The US-funded Terrorist Group instigated the Riots - CCTV 8AM 07 Jul 09

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"The US-funded Terrorist Group instigated the Riots - CCTV 8AM 07 Jul 09"

你骗我们都。

我住了在昆明10个月多。我不是本的

I believe you are right to support china. But you give bad evidence. I think China should control XinJiang because 20 Muslim extremists in Guantanamo bay came from Xin Jiang. If Xin Jiang is a different country, then the Taliban can get in more easily.

I also support China, but I give good evidence. Ok?

[alankok100]

As the famous Malaysian ex-Prime Minister and Islamic World ex-leader, Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad said, the Han Chinese never colonize others! A lot of westerners regret of what their ancestors did. So they thaught that Chinese ancestors did the samething and suffer form it now. Thanks for your concern, but kindly refer to the historical facts before jumping into conclusion.

[KURDBOY1982]

watch?v=PikJpE0OH2U

please view

Kurdistan REPRESSİON -TURKEY

[WretcheyWretch]

This has nothing to do with Muslims or Han vs Uygur. This has entirely to do with separatists ans socialists. The unrest may have something to do with some social problems, byt the terrorism is largely the ridiculous East Turkish nationalism that is being fed to the extremists.

[tenzinpalden]

Free Uyghur!

Free Tibet!

free inner mongolia!

[beijingpeople]

Chinese Communist Party insitgate the riots not US group you fucking idiot. China always oppressing the minority groups now they fight back!

[junding88]

Dude, chill, have u forgotten ur pills today?

[junding88]

Is ur record broken or is ur head stuck?

[qiwang2]

Uyghur are also chinese. They are our friends. but these separatists are our enemy. They are terrorists. Separatist wants to make hate between Han and Uyghur through this conflict.

[jajabin]

Terrorist Terrorist Terrorist Terrorist Terrorist

[qiwang2]

Rebiya Kadeer is a liar. She is the killer. She should take the responsibility for these dead people.

[qiwang2]

It is a terrorist attack.

[VictimOfBoredom]

This "news report" is a LIE. Rebiya Kadeer called for PEACEFUL demonstration, not violent rioting.

[VictimOfBoredom]

Bullshit. I can't believe you would even make such a moronic comment.

Besides, this has nothing to do with Islam. Yes, Uyghurs are Muslims, but their cause for frustration is that their culture is being stripped away, reducing what's left of their culture, which deserves every bit of preservation as traditional Chinese culture, to some music and dances to amuse tourists.

[junding88]

Does frustration entitle you to kill innocent people? Is that your defense for this crime against humanity? Who is the moron now?

[VictimOfBoredom]

I never said it does. Clearly you're the moron. Illiterate, too.

[junding88]

Clearly ur lack of valid argument has left u with nothing in ur arsenal but personal attacks. 2 can play this game if you insist.

[VictimOfBoredom]

FFS, you called me a moron first. If I seem to have a "lack of valid argument", it's only because you're giving me absolutely nothing to work with. Tell me something I DON'T know, instead of the same trite lines I've already heard over and over again.

[junding88]

So not only r u mentally challenged, u r blind with short memory as well. Go back and look at ur posts again and see how start the name calling first. Tell u sth u don't know or tell u sth u don't want to know? Ur head is full of feces that nothing can get through anyway.

[VictimOfBoredom]

Do you not realize your comments are completely empty? You are telling me absolutely nothing of substance. Yes, violent riots are wrong. NO SHIT. Now let's move on to MORE IMPORTANT issues, such as how to prevent such violence in the future.

[junding88]

I'm giving u the facts that 156 innocent people, most of them Han Chinese, were butchered by Muslim Uyghurs terrorists, with more than 800 severely injured. Apparently u refuse to admit this truth. Until u do so, there is no common ground for any discussion.

[VictimOfBoredom]

I ADMIT IT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

You are so goddamn stupid, I can't even fathom it. WHAT made you think I didn't already know and acknowledge the first set of facts that EVERYBODY heard regarding this story?

[junding88]

rebiya is a known liar and terrorist. ur so-called peaceful demonstrators murdered 156 innocent people, mostly in alleys and streets away from the main streets. They worked in small groups, beating people to death with sticks, cutting their throats, stabbing both men and women. This IS a terrorist attack. Stop spreading rumors and cover up atrocity committed by the Muslim Uigurs!

