Wayyyyyyy. Well what do you expect? If i told you you're mom was a whore (which is an insult as is saying gays are going to hell) you'd be pissed too.
@dillondownie Gays are going to hell you naive fuck twat. What a rebellious generation all of you college fucks are. Shame on your parents for not teaching you about God.
No, we just don't want people shoving anti-choice bullshit at us. There's a day care right near that area of campus where the little kids of the students are typically playing. They also have posters with aborted fetuses on them. We're not weird, we just have more tack and don't like people shoving their close-minded views down our throats. We don't care if you're Christian, we don't hate Christians since many of us are, we hate people who try to take away our rights.
@Luckylee218 Anti-choice my ass, you're pro-abortion. You liberals are the ones who sue to get rid of Christianity yet you would welcome a radical Islamist to campus with open arms. You're the same kind who wouldn't allow the ROTC on campus while rolling out the red carpet for Amhadinejad. You're the ones who are close-minded anti-Christian bigots.
@StoogeWatcher - . It's a safe bet you don't have a clue what a liberal or free speech is. Hating free speech is contrary to the very definition of a liberal. I know you didn't understand that & I'm well aware you have no facts, evidence, or argument to back up your silly pronouncement . That's par for the course when it comes to dim witted creationists such as yourself.
If there wasn't unwelcome protesters infiltrating the campus in the first place, none of this would have happened. Obvious solution to the problem is clear as day.
@DarkPhoenix8101987 actually the sabbath day is saturday. And you can tell when its saturday by looking at the moon, not looking, more like stareing at it.
Nothing like an old-fashioned culture war to get people ticked off about things that don't really matter. You're not going to convince each other ... so why worry? Just get on with your life and enjoy it!
I hate 'religion' too. Religion is a bunch of man made rules and regulations to give one person or one "religious" group power over others. Christians have a direct sinner/savior; child/father ;and other types of RELATIONSHIP with God Himself. So, yes, I agree with you on those "religious" people, but we should not hate them, we should teach them the truth of Christ. You with me? ha ha Have a blessed Christmas!
Thanks, but I'll leave all of that "teaching" to you. A merry christmas would do just fine btw, I must admit I rather enjoy celebrating your pagan ritual holiday. Happy Winter Solstice to you!!!!
The world hates God and the holiness, perfection, and laws of God. This is why the world is wraught with anger, sadness, illnesses, heartache, sin, jealousy, diseases, etc. Just keep on hating him y'all, and see where that gets you. May I point out that I am a member of Oathkeepers and know Stuart personally. May I also point out that within this PEACEFUL demonstration it was the God HATERS who got angry and violent, NOT the God lovers. So now what????
Oh Lord, if I hear ONE MORE lame excuse of "the bible has been written XXX times" and any other crap I think I'm going to hurl. I used to try to make these lame excuses too. And to you pinheads who mention Hitler, WHERE on earth does anyone think that Hitler was man of God? Moses, Noah, Peter, John, Matthew, THEY are men of God. I'm a woman of God. You're all a bunch of idiots and I have no patience for the "willfully ignorant" any longer. Keep hating God, you'll get what you deserve!
Christians, do us all a favor and keep your fairy tales and false perceptions of reality in your own living room, haven't you done enough damage to this world?
I don't think you would be able to rationally classify evolution or the disbelief in a god as a fairy tale. Evolution is backed by entire libraries of evidence and data, God is not. We are not here because some father-like deity wanted to create the soap opera of humanity for his own amusement. We are the descendents of a DNA molecule from billions of years ago. You can cover your ears and pretend its not the truth, but thats the way it is.
Your statements are all based on assumption. You assume that what these supposed libraries hold is "evidence." I challenge you to link me to one shred of it. You assume there is no information proving the existence of God, when in reality this is so well documented it would take someone completely ignorant to ignore it. The argument from cosmology, the argument from design, the argument of conscience, the historical figure of Jesus...I could go on...
Well if youre interested in reading up on the validity of evolution Ill just suggest you give Darwins Origin of Species a read, or the new Richard Dawkins book, The Greatest Show on Earth. As far as what you consider to be the evidence for god, I am not convinced. First of all, I dont even know what argument there is in cosmology for it. Second, the argument of design fails because it leaves out the question, who designed god.
Third, conscience is a configuration of chemical reactions in the brain, so I dont know how that implies a creator. Fourth, the historical figure of Jesus has been written and rewritten by multiple authors throughout history, so the credibility there fails.
Oh whats this, the watchmaker argument? That doesnt work either, because even a highly skilled and proficient watchmaker, also had a maker. You cant say that an infinitely complex creator of the universe has been around forever, cause then you might as well just say that an atomic/material universe has been around forever. As for that evidence, I already suggested in my last post two books that explain and lay out the case for evolution, but youll find a lot of good videos on youtube too.
God by definition is outside the system. He created time, space, and matter. But back to the original challenge: You cite books but can't state an argument? I'm still waiting.
You asked me to provide evidence, and I cited two books that explain the evidence. Im not going to get caught up in a text argument outlining the intricate workings of biology (especially since I can only type 500 characters per message). You say god is outside the system and basically doesnt have to adhere to the laws of the universe, but you provide no evidence for this. It was just something that you contrived to explain something you do not know.
You can pin every miscaracterization and straw man you have about theists and/or Christians, but that won't change the fact that you are incapable of offering proof for macro evolution. I can cite a good argument for God in one sentence. "Design implies a Designer." Now, let's hear something that at least hints that there's some proof for macro evolution. If all you can cite are books that's equivalent to me just saying, "Well, read the Bible," Which of course you would accept right?
I wouldn't accept "Well, read the Bible" because the Bible has no credibility as it was written and revised at least 40 times over hundreds of years, would you agree? When Darwin wrote Origin of Species, he used scientific evidence from the Galapogos Islands to argue for natural selection. I don't see how you deduce from "Design implies a Designer" to "The designer must therefore be the God of Christianity". The fossil record is sufficient evidence for macroevolution so stop evading this.
That's laughable! I'm the one evading? I'll give you one last shot at this (what is this your sixth try?). Give some specific evidence for macro evolution. The "fossil record" isn't specific. That would be like me saying, "Jesus existed, just look at history."
Yeah well first of all, you were the one who responded to me and started this exchange. I was in no way initially trying to get into an evolution debate. Your not going to observe macro evolution in real time because it takes millenia, so we see it in the Fossil Record. Look at the similarity man has in Hominoids, combined with the fact that our DNA is over 99 percent identical to a chimpanzee as well as our similar behavior on the basic level. This is irrelevant?
Its not like evidence is going to persuade you anway. You would just come up with some lousy excuse for it. If I convinced you of evolution, you would probably say "yeah, but god made evolution so god made man". I'll put my faith into empircal evidence that stands the test of scrutiny among scientists, rather than take your theory which is something like "god exists, trust me" when it comes to defining reality. People will accept evidence or they will accept fairty tales. SEE YA
That's very outdated and manipulated evidence you cite. icr(dot)org/article/4624
Even if it were granted to be true, it still isn't proof. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "you're not going to observe macro evolution." You're right, and science requires observation. I'd rather not put my faith in fairy tales either, you should consider the same.
you moron, if it weren't for us Christians, the world would be a MUCH worse place! We are the ones who are doing good deeds, representing Jesus, and preaching his gospel to other so that they also may be saved from Hell. Prove that God's word is 100% wrong in every way, study hisory, look at today in light of His prophecies, and tell me otherwise. Go ahead, PROVE GOD'S LAWS AND GRACE AND MERCY AND DEEDS AND HISTORY 100% inaccurate, and then we'll talk. Idiot. I'm fed up with ignorance!
Christianity is just a excuse to hate. Just because "it says so in the bible" people think they can hate gays or blow up abortion clinics. I don't give a shit what anyone says this is a secular society and is only gonna get worse for christians as more people realize that there is no god. Christianity is almost dead, atheism and agnosticism is the fastest growing belief system.
Hmm...that makes sense. I mean Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and Lenin were really really great people! We just need more people who believed what they did, and less people who believe in things like "Though shalt not murder."
Yeah Hitler was a big christian, so good point. I gotta call you out on the "though shalt not kill" thing, I have been atheist my whole life and I have never felt the need to do any harm to anyone. Also, almost the entire prison population is christian. The actual percentage of athiests in prison is a lot smaller than the percentage of atheists on the outside. So ah.....massive fail again. Its obvious that christianity leads to low moral values.
