The Septuagint

[TheTimeforwar]

The Septuagint was not translated from any fictitious Hebrew Pentateuch. No such book ever existed. The name 'Pentateuch' was plagiarized by later Europeans and employed as a term for identification of a fictitious 'Hebrew Bible' that never existed in ancient times. Enough with the 'Hebrew Apologetics', get's boring after a while. The Septuagint was a translation of Ancient Egyptian documents until the Early Church Fathers got a hold of it and wrote a 'screen play'. You've not a clue.

[oedipusrexsophocles]

Concerning Jesus' words in John echoing Ecclesiasticus, you had the verse right the first time. It's 21, not 29. I checked in my Greek Septuagint and Greek New Testament. :)

[east02west]

Look up Fish Eaters on Google. Its a good site for material on the subject of The Bible and Christianity in general.

[33orleanscrescent]

This song.... Did u sing this in Potta. I have the cassette (Adoni) now worn out. I am after the CD version for thi. Where can I get it please.

[yellowballpoets]

I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the Biblical data,offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity(i.e.,Christian,ap­ostolic tradition),and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality,spirituality,social ethic and philosophy.

[mishakol129]

@yellowballpoets You're talking about the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church right?

[yellowballpoets]

@mishakol129 Yes,My Brother in Christ I believe that the Orthodox are a true Apostolic Church and that the Catholics and Orthodox are brothers by the grace of God,but I accept that the Church must have an infallible authority,i.e the Pope.As stated in Matthew 16:18.

[mishakol129]

@yellowballpoets But we are not true brothers because there is a massive schism which has been since 1054. Also, in Mat 16:18, Jesus was not speaking of Peter as having the authority to give the keys of the kingdom to Rome, that story is rather far fetched IMHO. That "Rock" upon which Christ built His Church, was not the person Peter, because Peter means "Petros" which literally means "a Rock", so it was Peters confession* and "Rock of Faith" so to speak, that the gates of hell will not prevail

[yellowballpoets]

@mishakol129 No it is the person:'I will give YOU the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven;'whatever YOU bind on earth will be bound on Earth will be bound in heaven;and whatever YOU loose in earth will be loosed in Heaven'.Mt 16:19.Christ would not leave his Church without a visible head to lead it after him,would he?

Jesus reinstates Peter in John 21:15-19.Peter heads the meeting to choose who will replace Judas Acts 1:12-26.Peter address the crowd with Authority after Pentecost Acts 2:14-40.

[mishakol129]

@yellowballpoets In the Orthodox Church interpretation, "Giving you the keys to the Kingdom", and "Whatsoever you will bind on earth will be bound in heaven" means firstly, Priestly office, and secondly, the Sacrament of Confession.

My question is: How would Jesus Christ, ever in His Divine mind by saying, "I give you (Peter) the keys to the Kingdom" intend to institute a man (the Pope), as an infallible and autonomous leader of His Church?

Ever heard of the bishops called the Pentarchy?

[yellowballpoets]

@mishakol129 That is what Jesus intended because that's what happened;-Peter is mentioned 195 times for then all the others put together.Peter speaks for the Apostles;Mt 18:21,Mk8:29,Lk 8:45,LK 12:41,Jn 6:69.Peter receives first converts Acts 2:41,Inflicted first punishment Acts 5:1-11,Excommunicates first heretic Simon Magnus Acts 8:21,Received revelation to admit gentiles into the Church Acts 10:44-66,Pronounces first Dogmatic decision 19:19.

[Adonomos]

@yellowballpoets The source of the problem regarding Apostle Peter is wether he is the Rock?

What are the Keys of Heaven?

What is the binding and loosening?

The Keys of Heaven is the Truth Of Christ!

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

All the Apostles were able to cast out demons and heal the sick, this includes sin!

Apostle Peter was also the first one that was called satan!

[yellowballpoets]

@Adonomos That is what Jesus intended because that's what happened;-Peter is mentioned 195 times for then all the others put together.Peter speaks for the Apostles;Mt 18:21,Mk8:29,Lk 8:45,LK 12:41,Jn 6:69.Peter receives first converts Acts 2:41,Inflicted first punishment Acts 5:1-11,Excommunicates first heretic Simon Magnus Acts 8:21,Received revelation to admit gentiles into the Church Acts 10:44-66,Pronounces first Dogmatic decision 19:19.

