Sabbath - Prophecy Fulfilled at the 2nd Coming

[YouAreIsrael]

If sincere people wish to argue that the sabbath has been changed, or fulfilled in Jesus Christ they should be prepared to honestly examine this very simple fact. Our Heavenly Father Himself both blessed and sanctified the seventh day. Thus people must earnestly seek for themselves to see if the scriptures conclusively state that this blessing and sanctification of the seventh day has been done away with or fulfilled. If it cannot be found that it has been changed then the sabbath still stands.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

Jesus IS THE SABBATH. Why don't people get this? The Sabbath keeping of the Israelites has NOTHING in common with SDA's et al going to "church" on Saturday.

First, they used the LUNAR calendar so the Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Not the Roman calendar of Saturday. So even today's "keepers of the sabbath" don't even do it right.

It makes no difference however. The Sabbath is FULFILLED in Christ and our rest is found in HIM. - Heb 8

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - The lunar calendar was for months not days or weeks and it was adjusted by adding another month every so often. But I find this comment even more curious with the fact that the Romans didn't invent the seven day weekly cycle, God did! Thus by making the Roman calendar with a 7 day weekly cycle fit with God's 7 day week it seems that they are confirming the seven day week not denying it!!

God's seven day weekly cycle is His and it remains unchanged.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael The lunar calendar was not for days? Why do you think that Jews today begin Yom Kippur on Friday at sundown and fast until Saturday at sundown?

Again, the Sabbath has nothing to do with going to church building on a specific day. It's about rest. SDA's are wrong when the say that the "mark of the beast" is "Sunday worship". It's absurd.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC You just answered yourself. The lunar calendar was for months and years, the lunar cycle deals with the moon, not the sun!

The Hebrews (not just Jews) began everyday, not just feast days, at SUNdown. SUNdown! Sun = solar not lunar! The sun was used to designate days, the moon was for months!

Lastly the sabbath was for the congregation. If you examine your Strong's you'll find that the Hebrew word for congregation means the same as the Greek word for church.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - Also Jesus read the scriptures in the synagogue on the sabbath day. The synagogue was a place for the community to gather and hear the scriptures read. This is an indisputable fact that cannot be gainsaid in any way. There is a rich history of the Hebrews and suggestive generations to this day that gather on the 7th day. There is nothing in the NT that suggests the sabbath has been changed to SUNday! Faith and logic would demand an examination of the truth! God bless.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael

The Sabbath day is clear. Six days you shalt labor and rest on the Seventh. It doesn't matter what day you go to "church". The old law does not apply. 

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - You say that with such confidence! Tell me, where in the Bible can I find the blessing and sanctification that God Himself proclaimed for the 7th day was ever removed? Who removed it. By what authority? Jesus said He was the Lord of the sabbath; Lord in this case means 'owner' or 'authority'. Are you suggesting Jesus isn't the rightful owner and authority of the sabbath? BTW are you now convinced that lunar and solar are two different things meant for two different purposes?

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael First of all, you don't convince me of anything. I can't stand it when you SDA's ask me to show when the Sabbath was changed. I NEVER SAID IT WAS CHANGED TO SUNDAY. It was FULFILLED! It is a spiritual rest. Is circumcision still applicable too? No! It's a spiritual circumcision. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ and thus is now a SPIRITUAL rest.

If you're going to keep the Hebrew Sabbath, do it correctly. Fri night thru Sat night.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - First off I'm not trying t convince you of anything. "A man convinced against his will..." Since you say that the sabbath was fulfilled where can I read that in scripture? Heb 4? Be serious. How did SUNday replace the sabbath? Circumcision is still applicable - see Romans 2:29. It's fairly presumptuous to insinuate I don't observe the sabbath from Fri night to Sat night for it's common knowledge when the sabbath falls and ends! It's by faith and logic I tell you these things!

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Sorry to intrude, but we live under a new covernant.

Sabbath is longer in effect.

Jesus resting in the tomb fufilled the Sabbath.

Circumsion is not applicable. Have you ever read St Pauls, letters properly?

We are justified by faith, not works.

God wants a pure heart.

Not someone who keeps vain laws, but is evil inside.

