It takes this surf kid 30 seconds to shut Ray down. "You can go find who built the building." Ray: "No you can't" Wow, that was some comback Ray! Then he says, "What if the builder died?" It's not about alive or dead.... there are city records within a couple miles of where they're standing that will tell you exactly who built that building... and you can look at the blueprints. "You can go find who built the buildings." "No you can't" AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
yea i got so much out of what your open air preaching Ray Comfort i am blessed to see such grate mighty men of God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ to have so much boldness i am an open air preacher myself and i believe as a Born again child of God holy Spirit Jesus Christ we need to do? more of open air preaching keep up the grate work God Bless u always Amen
Ray did a great job there. I love how he doesn't condemn people and gives them respect. He just challenges to them to think for themselves and go home and think about it. He acknowledges a God-given conscience is more powerful than trying to condemn others.
Shame on all those that judge a brother in faith. God bless those that put their faith in action and go hunt out there. Cause it is not about doing it in a specific way, the holly spirit does the work, it just need to be done through someone redy to step forward and work for the LOrd.
This chap's dislike of evolution clearly isn't based in a detailed or even basic understanding of it. These people don't have access to special knowledge, the just want to sound authoritative without having to go through the nause of learning, in the hope that other idiots will think him clever.
I love the way Ray Comfort approaches all discussions with Atheists as if he is trying to close a sale. Ray follows his ABC's quite well: "Always Be Closing."
Best selling book of all time..... that only 10% of Christians who own one have read through. Making it the most sold but least read book of all time!
@only4him330 Yessir. Being an atheist, I find the bible an amazing reference for arguments with Christians. There is so much that Christians have no idea about in their belief system and they just go on not even thinking about it. I mean if you believed this stuff was true, would you then not be as well versed as possible if you were betting an eternity of happiness on the next 70-90 years of your human life? I would want to know exactly the proper way to do it. Apparently stoning is a good strt
@CtheWolfe Wow ur actually sounding just like Ray didnt know Atheists could that. I think its narrowminded of you to generalize all Christians like that. I am a christian but there are many ways of practicing a religion. I follow science, but I still have my faith. The bible is just a good book with some funny lines and a few morales - I dont get why some ppl think ALL christians are like Ray. We are all different, and see things differently. It would be like saying all females like pink.
@Lohfert The bible says the sun moves around the earth.... and you claim to be a man of science? You claim its a good book yet it has countless commands to stone people that should be upheld even within the New Testament... clearly you have not read Matthew 5. You are just another Christian who has not actually red the book for themselves without wishing certain parts to be true and others false. Ecclesiastes is where it speaks of the sun moving around the earth just fyi. Go read that section.
@CtheWolfe I never claimed that the bible was entirely true. I just said I think its a good book. A lot of good novels have horrific passages in them, it all adds to the excitement. It seems you are convinced that a christian according to you would follow ALL the bible says and believe ALL in it. Well if that is ur statement I am not a christian. I do however claim to be, because my definition is different, I have read the bible I just interpret it differently.
@Lohfert The bible is by no means an interesting read. It is very dry, very archaic. To compare it to a literary novel is like comparing a kids scribble to a comic book. The truth is the negative moral actions of the god in the bible far outweigh the positive ones. Literally gods #1 interaction with people in the bible is killing them. His 2nd is commanding people to kill other people and finally actually just talking to people. Clearly its a great source for... um bloodshed?
@CtheWolfe that depends on what kinda books u like. I actually enjoyed it. In any case I never said the good morals overweighed. u rlly respond to things u dont read oO weird. I will have to repeat myself: SOME funny lines and a FEW good morales.. And it might have bloodshed but so does Dracula, 1984 has torture, doesnt mean they arent good books. My point was not to argue opinions about the bible, but to argue that its not ALL christians that are like u say. Clearly I am talking to a wall here.
@Lohfert But comparing fiction books or even history books to something that people feel they derive their moral sense from is a little different you know? Yes Dracula is bloody, but it was meant to be that was as a work of fiction. The bible is held as gods literal word for so many people world wide. I guess the way I look at it is while some may dismiss it that way for many it bears more significance thus cannot be held against a work of fiction to an actual believer. If that makes sense.
@CtheWolfe So ur basically saying that if one does not believe that the bible is God's direct words one is not a true believer? Fair 'nough I doubt that the majority of the world sees it that way tho. I met loads of christians and most of them KNOW for a fact that the bible is human words, an interpretation of Gods inspiration in them - that is why u cannot follow it to a direct point and u can only say it is a good book. And yes, fiction also gives us morales, teachings and beliefs.
@Lohfert "Fair 'nough I doubt that the majority of the world sees it that way tho." But really if you think about it, how else do you know god? I mean the reason Jesus is divine is because it was prophesied that he would be born. If you do not take the words of the bible literally there is no reason to assume Jesus was the son of god. I agree that many do use the bible the way you describe, but isn't that like making up your own concept of this god? Ignoring what you wish and embracing others?
@CtheWolfe Basically yes, but is it wrong to create ur own concept of God? Isnt that actually what everyone does nomatter the religion. Noone has identical views of a religion. On the other hand, Jesus is not only divine because his birth was prophesised, the prophecy says a son of David, but it is Joseph who carries the line of David not Maria, technically Jesus could not be the son of David the bible Claims. The divinity is in the sacrifice and love for humanity not because of the prophecy.
@Lohfert "Basically yes, but is it wrong to create ur own concept of God?" There is nothing wrong with exploring spirituality or anything. But what is the point of making your own god? I mean isn't that just like having an invisible friend? Yes it may be comforting to think of things a certain way but what is the point if its not true? I mean yes a sacrifice for a "noble" cause is heroic and moving but for something that is not real? Like at some point we break it to children fantasy is not real
@Lohfert Have you ever noticed how religious people who claim to know and earnestly believe fear death immensely seem to fear death the most? Like the thought comforts them when others pass away, knowing they went somewhere better, but do they really believe that if they become so fearful? If you honestly knew and truly believed in a better place after death, would you not welcome it? It would be something to celebrate and embrace. Not mourn and fear. Right?
@CtheWolfe Err ur tlly changing subject.. but no.. fear is the human part of us. U can believe and still fear. Its the same thing as if ur afraid to lose ur GF, even though, you firmly trust her an believe that it will not happen. It doesnt make u a nonbeliever just because you have doubt. Doubt is the challenge of every believer, it is here you must question and strengthen ur faith. Some ppl fear the pain of death or the ppl they leave behind. Just because u doubt doesnt mean u arent christian.
@Lohfert I sort of see it as the same thing. Children enjoy and are enthralled, comforted and work issues out through their fantasies many times. Talking to imaginary friends might allow you to work a problem out or vent thus making you feel better, but to hold on to something fake for the sake of feeling better is well a fruitless venture in my eyes. Its not a real fix. Its more like a comfort blanket. Truth is liberating. It allows you to really move on and change. Acceptance I guess.
@CtheWolfe How can u presume that what I beleive and what comforts me is not truth in my eyes? If it is true to me, yes, call me blind, but does it not have the exact same effect as the truth has to u? Might be that ppl blind themselves, but who are you to say what is true and what is not? Truth can never ever be objective, because humans are not objective beings. If religion helps ppl getting through live and overcome obstacles easier, I do not see why ppl find it so distasteful.
@Lohfert The truth is the truth. There is only one truth. I mean some children really believe their imaginary friends are real, but does that mean they are? No. My point is there is a plethora of ways to live and gain everything good religion has to offer without believing in the nonsense of it. Which in a sense is half of what you have done, but you hang onto the concepts of the god and Jesus for some reason.
@CtheWolfe So? how does that in any way concern you? Who are you to tell ppl what they should beleive? If I want to believe in the spaghetti monster then I do. I believe in Jesus and God for personal reasons, it is none of ur business really, since religion is very intimate. "The truth is the truth. There is only one truth."? You are a human u are too subjective to be able to see truth without a certain perspective. Secondly there is always too sites to a point. example: +2²=4 and (-2)²=4
@Lohfert No I don't think you understand what I am saying. Either the god exists or the god does not. That is the truth. I never said you could not believe what ever you wanted, I expressed myself in saying that the truth for me at least has bearing in whether I believe in something. I would not believe in things if it was not true they existed. Using a mathematical equation to get the same figure is not the same as that in which we are speaking.
@CtheWolfe Well then I suggest you express yourself more clearly. I believe in God. That is the truth for me. I believe in Jesus no not because I live in a Christian country, cuz I dont. I believe in Jesus because I feel my soul drawn by his teachings and his spirit. I dont think you will be able to have any reasonable discussion with a believer if you deny all reasonable believers merely because you want them to follow every biblical word. It seems you are seeing the world as white/black.
@Lohfert "That is the truth for me." This is where you are confused. Truth is true for everyone. We are speaking of things that exist and the way things are. Not subjective feelings or anything of that sort. If I felt leprechauns were real and that was the truth for me, that does not mean they are real. Understand what I mean by truth in relation to existence?
@CtheWolfe I am not at all confused, merely open. REligion isnt about knowing God exists. U cannot know that. It is about believing. The whole concept of faith rests solely on subjective emotions. I see why you might have misunderstood believers. you demand they follow their faith as a fact, an objective truth. But u cant. Why else would I for.ex. follow science. I KNOW science as a fact, but I BELIEVE in God. That is the subjective part. U chave misunderstood the concept of religion.
@Lohfert I think you forget how many people say they have a personal relationship with their god. You cannot have a relationship with something that is not real. I mean to that extent they would say they know their god is real. But outside that belief in anything that has no evidence or real credibility is pointless.
@CtheWolfe It's perfectly possible, can you not have a relationship to your favourite book char? I will state my previous notion: You dont get the concept of religion, therefore it would be futile for you to argue with any believers. You are absolutely wrong when you say we have to found our faith on facts. Nothing is fact, nothing is objective truth. Every scientist knows that. THey never state anything 100% true. You would have to expect that what you perceive is true, which u cannot prove.
