Sam you're saying the law about the shirt is different,but you equate illegal immigration to rape.If you understood or have sympathy you would understand that is not as simple as her supporting people breaking the law.
We need to secure the borders and stop demonizing who are already here.. Whites have unique sense of entitlement. When immigrants became brown, the laws changed. If you want to be technical about it, white people are illegally occupying the Cherokee nation.
@superjtrdr Come on, the immigrants coming to this country legally come from every nation of this earth. The point of illegal immigration is just that. If you want to immigrate to this country follow the system of legal immigration. What makes Illegals more special then those doing it legally. Illegals are criminals and thumb thier nose at the laws of this country. As far as hispanics being native what tribe do they belong to? If your entitled to this land, whats your arguement? NO AMNESTY
A few mo back, a mexican neighbor across the street offer to buy me food with her food card if I took her shopping. I declined, b/c it felt weird! I gave her a ride though. Another time she offered me twice the amount of food for cash,I said no, & felt bad since b/c we R neighbors. I gave her diapers,toilet paper - which she insisted she needed. Knowing her, I'm guessing,her boy friend wants drug/alcohol $-$. I smell & see a lot of that going on there. This is another failed Gov program.
Boy, do illegals have this since of entitlement? I am a human being, so I should be able to come into the U.S. I just want to make a better life for myself and family, so its okay. This, and every other country, has laws. If we were only to pick and choose what laws we WANT to follow, we would be a total chaos.
Crossing into this country or another without proper consent is a crime and should be treated as such. Not given a job, food, cash, housing and medical care once a child is born in USA.
HEY MEXICANS if you want to take the land why dont you fight us for it?instead of sneaking in,having a billion babies,making everybody feel sorry for you,outnumbering everybody,then calling people racist if they dont let you take over their country...
Hispanics control Mexico,Central,and South America,now they want North America as well,bunch of greedy M-F-ers
if you&your people can't enjoy success in your own country what makes you think taking over US will be any different for you?
racisum is a deasease that is growing in numbers untill will learn to love and except ou selfs for what and who we are. we will be able to live with eachother in tolerance .
she is an american hero . just the fact that she is there she is demonstrating that she can use the first amendment , as her right so if you dont like . you get out . this country has had ilegal inmigration since it was founded just becouse you change the names dont change the fact that no one but the natives belong here, and when i say natives i mean my ancestor the indians, my people streched from north to central and south america, once again you leave becouse am staying.
Lmfao fashion police! Anyway Stef you ignorant scum bucket it's america and because of just that fact she can talk,sound and do as she pleases if you don't like that stick a fat juicy dick in your ear and in your ass oh and choke on a ball sack :-) Kay thanks!!!!!! God bless
@stefaneuropean Germans, French, Italians, etc are EUROPEAN bcs they were born in Europe (a continent) so, with that said Canadians, Mexicans and we.....all of us are AMERICAN bcs our countries are in North America (another continent). Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, etc are in South America (continent as well). Btw, we speak English in the USA but there is not national language in the US. The most dominant od widely spoken here in the USA is English though. Btw, she is bilingual, what about you?
@Obamaownswhitesnow I was not talking about continent,in America ,people from china ,africa ,India,Pakistan,korea come but they do not speak or ask other people to speak their language .If Mexicans wish to speak spanish,better to speak in their country.I speak Bulgarian and a foreigner speaks same language as mine in my country.
America is not bilingual ,you latinos want to make it,as you do not wish or cannot learn English.
@Obamaownswhitesnow why shall americans learn ur spanish.When they go to ur country they will speak it,in america u speak english.Other immigrants from asia or europe are doctors ,scientist and from south america are maids,farmers,mechanic ,truck drivers.
@stefaneuropean Thanks for the lesson. I didnt know that in South America there are no doctors, or scientists. Maybe in Europe or Asia, the scientists and doctors are so many they have to work as farmers, maids, mechanics or truck drivers. Btw, Im not offending at all these people or looking down at those jobs. Thats your position not mine. I strongly believe hard work equals dignity.
@Obamaownswhitesnow They can have their dignity as rest of immigrants by speaking English and respect America,instead they want to impose their language on Americans.I will never agree if that happens here in Europe.
@stefaneuropean Americans brag about freedom, democracy, etc, right? Well, this people have the freedom to speak their own language and you you know what? There are enough people of each race in the US (varies state by state) so them dont have to learn English to survive. I dont have problem as an open minded person and almost trilingual but others....specially racist people they have it. This is not about a language. For racist is about the race.
@Obamaownswhitesnow - The De Facto language of the US is English .. So knowing English is the easiest way of living here since everything is English and it's our given language.
@AnotherYankee English is a plus here, of course but in states like Florida, Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, New Jersey, New York or Illinois for example, knowing Spanish is a lifesaver.
@Obamaownswhitesnow The "take over" as you have put it is happening only because America has let this issue get out of hand. It will take awhile BUT America will soon get tired of the "I deserve to be here, give me give me" attitude.
Speak loud enough, you will be heard. You may not like the outcome of your demands. Ideally, mass deportation of illegals (Legal children can stay or return to the home country of the parents. If remaining, should be provided for by the state of residence.
@KKKn50cal Cocksucker, keep wasting your time @ YouTube. Regardless of what you do or say, the transition is happening and an insignificant cum eater like you can't do shit to stop it. Get comfortable bcs the journey is going to be long, painful and tedious.
@Obamaownswhitesnow So the truth is your a little sister fuckkking anchorRat. Keep dreaming anchorRat because it still isn't going to happen. It doesn't matter what scum like you or the fuckkking liberals want. It won't happen. You shittt stains are taking mexifornia broke and that makes me laugh. Soon even that mexiroach state will have to face the truth about you illegals.
@KKKn50cal Mexicans are taking what belongs to them anyway. The rest of latinos are just working hard to get where they're at. Jump, scream, fight and bitch all you want. You are nobody. By the way, you should start learning some Spanish and Chinese btw, ha ha ha!
@Obamaownswhitesnow If you wet backkks want to take what is theirs, they should fight in their own fuckkked up countries. Do like the people in the Middle East if you have balls enough. Get rid of the dictators in mexico and the rest of wetbackkkville. None of these wetbackkks work. They are all lazy welfare sucking scum.
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jajajaaja, learn wetback or commie chinese? jajajajajajajajaja
@KKKn50cal Südamerikanischen Ländern sind verschraubt es ist wahr, aber die Realität ist auch er in die Vereinigten Staaten. Haben Sie nicht wie Ihre ganze Land aussehen sinkt? N Sie erkennen, dass nichts in Amerika getan ist und alle Arbeit stammt aus Südamerika, Asien, Indien und anderen Ländern? Lehnen Sie sich zurück und ist weiterhin der Ansicht, dass Ihr Land das Beste ist. Es ist erbärmlich, um zu sehen wie Idioten wie Sie noch gibt.
@KKKn50cal Its so easy to get under your dirty skin pig. If you want to align me with mexicans, go ahead. Rather been a nice mexican than a dirty ameriCANT, lol!
@KKKn50cal I dont have nothing to be ashamed of and if I were Mexican, there is nothing wrong about it. The only one here with complex and mental/emotional issues is you.
@Obamaownswhitesnow - Not really .. Unless you live in Hispanic Neighborhoods. I live in NY . Most have corrective English .. Unless I go to South Bronx .. Same for Phoenix .. Same for Jersey and Chicago. Unless your a white or black or Asian in one of these cities Hispanic dominated neighborhoods, then it's all alright. I would know. Been to lived in Chicago for about 6 years .. Been to Los Angeles, been to Dallas .. Unless it Miami where all waiters or service workers speak Spanish lol
This old lady is right after all. If we pay attention to what she says, she is right. Who is going to work at the fields, us? Maybe some us could but other 'americans' think they are too good to work at the fields (or other jobs) or might ask $25 an our to do things these people do for way less. I think having some of them here is a win/win situation situation.
@Obamaownswhitesnow How about the unemployed... they might be willing to do the work. Anyone ever ask them? And no one is complaining about them doing work, just doing it illegally - and being in the country legally.
@Obamaownswhitesnow Just out of curiousity, and this is in no way meant to offend you, but are aware of the impact of illegal immigration and how it's affecting the United States? Just a question.
@Obamaownswhitesnow The old lady may be right but let Mexicans speak English,get money for their handwork and go back when they wish too. If they wish to be american to my opinion then they should learn english and not ask americans to learn spanish.
You see, this is exactly what's wrong with those that support illegal immigration. They fail to grasp the concept of borders and a country's laws. As if the United States should just open its borders to everyone in the world, and in the meantime the rest of the world enforces their borders. Illegal immigration is costing this country billions of dollars a year, I don't really understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
@SuperConfounded Not only the immigration costs us money, but nonsense wars too. Bush and his gang spet BILLIONS of taxpayers money but got richer and richer with all those contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. War cost this country blood and money while those on top get rich using our resources.