Thats what the NT is about.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - Faith doesn't void the law, faith establishes the law! The fact that Christ died to uphold the law establishes the permanence of the law. If the law could have been so easily been done away with then Christ need not have died. These are simple facts that need to be recognized and understood. If the sabbath is no longer in effect then neither is the 7th commandment or the 10th, or the 5th, or the....well you get the point. If one commandment has been done away with then all have.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

We are given one commandment with the NT. TO LOVE. Love God with all mind and heart, ect. And love our neighbors. If we love our neighbor, we dont steal, or commit adultery or lie, ect. We love God we don't make idols.

So yes, all the law is done away with, even the commandments, circumcision, ect.

All we do now is LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Yes, love still means we keep parts of the OT laws because they are virtuous in nature.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - The commandment to love one another as ourselves and to love God with all our mind, heart, soul and strength is from the OT so it is certainly not a new teaching. Using your logic, "We love God so we keep His sabbath" right? Doesn't the Bible tell us that only those that keep the commandments of God have a right to the tree of life? I think it does.

Can anyone show me where the blessing and sanctification of the sabbath has been done away with, altered, or fulfilled? Anyone?

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

St Paul even states in the letter to the Hebrews the OT is obsulete clearly.

I care only for the teaching of the 2000 yr old church which chose the NT canon.

I guess according to you, this church is wrong, because....you cant be wrong...because it causes u to go through a period of questioning and crisis, and you dont want to go through that.

So why even bother debating.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - He does? Where? I see you're Catholic then (Orthodox?). And yes, according not to me but to scripture the RCC is wrong. How come the Orthodox church is subservient to Rome?

Do some serious research. SUNday is a pagan day adopted by the church to appease pagans. There is nothing in scripture transferring the solemnity of the sabbath to SUNday. You might want to put your misconceptions to the side and do like thousands of Catholics have done and denounced Rome and accepted God.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Heb 8:13- By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete;

and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.”

Your joking that we serve Rome. We wont accept them back until they reform 1000 years of changes to their church, especial papil inflaibilty, fillioque, dogmas on mary, ect

The apostles broke bread on the first day of the week, AKA SUNDAY

Worship day is everyday. We are called to pray unceasinging too.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - There are plenty of videos that show the leaders of the Orthodox church bowing to the Pope of You Tube, check 'em out! I see you are attempting to use Acts 20:7 to solidify your view that SUNday has replaced the sabbath. Tell me why Paul walked 20 miles to Assos if you would. Why doesn't the church meet on Saturday night like Paul did (see Acts 20:8)? At while it is true we worship and pray everyday that does not negate God's 4th commandment one bit. God bless.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

They bow out of respect.

If u met a Japanese who likes to bow in greating, i would do it, doesnt mean i submit my entire will to them. The scripture never said he did it in observance of the OT. He just happed to do that stuff, and it was recorded.

Paul wanted to worship Sat night and he did, so do i sometimes.Doesnt mean that only Sat night we worship, unless specificaly stated as a command.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

I tell you one thing. Reformed Protestant church is much more similar to the Catholic faith than Orthodoxy.

You read Orthodox theology, you will start seeing enormous difference with Rome.

You know it wasnt until the late 4th century the NT canon wasnt finalised universal.

All the logical answers are found in about 50 theologians at that time. Everything makes better sence when you read them. I cant teach so much in little youtube boxes.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - You're right! Protestantism is much closer to Rome than they're care to admit for they keep her SUNday and repeat her pagan doctrines. I know all about the history of the canon and I'm constantly amazed at how little credit the Holy Spirit is given for compiling the scriptures.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Good. According to the Early Church, it was not bible alone faith.

Example. Septuagint was what they apostles quoted in the NT. Then all the apostles sucessor used the Septuagint in their writing as evidence as well.

So why r Orthodox only church to cont. using Septuagint tradition?

Same with Apostlic Sucession, Real Presnece in Eucarist, Icons, Sacraments, ect.

This is the work of the Holy Spirit.

Not bible alone. The tradtion is bigger.

[orthodox4eva]

Why do u make SUN in bold letters.

R u hinting SUN for Sun deity., cos i heard it alot.

I speak modern greek, and Koine Greek.

Sunday in Greek, means Lords(Kurie) day. So it has no link to the pagan Sun idols.

English didnt exist then, so people need to cite, greek and latin sometimes, about naming rights back then.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - I type SUn in bold because for centuries the first day of the week was dedicated to "Sol Invictus" the god of Mithraism and early Rome. You should know that the Bible never called the first day of the week the "Lord's day" because the sabbath is the Lord's day. See Is 58:13. Sunday is never mentioned in Greek in the NT so the term "Lord's day" is specifically referring the SUN god "Sol Invictus" (The invincible sun). Easter, Christmas and many other celebrations have pagan roots.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

So what if they have pagan roots??

