VOLT: Pretending to be a VOLT, proving GM is malingering - 1

[JCKCPA]

it is not GM it was George Bush JR and the Big Boys forced GM.

Digg deeper but you will never find anything.

[ZivBnd]

Considering how much this guy knows about batteries, it is amazing how stupid he can be about GM, and the economics of building cars in America. GM is giving the Volt a 25 to 50 mile All Electric Range because even then the pack will cost $8000. If the problem is GM, why hasn't Toyota or VW built an electric car?

What a tool. GM and Nissan are leading the way to electrifying cars in America.

[smczack1]

I cant wait to see what we are going to do with all these batteries when they are shot !!!!!!

[jerrysjunk]

to hell with th e gas companys they have caused enought  damage to the planet i say we should all boycot the gas companys . and i think gm should be put out of its misery . long live the electric car

[n3sjh]

Simple. someone is full of shit and it ain't you!!!

[SirTragain]

4:17 There is a point of diminishing returns due to weight of those additional batteries.

[craybmsn]

It comes down to one simple fact. MONEY! Had the gentlemen that engineered the battery technology not sold his knowledge (for money to GM) we would have this tech to use in any car today. Then, after GM's brass was bought off by big oil (for LOTS of money), they sold the technology (for money) to Chevron for them to trademark it and prevent it from affecting their MONEY. Now GM and Chevron are in the tank-karma-

[InsideLosAngeles]

The Volt gets 230 miles per gallon (city). You fail.

[SirTragain]

The VOLT was to have a 12 gallon fuel capacity and a 50MPG rating with an all electric 40 mile range before the engine would power the electric motor; its maximum range would have been 640 miles. GM is now saying a range of 360 miles without any help from the initial charge using a smaller gas tank of approximately 8 gallons which is 45MPG and a total range of 400 miles if we are to believe the 40 mile all electric range still exists.

[starmanskye]

How the HELL did GM & Chevron manage to stop anyone from using NiMH batteries? I'm too furious to read-up on it right now. Goddamn but GM should be allowed to fail & broken into a hundred or thousand companies. The influence of the oil industry has become a monstrosity, a major argument why oil companies should all be nationalized as non-profit public utilities. AND all (or most) of our special-interest bought confress critters need to be replaced with new blood, AND the power of lobbies killed.

[SomeWillLieSomeNot]

Becaus it would litterly destroy many many industrial companys...Much much much less items in the motors...and much much less jobs..It would colaps both industry and oil and petrol companies...Just think about it...An electrical car isnt profitable, since most will be able to fix them themselves!...Its lame i agree...but it would have HUGE consecuenses!

[SomeWillLieSomeNot]

And yes my english sucks...But im from sweden so bare with me!

[datzfast]

i have driven electric fork lifts for eight hours a day. i have 2 old cars in my yard,

toyota tercels i will convert to electric.

with 100 trillion dollars of oil still in the ground electric car is a dream. aint going to happen.

[02redcavi]

wont you feel dumb when they prove you wrong, by the way you have way to much time on your hands. I think your secretively in love with GM

[proaudiohd]

It's not that they can't make a car with that much range, they can, its that they cant make it affordable. Take the tesla for example. Much more energy storage but it costs 100k. The volt is supposed to have just enough battery to get to work & back. Building in additional battery capacity adds to the cost to the point where most people can't afford it. How much did the car you're driving in the video cost?

[liveoilfree]

Don't miss the point: the VOLT (and Tesla) are FORCED to use super-expensive Lithium batteries because GM and Chevron combined to stop ANYONE from using much cheaper NiMH.

Check the links to the right to get more info.

[gabbogabbo]

I agree, something is fishy with the GM/chevron thing. But im wondering, juding by the your videos, looks like toyota keeped the EV RAV's on the road. Why is that?

[americaneagle12]

very nice

[VRJensen1]

We have given Big Oil millions to "invest in alternative energy." They now own the EV battery companies and thus the Big Oil Cartel/Machine perpetuates itself. Big Oil execs send Gifts, buy stock and send requests and otherwise exert influence over the Auto industry. That is why we won't see a viable car become available to the public. Obviously they own a lot of congressman and senators, I'm hoping they don't Own our current administration like they did the last one. We feed their machine

[liveoilfree]

The so-called "volt" is what's called a "serial hybrid", where all the traction power comes from the motor; the genset just comes on to run the car. Now if the VOLT is only a 40-mile-range EV with a genset, why is GM going BACKWARD?? In 1998 or 1999, GM had an EV1 serial hybrid version at the Tokyo Auto Show.

