Pelosi WATERS Frank RANGEL & REID HAVE BEEN SUCKING SCUM BAMA DICK & THE LOW QUALITY LOW IQ SPERM IS POISIONING THEIR MINDS in other words UR all a bunch of lying scumbags who have never done an honest days work in your entire lives...& if U had done ur job America would not B Broken
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u lying scumbag politicians have destroyed this once great country~!
& speaking of SCUMBAGS WHERE IS GINTHER & BERNACKI ? ~ WHO ARE THEY FUCKING NOW ?
does he even listen to the people? because i dont think most people were happy about the reform. in fact, i know that most people werent happy about the reform, but what does he care. he is a communist and therefore he says he cares about the people when he doesnt
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I totally agree with you. I am from Ireland and let me tell you the healthcare system here is far from perfect but from everyone I know that has experience of it in USA its awfull lot worse.
I very very strongly appeal to all Americans for your own sake support Obama in this. Your country needs it.
Right now, Health Insurance Co.s (HIC) executives are STANDING between you and your doctor,
denying you treatment, cherry picking only the healthiest people to insure and yet denying them care when they fall sick. HIC execs are telling your doctor which pill to prescribe.
Private Co Bureaucrats BETWEEN you and your doctor, denying care. Only purpose: deny as much care as possible to maximize profits for the private Co.s. Then they get HUGE bonuses and you or your relation dies because that critical procedure was NIXED!
from what i can see americans dont really want or know what this plan really entails. typical of this administration to lie and manipulate things for thier own gain. its just sad there going to mess up our country like they are. seems the lazy and imoral people blly follow these people. basicaly i dont want to give 1 dollar to pay someone elses health care they can get it themselves
"Here in England our education is far superior to that of the USA. Our Health Care is also better because it is a right for everyone & the doctors & nurses in return receive more benefits as well as higher salaries compared to those of the United States." Please bring this to the US too. People who care about American families will support this healthcare reform.
Socialized medicine = lower standards = poor quality physicians trying to fix you = sucky healthcare.
This is really very simple, gov't will screw things up, wake up America! keep the politicians, and lawyers out of your health care decisions and business. Your health care decisions should be between you and your Doctor, not some gov't douchebag.
Oh stop! Have you ever submitted a claim to your healthcare insurance company? Cause if you had, "socialized" medicine would be music to your ears. The private insurance companies have been raping America and people are dying. Those fucks have had plenty of time to compete to lower costs. Time is UP! Single payer all the way, (or at least public option.)
Well then maybe the gov't should investigate and punish the insurance companies when they don't pay claims properly. Believe me I believe all types of insurance claims are not paid out correctly by the insurance companies, not just health care. If an insurance company doesn't pay a claim you must hire a lawyer and sue civilly, a D.A. or A.G. should be investigating that. Socialized medicine will not work plz explain Medicare/Medicaid failures, those are good examples of gov't run insurance.
Agree, my distain for insurance companies don't stop at the healthcare insurance. You state, ...you must hire a lawyer and sue civilly..., ya, you are usually so sick and broke you can't and then even if you do, the insurance companies hire the bad ass lawyers that can draw your case out until you are broke. Medicare does need work, but ask the people over 65 if we should tell them, sorry, medicare is not available anymore. Lets look at VA healthcare, that is the model we should be after.
so you think with the gov involved prices will go down you are silly if they wanted to bring costs down they would now. i dont see anything in the constitution that say i should buy healthcare for someone else or be made to get it, the gov is trying to get rich of it
but they aren't going to play by the rules they make for us. This is the nanny state...but watch, how many of they are going to be getting extra health insurance with their raises they voted for (once again on our dime). Additionally, they will live in mansions and fly planes and yet they lecture us about our carbonfootprint. THEY can afford more carbon credits....on our dime.
One should also consider that the American College of Physician supports a single-payer system, as well as the American Medical Student Association; arguably the more altuistic organizations in medicine.
Notcie how the most visable man on the planet doesn't get photographed smoking...the media is is prtecting him and trying to give us a "Camelot image" but privately the press says he "reeks" of smoke so they know he is still smoking. So where does he smoke? That's right folks in the White House...which is against the law (no smoking in federal buildings..typical do as I say,..not as I do mentality. WELCOME to the LEFT WING people..they know whats best for us
Of the 46 MILLION, almost 10M turn out to be illegals, and 10-12M were those that briefly were w/o insurance (less than 6 months)!
Now the small letters on insurance policies still become a far better situation than what obamas offering. The small print can be read! With obamas policies, much like the pork barrel spending bills, the obama care program will not be read until AFTER its signed into law!
THEN........ youre CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN option of coverage will be GONE!
Only, (cont) A public plan would dictate terms with employers to increase their costs to cover employees and employees loosing MORE of their hard earned money to obama...... And I could go on.. but you know this already!
And theres MANY things many people dont have... but often by choice! New cars, cell phones, HD TVs, Blue Ray products, etc.... so why does the Taxpayer have to pay for what they choose NOT to buy?
And obamas uninsured numbers of 46 million is a lie!