I don't see one statement in this paragraph which can actually be said to be true. For the sake of time, I'll only address one of them. Hitler was a big Christian? No he wasn't! He used the catholic church for his own benefit at times, but he was militantly anti-Christian. Cite your evidence that he was a big "Christian."
WTF? Almost the WHOLE prison population is Christian? Are you a moron or what? Anyone who is out committing haneous crimes is NOT a Christian! They may give their life to Christ when they realize that He is all they have, all they ever needed, but not WHEN they're committing crimes! All you have to do is look at videos like this or just TALK to someone about Jesus. I witness on the streets, and I can attest that JESUS is the most hated name in the world! Only Christians HAVE moral values
I am a student at KU and Christian, but I in no way support your cause. Jesus taught about loving everyone, no matter what, that is not what you do. Jesus would not have approved of anything that went on there that day. Since that day however, the students of KU turn the other cheek and ignore you, everytime you come to attack us, and therefore I believe that we are acting more in the way of Christ. What do you think you are accomplishing by coming to schools and doing this?
We come to KU to preach the message of Jesus. That is to, 'repent and believe the Gospel". It says in the Bible, blessed is he (or she) who is found to be not offended in/by Me. Using the law of God and the 10 commandments are not to provoke people or offend them. It is intended to show them their need for a Savior. It's what Jesus did. If your offended, your problem is with the Bible, not us. Lastly, we receive support from students, faculty and staff at KU. Same people your around every day!
I am a student at Kutztown University and a christian. We may not have handled this particular situation in the best way, but when you come on to our campus, and insult our students (which is what you did) it is hard to act rationally in the moment. these people acted exactly how you wanted them to, so that you could play the martyr. Since that day, everytime a group like yours has come to visit, we have just ignored you, and kept on walking by. Showing that we can be the bigger people.
This is hateful students that think they can have sex any way they see fit men with men women on women and animals tt probably these people are more intolerant than most.
After all, I will not lose sleep from your desire to believe Hebrew theology as being the absolute truth when compared to other belief systems throughout the world and its history. That is YOUR ball of wax. Not mine...
You are the one complaining that you have to reap what you sow according to this clip that you posted here. What? I do not understand how you just expect gay people to just listen to what you have to say while expecting them not to have a reaction to your liking.
Sir, you are stating utterly irrational things. And why the aggressive, unloving, intolerant hate speech? Open minded?! You mock a belief system you don't understand, attribute all its supposed negative qualities to a man whom you don't k now, and refuse to answer a basic question. Since you yourself said that it was acceptable to lie in your belief system (which you are doing about the Bible), and since you left foul comments on my other vid, you will be blocked.
It isn't hate speech - your religion IS infantile and stupid, just the same as the thousand other religions with some really old book and no empirical support. I am just as justified in saying this to you as the non-hateful father who tells his teenage son to stop believing in Santa Claus, because both are logical attacks on fallacy. I have no moral obligation to play pretend with you. I don't hate you, I just think you're stupid.
Yeah you're right. I mean, Stalin and Mao weren't hateful either. They just thought Christians were stupid. The same attitude resides with the clowns in this video. If it weren't for laws, this would have turned violent.
More dumb reasoning with a sample base of two. I will contradict with another sample base of two (Jawahrlal Nehru and Nelson Mandela) who also "just thought religion was stupid" and are amazing people. Deprecation of religion is still perfectly justified, try again.
It's laughable that you would even try to construe Nehru and Mandela to be people who thought religion was stupid, but that's beside the point I suppose. The point is that the anti-Christian activists in this clip are full of rage and hate, not tolerance.
Seems clear to me. Precisely what it sayd. I do not tiptoe and speak in vague ambiguousterms like your God apparently demonstrates in your Holy Bible. You see? I am frank...and honest and open minded enough to discovery. YOU apparently are not. You know what? I expected more from a college educated person.
Ahhh...but times is a-wasting for you! Not for me... You see, I have the truth by my side. YOU do not. Again, to deny this would be lying. Right? Look within the deepest depths of your being. You know that your belief system and justifications for them is ALL complete falsehood. Just admit that TRUTH. That's all you have to do. Assuming that you will do that for yourself, you would be halfway there though when all is said and done.
Interesting. Actually, no I do not believe that tthe world exists to make me happy. However, what is relevent is that YOU repent for being Christian. Would you like to know why? I will tell you. Christianity is a false religion. It is not the be all end all theological system that YOU assume that it is. Let's be honest here Christian as you are not allowed to lie. Me? Well, I can lie about anything I feel like. Yet, I hope, for your own peaceful experience in death; that you reject Christianity.
You stated, "The less REAL Christians (you know the bigots) there are in the world the happier I would be. Christians do more harm than good in the world. Obviously..."
So what did you mean by that statement? If you didn't mean that the world exists for your happiness, then why do you believe the world exists?
Instead of the crowd chanting "born again bigots go away;" they should have said "born again Christians go away." I think that was the point that was being made. It is my sincere belief that it is through the Christians that are the largest obstacle to be overcome in the pursuit of justice for the GLBT community. The less REAL Christians (you know the bigots) there are in the world the happier I would be. Christians do more harm than good in the world. Obviously...
body but held these graphic images up immediately in front of our day care center as the children were going to lunch. Thats what seems to be lost here. Two and Three year olds were exposed to this as were people subjected to hate for their lifestyle views which is against the American way of life.
The individual that posted this video is full of crap. I was here for this as it happened during three of my four years at Kutztown University.
Repent America - a group of extremist Christians that do not understand the Lord's principles of forgiveness and that only he shall judge - came onto our campus.
They held up signs protesting abortion, pre-marital sex and homosexuality. In doing so they held up pictures of aborted fetuses. In doing this they not only onset and berated part of our...
i dont get it...are these people yelling and screaming at christians??? or is it the othger way around? why would you make such a ridiculis scene over something soo stupid? Just kepe your opinoons to yourself. Im a christian I GOTO KU and I just wlak away. Keep my mouth shut. I dont need to rpove nothing to no one. PLus college is for learning and drinking, lol, not this bullshit
At 7:47 the police took away a student who decided to "fauxtest" to try and divert people from what was becoming a very heated scene with humor. His sign read "Equal Rights for Robots" (a nod to TV show "Futurama"). You can hear his voice around 6:20. As he's being taken away, you can hear the disbelief in several students' voices (as well as some chuckling).
The Kutztown policeman who arrested him got in trouble for this in court as the student did nothing wrong (besides being humorous).
hahaha intolerace toward Christians...thats rich! Christians are the most intolerant people ever, especially the ones who come and protest at KU all the time!
As far as KU is concerned the religious right comes to our campus with their signs that read "Fags suck" "God hates fags" Fags should die". I dont know about you but I call that intolerance. Its sick really. Religion preaches tolerance but teaches intolerance.
Look at your examples: "The crusades. (all 8 of them)" - Defensive wars fought to liberate Christian territory and peoples from Muslim invaders. Next:
"Murder of the native americans." What Christian did that in the name of Christianity? And when did Native American savages NOT murder each other?
"The KKK (racism)"
Protestants. Not Christians, but Protestant Christians - and not the teaching of any Church.
The Crusades started as an offensive front. They took Jerusalem killing muslem men woman and children who were completely innocent.
The native americans were forced to assimilate to the christian culture or they were killed. A lot of them, if they did not assimilate they were forced into slavery.
Protestant is the same as christian, both have no alliance toward the Pope.
LMFAO @ your ignorance, no wonder you go to a S#$% hole like KU
Most of the mi east were part of a Christian empire known as the Byzantine Empire until fanatic Moslems invaded it
BTW apparently (according to your stupidity), it wasn't Christians because they were Catholics lol
Ntives were forced to assimilate to the Christian culture? Some were, many weren't Some were treated as a foreign to be to be defeated. Spanish treated natives differently than English botj differently than French.
My ignorance? I am only stating truths of other peoples ignorance I am not lying or threatin any other group because of what they believe in.
Christianity was not a major religion then. It was not the official religion until Constantine took power. But Christianity is a branch of Catholicism so they may not have been the direct aggressors but they were still involved. Religion brings hatred wherever it goes.
