D.O.W: Dark Crusade: Space Marines Campaign Introduction

[operationkilled]

If there is another Expansion on DoW2, I wish next time it would be the Thousand Sons... so maybe, they will tell where did the Blood Ravens came from...

[threeclaws1]

sad that the Chapter Master turned out to be heretical...

[Totek123]

Not to mention Kyras being corrupted now

[NCTaikoDrumboy]

I tend to agree with the theory that the first members of the Blood Ravens chapter were a Loyalist breakaway from a Traitor Legion. If the relics on Kronus were of a sort that would shed more light on such a dark connection, then it would make sense that they'd want to keep it under wraps until conditions would allow for them to reveal it. The Imperial Guard were thus considered a threat to the chapter's secrets... and we all know how Space Marines usually react to threats, don't we?

[TheSandRobotos]

I love this game

[Asken96]

my dow 1 DK don't wrok (sad face)

[loltizzle]

lol Kronos stupid ipod

[loltizzle]

KRONOS IS CLAIMED BY THE WORLD EATERS OF KHORNE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, REJOICE BROTHERS, YOUR SLAVERY TO THE FALSE EMPORER ENDS, TODAY!!!!

[TheArta01]

it is of my knowledge that the chapter master, Kyrus was corrupted by choas before the events of the dark crusade. The black legion was plannign to turn the entire chapter to chaos. So as the chapter master was corrupted, it could explain why he ordered the purge on Kronus. thats my beleif

[SlientChaos]

whoa, davian, dude

careful with that chainsword

you'll poke someone's eye out

[NicholasGeschke]

If I were apart of the 40K Universe, I would want to be a Space Marine. My favorite Chapter is the Imperial Fists. The weapon I would use would likely also be my favorite: The Daemonhammer. My greatest enemy would be Chaos, and I'd make it my personal mission to kill, destroy, capture or banish every Daemon and betrayer of Humanity that I could.

As for xenos, I would allow the Eldar to live, and would try to teach the Tau compromise, but would fight them if I were ordered to.

[capstiggles222]

@NicholasGeschke i would be an Ultramarine 2nd company tactical squad sergeant armed with a powersword and a bolter we will crush the enimies of the imperium for ultramar for calgar for the chapter FOR THE EMPEROR

[dragonstormx]

@NicholasGeschke

You'd have go and overthrow the lunatics running things, they feel that all aliens must die. There's also a problem that one of the Eldar craftworlds has made appointed itself with killing any non-Eldar from planets that Eldar inhabited before the Fall.

[FilikB]

SPEHHS MAHRENS

[celestialparrot1]

space marines ftw!

[crappshet]

also the blood ravens lost many brothers in soulstorm thanks to boreale

[Foolfyer]

Davian Thule finds a relic of the chapter, and found it so disturbing that he destroyed it utterly, never speaking of it again.

[dracon56]

and also if ur a chaos space marine u can be awarded deamonic powers like increased strength and stuff only if u reach the deamon lords ears.

The same happens if u fail but it turns out worse than u expect.

Even if they get awarded powers some get overcomed and turn into non human deamons that have no control whatsoever or u can turn into a deamon lord such as ur masters.

[dracon56]

i think that the first chapter of the space marines was dark angels was it? thats where all the Chaos space marines came from then more went because they were possessed.

And the only reason why the blood raven chapter is unique is because all of the history of the soldiers and campaigns were lost. thats what it said i guess

[Erril13]

I use to be a Space Marine hater, but after reading The Horus Heresy books, I have a great respect for them. I prefer Chaos, but I no longer hate the Imperium. :D

[yuyuyu25]

I'd like to see what those relics actually say. Too bad Thule destroyed them after reading them.

[Reaper1722]

I think what the blood ravens we're trying to hide is the fact that they we're former chaos marines. And the Word Bearers, could pretty much ruin it for them by revealing said secret

[frybrain94]

...That makes no sense. You don't go from Space Marine to Chaos back to Space Marine.

[Reaper1722]

Well, that was what's hinted at the game. If u play imperial guard on the single player and defeat the blood ravens, the battle report will say something about Lukas seeing something disturbing.

[Zadeification]

More likely that the Blood Ravens have a gene-pool that derive from one of the turned Primarchs.

[Terrorkarel]

Yes, it heavly suggested that the Blood Ravens are a loyalist ofshot from the Thousand sons legion. The probable were away when Prospero was destroyed and there during the drop site massacre. They stayed loyal but they try do hide the origins because if they imperium discovers it they will be exterminated

[10Maloy]

Its probably likely that the Blood Ravens Genes come from one of the Primarchs who was tricked into Chaos worship. Such as one whos name I can't remember believed the Emperor was trying to kill him so he teamed up with the chaos worshippers.