A public option is just more choice, the US post service competes with FedEx and UPS, they don't cry out fault. Why should the health insurance. The US Postal Service is one of the cornerstones of the success of the United States in the past century. I don't want the broken health care system to be the cornerstone of the failing of the USA. We either inject a little competition into the healthcare system, or we fail as a nation.
FedEx has been shipping for the Post Office for years and unlike the P.O., guarantees overnight shipping all over the World. But the P.O. contracted with FedEx to save costs and to lower it's budget due to the high cost of the government running the P.O.
ANOTHER case of the private sector doing a better job at a better price!
There is no free lunch, we already pay for healthcare. It is overall 19% of GDP. Nobody says that the Public Option has to be freer. USPS is paid, the Public Option proposed is paid directly too. Hidden costs of the broken healthcare are in low job mobility (people stay in a crappy job because it gives good health insurance); remember the raising phoenix? Because Americans have good job mobility, we can start new ventures, or move to jobs where we can add more value to the economy.
The insurance companies will not collapse because there is a public option, they will just be put on their toes... I for one would buy into the public plan (I am willing to pay for it) and maybe complement it with private insurance. If you pay for health insurance (whether you or your employer pay for it by reducing your direct compensation) you will find out that your insurance is only there when you don't need them... The moment you need them,they will try to step on you every chance they get
Yes, the "public option" will ABSOLUTELY cause the industry to collapse
This is why the MAJORITY of Americans (those with brains), are opposed --- as is the American Medical Association (AMA)
Do you think when John & Sally see everyone else getting free healthcare, they'll want to continue their plan thru the employer & pay $200-$300 per month? NO. Many will jump on to the Govt tit
@Panther, dude, chill. Lets see, tell me with your ECON101 why the public option would be bad? Lets see if you ever took it, and if you did if you understand basic microeconomics.
Explain how the public option will cause the collapse of the [health] insurance industry? Why hasn't the USPS caused the collapse of the transportation industry? Use your ECON-101.
The health-care industry will have a choice, stop ripping people off or go out of biz. Where the fuck do they get off jacking up our rates to support their stock price? The funny thing about the "Capitalist" system is that you always have to make more. Turning a billion dollar profit every year isn't good enough because it's not growth. You do know how the stock market works, doncha? There's no way we can compete with that. Especially with wages going down. The bastards are out to suck us dry.
i agree panther that the public will go with the more inexpensive plan. whichever that may be.
the problem with healthcare system today is that doctors, even though many may not like to, have to screen you for insurance/method of payment before they even treat you. that's the biggest problem with how the system is structured today.
Physicians are willing to forgo a risk in wage reduction in exchange for a system that allows them to practice medicine. NOT BILLING.
The more government gets involved, the more it ends up costing us all. Obama wants to throw money at this with NO outline of a plan? Havent we learned our lesson yet? How much taxpayer money is being spent on healthcare and other programs for illegals? (oops, does that make me a right wing extremist?) Wake up America and let your elected officials know how you feel! We have been bamboozled enough! Get big government out of our lives!
But its according to Obama its "necessary" and no amount of common sense, logic or reasoning will change his mind into helping destroy the U.S and emptying the banks after he takes them over by force.... we already have Government Motors.... pretty soon Wall Street is going to be called Obama Street....
One way to help make health care more affordable. Let it become more of a free market in health insurance. For example, in IL., I can't buy a health insurance plan from another state. Let me buy from another state. More competition. That would lead to lower premiums.
Where does this stop? Why not have everyone pay the very same preimums for Car and Life Insurance?
In most states it's the law that drivers have insurance. Then why do I have to pay for "uninsured motorists" and Higher rates then someone that lives in the country?
All my life, ever democrat politician CONSTANTLY reminds me that there are rich people in America and that whatever issue they are talking about we have to "make the rich pay their fair share", whatever that means. But there is ONE issue when "the rich" suddenly disappear, and that is medical insurance. They breathlessly tell us that 20 million people don't have medical insurance, but never mention the FACT that almost all well to do types DON'T NEED OR WANT medical insurance!
There are also plans to tax health care benefits. Guess who ends up paying? The employees. don't get fooled by this trick of claiming the employers would pay taxes on health care. This will make matters worse. Obama is a one man free market/limited government wrecking nmachine.
I believe in free markets and competition, but to tell you the truth, the US health care system is making the United States of America less competitive in the global marketplace. Companies and people go bankrupt because of high healthcare prices. Americans have been brainwashed to believe we don't deserve better regarding healthcare. I do believe we deserve better.
So you want the government, which can't even balance a budget, find out were all that bailout money went or run our public schools to run our health care, its just the lives of you and your loved ones at stake.
If antitrust laws were applied to the health insurance AND delivery markets, you would see a lot of improvement. Sadly, when you or I find out how crappy the Status quo is, all we can do is bite the bullet.
We DO need government to require the private players in the health care system to behave, and they are NOT behaving right now. They are abusing the system in so many ways it is criminal.
