NEVER DOES JESUS OR ANY OF THE DISCIPLES SAY ANYTHING LIKE WHAT TRINITARIANS TELL US, SO WHERE DOES THIS DOCTRINE COME FROM? AND WHY IS HE DEVATING WHETHER JESUS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD? WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY WE MOST BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY? WHERE DOES IT SAY WE MUST BELIEVE IN THREE PERSONS TO BE SAVED? WHAT NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES EVER GIVEN ONTO FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT FOR SALVATION? AFTER ALL IS ALL ABOUT THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS? NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY TO BELIEVE IN PERSONS!
i wanted to point this out to you guys. Notice at 1:32-1:49 he said "Pastor Bernard does not believe that Jesus is the Father but he believe that the Father is Jesus" but isn't that the same thing. lol. It must of been a slip of the tongue.
One God only in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. so what is that name. Jesus Christ. Hey if the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus then what are their name?
There is ONE GOD . This ONE GOD has a son. The Son is not the ONE GOD. God's spirit is not a separate individual, any more than your spirit is anseparate individual apart from you. Both the trinity and oneness ideas are heresy because they both make the ONE GOD "three" something.
The "logos" (word) of God in John 1:1 is not a person, but the mind of God in audible form. It is the vehicle of creation. "In the beginning, God SAID, 'Let there be light'", etc. God's spoken word is His logos that was in the beginning with Him and IS Him just like my words that I'm writing here represent me. God's logos became flesh in that Jesus Christ came to do and speak as he was commanded by God, thus representing God expressly. See Deut 18:18 Jesus is not God.
@Str8Talker365 Correct. The word in John 1:1 is not yet a flesh but the mind of God in audible form. I agree. But it does not say that Jesus is not God in Deut 18:18. That I do not agree. In Col 9:6 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.....
@zedrev01 Jesus is called a "prophet" in Deut. 18:18 who would DO and SPEAK as the ONE GOD commanded, thereby representing the ONE GOD.
As far as Col 9:6 ... we see believers having "all of the fullness of God" in Eph 3:19. Does this make believers GOD? No, no more than it makes Jesus GOD.
@Str8Talker365 ....Do you ever wonder why Jesus did not directly proclaim that He is God? Even the devil He rebuke not to say who He was in the real sense. He is humble & showed it by His works. He has a mission of being the lamb to be sacrificed in calvary. Who can raise a dead man like Lazarus who was dead for how many days and already in a rotten stage? A God. And Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. There is only one Father and Jesus was that Everlasting Father prophesied in isaiah 9:6
Jesus NEVER claimed to be GOD for one reason ... he's NOT GOD. He claimed to be the Son of GOD, which is who he is.
Jesus was GIVEN all power and authority by GOD. ONLY GOD is inherently immortal (IS life itself), I Tim. 6:15-16. ONLY GOD can GIVE life, which is what happened when He raised Jesus from the dead, making Jesus the "firstfruits" of the resurrection, "first born from the dead". Jesus was DEAD for 3 days/nights. GOD gave him permanent life afterwards.
@Str8Talker365 Of course there is only One God. The Son Is the Word that manifested into flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning is the Word. and the Word was With God. And the Word was God.
Nature of the One God (Father) is a Spirit. Invisible. And the very Word that manifested into flesh as Son(John 1:14) is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15). And these three manifestation in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is all in the name of Jesus Christ.
He is telling that there is one God but his explanation is two and three being. he just can not accept the fact that the one God is Spirit and can manifest Himself to many beings if He chooses to be, The mind of the trinitarian has limited the power of the one true God
Also, when God said, Let us make man in our own image...he was commanding the earth. Adam means earth. (God said let their be light...to the Sun, he commanded the sun) Corinthians says we are earthy and spirit. God breathed life into us...so we are made of the dust of the earth and God's breath of life. Even science is proof we have all elements of earth in our bodies.
Well, give the quotations!! The trinitarian keeps claiming to be quoting David Bernard and telling the audience that he can give them the quote, BUT NEVER GIVES IT. A better debate, in my opinion, is on youtube listed as "Is UPCI a Cult? (David K. Bernard vs. Robert Morey), it's in 7 parts, but well worth the time to watch.
@PhillipDaniel Looked for "Is UPCI a Cult? and could not find it...instead I found a bunch of videos from hateful people bashing the truth. Did I type it wrong?
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
"let's see, what am I going to do today." Just because humans say things like this, doesn't mean God would. This is improper grammar that we have adopted. "let's see..." implies "let us see" and if an individual is speaking of themself, they have misspoken. GOD IS PERFECT. He does NOT misspeak or use improper grammar. If He said "Let US" then that is what He meant. Not to mention that He says "OUR" and no one uses that in an improper way. In the garden Jesus prayed, "not my will, but thy
will be done." TWO SEPERATE WILLS, IMPLIES TO SEPERATE ENTITIES! Also, Jesus told the disciples that He would send the comforter (the Holy Spirit) and that He came from the Father and the Son. If the Spirit is simply Jesus in another mode, why didn't He just say, "I'll be back as the Spirit?" COMING FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON, IMPLIES DISTINCTION! THREE ENTITIES, BUT ONE GOD! Jesus is at the RIGHT HAND of the Father. The Word was WITH God. There are 3 that bear witness IN HEAVEN...
@Kingram417 The Bible tells us that there is only One spirit. John 4:24 God is a Spirit. God + Holy Spirit = 2 Spirits? Its 1x1x1=1 Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
God speaking to God??? have any of you ever noticed that a lie is always really complicated, while the truth is almost always very very SIMPLE, easy to understand and makes perfect logical sense
BOTH Oneness and Trinitarian dogma are heresies because Jesus is not God, either by "substance" or "person". These theologies are actually the same, making "GOD" "three 'something'". Oneness teaches that God is three "substances", not "persons", and Trinitarians teach that God is three "persons" not "substances".