[VictimOfBoredom]

FFS, this isn't a "terrorist attack". These are CHINESE CITIZENS expressing frustration with the way THEIR government is governing them. "Peaceful" protests are met with arrest, torture, and execution. Rebiya was imprisoned simply for pushing for greater rights for Uyghurs. I never said I approve of what the rioters did. I AM, however, saying that instead of thinking about how to punish Uyghurs, try instead to think of WHY they would feel compelled to protest in the first place.

[jajabin]

I don't see peaceful protest here. Only looting and mauling. And civilians and by-standers - both Han Chinese and Uighur - got killed. That's what defines terrorists.

[VictimOfBoredom]

For God's sakes, are you illiterate? I never said THESE RIOTS were peaceful. I said that when they DID attempt peaceful protests, THEY DIDN'T WORK. So they felt compelled to take more drastic measures, knowing full well that their lives would be on the line. Clearly, they are desperate, so instead of just killing them all, we ought to have an objective look at their case.

[junding88]

Apparently they did attempt a peaceful protest, as a decoy to draw the police to the center of the city so that they can fan out through out the city to murder innocent people! Who said "killing them all"? Oh wait, the Muslim Uyghurs did, they wanted to kill all Han Chinese.

[VictimOfBoredom]

You're not adding anything new to the discussion...

[junding88]

Funny that u call them "Chinese citizens", cuz they certainly don't think so and want to establish their own country in any which means necessary, including extreme violence like such. What do you call butchering thousands of innocent people, some even of their own race, in broad daylight? A "peaceful demonstration"? Then was 911 a clam protest?

[VictimOfBoredom]

You'd have to be fucking crazy to compare a scheme of flying airplanes into buildings orchestrated by non-American citizens as the equivalent of a country's own citizens violently protesting.

Nonetheless, it IS important to look at Al Qaeda's and the Taliban's cause for ill will. Surely you don't think no Americans have asked the question of WHY they attacked us. "Why" is a very important question to ask. It is much more productive then "KILL THE UYGHURS!" or "FUCK MUSLIMS!!!".

[junding88]

u r the pea-brain who said it was a peaceful protest, not me. So flying an airplane into a building is murder, and clubbing and cutting throat is not? Where is the logic here? Oh wait, u never had one! We did ask why, why did they do this after we brought economic prosperity to the region? Why after we gave them stable and good life? Why after we basically let them go to college for free, even when they don't qualify? Why?

[VictimOfBoredom]

Oh my God, you are SO FUCKING STUPID. What I SAID was that Rebiya Kadeer called for peaceful demonstration. And that is the TRUTH. The protests' turn towards violence was not orchestrated by her.

[junding88]

This bitch has so many ties to the known terrorist group "East Turkestan Liberation Group" that she practically funded half of the group, with the money she made in China nevertheless, the same money she never paid taxes on. Peaceful demonstration my ass, she wanted blood, she thirsted for blood, and now she will get blood!

[VictimOfBoredom]

No one's sole purpose is "blood". One man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter". The American revolutionaries were Britain's separatists, though clearly no contemporary Americans view George Washington as a "terrorist".

The only difference between a "terrorist organization" and a "military" is that the latter is better funded. I'm not supporting violence; I'm supporting critical analysis and understanding.

[junding88]

Did I hear u say Bin Laden is a freedom fighter? If we can't agree on what terrorism means, which is killing innocent people to advance their own agenda, we really have nothing to go on.

[VictimOfBoredom]

The US military has killed innocent people to advance its own agenda. The Chinese military has killed innocent people to advance its own people. Does that mean these are terrorist organizations as well?

Oh wait, I forgot. They were uniforms. Clearly they're to be judged by different standards!

[iRaTeYourVideoz]

i agree with u

[rigoletto68]

Obvious Muslim terrorists and maybe backed by the CIA as in the past.