If you have ever had to deal with insurance claims because of a individual plan you would understand how bad it works in the US. Have you ever received multiple bill statements from a hospital? Would you buy a PC-Laptop if the company gave you 10 different bills for the parts over 3 months? and then kept sending you bills? I wouldn't.
Let's stick to the problem instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water..... If you want to "change" the problem, get your politicians to go after the INSURANCE INDUSTRY!
Much like the polls showing people NOT supporting obama's hostile take over of GM... GM's not going to produce BETTER autos... they're expected to be less of a vehicle at a higher cost! And... since obama's into the "green", they'll also be autos that people really don't want!
I don't like defending politics, but the truth is that Obama did not do a hostile takeover of GMr, nor did congress. GM is in bankruptcy court under chapter 11 which means that it needs to restructure. The government put $30 Billion to help keep it kind of together, I don't agree with that either. A public plan is NOT a hostile takeover of health care, it is offering an option to many who Don't have it. Do you have health insurance? What kind? If you do, read the small letters on your policy
Only, Yes, obama did do a HOSTILE take over of GM! And it's at $50 Billion dollars not $30!
And the bankruptcy details were NOT determined by GM, they were determined by obama! Then in the HOSTILE take over, obama walked away holding 65% of GM's interests as the CONTROLLING stock holder!
On obama Care... just use some common sense. A "public plan" would NOT involve the government and ADDED TAXES to pay for this. A "public plan" would NOT give out FREE health care (socialism) to all!
And in this estimation of 46,000,000 uninsured, 9,000 of that # are those that are in our country illigally if you go by the Government's numbers! So coverage includes MORE than Americans!
But it's another obama socialist program to be in control of our lives personally! For me, I don't want BIG BROTHER deciding how to deal with my health, or to dictate the terms for coverage.
Now, I can "change" Ins Comp at will or choose "NO" to coverage... with obama, there's NO CHOICE!
Of the 46 million, and estimated 13-16 million people CAN afford insurance, but don't want to pay for it. CNN
CNN, est 15 million CITIZENS are without health insurance and can't afford it. Can't we just focus on them? Pay for it by putting in E Verify to catch the fraud of illegals.
typical loser attitude! you are nothing but a frustrated, angry nobody with nothing going for you in life.. I figure that much already based on your comments here alone. typical angry loser soon turn vigilante.. McVeigh-like. quit whining and bitching about your life and do something about it! cause nobody is impressed or convinced about your comments.
obama talked about "change" but if you notice he never said anything about "choice"! Couldn't because that's exactly what he's going to remove from American Society....... the CHOICE to choose your own healthcare.
But beware, once obama care is in place, to save costs, many will no longer be able to get the same care they've depended on before. And to get the money obama needs for this MASSIVE spending spree that never ends, SOCIAL SECURITY will need to be tapped.
Popcur, Yikes, that just may be the case!!!!! And I have reminded people of how poorly the Government runs the schools!
Just think of all the money that goes into schools and the students are the last to see any benefits of the money spent... now just think about being a patient under "obama care"... Much larger, but as you say, more life threatening than the school situation!
Not to mention the DMV, Social Security, Welfare... oh what doesn't the government run that disaster called Medicaid? Thanks for mentioning the public schools.... lets see what else the government screwed up...
And this is why LESS government is ALWAYS the way to go. It's simple... the less the politicians (government) have control over, the less they can MESS UP!
Sad part though, is the few out there still supporting obama thinking hes so great and cheering him on... But delusions of enablers like this would even tell a person that weighs 800 lbs., you look so good and we support you eating nothing but donuts all day!
Well...it's going to be interesting to see what the Senate and House came up with, since he left it up to those bloodsuckers!...Ted Kennedy worked on his health care plan for yrs. but couldn't get it through....I'd like to read it.
Those damn insurance company owners have gold Toilets! before you get on Obama, look up the owners of these companies. THEY ARE LOADED! Gold Toilets, money for generations... look it up. HELP US OBAMA!!!
No kidding, i'm in college and turned 25. I have no insurance and broke my leg. It cost my mother and I 8,000. I'm broke..... and people treat you bad if you say "I have no insurance."
I wonder why in America, the same meds we get in Europe and Canada are usually 4 times more expensive....it should be forbidden to advertize drugs on any media channel. The lab industry spends almost 3 billion dollars a year with the adds....Guess who is paying it?
We'll get less for our money because you have fucked us over by taking us from 4 trillion to 12 trillion in debt, thereby making our dollar worth less, you fucking monkey.
you're ignorant as shit! ask yourself what's your real problem with him... being the first black president, being a democrat, or his actions on trying to do something better than his predecessor who's the real dummy of all dummies?
I don't give a shit if the fucker was purple, he's fucking up badly. How am I ignorant if we have tripled our national debt in the first 100 days he was in office?! Your statement didn't shoot anything I said before down, you just showed that you like playing race cards, and political cards. You show your ignorance by not paying attention to what he is doing. Obama is a socialist and socialism turns into communism aka a dictatorship. Look at world history you monkey.