[yellowballpoets]

I am Catholic because I sincerely believe,by virtue of much cumulative evidence,that Catholicism is true,and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus Christ,against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail(Mt 16:18),thereby possessing an authority I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.

-Dave Armstrong,150 reasons I'm Catholic and you should be too.-

[KyrieEleison46]

This is amazing. :-)

[megaloethor]

What a beauty of a song:)

God Bless brother 

[1daewoo888]

Well it is very nice that this singer has a good voice; Unfortunately singing doesn't establish truth.

It may interest you to know that adonai actually come from adon, for adonis, A phoenician mythological god; And Biblically is not the name of our creator first mentioned in Genesis 4:26 That is Strong's #H3068 YHWH, or Yahweh/Yahuah.

[nicerperson]

@1daewoo888 Adon just means lord, it is used many times in peoples names and 310 times it is used in the OT with Lord God ( Adonai Yahweh ) nothing to do with adonis except the adon probaly means Lord in phoenician as well. It does not make it a "pagan" name of God.

See Gen 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD ( adonay YHVH )

[HelpMeObiiWAN]

What difference does the chronological order of books (inclusions & exclusions) mean, anyway? No one ever reads them!

That is - no one other than us Scholars! The LXX is the Heb OT, Greekamatized!

The ancient Hebrew & Greek cultures were 180 degrees out-of-sync. They rarely believed the exact same things or expressed themselves the exact same way.

For example: Greeks thought in abstracts while Hebrews, in absolutes. The LXX changed all Heb absolutes into Grk abstracts. Eng trans are way off!

[2besavedcom]

Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.

There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.

Blessings

Thanks Ben

[warcrimeserb]

praise THE GOD ALMIGHTY,so help us GOD!Onley 1 question!if JESUS is not MESIAH than who is?If MESSIAH did not appear by now,than what!SO PRAISEN BE THE LORD BY THE NAME OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLEY SPIRIT! 1 LOVE TO ALL PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD,GOD LOVES YOU I LOVE YOU.PEACE

[SiriusLordoflisan7]

LOTS of the original Hebrew sentences and phrases were changed when the LXX came into being. It was more like the Jews were trying to justify Christianity. When the fact doesn't change that a Jew cannot be a Christian. Which is why RABBIS and Christian Apologist argue the words used in some of the scriptures in Greek. Which opposes the Hebrew scripture and context.

[nate12387]

The Septuagint was made between the 3rd and 1st century B. C. This means that it was not trying to justify Christianity since Jesus wasn't even around during that time.

[SiriusLordoflisan7]

@nate12387, The Septugiant changed Almah to Parthenos. Why would they change young woman to VIRGIN? When Rome worship VIRGIN goddess prior to the rise of Christianity. Sounds to me that the Septugiant was trying to fit in with the pagangods & goddesses of Rome.

[nate12387]

@SiriusLordoflisan7 It was Alexandrian Jews who did the translation. They were in Alexandria, not Rome. So saying anything about worshiping anyone in Rome does not follow since it was made in Alexandria, by Jews.

[TruthCeeker333]

@SiriusLordoflisan7 Consider Deut. 32:8, why does the Massoretic text change "Sons of God" to "Sons of Israel", while the LXX remains true to the text and agrees with the Dead Sea Scrolls? Consider Hebrews 10:5-7 in quoting Psalm 40:6-8 "A Body you have prepared for me." The Massoretic text does not agree, but is it because it is more "true". Why would early Christians try to convince Jews with a questionabe Psalm? Perhaps the LXX did not change the understanding of Almah but preserved it?

[iotaunam1]

Protestants love to think that the Catholic Church added Books to the Bible. This is laughable since the New Testament was written completely by Catholics! The Infalible Church aslo determined the Canon!

However, NO PROTESTANT can answer the question: "Where do you get the Authority that the Scriptures you have are Inspired and accurate word for word, and that you have the Correct cannon?"

Protestantism is therefore, not only heretical, but also ILLOGICAL!!!!

[nojoso]

Amen brother!

[AgApE010]

..Finally, Scripture isn't Scripture by virtue of Rome's choice. Scripture was already Scripture, as also demonstrated in the writings of the apostolic fathers who quote from the OT and NT and call it "Scripture". The Council simply formally established what was already true and separated the uninspired works from among the inspired ones.

Thus, no credit is due to Rome for the Bible. On the contrary, had Rome had its way, you wouldn't have an English Bible today.

