Democracy Is... by REP Freedom Force

[1Mikeykills]

hahahah AWESOME! i fully support u guys!

[yellowkrux]

Does anyone else find it funny that democracies are republics?

[repfreedomforce]

@yellowkrux Good point. That was to attract our "restore the republic" friends, but I will change the title now.

[1rickmage]

@yellowkrux Wrong, there is a reason why Rome decided to make their republic after watching what happened to the tyranny in Greece. Yes, they borrowed elements from the democracy in Greece but they also added their own elements to come up with their form of a constitutional republic. That didn't make their government a democracy. A republic is what the United States was intended to be. Just look up any quotes from any founding father and you'll see. They really preached against democracy.

[yellowkrux]

@1rickmage Wrong what?

[firefox8192]

democracy is the one of the creatures from Jekyle Island Georgia 1910, a construct of WARBURG, SCHIFF, SAIEF, GOLDMAN SACKS, LEZZAR. ROTHCHILD ie. LeKosher Noatra (Askanazim).

[robbin505]

In democracies you get a free government ruled by the majority of the people. Under this republic setup you get things like corporations becoming a person. In republics no one is supposed to get trampled on but at the same time a very small fraction of people can easily takover. In a democracy iof you went around and educated the majority of the people about your idea, and can prove why it is good, then that idea is going to go somewhere. Democracy is about debate and proving your point.

[repfreedomforce]

@robbin505 I appreciate the idea of the type of democracy you describe, but that it not the reality in which we live. Democracy, as we know it is a "representative" democracy, which forbids direct participation (unless ur a politician). It's always indirect through a small number of so-called "elected officials" to pass laws like cap and trade, empowering the fed, taxes, regulations of all stripes and many other intrusive laws that effect our daily lives. It is another form of tyranny.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@robbin505 Actually thats a corporatocracy, a state ruled by corporatism. A republic is ruled by the people but held secure by a strict set of rules like the US constitution, its controlled indirectly by the people and bound by law. Democracy is a vote by majority yes, but it is unrestricted. If someone could successfully convince the majority to take someones house or take money from businesses then it easily becomes a welfare state. Democracy is unstable and leads to Oligarchy.

[robbin505]

@davedavedaveannoy1 I know what a corporatocracy is, we live in one. This has been a fascist state for a long time. This republic is unstable and is an oligarchy. It really doesn't matter what sort of government is set up. If it is not regulated properly the people with money will always run rampant and create a society that benefits only the rich. The way things are now the corporations get more public assistance, welfare, than the people that really need help.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@robbin505 Fascism is a socialistic system that discriminates against a particular racial minority. The foundation of our nation is sound, it is as close to perfection as humanity with all its vices and sins can achieve, its corrupted leaders like Obama and other socialistic baffoons that turn the people against one another. If we can turn this nation into an individualistic libertarianism and limit the government to be completely bound by the constitution then temptation can be partially dstryd

[robbin505]

@davedavedaveannoy1 Fascism is just a form of government in which government and business are one. I think this could be a good country if we could put in regulations on business again. As far as Obama goes, he is no more than a puppet like any other politician. The power lies in the hands of the corporations. I agree that the ruplic created here is very good, I don't think anything is perfect and neither did the founding fathers. They made sure to give us the tools to fight and change it.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@robbin505 Think about it though, corruption in Gov comes from the abuse of power, which comes from temptation. Communism, which had good intention, was perverted because it held too much power and Stalin saw this, and took it by force. If we had a Libertarian Gov limited to policing, defense, and only the most basic regulation of building codes and necessary business laws (protection of private property and Anti-trust) plus defense of rights then its no longer a tempting target for Authoritaria

[robbin505]

@davedavedaveannoy1 Socrates said, "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." This is the true root of our problem, not the type of government. It is the complete lack of participation in life by the average person. You can change the laws as many times as you want. Change governments to be as perfect as possible, but if you don't change the mind of the average person then you have changed nothing.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@robbin505 Its a bit of both, governments can be changed and altered to a darker form by forcible means. But they can also be taken out by a lack of participation as you just stated. But really its a bit of both. When a government takes a turn for the worst everyone is responsible in one way or another. But the instigators hold more of the responsibility for the cause. But you are right, "Bad officials are elected by good citizens that refuse to vote."