The truth is that GOD is ONE and is the FATHER ALONE. Jesus Christ is His Son, who DIED (a thing GOD could not do), and was raised to life by the ONLY ONE WHO GIVES LIFE, GOD.
John 2:19 is best understood in the light of John 10:18, which tells us HOW it is that Jesus had the power to take up his life again:
"... I have power to take it again. This COMMANDMENT have I received of MY FATHER." John 10:18
Jesus came to DO and SPEAK the Father's will, thus represently GOD expressly in word and deed, just like Moses foretold in Deut. 18:18 and confrimed in Acts 3:22. Also, see John 5:19, 7:14-18, 8:28-29, 12:49-50.
@Str8Talker365 Sorry my friend. That is not correct. If Jesus is ever identified as Jehovah that argument does not stand. Please read Pslam 45 and Psalm 102. Would you agree that these Psalms are speaking of Jehovah? I don't know how you could interpret them any other way. If that is the case then after you read the Psalms turn over to Heb. 1: 8-14. Notice it says but of the son he says: and then makes reference to these Psalms. Jesus and Jehovah are identified as the same being.
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
Beware lest any man spoil you throgh philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2.8
colossians 2.8,9 beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2. 8,9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Collossians 2, 8,9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vein deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. To beget means to bring into existence. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and is also the firstborn from the dead. This means he was the First to be created and the First to ressurect from the dead. THEREFORE Jesus can't be God because God doesn't have a beginning; in other words He certaintly wasn't created. Peace be upon you.
@BBVGstacks galatians 4:4 says that the Son(Jesus) was BORN of a woman, made under the law. so it is biblical to say that the Son had a beginning. so how can the Son, who had a beginning also be the Lord of Glory? 1 cor 2:8.......because He is the Father and the Son all by His bad self!!!!!!!!!!
@BBVGstacks Neither did Jesus as far as his Godhood. Jesus was begotten or brought into existence according to the flesh. His humanity was brought forth but his deity was not. He has always existed as the eternal Son of God. Please read Psalm 45 and Psalm 102. Next read Hebrews 1: 8-14. This a clear example of how Jesus and Jehovah share the same being that is God.
@jwednall Regarding Psalm 102, 45, and Hebrews 1...In Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1, if they are to be interpreted that way, would mean there are two Gods, not one. This is how the Seventh Day Remnant teaches and that there is one God family of three distinct Gods. However, I go with the Hebrew traditional interpretation. Also, regarding the Lord's glory...a couple arguments I can think. Some translations of Titus 2:13 lead me to believe Jesus is the glory of our great God and Savior. Also, the baptism
@jwednall of Jesus Christ when Yahweh revealed Himself unto the Gentiles and declared Jesus as His Son. There's also very little in Psalm 102 to suggest that Jesus is Yahweh either. I am a Unitarian.
So did Jesus pray to himself every day? Did he descend upon himself during baptism? Did he commune with the Father which is Himself? When the Father crushed the Son for our sins on the cross....did Jesus crush Himself?....according to Isaiah 53?
Didn't you hear what brotha Bernard said about the flesh being the human nature when Jesus prays it is His flesh/human nature praying in the spirit to edify Himself and look at how God said let Us make man in Our image then goes from Our to His own image He was speaking to His human nature/flesh but is still one person not three one God One Jehovah/Lord one savior and that's it stop contradicting yourself
@Brotherfireball1988 That is the answer that oneness people always give. What about John 17:5?And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Now if every time Jesus prayed, he was talking speaking to his human nature, please explain to me how Jesus could have had glory with the Father before the world was? According to oneness He did not even exist then, or would you say it was his human nature that had this glory?
@jwednall Under the law of reproduction if God has a son, and if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus would be another God. God emphasizes in this scripture that there will never be another God. ISAIAH 43:10,11
There are several factors why I believe the trinity gospel is set up to deceive the majority and set them up for eternal condemnation. 1st we HAVE to be Baptized in JESUS name in order to enter the kingdom of heaven & to be Born Again -not in one of his titles, son, prince, almighty ect. that alone is enough reason to be damned and not even know it. NO ONE in the scriptures was ever baptized in the trinity, wake up this is a life & death issue & now you are all without EXCUSE...
Wow... NO WAY David said that they serve the SAME God after arguing his whole life that trinitarians believe in three Gods! So many oneness preachers dont believe trinitarians are saved... I'm saying this but I do think we serve the same God, neither oneness or trinitarians believe in more than one God. I just don't think its fair for UPCI to say we serve the same God and then at the same time say trinitarians aren't saved.
@littleman684 I believe there will be trinitarians in heaven , bible doesn't say revelation of the God-Head is necessary , bible says being born again is necessary baptizim in Jesus name , infilling of Holy Ghost , and loving God with all you all to the most of your understanding . is whats required
@jerryfudala It's not another issue. Unsaved people cannot serve God in any meaningful sense, they can't bear the fruit of the Spirit because they are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:8-10... we are his workmanship created unto good works... that applies to those who are SAVED BY GRACE. I don't know how Bernard could go to Wesley Biblical Seminary to learn from a bunch of trinitarians who aren't saved (according to his theology) because they worship three gods... inconsistency!
Baptizm in Jesus name is the door, infilling of Holy Ghost . debate on oneness vs tri nature of God, I belive there will be Trinitarians in heaven as long as new birth is exp.
No where in scripture does it say full understanding of God head is nec for salvation.
But Jesus said unless a man is born agian of the water and the Spirt...