"many weren't"? The office of Indian affairs used missionaries for assimilation!
capitolsoccer: you've been listening too much to those left-leaning profs on campus, haven't you? Here's a hint: avoid any history book written by Howard Zinn and others of his ilk, like Noam Chumpsky.
I know that leftists who hold anti-American and anti-Christian (basically any traditional and powerful institutions) views permeate all levels of academe.
I'd be nearly certain in those same classes there were loads of criticisms for the State of Israel but great outpourings of sympathy for the savages that have been terrorizing her Jewish citizenry for the last 60 years.
To classify leftists as anti-American and anti-Christian just goes to show how much of a bigoted idiot you are. America has a two party system...Democrat and Republican...neither are anti-American. Save you bs for someone else pls.
Frankly I could care less about the state of Israel, America has too many problems in itself.
Exists among all groups - including among Homosexuals by the way. Even the Dali Lama denounced homosexuality as gravely disordered, unnatural. He's not Christian.
"Civil war in Ireland."
The fault of Protestants - not Christians, but specifically some Protestants.
"Bigotry "
Exists among all groups - including Homosexuals as demonstrated by the vitriol coming from any California gays after Prop 8.
Clearly, capitolsoccer, you aren't too familiar with how the "Religion of Peace" (Islam) stands on the subject of homosexuality. But then, Christians are held to a different standard, right?
This breaks my heart. It is sad when the disorderly crowd is allowed to stamp on the peaceful groups freedom of speech but yet it is the peaceful group that are arrested & driven off campus.
The example of the silent protest (not silent witness) by the KU Women's Center hardly impacted on the behavior of this viciously intolerant crowd, didn't it?
College faculties aren't tools for the left? Can you deny that the amount of Obama/Biden signs seen on campus during the campaign far far outstripped the amount of McCain/Palin signs? AFSCME and PASSHE are firmly in the pockets of the Democrat Party, there's no denying that.
This is the product of their bias on public display,
The mature thing to do would have been to peacefully allow them their freedom of speech, instead of taunting and ridiculing them like an angry mob.
Why are liberal points of view the only points of view worthy of tolerance? This is proof that college kids are being brainwashed to become useful idiots for the American Left.
Tensions were high. You showed up the week of the shooting in Virginia Tech and the day of the gay and lesbian day of silence. You're lucky running you off campus was the only thing we did to you. We were in no mood for your bullshit.
Considering I graduated from Kutztown University and I don't remember any of that happening I suppose the answer is yes?
In any case when this happened in the future liberal, let me repeat that, liberal student groups like the KU Women's center and Allies were the ones that made sure that the Evangelical protesters were not interrupted and their freedom of speech was not violated by instituting a silent witness program so your point is moot.
Wow, imagine college students afraid of entertaining points of view that they disagree with or that make them feel uncomfortable. Higher education is supposed to be about more than getting drunk and getting laid. It's about opening your mind to different things, no matter how distasteful!
No they would never picket a personals funeral. They don't picket or protest, they preach. Repent America has stated numerous times publicly that they don't agree with the message of "God hates". They are not looking for lawsuits. The lawsuits are filed as a last resort to uphold civil liberties.
there is no rope in front of me - its imaginary. one that your kind dreamed up and only you can see, a delusion, mirage, a security blanket to give comfort to the deranged, so when horrible things happen, they can lean on the irrepressible logic: "it was meant to be."
No I liken your example to a man who's drowning but doesn't believe in water, or that he is drowning. The lifeguard still has a responsibility to reason with him, even if his mind is so blinded.
i believe when someone or something is so incredibly wrong on so many levels the problem needs to be addressed. and if they are concerned for my safety, then best thing is to pack up and go away. you keep people safe by throwing a match into a volatile situation. they had their own agenda, with the offensive signs and slogans, and peoles safety was not at the top of the list. it seems to me that if they want to let people know how to be saved, a flier woulda done it.
Why so sensitive? If it's all not true, then all you had to do was walk away. They were in one particular area on campus, you could have avoided them all you wanted.
Well, if you know anything about "repent america," the organization who was mobbed at Kutztown, you'd know that they don't try to save people. They try to let people know how they can be saved. Big difference. A more appropriate analogy would be there's a rope in front of you, and they're encouraging you to grab it and come to safety. They're concern is for your safety, but all you seem to want to do is criticize them.
Of course, the other circumstance is if you see a person floating down the river unconscience, one assumes the person is in need of help, but incapable of asking for it. So naturally you would want to help. Lets not forget that some people intentionally try to drown themselves in a river, and if you try to "save" them, they just might resist. And now Im sure you'll twist this around into me advocating suicide- which Im not- just presenting all cases. I hope I didnt use too many big words.
I was looking for an answer to this question, "If you were drowning would you reject a life saver because it was thrown within the realm of 'your business?'" It's a yes or no question.
Aww, too bad! That would be easy wouldnt it? Typical, just like blindly following an all knowing santa claus! Remove all responsibility from decision making. "I han choice, god commands it." The real world is NOT black/white or yes/no. I would presume if I were drowning I would want someone to save me provided I wasnt the one who jumped in river intentionally, I hope things never get so bad that I consider that...but I dont know the future- no thing does.
is that what i said? no. no thing knows the future not because i cant...but because it violates the laws of physics. time goes in one direction, and no thing can get around that. no thing can see the future.
Sadly, those racists were asked by their college to come and speak, We didnt ask the born again bigots to show up, they took it upon themselves to "save" us and THAT was the problem. Keep your noses outta other people business.
Wait? Did you just say them trying to save you is a problem? If you were drowning would you reject a life saver because it was thrown within the realm of "your business?"
Actually that is really good example! Lets examine this. If you see a person floating down the river and splashing and makking a big ol' ruckus, do you jump in and "save" them? No you dont. You just figure that theyre having a good ol' time frollicking in the river. You dont jump in until "help me" is uttered. To do otherwise - jump in and save them nothing - makes you look like an ass. I wonder how Repent America looked while at the Day of Silence Rally?? HMM.
Hmmm Funny that people get all bent out of shape because some Christians protest on a college campus supported by their tax dollars. I believe I've heard of colleges allowing racists like Louis Farrakhan make speeches on campus and I believe a former hostage taker/terrorist and who is now the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (who denies Israel's right to exist), made a moronic speech at Columbia University. Methinks I detect just a wee bit of hypocrisy from many of you.
Haha fucking stupid radical Christians. Im attending KU this year as a freshman (and i am an atheist). They need to keep their preaching in their church! If we wanted to hear it we would come to your fucking church. All the street preaching does is cause a problem.
Welcome to KU Junior, you'll get to hear them for yourself this year. Hey, the fool says in his heart that there is no God. You fit right in at KU...HA!
After watching this i have to say im ashamed to be a kutztown student, they way you all acted is ridiculous. Congratulations your fate is now your own
Ah the protestors. I remember this day. The funny thing is while they were out there I was in my dorm writing a speech on why gay marriage should be allowed in the U.S. Then of course they came back eventually with giant posters of aborted fetuses strung up near the Learning Center where the little kids play. That time though we had Silent Witness so fights wouldn't break out again.
Yeah it is a bunch of bunch that so many heterosexuals can't evolve beyond the mental capacity of a high school cheerleader and feel the need to attack others that are different. It is even bigger bunk that people can't figure out they will never quench the christian, muslim and jewish blood god's thirst or force everyone to bow down to it.
Look...atheists and sodomites alike can be very aggressive. Being aggressive is part of human nature, not something that is determined by religion. Religion can sometimes motivate and harness that aggression, but it is not the cause of it....now then, what you have written has nothing to do with the video...so let's get back on the topic of this particular video. How many people were hurt by the big bully Christians? :(
So how many wars have atheist and sodomites started and how many have christians muslims and jews started? There is a big difference so obviously religion does have a lot to do with it. And we are on the topic when religious nuts are allowed to start trying to force their beliefs on others it ends with people getting hurt and killed. Keep it in your homes and churches after the last 7 years america has finally had it with religous oppression and hate mongering.
No again you're trying to narrow the topic and say because no one was beaten no one was hurt. Tell me this how many people are hurt by a klan rally or an arian nation march? How many are hurt when jewish grave are desecrated? Or better yet how many are hurt when homosexuals get married or kiss or date or anything else?
Hitler was elected by the German people, democracy will elect the anti-Christ. George Bush is a Skull and Bones brotherhood of death member. Sadly most people think he is Christian...just like they thought Hitler was. If you think that is Christianity...you've been fooled.