[johan28]

Makes me sad to watch your videos. I can tell by the sounjd of your voice you're not happy about it.

The way I explain all of this is that they're attempting to change our climate in expecation of a solar minimum that will last several decades. They pumped the atmosphere wiht GhGs to moderate the temps in the 21st century. The sun is already starting to shut down.

I had to make some kind of theory to swallow the idiotic tendencies of people. I know it ain't much, but it's my own.

[liveoilfree]

That's a pretty good theory! I don't believe it, but who knows? It makes more sense than GM's self-destruction for no reason.

[stupedace21]

dude ur talking all this shit about how GM is taking to long but then u said they have already made cars that are completely electric but the whole point of the electric car is to go green and if your using lead to make tha damn batterie thats not going green what im trying to say is that GM is trying to make lithium ion batteries GM

[goku1940]

NIMPH batteries are green, they could always use NIMPH batteries but they won't because they are so focused on Lithium ion batteries that are going to cost too much to produce anyway.

[datzfast]

99 percent of all lead and 100 percent of car battery lead is recycled. if it were any greener it would be purple.

[Chapstick050]

they are making the volt to be a car for everyone(very cheap)

if people want to save money on gas, they arent gana buy a high priced car and waste money just because its electric

[gtaatmiami]

lmao true...unless they have to get a new car right? This car is going to be priced at around 30,000 so it isn't too bad compared to a prius. I wonder what the lease will be on this car

[Chapstick050]

ok no crap that things gana go alot farther

its an suv, alot more room for batteries

gm is a tiny car, it probably has very limited space for batteries at all

if gm made an electric suv i bet they could get it to go atleast 150 miles without a charge

[ChuckNorris2344]

Do you have to change your batteries often?

And if you have to change them,,they must be expensif>

Anyway i like your car and i would buy any EV anytime

[liveoilfree]

No battery change so far: we figure they may be good for 200,000 miles or so.

[philipp61]

What kind of car are you driving?

[liveoilfree]

It's a Toyota RAV4-EV, last sold in Nov., 2002. Unlike GM, Toyota was not afraid to sell its Electric car to the general public, and almost all of them are still in service.

GM was afraid to sell its EV1 to the public, showing that GM is dishonest as well as wimpy.

[Inu1294]

it is being released in 2010 last time I heard

[liveoilfree]

GM claims the VOLT will be released in Nov., 2010, but only in limited quantities, and that it won't be a factor in calculating their MPG numbers to meet fleet CAFE requirements.

[Inu1294]

oh ok thanks for the heads up :) but I think I will stick with my 2.9L Colorado

[LOLDISNEYLAND]

Far out, GM has got the be the most short sighted company EVER! I'm not a fan of Toyota, but I definitely hope they destroy GM once and for all. They are a waste of time and don't care for their market segments that they target. They just want to sell cars that are redesigned model T fords. Same goes for ford.

[emforty2]

don't worry GM is on self-desctruct autopilot mode.

i can't believe they are acquiring Chrysler

2 wrongs cant make a right

ha ha

[bleakvista]

GM may have sabotaged the EV1, but that was before the environment was on everyone's radar, before the price of fuel skyrocketed. Now, the public demands efficiency, and the Prius is a runaway success. Toyota is tightening the noose, and will make Prius its own car line.

Facing this stiff competition, GM can't be fooling around. They're bleeding cash, and this car could be their last shot. It might not be everything you want, but you don't know what constraints they're working under.

[liveoilfree]

GM is just waiting for the price of gas to come down, then it will resume production of gas-guzzlers and cancel the VOLT hoax.

[rob16875]

Oh cmon this is not true are you being serious lol

[liveoilfree]

It's already happening. "...while [the] Volt is still the darling of the alternative fuel set...GM took the wraps off its monster-motored Cadillac CTS-V, not to mention the even more outrageous Corvette ZR1..."

[Ryantravisaol]

man, go read something. The Volt goes into production in mid 2010. Gm is still building the Vette and CTS-V because the Vette is iconic and the CTS-V is targeted at a very specific segment. With your logic manufacturers would stop making the BMW M5, Mercedes AMG's, and all Ferrari's, Lambo's, and Porsche's. I agree we need to replace our "Daily Drivers" with cars like the Volt but some people still have a love for cars, and for those people, a quiet, slow, eco-car is not for them.