ILFUnited, listen you Ape, much of Europe are socialists when it comes to economic models (Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway)... they did not turn into communists did they? besides, there are no real communists left in the world except for N. Korea and Cuba. America will never become Socialists or Communists, stop your paranoia and stop inbreeding within your own family, you dumb hick!!!
Good for fucking Europe. we aren't Europe, I enjoy being able to decide for myself what I wish to do, not to have some monkey in a suit do it for me. You still haven't said anything of value, you have remained a stupid cunt. Too bad it isn't LEGAL to kill people who piss you off. We need to go back to the wild west where murder was allowed. I'd have fun with you bitch.
the only thing you can have fun with is your brain which is full of garbage and dirt.. full of anger.. why don't you try and do something instead of hiding behind the computer and bitch about your idiot notions and beliefs? See if you can make any difference. LOL! typical pathetic loser with nothing going for him. And that's enough waste of my time with your sorry ass!
Wow this entire time you have said nothing of value to dispute anything I have said, you have been a race card player, a political card player, a dumbass, and a cock sucker. If we continue to have idiots like you having a voice, then we are a doomed country. Too bad so sad that I don't know you in real life. I'd have a party on your face.
Last time I checked... people died in Europe and Canada waiting for treatment... not to mention Europe, England in particular is in FAR WORSE shape financially and economically then we are. One of the reasons why is because of universal health care.... it is one of their biggest financial drains.
The government can't even balance a budget or run our public schools, and now people want them to run our health care? Its just the lives of you and your loved ones at stake.
Why are you preaching to me about this? I think the Government Health Program is a horrible idea. I've been saying its a bad idea and I hate Obamanation, not because he's black, which he's actually not, he's half, and not because he is a democrat, but because he is a FUCKING MORON who took us from under $4 Trillion in debt, to just under $12 Trillion in debt in his first 100 days in office, how does someone do that?!!!!
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bardiaarab 8 months ago
fuck this asshole. lying son of bitch!
SiKwiLLie 1 year ago
Pelosi WATERS Frank RANGEL & REID HAVE BEEN SUCKING SCUM BAMA DICK & THE LOW QUALITY LOW IQ SPERM IS POISIONING THEIR MINDS in other words UR all a bunch of lying scumbags who have never done an honest days work in your entire lives...& if U had done ur job America would not B Broken
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u lying scumbag politicians have destroyed this once great country~!
& speaking of SCUMBAGS WHERE IS GINTHER & BERNACKI ? ~ WHO ARE THEY FUCKING NOW ?
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99% OF ALL POLITICIANS R 100% CORRUPT
HoodwinkedbyanAngel 1 year ago
does he even listen to the people? because i dont think most people were happy about the reform. in fact, i know that most people werent happy about the reform, but what does he care. he is a communist and therefore he says he cares about the people when he doesnt
beatlemaniaman 1 year ago
Greed and risk of a lawsuit is more important then a baby being neglected to the point of brain damage? Good people, please join the effort to fight back. contact me subscribe or call Christiana Care and tell them what you think about this situation. This should not happen, and if it does, the hospital and Dr.s should have some compassion.
See my Channel PLEASE. Together we can stop this corruption.
Be an advocate for innocent children and babies.
Lavastorm1973 2 years ago
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liveoutstanding 2 years ago
GO OBAMA HEALTHCARE IS NEEDED!
SlaveOfGod1993 2 years ago
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I totally agree with you. I am from Ireland and let me tell you the healthcare system here is far from perfect but from everyone I know that has experience of it in USA its awfull lot worse.
I very very strongly appeal to all Americans for your own sake support Obama in this. Your country needs it.
ruadhri44 2 years ago
Let me buy my health insurance from any of the 50 states. Now that would be real competition.
Why not let me have my car insurance the lowest in the country? Oh, I live in Chicago.
wsoxman 2 years ago
The President continues to show is lack of experience in leadership or execution of a plan.
This guy hasn't even ran a Kool Aid Stand, so how would he know about organization?
4 Years and Out,,,,,4 Years and Out
Oh, if he were White, I would say the very same thing. Just a great Bs artist
wsoxman 2 years ago
OBAMA..YOU ARE FIRED!
kissmytwinkys 2 years ago
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Right now, Health Insurance Co.s (HIC) executives are STANDING between you and your doctor,
denying you treatment, cherry picking only the healthiest people to insure and yet denying them care when they fall sick. HIC execs are telling your doctor which pill to prescribe.
SickOfPunditsOnTV 2 years ago
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Private Co Bureaucrats BETWEEN you and your doctor, denying care. Only purpose: deny as much care as possible to maximize profits for the private Co.s. Then they get HUGE bonuses and you or your relation dies because that critical procedure was NIXED!
SickOfPunditsOnTV 2 years ago
What an intelligent, knowledgeable and eloquent President!
Congrats to these USA!