The church did accept the oneness in the first 200 to 300 years of the church. You should read how many times the trinity was changed through creeds. The inventor of the word Trinity was excommunicated as a heretic for his other beliefs as well.
are u ure about that?.......Polycarp (70-155/160), Justin Martyr (100-165), Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Irenaeus (115-190)
Tertullian (160-215)
Origen (185-254). All within the 1st to the third centuries....so Again are u sure about the church believing the oneness teaching??? because the church fathers are pretty authorative. Stop reading oneness books and use you brain. All three members of the trinity were there at the baptism and if oneness is correct explain Rev 1-4&5
Tertullian himself wrote the majority of believers in his time were oneness. Start reading oneness books, and you might learn something. Jews held to only one God, and that is because the God spoke to them. I use my brain every day. There is no trinity, there never has been. The council of Nicea was a council of fools, and apostates. Your hero of the faith Constantine was a hypocrite, and murderer. Sorry, the doctrine you believe is Tritheism. Whether you use philisophical terms or not
speaking of pagans .....the beliefs in Avatars is also considered to be paganistic......which is exactly what the doctrine of the incarnation is....interesting isn't it???????
Should I list some of the oneness believers in the early church? Of course you will find more Trinitarians in early church history, Paul talked about the faith already having false doctrine creep in. Another reason you don't see much documentation on Oneness is because the Trinitarians many books of what they called heresy.
Your verse Rev 1-4&5 supports the Oneness. 1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
BTW almost every person you listed had Oneness counterparts. :) Read the Catholic Encyclopedia some more. You will find more about Oneness believers from them.
I also agree with pastor bernard when he says that we do believe in the same God just a different understanding of who he is. however there is only One truth and i believe that to be what the word of God says that all the fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus!!
We don't need to put trinitarians down i use to be one before God gave me the truth. making fun and putting trinitarians down doesnt do anything and mainly is not christ like. Yes they could use more revalation and understanding but to say they believe in three Gods is over the top.
It's not over the top. It is 3 Gods. Three personalities who are all deity does mean three Gods. Unless you believe either is lesser than the other, in which case, that is not even popular among Trinitarians.
I don't understand why Rev. Benard denies that Jesus existed before being born of Mary. Granted he didn't exist in the form of a man at creation but Jesus did exist in the form of the Word (which was with God and which was God) from the beginning and is clearly the creator. John 1:1-14 Perhaps when the voice of God spoke and said, "Let US create man in OUR own image," he was speaking to the angles present. Weren't they present with God then? Don't the angles have images? God as a spirit didn't.
Bro Gene says he believes in one God but with in 2 seconds he says God was speaking to God.?!? if us indicates 2 or more if us is plorual how many Gods are in his statement
Subject object relationship between the Father and the Son that is formed and completed on the basis of relationship...we see this relationship throughout the New Testament...clearly this indicates distinctions of personhood....READ John 17:5..interesting that this indicates that this relationship existed in eternity before the incarnation.....
wow dude killed his own argument around 1:30. he said JESUS is that same GOD that spoke to Moses.. well thats saying JESUS IS JEHOVAH GOD.. Jehovah God is the FATHER RIGHT? man he killed himself on this.. i hope this dude is not a pastor
brother i like to replay to you on this question in fact jesus is jehovah ,the father is jeohavah and the holy spirit is jehovah
we belive that all tree persons is to be called jehovah because is talking about one being one name with 3 persons
so when we say God we say jehovah
but when we going to say the persons we say ,father ,son and the holy spirit ,,,,so one being in existence in 3 persons thats why is there one god alll the 3 wills becomes only one will
(Mat 1:20 KJV) "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
It is not arrogant to defend the understanding/revelation one has of who God is based on the Scriptures. The Oneness of God is the most essential truth of the Bible. I do agree it is not right to be mean-spirited about it, though.
TRIKKER01-how many God's are there? If you know the Bible you will say 1. I know the Bible and I say 1. there is only 1 God, so the fact that the trinitarian man doesn't understand the identity of Jesus doesn't mean he's guilty of idolatry, it means he doesn't understand the identity of Jesus. BTW Jesus said in Rev 1:8 that He is the Almighty.
If JESUS is the EXpress image of the INVISIBLE GOD.... what invisible GOD(THEOS) is He the visible image(IKON) of? THE Father? GOD THE SON? GOD THE HOLY GHOST? IF THEOS means simply GOD . And GOD is triune, then Jesus is the express image of the invisible TRINITY?
I don't think so my friends, JESUS IS THE VISIBLE MANIFESTION OF THE INVISIBLE GOD( THE FATHER). GOD IS ONE! Heb 1:3 COL 1:13
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD(LOGOS) and the logos was with GOD(THEOS) and the logos was theos.
The UPC does not disqualify itself because of sincerity, passion, worship style or preaching ability but rather the consistent arrogance that you are right, and those outside oneness are wrong. I was in the UPC for years, and I know this attitude made evaluate , and pray " God , there has to be more than this" -
Politics, and double standard, whose more holy than you etc- God blesses you , despite you
There is no perfect earthly explanation of the nature of God. Your perception of people unlike yourself is arrogant. You have no right to assume what someone's motives are unto the Lord . This is a remaining issue in the spirit of the UPC, you cannot see that you are a small fraction of the body of Christ, not the whole.
I was a trinity preacher for about the first 5 years of my ministry., then the Lord showed me the Revelation of Jesus Name, and oh how it changed my life!!
I've been preaching for 15 years now and so the last ten have been greater than ever!
But I am glad to hear Bro. Benared say that we serve the same God just see him differently..
Too many people think all oneness people are the mean kind that think we are the only ones.
im sorry you get that impression from oneness believers. we dont want you to feel that way. its just when you get a revelation of oneness you just see what it means to believe in one God. There is a lot of power in that knowledge witch makes us passionate. But again, im sorry that people would make you feel inferior. God bless.