[liveoilfree]

They claim 2010 Nov.; in reality, early 2011. And if you read, youl would find that GM says in such small numbers it won't be significant with respect to fleet MPG -- or anything else. A 40-mile-range EV!! That's going backward.

[Ryantravisaol]

Don't try to insult me by using my word against me, wont work. Fact is here that I do read, apparently you don't. The Volt is designed for the ever day commuter an not for family road trips. GM says the themselves. The average person drives just 40 miles a day, if they own a VOLT they will NEVER spend money on gas, ever. Everything I'm saying is well documented and true, not my fault you're inept. You need to understand fact and economics, re-take that community school course you took. Good Day

[liveoilfree]

It's you who started the "read" stuff. You should pay attention to what GM states: it will not be available in significant numbers, and won't be profitable.  What GM says means little; in case you haven't read the papers, GM is close to bk. Lutz is leaving this year; the top execs all dumped their shares.

[liveoilfree]

GM will sabotage the VOLT just as it sabotaged the EV1. If GM were serious about building an EV, it wouldn't have crushed all the EV1, and it wouldn't be fighting to keep our air dirty and MPG standards low.

GM is currently suing the State of California over AB32 issues; if it were going to produce plug-in cars like the VOLT, GM wouldn't have to fight for the right to pollute.

[mikedrazen]

you know a homemade hydrogenator could run a 2 cycle engine which you know gets 100mpg gas

so er lets say 70mpg hydrogen, but don't use it for the main motor, use it as a power generator, it could generate umlimited power to your ev

a kid could have figure it out

oh well, we live in a gas world

go usa

no go electric cars

btw i cried while watching who killed the ev1

I will name my first ev after ev1

rip ev1

[doom2ruler]

Sorry, Ty, but you are explaining to the thick-headed, group-joiners. They don't care about the actual where or why. All they care about is screaming about everyone else being wrong. We understand the basis. These GM are Liars crowd people only want to be able to whine. It's people like that that causes the slow adoption of better technologies. Let them wallow in their own self-loathing when GM does come through. See where their whining leaves them then. Oh, we didn't really mean it!

[liveoilfree]

This is the kind of bald-faced IGNORANCE that results in NO PLUG-IN CARS FOR SALE while 10 years ago, there were hundreds, and 6 years ago, Toyota sold hundreds of RAV4-EV. Dwell in the hollow emptiness of GM.

[3flipmafia]

who cares about the environment?

[goku1940]

You sound like an idiot. Everyone MUST care about the environment! Can't you understand that? It's the highest of everyone's priorities.

[3flipmafia]

the environment is the last thing id worry about when other countries have nuclear weapons and we are at war.

think about that. the trees will be alright.

[alphadog1x]

The funny thing is that more electricy demand = more coal power plants being built.  WHere do you guys thing electricity comes from? ALL solar/wind/hydro/nuclear? NO!! It's still majority *COAL!* It's not putting gas fumes out the tailpipe but it's shooting them out of a smokestack somewhere instead!!

[goku1940]

Actually, that is only a small bit accurate. With rooftop solar panels, an electric car could produce enough energy to not require that coal plant to operate for its use. Also, with Regenerative braking you'll likely not need to recharge the battery at night since you'll stop and recharge at every stoplight anyway. Windpower is also more powerful then your giving it credit for. In rural places sometimes the wind never stops.

[proaudiohd]

rooftop solar panels on a fullsize passenger car would generate nowhere near enough energy to power it. Not even close, not even 1%. Regenerative braking helps capture some energy that would be lost to braking, but that is only a few seconds worth out of the hours of driving. You still need energy to move the vehicle at a constant speed, and the car will need to be charged. Wind is coming online more & more, yes.. but most of our electricity comes from coal right now.

[cxpage]

EV's and plug-in hybrids DO help the environment - even if the electricity comes from coal - because you use less to move the car.

As far as gas station mechanics and lube shop employees...I'm sorry but nobody is ever guaranteed a job for life in any industry.

The buggy-whip companies of the 19th century either found a new product to make or they went out of business.

It's called free market capitalism.