[repfreedomforce]

@davedavedaveannoy1 One could also say "Bad officials are elected by good citizens that vote." I mean what kind of choices do we really have on election day? Representative democracy seems to have failed.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@repfreedomforce Thats because it is Democracy, democracy is unstable and only a republic with some democratic values can prosper. Besides, it is better that elect representatives then vote on everything ourselves. The idea sounds incorrect but if we had to vote on every single local, state, and national bill coming out it would be not only counter productive and inefficient we would spend more time voting then anything else, politics would consume every moment of our free time.

[repfreedomforce]

@davedavedaveannoy1 Help me to understand your point more clearly. You're saying that to participate in governing is inefficient because it will waist too much of ordinary people's free time voting and keeping up with all the various laws and regulations being voted on all the time? That to elect a representative to do all that work for us is more efficient and effective. In other words, change nothing?

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@repfreedomforce Exactly what I am suggesting, we need to control the republic indirectly. We elect officials that share our views and goals and that are intelligent and capable of handling the job properly. Voting on every single local, county, state, and national matter would require voting far too frequently. It would be inefficient, expensive, and require massive bureaucratic support to do it all. Its worked for over 250 years and turned us into a free superpower.

[repfreedomforce]

@davedavedaveannoy1 Yes, there was a time when Americans could find principled representatives that lived and breathed Liberty and were willing to die for it. The revolutionary idea, that people could govern themselves and live free as masters of their own destiny without government conscription was as popular then as state fascism is today. And yes, after the revolution that idea permeated public consciousness for several generations, before central banking and Lincoln's statism was enforced.

[repfreedomforce]

@repfreedomforce Now seems to be a time for another revolution, as opposed to the revolving door of republican & democrat sponsored statism. The principles behind the American revolution are still what drives those of us that are revolting today. Representative democracy is a failure on many levels and is unsustainable in the long run. They don't represent US anymore, but rather their special interests, and they certainly aren't defending personal Liberty, which was our govt's original intent

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@repfreedomforce So are you suggesting we spend every waking moment of our lives reading several thousand page reports on every aspect of every single bill for every single proposal? Thats what election is for, we elect an individual to a representative body, if he is parallel to our ideologies and upholds the things we elect him for he keeps his job, if he doesn't...we replace him with someone that will. Thats how this nation works, on trust, if someone breaks that trust they're out.

[repfreedomforce]

@davedavedaveannoy1 You actually believe our elected representatives are "reading several thousand page reports on every aspect of every single bill for every single proposal?" Not a chance. And where did I suggest we do that? No, the way Washington DC operates is way beyond the boundaries of a legitimate free society. The bills are too long, and too far reaching into our lives. Ron Paul's bills are a paragraph long, because that's really all that's necessary to preserve liberty.

[davedavedaveannoy1]

@repfreedomforce Precisely, only pricks release such bills with massive amounts of information to hide unnecessary earmarks and hidden agendas. Like Obama and his several thousand page report on his socialistic crap. Ron Paul is a great guy, no doubt. But direct voting is wasteful and my friend in europe has to deal with a new bill every day, freedom ceases to become freedom the moment it consumes almost every waking second of your life, you become enslaved to bureaucracy and its vices.

[Fuctmentality]

Uhm democracy is a republic so long as it has an executive officer who isn't a monarch.

[norevelation]

Treat democracy as the filthy, ill ridden, swarthy swine it is!