Thanks for your apology. My point was trinitarians believe in ONE God as well. You have chosen to focus on the one God with three parts, while from across the room they choose to focus on the three parts , but yet know there is one God. I do not feel inferior, I said
" you act as if trinitarians are inferior" -
Nobody can read your mind, but we do read your words and actions.
yes i agree once you get the revalation of One God you really see who your god is and you really know who you serve. we should never want to make anyone inferior that is not all Oneness believers intention.
I know Trinitarians say that their is only one God, yet they keep calling God/ three persons-when I hear that, I see three, divides God, it makes God three separate entities, I see separate, but when I see Jesus I see only ONE.
I know Trinitarians say that their is only one God, (yet) they keep calling God/ three persons
How does one oppose the other...
This simply means we have an understanding of God that oneness dont agree with but it does not oppose the scripture, 3 persons does NOT equal 3 beings.
read Genesis 18:1-]its good 4 Cathollic Christians to runup wit confused people like these(predicted in Holy Scripture by da way)this strenghtens fatih.advise:b4 you change Churches/faith,try 2 @ Least research.find out meanings of Mass,Sacraments,Mary,there are many Confused Catholics,but only few True Catholic Christians;back in da day,people respected God so much dat barely refered 2 Him as YAVEH(spanish Bible)& u feel wit da right to come & do it & even change the name 2 Jehova?
Ps. i must add that they are rebuttaling after they make their first statements, when i previously complained about the second preacher not giving his rebuttal to the first, so my apologies...
NEVER DOES JESUS OR ANY OF THE DISCIPLES SAY ANYTHING LIKE WHAT TRINITARIANS TELL US, SO WHERE DOES THIS DOCTRINE COME FROM? AND WHY IS HE DEVATING WHETHER JESUS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD? WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY WE MOST BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY? WHERE DOES IT SAY WE MUST BELIEVE IN THREE PERSONS TO BE SAVED? WHAT NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES EVER GIVEN ONTO FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT FOR SALVATION? AFTER ALL IS ALL ABOUT THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS? NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY TO BELIEVE IN PERSONS!
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77Talltee 1 month ago
i wanted to point this out to you guys. Notice at 1:32-1:49 he said "Pastor Bernard does not believe that Jesus is the Father but he believe that the Father is Jesus" but isn't that the same thing. lol. It must of been a slip of the tongue.
vcadet11 1 month ago
One God only in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. so what is that name. Jesus Christ. Hey if the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus then what are their name?
zedrev01 2 months ago
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There is ONE GOD . This ONE GOD has a son. The Son is not the ONE GOD. God's spirit is not a separate individual, any more than your spirit is anseparate individual apart from you. Both the trinity and oneness ideas are heresy because they both make the ONE GOD "three" something.
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
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zedrev01 1 month ago
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The "logos" (word) of God in John 1:1 is not a person, but the mind of God in audible form. It is the vehicle of creation. "In the beginning, God SAID, 'Let there be light'", etc. God's spoken word is His logos that was in the beginning with Him and IS Him just like my words that I'm writing here represent me. God's logos became flesh in that Jesus Christ came to do and speak as he was commanded by God, thus representing God expressly. See Deut 18:18 Jesus is not God.
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
@Str8Talker365 Correct. The word in John 1:1 is not yet a flesh but the mind of God in audible form. I agree. But it does not say that Jesus is not God in Deut 18:18. That I do not agree. In Col 9:6 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.....
zedrev01 1 month ago
@zedrev01 Jesus is called a "prophet" in Deut. 18:18 who would DO and SPEAK as the ONE GOD commanded, thereby representing the ONE GOD.
As far as Col 9:6 ... we see believers having "all of the fullness of God" in Eph 3:19. Does this make believers GOD? No, no more than it makes Jesus GOD.
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
@Str8Talker365 ....Do you ever wonder why Jesus did not directly proclaim that He is God? Even the devil He rebuke not to say who He was in the real sense. He is humble & showed it by His works. He has a mission of being the lamb to be sacrificed in calvary. Who can raise a dead man like Lazarus who was dead for how many days and already in a rotten stage? A God. And Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. There is only one Father and Jesus was that Everlasting Father prophesied in isaiah 9:6
zedrev01 1 month ago
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Jesus NEVER claimed to be GOD for one reason ... he's NOT GOD. He claimed to be the Son of GOD, which is who he is.
Jesus was GIVEN all power and authority by GOD. ONLY GOD is inherently immortal (IS life itself), I Tim. 6:15-16. ONLY GOD can GIVE life, which is what happened when He raised Jesus from the dead, making Jesus the "firstfruits" of the resurrection, "first born from the dead". Jesus was DEAD for 3 days/nights. GOD gave him permanent life afterwards.
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 The Word( audible voice of the One God) became flesh (human form in Jesus name, comprende?) and made his dwelling among us.
Every knee shall bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Hear oh Israel , the Lord our God is one Lord.
Jesus is Lord. If Jesus is Lord and there is only one Lord, therefore Jesus is that God. The I AM. Alpha & Omega.
zedrev01 1 month ago
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"Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (not GOD) to the GLORY OF THE FATHER..."
Most people leave off the last important phrase, just as you have done.
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
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@Str8Talker365 Of course there is only One God. The Son Is the Word that manifested into flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning is the Word. and the Word was With God. And the Word was God.