We celebrate the birth and ressurection of Jesus. What wrong wih that???

So what if it falls on pagan holidays?? The church is missionary, it needs to work in a way to convert people effectivley in big numbers.

Jesus is God, therefore His death and Ressurecytion are eternal. They are happening every moment. So they cover all-time. So i can celebrate them anytime i want. Why restrict worship to once a week? We should be christaisn 24/7

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva If they have pagan roots they're pagan, not Christian. If you wanna celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection at least know when He was born and resurrected. Christ died once for all and isn't dying constantly - that's another pagan idea!

You just don't get it. These things aren't Christian no matter what you think. It's SUN worship.

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make the pig Ms. America! It's still a pig!

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Funny thing is, i'm 100% sure i don't worship the SUN.

Your logic is terrible, so yr obviously brainwashed.

But i guess a tiny minority, SDA, Jehovah's and Unitarian churches must be correct.

They know better, than the early church that chose the NT.

Actually, know i understand why 2 billion people bow down to the SUN at Christmas.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - The road to destruction is wide and the gate to everlasting life is narrow. Deception is Satan's biggest weapon and the first one Christ warned about. The early church didn't compile the NT the Holy Spirit did! What hubris to give the church credit for something God Himself did!

Unfortunately bowing to the wafer god that is offered by Rome and sacrificing Christ afresh everyday is, whether you choose to admit it or not, of pagan origin and quite Satanic. God bless.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Christains know, Christmas date was of pagan practice before that.

So what?????

We DONT worshipo the pagan gods!!!

U read history and see the date chosen for christmas was done on purpose. Moved to 25th dec to class with pagan holiday to get pagans to become christians. A missionary tactic.

Who cares if it was a pagan day b4. It is what Christians make of it.

Your seriously brainwashed!!

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - So what? Where in the Bible are we told to remember Christ's birthday? So what? Why is it so difficult to admit that pagan celebrations and feast days were incorporated into Christian theology to placate pagans? A missionary tactic? Please. Sol Invictus was instituted into Christianity to placate pagans and it remains pagan, i.e. gift giving, the Yule log, Santa Claus. Who cares? Maybe God cares. Ever think about that? The major problem with Christianity is it's still pagan!!

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Who said, that we adopted pagan theology?

All we did was adopt their date. We share a date, but worship completely differently.

A DATE IS NOT THEOLOGY.

Fore example, the santa clause thing is secular pagan stuff.

But at church theres no santa. Only worship to the Lord is on our mind.

We dont let non church activity polute our mind.

Thats what is the key point you must remember.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

The bible doesnt give a date.

Were in the bible does it say Mathew is scripture? Or James? Or Revelations?

OH...yeah we listen to the Holy Spitrit that helped the early church produce it.

Also the early church celebrates the Nativity of our Lord as an apostloic tradtion. So Lets follow the entire tradtion.

Otherwise we r hypocrites and pick and choose what is good and not.

Ur doing this now.

[uppercutter21]

@YouAreIsrael God judges the heart not the date. If in your heart you're celebrating the day Christ rose from the dead but that same day is easter (pagan holiday) and everyone is finding eggs (what that has to do with Christ is anyone's guess) God will still see in your heart that you're remembering Him even if it's not the right date. Traditions are more for people who claim to have faith but don't, then it is for people who actually have faith. We are confused little creatures, God help us.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

The Holy Spirit moved within the heirarchy of the Bishops to settle the NT and OT.

But not bible alone.Thats how radicles extremest like SDA, Jahavahs, Uniterians come about with rediculous context manipulation.

Ur justy as bad as the uniternians, manipulating context 4 ur own cause.

If u belive in the Holy Spirit, then you would be part of the Orthodox church and believe that during the Divine Liturgy the wafter becomes the flesh of our Lord.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - Well at least you're giving credit to the Holy Spirit now! Nice admission. Transubstantiation? Another pagan practice adopted by Catholicism in the 1200's. Sacrificing Jesus afresh everyday? I thought He died once and for all? It's sad to see when people don't understand that when mass is held 24/7 around the world in every time zone it is an admission by Satan that Christ never was sacrificed! The HS moves people in all churches not just the pagan dominated RCC.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Between 50 Ad to 400 Ad.

i can find u 40 seperate people who said Jesus flesh and Blood appear in the liturgy. Not in the 1200's.