@Lohfert "It's perfectly possible, can you not have a relationship to your favourite book char?" No. You can have thoughts about them. You can have feelings for them etc. But this does not mean it is a relationship. This is just personal feeling and thought nothing more. A relationship involves two sentient beings having feeling for each other. If one being fabricates the other that is just fantasy, even if the feeling is genuine towards the fabricated being. Its not real.
@Lohfert And as I have said if you believe in things for personal reasons just because that does not make them true. I mean you are picking and choosing what your religion is essentially by ignoring what you want, and focusing on what you want. This is not the way someone should be doing it if they truly believe in said god. You should be following it to the number of what it really is. And presumably the only reason you believe in Jesus is because you live in a Christian nation.
@CtheWolfe So basically you are saying: Be a fundamentalist or dont be religious at all. Thats basically bullshit. You cant tell ppl they arent religious or faithful if they dont follow the religion to every point, thats like saying if u cant paint the most beautiful paintings in the world, then you arent a painter. If anything you are the most radical and fundamental atheist I have ever encounted, you work with absolutes, wich makes it impossible for any reasonable believer to argue with you.
@Lohfert "If anything you are the most radical and fundamental atheist I have ever encounted" Because I do not believe in making up your own special version of Christianity? Really? How does that make me radical or fundamental? You have essentially made your own religion for yourself.... now how can that possibly be the truth. Really? If Christianity is true your own select one cannot be the true one can it?
@CtheWolfe U are radical and fundamental, cuz u demand that for people to be believers they HAVE to follow their scriptures 100%. Which is impossible and insane. Plus u've absolutely no concept of religion nor science when u state that there is a truth. You cannot prove anything 100% go ask the first professor u meet. Religion is not about one fundamental or objective truth, its about one subjective truth and belief. You dont seem to be able to perceive that concept.
@Lohfert "Plus u've absolutely no concept of religion nor science when u state that there is a truth." There is known fact about the reality of the universe. Yes something could overthrow this a new "truth" or piece of evidence could change a theory, but there are some that are fact and it is so astronomically improbable that they would be over thrown. If scriptures were not there to describe and dictate for the religion what would the religion be? What would differentiate religions from anothe
@Lohfert I believe I have a better grasp on science and religion than you think. I understand fully with what you are saying, don't think that I don't. But those scriptures exist specifically for the concept of a god you say you believe in. They are supposed to be the words and guidelines set forth by the god you claim you believe in. Yet you ignore them and decide yourself what the religion should be. You do not follow the religion you claim, you have created your own version.
@CtheWolfe Again ure wrong. The bible is written by man not one word is put down directly by God, all christians should know this. As you say guidelines! Not every single word in the bible is law. I follow it as well as I can. Anyway I still dont believe ure able to wrap ur mind around neither religion nor science. I therefore think it futile to try and convince you of the concepts as most ppl perceive them. But that's prob why u've had so many conflicts with believers. U dont get it. Toodles xD
@Lohfert If the bible is just writings of men and God had nothing to do with it why try to follow it at all? And I bet within that you cherry pick what you would like to follow. You are still picking and choosing what it is that you wish to believe. I cannot believe you do not see this.
@Lohfert I know how you perceive religion. I am just being stubborn to make you see what you are really doing and why it is "technically" wrong. I have not even expressed anything about any scientific theory on here yet, so to say "You do not understand science." is a poor attempt to defame my intellect so you can feel better about tucking tail. Because you do realise I hope what it is I am saying. You are making and following your own version of Christianity.
@Lohfert I am no where near like sounding like Ray. I actually know the otherside.. I am going to presume I know the tenets of Christianity better than you do. "The bible is just a good book with some funny lines and a few morales" like Luke 19:27 right? "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." - Jesus Christ.... Yeah good lines.... good morals.... if you are a psychopath that is!
@CtheWolfe I said SOME funny lines and a FEW good morales.. U really generalize a lot. And that is what I think sound so familiar and make u sound like Ray.
And yeah u probably know Christianity better than me.. but u dont believe in it, I do, so what is ur point that a Christian is defined by believing in ALL the bible says? In that case then no, I am not a christian, I follow most of what Jesus preached. All define their religion differently even if they are part of the same community.
Keep on peaching Bro. the voice of God must be heard throughout the world. Be strong and courage, in the Lord, and He will be with you always. We love you in Christ, Pray fo us and the city of Bucaharest, that God will awake this city, and bless our unworthy labours. For we are the voices that cry out in the wildernness. that people will hear. they that are of God will hear the message and turn to Jesus Christ. We bless you from Romania. Iuliana and alexandru.
See Christian biophysicist Dr Francis Collins video "The Language of God" here on youtube. He talks about how idiots like this are making Christians look ridiculous by denying evolution. He explains how evolution happens and how it is undeniable. Only the dumbest of the dumb deny that evolution is fact.
Ray doesn't understand Atheism at all. He uses the argument that the Universe needs a creator by definition. This Creator is eternal and all powerful and has no beginning or end.
Listen to an atheist when he talks about the universe. The Universe is eternal, contains all matter and energy (all powerful) and has no beginning or end. Ergo, to the intellectual atheist (not merely someone hurt by organized religion) the Universe = "God."
thats kinda funny, and unfortunately your not aware of it, caz the embarrassing flaw in your comment, is that 90% of scientists including hawking.. not only believe but are 100% sure the universe isn't eternal and did have a beginning! and so if everything that has a beginning has a cause, the universe must have a cause.. if the universe has a cause, then there must have been a designer for this cause!
@JusJuiceIt I would encourage you to read a book by Hawking that isn't 20 years old. Regardless, you will never win anyone to Jesus this way. It's not like selling a vacuum cleaner or a sham wow. It won't work to insult people's intelligence, or deny science, or shout in showy platitudes.
And again, if you're going to argue against a worldview (Atheism in this case), it's best if you understand it. Mr. Comfort clearly does not.
lol you no nothing about me.. please dont assume things, not for my sake, but for yours!
and also, i have very good reasons and valid points to why i insult peoples intelligence lol.. even though i really shouldn't be calling people stupid, they say just the right words to put there name in that category, i dont even have to mention it! and i really dont know where you were going with when you said "read a book by hawking that isn't 20 years old".. what were you trying to say
"The Grand Design" by Hawking (It was released this September). Google It.
I'm not an Atheist, but the Bible calls us to love people, not insult them. People deny God because of pride and sin, not because of their intelligence (or assumed lack thereof).
ok, i will.. and your right my friend, believe me i no that.. but the Bible also says "the fools will neglect me and turn away".. and your right, pride has a lot to do with there rejection towards a deity!
@VforVideo The bible also calls us to rape, torture, murder, war, capital punishment, sodomy, incest and slavery. People deny the god-myth of your bible because the book is rife with contradictions and, like every myth, is a made-up story. A fiction. A lie. Pride has nothing to do with the facts.
I agree with the part about it being "rife with contradictions."
As for rape, torture...etc. I will only say that you have to look that the Bible holistically, because what you say is true if you only look at certain parts. Much of the Bible was never meant to be taken literally (parables, visions, etc.).
Sadly, some use the Bible to justify violence and hostility, many more use it to defend their smug, self righteous attitudes (see video). I sincerely apologize for this.
@VforVideo you can't have it both ways - you can't take part of the bible literally and say that the rest isn't made to be taken literally - to do so is hypocritical... not to mention that the whole story is a myth, a fiction, a lie...
exactly?.. and when you said "you will never win anyone to Jesus this way", what were you referring to when you said that?.. but never the less, im not trying to "WIN" anyone over.. i dont even like the word "convert".. i tend to use, if you show them the truth and there minds are filled with ignorance and stupid cells, they'll fully believe and know Jesus existed, died and resurrected!.. because unfortunately to them 75% of scholars, and nearly every historian who does the slightest
USE YOUTUBE TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL: God came to the earth as Jesus Christ to live a sinless life worthy of being able to defeat death and paying our price as a sacrifice for all the sins each and every one of us has committed against a just and holy God. He suffered the punishment/wrath of God for all of the worlds sin while he hung on the cross. Place your trust and faith in him. Believe in him and repent of your sins. Once you are truly saved, you become a new creation
this guy Ray Comfort has a few screws loose. I wonder if he's had an seizures...seriously. Ray is definitely sincere and he's so convinced of his delusions ...that he's out there trying to safe lives. He's like a St. Paul except this is the 21 century and we know about germs, that the earth revolves around the Sun, the world is not flat, etc (stop me) evolution..we have found fossils, weather and we have Goggle.
Sure. Read the ten commandments at the end of Exodus chapter 20. But don't stop there. Read chapter 21 and you'll find that Ray and all Judeo-Christians worship a god of slavery.
This is the exact kind of thinking that causes wars. Little mustache man, just because you believe something doesn't make it true, and forcing that on other people is ridiculous. He's calling that man an idiot for not having the same beliefs he does. Brainwashing? The point is, stop acting holier than thou and let ppl have their own minds. Oh, and sometimes a flock of seagulls is just a bunch of dirty birds looking for garbage.
Christians present the gospel; we do not threaten to chop off your head if you do not accept it. [(the inquisition was catholic not Christian, and Crusades were political and against the Moors for territory and trade routes not religion) common arguments against my statement]. He did not call the man an idiot, it was a fool for not seeing God's creation, he in fact called him smart for staying. A flock of any birds are magnificent and testify to God's glory.
@apathy7170 True: Christians in general do not threaten to chop off our heads if we don't accept their religion. Instead, they threaten the worst possible torture: burning in hell forever. Your compassionate lord Jesus promises it in Matt25.
BTW, the catholic church IS christian. It was the largest christian church in the world during the inquisition, and remains so today with one billion adherents. Catholic? Protestant? Orthodox? Fools all.
Catholic is Roman Catholic and is not Christian. They are Roman Catholic. Catholic as a term means "universal" but Roman Catholic is its own entitiy and has 4 out of 5 qualities of a cult and is not biblically Christian except for keeping the deity of Christ. The inquisition was not Christian. And yes, Jesus does promise Hades and then Hell. That should frighten people to a point where nothing else matters. It is the only thing that matters, not this life but the next.