Nature of the One God (Father) is a Spirit. Invisible. And the very Word that manifested into flesh as Son(John 1:14) is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15). And these three manifestation in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is all in the name of Jesus Christ.
zedrev01 1 month ago
He is telling that there is one God but his explanation is two and three being. he just can not accept the fact that the one God is Spirit and can manifest Himself to many beings if He chooses to be, The mind of the trinitarian has limited the power of the one true God
zedrev01 2 months ago
He was talking to the earth, not another "Essence" of himself...how complicated and man made does that sound anyway
stedmans4christ 3 months ago
Also, when God said, Let us make man in our own image...he was commanding the earth. Adam means earth. (God said let their be light...to the Sun, he commanded the sun) Corinthians says we are earthy and spirit. God breathed life into us...so we are made of the dust of the earth and God's breath of life. Even science is proof we have all elements of earth in our bodies.
stedmans4christ 3 months ago
@Sabellianism I would like to debate you.
Danielezerable 3 months ago
@Str8Talker365 You know your Bible well. What's your view on Michael the Archangel?
Danielezerable 3 months ago
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Michael the archangel is a servant of the Most High with the specific duty of protecting the people of God. Daniel 12:1
Str8Talker365 1 month ago
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Where can I to buy this video with subtitles in spanish?
moisesokok 4 months ago
Well, give the quotations!! The trinitarian keeps claiming to be quoting David Bernard and telling the audience that he can give them the quote, BUT NEVER GIVES IT. A better debate, in my opinion, is on youtube listed as "Is UPCI a Cult? (David K. Bernard vs. Robert Morey), it's in 7 parts, but well worth the time to watch.
PhillipDaniel 4 months ago
@PhillipDaniel Looked for "Is UPCI a Cult? and could not find it...instead I found a bunch of videos from hateful people bashing the truth. Did I type it wrong?
stedmans4christ 3 months ago
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
BibleFrW 5 months ago
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"let's see, what am I going to do today." Just because humans say things like this, doesn't mean God would. This is improper grammar that we have adopted. "let's see..." implies "let us see" and if an individual is speaking of themself, they have misspoken. GOD IS PERFECT. He does NOT misspeak or use improper grammar. If He said "Let US" then that is what He meant. Not to mention that He says "OUR" and no one uses that in an improper way. In the garden Jesus prayed, "not my will, but thy
Kingram417 5 months ago
will be done." TWO SEPERATE WILLS, IMPLIES TO SEPERATE ENTITIES! Also, Jesus told the disciples that He would send the comforter (the Holy Spirit) and that He came from the Father and the Son. If the Spirit is simply Jesus in another mode, why didn't He just say, "I'll be back as the Spirit?" COMING FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON, IMPLIES DISTINCTION! THREE ENTITIES, BUT ONE GOD! Jesus is at the RIGHT HAND of the Father. The Word was WITH God. There are 3 that bear witness IN HEAVEN...
Kingram417 5 months ago
@Kingram417 The Bible tells us that there is only One spirit. John 4:24 God is a Spirit. God + Holy Spirit = 2 Spirits? Its 1x1x1=1 Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
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Kingram417 5 months ago
God speaking to God??? have any of you ever noticed that a lie is always really complicated, while the truth is almost always very very SIMPLE, easy to understand and makes perfect logical sense
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
Oneness is PROPER THEOLOGY
timothylocklear 8 months ago
BOTH Oneness and Trinitarian dogma are heresies because Jesus is not God, either by "substance" or "person". These theologies are actually the same, making "GOD" "three 'something'". Oneness teaches that God is three "substances", not "persons", and Trinitarians teach that God is three "persons" not "substances".
The truth is that GOD is ONE and is the FATHER ALONE. Jesus Christ is His Son, who DIED (a thing GOD could not do), and was raised to life by the ONLY ONE WHO GIVES LIFE, GOD.
Str8Talker365 8 months ago
@Str8Talker365 please read jn2:18-22 and let me know what you think.
bilsau 8 months ago
@bilsau
John 2:19 is best understood in the light of John 10:18, which tells us HOW it is that Jesus had the power to take up his life again:
"... I have power to take it again. This COMMANDMENT have I received of MY FATHER." John 10:18
Jesus came to DO and SPEAK the Father's will, thus represently GOD expressly in word and deed, just like Moses foretold in Deut. 18:18 and confrimed in Acts 3:22. Also, see John 5:19, 7:14-18, 8:28-29, 12:49-50.
Jesus is not God.
Str8Talker365 7 months ago
@Str8Talker365 Sorry my friend. That is not correct. If Jesus is ever identified as Jehovah that argument does not stand. Please read Pslam 45 and Psalm 102. Would you agree that these Psalms are speaking of Jehovah? I don't know how you could interpret them any other way. If that is the case then after you read the Psalms turn over to Heb. 1: 8-14. Notice it says but of the son he says: and then makes reference to these Psalms. Jesus and Jehovah are identified as the same being.
jwednall 4 months ago
...The Lord our God is one Lord... (Deuteronomy 6:4)
10Alberto20 9 months ago
TRINITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
1. John 10:28 Jesus HOLDING you
2. John 10:29 Father HOLDING you
3. Ephesians 4:30 you are SEALED by the Holy Spirit
3NITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
mbcchoir 9 months ago
" For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. " (1John 5:7, NKJV)
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
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Did Jesus come for peace?
Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 11 months ago
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If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
OneGodActs238 1 year ago
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If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
OneGodActs238 1 year ago
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Beware lest any man spoil you throgh philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2.8
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily Colossians 2. 9
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
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colossians 2.8,9 beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
jk
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
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Colossians 2. 8,9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
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Collossians 2, 8,9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vein deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
magdixXxGlimh 1 year ago
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. To beget means to bring into existence. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and is also the firstborn from the dead. This means he was the First to be created and the First to ressurect from the dead. THEREFORE Jesus can't be God because God doesn't have a beginning; in other words He certaintly wasn't created. Peace be upon you.