@Obamaownswhitesnow you are stupid. . . . no way around it. first off your saying that because other things waste a lot of our money its ok that illigal immigrants waste our money. also the unemployed legal citizens would do the work so its a lose lose for us and a win win for the illegals. personally i think that we should defend our borders like a warzone and anyone trying to get in illegaly should be treated as if they had declared war on America. democrats = scumbags its simple.
I always tell those, who tell White American's 2 leave back to Europe, bcuz we took the land from the Indian's...BOO FUC-ING-HOO! Every country at one piont was fought over, the biggest and badest won and took the lad, has always been, and I am proud of every land my forefathers counquered and took. It is a primal law of nature! We won the Bunker's hill game and this this land is OURS!!! get over yourselve's. were here to stay like it or not. And I also would assasinate any one moving in on us!
your ancestors didnt come to this country legally most just came and took over the country by killing its native inhabitants before they came here natives had rules and your ancestors just killed them and took over how is that even legal?
So you're basically saying because of the wrongs of our ancestors, it's ok for illegals to rape, murder, steal and generally terrorize and break the laws of America? Good for you buddy.
@YamsRyu is killing an entire population and taking their land not a fucking crime? not it wasnt just coming over to the US supposedly the "legal" way since there werent any laws but killing a population and taking their land is surely a crime
1). Latinos are getting what they deserve. That juvenile macho in your face culture is coming back to haunt them. The reasons have nothing to do with racism or zenophobia. It's about behavior. Latinos have clearly demonstrated that their loyalties lie with their criminal brethren. Look at the facts:
1. Hispanics despise all things not latino. Racism is rampant in their culture.
2. Latino communities across the country are providing massive support to their people in Mexico.
Supporting the invasion of our country by their people who are not legally authorized to be here is defined as treason.
3. Latinos refuse to learn the English language, and insist we learn their language. They continue to display their arrogance through their refusal to assimilate into the American culture.
4. Latinos hold no allegiance to the US or what it stands for. This allegiance remains to Mexico, and the Latino agenda. It's about race and the US lands and dollars.
5. They destroy every community they move into. Within no time, these once peaceful, law abiding multi-cultural communities become crime infested violent havens for foreign invaders.
6. They utilize social services payed for by hard working American citizens at an alarming rate, thus creating havoc with the social fabric of our society.
7. Latino children are destroying our public school system. Every school that becomes majority illegal tumbles into dismal performance.
8. They have children at a rate purposely disproportionate to American demographic standards. The majority of these poor children are raised in 3rd world conditions of squalor and poverty.
9. Latinos dwell on ancient historical myths. They feel entitled to parts of the US, regardless of international recognition of our country's borders.
So I'll answer the question: Are latinos a clear and present danger to the US?
The answer supported by factual data is a resounding yes...
California’s 11 million illegal aliens cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion each year. Educating the children of illegals is the greatest cost, estimated at $9.7 billion each year. Medical care for illegal aliens and incarceration of those who commit crimes are the next two largest expenses. Next is fraud and theft.
California an unfortunately shameful example of how runaway illegal immigration has all but destroyed the economy and turned some communities into outright dismal disgraces...
The drug and birthright problem aside, even essential services have over the years have become harder for those native to this country to utilize, simply because many of those here illegally and working do not speak English.
Think I'm kidding? Go to some stores, mini-marts and other establishments throughout California and see if the attendant truly understands your needs.
It's not science, or secret. They are illegals. If you come to the U.S. do it legally and learn the language...
@fretsward fuk you and your english, english belongs in europe, it has no place in the americas , go back to where you came from you illegal pilgrim anchor baby
You, like many of your ilk, have no comprehension of history, including yours. Your parasitic ease and peace was interrupted when you were a little girl by the arrival of the whitemen. Each day the population increased. Some observed the newly arrived with great consternation. As the gold rush exploded, they came, each time in haste. They didn't strip-mine the resources, unlike the current invader who pretends to have settled the lands, which was impossible...
@fretsward Then perhaps we should make the immigration process easier so as to ameliorate this problem. If they were given US citizenship the ones who made enough money to be taxed would have to pay up.
@incredulosity - For most of US history, illegal immigration was not a problem of present magnitude. The country enforced its borders. What has changed is the reality that many enter illegally, allowing the disrespect of fundamental issues as rule of law, sovereignty, assimilation, and respect.
Parse the logic: The misconception that being a citizen is as simple as climbing a fence. You don't give citizenship. You earn citizenship. You don't earn it by walking into the country...
@fretsward Illegal immigration wasn't as common as it is now because there were other conduits through which Mexican people could find temporary jobs in the US. Most notably, the Bracero Program employed about 500,000 Mexican nationals at its peak, almost all of whom returned to Mexico in the off-season. I think that citizenship is important, but the road to obtaining working papers in the country should be much easier.
@incredulosity - Although braceros were supposed to be hired only if an adequate number of Americans could not be found, employers preferred the foreign workers who obviously would work for much lower wages. The progrm ended in 1964 due to complaints from unions and Mexican-Americans that illegal aliens were taking jobs from not just American workers, but them as well.
Actually, 6.8 million Mexican workers came into the country. Today, agri-jobs represent only 2% of illegal aliens...
@fretsward Okay, but my point was that there were alternative to illegal immigration that helped to stem the flow of immigrants. Without those options, there is no alternative for many illegal immigrants. This is not to say that the Bracero Program was perfect, but with stricter enforcement of minimum wage laws the problems you outlined wouldn't exist.
@incredulosity - The illegal alien population of the US. is about 40 million - more than New York State. There are 15 to 25 million jobs currently held by illegal aliens.
Moreover, between 8 to 10 million jobs have shifted to the underground economy since 1990. These are not jobs Americans won’t do, but jobs Americans used to do.
On the revenue side, the US is foregoing $75 billion a year in income tax collections because of jobs that are now off the books.
@fretsward "The illegal alien population of the US. is about 40 million"?? Still posting up bogus stats, huh frets? Here's what the US Census Bureau says about our population, it's at 48.4 mil with another 4 mil in Puerto Rico. The undocumented pop. stands at about 10.5 mil not at what you claim.
As of 2007 there were 2.3 mil Hispanic owned businesses (up 43.6% from 2002) with a total of 345.2 Billion in generated receipts (up 55.5% from 2002). Just a few more facts to counter your BS.
It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau estimated 8.7 million illegal immigrants were here in 2000, and immigration officials estimate that the illegal immigrant population grows by as many as 500,000 every year.
According to the Pew Hispanic Center, He [Jeffrey Passell]told us that Pew's data indicate that 11.9 million illegal immigrants were in the United States in 2007. Immigration officials estimate that the illegal immigrant population grows by as many as 500,000 every year.
@LucaviAD LUCAVI LUCAVI - hit me with a PM - I gotta tell you, I moved to Sweden XD XD HAHA TO GET AWAY FROM NO SPEAKY ENWISH CUNTS LIKE THAT - FUCK those fucking retarded mother fuckers !!!
4K or 4M - 100% of illegals in the US are criminals via their very existence here illegally. Add welfare fraud, identity theft, unlicensed driving, uninsured driving, drunk driving, working illegally, tax evasion, the list goes on. Multiply that by 10M+ & any ignorant arguments of stereotyping or "racism" rings hollow. Every illegal alien in the US is a criminal, it is just a question of degree!
Estimates show amnesty would significantly increase tax revenue. B/c both their income & tax compliance would rise, the most likely scenario is average illegal alien households paying 77% ($3,200) more / yr in fed taxes once legalized. Still - it's not enough to offset the 118% ($8,200) / household increase in costs that would come with legalization though amnesty would significantly increase both the average income and tax payments of illegal aliens.
If illegal aliens were given amnesty then began paying taxes & using services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 / household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29B.
@Torodelvalle2 - Union local 2544 states that the illegal alien population based on the Arizona region is 18 to 28 million. They also stated that 4 to 5 thousand enter daily in that sector. In 2005, 10 million entered illegally, and in 2002, 4 million crossed. In 2004, they estimated at least 25 million illegals were here.
Realistic count place the numbers at 5 to 15 thousand crossers daily. If we lower the figures to not hurt your feelings, say 7 thousand. That's 2.5 million per year...
We cannot suddenly disregard our country's immigration principles simply to appease the National Council of La Raza. Embracing citizenship and our laws are precisely what makes our country successful, stable and unique in the world. These concerns do not represent a selfish interest in protecting the country from the inclusion of legal immigrants for they are about being a nation of laws.
These laws and responsibilities apply to everyone. It's not racist or xenophobic to dissent...
@fretsward I mainly object to immigration laws that are arbitrary and unenforceable. It is very difficult to get an American visa, and since programs like Bracero are no longer in effect there are no options for people who want to work in the Us but live in Mexico. On enforceability, it is unreasonable to believe that deporting millions of illegal immigrants, who are mostly law-abiding and hard-working, is money well spent.