[kuiseek]

Han chinese=Barbarians HHHHaaaa

=Communists HHHHHHHHHHaaaaa^^*

[lavideomania]

The use of the phrase "US-funded Terrorist Group" is poor journalism if not outright propoganda. In what way does the US "fund" this group that you accuse of instigating the riots? If this woman has a history of violating Chinese law, and then by her own efforts supposedly continues, in what way did the US "fund" these operations? Should I blame China for "funding" the death of pets and children due to poor products?

[jervicesss]

Please try to know more about US government. Try to find out the video on youtube, truth of 911, secret brainwashing plan of CIA MKULTRA in 70s by CIA, drug dealing of CIA revealed by police officers and so on. While Chinese are in propoganda I am afraid sometimes the people in North America are under stronger propoganda. The only vantage point is we have freer press and environment.

The Toy and Pet issue? I have some sources that it is also US propoganda. Let's wake up in 1984

[0fred00]

yup

[lavideomania]

What makes you think I don't do my own research on U.S. history? More importantly: Why do you feel it necessary to discuss U.S. history on a video about problems in China? Face the issue in front of you, for a change...

[lavideomania]

As for toy and pet issues being propoganda... well you can make up any theory you like, but give me a break... I have bought many Chinese products over the years and I have to say there are a lot of problems with a lot of them. Some are good but most end up cutting costs to the bone and sacrificing health and safety in the process. Don't ask me -- ask the Chinese workers who suffer the consequences.

[jervicesss]

Well US history is connected with any other country as it is a superpower. In the book The Secret of the American Empire by John Perkins, a clear global map for US instigation and expansion is there. That's why we talk about US history faced with Chinese problem. They are connected.

[lavideomania]

I don't mind discussing it if there is a real connection to discuss, but in this case it seems clear that the title of the video has no relationship at all to any information in the video. It seems like a pointless and cheap slander.

I don't go around taking cheap shots at China for no reason. If i say something, there better be some basis for it. I would expect the same in return, from a "friend."

[jervicesss]

The toy and pet do have problems I admit. I have been staying in North America for quite some time and I get records from experts that most of the goods are fair. They are not perfect but the media was somehow quite exagerating. For the pet food, do u remember why the pet food company apologized not the Chinese government?As the company put in the food addictives that reacted with the previous ingredients into poisonous kidney-failing food. meida doesn't tell this. They only want us to hate.

[lavideomania]

I don't agree with much of what you said here and I certainly did not bring up the issues of pet and toy safety (you did). I did not blame the Chinese government.

Here is my point for this page (before you hurry to change the subject to the US again): Nothing you or I have said justifies CCTV making slanderous statements without any basis. Face it please.

[jervicesss]

All the people shall join hands together to fight again undemocratic and untruthful behind-the-scene masters. This is our fate and task. China has totalitarian authority and US has financial obligarchy controlling the two countries but in many times they are sleeping together..The people? They are arguing with each other with firm belief of truth fed by Media.

[lavideomania]

What you say here (about all the people joining hands etc.) sounds wonderful but exactly what action or solution are you prescribing? An argument could be made that's precisely what the rebelling Uyghur people are doing (it's not my argument, but *they* might think so). So how does one keep his integrity while calling for revolution against the system, but at the same time criticizing a group that actually acts to fight totalitarianism? I don't have the answer... but tell me if you do.

[Scurrytozhang]

Good question indeed! If they fight against totalitarianism, they shall go to governemnt building, not civilians. Killing civilians including their own ethnicity is not the way to fight in my opinion.

[lavideomania]

Well killing anyone at random seems like a pretty bad idea. On the other hand, going to a government building with no arms against a heavily armed police state can be nearly suicide. So in all sincerity I ask... how to prevent abuse by those who are frustrated (by senseless acts of violence) as well as by the state (by abuse of overwhelming power)? It's a tough question I think.

[Scurrytozhang]

There are two US, one democratic, one of great empire. The first one is the example of the world, while the second is the source for many misery of the globe. We hope the US can really pressure on that instead of sleeping with them. At this moment, maybe only the kind and righteous US people pursuing freedom can forment a US government that really represent them and their democracy. We shall not rely on US only but this would help a lot. Our fights never ends and so do yours.