BBVGstacks 1 year ago
@BBVGstacks galatians 4:4 says that the Son(Jesus) was BORN of a woman, made under the law. so it is biblical to say that the Son had a beginning. so how can the Son, who had a beginning also be the Lord of Glory? 1 cor 2:8.......because He is the Father and the Son all by His bad self!!!!!!!!!!
leftpuman 1 year ago
@BBVGstacks Neither did Jesus as far as his Godhood. Jesus was begotten or brought into existence according to the flesh. His humanity was brought forth but his deity was not. He has always existed as the eternal Son of God. Please read Psalm 45 and Psalm 102. Next read Hebrews 1: 8-14. This a clear example of how Jesus and Jehovah share the same being that is God.
jwednall 4 months ago
@jwednall Trinitarian, Binitarian, Oneness, Arian...I can't really tell your status.
Danielezerable 3 months ago
@Danielezerable I am a Trinitarian.
jwednall 3 months ago
@jwednall Regarding Psalm 102, 45, and Hebrews 1...In Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1, if they are to be interpreted that way, would mean there are two Gods, not one. This is how the Seventh Day Remnant teaches and that there is one God family of three distinct Gods. However, I go with the Hebrew traditional interpretation. Also, regarding the Lord's glory...a couple arguments I can think. Some translations of Titus 2:13 lead me to believe Jesus is the glory of our great God and Savior. Also, the baptism
Danielezerable 3 months ago
@jwednall of Jesus Christ when Yahweh revealed Himself unto the Gentiles and declared Jesus as His Son. There's also very little in Psalm 102 to suggest that Jesus is Yahweh either. I am a Unitarian.
Danielezerable 3 months ago
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religion = mental illness
luxfair 1 year ago
At 1:08 the crowd begins to applaud as the trinitarian unwittingly gives scriptural support for the oneness of God.
kingdomseeker88 1 year ago
@atestring AMEN! This was a greta debate, and very Christ-Like
labudda1on1 1 year ago
@atestring I am Pentecostal, and Amen to you! And I believe we worship the same God!
labudda1on1 1 year ago
@atestring I am Pentecostal, and Amen to you! And I believe we worship the same God
labudda1on1 1 year ago
So did Jesus pray to himself every day? Did he descend upon himself during baptism? Did he commune with the Father which is Himself? When the Father crushed the Son for our sins on the cross....did Jesus crush Himself?....according to Isaiah 53?
matte5299 1 year ago
so if Jesus is God and the Father is God who sits on the throne in heaven?
kiiyo1 1 year ago
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@kiiyo1 Jesus is the Father manifest in flesh, so Jesus is on the throne
Re 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
There is only 1 God, the throne (1 throne) of God AND of the Lamb
jerryfudala 1 year ago
Didn't you hear what brotha Bernard said about the flesh being the human nature when Jesus prays it is His flesh/human nature praying in the spirit to edify Himself and look at how God said let Us make man in Our image then goes from Our to His own image He was speaking to His human nature/flesh but is still one person not three one God One Jehovah/Lord one savior and that's it stop contradicting yourself
Brotherfireball1988 1 year ago
@Brotherfireball1988 That is the answer that oneness people always give. What about John 17:5?And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Now if every time Jesus prayed, he was talking speaking to his human nature, please explain to me how Jesus could have had glory with the Father before the world was? According to oneness He did not even exist then, or would you say it was his human nature that had this glory?
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall Under the law of reproduction if God has a son, and if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus would be another God. God emphasizes in this scripture that there will never be another God. ISAIAH 43:10,11
Brotherfireball1988 1 year ago
@jwednall good question. i see no one replied either
musicmusing 1 year ago
Jesus is God
erichathy222 1 year ago
There are several factors why I believe the trinity gospel is set up to deceive the majority and set them up for eternal condemnation. 1st we HAVE to be Baptized in JESUS name in order to enter the kingdom of heaven & to be Born Again -not in one of his titles, son, prince, almighty ect. that alone is enough reason to be damned and not even know it. NO ONE in the scriptures was ever baptized in the trinity, wake up this is a life & death issue & now you are all without EXCUSE...
Ilovjas 1 year ago
Wow... NO WAY David said that they serve the SAME God after arguing his whole life that trinitarians believe in three Gods! So many oneness preachers dont believe trinitarians are saved... I'm saying this but I do think we serve the same God, neither oneness or trinitarians believe in more than one God. I just don't think its fair for UPCI to say we serve the same God and then at the same time say trinitarians aren't saved.
littleman684 1 year ago
@littleman684 I believe there will be trinitarians in heaven , bible doesn't say revelation of the God-Head is necessary , bible says being born again is necessary baptizim in Jesus name , infilling of Holy Ghost , and loving God with all you all to the most of your understanding . is whats required
mrmonkeybuns 1 year ago
@littleman684 You can serve the same God by doing the best they can by their knowledge of the Word but rather or not they are saved is another issue.
jerryfudala 1 year ago
@jerryfudala It's not another issue. Unsaved people cannot serve God in any meaningful sense, they can't bear the fruit of the Spirit because they are spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:8-10... we are his workmanship created unto good works... that applies to those who are SAVED BY GRACE. I don't know how Bernard could go to Wesley Biblical Seminary to learn from a bunch of trinitarians who aren't saved (according to his theology) because they worship three gods... inconsistency!
littleman684 1 year ago
@littleman684 go back to sleep now...nap nap time for you...
jerryfudala 1 year ago
Baptizm in Jesus name is the door, infilling of Holy Ghost . debate on oneness vs tri nature of God, I belive there will be Trinitarians in heaven as long as new birth is exp.
No where in scripture does it say full understanding of God head is nec for salvation.