[soviet140]

we need a direct democracy where the people choice instead of the elected officials! democracy is the will of the people

[combatvetlawstudent]

Refreshing to hear someone define democracy. I get so irritated when leaders or others say we are a democracy. Even Judge Napolitano. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WE STAND......REPUBLIC REPUBLIC REPUBLIC

[robbin505]

@combatvetlawstudent This place is run as a deocracy, that is probably why they refer to it as such.  When we are forced to choose between two candidates, parties, or ideologies that is democracy. It is a situation where 51% control 100%. And it doesn't really matter which 51% win anway, they are both controlled by the same corporate interests. The money to fund campaigns is all from the same source. It is a complete revolving door between the corporate and political world.

[studiologos619]

Democrcy, Republic, Socialism are the same thing if ruled and controlled by the wrong people....... like now.

[repfreedomforce]

@studiologos619 Agreed. Many of the problems with society today emerge when people in a collective, like government, have authority and power other people do not have. In a truly free society, this would not be the case. Have you ever wondered where the people in government get their authority? From us, right? This is a "representative democracy," is it not? No it is not, otherwise the people in government could only do what we do. Yet they start wars and steal without consequence.

[54nomore]

Long live the Republic!....and pray we can Keep It.

[grimster888]

democracy isn't the problem, corporatism is. Stop trying to associate yourselves with the real movement, you're just piggybacking on it and making it look metro. The real freedom movement doesn't have a dresscode and we don't waste time on menial wordplay arguments.

[repfreedomforce]

Somehow you have authority to define the freedom movement? You are sounding like one of those central planners that has put us in this mess. You don't even understand the purpose of this video, which was entered into a GOVERNMENT SPONSORED VIDEO COMPETITION. We never said corporatism is not a problem, in fact, this so-called democracy is corporatism parading around as the people's choice. So what's your beef. You don't like our fashion sense? Hmm. Deep. And who's this "We" you mentioned?

[Indigoblue2015]

you want freedom??

ANARCHIE ist der Weg zur wahren Freiheit!

[richmocha]

Why anarchy? That leaves the weak at the mercy of the strong, and warlords or other power brokers soon fill the vacuum. A republic, however, has been tested by history and proved a success.

[blu33y3brat]

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME THESE DAYS

[DarthBane123]

its a shame that most of the people in the government are democratic

[funwjoshnjenn]

I agree, I prefer dictatorship over majority rule

[DarthBane123]

uh, no, i prefer a republic

where the people vote for reperesentitives to vote for who gets to lead this country

although I'm mostly republican because how most republicans are christians

and my parents are

[funwjoshnjenn]

so you don't believe in direct election, that's a good start

[wolfofworld]

Sounds good........for the republic for which it stands.......

[TheDrkKnght1988]

Democracy's nothin' more than majority rule! It can only make it worse. This is like tyranny from the people.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."-Thomas Jefferson

[HoGraz]

@TheDrkKnght1988 That's why we have a Representative Democracy and an Electoral College also the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Republic and Representative Democracy are interchangeable. That's why Thomas Jefferson and James Madison created the Democratic-Republican Party. Direct Democracy was what they were talking about where the people directly vote on things. Imagine what that'd be like- voting on Abortion all the time and welfare. Nixon gave us food stamps.

[HoGraz]

I hope these guys are Libertarians cause if they talk about the Military Industrial Complex leads me to wonder. Sure Eisenhower came up with the term, but Reagan came up with the Prison Industrial Complex. Recently in my state "The Republic of Tennessee" decided privatizing the prisons was a great idea. That's how that started.

[alexbroadwell1]

I will consider your comments and take another look at your video. I appreciate your response and I apologize for my comment on your video. Good for you, and thanks for the lesson in communication. I get it and will try to use it in the future. Peace!

[alexbroadwell1]

Dorks! So what's the problem. Do you think you live in a pure democracy now? That is not even possible in a state with such a large population. We live in a representative democracy---A REPUBLIC. You should calls yourselves the LA Dip Shits!