I am a christian and know my vs-your barking up the wrong tree and missing every point being made, read everything before you point a finger....Thank You and have a nice day
2 Psalms 1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Homosexuals aren't miserable people by far,only defensive when they're poked,kinda like you. The only reason you really keep on posting, is because you have a different point of veiw,my husband was ordained a minister ,but walked away from it because of beliefs like yours. I think he's right when he says all of those who openly hate while hiding behind christ, are those who will truely BURN in hell
Hmmm...you're so openly loving to all of us Christians! You're accusing us Christians of doing what you're doing right now...hating. I never said all homosexuals are miserable. Sin is fun for a season, I'm sure there are quite a few having a blast. However, I made the claim that those who try to balance Christianity with homosexuality must be miserable, because they are totally against each other. Don't mis-characterize my words.
Don't use hearsay as the gospel, if you weren't there, you DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. That's my point. So that's why there are gay and lesbian ministers . And don't come back with that's a luthern thing or whatever because I'll remind you that the definition of a christian is one who believes in christ. Protesants,evengelical,baptist,catholics etc etc are ALL christains. I dislike the fact that you find it all right to disrespect a group of folks and purposely disturb the peace.
YEAH, YOU did say they were miserable, trying to be christian and gay, remember? If you didn't mean it it should have never been posted.I real christian would never ostrisize some one,that is what they did and you're doing. It is a sin to cause public duress intentionally that is what they did,maliciously.Christ is about Love and understanding or were those pages torn out of your bible.Read it dont hide behind it.Stop minding everyone elses bussiness and worry about your own soul.
Um, deep inside homosexuals ARE miserable people, just like ALL people who are wrapped up in any sort of sin. If your husband was a minister, that doesn't necessarily mean that he completely was saved or even understood God's view of sin. God HATES sin, does He not? YES, He says that He does and He shows us that He does. Unrepentant sinners will NOT be allowed into THE perfect place, Heaven. God would be corrupt if He let unrepentant sinners in.
You are truly delusional if you believe for even one moment that I'm miserable being gay.
i am so thrilled to be out of the closet and free from the non-sense of religion.
As for this video obviously there is bad blood between christians and gays. It may have something to do with the way christians have oppressed and even killed gays for being gay.
1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
My friends went to Kutztown University and quite a few of them are homosexual. They told me about this disgusting display of bigotry and I can tell you now that if I was there, I would have been arrested because I would not have stood for this atrocity. Whoever was involved with this needs to be shot. Seriously. If Jesus is supposed to love everyone, he would love gays and lesbians too. And he would be pissed at anyone involved in this for calling themselves christian. This is sickening.
Jesus love people enough to want the best for them. God's best is obviously not homosexuality. I know people who were at the riot too. Trust me, you wouldn't have been arrested. The Christians were the ones arrested because the school is bigoted.
"Is it loving to let someone go to hell without warning them?"
1. there is no evidence to show that homosexuals do suffer in an afterlife
2. there is a difference between warning people and forcing your religion onto others. it's ok to say "my religion says homosexuals go to hell" but it is not ok to say "homosexuality should be illegal because it conflicts with my personal beliefs."
Oh riggghhhttt... back to the Hitler thing. Hitler was an atheist. These people are Christians. Hitler used the state, these people aren't (ironically the homosexual crowd has the state on their side.) Hitler made the Jews out like people who were haters. The Christians also made out the homosexuals....ohh wait a minute!! I'm sorry, the homosexuals are the ones making the Christians out to be haters. oooppss.
First of all take some history lessons sweetie, Hitler was a jew turned Christian and an blatent homosexual who carried on many affairs with his top men...no pun intended, He used the christian religion for his own purpose, if you weren't a christian you were basically screwed...JEW, PAGAN,MUSLIM WERE ALL forced out of Germany one way or an other.
Hmmm...Hitler was a homosexual...that really helps your case...and btw, I'm a history major...I live and breath it. Hitler was not a Christian, but you are correct when you say that he used the church.
Fuck Christians.
Racend 6 months ago
Wayyyyyyy. Well what do you expect? If i told you you're mom was a whore (which is an insult as is saying gays are going to hell) you'd be pissed too.
dillondownie 8 months ago
@dillondownie Gays are going to hell you naive fuck twat. What a rebellious generation all of you college fucks are. Shame on your parents for not teaching you about God.
MrBongo43 4 months ago
@MrBongo43 by adding the words 'college fucks' I'm assuming you're anti-education. it Shows.
dillondownie 4 months ago
Where are the Amish students? After all, Kutztown is the Capital of Pennsylvania Dutch Country.
Fersomling 9 months ago
Democrats are hypocrites. They support radical Islam.
StoogeWatcher 10 months ago
@JASONNHENCHMENN
No, we just don't want people shoving anti-choice bullshit at us. There's a day care right near that area of campus where the little kids of the students are typically playing. They also have posters with aborted fetuses on them. We're not weird, we just have more tack and don't like people shoving their close-minded views down our throats. We don't care if you're Christian, we don't hate Christians since many of us are, we hate people who try to take away our rights.
Luckylee218 11 months ago
@Luckylee218 Anti-choice my ass, you're pro-abortion. You liberals are the ones who sue to get rid of Christianity yet you would welcome a radical Islamist to campus with open arms. You're the same kind who wouldn't allow the ROTC on campus while rolling out the red carpet for Amhadinejad. You're the ones who are close-minded anti-Christian bigots.
StoogeWatcher 10 months ago
Where is the irony? I didnt see any clowns die.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
Kudos to the students for taking a stand against unfounded Bronze Age bullshit !!!
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago 5
@MaitreyaRocket We all know that liberals hate free speech.
StoogeWatcher 10 months ago
@StoogeWatcher - . It's a safe bet you don't have a clue what a liberal or free speech is. Hating free speech is contrary to the very definition of a liberal. I know you didn't understand that & I'm well aware you have no facts, evidence, or argument to back up your silly pronouncement . That's par for the course when it comes to dim witted creationists such as yourself.
MaitreyaRocket 10 months ago
If there wasn't unwelcome protesters infiltrating the campus in the first place, none of this would have happened. Obvious solution to the problem is clear as day.
Florachild 1 year ago
great university, GREAT students- ignorant hate filled visitors disrupting classes.
GothProf 1 year ago
@GothProf Liberals are ignorant and hate filled. They hate Christians.
StoogeWatcher 10 months ago
It's easier to be born again than to grow up.
Rainmaker1113 1 year ago
Racist? No.
Sexist? Not strongly.
Anti-gay? Only because the Bible says it.
KnightOfLightning 1 year ago
@KnightOfLightning Then you should kill anybody who works on Sunday!
DarkPhoenix8101987 1 year ago
@DarkPhoenix8101987 actually the sabbath day is saturday. And you can tell when its saturday by looking at the moon, not looking, more like stareing at it.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
Nothing like an old-fashioned culture war to get people ticked off about things that don't really matter. You're not going to convince each other ... so why worry? Just get on with your life and enjoy it!
tbsla13 1 year ago
I hate 'religion' too. Religion is a bunch of man made rules and regulations to give one person or one "religious" group power over others. Christians have a direct sinner/savior; child/father ;and other types of RELATIONSHIP with God Himself. So, yes, I agree with you on those "religious" people, but we should not hate them, we should teach them the truth of Christ. You with me? ha ha Have a blessed Christmas!
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
Thanks, but I'll leave all of that "teaching" to you. A merry christmas would do just fine btw, I must admit I rather enjoy celebrating your pagan ritual holiday. Happy Winter Solstice to you!!!!
migraine516 2 years ago 2
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The world hates God and the holiness, perfection, and laws of God. This is why the world is wraught with anger, sadness, illnesses, heartache, sin, jealousy, diseases, etc. Just keep on hating him y'all, and see where that gets you. May I point out that I am a member of Oathkeepers and know Stuart personally. May I also point out that within this PEACEFUL demonstration it was the God HATERS who got angry and violent, NOT the God lovers. So now what????
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
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Oh Lord, if I hear ONE MORE lame excuse of "the bible has been written XXX times" and any other crap I think I'm going to hurl. I used to try to make these lame excuses too. And to you pinheads who mention Hitler, WHERE on earth does anyone think that Hitler was man of God? Moses, Noah, Peter, John, Matthew, THEY are men of God. I'm a woman of God. You're all a bunch of idiots and I have no patience for the "willfully ignorant" any longer. Keep hating God, you'll get what you deserve!