But Jesus said unless a man is born agian of the water and the Spirt...
mrmonkeybuns 1 year ago 2
@mrmonkeybuns Jesus is the door
musicmusing 1 year ago
BTW, unless you have watched the entire volume of videos, you shouldn't post anything, because you haven't heard the entire argument
goomee3d 2 years ago
If you need more than this video to understand David K. Bernard. Read his Book. The Oneness of God. It explains in detail scripture upon scripture.
goomee3d 2 years ago
gotta go with the Trinitarian the Unitarian doctrine makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE at all.
ryakenn 2 years ago
@ryakenn What?!?!?... Are you serious??? Trinitarian makes no sence the guy is contradicting himself all over the place...
Sethern53 2 years ago
make your argument........the church never accepted the unitarian.......if the unitarian doctrine is true how do u reconcile 1st corinthians 15:28?
ryakenn 2 years ago
The church did accept the oneness in the first 200 to 300 years of the church. You should read how many times the trinity was changed through creeds. The inventor of the word Trinity was excommunicated as a heretic for his other beliefs as well.
goomee3d 2 years ago
are u ure about that?.......Polycarp (70-155/160), Justin Martyr (100-165), Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Irenaeus (115-190)
Tertullian (160-215)
Origen (185-254). All within the 1st to the third centuries....so Again are u sure about the church believing the oneness teaching??? because the church fathers are pretty authorative. Stop reading oneness books and use you brain. All three members of the trinity were there at the baptism and if oneness is correct explain Rev 1-4&5
ryakenn 2 years ago
Tertullian himself wrote the majority of believers in his time were oneness. Start reading oneness books, and you might learn something. Jews held to only one God, and that is because the God spoke to them. I use my brain every day. There is no trinity, there never has been. The council of Nicea was a council of fools, and apostates. Your hero of the faith Constantine was a hypocrite, and murderer. Sorry, the doctrine you believe is Tritheism. Whether you use philisophical terms or not
goomee3d 2 years ago
speaking of pagans .....the beliefs in Avatars is also considered to be paganistic......which is exactly what the doctrine of the incarnation is....interesting isn't it???????
ryakenn 1 year ago
Should I list some of the oneness believers in the early church? Of course you will find more Trinitarians in early church history, Paul talked about the faith already having false doctrine creep in. Another reason you don't see much documentation on Oneness is because the Trinitarians many books of what they called heresy.
goomee3d 2 years ago
Burned many books rather
goomee3d 2 years ago
Your verse Rev 1-4&5 supports the Oneness. 1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
goomee3d 2 years ago
BTW almost every person you listed had Oneness counterparts. :) Read the Catholic Encyclopedia some more. You will find more about Oneness believers from them.
goomee3d 2 years ago
You are mistaken, this is not Unitarian. It's oneness.
goomee3d 2 years ago
I also agree with pastor bernard when he says that we do believe in the same God just a different understanding of who he is. however there is only One truth and i believe that to be what the word of God says that all the fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus!!
melterry1 2 years ago
We don't need to put trinitarians down i use to be one before God gave me the truth. making fun and putting trinitarians down doesnt do anything and mainly is not christ like. Yes they could use more revalation and understanding but to say they believe in three Gods is over the top.
melterry1 2 years ago
It's not over the top. It is 3 Gods. Three personalities who are all deity does mean three Gods. Unless you believe either is lesser than the other, in which case, that is not even popular among Trinitarians.
goomee3d 2 years ago
Oneness Stands Gene is confused.
This is where he is LOST!!!!
THE WORD (LOGOS) (Preincarnated expression of God) Eternal God himself EXPRESSED
The Son(Humanity, begotten) is the Incarnated expression of God.
bornest1 2 years ago
I don't understand why Rev. Benard denies that Jesus existed before being born of Mary. Granted he didn't exist in the form of a man at creation but Jesus did exist in the form of the Word (which was with God and which was God) from the beginning and is clearly the creator. John 1:1-14 Perhaps when the voice of God spoke and said, "Let US create man in OUR own image," he was speaking to the angles present. Weren't they present with God then? Don't the angles have images? God as a spirit didn't.
gemcityjeff 2 years ago
can you imagine to God and to Jesuschrist sitting at his right hand *just as Sthepen saw" watching this video?
yesGodknows 2 years ago
He said God is speaking to god??? Yet he still believe in ONE GOD??? I'm confused.
IBJBUBU 2 years ago 2
Bro Gene says he believes in one God but with in 2 seconds he says God was speaking to God.?!? if us indicates 2 or more if us is plorual how many Gods are in his statement
jmunson85 2 years ago
Go Brother Bernard!!! ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM!!!!
kelseyylovee 2 years ago 2
Gene cook contredicts his beliefs several times. At times he says Jesus is God and at other times hes speaks of Jesus as if He is subjective to God.
arangoboi 2 years ago
Subject object relationship between the Father and the Son that is formed and completed on the basis of relationship...we see this relationship throughout the New Testament...clearly this indicates distinctions of personhood....READ John 17:5..interesting that this indicates that this relationship existed in eternity before the incarnation.....
scooner67 2 years ago
wow dude killed his own argument around 1:30. he said JESUS is that same GOD that spoke to Moses.. well thats saying JESUS IS JEHOVAH GOD.. Jehovah God is the FATHER RIGHT? man he killed himself on this.. i hope this dude is not a pastor
BrothaMinister 2 years ago
brother i like to replay to you on this question in fact jesus is jehovah ,the father is jeohavah and the holy spirit is jehovah
we belive that all tree persons is to be called jehovah because is talking about one being one name with 3 persons
so when we say God we say jehovah
but when we going to say the persons we say ,father ,son and the holy spirit ,,,,so one being in existence in 3 persons thats why is there one god alll the 3 wills becomes only one will
thats why one God one will
forjesus12 2 years ago
(Mat 1:20 KJV) "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
ronhanish 2 years ago
It is not arrogant to defend the understanding/revelation one has of who God is based on the Scriptures. The Oneness of God is the most essential truth of the Bible. I do agree it is not right to be mean-spirited about it, though.