[lavideomania]

I am with you 100%

[nealkassanoff]

This "rebellion" is a front. One thing you can do to fight totalitarianism is expose an event like this for what it really is and tell the CIA to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries. Imagine if China was running intelligence operations to foment rebellion among inner city minorities. As poor as inner city conditions may be, such an act would be an outrage.

[lavideomania]

I have no problem exposing hidden truths, but it isn't enough to just make claims (as in the case of the title of this video report). It should be backed with clear evidence. There is not even a cheap propogandist's attempt at evidence in this case -- it's just a slanderous accusation without merit.

You can't just "assume" it's CIA, we might as well assume it's a plot by the Chinese government to justify repression. Gut feelings don't mean anything... facts matter.

[nealkassanoff]

Facts do matter and I've done my research on color revolutions and astroturf uprisings. This has all the cues of the soft power tactics used and propagated by the likes of Joseph Nye and others of his faction in the military and intelligence community.

[lavideomania]

What do your claims have to do with my original complaint? Do you or do you not agree that it is not good journalism to make politically charged accusations without any justification whatsoever?

[nealkassanoff]

Perhaps I missed your original claim by responding to a later point in the thread.

Absolutely! Claims must be backed by evidence.

[lavideomania]

Yes... it is a hazard of two things: 1) The desire by some here to avoid a direct point about this video by changing the subject, and 2) The somewhat substandard format of these pages for a serious discussion.

I don't make any claim that the US government is perfect; however, those who are allergic to any criticism of the Chinese government in a space where a slanderous claim has been made without merit, are themselves claiming to be above reproach. No government truly is...

[nealkassanoff]

I don't think the claim of Western Intelligence meddling in Chinese affairs (in this case and others) is without merit.

[lavideomania]

Your unsubstantiated opinion, based on prejudices or feelings, does not qualify as fact or evidence... any more than the title of this video counts as fact or evidence as it pertains to the contents of the video.

But even your thoughts about Western intel are really besides my point. There is a serious flaw in this report that disqualifies its journalistic credibility. That's the only subject I brought up.

[nealkassanoff]

Unsubstantiated opinion? Webster Tarpley offers a well documented account of these types of tactics. Many of the same indicators are present in this case.

[lavideomania]

I was responding to your previous comment, not to any body of work by a Webster Tarpley. You simply said "I dont think the claim... is without merit."

Your response has all the indicators of someone who accepts defamatory conspiracy claims about the US on the basis of circumstantial evidence, but who simply refuses to address the outright unsubstantiated slander present in the title of this video by what is supposedly a news organization.

[nealkassanoff]

I'm trying to offer you a foundational reference for my supposedly unfounded claims. Perhaps you should look into it for yourself. I wouldn't trust a bunch of Chi Com Statist propaganda either.

[lavideomania]

Context is everything. When you are responding to a complaint, and you refuse to acknowledge the complaint but instead bring up a counter-complaint that has foundation in a completely separate discussion, it stinks of coverup.

[nealkassanoff]

A cover up? Huh?

[gluvuv]

youTube deleted at least 20 of my posts on youTube. Please watch the South Korean report:

I want to invite everyone to watch:

watch?v=axP7u_Txk10

Truth speaks for itself.

[Simplelonging]

so sad...

punish criminals and pray for peace, for everyone.

[djhuso]

Muslims are the best in defending, It started with just 1 man... and look now. U just keep humiliating muslims... soon your children will be muslim, very sooon...

[wasker123]

We should learn from US that in Iraq,kill those terro bullshit with no doubt!

[pickandzip]

Wait a minute - i strongly disagree. Iraqis are not terrorists. Don't be blind and react with emotion. America remains the biggest threat for the world. The problem in Xinjiang is manageable by the Chinese government. There is no point to worry.

[biaoyangwo12]

feed them pork pie untill they are satisfy.or put pork pie on their mather's pussy

[amancalledCHOK]

Let s kill all rioters

[mchigubu]

We all pray for World Peace void of terrorism!

[AntiDefm]

Chinese?! You must mean Americans, mustn't you?! No one can compare with what Americans did in Iraq.

[VictimOfBoredom]

It's called "war". America is not abusing its own Muslim American citizens. Indeed, South Asians and Arabs make ABOVE the national income rate.

[djhuso]

soon we will fuck these little communist mao sucking bastards...