@apathy7170 Save your fundamentalist christian bullshit for other fundamentalist bullshitters like Ray. The rcc IS, by definition, a christian religion. To claim it's not is a case of sour grapes that all little protestants and protestant sects claim. Fact is, all religious have their heads up their asses by advocating belief, which is acceptance of a myth story without any proof whatsoever. You may fool yourself and others with your lies, but you will never fool me.
You do not know the RCC very well, it is not Christian, you as a secularists should probably not tell a theists what is what in denominational doctirines. Btw, I am not trying to fool you, you have fooled yourself already, I offered truth and you accept a fallacious and obvious lie...that is your choice. But do not claim to understand the intricacies of denominations. I will agree that religions are man based and can be very unbiblical and worldly.
@apathy7170 Only an idiot would say I don't know the RCC very well. I was raised RCC, was educated in RRC schools and was steeped in it's doctrines and those of its protestant competitors! You lie: you ARE trying to fool me into believing a myth story, as is Ray, by threat of eternal torture so severe it makes Hitler look like a saint. Neither you or Ray offer truth, apathy, and I reject your claims utterly.
You prove me correct by your lack of knowledge of roman catholicism, I do not have to ask if you know it, if you did you would understand it failings. You do not care about religion and attendance does not an expert make. Scholarly study is required and in the area of the RCC and evolution your presuppositions have set your worldview and the truth is not allowed to have any part in your reasoning processes. We do u defend about the RCC or ne religions neway? they r foolish to u.
@apathy7170 Once again your are wrong wrong wrong. To make matters worse you accuse me of all your own mistakes. Stop projecting your crap on me and accept the facts: you have chosen to believe a myth story about a god. I have not. You are a man of faith. I am not. You accept a god myth without any proof or evidence. I do not. That is our difference.
U seem to not understand that a faith in no faith is faith. It is not difficult to grasp. You seem to shun reason and logic and just claim..."I believe nothing" well then that is your belief...nothing. Which is not only illogical, but untrue...because no one believes in nothing even if that is what they claim. We all have truths that r written on our "hearts" (conscience) whether we admit to them or not, denying them does not make it untrue...it just makes us less reasonable.
@apathy7170 "A faith in no faith is faith?" Again you put words in my mouth. I HAVE NO FAITH IN ANYTHING. I BELIEVE IN NOTHING. It's not required anymore.
You need a refresher in English grammar. The statement "I have no faith" does not mean the same as "I have faith in nothing."
I'm so glad you bring up conscience. Con (with) science (to know). No faith or belief is required to have conscience. To know something requires evidence and proof.
My points are not rhetorical, they are points. What does the term "I have no faith" mean? And yes a 5th grade english student knows the breakdown of conscience (it is a memorization tool). If no faith is required where did we get a conscience and is it subjective or objective, absolute or relative? If subjective, then define right. If objective define wrong.
@apathy7170 Liar. You're trying to win an argument rhetorically by twisting my words and not answering my question. So I ask it again: how/why do you think the sentence "I don't believe in anything" is the same as "I believe in nothing"?
Why can't you accept that your are a man of faith and I am not?
@apathy7170 They are not the same statement. Okay. Basic English lesson. Break the sentence down. To say "I don't believe..." does not mean the same as "I believe..." Get it?
O.K. you've resorted to angry ramblings without sense or coherence. Have a nice evening. I will pray for you even if you do not believe any one will be listening. It was nice speaking with you.
@apathy7170 I did not change my answer. "I don't believe in anything" does NOT have the same meaning as "I believe in nothing." What's wrong with you that you don't understand simple English?
@longlakeshore That's odd, you are saying the just because you use the term in the negative in the former and I use the same statement in the positive in the latter that it is not the same statement. I do believe you need a grammar lesson.
@apathy7170 The fact remains that I wrote "I don't believe in anything" and you replied with "belief in nothing is belief that nothing is." Those two sentences are not equivalent. They do not mean the same thing. They will never mean the same thing no matter how much you want them to. Oh, I get it: you BELIEVE they mean the same thing, which allows you to ignore logic and say whatever you want. Same way lies of myth stories were created.
@apathy7170 Wrong. NO ONE should ever be frightened by made-up myth stories like heaven and hell. NO ONE should ever be frightened by fiction. NO ONE should ever be frightened by a lie. On the contrary, everyone should be afraid of those who perpetrate such lies, fictions and made-up stories under the guise of love and concern. It's precisely because little children are smart enough to see thru the lie that you threaten eternal torture to brainwash and control people from early childhood.
Thanks for the history lesson but you mistake my meaning. I'm not saying that Christians cause wars. I'm saying that when people have a differing of opinion on something and someone tries to force it on another, that is what causes wars. And I'm not saying that man is any real jem; I mean he has hate tattooed on his arm. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Little mustache man called him smart for staying because he thinks he can force his ideals on this man and save him from
A paradigm shift in ones philosophy of life cannot be forced on anyone. That is why it is so amazing to see a Christian, they are a new person, that cannot be done by someones own will. They can try to be nicer or drink less, but it is an effort. A Christian is totally new and different, if you have ever had a sinning friend who found Jesus you can attest to the truth of the claim. That is why God uses the foolish of this world to confound the wise...foolish refers to humbled.
understand can be explained because God did it. That's not a very good way to go about things in my opinion. What I also infer from your comment is that anybody who has a differing opinion (that is not Christian) is a fool sent so the wise (Christians) may convert them. This is my point. I personally believe in God, but I do accept that others have differing opinions. And sometimes I have doubt myself on whether he exists. I respect that you have your beliefs and I have mine.
I do not believe that you understood what I was saying. The world looks at Christians as foolish & consider themselves to be wise. Christians realize that they were foolish when they believed the world and have humbled themselves b4 Jesus. Jesus thru the Holy Spirit then imbues them with wisdom thru the Word and Spirit that only someone who realizes themselves as not wise can understand. Strange huh? God's ways confound the wise, they r not our ways, humans would do it differently.
the burning fires of hell. And a flock of birds are the result of an progression of evolution that was the result of birds being more successful traveling in groups. It makes it easier to fly greater distances. They have intentions of finding food, having sex, and finding more food to survive. God did not send them anywhere.
Are birds altruistic? How is competing for food supplies and mates survival of the fittest. Why would the birds care to fly to farther places? If non directed, they would go to a better place and stop and it would not pass down to the next generation. Lamarckism is false & nonviable. Birds are born knowing where to fly, that is not evolutionary it is preprogrammed. How is it that birds have magnetite as a compass, evolution cannot explain much of birds character traits.
Okay, I'm obviously never going to get you to understand what I mean. That's not Lamarckism, although he was on the right track and got a few things right. That's straight Darwinism. How is competing for food and mates not survival of the fittest? Those organisms who are successful pass their DNA on to the next generation. It is evolution that birds know where to fly. Even humans are still evolving. But that is beside the point. And all you're saying is that things that we do not
I would argue that Lamarck got nothing correct or was anywhere near the right track, but whatever. But as Blythe (inventor of natural selection) pointed out, any mutations in the gene code are weeded out for survival purposes; stasis. Mutations would and should selected out, as nature does today, that is what we see. Adapting to environments is not evolution, they say it is, but it is not. It is using its current gene code and adapting, no new information, doesn't happen.
I would argue that you got nothing correct or was anywhere near the right track, but I'm not going to force my opinions on you. I do not look at Christians as foolish. Not all Christians attempt to use "big" complicated words to make them seem more intelligent than they actually are. I understand exactly what you are saying. I just happen not to agree with what you are saying. So condemn me to hell. You do realize that when you say Christians realize they are not wise, you are
If big words are too much for you I cannot help that, I only use the words that are required to make my point, be they big or small. You do not understand that as Christians we do not rely on our own understanding but we rely on God's. That is what is meant by not being wise in our own minds. It does not mean that we are not intelligent. I didn't use big words before and was trying to clarify, not confuse.
Big words are not too much for me. There's something called a dictionary that I can use if required. You learn something new everyday. I do understand exactly what your views are and I know I don't need to tell you that your are entitled to it. No confusion. So chill out and enjoy life. You have your faith, you have your God, so stop trying to educate me when I know what I believe in and I have my God. Goodnight and have a nice life hun. Sorry you were unsuccessful in enlightening me
calling everyone else basically an idiot who only thinks they know what their beliefs are? Nah, I don't actually mean what I say because I guess I have a misguided view of the world and need to be enlightened. Hm, that doesn't sound very Christian of you. To insult every single non-Christian in the world? Kudos to you hun. I'm not even going to comment on where you get your information on evolution because its obviously from a site called wikipedia. Not everything there is true.
Wikipedia?...I spent more years than I care to consider in universities studying evolution to put plaques on my walls. If you get your knowledge from wikipedia do not shift such remedial research to my name, it is false. The rest of your statement is unclear and spotty, what are you trying to say exactly?
He does have the "guts" and He does not face us...we will face Him. It will be a day of happiness for some and the most frightening day of all eternity for others. You say that He will not face his children, are you one of His children? Do you understand what that means and what you must do to call yourself one of His children? Just being human does not make you one of His...but it is available to you...the price has been paid & the gift offered to all who diligently seek it.
@apathy7170: Yahweh is not anymore valid than the next god. If there is one, true god as you say, it is obviously inadequate to make itself clearly understood and known to Earth's population. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much confusion in the world and we wouldn't be arguing. While Jesus Christ may strike you as the Word and the Life, it may strike say your average Sunni as an reactionary, polytheistic bastardization of Judaism. Tell me, if it's so cut and dry, why the misunderstanding?
If God made Himself known, many would still deny Him. Jesus did miracles and the majority wanted either more miracles or to enjoy them with no commitment. The Bible is historically and prophetically accurate. People have a true relationship with Him, that is unique to Judeo-Christianity. Take the angels, they saw God's glory & majesty & many still rejected Him, for them there is no redemption. We see only a fraction of His glory that is why we are offered grace; for a season.