[jay6366]

there was a few other hint at it aswell i think

[deadlykeybord]

You cant be a former chaos marine... once your a CSM your one for life.

[1994gondor]

@deadlykeybord if you learned some 40k history you would know that some marines from the traitor legions stayed loyal

[deadlykeybord]

@1994gondor Wtf does that have to do with being a Chaos marine and being one for life? Nothing. And for your information I knew that some marines from traitor legions were still loyal, the entire drop site massacre was made to clear them out or is that not 40k? Also the garro of the death guard was loyal or is that not for 40k to?

[Extraintrovert]

I like it how in Dark Crusade there is at least an attempt at justification for why servants of the God-Emperor are fighting each other (although admittedly no-one in Warhammer 40K needs much of an excuse), secrecy and pride for Marines and Guard respectively, whereas in Soulstorm it's essentially "people over there, go kill them". I prefer some reason behind my mindless violence.

[redalert2havoc]

the reason why the factions landed here is because they wanted to know why the soulstorm was appearing in the galaxy.

[Extraintrovert]

"the reason why the factions landed here is because they wanted to know why the soulstorm was appearing in the galaxy"

Congratulations on completely missing the point. I never claimed there was no justification for the differerent armies arriving (despite the massive coincidence), but there was none for why the Imperial armies fight each other as well as the aliens and heretics instead of allying their forces.

[iloveasiangirls]

Well, the warp storm appeared under the Imperial Guard's watch, and therefore they were suspected of heresy by bringing it. As such, the Sisters of Battle were sent to bring them in. Unwilling to submit, the IG fought back.

Also, the Sisters were ordered to purge the entire Kaurava system of anything that stood in their way. The Blood Raven's refusal to stand aside explains why they fought the marines.

Quite a stretch, but as plausible as 9 armies arriving in the same place at once. Ha :P

[xxDEAGORxx]

it is true that it is very far fetched that 9 armys arriving in the same place at the same time but they give decent reasons in soulstorm but wat i didnt like about soulstorm was that it didnt have the kind of story that warhammer is famous ie. it was just shoot these guys there heritics burn them cos the sob love fire etc . in other warhammer games its mainly about the sm v the csm with other groups in it and it shows the backround of the groups and y their fighting each seperate group

[xxDEAGORxx]

sorry to sound like a snob but t was a warp storm that brought every1 to the system the soulstorm is wat the dark eldar summon using the souls of captives

[princeofiron]

they pulled all the people in dev for dow and put em in dow2, ss is just there to make money from diehard fans

[deadlykeybord]

@Extraintrovert Mindless violence with a reason :D I like.

[DrMlieko]

@Extraintrovert

they did give some explanation is Soul Storm

The Sisters of Battle were fanatics who viewed everyone as corrupted, the Imperial Guard was trying to keep it's face since they were suspected of causing the storm, and the Space Marines were just caught in the middle

[DJTRANCENDENCE]

@Extraintrovert "mindless violence" by definition has no reason behind it! lol!

[AgiEqualsLavie]

@Extraintrovert At first I also thought the justification is poor, but after playing all of Dawn Of War II games, I found out it is actually solid. *SPOILER ALERT* The Blood Ravens' Chaptermaster is a heretic, he told Thule to kill everyone in order to make offerings to Khorne. Being all secretive about his motifs fits perfectly with the story.

[splashie777]

how can the librarian run with that giant pole.............oh and his magic stick lol!

[zingtea]

My vocal chords would hurt so much afterwards if I had to narrate a game like that.

[anime262]

this is where things went wrong and I know most people probably suggested this already, instead of fighting the gaurds, the Blood Ravens should've fought with the guards to reclaim kronus.

[Echelon030]

No, they shouldn't have.

It's stated in Dark Crusade and Dawn of War 2 that there's some secret on Kronus so important that the Blood Ravens can't let anyone discover it, least of all an ambitious young Imperial general reporting directly to Segmentum Command.

From the dialogue between Thule and Eliphas, and the general fluff of the chapter, it's very strongly hinted that the Blood Ravens are descended from the Thousand Sons traitor legion.

[SteelWool91]

which is why they have such great psykers

[Caithness19]

That would explain the need for secrecy very well indeed...