[nate12387]

That's really not true. If it wasn't for the councils of hippo and Carthage, we wouldn't have these. Also the first English bible was the Douay - Rheims Bible, not the king James. Which means that Rome is responsible for the first English bible.

[SilentPrayingmanTis]

To anyone who is not Catholic you can get the Septuagint translation in the Orthodox Study Bible! The original church [Eastern Orthodox Church] founded on Pentecost buy the deciples of Jesus and many others describes in Acts 2!

[Bingolly1]

What a coincidence so the Catholic Church. Maybe we are closer than what we think.  Thanks

[SilentPrayingmanTis]

Yea the Orthodox Study Bible has few extra books in it also> One is called Susanna that is at the beginning of Daniel. It is about a young virgin women who refuses to give her self to a munch of older men. I havent read it yet but the Orthodox Church sais its a realy good story for all young women and girls.

God bless = )

[Bingolly1]

It is a good story, in the Latin Vulgate (Douay Rheims) Bible, Daniel 13, has the story of Susanna and the Elders, and then Daniel 14 has Bel and the Dragon. Jerome initially wanted to remove them, but the Pope Damasus said No, and believed them to be inspired. Later the dead sea scrolls confirmed what the Pope believed, and that was they belong with the rest of scripture. God bless you too! And Merry Christmas

[Shirotora1979]

I got my study bible the day it was aviable. Been one of the largest blessings in my life.

[Bingolly1]

I have done much more research on this since I put this video up. The 1611 KJV is a joke to me now. It has led so many people astray. Peace

[Shirotora1979]

I know what you mean honestly. Question did you read up on the Translation method used?

[Bingolly1]

Yes and I am working on more of that now. It takes looking at several different things to dig to the bottom of it.

[Shirotora1979]

Yeah and just so you know that way of translation is complety wrong and is frowned upon by translators of today. Sadly very few people even question how was the KJV 1611 let alone the KJV was translated.

[Bingolly1]

Thanks and I will keep that in mind should I decide to do a follow-up.

[Yoshuayovel]

If RCC didn't add books on Miqra, then they have removed a book from Miqra!

(3 Maccabees)

Mainstream Judaism have canonized the Torah at 4th century BC and Nevi'im at 2nd century BC. Most accepted the Jewish Ketuvim as holy inspired but some accepted LXX version. So they started the council to confirm Ketuvim canon at ~100AD. That's why we can't read from Talmud that the Rabbi discussing about the Miqra but only Ketuvim section!

[stellirama]

That's funny. I heard the New Revised Standard Version Bible was supposed to have used interpetations from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Why then, if the Dead Sea Scrolls are so compatible with the Septuagint, does Isaiah 7:14 read "Young woman with child" as opposed to "virgin".

You can't have it both ways.

[labarum312]

The jewish word in question (almah) is neither "virgin" nor "young woman". It is probably best translated as maiden. It refers to a young unmarried woman still under the protection of her father. It usually imples "virgin" since that would have generally have been the case but a virgin could have been an older woman who never married so they are not identical. A young woman who conceived would out of wedlock would not have been referred to as "almah" but something more colorful. (cont'd)

[labarum312]

(cont'd)

Given the context of a "sign" indicating something out of the ordinary, the citation in Isaiah was likely referring to "virgin" since young women conceiving then or now is not at all miraculous. If she was married, the word "almah" would not apply and if she were not married but conceived in the normal way out of wedlock would have been a scandal and not a sign of the Messiah. This is why the translators of the Septuagint substituted the Greek word for "virgin" since it does fit.

[PeacefulApe]

I wanted to make a video about this, too (also mentioning the different subgroups and their motivation as well as the general motivation of anti-hellenistic cleansing) but you did it already :) Thank you very much my friend !

Pax

[DefenseOfTheFaith]

If I were you I would go ahead and make it. Especially showing the subgroups and their motive. I believe I did not say much about that in my video. Let me know when you get the time. God Bless

[Bingolly1]

The thing to me is that we have to have faith that God has given us His word and in His word His salvation history is clear. If by numerous interpretations you mean interpretations of people you are correct. However there are not numerous interpretations of a text. Such would be really confusing.

[bluephoenix83]

I'm having trouble believing in that. Jews have THE WORD. Muslims have THE WORD. Jehovah's witness have THE WORD. Mormons have THE WORD. everyone of them trusting god to give them THE WORD. even within the dead sea scrolls themselves has two different accounts of noah floods. the Septuagint and the Hebrew text differ from each other. It feels like gambling. i place my bet on instinct and hope for the best.