God acknowledges the existance of slavery, but never enocurages it. In fact, When Moses revealed the commandments to the israelites, He was talking to slaves that He had just freed.
@SocialMisfit9 Excuse me?! Quote me one verse from Exodus or Leviticus where god discourages slavery! By giving Moses slavery in his sacred law, your god officially sanctioned slavery, which encouraged it!
One of the stupidest stories in the bible is the exodus from Egyptian slavery AFTER WHICH Moses receives sacred law sanctioning slavery among the people he just liberated! Read all the rest of the bible and no one speaks a word against slavery, not even Jesus.
You do not understand what Jesus was saying. He was saying that you must put Christ first in you life. He did not want you to "hate" anyone, but He was discussing what is in your heart and what your priorities are...that is easy to understand unless you just want to pick a verse and be angry about it without really even trying to understand it. If that is the case then you were successful.
You can interpret any verse you want to mean anything you want. That's the beauty of the bible. Anything negative isn't "really" negative, but just a metaphor. There's whole passages about stoning and whatnot which are just as ridiculous. I read it this summer and wasn't impressed. Given some parts were better than others. First chapters are purely lineage and people living to be 900 and whatever, not very enlightening. Of course there's good messages but they're watered down.
That is not the case, you read the bible contextually. Just like you would with any good literature. Parts are literal, some allegorical, etc. but the context defines what the writer means and how it is to be understood.
Do I really have to remind the christians here (@leahtenny and @KeithUnderneath) that slavery is the word of your god, given to Moses? And that your same god said it was okay for masters to kill their slaves and sleep with their female slaves? When you finish reading the ten commandments at the end of Exodus chap 20, read chapter 21, which is your "god"s law on slavery. Every state in the antebellum south quoted this law to justify slavery under law until Lincoln put an end to it.
Slavery is discussed as a reality, it is not endorsed. And Exodus 20 is about working for freedom for slaves and the owners responsibility to give them and their wife's freedom. Nothing to do with killing slaves or others for that matter. The reality of slavery was dealt with, many things occur that God does not approve of or desire for us, but we do them anyway. Divorce is another example of that which God discusses, it is not His desire but it is committed by man...not God.
@apathy7170 Wrong. Slavery is NOT "discussed as a reality" or rationalized in Exodus. By giving slavery in law thru Moses, your so-called god endorsed slavery AFTER the exodus from Egypt and NEVER retracted/repealed the law. Throughout the long history of the judeo-christian canon from Exodus to Revelation, THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS SLAVERY IS BAD, WRONG, IMMORAL OR UNETHICAL! Not one of the prophets, not Jesus, not any of his disciples or St Paul. You worship a god of slavery.
Wow Ray you are the biggest fucking idiot out there, the only people you convert into religious are fucking idiots. Unfortunately for you, you also convert intelligent people into Atheists. And pre-existing Atheists that listen to you only have their rejections of Christianity further strengthened.
Wow! I do not believe that I have heard someone's Pride and Self Righteousness screaming out over reason in such a very long time. I guess that I must forget how evil pride really is, and how it clouds a person to reason and puts rebellion in their hearts and minds. Out of the heart the mouth speaks...and yours is self righteous indignant pride...do you hear it? listen...there it is...it's screaming at me now!
@apathy7170 - Lol this is what I always find funny about theists when they reply to atheists. They always communicate to the atheist like a preacher does to his sheep at church. Like every other theistic retard that types his comments in ‘preacher format’, it’s important to note that you don’t need to post an epistemology that detailed in your comment lmao. I don’t plan on converting to your faith anytime soon.
@KeithUnderneath What?! thats like saying "God bless murder." He can't bless murder. all though history whenever we wanted to justify killing we said they "were not human" Hitler did it to the jews, american's did it to blacks during slavery and NOW we do it to the unborn. LORD JESUS! PLEASE FORGIVE US! SHOW US THE RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN! AND LOVE THE WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED SO DEEP! SHOW THEM THAT IF THEY JUST LOOK TO JESUS HE CAN FORGIVE AND TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR SINS!
THAT IS SOOO AWESOME....RAY CONTINUE ALLOWING GOD USE YOU IN A MIGHTY WAY TO BE THAT WILLING VESSEL. THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT FOR POURING OVER THOSE WHO WANTS TO SEEK YOU AND TO KNOW YOU
@graffix87 The young man, Brian, is far more open to Ray than Ray is towards him. Brian listens and lets Ray have his say, but Ray interrupts and cuts Brian off repeatedly, often by shouting, Brian isn't the stubborn one, Ray is. It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant and close-minded fundamentalists of any religion are, or how set they are in their ways.
@longlakeshore All religion is is mans way of reaching God. What we need is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Your right in that people set in religion are set in there ways, and it seems most athiests are set in there ways as well. But religion does not get us to God. Its by Jesus' sacrafice for us that we are forgiven and come into relationship with a holy God.
@graffix87 Salvation thru Christ/god is your opinion, graffix. Atheism is a contrary opinion. I subscribe to neither. As a scientist, I await extraordinary proof for the extraordinary claim for the existence of a deity or deities. Until then I can only say that I don't know.
As a scientist you do see the extraordinary everyday, just look and you will see it. It is in the smallest atom and the grandest universe. That is how He speaks with us today, and His word. Listen to what you observe in science is saying...I know from a scientific standpoint that it is awesome.
@apathy7170 As a scientist, I don't let grand feelings generated by the aesthetics of the universe to cloud rational thought and judgment. To do so almost always leads to poor/incorrect conclusions and bad science. From a scientific standpoint, you do NOT know whether anything is "awesome" or that your god exists. To claim any god is real is an extraordinary claim, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you have none.
Aw, but I do and you do too. The world and universe that we live in is proof, If you do not wish to see it, or if you deny its' truth that is your decision. But, it is in all that we see, there is no denying it. At least not for a rational thinking person.
@apathy7170 Wrong again. The existence of the universe is proof of nothing except that the universe exists! To say a god created it is a myth story, a belief. By definition, faith/belief require no proof whatsoever.
@apathy7170 I don't believe in anything, let alone gods and their myth stories. I don't deny the existence of the universe. The truth is this: a rational thinking human being CANNOT accept the existence of a god except by belief. By definition, belief requires acceptance without any proof whatsoever. YOU are the irrational one, apathy, allowing your feelings to cloud reason.
Evolutionary anthropologists have discovered 2 unifying factors in all humans, from the urban dweller to the remote villager. 1.The believe in the continuation of self (soul) 2. The believe in a higher power (creator). Anthropologists do not like these 2 steadfast human character traits & cannot explain them away. U claim to believe in nothing, that is statistically improbable but it is in line with a rebellious and prideful heart. Bingo! there it is...found it.
@apathy7170 Really? Your evolutionary anthropologists never interviewed me. I don't believe in anything, least of all your pathetic list. Faith isn't required to live in the world anymore and YOU know it. Rational individuals (which you claim to be) accept they don't know everything without making up myth stories to explain the unknown. My heart pumps blood. It is not possible for it to be rebellious and prideful as you claim. You are not a rational man. You are a myth man.
It takes this surf kid 30 seconds to shut Ray down. "You can go find who built the building." Ray: "No you can't" Wow, that was some comback Ray! Then he says, "What if the builder died?" It's not about alive or dead.... there are city records within a couple miles of where they're standing that will tell you exactly who built that building... and you can look at the blueprints. "You can go find who built the buildings." "No you can't" AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
FyodorMDostoyevsky 17 hours ago
yea i got so much out of what your open air preaching Ray Comfort i am blessed to see such grate mighty men of God Holy Spirit Jesus Christ to have so much boldness i am an open air preacher myself and i believe as a Born again child of God holy Spirit Jesus Christ we need to do? more of open air preaching keep up the grate work God Bless u always Amen
Dale65378 3 months ago
Ray did a great job there. I love how he doesn't condemn people and gives them respect. He just challenges to them to think for themselves and go home and think about it. He acknowledges a God-given conscience is more powerful than trying to condemn others.
LettheNationsBeGlad 3 months ago
Shame on all those that judge a brother in faith. God bless those that put their faith in action and go hunt out there. Cause it is not about doing it in a specific way, the holly spirit does the work, it just need to be done through someone redy to step forward and work for the LOrd.
Carlodimaximus 4 months ago
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I'm 15 and could refute everything Ray said.
ErwinERommel 4 months ago
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ErwinERommel 4 months ago
This is a fantastic example of how loud ignorance can never really lose in an argument.
Underscore1415 4 months ago
This chap's dislike of evolution clearly isn't based in a detailed or even basic understanding of it. These people don't have access to special knowledge, the just want to sound authoritative without having to go through the nause of learning, in the hope that other idiots will think him clever.
dazzletag 4 months ago
LOL I love this guy's apathetic indifference.
redcommander27 5 months ago
It takes some serious idiocy to lose to ray comfort
3200manpro 6 months ago
So awesome...
oNallieGirl 7 months ago
This is the most simple minded argument for the universes existence possible
john34841 7 months ago
I love the way Ray Comfort approaches all discussions with Atheists as if he is trying to close a sale. Ray follows his ABC's quite well: "Always Be Closing."
jaynkay100 8 months ago in playlist Open Air
He shure can talk, now only if he had a brain...
MsNerezzaMr 8 months ago
"I DONT HAVE A MICROPHONE BECAUSE GOD DIDINT CREATE ONE FOR ME THEREFORE HE WANTS ME TO SCREEM OUT AS LOUD AS I CAN!!!!!"
Mathbones 8 months ago
*facepalm* pelicans flying by? doesn't he see where superstition arises..
Macham88 9 months ago
Best selling book of all time..... that only 10% of Christians who own one have read through. Making it the most sold but least read book of all time!