elusivelise 2 years ago
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elusivelise 2 years ago
TRIKKER01-how many God's are there? If you know the Bible you will say 1. I know the Bible and I say 1. there is only 1 God, so the fact that the trinitarian man doesn't understand the identity of Jesus doesn't mean he's guilty of idolatry, it means he doesn't understand the identity of Jesus. BTW Jesus said in Rev 1:8 that He is the Almighty.
leftpuman 2 years ago
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If JESUS is the EXpress image of the INVISIBLE GOD.... what invisible GOD(THEOS) is He the visible image(IKON) of? THE Father? GOD THE SON? GOD THE HOLY GHOST? IF THEOS means simply GOD . And GOD is triune, then Jesus is the express image of the invisible TRINITY?
I don't think so my friends, JESUS IS THE VISIBLE MANIFESTION OF THE INVISIBLE GOD( THE FATHER). GOD IS ONE! Heb 1:3 COL 1:13
John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD(LOGOS) and the logos was with GOD(THEOS) and the logos was theos.
Jaysen1976 2 years ago
The UPC does not disqualify itself because of sincerity, passion, worship style or preaching ability but rather the consistent arrogance that you are right, and those outside oneness are wrong. I was in the UPC for years, and I know this attitude made evaluate , and pray " God , there has to be more than this" -
Politics, and double standard, whose more holy than you etc- God blesses you , despite you
Not because- Thanks for listening
timmyhenry1974 2 years ago
There is no perfect earthly explanation of the nature of God. Your perception of people unlike yourself is arrogant. You have no right to assume what someone's motives are unto the Lord . This is a remaining issue in the spirit of the UPC, you cannot see that you are a small fraction of the body of Christ, not the whole.
timmyhenry1974 2 years ago
it is so so so so so so STUPID that the oneness man says that Triniterians and Oneness-belivers believe in the same God!!!
trikker01 2 years ago
This is so awesome!!
There is no other truth except Jesus.
I was a trinity preacher for about the first 5 years of my ministry., then the Lord showed me the Revelation of Jesus Name, and oh how it changed my life!!
I've been preaching for 15 years now and so the last ten have been greater than ever!
But I am glad to hear Bro. Benared say that we serve the same God just see him differently..
Too many people think all oneness people are the mean kind that think we are the only ones.
mdministries 2 years ago
Get him
Sckully 2 years ago
Get him brother Bernard!
Rosman1974 3 years ago
The oneness viewpoint acts as if trinitarians are inferior
because they explain the ONE God differently.
An egg has three parts, yet one egg.
Oneness place emphasis on the one egg
Trinitarians place emphasis on the three parts.
YET THERE IS ONE EGG
timmyhenry1974 3 years ago
im sorry you get that impression from oneness believers. we dont want you to feel that way. its just when you get a revelation of oneness you just see what it means to believe in one God. There is a lot of power in that knowledge witch makes us passionate. But again, im sorry that people would make you feel inferior. God bless.
JacklynMH82 2 years ago
Thanks for your apology. My point was trinitarians believe in ONE God as well. You have chosen to focus on the one God with three parts, while from across the room they choose to focus on the three parts , but yet know there is one God. I do not feel inferior, I said
" you act as if trinitarians are inferior" -
Nobody can read your mind, but we do read your words and actions.
timmyhenry1974 2 years ago
yes i agree once you get the revalation of One God you really see who your god is and you really know who you serve. we should never want to make anyone inferior that is not all Oneness believers intention.
melterry1 2 years ago
is he trying to say there is one god .
is he not a Trinitarian.
bobyowono 3 years ago
There are not three, only ONE-God is ONE-I don't understand why is it that they don't understand that simple math.
mcacts1 3 years ago
When have trinitarians believed in 3 Gods?....huh
liberatedvialove 3 years ago
I know Trinitarians say that their is only one God, yet they keep calling God/ three persons-when I hear that, I see three, divides God, it makes God three separate entities, I see separate, but when I see Jesus I see only ONE.
mcacts1 3 years ago
I know Trinitarians say that their is only one God, (yet) they keep calling God/ three persons
How does one oppose the other...
This simply means we have an understanding of God that oneness dont agree with but it does not oppose the scripture, 3 persons does NOT equal 3 beings.
liberatedvialove 3 years ago
read Genesis 18:1-]its good 4 Cathollic Christians to runup wit confused people like these(predicted in Holy Scripture by da way)this strenghtens fatih.advise:b4 you change Churches/faith,try 2 @ Least research.find out meanings of Mass,Sacraments,Mary,there are many Confused Catholics,but only few True Catholic Christians;back in da day,people respected God so much dat barely refered 2 Him as YAVEH(spanish Bible)& u feel wit da right to come & do it & even change the name 2 Jehova?
menobrrs 3 years ago
Ps. i must add that they are rebuttaling after they make their first statements, when i previously complained about the second preacher not giving his rebuttal to the first, so my apologies...
SamuelMonteon 3 years ago
Hehe i agree, in the first 2 minutes he nervously gave us a scripture that Jesus is God!
SamuelMonteon 3 years ago
Rev. Cook just gave about 5 different points for oneness
Trinitarians just complicate things, then become confused.
One of the noted Trinitarian ministers said that if we understand the Trinity we will lose our mind, but if we deny the Trinity we will lose our soul
thats just absurd
Malkasiann 3 years ago
actually I believe that the quote originates from St. Augustine
drewdafis 3 years ago
St Augustine said that. He also outlined original sin so don't be quick to play him off.
thenegrochristian 3 years ago