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
Christians, do us all a favor and keep your fairy tales and false perceptions of reality in your own living room, haven't you done enough damage to this world?
Silknitter87 2 years ago
I could say the same things about atheists and anyone who believes in evolution.
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
I don't think you would be able to rationally classify evolution or the disbelief in a god as a fairy tale. Evolution is backed by entire libraries of evidence and data, God is not. We are not here because some father-like deity wanted to create the soap opera of humanity for his own amusement. We are the descendents of a DNA molecule from billions of years ago. You can cover your ears and pretend its not the truth, but thats the way it is.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
Your statements are all based on assumption. You assume that what these supposed libraries hold is "evidence." I challenge you to link me to one shred of it. You assume there is no information proving the existence of God, when in reality this is so well documented it would take someone completely ignorant to ignore it. The argument from cosmology, the argument from design, the argument of conscience, the historical figure of Jesus...I could go on...
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
Well if youre interested in reading up on the validity of evolution Ill just suggest you give Darwins Origin of Species a read, or the new Richard Dawkins book, The Greatest Show on Earth. As far as what you consider to be the evidence for god, I am not convinced. First of all, I dont even know what argument there is in cosmology for it. Second, the argument of design fails because it leaves out the question, who designed god.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
Third, conscience is a configuration of chemical reactions in the brain, so I dont know how that implies a creator. Fourth, the historical figure of Jesus has been written and rewritten by multiple authors throughout history, so the credibility there fails.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
No one designed God, THAT'S WHY HE'S GOD!
Still waitin' on that evidence. . .
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
Oh whats this, the watchmaker argument? That doesnt work either, because even a highly skilled and proficient watchmaker, also had a maker. You cant say that an infinitely complex creator of the universe has been around forever, cause then you might as well just say that an atomic/material universe has been around forever. As for that evidence, I already suggested in my last post two books that explain and lay out the case for evolution, but youll find a lot of good videos on youtube too.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
God by definition is outside the system. He created time, space, and matter. But back to the original challenge: You cite books but can't state an argument? I'm still waiting.
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
You asked me to provide evidence, and I cited two books that explain the evidence. Im not going to get caught up in a text argument outlining the intricate workings of biology (especially since I can only type 500 characters per message). You say god is outside the system and basically doesnt have to adhere to the laws of the universe, but you provide no evidence for this. It was just something that you contrived to explain something you do not know.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
You can pin every miscaracterization and straw man you have about theists and/or Christians, but that won't change the fact that you are incapable of offering proof for macro evolution. I can cite a good argument for God in one sentence. "Design implies a Designer." Now, let's hear something that at least hints that there's some proof for macro evolution. If all you can cite are books that's equivalent to me just saying, "Well, read the Bible," Which of course you would accept right?
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
I wouldn't accept "Well, read the Bible" because the Bible has no credibility as it was written and revised at least 40 times over hundreds of years, would you agree? When Darwin wrote Origin of Species, he used scientific evidence from the Galapogos Islands to argue for natural selection. I don't see how you deduce from "Design implies a Designer" to "The designer must therefore be the God of Christianity". The fossil record is sufficient evidence for macroevolution so stop evading this.
Silknitter87 2 years ago
That's laughable! I'm the one evading? I'll give you one last shot at this (what is this your sixth try?). Give some specific evidence for macro evolution. The "fossil record" isn't specific. That would be like me saying, "Jesus existed, just look at history."
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
Yeah well first of all, you were the one who responded to me and started this exchange. I was in no way initially trying to get into an evolution debate. Your not going to observe macro evolution in real time because it takes millenia, so we see it in the Fossil Record. Look at the similarity man has in Hominoids, combined with the fact that our DNA is over 99 percent identical to a chimpanzee as well as our similar behavior on the basic level. This is irrelevant?
Silknitter87 2 years ago
Its not like evidence is going to persuade you anway. You would just come up with some lousy excuse for it. If I convinced you of evolution, you would probably say "yeah, but god made evolution so god made man". I'll put my faith into empircal evidence that stands the test of scrutiny among scientists, rather than take your theory which is something like "god exists, trust me" when it comes to defining reality. People will accept evidence or they will accept fairty tales. SEE YA
Silknitter87 2 years ago
That's very outdated and manipulated evidence you cite. icr(dot)org/article/4624
Even if it were granted to be true, it still isn't proof. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "you're not going to observe macro evolution." You're right, and science requires observation. I'd rather not put my faith in fairy tales either, you should consider the same.
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
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you moron, if it weren't for us Christians, the world would be a MUCH worse place! We are the ones who are doing good deeds, representing Jesus, and preaching his gospel to other so that they also may be saved from Hell. Prove that God's word is 100% wrong in every way, study hisory, look at today in light of His prophecies, and tell me otherwise. Go ahead, PROVE GOD'S LAWS AND GRACE AND MERCY AND DEEDS AND HISTORY 100% inaccurate, and then we'll talk. Idiot. I'm fed up with ignorance!
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
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WigatyBop 2 years ago
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Preaching hate really gels with the teachings of Christ, huh?
Those schlubs weren't arrested for taking part in a peaceful protest.
sbauman487 2 years ago
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sbauman487 2 years ago
At least we don't believe we came from a stone 4.6 billion years ago.
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
::facepalm::
migraine516 2 years ago
Christianity is just a excuse to hate. Just because "it says so in the bible" people think they can hate gays or blow up abortion clinics. I don't give a shit what anyone says this is a secular society and is only gonna get worse for christians as more people realize that there is no god. Christianity is almost dead, atheism and agnosticism is the fastest growing belief system.
kevin19713 2 years ago
Hmm...that makes sense. I mean Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and Lenin were really really great people! We just need more people who believed what they did, and less people who believe in things like "Though shalt not murder."
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
Yeah Hitler was a big christian, so good point. I gotta call you out on the "though shalt not kill" thing, I have been atheist my whole life and I have never felt the need to do any harm to anyone. Also, almost the entire prison population is christian. The actual percentage of athiests in prison is a lot smaller than the percentage of atheists on the outside. So ah.....massive fail again. Its obvious that christianity leads to low moral values.
kevin19713 2 years ago
I don't see one statement in this paragraph which can actually be said to be true. For the sake of time, I'll only address one of them. Hitler was a big Christian? No he wasn't! He used the catholic church for his own benefit at times, but he was militantly anti-Christian. Cite your evidence that he was a big "Christian."
RoarNoMore 2 years ago
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WTF? Almost the WHOLE prison population is Christian? Are you a moron or what? Anyone who is out committing haneous crimes is NOT a Christian! They may give their life to Christ when they realize that He is all they have, all they ever needed, but not WHEN they're committing crimes! All you have to do is look at videos like this or just TALK to someone about Jesus. I witness on the streets, and I can attest that JESUS is the most hated name in the world! Only Christians HAVE moral values
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
You can't be bigoted against bigotry. There is no irony involved.
xdadepsak 2 years ago
That doesn't even make sense.
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago
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@cowboy4ev2 thats because you are stupid
buff114 1 year ago
Why are there so many assholes cheering the violation of the Free Speech Rights of Christians? No doubt anti-Americans.
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
I am a student at KU and Christian, but I in no way support your cause. Jesus taught about loving everyone, no matter what, that is not what you do. Jesus would not have approved of anything that went on there that day. Since that day however, the students of KU turn the other cheek and ignore you, everytime you come to attack us, and therefore I believe that we are acting more in the way of Christ. What do you think you are accomplishing by coming to schools and doing this?
jbake101 2 years ago
We come to KU to preach the message of Jesus. That is to, 'repent and believe the Gospel". It says in the Bible, blessed is he (or she) who is found to be not offended in/by Me. Using the law of God and the 10 commandments are not to provoke people or offend them. It is intended to show them their need for a Savior. It's what Jesus did. If your offended, your problem is with the Bible, not us. Lastly, we receive support from students, faculty and staff at KU. Same people your around every day!
