will effect how it's incorporated. So the nature of that individual at the start, will have an impact on it's development.

[LoveCraken]

I can has first comment.

Real comment coming soon.

[Loreleila]

Good Lord I've arrived. There will now be an eerie silence. lol

[LoveCraken]

Well, to be honest, you only have 240 subscribers, which is about 120 subs less than me. If only you made lame, substanceless videos about the youtube community. If only, Cathy. Feel the envy.

[gratex]

i win

[Loreleila]

See what happens when the ego gets involved? :P

[LoveCraken]

I do. Painfully so.

[Loreleila]

Totally beside myself am I. It'll be the clone. :)

[lapislazuline]

you said "i,ve" arrived....you,ve obviously

made up your mind ;)

[Loreleila]

Well that would depend whether I have an I to be with and a mind to make up, or whether I'm simply a series of conditioned reflexes, which seems to be the proposition.

[lapislazuline]

in that case you would merely be a machine

souless and devoid of independent thought

living in a static environment never making

any mistakes....like an insurance salesman! ;)

[Loreleila]

No, they are evidence of the existance of Satan. :P