[Sideshow1111]

wow very interesting! :)

[MGGoblin]

@Echelon030 I think a little bit different. The Blood Ravens descent from "The Unknown Primarch" - (not Magnus from the Thousand Sons) - but I also agree, I believe the Blood Ravens began their journey, as a traitor Legion. Then, they "redeemed" themselves.

[amir0298]

@Echelon030 i agree,many of their quote such as "knowledge is power" was original coming from thousand sons.thats why the inquisitor toth came to kronus after the purge of kronus.

[RX117STARoTOAPRIME]

@Echelon030 wait, I thought it was confirmed in a book that the Blood Ravens were descended from the World Bearer Legion. Someone said this earlier so I don't know. Any clue?

[AgiEqualsLavie]

@RX117STARoTOAPRIME The reason why Relic/THQ chose Blood Ravens for ther games is that they are pretty much an empty page. There is so little information about them its easy to create whatever speculations you want. As far as I remember they are decended from a chapter that "Corvus" in their name which IS heretic and Corvus is Raven in latin. But it's never said in the cannon "Ravens are decended of herticis". It just says "We dont know"

[splashie777]

davian thule gabriel angelos and chaplin xavier bronx plus a new librarian leader are in dow2

[FabioMustachay]

well let me just say that dark eldar can kill you all

[06196012]

the hell they will

it will be the other way round pal

there si not just one space marines chapter u know there are thousands of others

they will wipe you out no problem

[Bbturtle35]

ur right dude the space marines hav a whole bunch oh chapters like dark angels, blood angels, iron fists, black templars there r more but i dont want to make a list of all of em

[arelius536]

ahhh it's sad that the space marines

(blood ravens) gonna fight the imperium

(imperial guard) hmmmm who are the traitors..

imperial guard or blood ravens???

[redalert2havoc]

I don't think any of them are traitors, its just that they both have different view points. The space marines think they are the 'boss' of the imperial guards and I guess the imperial guards don't like that, always getting ordered around by the space marines.

The real traitors are probably the chaos army, they were once space marines and they fought their own people.

[Bbturtle35]

ya but werent the chaos mutated space marines since they almost hav the same armour but different in ways

[06196012]

the imperial guard are the traitors here

the commander of the blood ravens forces on kronus ordered the imperial guard forces to retreat but they did not and also a space marine commander has the authority to order the imperial guard forces anyway so the imperial guard are the real traitors

[Echelon030]

Based on all the clues in the books and games, it can be said with virtual certainty that the Blood Ravens are descended from a Traitor Legion.

If the Imperium got their hands on evidence of this, the Blood Ravens would be hunted down and exterminated. So they would rather wipe out one IG regiment than be declared excommunicate.

[Echelon030]

Also, the Imperial Guard were in the wrong. Orders from a Space Marine chapter override all Imperial authorities short of the High Lords of Terra, or the Inquisition.

[Tehmolez]

Nope they don't. They are outside imperial jurdiscation. They can't command Imp guard and they can't be commanded by other imps.

[06196012]

i gathered this already but that changes nothing because the blood ravens have fought for the imperium for a thousand years against a thousand enermys they have proved their loyalty to the imperium in blood

besides other chapters that have fought alonside them can voach for their loyality to the imperium

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Actually, the Blood Ravens have around since the First Chapter Founding after the Horus Heresy, making ten thousand years old at least. If they are actually one of the two missing legions, then they are even older than that. But I agree with you. Whether they were loyalists of a traitor legion or a legion that started off traitor during the HH but turned back before the end of the Heresy, it doesn't matter. They have long since proven their loyality to Emperor and the Imperium.

[06196012]

yea i agree with you there

[Concrob63]

It's already known that the Blood Ravens won at Kronus (because Thule returns in DOW2), but you yhink they won on Kaurava?

[AkatsukiBoss13]

It's unknown who won SS. But it's likely that any of the Forces of Order won it. Personally, I'm leaning towards the Tau and Space Marines. Maybe we'll find out in DoW 2

[Concrob63]

Tau is considered a Force of Order? Always thought they were separated from others, kind of like the Necrons are. But this has appeared to be worng...

But you are wright, if they mention the FM on Kaurava than they most've won.

[deadlykeybord]

I have a distrust for the tau thier histroy isn't nice and their rapid technological advancement makes me think chaos had/has something to do with it as well as the eitherials

[Concrob63]

Maybe.