[Bingolly1]

"As long as they are translated accurately" really applies to every Bible or books of the Bible." When misused and abused it can cause great harm to doctrines and God's word in general. I feel that is why there needs to be a central authority to settle interpretation disputes. Thanks for comment.

[Agila1]

very cool video! :)

[taragoodman]

question so what are we missing from the KJV bible that is misleading the christians?

[Bingolly1]

The video is really to address the KJV only people who claim that those who use the Septuagint are wrong to use it, when it was used by Greek and Ethiopian Jews and it's existence is proven by the Dead Sea Scrolls. When the Hebrew canon was decided after the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD the Jewish scribes didn't want anything to do with the Septuagint which helping spread Christianity. They wanted to make a clear distinction between themselves and Christians.

[Bingolly1]

In doing so they left out the deuterocanons from their Hebrew Bible. It is up for you to decided to read them. Considering other Jewish people thought they were important enough to pass on. Hope that helps God bless

[rightlydivide08]

Please tell me do fundamentals error? We have the king james;have you searched it and have you found --any revelations we do not have? have you found teacings of jesus more profound then in james? and is there direct teaching that says we are wrong not upholding traaditions over scripture following/??I haven read anything but james and am very interested in earlier scriptures--as long as they are truth.

[chickydum]

great video Mr Bingolly, interesting to learn about. I really love the song too. :)

[Bingolly1]

Thanks chickydum. Hope you had a good nights sleep.

[chickydum]

Yes i did thank you :), now off to work as well :) hehe, you take care of yourself and your family, you're a really good friend. I'm so happy to have you as my friend.

[themistoklisp]

Dear Brother,

I was doing something with my contact list and by mistake erased all my friends... Could you accept my friends invitation? I apologize for this.

God Bless!

[Bingolly1]

NP friend I will be glad to. People do things like that all the time on youtube.

[ByFaith12]

Bing, I have been following the comments made and know more about this issue now. Each person seemed to have something to add to the video and that is great. I appreciate you posting this for viewers.

[Bingolly1]

That was my hope when I posted this video. Many people will not research this issue and just parrot what they hear rather than finding out for themselves.

[Shirotora1979]

That has been something that I have had problems with when discussing the septugent with people such as Jesusfreek. He refuses to actually just restate what he was told without looking into it himself. You otherwise do the research and have such a great way of sharing it that I lack.

[Bingolly1]

You can do the same thing Shirotora. With your sincerity you would have no problem researching this and doing a video. I kept this light there was so much more to add, but 10 minutes its hard. I encounter people like that all the time, they just refuse to hear another side and it's just not for them right now.

[dogsieh]

excellent video.the kjv included the "apochraphal" books until the later 1800's at which time protestants lost their cahonas and started putting out multiple paraphraes and versions to suit selfserving doctrines.one of the biggest lies they have accomadated is evolution.

the dead sea scrolls confirm both the masoritc and alexandrian texts,my understanding is there are more scrolls confirming the masoretic than alexandrian....

[Shirotora1979]

As i understand it there about equal..maybe a few more towards masoretic but not sure.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

"Apocryphal", means of doubtful authenticity but the Dead Sea scrolls show us that these writings were accepted. It's evidence that the Deuterocanons are of Jewish origin even though they were rejected by the Massorites/Hebrew bible post-Christ. The DS scrolls naturally would confirm what is in the Hebrew bible, as the Septuagint has all the writings found in the HB anyway. The great find is DS shows us the OT Septuagint was accepted by many other Jewish people & it's writings are authentic.

[Romans1013A]

Excellent job Bing. Thanks for explaining this topis. You still owe me a game of backgammon:)

[nate12387]

What is the music in the background.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Amy Grant's version of "El Shaddai"

[nate12387]

ok thanks

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

You're welcome! :D

[Kristusljus]

There's two major Bible translations in Sweden and the deuterocanonical books are included in one of them (Bibel2000) - mainly used by The Swedish Church, a protestant church that used to be a state church. This version have been criticized for a poor and too easy-going translation - among other things changing the central expression of "The Holy Spirit" into more less poignant everyday terms. Therefor an alternative was translated without the deuterocanonical books (Svenska Folkbibeln).

[Bingolly1]

Thanks for posting that information and God Bless.

[themistoklisp]

The Septuagint includes only the Old Testament Books. The problem with the Swedish translation had nothing to do with the Septuagint but with the translators of the Swedish text.