NEPASonsofThunder 2 years ago
I am a student at Kutztown University and a christian. We may not have handled this particular situation in the best way, but when you come on to our campus, and insult our students (which is what you did) it is hard to act rationally in the moment. these people acted exactly how you wanted them to, so that you could play the martyr. Since that day, everytime a group like yours has come to visit, we have just ignored you, and kept on walking by. Showing that we can be the bigger people.
jbake101 2 years ago
A lot of cops, judges and other government officials wipe their ass with our Bill Of Rights!
kinleyhard 2 years ago
This is hateful students that think they can have sex any way they see fit men with men women on women and animals tt probably these people are more intolerant than most.
tobieesuperbatt 2 years ago
After all, I will not lose sleep from your desire to believe Hebrew theology as being the absolute truth when compared to other belief systems throughout the world and its history. That is YOUR ball of wax. Not mine...
You are the one complaining that you have to reap what you sow according to this clip that you posted here. What? I do not understand how you just expect gay people to just listen to what you have to say while expecting them not to have a reaction to your liking.
j4unumber1 2 years ago
Sir, you are stating utterly irrational things. And why the aggressive, unloving, intolerant hate speech? Open minded?! You mock a belief system you don't understand, attribute all its supposed negative qualities to a man whom you don't k now, and refuse to answer a basic question. Since you yourself said that it was acceptable to lie in your belief system (which you are doing about the Bible), and since you left foul comments on my other vid, you will be blocked.
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago
It isn't hate speech - your religion IS infantile and stupid, just the same as the thousand other religions with some really old book and no empirical support. I am just as justified in saying this to you as the non-hateful father who tells his teenage son to stop believing in Santa Claus, because both are logical attacks on fallacy. I have no moral obligation to play pretend with you. I don't hate you, I just think you're stupid.
BboyVIRTUE 2 years ago
Yeah you're right. I mean, Stalin and Mao weren't hateful either. They just thought Christians were stupid. The same attitude resides with the clowns in this video. If it weren't for laws, this would have turned violent.
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago 3
More dumb reasoning with a sample base of two. I will contradict with another sample base of two (Jawahrlal Nehru and Nelson Mandela) who also "just thought religion was stupid" and are amazing people. Deprecation of religion is still perfectly justified, try again.
BboyVIRTUE 2 years ago
It's laughable that you would even try to construe Nehru and Mandela to be people who thought religion was stupid, but that's beside the point I suppose. The point is that the anti-Christian activists in this clip are full of rage and hate, not tolerance.
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago
"So what did you mean by that statement?"
Seems clear to me. Precisely what it sayd. I do not tiptoe and speak in vague ambiguousterms like your God apparently demonstrates in your Holy Bible. You see? I am frank...and honest and open minded enough to discovery. YOU apparently are not. You know what? I expected more from a college educated person.
j4unumber1 2 years ago
Ahhh...but times is a-wasting for you! Not for me... You see, I have the truth by my side. YOU do not. Again, to deny this would be lying. Right? Look within the deepest depths of your being. You know that your belief system and justifications for them is ALL complete falsehood. Just admit that TRUTH. That's all you have to do. Assuming that you will do that for yourself, you would be halfway there though when all is said and done.
j4unumber1 2 years ago
Interesting. Actually, no I do not believe that tthe world exists to make me happy. However, what is relevent is that YOU repent for being Christian. Would you like to know why? I will tell you. Christianity is a false religion. It is not the be all end all theological system that YOU assume that it is. Let's be honest here Christian as you are not allowed to lie. Me? Well, I can lie about anything I feel like. Yet, I hope, for your own peaceful experience in death; that you reject Christianity.
j4unumber1 2 years ago
You stated, "The less REAL Christians (you know the bigots) there are in the world the happier I would be. Christians do more harm than good in the world. Obviously..."
So what did you mean by that statement? If you didn't mean that the world exists for your happiness, then why do you believe the world exists?
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago
Instead of the crowd chanting "born again bigots go away;" they should have said "born again Christians go away." I think that was the point that was being made. It is my sincere belief that it is through the Christians that are the largest obstacle to be overcome in the pursuit of justice for the GLBT community. The less REAL Christians (you know the bigots) there are in the world the happier I would be. Christians do more harm than good in the world. Obviously...
j4unumber1 2 years ago
So the world exists to make you happy?
cowboy4ev2 2 years ago
body but held these graphic images up immediately in front of our day care center as the children were going to lunch. Thats what seems to be lost here. Two and Three year olds were exposed to this as were people subjected to hate for their lifestyle views which is against the American way of life.
BlaqOptic 2 years ago
The individual that posted this video is full of crap. I was here for this as it happened during three of my four years at Kutztown University.
Repent America - a group of extremist Christians that do not understand the Lord's principles of forgiveness and that only he shall judge - came onto our campus.
They held up signs protesting abortion, pre-marital sex and homosexuality. In doing so they held up pictures of aborted fetuses. In doing this they not only onset and berated part of our...
BlaqOptic 2 years ago
i dont get it...are these people yelling and screaming at christians??? or is it the othger way around? why would you make such a ridiculis scene over something soo stupid? Just kepe your opinoons to yourself. Im a christian I GOTO KU and I just wlak away. Keep my mouth shut. I dont need to rpove nothing to no one. PLus college is for learning and drinking, lol, not this bullshit
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mpegfailsafe 2 years ago
At 7:47 the police took away a student who decided to "fauxtest" to try and divert people from what was becoming a very heated scene with humor. His sign read "Equal Rights for Robots" (a nod to TV show "Futurama"). You can hear his voice around 6:20. As he's being taken away, you can hear the disbelief in several students' voices (as well as some chuckling).
The Kutztown policeman who arrested him got in trouble for this in court as the student did nothing wrong (besides being humorous).
Swaygazer 2 years ago
Technically he starts in around 6:00. Sorry about that!
Swaygazer 2 years ago
hahaha intolerace toward Christians...thats rich! Christians are the most intolerant people ever, especially the ones who come and protest at KU all the time!
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
how so?
banzai668593 2 years ago
Well lets take a look at history...
The crusades. (all 8 of them)
Murder of the native americans.
The KKK (racism)
Homosexual hatred.
Civil war in Ireland.
Bigotry
and so much more!
As far as KU is concerned the religious right comes to our campus with their signs that read "Fags suck" "God hates fags" Fags should die". I dont know about you but I call that intolerance. Its sick really. Religion preaches tolerance but teaches intolerance.
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
Look at your examples: "The crusades. (all 8 of them)" - Defensive wars fought to liberate Christian territory and peoples from Muslim invaders. Next:
"Murder of the native americans." What Christian did that in the name of Christianity? And when did Native American savages NOT murder each other?
"The KKK (racism)"
Protestants. Not Christians, but Protestant Christians - and not the teaching of any Church.
vladimir998 2 years ago
The Crusades started as an offensive front. They took Jerusalem killing muslem men woman and children who were completely innocent.
The native americans were forced to assimilate to the christian culture or they were killed. A lot of them, if they did not assimilate they were forced into slavery.
Protestant is the same as christian, both have no alliance toward the Pope.
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
LMFAO @ your ignorance, no wonder you go to a S#$% hole like KU
Most of the mi east were part of a Christian empire known as the Byzantine Empire until fanatic Moslems invaded it
BTW apparently (according to your stupidity), it wasn't Christians because they were Catholics lol
Ntives were forced to assimilate to the Christian culture? Some were, many weren't Some were treated as a foreign to be to be defeated. Spanish treated natives differently than English botj differently than French.
sernam116 2 years ago
My ignorance? I am only stating truths of other peoples ignorance I am not lying or threatin any other group because of what they believe in.
Christianity was not a major religion then. It was not the official religion until Constantine took power. But Christianity is a branch of Catholicism so they may not have been the direct aggressors but they were still involved. Religion brings hatred wherever it goes.
"many weren't"? The office of Indian affairs used missionaries for assimilation!
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
capitolsoccer: you've been listening too much to those left-leaning profs on campus, haven't you? Here's a hint: avoid any history book written by Howard Zinn and others of his ilk, like Noam Chumpsky.
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
Hmm nope sorry ive had my views long before i came to KU.
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
I know that leftists who hold anti-American and anti-Christian (basically any traditional and powerful institutions) views permeate all levels of academe.
I'd be nearly certain in those same classes there were loads of criticisms for the State of Israel but great outpourings of sympathy for the savages that have been terrorizing her Jewish citizenry for the last 60 years.
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
To classify leftists as anti-American and anti-Christian just goes to show how much of a bigoted idiot you are. America has a two party system...Democrat and Republican...neither are anti-American. Save you bs for someone else pls.