SickOfPunditsOnTV 2 years ago
from what i can see americans dont really want or know what this plan really entails. typical of this administration to lie and manipulate things for thier own gain. its just sad there going to mess up our country like they are. seems the lazy and imoral people blly follow these people. basicaly i dont want to give 1 dollar to pay someone elses health care they can get it themselves
kilosierravabeach 2 years ago
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"Here in England our education is far superior to that of the USA. Our Health Care is also better because it is a right for everyone & the doctors & nurses in return receive more benefits as well as higher salaries compared to those of the United States." Please bring this to the US too. People who care about American families will support this healthcare reform.
takingcookies1 2 years ago
This obama thug and the democrats in this delusional health care plan are wanting to include illegal aliens. But, hey - we got change!
icicioic 2 years ago
Socialized medicine = lower standards = poor quality physicians trying to fix you = sucky healthcare.
This is really very simple, gov't will screw things up, wake up America! keep the politicians, and lawyers out of your health care decisions and business. Your health care decisions should be between you and your Doctor, not some gov't douchebag.
roodingle 2 years ago
Oh stop! Have you ever submitted a claim to your healthcare insurance company? Cause if you had, "socialized" medicine would be music to your ears. The private insurance companies have been raping America and people are dying. Those fucks have had plenty of time to compete to lower costs. Time is UP! Single payer all the way, (or at least public option.)
phillipmarch22 2 years ago 3
Well then maybe the gov't should investigate and punish the insurance companies when they don't pay claims properly. Believe me I believe all types of insurance claims are not paid out correctly by the insurance companies, not just health care. If an insurance company doesn't pay a claim you must hire a lawyer and sue civilly, a D.A. or A.G. should be investigating that. Socialized medicine will not work plz explain Medicare/Medicaid failures, those are good examples of gov't run insurance.
roodingle 2 years ago
Agree, my distain for insurance companies don't stop at the healthcare insurance. You state, ...you must hire a lawyer and sue civilly..., ya, you are usually so sick and broke you can't and then even if you do, the insurance companies hire the bad ass lawyers that can draw your case out until you are broke. Medicare does need work, but ask the people over 65 if we should tell them, sorry, medicare is not available anymore. Lets look at VA healthcare, that is the model we should be after.
phillipmarch22 2 years ago
so you think with the gov involved prices will go down you are silly if they wanted to bring costs down they would now. i dont see anything in the constitution that say i should buy healthcare for someone else or be made to get it, the gov is trying to get rich of it
kilosierravabeach 2 years ago
> Google: Dem Health Care Bill To Increase Deficit By At Least $1 TRILLION
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> STOP the healthcare takeover before it is too late!
BLCalifornia 2 years ago
This much is true. Obama doesn't have to obey any American laws. He is the Second Son of God.
howardbunz 2 years ago
but they aren't going to play by the rules they make for us. This is the nanny state...but watch, how many of they are going to be getting extra health insurance with their raises they voted for (once again on our dime). Additionally, they will live in mansions and fly planes and yet they lecture us about our carbonfootprint. THEY can afford more carbon credits....on our dime.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
The fact regarding AMA opposition is misleading.
One should also consider that the American College of Physician supports a single-payer system, as well as the American Medical Student Association; arguably the more altuistic organizations in medicine.
skybluesky 2 years ago
The "Cigarette Smoking" president of the United States wants to dictate healthcare to the rest of us.
Obama is the most arrogant, narcissistic person on the planet.
geetryflb 2 years ago 3
Notcie how the most visable man on the planet doesn't get photographed smoking...the media is is prtecting him and trying to give us a "Camelot image" but privately the press says he "reeks" of smoke so they know he is still smoking. So where does he smoke? That's right folks in the White House...which is against the law (no smoking in federal buildings..typical do as I say,..not as I do mentality. WELCOME to the LEFT WING people..they know whats best for us
pieceomeat 2 years ago 2
Of the 46 MILLION, almost 10M turn out to be illegals, and 10-12M were those that briefly were w/o insurance (less than 6 months)!
Now the small letters on insurance policies still become a far better situation than what obamas offering. The small print can be read! With obamas policies, much like the pork barrel spending bills, the obama care program will not be read until AFTER its signed into law!
THEN........ youre CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN option of coverage will be GONE!
bigtex501 2 years ago
Only, (cont) A public plan would dictate terms with employers to increase their costs to cover employees and employees loosing MORE of their hard earned money to obama...... And I could go on.. but you know this already!
And theres MANY things many people dont have... but often by choice! New cars, cell phones, HD TVs, Blue Ray products, etc.... so why does the Taxpayer have to pay for what they choose NOT to buy?
And obamas uninsured numbers of 46 million is a lie!
(cont)
bigtex501 2 years ago
A public option is just more choice, the US post service competes with FedEx and UPS, they don't cry out fault. Why should the health insurance. The US Postal Service is one of the cornerstones of the success of the United States in the past century. I don't want the broken health care system to be the cornerstone of the failing of the USA. We either inject a little competition into the healthcare system, or we fail as a nation.
onlyrey 2 years ago
Only,
Not too well informed are you????
FedEx has been shipping for the Post Office for years and unlike the P.O., guarantees overnight shipping all over the World. But the P.O. contracted with FedEx to save costs and to lower it's budget due to the high cost of the government running the P.O.