CtheWolfe 9 months ago 4
@CtheWolfe have you read it? just curious
only4him330 6 months ago
@only4him330 Yessir. Being an atheist, I find the bible an amazing reference for arguments with Christians. There is so much that Christians have no idea about in their belief system and they just go on not even thinking about it. I mean if you believed this stuff was true, would you then not be as well versed as possible if you were betting an eternity of happiness on the next 70-90 years of your human life? I would want to know exactly the proper way to do it. Apparently stoning is a good strt
CtheWolfe 6 months ago
@CtheWolfe Wow ur actually sounding just like Ray didnt know Atheists could that. I think its narrowminded of you to generalize all Christians like that. I am a christian but there are many ways of practicing a religion. I follow science, but I still have my faith. The bible is just a good book with some funny lines and a few morales - I dont get why some ppl think ALL christians are like Ray. We are all different, and see things differently. It would be like saying all females like pink.
Lohfert 4 months ago
@Lohfert The bible says the sun moves around the earth.... and you claim to be a man of science? You claim its a good book yet it has countless commands to stone people that should be upheld even within the New Testament... clearly you have not read Matthew 5. You are just another Christian who has not actually red the book for themselves without wishing certain parts to be true and others false. Ecclesiastes is where it speaks of the sun moving around the earth just fyi. Go read that section.
CtheWolfe 4 months ago
@CtheWolfe I never claimed that the bible was entirely true. I just said I think its a good book. A lot of good novels have horrific passages in them, it all adds to the excitement. It seems you are convinced that a christian according to you would follow ALL the bible says and believe ALL in it. Well if that is ur statement I am not a christian. I do however claim to be, because my definition is different, I have read the bible I just interpret it differently.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert The bible is by no means an interesting read. It is very dry, very archaic. To compare it to a literary novel is like comparing a kids scribble to a comic book. The truth is the negative moral actions of the god in the bible far outweigh the positive ones. Literally gods #1 interaction with people in the bible is killing them. His 2nd is commanding people to kill other people and finally actually just talking to people. Clearly its a great source for... um bloodshed?
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe that depends on what kinda books u like. I actually enjoyed it. In any case I never said the good morals overweighed. u rlly respond to things u dont read oO weird. I will have to repeat myself: SOME funny lines and a FEW good morales.. And it might have bloodshed but so does Dracula, 1984 has torture, doesnt mean they arent good books. My point was not to argue opinions about the bible, but to argue that its not ALL christians that are like u say. Clearly I am talking to a wall here.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert But comparing fiction books or even history books to something that people feel they derive their moral sense from is a little different you know? Yes Dracula is bloody, but it was meant to be that was as a work of fiction. The bible is held as gods literal word for so many people world wide. I guess the way I look at it is while some may dismiss it that way for many it bears more significance thus cannot be held against a work of fiction to an actual believer. If that makes sense.
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe So ur basically saying that if one does not believe that the bible is God's direct words one is not a true believer? Fair 'nough I doubt that the majority of the world sees it that way tho. I met loads of christians and most of them KNOW for a fact that the bible is human words, an interpretation of Gods inspiration in them - that is why u cannot follow it to a direct point and u can only say it is a good book. And yes, fiction also gives us morales, teachings and beliefs.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert "Fair 'nough I doubt that the majority of the world sees it that way tho." But really if you think about it, how else do you know god? I mean the reason Jesus is divine is because it was prophesied that he would be born. If you do not take the words of the bible literally there is no reason to assume Jesus was the son of god. I agree that many do use the bible the way you describe, but isn't that like making up your own concept of this god? Ignoring what you wish and embracing others?
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe Basically yes, but is it wrong to create ur own concept of God? Isnt that actually what everyone does nomatter the religion. Noone has identical views of a religion. On the other hand, Jesus is not only divine because his birth was prophesised, the prophecy says a son of David, but it is Joseph who carries the line of David not Maria, technically Jesus could not be the son of David the bible Claims. The divinity is in the sacrifice and love for humanity not because of the prophecy.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert "Basically yes, but is it wrong to create ur own concept of God?" There is nothing wrong with exploring spirituality or anything. But what is the point of making your own god? I mean isn't that just like having an invisible friend? Yes it may be comforting to think of things a certain way but what is the point if its not true? I mean yes a sacrifice for a "noble" cause is heroic and moving but for something that is not real? Like at some point we break it to children fantasy is not real
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@Lohfert Have you ever noticed how religious people who claim to know and earnestly believe fear death immensely seem to fear death the most? Like the thought comforts them when others pass away, knowing they went somewhere better, but do they really believe that if they become so fearful? If you honestly knew and truly believed in a better place after death, would you not welcome it? It would be something to celebrate and embrace. Not mourn and fear. Right?
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe Err ur tlly changing subject.. but no.. fear is the human part of us. U can believe and still fear. Its the same thing as if ur afraid to lose ur GF, even though, you firmly trust her an believe that it will not happen. It doesnt make u a nonbeliever just because you have doubt. Doubt is the challenge of every believer, it is here you must question and strengthen ur faith. Some ppl fear the pain of death or the ppl they leave behind. Just because u doubt doesnt mean u arent christian.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert I sort of see it as the same thing. Children enjoy and are enthralled, comforted and work issues out through their fantasies many times. Talking to imaginary friends might allow you to work a problem out or vent thus making you feel better, but to hold on to something fake for the sake of feeling better is well a fruitless venture in my eyes. Its not a real fix. Its more like a comfort blanket. Truth is liberating. It allows you to really move on and change. Acceptance I guess.
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe How can u presume that what I beleive and what comforts me is not truth in my eyes? If it is true to me, yes, call me blind, but does it not have the exact same effect as the truth has to u? Might be that ppl blind themselves, but who are you to say what is true and what is not? Truth can never ever be objective, because humans are not objective beings. If religion helps ppl getting through live and overcome obstacles easier, I do not see why ppl find it so distasteful.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert The truth is the truth. There is only one truth. I mean some children really believe their imaginary friends are real, but does that mean they are? No. My point is there is a plethora of ways to live and gain everything good religion has to offer without believing in the nonsense of it. Which in a sense is half of what you have done, but you hang onto the concepts of the god and Jesus for some reason.
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe So? how does that in any way concern you? Who are you to tell ppl what they should beleive? If I want to believe in the spaghetti monster then I do. I believe in Jesus and God for personal reasons, it is none of ur business really, since religion is very intimate. "The truth is the truth. There is only one truth."? You are a human u are too subjective to be able to see truth without a certain perspective. Secondly there is always too sites to a point. example: +2²=4 and (-2)²=4
Lohfert 3 months ago
@Lohfert No I don't think you understand what I am saying. Either the god exists or the god does not. That is the truth. I never said you could not believe what ever you wanted, I expressed myself in saying that the truth for me at least has bearing in whether I believe in something. I would not believe in things if it was not true they existed. Using a mathematical equation to get the same figure is not the same as that in which we are speaking.
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe Well then I suggest you express yourself more clearly. I believe in God. That is the truth for me. I believe in Jesus no not because I live in a Christian country, cuz I dont. I believe in Jesus because I feel my soul drawn by his teachings and his spirit. I dont think you will be able to have any reasonable discussion with a believer if you deny all reasonable believers merely because you want them to follow every biblical word. It seems you are seeing the world as white/black.
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert "That is the truth for me." This is where you are confused. Truth is true for everyone. We are speaking of things that exist and the way things are. Not subjective feelings or anything of that sort. If I felt leprechauns were real and that was the truth for me, that does not mean they are real. Understand what I mean by truth in relation to existence?
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@CtheWolfe I am not at all confused, merely open. REligion isnt about knowing God exists. U cannot know that. It is about believing. The whole concept of faith rests solely on subjective emotions. I see why you might have misunderstood believers. you demand they follow their faith as a fact, an objective truth. But u cant. Why else would I for.ex. follow science. I KNOW science as a fact, but I BELIEVE in God. That is the subjective part. U chave misunderstood the concept of religion.
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert I think you forget how many people say they have a personal relationship with their god. You cannot have a relationship with something that is not real. I mean to that extent they would say they know their god is real. But outside that belief in anything that has no evidence or real credibility is pointless.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@CtheWolfe It's perfectly possible, can you not have a relationship to your favourite book char? I will state my previous notion: You dont get the concept of religion, therefore it would be futile for you to argue with any believers. You are absolutely wrong when you say we have to found our faith on facts. Nothing is fact, nothing is objective truth. Every scientist knows that. THey never state anything 100% true. You would have to expect that what you perceive is true, which u cannot prove.
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert "It's perfectly possible, can you not have a relationship to your favourite book char?" No. You can have thoughts about them. You can have feelings for them etc. But this does not mean it is a relationship. This is just personal feeling and thought nothing more. A relationship involves two sentient beings having feeling for each other. If one being fabricates the other that is just fantasy, even if the feeling is genuine towards the fabricated being. Its not real.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@Lohfert And as I have said if you believe in things for personal reasons just because that does not make them true. I mean you are picking and choosing what your religion is essentially by ignoring what you want, and focusing on what you want. This is not the way someone should be doing it if they truly believe in said god. You should be following it to the number of what it really is. And presumably the only reason you believe in Jesus is because you live in a Christian nation.
CtheWolfe 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe So basically you are saying: Be a fundamentalist or dont be religious at all. Thats basically bullshit. You cant tell ppl they arent religious or faithful if they dont follow the religion to every point, thats like saying if u cant paint the most beautiful paintings in the world, then you arent a painter. If anything you are the most radical and fundamental atheist I have ever encounted, you work with absolutes, wich makes it impossible for any reasonable believer to argue with you.
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert "If anything you are the most radical and fundamental atheist I have ever encounted" Because I do not believe in making up your own special version of Christianity? Really? How does that make me radical or fundamental? You have essentially made your own religion for yourself.... now how can that possibly be the truth. Really? If Christianity is true your own select one cannot be the true one can it?
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@CtheWolfe U are radical and fundamental, cuz u demand that for people to be believers they HAVE to follow their scriptures 100%. Which is impossible and insane. Plus u've absolutely no concept of religion nor science when u state that there is a truth. You cannot prove anything 100% go ask the first professor u meet. Religion is not about one fundamental or objective truth, its about one subjective truth and belief. You dont seem to be able to perceive that concept.