[liveoilfree]

But in point of fact, you can drive 1000 miles on 250 kWh, only a fraction of the electric use of the average sprawled home: an amount that can be produced by a small solar system, paid for entirely by money NOT spent on gas.

[kilimats02]

very good point. One reason would be the battery size and cost, they are trying to maximize the cabin space and car cost, bust still, it should be more than 40 miles, i agree

[TyLiermann]

Remind yourself that EV's are a redundancy. The power MUST come from somewhere. In this case, your electric bill. You're not saving world pollution either. That part is up to our electric companies.

If EV's ever became big it would also take a jack-knife to employment. Less gas station workers, lube shops, mechanics out of jobs. Really think about what this could cause when you selfishly complain about 4 bucks a gallon. Other areas of our planet are paying over 7. Inflation is the antagonist.

[TyLiermann]

I've never been a huge fan of Chevy. But I feel inclined to defend them.

Think Lithium. Not lead acid or other very old battery types. Lithium is powerful and has a long life.

Larger battery, longer range. The MOST effective way of gaining higher range. BUT more expensive replacement costs, higher risks of fatal explosion and longer recharge times. Lithium batteries may overheat and explode in high current applications. A vehicle is a VERY high current application.

[liveoilfree]

Lithium is unproven for EVs; NiMH is the standard long-life well-proven EV battery.

[gandy74]

There is no reason GM cant make the Volt a 100 mile range before the range extender is needed.

[TyLiermann]

There is no reason for a good portion of the population to drive more than 40 miles a day. If you have a regular in town job then really... what's the problem with using an alternate car for long range or hitching a ride with a friend? I applaud GM for thinking of EFFICIENCY. Not spoiled Americans that feel they can do whatever the hell they want.

[doom2ruler]

Guy, I'm sorry, but as soon as you come up with the direct documentation about their "lying" about what they want to achieve with their car, please, PLEASE, stop whining. Okay, your lead-acid car can go so far, congrats. It doesn't mean that GM isn't working on a different EV. Chill already, for your own health.

[liveoilfree]

Hi Bob Lutz, you need to take your meds.

[Ukrainatrain]

You are leaving out the fact that only about 300 of these were made by Toyota, after which, much like the EV1, program was scrapped. WHY?? Instead of taking a crap in his own backyard, why doesn't Michel Moore make a movie about how evil Toyota is. They were sold for 42 grand, most likely at a loss for the company. As far as I know, Chevron now owns the patent for these batteries, and even if GM did use them, the car would still be too expensive to be appealing. That's why it's not on the market

[doom2ruler]

The Volt will be far more appealing to more people. They haven't ignored the EV-1 or the RAV-4EV, but they want to make it fully accomodating to more people other than those who stay within, say, 40 miles of home. I regularly travel the max range that the EV-1 had, and then needed to come home! I wouldn't have time to wait for the machine to recharge! I have a life! I'm more than happy to work with a combine unit. EV-1 was awesome, Volt is far more appealing.

[Devast8ion]

The Volt is an eyesore.

[liveoilfree]

They won't make more than tiny quantities, if ANY. GM is a liar!

If GM were serious, they could produce a 40-mile-range EV at anytime since 1969. Adding a range-extender is easy.

[Irontygre]

It gets 100 miles on electric range. What do you do when you run out of charge, wait 6 hours at a charging station, or switch to a backup generator?

[Mockarutan]

If that was ment as an argue agains the car... Every heard of planing you trip?

[Irontygre]

Have you ever had to make a 1000 mile roadtrip? Ever lived in a city where a 150 mile circuit is common when you have a lot of things to finish? I'm sorry, removing the generator and adding it's weight in batteries to the Volt (which is really all it would take to give a Volt a 100 mile range) is NOT an improvement. I'm glad GM figured this out.

[bd189]

there are models like the phoenix sut/suv that have a charger that can recharge the vehicle in 10 minutes. good for taxi companies and could also be put in at gas strations since you have to wait 10 minutes or even longer waiting to prepay for gas.

[Irontygre]

Looks cool, and the fact that it may have a 250 mile range is even cooler. However, it a) cannot plug into a standard home wall socket in the US, b) the 10 minute charger would require (direct quote) "expensive industrial equipment." The last time I even saw a 480V 500A 3 phase socket (which is what is required for the 10 minute charge) was when I worked at a national lab. They don't even let you go *near* one of those things without specialized electrical safety training.