[repfreedomforce]

Great way to introduce yourself Alex. And you expect us to support your channel? I will leave your video up as a response and encourage everyone to go watch Alex's latest video. And if it breaks 100 page views, he can thank us. What was your point again, cause it seems you missed ours entirely.

[Adlershof]

You are just a bunch of facist loosers. Democracy is the worst system, if we exclude all the others. Democracy and freedom can't survive without each other. You are just too dumb... I am not goona waste my time with ignorants like you. Bye

[justice1812]

I am not going to waste time writing that I am not going to waste time, that sounds pretty ignorant. Well I'll waste some time on Adlershof. We are promoting freedom, not fascism, in this video we oppose authoritarian hierarchical government and the preconception that freedom and democracy is somehow related, or that our founding fathers of this once free country promoted rather than opposed democracy. Freedom is the opposite of Democracy, where the majority chooses for you how you should live.

[funwjoshnjenn]

Name one thing that 99.99% of the people agree with, but you disagree on (and actually live it, talk is cheap)

[BRYAN351]

funwjoshnjenn, so...it's ok if 99.99% of the people vote to hang blacks, but it's NOT ok if only 51% vote to hang blacks?

Let's debate principles, not just numbers.

[funwjoshnjenn]

No, they're both OK if you can get away with it. (As it stands, probably more than 01% want to hang blacks, and you can bet they're being oppressed in a liberal society)

What would you like to discuss?

[wildboy789789]

its all about who sets up the laws...

dictator = fascism makes laws and (communism in practice)

republic = you vote on a dictator to make laws

democracy = majority makes laws (communism in theory)

saying that 65% of people will vote to burn jews is unrealistic and a scare tactic

more realistic would be 75% of people vote to remove bankers who devalue our hard earned dollar

its also much harder for corporations to bribe a democracy lol

[funwjoshnjenn]

I agree, in reality 65% can't do much harm without paying a price (unless they had something in addition to mere numbers)

75% who want bankers punished don't actually need to do it, they can go out and create their own alternative money supply to make the remaining 25% irrelevant.

corporations CAN & DO bribe democracies, because democracies allow people who cannot or will not critically think make decisions, the easiest people to buy up & decieve.

[wildboy789789]

there are 305 million people living in the usa

that means you need 152.6 million people to pass a vote

it would cost 1 billion dollars to bribe everyone with 1000 and most people wouldent take the 1000 to pass a law they dont like

in a republic you bribe about 50 key people... in a dictatorship you bribe 1 person

so what is the best way to stop governmental bribes again?

[funwjoshnjenn]

nope, not all citizens are voters, and not all voters think. You seem to have no idea how politics in America works (how easy it is to get idiots on your side)

[wildboy789789]

85% of people vote in france... we just need a culture that doesnt make 50% of us retarded

[funwjoshnjenn]

fair enough

[MTPatriot1787]

@funwjoshnjenn --- No lie there! lol

[kellerr13]

Von Clausewitz once said "War is the continuation of politics by other means." At the time he said it, I agree it was true, but today, it's the oposite. "Politics is the continuation of war by other means."

[funwjoshnjenn]

"How can I profit at the expense of everybody else" is not democracy, capitalism and greed have ALWAYS BEEN about profitting at the expense of another in one way or another.

[repfreedomforce]

I can only speak for myself (I am not the one that said that in the video). I understand what you are saying, and yes, our current scarcity-based economy does tend toward greed. Some would argue greed is a good thing, look at all the innovation it has brought. I would argue that greed has run it's course and is now holding us back from better solutions. It could also be said that "Capitalism," in it's true form, is not what we have in American economics today. This socialism is much worse.

[repfreedomforce]

It was also said that "Democracy is the use of mass media to manufacture consent." Right now, the media is pushing a socialist / bailout agenda that is swelling the size of government to epic proportions, and people are going right along with it. If that's "Democracy," I want nothing to do with it.