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert "Plus u've absolutely no concept of religion nor science when u state that there is a truth." There is known fact about the reality of the universe. Yes something could overthrow this a new "truth" or piece of evidence could change a theory, but there are some that are fact and it is so astronomically improbable that they would be over thrown. If scriptures were not there to describe and dictate for the religion what would the religion be? What would differentiate religions from anothe
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@Lohfert I believe I have a better grasp on science and religion than you think. I understand fully with what you are saying, don't think that I don't. But those scriptures exist specifically for the concept of a god you say you believe in. They are supposed to be the words and guidelines set forth by the god you claim you believe in. Yet you ignore them and decide yourself what the religion should be. You do not follow the religion you claim, you have created your own version.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@CtheWolfe Again ure wrong. The bible is written by man not one word is put down directly by God, all christians should know this. As you say guidelines! Not every single word in the bible is law. I follow it as well as I can. Anyway I still dont believe ure able to wrap ur mind around neither religion nor science. I therefore think it futile to try and convince you of the concepts as most ppl perceive them. But that's prob why u've had so many conflicts with believers. U dont get it. Toodles xD
Lohfert 2 months ago
@Lohfert If the bible is just writings of men and God had nothing to do with it why try to follow it at all? And I bet within that you cherry pick what you would like to follow. You are still picking and choosing what it is that you wish to believe. I cannot believe you do not see this.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@Lohfert I know how you perceive religion. I am just being stubborn to make you see what you are really doing and why it is "technically" wrong. I have not even expressed anything about any scientific theory on here yet, so to say "You do not understand science." is a poor attempt to defame my intellect so you can feel better about tucking tail. Because you do realise I hope what it is I am saying. You are making and following your own version of Christianity.
CtheWolfe 2 months ago
@Lohfert I am no where near like sounding like Ray. I actually know the otherside.. I am going to presume I know the tenets of Christianity better than you do. "The bible is just a good book with some funny lines and a few morales" like Luke 19:27 right? "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." - Jesus Christ.... Yeah good lines.... good morals.... if you are a psychopath that is!
CtheWolfe 4 months ago
@CtheWolfe I said SOME funny lines and a FEW good morales.. U really generalize a lot. And that is what I think sound so familiar and make u sound like Ray.
And yeah u probably know Christianity better than me.. but u dont believe in it, I do, so what is ur point that a Christian is defined by believing in ALL the bible says? In that case then no, I am not a christian, I follow most of what Jesus preached. All define their religion differently even if they are part of the same community.
Lohfert 3 months ago
@CtheWolfe I don't know. I can't think of anyone who has actually read the Scarlet Letter! That book is sooooooo dang boring! LOL
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alexandrugriorescu 9 months ago
AWESOME VIDEO!
latinqueen4l1f3 10 months ago
This Comfort guy is a mental case
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
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See Christian biophysicist Dr Francis Collins video "The Language of God" here on youtube. He talks about how idiots like this are making Christians look ridiculous by denying evolution. He explains how evolution happens and how it is undeniable. Only the dumbest of the dumb deny that evolution is fact.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
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Have things that or you believe or you don't.
It is that simple...
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friedie1jeff 1 year ago
Ray doesn't understand Atheism at all. He uses the argument that the Universe needs a creator by definition. This Creator is eternal and all powerful and has no beginning or end.
Listen to an atheist when he talks about the universe. The Universe is eternal, contains all matter and energy (all powerful) and has no beginning or end. Ergo, to the intellectual atheist (not merely someone hurt by organized religion) the Universe = "God."
btw...eight birds,not seven...still a sign?
VforVideo 1 year ago 3
@VforVideo
thats kinda funny, and unfortunately your not aware of it, caz the embarrassing flaw in your comment, is that 90% of scientists including hawking.. not only believe but are 100% sure the universe isn't eternal and did have a beginning! and so if everything that has a beginning has a cause, the universe must have a cause.. if the universe has a cause, then there must have been a designer for this cause!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt I would encourage you to read a book by Hawking that isn't 20 years old. Regardless, you will never win anyone to Jesus this way. It's not like selling a vacuum cleaner or a sham wow. It won't work to insult people's intelligence, or deny science, or shout in showy platitudes.
And again, if you're going to argue against a worldview (Atheism in this case), it's best if you understand it. Mr. Comfort clearly does not.
VforVideo 1 year ago 9
@VforVideo
lol you no nothing about me.. please dont assume things, not for my sake, but for yours!
and also, i have very good reasons and valid points to why i insult peoples intelligence lol.. even though i really shouldn't be calling people stupid, they say just the right words to put there name in that category, i dont even have to mention it! and i really dont know where you were going with when you said "read a book by hawking that isn't 20 years old".. what were you trying to say
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt
"The Grand Design" by Hawking (It was released this September). Google It.
I'm not an Atheist, but the Bible calls us to love people, not insult them. People deny God because of pride and sin, not because of their intelligence (or assumed lack thereof).
VforVideo 1 year ago
@VforVideo
ok, i will.. and your right my friend, believe me i no that.. but the Bible also says "the fools will neglect me and turn away".. and your right, pride has a lot to do with there rejection towards a deity!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@VforVideo The bible also calls us to rape, torture, murder, war, capital punishment, sodomy, incest and slavery. People deny the god-myth of your bible because the book is rife with contradictions and, like every myth, is a made-up story. A fiction. A lie. Pride has nothing to do with the facts.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
I agree with the part about it being "rife with contradictions."
As for rape, torture...etc. I will only say that you have to look that the Bible holistically, because what you say is true if you only look at certain parts. Much of the Bible was never meant to be taken literally (parables, visions, etc.).
Sadly, some use the Bible to justify violence and hostility, many more use it to defend their smug, self righteous attitudes (see video). I sincerely apologize for this.
VforVideo 1 year ago
@VforVideo you can't have it both ways - you can't take part of the bible literally and say that the rest isn't made to be taken literally - to do so is hypocritical... not to mention that the whole story is a myth, a fiction, a lie...
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@VforVideo
exactly?.. and when you said "you will never win anyone to Jesus this way", what were you referring to when you said that?.. but never the less, im not trying to "WIN" anyone over.. i dont even like the word "convert".. i tend to use, if you show them the truth and there minds are filled with ignorance and stupid cells, they'll fully believe and know Jesus existed, died and resurrected!.. because unfortunately to them 75% of scholars, and nearly every historian who does the slightest
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@VforVideo
bit of investigation to Jesus's historicity, comes to agreement that he was indeed nailed to a roman cross, pronounced dead, then resurrected!..
if you dont believe on the statistics i gave you, please call me on it lol..
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@VforVideo
hey, i messed up one of my sentences, i originally said " if you show them the truth and there minds are filled"
i meant to say, "if you show them the truth UNLESS there minds are filled"
its in the 2nd comment..
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
he could make a lot more money selling mops on TV....
ab330 1 year ago 2
USE YOUTUBE TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL: God came to the earth as Jesus Christ to live a sinless life worthy of being able to defeat death and paying our price as a sacrifice for all the sins each and every one of us has committed against a just and holy God. He suffered the punishment/wrath of God for all of the worlds sin while he hung on the cross. Place your trust and faith in him. Believe in him and repent of your sins. Once you are truly saved, you become a new creation
Dejavu12321 1 year ago
i like this guys he's good
TheStrawbeery 1 year ago
so sick of the painter builder stuff, surely that's the worst argument ever made
ezelouie 1 year ago
@ezelouie No Joke you are! Athy's can't stand facts like that.
Dejavu12321 1 year ago
@Dejavu12321 facts like what? show me some facts
ezelouie 1 year ago
Ray comfort is full of shit.
Verruckter 1 year ago
@Verruckter nah you lack the wisdom to understand
TheStrawbeery 1 year ago
@TheStrawbeery I think I understand his fallacies better than he does thank you
Verruckter 1 year ago
@Verruckter.No I'm sure it's mostly muscle, skin, and bones.
Dejavu12321 1 year ago
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this guy Ray Comfort has a few screws loose. I wonder if he's had an seizures...seriously. Ray is definitely sincere and he's so convinced of his delusions ...that he's out there trying to safe lives. He's like a St. Paul except this is the 21 century and we know about germs, that the earth revolves around the Sun, the world is not flat, etc (stop me) evolution..we have found fossils, weather and we have Goggle.
tulipsontheorgan 1 year ago
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tulipsontheorgan 1 year ago
Best part = 3:29 to 4:10 This guy was just convinced he was right. HAAA!!! :^)
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stuartr734 1 year ago
Wow, and I wonder... If Ray get's something as small as evolutionary biology wrong, perhaps he's wrong in his theology as well :D
zeppelin8 1 year ago 9
Sure. Read the ten commandments at the end of Exodus chapter 20. But don't stop there. Read chapter 21 and you'll find that Ray and all Judeo-Christians worship a god of slavery.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Why pray for me when what you need is remedial English?
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
Remedial English? You do not even understand the proper use of the term rhetoric.
apathy7170 1 year ago
This is the exact kind of thinking that causes wars. Little mustache man, just because you believe something doesn't make it true, and forcing that on other people is ridiculous. He's calling that man an idiot for not having the same beliefs he does. Brainwashing? The point is, stop acting holier than thou and let ppl have their own minds. Oh, and sometimes a flock of seagulls is just a bunch of dirty birds looking for garbage.
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
Christians present the gospel; we do not threaten to chop off your head if you do not accept it. [(the inquisition was catholic not Christian, and Crusades were political and against the Moors for territory and trade routes not religion) common arguments against my statement]. He did not call the man an idiot, it was a fool for not seeing God's creation, he in fact called him smart for staying. A flock of any birds are magnificent and testify to God's glory.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 True: Christians in general do not threaten to chop off our heads if we don't accept their religion. Instead, they threaten the worst possible torture: burning in hell forever. Your compassionate lord Jesus promises it in Matt25.