ANOTHER case of the private sector doing a better job at a better price!
bigtex501 2 years ago
only,
Everyone still has to pay for their own "mail", whether it's USPS, Fed Ex, UPS, etc
Do you think if USPS offered free overnight shipping that Fed Ex & the others will be in business?
SAME thing w/the health insurance companies --- this will cause their collapse
pantherprowl22 2 years ago
@Pant,
There is no free lunch, we already pay for healthcare. It is overall 19% of GDP. Nobody says that the Public Option has to be freer. USPS is paid, the Public Option proposed is paid directly too. Hidden costs of the broken healthcare are in low job mobility (people stay in a crappy job because it gives good health insurance); remember the raising phoenix? Because Americans have good job mobility, we can start new ventures, or move to jobs where we can add more value to the economy.
onlyrey 2 years ago
@Pant (continuation),
Another plus for he public option is that having a healthy workforce makes sense because there will be much less lost productivity overall.
The public option makes perfect economic sense.
onlyrey 2 years ago
The insurance companies will not collapse because there is a public option, they will just be put on their toes... I for one would buy into the public plan (I am willing to pay for it) and maybe complement it with private insurance. If you pay for health insurance (whether you or your employer pay for it by reducing your direct compensation) you will find out that your insurance is only there when you don't need them... The moment you need them,they will try to step on you every chance they get
onlyrey 2 years ago
onlyrey:
I suggest you go enroll into Econ101
Yes, the "public option" will ABSOLUTELY cause the industry to collapse
This is why the MAJORITY of Americans (those with brains), are opposed --- as is the American Medical Association (AMA)
Do you think when John & Sally see everyone else getting free healthcare, they'll want to continue their plan thru the employer & pay $200-$300 per month? NO. Many will jump on to the Govt tit
pantherprowl22 2 years ago
@Panther, dude, chill. Lets see, tell me with your ECON101 why the public option would be bad? Lets see if you ever took it, and if you did if you understand basic microeconomics.
onlyrey 2 years ago
Explain how the public option will cause the collapse of the [health] insurance industry? Why hasn't the USPS caused the collapse of the transportation industry? Use your ECON-101.
onlyrey 2 years ago
The health-care industry will have a choice, stop ripping people off or go out of biz. Where the fuck do they get off jacking up our rates to support their stock price? The funny thing about the "Capitalist" system is that you always have to make more. Turning a billion dollar profit every year isn't good enough because it's not growth. You do know how the stock market works, doncha? There's no way we can compete with that. Especially with wages going down. The bastards are out to suck us dry.
HemiHead66 2 years ago
i agree panther that the public will go with the more inexpensive plan. whichever that may be.
the problem with healthcare system today is that doctors, even though many may not like to, have to screen you for insurance/method of payment before they even treat you. that's the biggest problem with how the system is structured today.
Physicians are willing to forgo a risk in wage reduction in exchange for a system that allows them to practice medicine. NOT BILLING.
skybluesky 2 years ago
The more government gets involved, the more it ends up costing us all. Obama wants to throw money at this with NO outline of a plan? Havent we learned our lesson yet? How much taxpayer money is being spent on healthcare and other programs for illegals? (oops, does that make me a right wing extremist?) Wake up America and let your elected officials know how you feel! We have been bamboozled enough! Get big government out of our lives!
soulmate020292 2 years ago
But its according to Obama its "necessary" and no amount of common sense, logic or reasoning will change his mind into helping destroy the U.S and emptying the banks after he takes them over by force.... we already have Government Motors.... pretty soon Wall Street is going to be called Obama Street....
bittergunowner12 2 years ago
33.2 trillion is the latest fig
kkaminskijd 2 years ago
One way to help make health care more affordable. Let it become more of a free market in health insurance. For example, in IL., I can't buy a health insurance plan from another state. Let me buy from another state. More competition. That would lead to lower premiums.
popcur 2 years ago 2
Where does this stop? Why not have everyone pay the very same preimums for Car and Life Insurance?
In most states it's the law that drivers have insurance. Then why do I have to pay for "uninsured motorists" and Higher rates then someone that lives in the country?
wsoxman 2 years ago
All my life, ever democrat politician CONSTANTLY reminds me that there are rich people in America and that whatever issue they are talking about we have to "make the rich pay their fair share", whatever that means. But there is ONE issue when "the rich" suddenly disappear, and that is medical insurance. They breathlessly tell us that 20 million people don't have medical insurance, but never mention the FACT that almost all well to do types DON'T NEED OR WANT medical insurance!
sirjames45 2 years ago
There are also plans to tax health care benefits. Guess who ends up paying? The employees. don't get fooled by this trick of claiming the employers would pay taxes on health care. This will make matters worse. Obama is a one man free market/limited government wrecking nmachine.
popcur 2 years ago
I believe in free markets and competition, but to tell you the truth, the US health care system is making the United States of America less competitive in the global marketplace. Companies and people go bankrupt because of high healthcare prices. Americans have been brainwashed to believe we don't deserve better regarding healthcare. I do believe we deserve better.
onlyrey 2 years ago
So you want the government, which can't even balance a budget, find out were all that bailout money went or run our public schools to run our health care, its just the lives of you and your loved ones at stake.
bittergunowner12 2 years ago
onlyrey, You are right on "we deserve better"
I need a better car. I need a better job. I need better pay. I need lower taxes"
I deserve a government that will stay out of my life.
wsoxman 2 years ago
@wsoxman,
If antitrust laws were applied to the health insurance AND delivery markets, you would see a lot of improvement. Sadly, when you or I find out how crappy the Status quo is, all we can do is bite the bullet.