Frankly I could care less about the state of Israel, America has too many problems in itself.
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
"Homosexual hatred."
Exists among all groups - including among Homosexuals by the way. Even the Dali Lama denounced homosexuality as gravely disordered, unnatural. He's not Christian.
"Civil war in Ireland."
The fault of Protestants - not Christians, but specifically some Protestants.
"Bigotry "
Exists among all groups - including Homosexuals as demonstrated by the vitriol coming from any California gays after Prop 8.
vladimir998 2 years ago 2
Yes it does exsist among all but it is Christians who march and hold signs showing the most hatred toward them.
Protestants are Christians...
Christian bigotry is the worst tho. They claim to be all accepting and loving yet they bash anyone who is differnent.
capitolsoccer 2 years ago
Clearly, capitolsoccer, you aren't too familiar with how the "Religion of Peace" (Islam) stands on the subject of homosexuality. But then, Christians are held to a different standard, right?
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
i'm honestly not sure of what exactly is going on.. the vid is so crazy it's hard to get lol. can someone explain and tell me when this occured?
HSChick1 2 years ago
Needs more OC tear gas.
mcgeedigital 2 years ago
This breaks my heart. It is sad when the disorderly crowd is allowed to stamp on the peaceful groups freedom of speech but yet it is the peaceful group that are arrested & driven off campus.
1LifeUnderGod 2 years ago
The example of the silent protest (not silent witness) by the KU Women's Center hardly impacted on the behavior of this viciously intolerant crowd, didn't it?
College faculties aren't tools for the left? Can you deny that the amount of Obama/Biden signs seen on campus during the campaign far far outstripped the amount of McCain/Palin signs? AFSCME and PASSHE are firmly in the pockets of the Democrat Party, there's no denying that.
This is the product of their bias on public display,
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
The mature thing to do would have been to peacefully allow them their freedom of speech, instead of taunting and ridiculing them like an angry mob.
Why are liberal points of view the only points of view worthy of tolerance? This is proof that college kids are being brainwashed to become useful idiots for the American Left.
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
to think i live in kutztown too
KtownxXxKrazy 3 years ago
About a week later they were at the high school
snowboard529 3 years ago
Par for the course.The mob has people they don't like arrested.Happens in SF,DC,etc.
Intolerant and bigots reign.
crusadex 3 years ago
Tensions were high. You showed up the week of the shooting in Virginia Tech and the day of the gay and lesbian day of silence. You're lucky running you off campus was the only thing we did to you. We were in no mood for your bullshit.
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Jush9222 3 years ago
I see, so liberal professors can preach everyday how America does so much wrong in the world and you are fine with that?
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
Considering I graduated from Kutztown University and I don't remember any of that happening I suppose the answer is yes?
In any case when this happened in the future liberal, let me repeat that, liberal student groups like the KU Women's center and Allies were the ones that made sure that the Evangelical protesters were not interrupted and their freedom of speech was not violated by instituting a silent witness program so your point is moot.
Obviously 2 years ago
Water balloons guys, water balloons. That was all that was needed.
sean022 3 years ago
Stay off of our campus.
We are there to learn, and by being there, you are distracting us and just being a bother. Go preach somewhere else.
YouKnowFear 3 years ago 2
What a boneheaded statement! So it isn't possible to learn from those you disagree with?
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
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Jush9222 3 years ago
Wow, imagine college students afraid of entertaining points of view that they disagree with or that make them feel uncomfortable. Higher education is supposed to be about more than getting drunk and getting laid. It's about opening your mind to different things, no matter how distasteful!
KUTVgroucho 2 years ago
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Jush9222 3 years ago
No they would never picket a personals funeral. They don't picket or protest, they preach. Repent America has stated numerous times publicly that they don't agree with the message of "God hates". They are not looking for lawsuits. The lawsuits are filed as a last resort to uphold civil liberties.
christianresistance 3 years ago
there is no rope in front of me - its imaginary. one that your kind dreamed up and only you can see, a delusion, mirage, a security blanket to give comfort to the deranged, so when horrible things happen, they can lean on the irrepressible logic: "it was meant to be."
coach19604 3 years ago
No I liken your example to a man who's drowning but doesn't believe in water, or that he is drowning. The lifeguard still has a responsibility to reason with him, even if his mind is so blinded.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
i believe when someone or something is so incredibly wrong on so many levels the problem needs to be addressed. and if they are concerned for my safety, then best thing is to pack up and go away. you keep people safe by throwing a match into a volatile situation. they had their own agenda, with the offensive signs and slogans, and peoles safety was not at the top of the list. it seems to me that if they want to let people know how to be saved, a flier woulda done it.
coach19604 3 years ago
Why so sensitive? If it's all not true, then all you had to do was walk away. They were in one particular area on campus, you could have avoided them all you wanted.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
And if your idea of saving me is preaching to me from the river bank to "redeem" me-- screw ya! I want somebody who'll go find a rope!
coach19604 3 years ago
Well, if you know anything about "repent america," the organization who was mobbed at Kutztown, you'd know that they don't try to save people. They try to let people know how they can be saved. Big difference. A more appropriate analogy would be there's a rope in front of you, and they're encouraging you to grab it and come to safety. They're concern is for your safety, but all you seem to want to do is criticize them.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Of course, the other circumstance is if you see a person floating down the river unconscience, one assumes the person is in need of help, but incapable of asking for it. So naturally you would want to help. Lets not forget that some people intentionally try to drown themselves in a river, and if you try to "save" them, they just might resist. And now Im sure you'll twist this around into me advocating suicide- which Im not- just presenting all cases. I hope I didnt use too many big words.
coach19604 3 years ago
I was looking for an answer to this question, "If you were drowning would you reject a life saver because it was thrown within the realm of 'your business?'" It's a yes or no question.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Aww, too bad! That would be easy wouldnt it? Typical, just like blindly following an all knowing santa claus! Remove all responsibility from decision making. "I han choice, god commands it." The real world is NOT black/white or yes/no. I would presume if I were drowning I would want someone to save me provided I wasnt the one who jumped in river intentionally, I hope things never get so bad that I consider that...but I dont know the future- no thing does.
coach19604 3 years ago
No one knows the future, just because you don't? What a prideful thing to say.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
is that what i said? no. no thing knows the future not because i cant...but because it violates the laws of physics. time goes in one direction, and no thing can get around that. no thing can see the future.
coach19604 3 years ago
No...typically, if someone is drowning they'll ask for help...to not die. After death there's nothing to save.
coach19604 3 years ago
Sadly, those racists were asked by their college to come and speak, We didnt ask the born again bigots to show up, they took it upon themselves to "save" us and THAT was the problem. Keep your noses outta other people business.
coach19604 3 years ago
Wait? Did you just say them trying to save you is a problem? If you were drowning would you reject a life saver because it was thrown within the realm of "your business?"
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Actually that is really good example! Lets examine this. If you see a person floating down the river and splashing and makking a big ol' ruckus, do you jump in and "save" them? No you dont. You just figure that theyre having a good ol' time frollicking in the river. You dont jump in until "help me" is uttered. To do otherwise - jump in and save them nothing - makes you look like an ass. I wonder how Repent America looked while at the Day of Silence Rally?? HMM.
coach19604 3 years ago
Hmmm Funny that people get all bent out of shape because some Christians protest on a college campus supported by their tax dollars. I believe I've heard of colleges allowing racists like Louis Farrakhan make speeches on campus and I believe a former hostage taker/terrorist and who is now the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (who denies Israel's right to exist), made a moronic speech at Columbia University. Methinks I detect just a wee bit of hypocrisy from many of you.
Cicman69 3 years ago
Haha fucking stupid radical Christians. Im attending KU this year as a freshman (and i am an atheist). They need to keep their preaching in their church! If we wanted to hear it we would come to your fucking church. All the street preaching does is cause a problem.
capitolsoccer 3 years ago
Welcome to KU Junior, you'll get to hear them for yourself this year. Hey, the fool says in his heart that there is no God. You fit right in at KU...HA!
christianresistance 3 years ago 2
Sam Shoap is the best part of this video.
StickyRix 3 years ago
After watching this i have to say im ashamed to be a kutztown student, they way you all acted is ridiculous. Congratulations your fate is now your own
Tuhitusan 3 years ago
Crazy heathen kids going to hell and dont wanna be reminded by anyone.