@incredulosity - The citizens of the US have the sole right to determine the nation's laws - not lawless illegal foreign agents who choose to illegally enter the US and make demands upon our sovereign government.
First, we must admit there are many contradictions regarding this issue that has become this single most important one affecting our country, it's citizens, and its future...
Over the next 7 years the total cost of illegal immigration to the taxpayer (immediate benefits minus taxes paid) is likely to be at least $4.9 trillion.
This number is guaranteed go up significantly if we allow criminals aliens to dictate immigration policy leading to another large wave of 10s of millions of illegal aliens entering the country and receiving services.
@fretsward I didn't say that foreigners should be making US policy. Immigration reform is in the best interest of everyone living within our borders, regardless of citizenship status. You continually bring up costs to taxpayers, but if all of those immigrants were legalized they would be paying taxes to support these expenses. Further, if we cut back funding to ICE we would save immensely, especially when much of ICE's deportations are of law abiding people who pose no threat to our security.
@incredulosity - Immigration reform is the code word for amnesty. Why must we alter the laws to accommodate illegal aliens? You don't legalize criminals. Even with your stance, the costs of social services would still overwhelm taxes generated. It's a losing proposition. Cut funding to ICE? You have to be kidding? You are not law abiding when you break into the county. Nice prevarication.
They are a threat to our security, and our future as a country.
The US takes in more legal immigrants than do all other countries combined. We souldn't make anything easier for anyone. You come here, you should first and foremost want to become an American, not expect us to make things easier just for you or your people.. There is no justification. Come here legally, or not at all...
@fretsward Ideally, no one would need to come here to provide for their families, but the reality is that people do and millions of them are willing to risk imprisonment, deportation or death to do so. They are not a threat to our security. So, what's your solution? Deport all 40 million people? And at what cost are you going to deport them and secure the borders? Trying to enforce these unreasonable laws does nothing but waste more money.
@incredulosity - There in lies the rub. Many of us know that the underground agenda to reconquest the Southwest. They are not coming here to take care of their families, they are coming to take over. Yes, deport all who are here illegally.
Have you been paying attention. The die is cast. The country is going to enforce the laws. It's ridiculous to claim this as unreasonble, unless you are pro-illegal immigration. We have to stop the bleeding.
@fretsward They want to take over? Until there is evidence of an armed movement by Mexicans to reclaim the Southwest, I have no reason to believe your claim. Do you realize how much it would cost to locate and deport all 40 million? ICE has an annual budget of $5.7 billion and it has hardly made a dent in the illegal immigrant population. How much more should we waste enforcing these unnecessary restrictions?
@incredulosity - In 1997, pres Zedillioo proclaimed "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders." MALDEF founder Mario Obledo stated, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave. Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years." People who don't like such demographic changes "should go back to Europe."
It's like calling illegal aliens undocumented, which is like saying that bank robbers are informal withdrawal agents. The fiscal consequences of the next amnesty will be a staggering $490 billion a year. Mexico's population is still growing faster than its economy can supply jobs, and its recent free-market evolution has died. As a result, millions of illegals cross into the US.
Mexico wants the US to be a labor safety valve and host for its population...
@fretsward I don't disagree that the Mexican government and its economic policies are a disaster, but blaming them doesn't answer my question: where would we draw the resources for locating, prosecuting and deporting 40 million people? Where would we find the manpower and/or technology necessary to constantly guard the border? Knowing where the problem stems from is just one part of the answer; one must also find a pragmatic solution that can be realistically implemented soon.
Mexico is a narco 3rd world terrorist state trying to push its brand of anti-white, racist & antiquated ideology on the free citizens of a sovereign nation. The Mexican gov't is a hypocrisy that refuses to accept responsibility for the welfare of its own people. Mexico is home to most draconian immigration policies in the entire western hemisphere, yet feel the need to chastise the US on ours.
@LucaviAD "Tu quoque" isn't a valid argument. No matter how poorly Mexico conducts its own immigration, the immense cost of locating, prosecuting and deporting millions of illegal immigrants by the US still isn't realistic or cost-effective. The same is true of trying to "secure our borders" with a thousand miles of fence, surveillance cameras and border patrol.
@LucaviAD - Just what the propaganda arm of Mexico and the National Council of La Raza amnesty activists suggests - cozy up with Demoncats, quickly call opponents of their agenda hate groups, invent smears, serve La Raza, manipulate the press, and dupe everyone into the belief they come here to work.
The costs to deport en mass would be an estimated $34 billion. It would take more than 200,000 buses, stretching more than 1,800 miles. Just social services alone costs $139 billion per year...
And while we’re in fantasyland, let us also pretend that the $34 billion figure is even remotely accurate. The federal government has an annual budget of $2.34 trillion per year. Our Gross Domestic Product is a staggering $12 trillion per year (2005 estimate). $34 billion would be just 1.5% of the federal budget, and a miniscule 0.32% of our GDP.
@LucaviAD We need to address some of the underlying issues, mainly by preventing US employers from hiring illegal immigrants. An electronic verification system was proposed in 2007, but the bill was killed in Congress. Other measures in the bill included a new temporary guest worker program, a path to citizenship via paying $5,000 in fines and passing the USCIS test, and an increased number of green cards awarded based on employment and English proficiency.
@LucaviAD I mainly object to en masse deportation right now because we would be uprooting families who deserve the chance to be citizens. Why not give them the opportunity to prove their work ethic, become proficient in English, pass the citizenship test, and pay their fines through a legalization program? Many of the millions here illegally can and would take that opportunity, and ICE shouldn't waste time and resources deporting those families.
@incredulosity Wouldn't those opportunities, you described above, be more appropriately given to people who have played by the rules, taken the appropriate steps to enter the U.S. legally, and find themselves still waiting overseas b/c their spots in the U.S. are occupied by illegal aliens?
@DerailAmnestydotcom The people who have a chance to get work visas aren't competing with illegal immigrants for jobs in the first place. The people who receive work visas are college-educated and have a sponsor in the US. Therefore, I don't think that anyone's "spot" is being taken by illegal immigrants.
@incredulosity That would be true if every illegal alien in the U.S. worked, illegal aliens did not have any children while here, and every person seeking to immigrate here was applying for a work visa.
@DerailAmnestydotcom Again, people applying for work visas aren't competing with unskilled laborers who have no college education or their children. The fact is that immigrating to the US legally is extremely hard for even the most qualified people.
@incredulosity Again, not everyone seeking to legally immigrate to the country is seeking employment - skilled or otherwise. Further, most illegal aliens don't work. Lots are children and housewives. Amer. immigr. needs and visa allowances are directly related to/impacted by the number of folks here. In the absence of illegals, more people who lawfully apply to come here will be allowed in.
@DerailAmnestydotcom The error in your argument is that those people who want to immigrate here legally aren't actually here, so there is no need to make a compromise. What I support is purely practical; there are 10 million people here illegally, we can't deport all of them, and thus the best course of action would be to give them a path to legalization that would guarantee that they have the same responsiblities of everyone living in the US.
@incredulosity My error? There are no waiting periods from other countries to enter the U.S.? How long does it take to get into this country from Thailand or the P.I., if you have no relatives here and no special skills? / Your assertion is a joke. You don't know what you're talking about.
@DerailAmnestydotcom "Your assertion is a joke." Well, you seem to not understand what I was asserting in the first place. I never once stated that there "are no waiting periods from other countries to enter the US." Indeed, most people wait years to get their visas.
@DerailAmnestydotcom Your error is that you are comparing immigration from Thailand to immigration from Mexico, when in reality we will never have to deal with millions of illegal immigrants coming in from Thailand. We can control immigration from Thailand very easily with a low cost-benefit ratio, and therefore only allow the best applicants in.
@DerailAmnestydotcom The fact is that we share a border with a country that a lot of people want to leave, and we happen to be the country that they want to leave to. Now the question is: is it worth it to attempt to enforce immigration laws that ignore the extremely high demand for US immigration from Mexico and the 10-20 million (I continue to hear different figures) otherwise law-abiding people who are here illegally?
Law-abiding? Law-abiding illegal alien is an oxymoron. Mexico's "demands" are irrelevant to us so long as we enforce our laws. When did the U.S. become the necessary dumping ground of that nation's unwanted excess population? I fail to see why we become the de facto U.S. taxpayer-funded orphanage for citizens of a foreign nation b/c we share a border.
@DerailAmnestydotcom Note the word "otherwise;" as in, other than their immigration status, they don't violate any laws. The vast majority don't commit property crimes or violent crimes, and are thus not dangerous to the American citizenry.