We DO need government to require the private players in the health care system to behave, and they are NOT behaving right now. They are abusing the system in so many ways it is criminal.
onlyrey 2 years ago
If you have ever had to deal with insurance claims because of a individual plan you would understand how bad it works in the US. Have you ever received multiple bill statements from a hospital? Would you buy a PC-Laptop if the company gave you 10 different bills for the parts over 3 months? and then kept sending you bills? I wouldn't.
onlyrey 2 years ago 2
Let's stick to the problem instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water..... If you want to "change" the problem, get your politicians to go after the INSURANCE INDUSTRY!
Much like the polls showing people NOT supporting obama's hostile take over of GM... GM's not going to produce BETTER autos... they're expected to be less of a vehicle at a higher cost! And... since obama's into the "green", they'll also be autos that people really don't want!
(more to come)
bigtex501 2 years ago
I don't like defending politics, but the truth is that Obama did not do a hostile takeover of GMr, nor did congress. GM is in bankruptcy court under chapter 11 which means that it needs to restructure. The government put $30 Billion to help keep it kind of together, I don't agree with that either. A public plan is NOT a hostile takeover of health care, it is offering an option to many who Don't have it. Do you have health insurance? What kind? If you do, read the small letters on your policy
onlyrey 2 years ago
Only, Yes, obama did do a HOSTILE take over of GM! And it's at $50 Billion dollars not $30!
And the bankruptcy details were NOT determined by GM, they were determined by obama! Then in the HOSTILE take over, obama walked away holding 65% of GM's interests as the CONTROLLING stock holder!
On obama Care... just use some common sense. A "public plan" would NOT involve the government and ADDED TAXES to pay for this. A "public plan" would NOT give out FREE health care (socialism) to all!
bigtex501 2 years ago 2
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And in this estimation of 46,000,000 uninsured, 9,000 of that # are those that are in our country illigally if you go by the Government's numbers! So coverage includes MORE than Americans!
But it's another obama socialist program to be in control of our lives personally! For me, I don't want BIG BROTHER deciding how to deal with my health, or to dictate the terms for coverage.
Now, I can "change" Ins Comp at will or choose "NO" to coverage... with obama, there's NO CHOICE!
bigtex501 2 years ago
Of the 46 million, and estimated 13-16 million people CAN afford insurance, but don't want to pay for it. CNN
CNN, est 15 million CITIZENS are without health insurance and can't afford it. Can't we just focus on them? Pay for it by putting in E Verify to catch the fraud of illegals.
wsoxman 2 years ago
WSO,
Numbers I have are....
Of the 47M...
9.4 Million are illegal aliens...
18.8 Million are those making over $50K year & choose not to buy insurance or will have insurance within a year from job transitions.
14.1 Million are eligible for Medicare / Medicaid
leaving 4.7 Million w/o insurance for some reason!
Just think... how much of the 787 billion "Stupidlus" bill could we use to buy the 4.7 Million coverage for 10 years?
And Pelosi wants to spend $500 Million on more PRIVATE jets?
bigtex501 2 years ago
typical loser attitude! you are nothing but a frustrated, angry nobody with nothing going for you in life.. I figure that much already based on your comments here alone. typical angry loser soon turn vigilante.. McVeigh-like. quit whining and bitching about your life and do something about it! cause nobody is impressed or convinced about your comments.
denisefan 2 years ago
obama talked about "change" but if you notice he never said anything about "choice"! Couldn't because that's exactly what he's going to remove from American Society....... the CHOICE to choose your own healthcare.
But beware, once obama care is in place, to save costs, many will no longer be able to get the same care they've depended on before. And to get the money obama needs for this MASSIVE spending spree that never ends, SOCIAL SECURITY will need to be tapped.
Socialism? Yep, sure is!
bigtex501 2 years ago 4
this health care plan is just one tool of trying to decrease population
popcur 2 years ago 3
Popcur, Yikes, that just may be the case!!!!! And I have reminded people of how poorly the Government runs the schools!
Just think of all the money that goes into schools and the students are the last to see any benefits of the money spent... now just think about being a patient under "obama care"... Much larger, but as you say, more life threatening than the school situation!
Good call my friend!!!!!
bigtex501 2 years ago
Not to mention the DMV, Social Security, Welfare... oh what doesn't the government run that disaster called Medicaid? Thanks for mentioning the public schools.... lets see what else the government screwed up...
bittergunowner12 2 years ago
BitterGun,
And this is why LESS government is ALWAYS the way to go. It's simple... the less the politicians (government) have control over, the less they can MESS UP!