BTW, the catholic church IS christian. It was the largest christian church in the world during the inquisition, and remains so today with one billion adherents. Catholic? Protestant? Orthodox? Fools all.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
Catholic is Roman Catholic and is not Christian. They are Roman Catholic. Catholic as a term means "universal" but Roman Catholic is its own entitiy and has 4 out of 5 qualities of a cult and is not biblically Christian except for keeping the deity of Christ. The inquisition was not Christian. And yes, Jesus does promise Hades and then Hell. That should frighten people to a point where nothing else matters. It is the only thing that matters, not this life but the next.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Save your fundamentalist christian bullshit for other fundamentalist bullshitters like Ray. The rcc IS, by definition, a christian religion. To claim it's not is a case of sour grapes that all little protestants and protestant sects claim. Fact is, all religious have their heads up their asses by advocating belief, which is acceptance of a myth story without any proof whatsoever. You may fool yourself and others with your lies, but you will never fool me.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
You do not know the RCC very well, it is not Christian, you as a secularists should probably not tell a theists what is what in denominational doctirines. Btw, I am not trying to fool you, you have fooled yourself already, I offered truth and you accept a fallacious and obvious lie...that is your choice. But do not claim to understand the intricacies of denominations. I will agree that religions are man based and can be very unbiblical and worldly.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Only an idiot would say I don't know the RCC very well. I was raised RCC, was educated in RRC schools and was steeped in it's doctrines and those of its protestant competitors! You lie: you ARE trying to fool me into believing a myth story, as is Ray, by threat of eternal torture so severe it makes Hitler look like a saint. Neither you or Ray offer truth, apathy, and I reject your claims utterly.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
You prove me correct by your lack of knowledge of roman catholicism, I do not have to ask if you know it, if you did you would understand it failings. You do not care about religion and attendance does not an expert make. Scholarly study is required and in the area of the RCC and evolution your presuppositions have set your worldview and the truth is not allowed to have any part in your reasoning processes. We do u defend about the RCC or ne religions neway? they r foolish to u.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Once again your are wrong wrong wrong. To make matters worse you accuse me of all your own mistakes. Stop projecting your crap on me and accept the facts: you have chosen to believe a myth story about a god. I have not. You are a man of faith. I am not. You accept a god myth without any proof or evidence. I do not. That is our difference.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
U seem to not understand that a faith in no faith is faith. It is not difficult to grasp. You seem to shun reason and logic and just claim..."I believe nothing" well then that is your belief...nothing. Which is not only illogical, but untrue...because no one believes in nothing even if that is what they claim. We all have truths that r written on our "hearts" (conscience) whether we admit to them or not, denying them does not make it untrue...it just makes us less reasonable.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 "A faith in no faith is faith?" Again you put words in my mouth. I HAVE NO FAITH IN ANYTHING. I BELIEVE IN NOTHING. It's not required anymore.
You need a refresher in English grammar. The statement "I have no faith" does not mean the same as "I have faith in nothing."
I'm so glad you bring up conscience. Con (with) science (to know). No faith or belief is required to have conscience. To know something requires evidence and proof.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
My points are not rhetorical, they are points. What does the term "I have no faith" mean? And yes a 5th grade english student knows the breakdown of conscience (it is a memorization tool). If no faith is required where did we get a conscience and is it subjective or objective, absolute or relative? If subjective, then define right. If objective define wrong.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Liar. You're trying to win an argument rhetorically by twisting my words and not answering my question. So I ask it again: how/why do you think the sentence "I don't believe in anything" is the same as "I believe in nothing"?
Why can't you accept that your are a man of faith and I am not?
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
I am not being rhetorical. I am debating in proper form. Your question is moot. They are the same statement.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 They are not the same statement. Okay. Basic English lesson. Break the sentence down. To say "I don't believe..." does not mean the same as "I believe..." Get it?
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
O.K. you've resorted to angry ramblings without sense or coherence. Have a nice evening. I will pray for you even if you do not believe any one will be listening. It was nice speaking with you.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 You are delusional. How is a question about the meaning of two sentences an angry rambling without sense or coherence?
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
This is your statement "@apathy7170 I don't believe in anything, let alone gods and their myth stories. "
I do not believe that I misspoke. You are changing your answer or its definition.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 I did not change my answer. "I don't believe in anything" does NOT have the same meaning as "I believe in nothing." What's wrong with you that you don't understand simple English?
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore That's odd, you are saying the just because you use the term in the negative in the former and I use the same statement in the positive in the latter that it is not the same statement. I do believe you need a grammar lesson.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 The fact remains that I wrote "I don't believe in anything" and you replied with "belief in nothing is belief that nothing is." Those two sentences are not equivalent. They do not mean the same thing. They will never mean the same thing no matter how much you want them to. Oh, I get it: you BELIEVE they mean the same thing, which allows you to ignore logic and say whatever you want. Same way lies of myth stories were created.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Wrong. NO ONE should ever be frightened by made-up myth stories like heaven and hell. NO ONE should ever be frightened by fiction. NO ONE should ever be frightened by a lie. On the contrary, everyone should be afraid of those who perpetrate such lies, fictions and made-up stories under the guise of love and concern. It's precisely because little children are smart enough to see thru the lie that you threaten eternal torture to brainwash and control people from early childhood.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@apathy7170
Thanks for the history lesson but you mistake my meaning. I'm not saying that Christians cause wars. I'm saying that when people have a differing of opinion on something and someone tries to force it on another, that is what causes wars. And I'm not saying that man is any real jem; I mean he has hate tattooed on his arm. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Little mustache man called him smart for staying because he thinks he can force his ideals on this man and save him from
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
A paradigm shift in ones philosophy of life cannot be forced on anyone. That is why it is so amazing to see a Christian, they are a new person, that cannot be done by someones own will. They can try to be nicer or drink less, but it is an effort. A Christian is totally new and different, if you have ever had a sinning friend who found Jesus you can attest to the truth of the claim. That is why God uses the foolish of this world to confound the wise...foolish refers to humbled.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
understand can be explained because God did it. That's not a very good way to go about things in my opinion. What I also infer from your comment is that anybody who has a differing opinion (that is not Christian) is a fool sent so the wise (Christians) may convert them. This is my point. I personally believe in God, but I do accept that others have differing opinions. And sometimes I have doubt myself on whether he exists. I respect that you have your beliefs and I have mine.
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
I do not believe that you understood what I was saying. The world looks at Christians as foolish & consider themselves to be wise. Christians realize that they were foolish when they believed the world and have humbled themselves b4 Jesus. Jesus thru the Holy Spirit then imbues them with wisdom thru the Word and Spirit that only someone who realizes themselves as not wise can understand. Strange huh? God's ways confound the wise, they r not our ways, humans would do it differently.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
the burning fires of hell. And a flock of birds are the result of an progression of evolution that was the result of birds being more successful traveling in groups. It makes it easier to fly greater distances. They have intentions of finding food, having sex, and finding more food to survive. God did not send them anywhere.
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
Are birds altruistic? How is competing for food supplies and mates survival of the fittest. Why would the birds care to fly to farther places? If non directed, they would go to a better place and stop and it would not pass down to the next generation. Lamarckism is false & nonviable. Birds are born knowing where to fly, that is not evolutionary it is preprogrammed. How is it that birds have magnetite as a compass, evolution cannot explain much of birds character traits.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
Okay, I'm obviously never going to get you to understand what I mean. That's not Lamarckism, although he was on the right track and got a few things right. That's straight Darwinism. How is competing for food and mates not survival of the fittest? Those organisms who are successful pass their DNA on to the next generation. It is evolution that birds know where to fly. Even humans are still evolving. But that is beside the point. And all you're saying is that things that we do not
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
I would argue that Lamarck got nothing correct or was anywhere near the right track, but whatever. But as Blythe (inventor of natural selection) pointed out, any mutations in the gene code are weeded out for survival purposes; stasis. Mutations would and should selected out, as nature does today, that is what we see. Adapting to environments is not evolution, they say it is, but it is not. It is using its current gene code and adapting, no new information, doesn't happen.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
I would argue that you got nothing correct or was anywhere near the right track, but I'm not going to force my opinions on you. I do not look at Christians as foolish. Not all Christians attempt to use "big" complicated words to make them seem more intelligent than they actually are. I understand exactly what you are saying. I just happen not to agree with what you are saying. So condemn me to hell. You do realize that when you say Christians realize they are not wise, you are
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
If big words are too much for you I cannot help that, I only use the words that are required to make my point, be they big or small. You do not understand that as Christians we do not rely on our own understanding but we rely on God's. That is what is meant by not being wise in our own minds. It does not mean that we are not intelligent. I didn't use big words before and was trying to clarify, not confuse.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
Big words are not too much for me. There's something called a dictionary that I can use if required. You learn something new everyday. I do understand exactly what your views are and I know I don't need to tell you that your are entitled to it. No confusion. So chill out and enjoy life. You have your faith, you have your God, so stop trying to educate me when I know what I believe in and I have my God. Goodnight and have a nice life hun. Sorry you were unsuccessful in enlightening me
april61718 1 year ago
@apathy7170
calling everyone else basically an idiot who only thinks they know what their beliefs are? Nah, I don't actually mean what I say because I guess I have a misguided view of the world and need to be enlightened. Hm, that doesn't sound very Christian of you. To insult every single non-Christian in the world? Kudos to you hun. I'm not even going to comment on where you get your information on evolution because its obviously from a site called wikipedia. Not everything there is true.
april61718 1 year ago
@april61718
Wikipedia?...I spent more years than I care to consider in universities studying evolution to put plaques on my walls. If you get your knowledge from wikipedia do not shift such remedial research to my name, it is false. The rest of your statement is unclear and spotty, what are you trying to say exactly?
apathy7170 1 year ago
If god exists, he's the ultimate chicken shit. He doesn't even have the courage to come down and face his children.