@incredulosity Is "not dangerous" what qualifies a person for U.S. residency, in your book? You and I have very diff. ideas about what merits presence in my country. Answer me this. Hell, even take a guess. How many adult illegal aliens in the U.S. have not done one or more of the following? - Used a stolen Soc. Sec. #; Driven w/o a license; Utilized a fake drivers license; Utilized a fake Soc. Sec. card; Utilized a fake Green Card; Voted in a U.S. election; Worked for pay while in the U.S.
@DerailAmnestydotcom I consider violent crimes and property crimes to be the most important; the crimes that you list (I have no idea how many people have committed them) are crimes stemming from their status as illegal, which is a flawed premise. By identifying 10-20 million peaceful aliens as illegal and forcing them to either live as illegal or face deportation our government is imposing them to choose illegality, further feeding into their claims that these settlers are dangerous.
@DerailAmnestydotcom In reality, if the premise of their "illegal" status were removed, the crimes that you listed would no longer occur. And no, I don't believe that US citizenship should be based on whether someone isn't dangerous. I expect those who are given citizenship to have no criminal record, pay fines for the time they spent here illegally (unless they paid taxes), pass a citizenship test, and be proficient in Standard English. These are just the basics, there are probably more...
@incredulosity That's simply brilliant. Hey, let's take it a step further. Let's remove prohibitions against having sex with minors and embezzlement, too. That way, the crimes I "listed would no longer occur," either. Based upon what you've written here the past couple days, I'm relieved that you are responsible for neither creating legislation for immigration regulations nor composing the Penal Code.
@DerailAmnestydotcom That's a laughably invalid analogy because statutory rape laws and laws against embezzlement offer direct protection to the safety of the people. Even if you were to make these things legal, the damage would continue to happen; in other words, these are crimes against the natural rights of humans. Conversely, all of the "crimes" you listed would cease to harm anyone if illegal settlers were given a path to citizenship.
You mean ignore the fact illegal citizens have raped, murdered, stolen, loiter and just about break the laws period, but evidently giving them amnesty will 'make it all right' and not make more people think, gee I can get away with shit in america!
So when you say we should allow them to come here unfettered, you're also basically saying, let's allow illegals to also be abused and mistreated by their smugglers, to boot. Not very bright are you good sir.
@DerailAmnestydotcom Also, I'd like to point out that being a "born citizen" doesn't make one a good citizen. Plenty of US citizens don't pay taxes, know nothing about our govt, and can barely speak Standard English. This goes to show that our citizenship isn't completely merit-based, further showing that an idealized approach is only possible in theory, but not in practice.
@DerailAmnestydotcom I agree that our laws should be enforced, but the problem is that our laws are unenforceable. Even with a $6 billion annual budget, ICE can do nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. So, what's the solution? Do we deny that there is an increasing demand for unskilled laborers in this country and a decreasing population of unskilled "born citizens"? Do we continue to waste taxpayer money on half-measures that seek to keep hard workers and good families "illegal"?
Oh by the way, if you see nothing wrong with illegals- I need a place to crash for the next 50 years, and a place to raise my children, their children, allow my father to retire and to be on welfare but I don't have the cash on me right this very moment to own my own place.
How about I break into your home and crash on your couch, and invite my 40+ family members of aunts, cousins, uncles to come live with me too.
Be one big happy family and you would not be able to complain.
@YamsRyu Yes, residing within a country without documentation is definitely 100% analogous to breaking and entering and squatting in a house for 50 years. Except it's not if the people involved are earning their own money and paying taxes.
@fretsward Saying things like that isn't the same as action on their part. I'm still waiting for evidence of an armed movement that is trying to reclaim the US Southwest as part of Mexico.
@fretsward How are we a threat for our own country? We Hispanics have fought for this country since the Civil War! We're represented in every branch of our Armed Services. In fact many of what you call "anchor babies" are out there serving our country right now! You insult every single one of these patriots with your stupid comments! Whether you like it or not, WE will always be a part of this country.
History can't be rewound as some would like in their Reconquista for a land of barrenness before borders were established. Angry Mexicans must direct their angst towards Mexico or Spain for the Spanish conquest and Spanish colonization. Mexico won its independence, so now it's okay to abandon the independence won in Mexico?
Why now the anger and attitude of entitlement towards the US? This is due to the Mexican leadership's propaganda of blaming America for their problems.
Some Mexicans did join militia units in South Texas, and did so out of fear of being sent out of the state. Some were able to avoid conscription by claiming to be residents of Mexico. 1,500 Mexican Texans joined the Confederate Army.
In 1861, and on 3 separate occasions invaded northern Mexico in retaliation for Unionist inspired guerilla raids into Texas. Hispanics make up 7% of today's military. Not all do so for love of the US. You can be whatever you want, as lng as it's legal...
"WE Minutemen(KKK) rather have terrorist cross the Canadian border than to have deligent workers who want to support thier families with a really low income." This is how the KKK sound like.
@urzula01 -Yeah they brake the law and I have to wait 3 HOURS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, paying over a grand while they get it for free. Yeah, we are the KKK. Some people are beyond stupid....
Illegals come here, crowd 02494 families into 1 residence, pay 1 property tax, depreciate land values, send 09293 children to school of whom half of will drop out of before graduation, overwhelm the social services, drive down labor wages, destroy educational standards, suck up welfare while popping out kid after kid they can't support, & commit a FEDERAL CRIME by just being here!
Illegal Mexicans come here for a 'better life'? I call you on BULLSHIT! Go fuck yourself
@LucaviAD me again? wha? just thought a reminder was in order. lol You're nothing spechal pukeaviBC...queens like you get slapped into next week on these forums...lol So that you don't forget...You, Mbabis and Tankin Tortuga are the head of the Ball Lickers Club! ahahahahhaaaaaaaa!
ugly beaner , i hate when beaner calls themselves americans , your not americans you beaner , especially cause you come here illegally
qwertyuiopASDFGHJ885 1 month ago
beaners are nasty ass creatures
THESTUNKA1 2 months ago
Sam you're saying the law about the shirt is different,but you equate illegal immigration to rape.If you understood or have sympathy you would understand that is not as simple as her supporting people breaking the law.
hotstimuli 2 months ago
STUPID MESSICAN!!~!!
crpdm1965 4 months ago
yes now we need to come here legally ...
EDEBOYZ 5 months ago
We need to secure the borders and stop demonizing who are already here.. Whites have unique sense of entitlement. When immigrants became brown, the laws changed. If you want to be technical about it, white people are illegally occupying the Cherokee nation.
superjtrdr 6 months ago
@superjtrdr Come on, the immigrants coming to this country legally come from every nation of this earth. The point of illegal immigration is just that. If you want to immigrate to this country follow the system of legal immigration. What makes Illegals more special then those doing it legally. Illegals are criminals and thumb thier nose at the laws of this country. As far as hispanics being native what tribe do they belong to? If your entitled to this land, whats your arguement? NO AMNESTY
aBenDragon 5 months ago
A few mo back, a mexican neighbor across the street offer to buy me food with her food card if I took her shopping. I declined, b/c it felt weird! I gave her a ride though. Another time she offered me twice the amount of food for cash,I said no, & felt bad since b/c we R neighbors. I gave her diapers,toilet paper - which she insisted she needed. Knowing her, I'm guessing,her boy friend wants drug/alcohol $-$. I smell & see a lot of that going on there. This is another failed Gov program.
onstageagain 6 months ago
Good grief, she didn't make a lick of sense.
FaithandReasons 8 months ago
i Agree With This Lady , its Really Embarrassing having IGNORANT Americans , being Predjudice , Like Really.
sdfwsdfsdgvdfgdfge 8 months ago
The bitch seems nice enough. She's smiling the whole time.
Spokker 10 months ago
Boy, do illegals have this since of entitlement? I am a human being, so I should be able to come into the U.S. I just want to make a better life for myself and family, so its okay. This, and every other country, has laws. If we were only to pick and choose what laws we WANT to follow, we would be a total chaos.
Crossing into this country or another without proper consent is a crime and should be treated as such. Not given a job, food, cash, housing and medical care once a child is born in USA.
saturnops 10 months ago
HEY MEXICANS if you want to take the land why dont you fight us for it?instead of sneaking in,having a billion babies,making everybody feel sorry for you,outnumbering everybody,then calling people racist if they dont let you take over their country...