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Actually, the Tau barely regester in the Wrap, meaning it's harder for them to be corrupted by Chaos. In fact, in DC, when the Tau attack the Chaos stronghold and Eliphas tries to taunt O'Kais telephaticly, like he does with the other commanders, O'Kais says that there's a buzzing on his comm and can't actually hear Eliphas. And the Greater Good is strongly against what Chaos is about. So why would they be tied to Chaos?

[deadlykeybord]

I know that they barly register i nthe warp but still a warp storm eclipsing there system when the imperium decovers it seems odd to me

plus the etherials are like pykers in many way

[AkatsukiBoss13]

No. The Tau as a race, have yet to develop a psyker which is why they have a limited galaxtic range. And after the Fall of Medusa campagin, the Etherials declared that the Wrap was no place for the Greater Good and to leave for the foolish and mad races. As to the wrap storm, most are random events. And if it had been manipulated, why would Chaos seek to preserve a race like the Tau? If any race manipulated this, it would be the Eldar. Many Eldar view the Tau as the only race to surpass them.

[deadlykeybord]

all good points but still can you explain the ethierals power over the tau its not just good leader ship its something elase to

[AkatsukiBoss13]

The Ordo Xenos believe they may produce pheromones that effect the Tau castes but even then, it's only a vague theory. It's more likely their devotation to the Greater Good which is the same as any race's devotation to their god But why do the Tau seem so sinster to you? There's plenty of people who dislike the Tau, calling navie fools, communist happies, pathetic do-gooders, etc. But you're the only person that thinks that they're up to something sinster, when everything points to the opposite.

[deadlykeybord]

Thats a very real theory, If something points to the opposite it usealy means thier covering something up plus when the ethierals first appered in front of a waring tribe they were let in without a word and another eitheral entered the enieme's camp without a fuss aswell now that makes me question the tau and the greater good

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Okay, why do you think Etherials are something sinster? There's been nothing in the lore to even suggest that the Etherials and the Tau are evil. The only expection, is that terribly done DC Tau ending. Which just about everyone agrees, they'd never do and if they did, it would be better than some of the things the Imperium and the Eldar have done. The Tau, the Imperium and the Eldar are the only 'good' guys in the Warhammer 40k universe. Accept it. The Tau Empire is good.

[deadlykeybord]

i never said there not good im just saying i dont trust them thier intetions arn't completly knonw

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Their only ambition is and always has been to unite the galaxy under the Greater Good. That's been known ever since they were created. Just as the Imperium's abition is to control the entire galaxy. Which is the ambition of most of the other races as well.

[deadlykeybord]

and the greater good for who and the imperiums gole was to unite the galaxy in thier image but that when Wrong after the Emperors deth

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Actually, the Emperor and the Imperium back then was about as xenophobic as they are now. The Emperor wiped out whole races of aliens for no reason other than to take their world(s) for the Imperium. So the Imperium's ideal future is a galaxy of united humans and a galaxy free of aliens. The Tau seek to unity all the Order races together against the evils of the galaxy.

[deadlykeybord]

True the imperium was very xenophobic by no means what they are in the prensent,and telling me what the tau seek wont change my views on them

[barzano63]

Tau are most likely controlled by pheremones. There's a rebel force of tau that went AWOL after their ethereal died in battle. Their leader recovered a chaos artifact that failed to posess him because they make no imprint upon the warp. They are the best melee units among the tau, hell, their the only ones trained in melee combat.

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Actually, it's never said what the origins of Commander Farsight's sword. Though it's been hinted at that it could be a Necron weapon or an Eldar weapon or of a race just as old. And it's never been determined if Farsight is a true traitor or is loyal to the Tau Empire, just merely fighting to protect it his own way.

[AkatsukiBoss13]

...

You think the Tau aren't one of the Forces of Order? The core of their beliefs is unity against the evils of the galaxy. How can they not be seen as a Force of Order?

All of the races are divided into two camps, Forces of Order and Forces of Disorder/Distruction. The Tau, the Eldar, and the Imperium are the FoO, because they're the only 'good' forces in 40k. Chaos, Necrons, Orks, Dark Eldar, and the Tyrainds are the FoD.

[deadlykeybord]

I herd somewhere that they were a break off of the thouson sons legion if thats true then they must be 10,000 years old and very very loyal

[AkatsukiBoss13]

That's one of the many theories. All that is known about their origins is that they are a First Founding Chapter. Which means that they were one of the original twenty legions or were once a part of one of the legions. Relic and GW left it a mystery so the players could come up with their stories of their origins. Like the two missing primarchs and their legions.