God Bless!

[themistoklisp]

Great Video and very well made. I would just like to clarify a few things.

1. The Septuagint includes 76 Books. The Catholics removed 3 Books and the Protestants (today) removed 10 Books. I believe the Eastern Orthodox Bible is the correct one because it includes ALL the Books.

2. The Early Protestants accepted the Second (Deutero) Canonical Books as good reading and included them in their Bibles (example the first editions of the KJV).

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[themistoklisp]

3. According to the Eastern Orthodox Church (and I agree with them on that) not all the Books in Scripture are Divinely Inspired. "This can be ascertained in the preceding chart, where you can see that of the 76 books of the Holy Scriptures, only the 73 of them are Divine, and of these 73 books, only the 68 are Divinely Inspired. Thus, we have 3 books that are not Divinely Inspired, and 6 books that are not even Divine." (Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiries)

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[themistoklisp]

4. "The Holy Bible itself is an "amalgam" of books, of assorted "qualities" and characteristics, hence, the phrase that we use:"the Divinely Inspired Holy Scriptures", is an over-simplification. The only reason that we refer to it in this way is because it contains books of Divine revelation, and not because it is Divinely Inspired in its entirety." (Panayiotis Boumis, Dr Th.,"The Canons of the Church regarding the Canons of the Holy Bible". Αthens 1986.)

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[themistoklisp]

4. "We refer to Timothy II, chapter 3:16, where, according to the text, it says:"Every divinely inspired scripture (is) also beneficial for teaching, for checking, for rectification, for education within justice" However, various translations of this verse quote it as follows:"

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[themistoklisp]

"The Scripture is divinely inspired and beneficial for teaching, for checking" These translations have inserted the article "the" and have also placed the word "is" before the word "divinely inspired", thus giving the impression that this verse is referring to "THE" Scripture overall. It is with this alternative"

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[themistoklisp]

presentation that they attempt to support their viewpoints that "ONLY the Holy Scriptures are divinely inspired". Nonetheless, this verse does not maintain that ONLY the Holy Bible is divinely inspired. In actual fact, it is pointing out that "Every divinely inspired writing (is) also beneficial". This verse makes no mention whatsoever of the Holy Bible!

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[themistoklisp]

It speaks of any (=every) divinely inspired writing! Besides, when this verse was being composed, only the Old Testament was acknowledged as the Holy Bible. Someone may protest to this, saying: "But there is no other divinely inspired writing, apart from the Holy Scriptures!" In reality, there is no mention in the Holy Bible that it alone is divinely inspired, nor does it say anywhere that we are obliged to accept only the Bible and nothing else!

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[themistoklisp]

These assertions however, are something entirely different! They comprise a non-Christian, worldly tradition, which the Church never upheld during its 20 centuries." (Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiries).

5. The Bible is not the Word of God only Jesus is the Word of God. The Bible is inspired by God but only with the Holy Spirit can be understood. The words of the Word cannot be limited to any Book for the Spirit always speaks to His Church and leads Her into all Truth.

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[themistoklisp]

6. "If they should allege, that the admitting of any other books to be now written by the same Spirit might infer the admission of new doctrines; I deny that consequence; for the principal or fundamental doctrines of the Christian religion are contained in the tenth part of the Scripture; but it will not follow thence that the rest are impertinent or useless. If it should please God to bring to us any of those books, which by the injury of time are lost, which are mentioned in the Scripture; as,

[themistoklisp]

The Prophecy of Enoch; the Book of Nathan, &c., or, the Third Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians; I see no reason why we might not receive them and place them with the rest. That which displeaseth me is, that men should first affirm that the Scripture is the only and principal rule, and yet make a great article of faith of that which the Scripture can give us no light in." (R.B., Apology for the True Christian Divinity, Concerning the Scriptures).

Sorry if my post was too long.

God Bless!

[Bingolly1]

Thanks Themis, I am aware of the Eastern Orthodox canon, but it was just too much to get in the video. The main issue was to address the Protestants who claim that Catholics add to the bible, specifically the 46 Old Testament books the Catholics accept from the LXX, I wasn't addressing the NT books. I still have some sidenotes to add about early Protestants accepting the Deuterocanonicals. God Bless!

[Shirotora1979]

Thanks for such a great reply mistoklisp. This fall I will be confirmed into the Greek Orthadox church. I am so looking forward to it.

[stuart20017]

Good luck to you and God Bless you!