Hispanics control Mexico,Central,and South America,now they want North America as well,bunch of greedy M-F-ers
if you&your people can't enjoy success in your own country what makes you think taking over US will be any different for you?
fahQaszholez 11 months ago
racisum is a deasease that is growing in numbers untill will learn to love and except ou selfs for what and who we are. we will be able to live with eachother in tolerance .
mexporvida1 1 year ago
she is an american hero . just the fact that she is there she is demonstrating that she can use the first amendment , as her right so if you dont like . you get out . this country has had ilegal inmigration since it was founded just becouse you change the names dont change the fact that no one but the natives belong here, and when i say natives i mean my ancestor the indians, my people streched from north to central and south america, once again you leave becouse am staying.
mexporvida1 1 year ago
Lmfao fashion police! Anyway Stef you ignorant scum bucket it's america and because of just that fact she can talk,sound and do as she pleases if you don't like that stick a fat juicy dick in your ear and in your ass oh and choke on a ball sack :-) Kay thanks!!!!!! God bless
TheJayJay023 1 year ago
Mexicans are dumb, she is American as she claims , can't speak one sentence properly in national language ( English)
stefaneuropean 1 year ago
@stefaneuropean Germans, French, Italians, etc are EUROPEAN bcs they were born in Europe (a continent) so, with that said Canadians, Mexicans and we.....all of us are AMERICAN bcs our countries are in North America (another continent). Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, etc are in South America (continent as well). Btw, we speak English in the USA but there is not national language in the US. The most dominant od widely spoken here in the USA is English though. Btw, she is bilingual, what about you?
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow I was not talking about continent,in America ,people from china ,africa ,India,Pakistan,korea come but they do not speak or ask other people to speak their language .If Mexicans wish to speak spanish,better to speak in their country.I speak Bulgarian and a foreigner speaks same language as mine in my country.
America is not bilingual ,you latinos want to make it,as you do not wish or cannot learn English.
stefaneuropean 1 year ago
@stefaneuropean Im learning my 3rd language. I dont see why others cant do the same. Is always a win/win situation when you learn more.
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow why shall americans learn ur spanish.When they go to ur country they will speak it,in america u speak english.Other immigrants from asia or europe are doctors ,scientist and from south america are maids,farmers,mechanic ,truck drivers.
stefaneuropean 1 year ago
@stefaneuropean Thanks for the lesson. I didnt know that in South America there are no doctors, or scientists. Maybe in Europe or Asia, the scientists and doctors are so many they have to work as farmers, maids, mechanics or truck drivers. Btw, Im not offending at all these people or looking down at those jobs. Thats your position not mine. I strongly believe hard work equals dignity.
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow They can have their dignity as rest of immigrants by speaking English and respect America,instead they want to impose their language on Americans.I will never agree if that happens here in Europe.
stefaneuropean 1 year ago
@stefaneuropean Americans brag about freedom, democracy, etc, right? Well, this people have the freedom to speak their own language and you you know what? There are enough people of each race in the US (varies state by state) so them dont have to learn English to survive. I dont have problem as an open minded person and almost trilingual but others....specially racist people they have it. This is not about a language. For racist is about the race.
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow - The De Facto language of the US is English .. So knowing English is the easiest way of living here since everything is English and it's our given language.
AnotherYankee 11 months ago
@AnotherYankee English is a plus here, of course but in states like Florida, Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, New Jersey, New York or Illinois for example, knowing Spanish is a lifesaver.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Why should any American learn to speak wetback.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal When clowns like you speak, Im glad we are as fucked as we are. Btw, the KKK is a fucking joke.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Whose in the KKK, you moron. When I hear idiots like you, it only serves to strenghten my convictions.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Whatever dude, go home and watch how Hispanics take over your beloved country, ha ha ha!
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow The "take over" as you have put it is happening only because America has let this issue get out of hand. It will take awhile BUT America will soon get tired of the "I deserve to be here, give me give me" attitude.
Speak loud enough, you will be heard. You may not like the outcome of your demands. Ideally, mass deportation of illegals (Legal children can stay or return to the home country of the parents. If remaining, should be provided for by the state of residence.
saturnops 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Sorry to disappoint you, my niggah, but it won't happen.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal It's happening already. Btw, Im not african american.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow But you are 100% idiot.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal I rather be an idiot for one day than living like an idiot (like you) for 39 years (you have).
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Don't worry, you are a permanent fuckkktard.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Cocksucker, keep wasting your time @ YouTube. Regardless of what you do or say, the transition is happening and an insignificant cum eater like you can't do shit to stop it. Get comfortable bcs the journey is going to be long, painful and tedious.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow So the truth is your a little sister fuckkking anchorRat. Keep dreaming anchorRat because it still isn't going to happen. It doesn't matter what scum like you or the fuckkking liberals want. It won't happen. You shittt stains are taking mexifornia broke and that makes me laugh. Soon even that mexiroach state will have to face the truth about you illegals.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Mexicans are taking what belongs to them anyway. The rest of latinos are just working hard to get where they're at. Jump, scream, fight and bitch all you want. You are nobody. By the way, you should start learning some Spanish and Chinese btw, ha ha ha!
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow If you wet backkks want to take what is theirs, they should fight in their own fuckkked up countries. Do like the people in the Middle East if you have balls enough. Get rid of the dictators in mexico and the rest of wetbackkkville. None of these wetbackkks work. They are all lazy welfare sucking scum.
Auf Wiedersehen
jajajaaja, learn wetback or commie chinese? jajajajajajajajaja
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Südamerikanischen Ländern sind verschraubt es ist wahr, aber die Realität ist auch er in die Vereinigten Staaten. Haben Sie nicht wie Ihre ganze Land aussehen sinkt? N Sie erkennen, dass nichts in Amerika getan ist und alle Arbeit stammt aus Südamerika, Asien, Indien und anderen Ländern? Lehnen Sie sich zurück und ist weiterhin der Ansicht, dass Ihr Land das Beste ist. Es ist erbärmlich, um zu sehen wie Idioten wie Sie noch gibt.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow jajajajaja
You stupid mexicunt. Use a different translator. The one you're using doesn't work worth a fuckkk.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Its so easy to get under your dirty skin pig. If you want to align me with mexicans, go ahead. Rather been a nice mexican than a dirty ameriCANT, lol!
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow jajajajajajajajaja
You are such a dumbasss.
What's wrong? You embarassed about being an AnchorRAt?
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal I dont have nothing to be ashamed of and if I were Mexican, there is nothing wrong about it. The only one here with complex and mental/emotional issues is you.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow You have already proven to be a liberal idiot.
Do you have anything of importance to say?
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Yes I do, SHUT THE FUCK UP! I feel much better now.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Just as I thought, you are still an idiot with nothing important to say.
Go back under your rock and STFuppp.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@KKKn50cal Sperm-drinker, I dont have anything else to say. You are way too dumb to comprehend very basic things.
Obamaownswhitesnow 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Yeah, yeah, shit4brains.
Go back in the corner and play with yourself.
KKKn50cal 10 months ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow - Not really .. Unless you live in Hispanic Neighborhoods. I live in NY . Most have corrective English .. Unless I go to South Bronx .. Same for Phoenix .. Same for Jersey and Chicago. Unless your a white or black or Asian in one of these cities Hispanic dominated neighborhoods, then it's all alright. I would know. Been to lived in Chicago for about 6 years .. Been to Los Angeles, been to Dallas .. Unless it Miami where all waiters or service workers speak Spanish lol
AnotherYankee 10 months ago
good, talking always help
Bera1989 1 year ago
piece of shit illegal alien
YZDT 1 year ago
This old lady is right after all. If we pay attention to what she says, she is right. Who is going to work at the fields, us? Maybe some us could but other 'americans' think they are too good to work at the fields (or other jobs) or might ask $25 an our to do things these people do for way less. I think having some of them here is a win/win situation situation.
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow How about the unemployed... they might be willing to do the work. Anyone ever ask them? And no one is complaining about them doing work, just doing it illegally - and being in the country legally.
SuperConfounded 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow Just out of curiousity, and this is in no way meant to offend you, but are aware of the impact of illegal immigration and how it's affecting the United States? Just a question.
SuperConfounded 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow The old lady may be right but let Mexicans speak English,get money for their handwork and go back when they wish too. If they wish to be american to my opinion then they should learn english and not ask americans to learn spanish.
stefaneuropean 1 year ago
You see, this is exactly what's wrong with those that support illegal immigration. They fail to grasp the concept of borders and a country's laws. As if the United States should just open its borders to everyone in the world, and in the meantime the rest of the world enforces their borders. Illegal immigration is costing this country billions of dollars a year, I don't really understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
SuperConfounded 1 year ago
@SuperConfounded Not only the immigration costs us money, but nonsense wars too. Bush and his gang spet BILLIONS of taxpayers money but got richer and richer with all those contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. War cost this country blood and money while those on top get rich using our resources.
Obamaownswhitesnow 1 year ago
@Obamaownswhitesnow you are stupid. . . . no way around it. first off your saying that because other things waste a lot of our money its ok that illigal immigrants waste our money. also the unemployed legal citizens would do the work so its a lose lose for us and a win win for the illegals. personally i think that we should defend our borders like a warzone and anyone trying to get in illegaly should be treated as if they had declared war on America. democrats = scumbags its simple.
nlchamps07fan 1 year ago
DUDE SHE FUCKED YOU UP!! SHE STOOD UP TO YOU... HELL YEAH AND SHE'S CALM AND UR MAD DUMB ASS!