[funwjoshnjenn]

You cannot say you believe in free speech if you don't believe your enemy has the freedom to speak (Chomsky, "Manufacturing Consent"). Consent is not manufactured, it's earned or forced, and it works the same whether your are big media or small media, unless there are laws against speech, you cannot say mass media is doing anything but exercising the same freedoms you enjoy.

[repfreedomforce]

Sean Hannity, is that you? No wait, he wouldn't know Noam Chomsky if he tripped over him. Look, do you deny the power of propaganda designed to manufacture and crystalize opinion in public consciousness? We are not saying any speech should be illegal, but do you really think American mass media is a "free press."

[funwjoshnjenn]

can you give a rational response w/o ad hominem? Do I deny there's power of propaganda and lies to manufacture consent? NO, but is that wrong? NO, because everybody watches out for his own interests. No I don't think American mass media is a free press, but it's not completely un-free either. And I don't expect it to be, that's just part of being capitalistic and greedy, you look out for your own interests.

[repfreedomforce]

It is funny you would refer to invoking the name "Sean Hannity" as an ad hominem attack. I don't believe I've ever really "attacked" anyone on YouTube. But I get your point. My point was that it is suspect that a member of mass media would defend mass media, like you wrote, defending one's own turf. But you're not him cause you are smart enough to support Ron Paul. I agree with everything you just wrote. There is no contradiction with our video.

[funwjoshnjenn]

Did you use Sean as a compliment? I don't think so.

I don't defend mass media's turf, I don't believe mass media or government are any less human as we are, they deserve the same rights.

I don't think I said your video has a contradiction, but I don't believe you don't believe might makes right, or you'd not say "a well armed sheep can contest wolves' votes"

"might makes right" is not democracy, it's reality, and it applies the same in any system.

[funwjoshnjenn]

Yes, I definitely agree greed is a good thing. Which I why I don't see why your video would bring it up as if it's wrong or should be condemned.

[jasrid04]

CORRECT. Democracies always lead to Tyranies/dictatorships.

Rule of Law = Republic. Bring back the Constitution.

Good video!

Great video!

[funwjoshnjenn]

are all tyrannies bad?

How is "rule of law" not tyranny if it does not listen to the masses for better or worse?

[justice1812]

I believe that all tyrannies will fail, time and time again, societies have proven that centralization, rulers holding absolute power over a state, will always fail to meet the needs of their subjects, I hope to choose not to be a subject, or ruled over, I hope to choose to be free. I believe people naturally find a way to coexist, natural laws come out of that process, unelected DMV's dictating that we can't talk and drive is tyranny, wall street bailouts is no rule of law

[funwjoshnjenn]

Do anarchies fail too? I don't think it was DMV, but CA Leg that made laws against driving and talking as well as driving drunk, should both be legal?

[1776RonPaul2012]

this is a very good, and creative video.

Keep producing videos guys, this is is really awesome!

The founders clearly did not want America to be a democracy.

[PhantomTigershark]

Democracy can be applied to any system.

[MrDuffy81]

I had just head William Cooper saying this.

Bless You guys!

Democracy is code for Socialism.

Obama is a socialist. Listen to Webster G. Tarpley.

Watch my obama playlist...Peace

[tle021764]

Thanks Freedom Fighters!! A new favorite. 5 starred!

[RP4409]

Dam this is kick ass! I will put this video on Freedoms Phoenix!

[shanklinmike]

Democracy is majority rule.

[tle021764]

Yes Democracy is majority rule. But this country was not founded on Democracy. It was founded on the rule of law. That's our Constitution. We were founded a Republic. I believe there is a lot of confusion about that. Think about the Pledge of Allegiance..."and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands." It is the constitution and the amendment to the constitution (Bill of Rights) that keeps us free. We are giving those freedoms away one after the other.

[shanklinmike]

You obviously don't know who you are talking to....

Preciate the History lesson. lol

[suki2011]

keep it coming brothers. Viva Le freedom

[dan020350]

this video makes me think republic is evil. I wonder is this is the intent?