[deadlykeybord]

Im leaning towords the theoeie but im open to new ones

[deadlykeybord]

i ment im leaning towards the theroie i commented but im open to new ones

[AkatsukiBoss13]

Continued-They defected back to the loyalists, though suffered many losses escaping from the traitors. Their primarch and the survivors escaped to Terra. The loyalists reluctantly accepted them back into the fold, but most suspected them of still being traitors. In effort to prove themselves, they threw themselves on the traitors, taking many but losing just as many. After the HH, they support the forming of the chapters and were renamed the Blood Ravens, to honor the loyalists they killed.

[deadlykeybord]

is this your opiuon or have you herd this form somewhere in any case i like this theorie

[AkatsukiBoss13]

As I said, it's my personal backstory for them.

[deadlykeybord]

sorry forgot about that but its a very real posiblity

[AkatsukiBoss13]

My personal backstory for the Blood Ravens is that they were one of the two missing legions, under a different name and colors, likely with Raven in it. They were pretty much the same as they are now, high number of psykers and a thrist for knowledge. When the Horus Heresy happened, Horus tricked them into siding with the traitors, though not to chaos worship like some of the others. But after the Drop Site Massacure, they began to doubt Horus and ultimatily realized their mistake.

[Tehmolez]

Space marines are technically outside imperial jurdiscation. This means that they can't be commanded by Imp forces but they can't command other imp forces. Lukas was entirley in his rights to fight them. The blood Ravens were being the twats. Wanting to cover something up. Ordering Lukas off the planet meant that it would conflict with Lukas's superiors orders and this meant they would have to fight. The aggressors were the blood ravens. They fought Lukas to cover their asses.

[06196012]

yea but a space marine commander's authority excedes that of a imperial guard commander

the only people who can order the space marines are the high lors of terra or the chapter master of the blood ravens

[Tehmolez]

No. They can't command the guard. The Emperor intended Marines to act indepdent of the rest of IOM. And because of that Lukas was outside of their command as well. Lukas was a fool to try and order spess marhines to back down :P.

Guard commanders normaley follow marine commanders because marines can use the guard in winning stratgies. Plus working with space marines would be a huge moral boost for Imp guard.

[06196012]

in other words the guards brought this upon themselves

ah well most of the guards are useless anyway so it would't matter to the imperium when one regiment gets destroyed

[Tehmolez]

Yeah. You don't dick around with 3 compaines of space marines and live to tell about it most of the time. Guard do 90% of the imperial defense and win most of the time so give them so credit. Yeah regiments are expendable and there was only one on Kronous. Hive worlds can raise armies in the billions:P. Were most of the guard comes from in fact.

[06196012]

im not saying all of the guard are crap they are't some regiments like the cadians are excellent soldiers but they want to pick a fight with someone don't pick space marines

[Bbturtle35]

that is a good question but the imperial guards didnt listen to there orders which were to fall back and the blood ravens didnt hva much of a choice but to kill em but the answer could be both

[beastclaw33]

@arelius536 a chapters orders are more important than imperial guard,but the IGorders come from the high lords of terra,or something like that,which have higher authority.birocracy

[CockieKing]

i like the space mariens, they pwn (thats my oppinion, reply it with nice words or don´t reply it at all)

[redalert2havoc]

yeah, I prefer space marines or chaos over the other sides, and they're easy to use.

[animewarrior3]

@CockieKing space marines ftw. but the tau empire kicks some ass to lol.

[MonoFlauta]

I win with the Necrons and now i am plaing with the space marines

[redalert2havoc]

i prefer the space marines, i find the necrons abit weak but their numbers can be massive.

I built max pop limit for necrons, sent to enemy base, wait for them to all die, leaving their bodies on the floor, rebuilt to max pop limit, sent to enemy base, revive dead bodies with hero's ability and you get twice the pop limit of units! Enemy won't stand a chance.

[MonoFlauta]

guau that is madness XD

[redalert2havoc]

you should try out my strategy, the necrons army will be massive and unstoppable.

[10111010010]

dont work in multyplayer-matches

[redalert2havoc]

it may work as long as you protect your hero with the revive ability and rush your army to the enemy's base quickly. The necrons dead bodies always remain on the floor, so just make sure that they are near the enemy base and are together.

[DEATHSPACE2]

yeah but then it will probaly get boring doing the same thing over and over and over. so basicly i would probaly use some different and more fun tactical ideas.

[dearkheart]

i play as tau, and my mate plays as space marines, the reason is, the tau take a long time to get together, and while im doing that, the space marines are bleeding through, then the mass of railguns against the enemy is enough...