ELCAZADORES1 1 year ago
@ELCAZADORES1 your right she fucked him hard!!!
machak09 1 year ago
Thank you Santa!!
Can someone tell me where I can see vids of those ignorant kids crying?
pwn3d
dandan65 1 year ago
I would also assasinate any and all white accomplist, or enablers to foreign assistance into our country!
vikingjustice15 1 year ago
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I always tell those, who tell White American's 2 leave back to Europe, bcuz we took the land from the Indian's...BOO FUC-ING-HOO! Every country at one piont was fought over, the biggest and badest won and took the lad, has always been, and I am proud of every land my forefathers counquered and took. It is a primal law of nature! We won the Bunker's hill game and this this land is OURS!!! get over yourselve's. were here to stay like it or not. And I also would assasinate any one moving in on us!
vikingjustice15 1 year ago
Why is that dude wearing makeup? Is that a illegal immigrant transvestite?
TravisConway1 1 year ago
you should of made sweet luv to her, you know you wanted her
localSickened 1 year ago
lady held her own,
mightytuba 1 year ago
@mightytuba That was a lady? I thought that was a dude wearing makeup. LOL!
TravisConway1 1 year ago
your ancestors didnt come to this country legally most just came and took over the country by killing its native inhabitants before they came here natives had rules and your ancestors just killed them and took over how is that even legal?
kurozaki45 1 year ago
@kurozaki45
Question.
WERE THERE LAWS BACK THEN ABOUT THIS. Y/N.
Question.
ARE THERE LAWS ABOUT IT NOW. Y/N.
So you're basically saying because of the wrongs of our ancestors, it's ok for illegals to rape, murder, steal and generally terrorize and break the laws of America? Good for you buddy.
YamsRyu 1 year ago
@YamsRyu huh? generalizing much?
kurozaki45 1 year ago
@YamsRyu is killing an entire population and taking their land not a fucking crime? not it wasnt just coming over to the US supposedly the "legal" way since there werent any laws but killing a population and taking their land is surely a crime
kurozaki45 10 months ago
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kurozaki45 1 year ago
OH OKAY - we'll all leave *europeans* but we're taking all our SHIT WITH US !! WHO'S GONNA PAY YOUR WELFARE THEN BITCHES !!!
ThePaleBunnyPreserve 1 year ago
1). Latinos are getting what they deserve. That juvenile macho in your face culture is coming back to haunt them. The reasons have nothing to do with racism or zenophobia. It's about behavior. Latinos have clearly demonstrated that their loyalties lie with their criminal brethren. Look at the facts:
1. Hispanics despise all things not latino. Racism is rampant in their culture.
2. Latino communities across the country are providing massive support to their people in Mexico.
fretsward 1 year ago
2).
Supporting the invasion of our country by their people who are not legally authorized to be here is defined as treason.
3. Latinos refuse to learn the English language, and insist we learn their language. They continue to display their arrogance through their refusal to assimilate into the American culture.
4. Latinos hold no allegiance to the US or what it stands for. This allegiance remains to Mexico, and the Latino agenda. It's about race and the US lands and dollars.
fretsward 1 year ago
3).
5. They destroy every community they move into. Within no time, these once peaceful, law abiding multi-cultural communities become crime infested violent havens for foreign invaders.
6. They utilize social services payed for by hard working American citizens at an alarming rate, thus creating havoc with the social fabric of our society.
7. Latino children are destroying our public school system. Every school that becomes majority illegal tumbles into dismal performance.
fretsward 1 year ago
4).
8. They have children at a rate purposely disproportionate to American demographic standards. The majority of these poor children are raised in 3rd world conditions of squalor and poverty.
9. Latinos dwell on ancient historical myths. They feel entitled to parts of the US, regardless of international recognition of our country's borders.
So I'll answer the question: Are latinos a clear and present danger to the US?
The answer supported by factual data is a resounding yes...
fretsward 1 year ago
California’s 11 million illegal aliens cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion each year. Educating the children of illegals is the greatest cost, estimated at $9.7 billion each year. Medical care for illegal aliens and incarceration of those who commit crimes are the next two largest expenses. Next is fraud and theft.
California an unfortunately shameful example of how runaway illegal immigration has all but destroyed the economy and turned some communities into outright dismal disgraces...
fretsward 1 year ago
The drug and birthright problem aside, even essential services have over the years have become harder for those native to this country to utilize, simply because many of those here illegally and working do not speak English.
Think I'm kidding? Go to some stores, mini-marts and other establishments throughout California and see if the attendant truly understands your needs.
It's not science, or secret. They are illegals. If you come to the U.S. do it legally and learn the language...
fretsward 1 year ago
Those who come here legally and made an effort to speak English, be good citizens and pay taxes, I commend you.
Those looking for a free ride and just crossing the border to send money home to Mexico, Arizona is a sign of things to come in the U.S.
Federal law is fair in that if you are here legally, you really have nothing to worry about.
At the end of the day, law and order is what civil nations practice. It's not racism against any group. It's protecting it's citizens...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward fuk you and your english, english belongs in europe, it has no place in the americas , go back to where you came from you illegal pilgrim anchor baby
eight18 1 year ago
@eight18 - Fuck you.
You, like many of your ilk, have no comprehension of history, including yours. Your parasitic ease and peace was interrupted when you were a little girl by the arrival of the whitemen. Each day the population increased. Some observed the newly arrived with great consternation. As the gold rush exploded, they came, each time in haste. They didn't strip-mine the resources, unlike the current invader who pretends to have settled the lands, which was impossible...
fretsward 1 year ago
@eight18 I will when you go back to where your tribes came from. Aztecs arent indigenous to USA. Get over yourself. Racist prick.
threezerol944t 1 year ago
@fretsward Then perhaps we should make the immigration process easier so as to ameliorate this problem. If they were given US citizenship the ones who made enough money to be taxed would have to pay up.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - For most of US history, illegal immigration was not a problem of present magnitude. The country enforced its borders. What has changed is the reality that many enter illegally, allowing the disrespect of fundamental issues as rule of law, sovereignty, assimilation, and respect.
Parse the logic: The misconception that being a citizen is as simple as climbing a fence. You don't give citizenship. You earn citizenship. You don't earn it by walking into the country...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward Illegal immigration wasn't as common as it is now because there were other conduits through which Mexican people could find temporary jobs in the US. Most notably, the Bracero Program employed about 500,000 Mexican nationals at its peak, almost all of whom returned to Mexico in the off-season. I think that citizenship is important, but the road to obtaining working papers in the country should be much easier.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - Although braceros were supposed to be hired only if an adequate number of Americans could not be found, employers preferred the foreign workers who obviously would work for much lower wages. The progrm ended in 1964 due to complaints from unions and Mexican-Americans that illegal aliens were taking jobs from not just American workers, but them as well.
Actually, 6.8 million Mexican workers came into the country. Today, agri-jobs represent only 2% of illegal aliens...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward Okay, but my point was that there were alternative to illegal immigration that helped to stem the flow of immigrants. Without those options, there is no alternative for many illegal immigrants. This is not to say that the Bracero Program was perfect, but with stricter enforcement of minimum wage laws the problems you outlined wouldn't exist.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - The illegal alien population of the US. is about 40 million - more than New York State. There are 15 to 25 million jobs currently held by illegal aliens.
Moreover, between 8 to 10 million jobs have shifted to the underground economy since 1990. These are not jobs Americans won’t do, but jobs Americans used to do.
On the revenue side, the US is foregoing $75 billion a year in income tax collections because of jobs that are now off the books.
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward "The illegal alien population of the US. is about 40 million"?? Still posting up bogus stats, huh frets? Here's what the US Census Bureau says about our population, it's at 48.4 mil with another 4 mil in Puerto Rico. The undocumented pop. stands at about 10.5 mil not at what you claim.
As of 2007 there were 2.3 mil Hispanic owned businesses (up 43.6% from 2002) with a total of 345.2 Billion in generated receipts (up 55.5% from 2002). Just a few more facts to counter your BS.
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau estimated 8.7 million illegal immigrants were here in 2000, and immigration officials estimate that the illegal immigrant population grows by as many as 500,000 every year.
Source : FairUS org
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
According to the Pew Hispanic Center, He [Jeffrey Passell]told us that Pew's data indicate that 11.9 million illegal immigrants were in the United States in 2007. Immigration officials estimate that the illegal immigrant population grows by as many as 500,000 every year.
You do the math.
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD So do the math. How does 11.9 mil add up to the 40 mil as Frets claims?
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
4M or 40M - there are still far too many here illegally. The stat's inaccuracy is minor compared to the idea he is presenting.
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD LUCAVI LUCAVI - hit me with a PM - I gotta tell you, I moved to Sweden XD XD HAHA TO GET AWAY FROM NO SPEAKY ENWISH CUNTS LIKE THAT - FUCK those fucking retarded mother fuckers !!!