[earthspoweryoga]

I too am refusing to buy another non electric car. My next car will be all electric. Anyone want to buy my 03 Volvo xc70. it will be replaced soon. If I have to build one my self.

[FreeEnergyWorld]

where can i buy one? and how much!

i refuse to buy another fossile fuel car!

if more of us refused to buy fossile cars, the car makers will give a choice when their sales drop off!

don't buy fossile fuel cars ...

[liveoilfree]

The VOLT is a fraud; there is no way you can do an EV with Lithium batteries below $100K.

GM needs to use NiMH or Lead-acid, more than good enough for 100-mile range (PHEV-100).

[scaatyz4]

Mistakenly GM thinks it makes' more off gas and diesel engines; pay offs from big oil, profits from dealership parts and labor etc.{The Japanese and Nader taught them a lesson in the 80's}.If they sold this type auto they could corner a world market.Instead there is more waste in landfills,more oil disposal, smog; the high cost of security,foreign wars and death; all for this dependence.If every auto in the US was getting 300 mpg oil price would rise to $600 per gallon.Where is sanity?

[bellaggio1770]

If every car in the US got 300mpg, the price of a gallon of gas would drop to $0.10

Just think about it, if there is less demand for it, the price drops. If there is heavy demand, prices rise..just like happens right now.

[PhatFarm60]

Ask yourself... Are you willing to drive a lawnmower sized car that may take 45 seconds to get to top speed of 60 mph?

I'm not... I want either one of two things: A fuel efficient car that is fast, long ranged, and aesthetically pleasing like the Chevy Volt... Or I want a dollar a gallon gas so I can keep driving my SUV

[Devast8ion]

Why not a medium sedan that gets to 60 in under 8 seconds, and has a better 0-40 time than a Mustang? Something like the EV1?

[doom2ruler]

How about not assaulting a car before it has even had a trial run for stats you don't know about? How about understanding that, like it or not, the EV-1 died (may it rest in peace and live on in the Volt.)? How about the concept of charging the car will do exactly that? How about not agreeing with conspiracy people simply because it's not being done in the way that they want it? I could go on, but I've only got 500 characters.

[liveoilfree]

GM is a liar.

[08TBSS]

and if the origional EV was THAT successful as a "ploy" to allow GM to continue selling cars in California....maybe the new volt will be more successful....

[liveoilfree]

It wasn't a ploy, it was forced on them by California regulators.

[08TBSS]

They are not ignoring the EV market right now, they are just producing something different...with LESS batteries because the car has a GAS ENGINE and an electric motor, which needs a fuel tank, and emissions gear, and has COMPLETELY different standards for emissions in the near future than an electric car....then you have to average in the price....they are trying to produce an affordable hybrid vehicle...not something you can lease like the EV1....

[liveoilfree]

We wanted to BUY the EV1, but GM thought so little of how much it was worth, they paid money to crush all of the 1999 NiMH versions.

GM doesn't make any sense, you are trying to make sense of them, but it's futile.

[GadgetMan777]

Actually, he made perfect sense. The Volt platform is a flex vehicle that would appeal to a wider range of consumers, including more price conscious ones. The RAV4 EV seems far from some perfect vehicle priced at nearly fifty thousand dollars. If the Volt came out with a price point like that, it would fall flat on it's face.

[PhatFarm60]

Who wanted an EV1 in 1999? Maybe a few people, but it would have been a money losing disaster for GM, somewhat akin to the Edsel...

Gas was under a dollar a gallon in 1999, the general public had no desire for such a car.

I don't care about living oil free if the gas is cheap. And why not use hydrogen? Oh! It takes electricity to produce hydrogen out of water... So what! USA has a 250 year supply of coal to burn to make hydrogen.....get it done!!

[Devast8ion]

How about not wanting to put money in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists and obese tycoons?

[08TBSS]

The reason why they are having problems with what you are talking about is because they are NOT building an Electric Vehicle.....they are building a hybrid vehicle....if them going slow with it produces a hybrid car that has better mileage and cheaper repair parts than a prius....it would hit the mark that they are trying to get...

[08TBSS]

You drove right by my house...ha ha...nice to see Seal beach getting on the net. Do you drive around that area often? Seal Beach BLVD and Bolsa/Anchor Way I havent seen an EV rav-4 around there yet, even though I sit at that light what seems like an hour between cycles. If I see you I will wave and give you the thumbs up for the EV RAV-4....I liked the EV1 better (a friend's family had one), but those proved to be a wee bit hard to hold onto unless you were a museum...