[melioped]

AWESOME Thank you for telling the TRUTH

[ang9967]

Some founders were Knighted by the King. Some owned slaves! and most all were members of secret societies. They manipulated ppl into thinking they get rights off a piece of paper. How can I sign a contract 4U and It b valid? UR vote enslaves U 2 them. UCC courts in USA. UCC is the law of COMMERCE, U have no rights in UCC. They turn you into a debt slave via all caps of your name. All caps signify the corporation. They now can extort and steal ur labor. UR A SLAVE. Stop voting, spread the word.

[xesiria]

are you TY members?

Great vid and well said and so so true!

[OldBenFranklin]

Watch the figures on their black shirts change. There's the message, and it is right on! A nation of well-armed private citizens can insure freedom, but they must be willing to commit their lives and their fortunes if necessary, BEFORE their government disarms them. We all know that certain politicians seek to completely disarm us. Some of our politicians are just plain stupid, but some of them are not, and know only to well what power and wealth can be seized, if the public is disarmed.

[OldBenFranklin]

Ron Paul in 2012!

[OldBenFranklin]

As the ancient Roman poet, Juvenal once said, "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" Translation: "Who will guard the guards themselves?"

Liberty and justice for all!

[TieDyeCreek]

Great vid! Too bad more ppl don't realize what's going on! Hopefully we will be able to reclaim our Republic and our Constitution!

[VendettaVV]

well done.

"It's a Republic, if you can keep it".

[gigsupusa]

Good to see some young men taking a stand for this country. It will be yours before too long.

[repfreedomforce]

Democracy is... the idea that you are free as long as you are able to cast a vote.  In other words, democracy is... mass deception.

(You guys do some)

[minnesotachris]

Nicely done REPFreedomForce!

[raouldeming]

BelAir? OMG, Beverly Hills Commandos....

That explains the white belts. Too bad we didn't get to see the white shoes.

[somecomputergeek]

Funny how you say that democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Isn't that what happens in the wild? Isn't that freedom?

Sometimes sheep need to use their NUMBERS, the only thing that they have, in order to fight back against the wolves.

[ball4thegame]

haha, no, not at all, way to miss the point entirely, your founding fathers would be ashamed of you.

inalienable rights, not numbers, are what protect individuals against the abuses of tyranny.

[somecomputergeek]

Inalienable rights don't protect you from anything unless they are enforced. Either a minority does the enforcement or the majority does.

Tyrannies don't give a damn about "inalienable rights". They only care about what they can get away with before the mob decides to kick their ass.

[repfreedomforce]

In our animated sheeps case, it is the Uzis that will enforce his inalienable rights if the wolves try anything.

[somecomputergeek]

"Wolves" implies greater powerthan "sheep". It is the wolves that would have the uzis in this analogy.

[repfreedomforce]

Well, the wolves are the majority, and they do have sharp teeth, and are stronger, but in a republic, the sheep has the option to defend himself with whatever weapon of choice that is stronger than the wolves and their appetites.

[somecomputergeek]

This is about power. What is the difference between the power of numbers and the power of guns? After all, the government has weapons, too. I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't have gun rights. What I'm saying is that democracy is the populace leveraging the power of their numbers against the consolidation of power in the hands of a few. A more apt analogy would be 1 wolf and 20 sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

[justice1812]

I would hope we've come farther in our methods of discourse than that of a rabid animal. The wolves and sheep quote is believed to be from Benjamin Franklin.

[TennisPoliticsBoston]

great video... yes democracy sucks... try preaching that in Boston :)

[UKLooney]

Don't worry about democracy, next phase is coming soon, Fascism!

What's with the costumes?

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[sufisis]

Those white belts are so freakin' cool...

OH, and this is a really clever and thought-provoking video, guys!

[Socksee]

awesome

[MS1719ms]

It's a Republic !! If you can keep it :o)

[truindep]

nice one.

ya'll are adorable.

[greenback001]

u gotz dat rite!

bless liberty forever!