ThePaleBunnyPreserve 1 year ago
@LucaviAD The difference between 4m and 40m is not a minor inaccuracy, it's Huge inaccuracy that gets in the way of a logical solution.
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
4K or 4M - 100% of illegals in the US are criminals via their very existence here illegally. Add welfare fraud, identity theft, unlicensed driving, uninsured driving, drunk driving, working illegally, tax evasion, the list goes on. Multiply that by 10M+ & any ignorant arguments of stereotyping or "racism" rings hollow. Every illegal alien in the US is a criminal, it is just a question of degree!
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD If you're so sure about what you say, why oppose immigration reform?
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
Because that "reform" involves AMNESTY!
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
Estimates show amnesty would significantly increase tax revenue. B/c both their income & tax compliance would rise, the most likely scenario is average illegal alien households paying 77% ($3,200) more / yr in fed taxes once legalized. Still - it's not enough to offset the 118% ($8,200) / household increase in costs that would come with legalization though amnesty would significantly increase both the average income and tax payments of illegal aliens.
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w w w cis org/node/54
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
If illegal aliens were given amnesty then began paying taxes & using services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 / household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29B.
w w w cis org/node/54
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD Your source is an anti~immigrant organization.
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2
Anti-immigrant or anti-illegal alien. You STILL fail to differentiate between the two.
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@Torodelvalle2 - Union local 2544 states that the illegal alien population based on the Arizona region is 18 to 28 million. They also stated that 4 to 5 thousand enter daily in that sector. In 2005, 10 million entered illegally, and in 2002, 4 million crossed. In 2004, they estimated at least 25 million illegals were here.
Realistic count place the numbers at 5 to 15 thousand crossers daily. If we lower the figures to not hurt your feelings, say 7 thousand. That's 2.5 million per year...
fretsward 1 year ago
We cannot suddenly disregard our country's immigration principles simply to appease the National Council of La Raza. Embracing citizenship and our laws are precisely what makes our country successful, stable and unique in the world. These concerns do not represent a selfish interest in protecting the country from the inclusion of legal immigrants for they are about being a nation of laws.
These laws and responsibilities apply to everyone. It's not racist or xenophobic to dissent...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward I mainly object to immigration laws that are arbitrary and unenforceable. It is very difficult to get an American visa, and since programs like Bracero are no longer in effect there are no options for people who want to work in the Us but live in Mexico. On enforceability, it is unreasonable to believe that deporting millions of illegal immigrants, who are mostly law-abiding and hard-working, is money well spent.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - The citizens of the US have the sole right to determine the nation's laws - not lawless illegal foreign agents who choose to illegally enter the US and make demands upon our sovereign government.
First, we must admit there are many contradictions regarding this issue that has become this single most important one affecting our country, it's citizens, and its future...
fretsward 1 year ago
Over the next 7 years the total cost of illegal immigration to the taxpayer (immediate benefits minus taxes paid) is likely to be at least $4.9 trillion.
This number is guaranteed go up significantly if we allow criminals aliens to dictate immigration policy leading to another large wave of 10s of millions of illegal aliens entering the country and receiving services.
Now, that's a race to the bottom..
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward I didn't say that foreigners should be making US policy. Immigration reform is in the best interest of everyone living within our borders, regardless of citizenship status. You continually bring up costs to taxpayers, but if all of those immigrants were legalized they would be paying taxes to support these expenses. Further, if we cut back funding to ICE we would save immensely, especially when much of ICE's deportations are of law abiding people who pose no threat to our security.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - Immigration reform is the code word for amnesty. Why must we alter the laws to accommodate illegal aliens? You don't legalize criminals. Even with your stance, the costs of social services would still overwhelm taxes generated. It's a losing proposition. Cut funding to ICE? You have to be kidding? You are not law abiding when you break into the county. Nice prevarication.
They are a threat to our security, and our future as a country.
Americans will not stand for it...
fretsward 1 year ago
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The US takes in more legal immigrants than do all other countries combined. We souldn't make anything easier for anyone. You come here, you should first and foremost want to become an American, not expect us to make things easier just for you or your people.. There is no justification. Come here legally, or not at all...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward Ideally, no one would need to come here to provide for their families, but the reality is that people do and millions of them are willing to risk imprisonment, deportation or death to do so. They are not a threat to our security. So, what's your solution? Deport all 40 million people? And at what cost are you going to deport them and secure the borders? Trying to enforce these unreasonable laws does nothing but waste more money.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - There in lies the rub. Many of us know that the underground agenda to reconquest the Southwest. They are not coming here to take care of their families, they are coming to take over. Yes, deport all who are here illegally.
Have you been paying attention. The die is cast. The country is going to enforce the laws. It's ridiculous to claim this as unreasonble, unless you are pro-illegal immigration. We have to stop the bleeding.
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward They want to take over? Until there is evidence of an armed movement by Mexicans to reclaim the Southwest, I have no reason to believe your claim. Do you realize how much it would cost to locate and deport all 40 million? ICE has an annual budget of $5.7 billion and it has hardly made a dent in the illegal immigrant population. How much more should we waste enforcing these unnecessary restrictions?
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity - In 1997, pres Zedillioo proclaimed "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders." MALDEF founder Mario Obledo stated, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave. Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years." People who don't like such demographic changes "should go back to Europe."
fretsward 1 year ago
It's like calling illegal aliens undocumented, which is like saying that bank robbers are informal withdrawal agents. The fiscal consequences of the next amnesty will be a staggering $490 billion a year. Mexico's population is still growing faster than its economy can supply jobs, and its recent free-market evolution has died. As a result, millions of illegals cross into the US.
Mexico wants the US to be a labor safety valve and host for its population...
fretsward 1 year ago
@fretsward I don't disagree that the Mexican government and its economic policies are a disaster, but blaming them doesn't answer my question: where would we draw the resources for locating, prosecuting and deporting 40 million people? Where would we find the manpower and/or technology necessary to constantly guard the border? Knowing where the problem stems from is just one part of the answer; one must also find a pragmatic solution that can be realistically implemented soon.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity
Mexico is a narco 3rd world terrorist state trying to push its brand of anti-white, racist & antiquated ideology on the free citizens of a sovereign nation. The Mexican gov't is a hypocrisy that refuses to accept responsibility for the welfare of its own people. Mexico is home to most draconian immigration policies in the entire western hemisphere, yet feel the need to chastise the US on ours.
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD "Tu quoque" isn't a valid argument. No matter how poorly Mexico conducts its own immigration, the immense cost of locating, prosecuting and deporting millions of illegal immigrants by the US still isn't realistic or cost-effective. The same is true of trying to "secure our borders" with a thousand miles of fence, surveillance cameras and border patrol.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity
Then what do you suggest?
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD - Just what the propaganda arm of Mexico and the National Council of La Raza amnesty activists suggests - cozy up with Demoncats, quickly call opponents of their agenda hate groups, invent smears, serve La Raza, manipulate the press, and dupe everyone into the belief they come here to work.
The costs to deport en mass would be an estimated $34 billion. It would take more than 200,000 buses, stretching more than 1,800 miles. Just social services alone costs $139 billion per year...
fretsward 1 year ago
And while we’re in fantasyland, let us also pretend that the $34 billion figure is even remotely accurate. The federal government has an annual budget of $2.34 trillion per year. Our Gross Domestic Product is a staggering $12 trillion per year (2005 estimate). $34 billion would be just 1.5% of the federal budget, and a miniscule 0.32% of our GDP.
Well worth the cost if you ask me...
fretsward 1 year ago
@LucaviAD We need to address some of the underlying issues, mainly by preventing US employers from hiring illegal immigrants. An electronic verification system was proposed in 2007, but the bill was killed in Congress. Other measures in the bill included a new temporary guest worker program, a path to citizenship via paying $5,000 in fines and passing the USCIS test, and an increased number of green cards awarded based on employment and English proficiency.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@LucaviAD I mainly object to en masse deportation right now because we would be uprooting families who deserve the chance to be citizens. Why not give them the opportunity to prove their work ethic, become proficient in English, pass the citizenship test, and pay their fines through a legalization program? Many of the millions here illegally can and would take that opportunity, and ICE shouldn't waste time and resources deporting those families.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity Wouldn't those opportunities, you described above, be more appropriately given to people who have played by the rules, taken the appropriate steps to enter the U.S. legally, and find themselves still waiting overseas b/c their spots in the U.S. are occupied by illegal aliens?