MicheasTheMighty2 1 year ago
@MicheasTheMighty2
He will sooner than you think? And the whole world will bow before Him.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@MicheasTheMighty2
He does have the "guts" and He does not face us...we will face Him. It will be a day of happiness for some and the most frightening day of all eternity for others. You say that He will not face his children, are you one of His children? Do you understand what that means and what you must do to call yourself one of His children? Just being human does not make you one of His...but it is available to you...the price has been paid & the gift offered to all who diligently seek it.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170: Yahweh is not anymore valid than the next god. If there is one, true god as you say, it is obviously inadequate to make itself clearly understood and known to Earth's population. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much confusion in the world and we wouldn't be arguing. While Jesus Christ may strike you as the Word and the Life, it may strike say your average Sunni as an reactionary, polytheistic bastardization of Judaism. Tell me, if it's so cut and dry, why the misunderstanding?
MicheasTheMighty2 1 year ago
@MicheasTheMighty2
If God made Himself known, many would still deny Him. Jesus did miracles and the majority wanted either more miracles or to enjoy them with no commitment. The Bible is historically and prophetically accurate. People have a true relationship with Him, that is unique to Judeo-Christianity. Take the angels, they saw God's glory & majesty & many still rejected Him, for them there is no redemption. We see only a fraction of His glory that is why we are offered grace; for a season.
apathy7170 1 year ago
God acknowledges the existance of slavery, but never enocurages it. In fact, When Moses revealed the commandments to the israelites, He was talking to slaves that He had just freed.
SocialMisfit9 1 year ago
@SocialMisfit9 Excuse me?! Quote me one verse from Exodus or Leviticus where god discourages slavery! By giving Moses slavery in his sacred law, your god officially sanctioned slavery, which encouraged it!
One of the stupidest stories in the bible is the exodus from Egyptian slavery AFTER WHICH Moses receives sacred law sanctioning slavery among the people he just liberated! Read all the rest of the bible and no one speaks a word against slavery, not even Jesus.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
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Ray's a piece of shit. Jesus said you must hate your family...irony?
rgaud8 1 year ago
@rgaud8
You do not understand what Jesus was saying. He was saying that you must put Christ first in you life. He did not want you to "hate" anyone, but He was discussing what is in your heart and what your priorities are...that is easy to understand unless you just want to pick a verse and be angry about it without really even trying to understand it. If that is the case then you were successful.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170
You can interpret any verse you want to mean anything you want. That's the beauty of the bible. Anything negative isn't "really" negative, but just a metaphor. There's whole passages about stoning and whatnot which are just as ridiculous. I read it this summer and wasn't impressed. Given some parts were better than others. First chapters are purely lineage and people living to be 900 and whatever, not very enlightening. Of course there's good messages but they're watered down.
rgaud8 1 year ago
@rgaud8
That is not the case, you read the bible contextually. Just like you would with any good literature. Parts are literal, some allegorical, etc. but the context defines what the writer means and how it is to be understood.
apathy7170 1 year ago
this weekend i get to meet ray :)
sadavis642 1 year ago
I seriously hate that people are weak-minded enough to stop, listen and consider what this guy says.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
I seriously hate how this guy is trying to force his beliefs onto other people.
RoadRageFTW 1 year ago
Love the Aussie guy at 1:05: "That's not true".
Aussie Aussie!!
Douche Cameron and the Banana Man are evil.
Muckymuckmuck 1 year ago
Praise God for Ray! He is preaching Christ. Everyone needs to hear about Him because only He can save people from their sins.
NLCA1987 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
i know man, i people who know alot on these subjects whod be there to deny ray.
These people are weak and not very informed, there just strollin on the beach
steptocheese 1 year ago
Do I really have to remind the christians here (@leahtenny and @KeithUnderneath) that slavery is the word of your god, given to Moses? And that your same god said it was okay for masters to kill their slaves and sleep with their female slaves? When you finish reading the ten commandments at the end of Exodus chap 20, read chapter 21, which is your "god"s law on slavery. Every state in the antebellum south quoted this law to justify slavery under law until Lincoln put an end to it.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
Slavery is discussed as a reality, it is not endorsed. And Exodus 20 is about working for freedom for slaves and the owners responsibility to give them and their wife's freedom. Nothing to do with killing slaves or others for that matter. The reality of slavery was dealt with, many things occur that God does not approve of or desire for us, but we do them anyway. Divorce is another example of that which God discusses, it is not His desire but it is committed by man...not God.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Wrong. Slavery is NOT "discussed as a reality" or rationalized in Exodus. By giving slavery in law thru Moses, your so-called god endorsed slavery AFTER the exodus from Egypt and NEVER retracted/repealed the law. Throughout the long history of the judeo-christian canon from Exodus to Revelation, THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS SLAVERY IS BAD, WRONG, IMMORAL OR UNETHICAL! Not one of the prophets, not Jesus, not any of his disciples or St Paul. You worship a god of slavery.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
Ray Comfort is a classical case of a gadfly.
Bugglebear 1 year ago
Wow Ray you are the biggest fucking idiot out there, the only people you convert into religious are fucking idiots. Unfortunately for you, you also convert intelligent people into Atheists. And pre-existing Atheists that listen to you only have their rejections of Christianity further strengthened.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 year ago
@MarvelsofaLifetime
thast judgemental....for real....
chalatenango234 1 year ago
@MarvelsofaLifetime
Wow! I do not believe that I have heard someone's Pride and Self Righteousness screaming out over reason in such a very long time. I guess that I must forget how evil pride really is, and how it clouds a person to reason and puts rebellion in their hearts and minds. Out of the heart the mouth speaks...and yours is self righteous indignant pride...do you hear it? listen...there it is...it's screaming at me now!
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 - Lol this is what I always find funny about theists when they reply to atheists. They always communicate to the atheist like a preacher does to his sheep at church. Like every other theistic retard that types his comments in ‘preacher format’, it’s important to note that you don’t need to post an epistemology that detailed in your comment lmao. I don’t plan on converting to your faith anytime soon.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 year ago
Tis so sweet to trust in JESUS!
leahtenny 1 year ago
@leahtenny God bless abortion.
KeithUnderneath 1 year ago
@KeithUnderneath What?! thats like saying "God bless murder." He can't bless murder. all though history whenever we wanted to justify killing we said they "were not human" Hitler did it to the jews, american's did it to blacks during slavery and NOW we do it to the unborn. LORD JESUS! PLEASE FORGIVE US! SHOW US THE RIGHTS OF THE UNBORN! AND LOVE THE WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED SO DEEP! SHOW THEM THAT IF THEY JUST LOOK TO JESUS HE CAN FORGIVE AND TAKE AWAY ALL THEIR SINS!
leahtenny 1 year ago
@leahtenny hahahahahahahaha :P
KeithUnderneath 1 year ago
@KeithUnderneath lol your funny my friend =)
leahtenny 1 year ago
THAT IS SOOO AWESOME....RAY CONTINUE ALLOWING GOD USE YOU IN A MIGHTY WAY TO BE THAT WILLING VESSEL. THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT FOR POURING OVER THOSE WHO WANTS TO SEEK YOU AND TO KNOW YOU
ladytec40 1 year ago
to bad for that young man, sometimes nothing will get through to people and there so stubborn in there ways. God bless you Ray.
graffix87 1 year ago
@graffix87 The young man, Brian, is far more open to Ray than Ray is towards him. Brian listens and lets Ray have his say, but Ray interrupts and cuts Brian off repeatedly, often by shouting, Brian isn't the stubborn one, Ray is. It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant and close-minded fundamentalists of any religion are, or how set they are in their ways.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore All religion is is mans way of reaching God. What we need is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Your right in that people set in religion are set in there ways, and it seems most athiests are set in there ways as well. But religion does not get us to God. Its by Jesus' sacrafice for us that we are forgiven and come into relationship with a holy God.
graffix87 1 year ago
@graffix87 Salvation thru Christ/god is your opinion, graffix. Atheism is a contrary opinion. I subscribe to neither. As a scientist, I await extraordinary proof for the extraordinary claim for the existence of a deity or deities. Until then I can only say that I don't know.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
As a scientist you do see the extraordinary everyday, just look and you will see it. It is in the smallest atom and the grandest universe. That is how He speaks with us today, and His word. Listen to what you observe in science is saying...I know from a scientific standpoint that it is awesome.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 As a scientist, I don't let grand feelings generated by the aesthetics of the universe to cloud rational thought and judgment. To do so almost always leads to poor/incorrect conclusions and bad science. From a scientific standpoint, you do NOT know whether anything is "awesome" or that your god exists. To claim any god is real is an extraordinary claim, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you have none.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
Aw, but I do and you do too. The world and universe that we live in is proof, If you do not wish to see it, or if you deny its' truth that is your decision. But, it is in all that we see, there is no denying it. At least not for a rational thinking person.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Wrong again. The existence of the universe is proof of nothing except that the universe exists! To say a god created it is a myth story, a belief. By definition, faith/belief require no proof whatsoever.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@apathy7170 I don't believe in anything, let alone gods and their myth stories. I don't deny the existence of the universe. The truth is this: a rational thinking human being CANNOT accept the existence of a god except by belief. By definition, belief requires acceptance without any proof whatsoever. YOU are the irrational one, apathy, allowing your feelings to cloud reason.
longlakeshore 1 year ago
@longlakeshore
Evolutionary anthropologists have discovered 2 unifying factors in all humans, from the urban dweller to the remote villager. 1.The believe in the continuation of self (soul) 2. The believe in a higher power (creator). Anthropologists do not like these 2 steadfast human character traits & cannot explain them away. U claim to believe in nothing, that is statistically improbable but it is in line with a rebellious and prideful heart. Bingo! there it is...found it.
apathy7170 1 year ago
@apathy7170 Really? Your evolutionary anthropologists never interviewed me. I don't believe in anything, least of all your pathetic list. Faith isn't required to live in the world anymore and YOU know it. Rational individuals (which you claim to be) accept they don't know everything without making up myth stories to explain the unknown. My heart pumps blood. It is not possible for it to be rebellious and prideful as you claim. You are not a rational man. You are a myth man.
longlakeshore 1 year ago