[whitespideralex]

you sobs need first get the fuck out of your deep shit holes in iraq and afganistan before taking on us. Aha, see you did really well in iraq. What do you call it? A success, or a fucking pathetic failure?

[billk61]

The PRC propagandists always have to invent stories about outside interference and "masterminds". Have they ever considered the possibility that the PRC's brutal rule in East Turkestan and Tibet is the real cause of the uprisings?

[AntiDefm]

"invent" story?! Do you know the CIA and Tibet?! or CIA and the most recent Iran election riots?!

BTW, Can you read?!

LOL!

[billk61]

I know the history very well. The Tibetan resistance had some unreliable supporters. The CIA backed the Tibetan resistance until the Nixon regime dumped them in favour of engagement with China.

Stalin provided logistical support for China's invasion of Tibet in 1950/ 1951 so China kept some dubious company too.

[wormite]

If you know the history, that's good. Then you can understand that the World Uyghur Congress has a very high chance being supported by other government. Of course Chinese government is at fault of not being able to make justice of the case in the toy factory, but this is not the alibi to start a riot.

[pickandzip]

There are 10 millions Ughurs pop in xinjiang and 500,000 more in other provinces. How about the aborigenes in Australia. How many remaining.

[billk61]

Well pickandzip

There are around 500, 000 aborigines in Australia and most of them have had their cultural traditions severely disrupted by white colonization. That was a crime. However, none of the crimes committed by white people against the first peoples they have colonized entitle China to do the same thing to Uigurs, Tibetans and Mongols. Especially not in the period since 1945 when the rest of the world has been decolonizing.

[pickandzip]

If China had done the same thing to the Uighurs, their pop would be down to 500,000 same as the Aborigenes or native indians of north america.

[pickandzip]

".... in the periiod since 1945....".

You mean China had colonized Xinjiang in the 40's or 50's. Where did you read these bullshits - from CNN ?

"... the rest of the world has been decolonizing..."

Are the white europeans still not squatting on Australia, North America and the farm lands of Zimbabwe.

[billk61]

The period since 1945 is the period in which the global community made decolonization a priority. Most of the former colonies of the European powers gained independence between 1945 and 1975, either by mutual agreement or through wars of national liberation. Those parts of China that were colonized by Japan regained their independence. China's rule over Tibetans and Uigurs would be equivalent to England still ruling Australia from London. That ceased 107 years ago.

[pickandzip]

Does it make diference for the Aborigenes and the native indians whether the Australian and the north american continent are ruled by London or by the white colonizers.

[billk61]

Do some research on how many Australian parliamentarians are aboriginal and how many aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander kids are educated in their own languages.

In Canada, the Inuit have their own Province, Nunavut. If Tibetans and Uigurs had real autonomy, like the Inuit do, China would have something to brag about. Instead the government and the fenqing are stuck in this game of denial.

[pickandzip]

LOL - MP's of aboriginal origin !!. - I thought u would tell me about mines owners or farm owners of aboriginal origin.

Nunavit province ?? Where is it found Near Vancouver or in some most inhospitable part of Canada.

[pickandzip]

The 1,4 billion Chinese have a right to live in this world. If you want to split the country and deny the majority to get access and means to survive, you have to fight a war for that. For 20 years you ve been only bluffing with your empty threats.

[billk61]

Of course Chinese have the right to a decent life. Your mistake is to believe that must come at the cost of other peoples' lives and wellbeing.

[pickandzip]

1/ Every development in anywhere in the world has a cost. In China the cost is borne by the Chinese themselves. Chinese need to work very hard to achieve what they have today. One child policy is another example. This again aplies to all Han Chinese ( The Uyghurs are privileged in this respect) regardless whether you are the sons of ministers or members of CCP. I cannot say they same for the westerners who have enriched and continue to do so at the expense of other nations

[pickandzip]

2/ If "human rights" was invented and imposed by some power in the 15th century, Western Europe population would be same as China today with all the problems.

[pickandzip]

3/ China long before Britain had the capability to conquer, dominate and enslave other nations but they did not. I recommend you to read the " GEnius of China" by Robert Temple

[codeagent47]

well so is every news in the world!!

[lavideomania]

Is Islam a race?