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom The people who have a chance to get work visas aren't competing with illegal immigrants for jobs in the first place. The people who receive work visas are college-educated and have a sponsor in the US. Therefore, I don't think that anyone's "spot" is being taken by illegal immigrants.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity That would be true if every illegal alien in the U.S. worked, illegal aliens did not have any children while here, and every person seeking to immigrate here was applying for a work visa.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom Again, people applying for work visas aren't competing with unskilled laborers who have no college education or their children. The fact is that immigrating to the US legally is extremely hard for even the most qualified people.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity Again, not everyone seeking to legally immigrate to the country is seeking employment - skilled or otherwise. Further, most illegal aliens don't work. Lots are children and housewives. Amer. immigr. needs and visa allowances are directly related to/impacted by the number of folks here. In the absence of illegals, more people who lawfully apply to come here will be allowed in.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom The error in your argument is that those people who want to immigrate here legally aren't actually here, so there is no need to make a compromise. What I support is purely practical; there are 10 million people here illegally, we can't deport all of them, and thus the best course of action would be to give them a path to legalization that would guarantee that they have the same responsiblities of everyone living in the US.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity Well said.
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
@incredulosity My error? There are no waiting periods from other countries to enter the U.S.? How long does it take to get into this country from Thailand or the P.I., if you have no relatives here and no special skills? / Your assertion is a joke. You don't know what you're talking about.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom "Your assertion is a joke." Well, you seem to not understand what I was asserting in the first place. I never once stated that there "are no waiting periods from other countries to enter the US." Indeed, most people wait years to get their visas.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom Your error is that you are comparing immigration from Thailand to immigration from Mexico, when in reality we will never have to deal with millions of illegal immigrants coming in from Thailand. We can control immigration from Thailand very easily with a low cost-benefit ratio, and therefore only allow the best applicants in.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom The fact is that we share a border with a country that a lot of people want to leave, and we happen to be the country that they want to leave to. Now the question is: is it worth it to attempt to enforce immigration laws that ignore the extremely high demand for US immigration from Mexico and the 10-20 million (I continue to hear different figures) otherwise law-abiding people who are here illegally?
incredulosity 1 year ago
Law-abiding? Law-abiding illegal alien is an oxymoron. Mexico's "demands" are irrelevant to us so long as we enforce our laws. When did the U.S. become the necessary dumping ground of that nation's unwanted excess population? I fail to see why we become the de facto U.S. taxpayer-funded orphanage for citizens of a foreign nation b/c we share a border.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom Note the word "otherwise;" as in, other than their immigration status, they don't violate any laws. The vast majority don't commit property crimes or violent crimes, and are thus not dangerous to the American citizenry.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity Is "not dangerous" what qualifies a person for U.S. residency, in your book? You and I have very diff. ideas about what merits presence in my country. Answer me this. Hell, even take a guess. How many adult illegal aliens in the U.S. have not done one or more of the following? - Used a stolen Soc. Sec. #; Driven w/o a license; Utilized a fake drivers license; Utilized a fake Soc. Sec. card; Utilized a fake Green Card; Voted in a U.S. election; Worked for pay while in the U.S.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom I consider violent crimes and property crimes to be the most important; the crimes that you list (I have no idea how many people have committed them) are crimes stemming from their status as illegal, which is a flawed premise. By identifying 10-20 million peaceful aliens as illegal and forcing them to either live as illegal or face deportation our government is imposing them to choose illegality, further feeding into their claims that these settlers are dangerous.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom In reality, if the premise of their "illegal" status were removed, the crimes that you listed would no longer occur. And no, I don't believe that US citizenship should be based on whether someone isn't dangerous. I expect those who are given citizenship to have no criminal record, pay fines for the time they spent here illegally (unless they paid taxes), pass a citizenship test, and be proficient in Standard English. These are just the basics, there are probably more...
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity That's simply brilliant. Hey, let's take it a step further. Let's remove prohibitions against having sex with minors and embezzlement, too. That way, the crimes I "listed would no longer occur," either. Based upon what you've written here the past couple days, I'm relieved that you are responsible for neither creating legislation for immigration regulations nor composing the Penal Code.
DerailAmnestydotcom 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom That's a laughably invalid analogy because statutory rape laws and laws against embezzlement offer direct protection to the safety of the people. Even if you were to make these things legal, the damage would continue to happen; in other words, these are crimes against the natural rights of humans. Conversely, all of the "crimes" you listed would cease to harm anyone if illegal settlers were given a path to citizenship.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity
You mean ignore the fact illegal citizens have raped, murdered, stolen, loiter and just about break the laws period, but evidently giving them amnesty will 'make it all right' and not make more people think, gee I can get away with shit in america!
So when you say we should allow them to come here unfettered, you're also basically saying, let's allow illegals to also be abused and mistreated by their smugglers, to boot. Not very bright are you good sir.
YamsRyu 1 year ago
@YamsRyu Legal citizens do all of the things you listed as well.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom Also, I'd like to point out that being a "born citizen" doesn't make one a good citizen. Plenty of US citizens don't pay taxes, know nothing about our govt, and can barely speak Standard English. This goes to show that our citizenship isn't completely merit-based, further showing that an idealized approach is only possible in theory, but not in practice.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom worked for pay? lol dont make me laugh these people get cents on the dollar for their work
kurozaki45 1 year ago
@DerailAmnestydotcom I agree that our laws should be enforced, but the problem is that our laws are unenforceable. Even with a $6 billion annual budget, ICE can do nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. So, what's the solution? Do we deny that there is an increasing demand for unskilled laborers in this country and a decreasing population of unskilled "born citizens"? Do we continue to waste taxpayer money on half-measures that seek to keep hard workers and good families "illegal"?
incredulosity 1 year ago
@incredulosity
Oh by the way, if you see nothing wrong with illegals- I need a place to crash for the next 50 years, and a place to raise my children, their children, allow my father to retire and to be on welfare but I don't have the cash on me right this very moment to own my own place.
How about I break into your home and crash on your couch, and invite my 40+ family members of aunts, cousins, uncles to come live with me too.
Be one big happy family and you would not be able to complain.
YamsRyu 1 year ago
@YamsRyu Yes, residing within a country without documentation is definitely 100% analogous to breaking and entering and squatting in a house for 50 years. Except it's not if the people involved are earning their own money and paying taxes.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@fretsward Saying things like that isn't the same as action on their part. I'm still waiting for evidence of an armed movement that is trying to reclaim the US Southwest as part of Mexico.
incredulosity 1 year ago
@fretsward How are we a threat for our own country? We Hispanics have fought for this country since the Civil War! We're represented in every branch of our Armed Services. In fact many of what you call "anchor babies" are out there serving our country right now! You insult every single one of these patriots with your stupid comments! Whether you like it or not, WE will always be a part of this country.
Torodelvalle2 1 year ago
History can't be rewound as some would like in their Reconquista for a land of barrenness before borders were established. Angry Mexicans must direct their angst towards Mexico or Spain for the Spanish conquest and Spanish colonization. Mexico won its independence, so now it's okay to abandon the independence won in Mexico?
Why now the anger and attitude of entitlement towards the US? This is due to the Mexican leadership's propaganda of blaming America for their problems.
fretsward 1 year ago
Some Mexicans did join militia units in South Texas, and did so out of fear of being sent out of the state. Some were able to avoid conscription by claiming to be residents of Mexico. 1,500 Mexican Texans joined the Confederate Army.
In 1861, and on 3 separate occasions invaded northern Mexico in retaliation for Unionist inspired guerilla raids into Texas. Hispanics make up 7% of today's military. Not all do so for love of the US. You can be whatever you want, as lng as it's legal...
fretsward 1 year ago
"WE Minutemen(KKK) rather have terrorist cross the Canadian border than to have deligent workers who want to support thier families with a really low income." This is how the KKK sound like.
urzula01 1 year ago
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EvertonFooty 1 year ago
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@urzula01 -Yeah they brake the law and I have to wait 3 HOURS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, paying over a grand while they get it for free. Yeah, we are the KKK. Some people are beyond stupid....
EvertonFooty 1 year ago
@urzula01
Illegals come here, crowd 02494 families into 1 residence, pay 1 property tax, depreciate land values, send 09293 children to school of whom half of will drop out of before graduation, overwhelm the social services, drive down labor wages, destroy educational standards, suck up welfare while popping out kid after kid they can't support, & commit a FEDERAL CRIME by just being here!
Illegal Mexicans come here for a 'better life'? I call you on BULLSHIT! Go fuck yourself
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD and how many times have YOU been called out? lol (puke-aviAD) still spinnin circles i see..
Iciclesxo 1 year ago
@Iciclesxo
And here you go again! I was wondering how long you were going to nurse the wounds I left you with last time around. Shamefully it wasn't long enough.
Thank you for standing up just to get knocked down again for my personal amusement. Go get 'em, tiger!!!
LucaviAD 1 year ago
@LucaviAD me again? wha? just thought a reminder was in order. lol You're nothing spechal pukeaviBC...queens like you get slapped into next week on these forums...lol So that you don't forget...You, Mbabis and Tankin Tortuga are the head of the Ball Lickers Club! ahahahahhaaaaaaaa!
Iciclesxo 1 year ago