Sad part though, is the few out there still supporting obama thinking hes so great and cheering him on... But delusions of enablers like this would even tell a person that weighs 800 lbs., you look so good and we support you eating nothing but donuts all day!
bigtex501 2 years ago
Obama is right on fast-track with AIPAC
Signature_-:=
National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine,
Joshua Jeremy Schmielblick
ssvalhall 2 years ago
This is how universal healthcare looks in other countries. It's hell.
/watch?v=_vNQFa_4S80
BlueSkies360 2 years ago
Thank god I live in Canada.
lavenpine88 2 years ago 3
Well...it's going to be interesting to see what the Senate and House came up with, since he left it up to those bloodsuckers!...Ted Kennedy worked on his health care plan for yrs. but couldn't get it through....I'd like to read it.
hajqbvii 2 years ago
Those damn insurance company owners have gold Toilets! before you get on Obama, look up the owners of these companies. THEY ARE LOADED! Gold Toilets, money for generations... look it up. HELP US OBAMA!!!
chrisr291 2 years ago
fuck health care.... i need work
merkyaleez59 2 years ago 5
We all need health care!
chrisr291 2 years ago 2
health care would be nice if people could afford it.
merkyaleez59 2 years ago 3
No kidding, i'm in college and turned 25. I have no insurance and broke my leg. It cost my mother and I 8,000. I'm broke..... and people treat you bad if you say "I have no insurance."
chrisr291 2 years ago 3
I wonder why in America, the same meds we get in Europe and Canada are usually 4 times more expensive....it should be forbidden to advertize drugs on any media channel. The lab industry spends almost 3 billion dollars a year with the adds....Guess who is paying it?
classicallady 2 years ago
We'll get less for our money because you have fucked us over by taking us from 4 trillion to 12 trillion in debt, thereby making our dollar worth less, you fucking monkey.
ILFUnited 2 years ago
you're ignorant as shit! ask yourself what's your real problem with him... being the first black president, being a democrat, or his actions on trying to do something better than his predecessor who's the real dummy of all dummies?
denisefan 2 years ago
I don't give a shit if the fucker was purple, he's fucking up badly. How am I ignorant if we have tripled our national debt in the first 100 days he was in office?! Your statement didn't shoot anything I said before down, you just showed that you like playing race cards, and political cards. You show your ignorance by not paying attention to what he is doing. Obama is a socialist and socialism turns into communism aka a dictatorship. Look at world history you monkey.
ILFUnited 2 years ago
ILFUnited, listen you Ape, much of Europe are socialists when it comes to economic models (Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway)... they did not turn into communists did they? besides, there are no real communists left in the world except for N. Korea and Cuba. America will never become Socialists or Communists, stop your paranoia and stop inbreeding within your own family, you dumb hick!!!
denisefan 2 years ago
60, 75% in taxes... great living in europe.
BlueSkies360 2 years ago
I'm from the UK. you clearly havent done your research. Stop fear mongering and get your facts right.
mnwike 2 years ago
Good for fucking Europe. we aren't Europe, I enjoy being able to decide for myself what I wish to do, not to have some monkey in a suit do it for me. You still haven't said anything of value, you have remained a stupid cunt. Too bad it isn't LEGAL to kill people who piss you off. We need to go back to the wild west where murder was allowed. I'd have fun with you bitch.
ILFUnited 2 years ago
the only thing you can have fun with is your brain which is full of garbage and dirt.. full of anger.. why don't you try and do something instead of hiding behind the computer and bitch about your idiot notions and beliefs? See if you can make any difference. LOL! typical pathetic loser with nothing going for him. And that's enough waste of my time with your sorry ass!
denisefan 2 years ago
Wow this entire time you have said nothing of value to dispute anything I have said, you have been a race card player, a political card player, a dumbass, and a cock sucker. If we continue to have idiots like you having a voice, then we are a doomed country. Too bad so sad that I don't know you in real life. I'd have a party on your face.
ILFUnited 2 years ago
Last time I checked... people died in Europe and Canada waiting for treatment... not to mention Europe, England in particular is in FAR WORSE shape financially and economically then we are. One of the reasons why is because of universal health care.... it is one of their biggest financial drains.
The government can't even balance a budget or run our public schools, and now people want them to run our health care? Its just the lives of you and your loved ones at stake.
bittergunowner12 2 years ago
Why are you preaching to me about this? I think the Government Health Program is a horrible idea. I've been saying its a bad idea and I hate Obamanation, not because he's black, which he's actually not, he's half, and not because he is a democrat, but because he is a FUCKING MORON who took us from under $4 Trillion in debt, to just under $12 Trillion in debt in his first 100 days in office, how does someone do that?!!!!
ILFUnited 2 years ago
watt willst du denn ey
Krabbeldiewandnuff 2 years ago
Jobs are more important than health care Obama. We cant afford your health care.
Squirelbutt 2 years ago
dumb ass
kkaminskijd 2 years ago
I'd say both are pretty equal in importance.
ILFUnited 2 years ago