Brandon26acdcfan 3 years ago
Ah the protestors. I remember this day. The funny thing is while they were out there I was in my dorm writing a speech on why gay marriage should be allowed in the U.S. Then of course they came back eventually with giant posters of aborted fetuses strung up near the Learning Center where the little kids play. That time though we had Silent Witness so fights wouldn't break out again.
Shockweed 3 years ago
You use your jesus as a weapon to hurt others very well. You must have had a lot of practice.
gray73 3 years ago
And how many poor innocent rioters were hurt by the big brutal minority of Christians in this film?
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Lawrence King - 15 years old shot twice in the head while sitting in class.
Kenneth Cummings Jr. - stabbed in the head with a knife.
Mathew Sheppard - beaten and left to die
That's just a few well known cases from the last few years.
gray73 3 years ago
That's a bunch of bunk...lol.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Yeah it is a bunch of bunch that so many heterosexuals can't evolve beyond the mental capacity of a high school cheerleader and feel the need to attack others that are different. It is even bigger bunk that people can't figure out they will never quench the christian, muslim and jewish blood god's thirst or force everyone to bow down to it.
gray73 3 years ago
Look...atheists and sodomites alike can be very aggressive. Being aggressive is part of human nature, not something that is determined by religion. Religion can sometimes motivate and harness that aggression, but it is not the cause of it....now then, what you have written has nothing to do with the video...so let's get back on the topic of this particular video. How many people were hurt by the big bully Christians? :(
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
So how many wars have atheist and sodomites started and how many have christians muslims and jews started? There is a big difference so obviously religion does have a lot to do with it. And we are on the topic when religious nuts are allowed to start trying to force their beliefs on others it ends with people getting hurt and killed. Keep it in your homes and churches after the last 7 years america has finally had it with religous oppression and hate mongering.
gray73 3 years ago
Again...you keep trying to get off topic. I ask you again, how many were hurt by Christians in this video?
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
No again you're trying to narrow the topic and say because no one was beaten no one was hurt. Tell me this how many people are hurt by a klan rally or an arian nation march? How many are hurt when jewish grave are desecrated? Or better yet how many are hurt when homosexuals get married or kiss or date or anything else?
gray73 3 years ago
I know what your getting. You think the Christian God is the same as Hitler's.
christianresistance 3 years ago
Hitler was elected by the German people, democracy will elect the anti-Christ. George Bush is a Skull and Bones brotherhood of death member. Sadly most people think he is Christian...just like they thought Hitler was. If you think that is Christianity...you've been fooled.
christianresistance 3 years ago
6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Dispite all the efforts at KU to go against the purpose of God. It is still not to late to get saved. Take the narrow path....
christianresistance 3 years ago
I am a christian and know my vs-your barking up the wrong tree and missing every point being made, read everything before you point a finger....Thank You and have a nice day
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
How did you become a Christian? Out of curiosity? and...why are you a Christian?
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
2 Psalms 1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. 5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
christianresistance 3 years ago
Homosexuals aren't miserable people by far,only defensive when they're poked,kinda like you. The only reason you really keep on posting, is because you have a different point of veiw,my husband was ordained a minister ,but walked away from it because of beliefs like yours. I think he's right when he says all of those who openly hate while hiding behind christ, are those who will truely BURN in hell
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
Hmmm...you're so openly loving to all of us Christians! You're accusing us Christians of doing what you're doing right now...hating. I never said all homosexuals are miserable. Sin is fun for a season, I'm sure there are quite a few having a blast. However, I made the claim that those who try to balance Christianity with homosexuality must be miserable, because they are totally against each other. Don't mis-characterize my words.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
Don't use hearsay as the gospel, if you weren't there, you DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. That's my point. So that's why there are gay and lesbian ministers . And don't come back with that's a luthern thing or whatever because I'll remind you that the definition of a christian is one who believes in christ. Protesants,evengelical,baptist,catholics etc etc are ALL christains. I dislike the fact that you find it all right to disrespect a group of folks and purposely disturb the peace.
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
It says in the Bible that the devils believe also and tremble. Certainly the 're not saved.
openairpreach 3 years ago
YEAH, YOU did say they were miserable, trying to be christian and gay, remember? If you didn't mean it it should have never been posted.I real christian would never ostrisize some one,that is what they did and you're doing. It is a sin to cause public duress intentionally that is what they did,maliciously.Christ is about Love and understanding or were those pages torn out of your bible.Read it dont hide behind it.Stop minding everyone elses bussiness and worry about your own soul.
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
Um, deep inside homosexuals ARE miserable people, just like ALL people who are wrapped up in any sort of sin. If your husband was a minister, that doesn't necessarily mean that he completely was saved or even understood God's view of sin. God HATES sin, does He not? YES, He says that He does and He shows us that He does. Unrepentant sinners will NOT be allowed into THE perfect place, Heaven. God would be corrupt if He let unrepentant sinners in.
jesusiseverything2me 2 years ago
Your right I am so miserable being gay.
All I ever think about is how much my life sucks.
You are truly delusional if you believe for even one moment that I'm miserable being gay.
i am so thrilled to be out of the closet and free from the non-sense of religion.
As for this video obviously there is bad blood between christians and gays. It may have something to do with the way christians have oppressed and even killed gays for being gay.
inquiry10 1 year ago
1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:
PreachJesusNEPA 1 year ago
@PreachJesusNEPA
It never ceases to amaze me how bigots quote useless made up non-sense to prove my point.
Religion is a blight on this world. I will do my best to see its reign of bigotry fade into obscurity.
inquiry10 1 year ago
Yeah....you keep telling yourself that.. so you can sleep at night.
PreachJesusNEPA 1 year ago
@PreachJesusNEPA
I sleep like a baby.
whether your god exists or not I will continue to live my life with no regard for gods or religion in my life.
inquiry10 1 year ago
@PreachJesusNEPA You are my new best friend.
carlmelanson1 1 year ago
u know who the real bigots r, the ppl shouting against the Christians for doing what they r doing.
2corinthians710 4 years ago
wow...haha, you guys have nothing better to do? your own lives suck so bad this is probley the only way you feel semi important....
hititandgo 4 years ago
Them assholes were right by my fuckin high school
jfaust309 4 years ago
My friends went to Kutztown University and quite a few of them are homosexual. They told me about this disgusting display of bigotry and I can tell you now that if I was there, I would have been arrested because I would not have stood for this atrocity. Whoever was involved with this needs to be shot. Seriously. If Jesus is supposed to love everyone, he would love gays and lesbians too. And he would be pissed at anyone involved in this for calling themselves christian. This is sickening.
NickitaValo321 4 years ago
Jesus love people enough to want the best for them. God's best is obviously not homosexuality. I know people who were at the riot too. Trust me, you wouldn't have been arrested. The Christians were the ones arrested because the school is bigoted.
cowboy4ev2 4 years ago
Don't use your religion as an excuse to hate people! Why use your religion for hate and not love?
SarahDzurk 4 years ago
Is it loving to let someone go to hell without warning them?
cowboy4ev2 4 years ago
"Is it loving to let someone go to hell without warning them?"
1. there is no evidence to show that homosexuals do suffer in an afterlife
2. there is a difference between warning people and forcing your religion onto others. it's ok to say "my religion says homosexuals go to hell" but it is not ok to say "homosexuality should be illegal because it conflicts with my personal beliefs."
33LB 4 years ago
You know, Hitler used the same tactics and hid behind his love for God and country, we all know what happened there....
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
Oh riggghhhttt... back to the Hitler thing. Hitler was an atheist. These people are Christians. Hitler used the state, these people aren't (ironically the homosexual crowd has the state on their side.) Hitler made the Jews out like people who were haters. The Christians also made out the homosexuals....ohh wait a minute!! I'm sorry, the homosexuals are the ones making the Christians out to be haters. oooppss.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago
First of all take some history lessons sweetie, Hitler was a jew turned Christian and an blatent homosexual who carried on many affairs with his top men...no pun intended, He used the christian religion for his own purpose, if you weren't a christian you were basically screwed...JEW, PAGAN,MUSLIM WERE ALL forced out of Germany one way or an other.
gothgrlz1 3 years ago
Hmmm...Hitler was a homosexual...that really helps your case...and btw, I'm a history major...I live and breath it. Hitler was not a Christian, but you are correct when you say that he used the church.
cowboy4ev2 3 years ago