[08TBSS]

Something else I haven't seen anyone say is that these companies basically design cars to do the same thing...Make Money...if something is going to make them money SURE they will drag it out a few years as a "guaranteed" money source. Some people might have forgotten that these companies are here to make money. Sometimes it's a popularity contest, and a PR fest.

[08TBSS]

I still haven't seen anyone say that if GM's EV1 was just a drop in the EV bucket so that they could continue selling cars in California back then....maybe the volt will be even better.....and because the avid enthusiasts who can interpret the technical descriptions of the EV systems these vehicles potentially use durring production.... could just build the same thing themselves...and that may be why they are saying the things that they are.

[diggingforgold]

Strap a genset on your RAV-4 EV. Come on, you know you want to! Even if you rarely used it, it would be an excellent proof of concept. It would also humiliate GM seeing a 5 year old EV with all the features that the Volt will have but with 5x the all-electric range.

I see tons of HEV conversions to PHEV, and ICE conversions to EV, but never any EV conversions to PHEV.

[terrorist420x]

Gensets add weight and reduce performance. That, and getting them to work properly is an engineering feat in itself. They add complexity, defeating the purpose most have in mind for an EV.

If he wanted to increase range, he'd be better off finding ways to improve aerodynamic efficiency and reduce rolling resistance. Much easier and cheaper.

[adamackels]

I see people just don't get it. Haven't you realized that the wheels don't turn at all until either somebody makes something better than them (i.e. Toyota prius, and GM has nothing) or has to be mandated, meaning the EV1. The Volt should of been here 8 years ago, not 2010. They HAVE the technoligy, they choose NOT to use it, are you that blind? Better wake up soon!

[diggingforgold]

They *had* the technology, and it would have been cheap by now if they kept producing it. NiMH EV95 would have worked fine (albeit a bit heavy), but GM gave it away to the oil industry. Bye-bye cheap NiMH, hello expensive LI-ION. Now we have to wait 10 more years for the batteries to mature enough so that the average American can get a 300 mile range at a price tag that they can afford.

It's not about technological barriers. It's about production costs. Can we produce a good EV for under $25K?

[ryddragyn]

I will echo both LP AND the actual volt development team in saying that the obstacle is NOT technology or research, it's systems integration and getting all the supply and manufacturing ducks in order. 2010 is pretty reasonable.You've said it yourself- what we need is production, not research. Well, like it or not, proper mass production takes time.

Your anti-volt videos are becoming just angry, irrational diatribes at this point. Make your next one when you take a test drive.

[liveoilfree]

The VOLT is a shuck; GM could do it now, if it were more than a PR ploy.

Already, Wagoner is weaseling on the 2010 date; they don't know how to do it, and don't want to make it.

[terrorist420x]

They do know how to do it, they probably don't want to. While my opinion is that the Volt is Vapourware and much evidence seems to point to this(eg. a case of All laundry detergent under the hood!), their recent modification of the Volt's aerodynamics seems to indicate some sincerity, as the original 0.3 Cd is pretty mediocre. I could be wrong about the Volt being vaporware, and I hope I am.

GM has historically been anything but sincere.

[liveoilfree]

LP, I hear what you're saying; but it's just difficult to believe, since we HAD the car we wanted, superior to the VOLT so far as range goes, more than 10 years ago.

[LovePontiac]

GM isn't going slow. They just haven't been working on it for very long. From what I've read it sounds like they weren't even going to make it. But Bob Lutz went around telling everyone they could do it, which created a lot of hype.

Making a new car takes a long time. Hell they've been working on the Camaro since 2001, and that wont be out until next year at best. And that's a car they KNOW how to build. Most people in the auto industry think 2010 is too aggressive of a target.

[capnthepeafarmer]

GM says a lot of things. However if GM does produce the VOLT i would buy it.

Also GM can build anything they want at anytime, the only thing they are really focusing on is what sells. Right now they think that low volume hybrids are not the way, instead they look at where are all the tax credits going. Unfortunately GM is wrapped up in economics and popularity and politics, where as the Japanese automakers will get shit done!

[liveoilfree]

Thing is, they ALREADY HAD a 160 mile range EV1!!!  In 1998!!

[bjhorton2005]

amen