[themistoklisp]

I am not Orthodox, I just agree with them on this. I am a Conservative Quaker.

God Bless!

In His Love,

Themis

[Romans1013A]

Congrats Shirotora

[Metania01]

Shitora the official Greek Orthodox Church is Ecumenical now, and therefore heretic. You have to search for Old Calendar, Greek Orthodox church, they have no communion with the Roman Catholics and they are the true Orthodox. They are called GOC (Genuine Orthodox Church). Feel Free to Email me if you have any questions.

Look into it,

[Shirotora1979]

i have thank you honestly. The Eastern Orthadox is NOT in communion with Rome and still trying to find out exactly where people think that we are in communion with them. RCC cannot take communion in a Eastern Orthadox Church and vice versa...even if the RCC says otherwise.

[XSC3]

The RCC urges other churches that share compatible theology of the sacrament to "respect the discipline of their church communities" but technically an Orthodox Christian recieving communion at a Catholic Mass would not be invalid, in the eyes of Catholics. I'm no canon lawyer, but that makes sense to me.

[dogsieh]

these are the very reason i am not binding myself to the burden of denomination.Christ accepts the prayer of catholics,orthadox,pentacostal­,baptist and so on. we are all his creation,sinners in need of a savior,equal under the blood.

[Shirotora1979]

I do agree

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

Maybe some people get the Eastern/Greek Orthodox confused with the The Eastern Rite Catholics who are in full communion with the Holy See.

[Shirotora1979]

Yeah...didn't think of that. Thank you honestly for pointing that out.

[themistoklisp]

No, Metanoia01 belongs to a Church which separated itself from the official Greek Orthodox Church over... 13 days in the calendar (!). In Greece we call them Παλαιοημερολογήτες (Followers of the Old Calendar) they call themselves Genuine Orthodox Christians, (Γνήσιοι Ορθόδοξοι Χριστιανοί - ΓΟΧ).

God Bless!

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

The Catholic Church does have high regard for our Eastern Orthodox brothers, when visiting a Catholic Church they can take communion if they request so. cf. Canon 844

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. "These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy." A certain communion in sacris...is not merely possible but is encouraged." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, number 1399) Peace be with you and congratulations btw!!

[Shirotora1979]

THank you so much. its honestly like a comming home to a home i didn't know i was away from. I think it was GREAT that bin did this video and have sent it to a number of people already since so many want to say I am not a christian because of the Septuagint.

[Bingolly1]

What those people need to hear Shirotora is that it isn't the text that save us it is Jesus. So people will not see the possibilities of anything but you and I know that salvation history may take many roads but the roads must lead us to Christ. Thank you for your valuable comments to this video. They really help open up a dialog with others.

[Shirotora1979]

Oh you knew when you put it up I would be commenting..lol. Seriously though I agree totally. To many get caught up in the I am right and you are wrong additudes that they don't see that we do belive in the Same Christ. Its by hm that we are saved not anything eles. Sadly there are so many misconceptiong about the Septuagent and the Eastern Orthadox that its almost sad. You have gone a LONG way in helping that and I honestly thank you for it.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

That is wonderful Shirotora. That coming home feeling is a wonderful one! God bless you! All Catholics deal with the same issue about the Septuagint. I think the Lord is moving when the modern wold finds ancient text, its a renewal of truth and His words preserved through His Greek speaking Jewish Children is just as valuable as what we learn about salvation through Hebrew text. I love reading the Maccabees..

[Shirotora1979]

For me its Wisdom of Sirach. I have had a problem with Arrogance and well....that kinda put me in my place lol. Has become my Favorite book of the bible.

[FamaNihilEstCelerius]

:D We all have a problem with arrogance creeping up on us at one time or another. Perhaps I better get to reading, I can use all the help I can get! :D

[Shirotora1979]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. As always Bin you have helped me explain someing in direct words. Thank you thank you thank you.

[Bingolly1]

Your welcome your welcome your welcome. I am working on your challenge now. Wanted you to know I have not forgotten. I hav just been busy. God Bless you.

[SamuelTheProphet]

Excellent video Bingolly1. I can see where the Jewish Community and Christians would have been at odds over the various text.

[Bingolly1]

Thanks Samuel. There is much confusion over this issue. I hope this helps clear things up a little.

[Bingolly1]

Also you are correct they were at odds when the Council of Javneh decided the Hebrew Canon. The early Christians were not happy about it at all and other Jewish people felt that the council had no authority to decide the canon.