Though the Holy Spirit, what Jesus gave to His disiple at the last supper, is what is given at every church service. Not a re-sacrafice, but as the 5 loaves filled 5,000 people. So does Jesus last supper to billions of people in all time and around the world.

The last supper becomes present to all through the Holy Spirit.

[orthodox4eva]

Respond to this video...

Now i ask you. Why have you broken this tradtion of Jesus flesh and blood present at the Liturgy.

The Holy Spirit acted to keep this tradtion going from Jesus last supper.

This is not explained in big detail in the bible.

But in the end, the tradtion of the early church is not bible alone.

The Holy Spirit guides us to have lots of tradtions through apostolic sucession of bishops from the line of the apostles. Why do you reject this??

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - Because there is nothing in scripture that suggests one has to accept the tradition of man. I'm sola scriptura, sola gratia and sola fides. Something that the RCC isn't.

[uppercutter21]

@orthodox4eva Traditions are an outward showing of an inward feeling. Observing them or not is not going to send one to heaven or hell. It's just a way to physically show your inward feelings. Such things aren't needed for someone strong in their faith. I think traditions are good because they remind us of important events but some can remind themselves just fine. God just wants us to live like Christ, have faith in Him, and treat our fellow man better then ourselves. Not honor traditions.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Its sad, you ridicule people, who chose 1 day out of the yr to have a Nativity service.

Does it matter, what day of the yr? NO!!

What matters is what is in the persons heart.

Your heart is cold, and you see like the Pharisees and hypocrites, who see the outside of the cup and dish and not in the inside.

I pray u see things for what they are one day!

Im done with this convo, if you continue on with pagan garbage.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - Ridicule? Nope. I'm telling you the truth. Christmas and Easter are of pagan origin pure and simple. And yet you want to kill the messenger instead of hearing the message. I'm sorry you don't like me telling you these things are pagan in origin but it would be unfair and irresponsible of me to do otherwise considering I'm aware of this historical fact. It's really a shame that Christians would rather dismiss the truth than hear it. The bottom line? God's word is true, not Rome.

[orthodox4eva]

You cant play hypocrit.

The early church did a great job, becuase you obviously follow the NT.

Now you cant call them pagans after that.

Read your history properly, stop reading Unitareian and atheist books that wrist history to destroy Christainity. SDA books borrow from them.

You show me these books in person, ill emarass u, like these people that knowck on my door, n relise they authors are phonies, telling half stories, and mixing truth and lies.

Read independant material!!!



[FAITHandLOGIC]

@orthodox4eva

No, these SDA's don't read the scriptures correctly. That's their problem and why I won't become one (or join ANY denomination for that matter). I don't disagree with everything they teach however. I agree with the State of the Dead and that Romanism is the antichrist and whore of babylon. But this ego of self-righteousness because they go to church on Saturday and because they are vegetarians is pathetic.

[orthodox4eva]

@FAITHandLOGIC

You do need to be in a church though. The apostles were together as a church.

I highly recommend you learn a bit of the Orthodox faith.

The worship is a copy as in heaven (ex ch 25-30, Is Ch 6. Rev ch4). Not man made as protestants. A copy of how the angles worship. If you start from there, you will uncover something truly amazing.

You do have a good grasp of doctrine. i give you credit for that.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@orthodox4eva I grew up a Greek Orthodox so I am familiar with it. I'm not a fan of all of the ceremonies and rituals that mirror the Catholic Church. I don't want to offend you because you seem like a nice person. It just seemed like idol worship to me. Too much lighting candles, chants and kissing icons.

But if it works for you, God Bless you.

[orthodox4eva]

@FAITHandLOGIC

Remember though, God commanded Israel to make images of the Cherubim, and the Silver serpent, mercy seat, ect.

How does this not contradict the 2nd commamment?

Because 2nd com. is to not worship them as idols.

Same with icons, respect to icons goes to the prototype, just like when i show a photo of someone, it lead the viewer to the protoype.

Chanting, is what the elders in heaven worshiped like (REv ch 3,4,). and the vision of isiah of the angles worshp was like.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - He never said worship them and when they did worship those images they were destroyed.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Good man.

Same goes with icons.

Good thing is Orthodox dont worship the icons, otherwise we would destroy them immediatley.

Just like the serpent, when Israel started burning incense to it.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - Yeah, but you do keep Romes SUNday and repeat her doctrines based on paganism. Did you know that observing the sabbath was outlawed in all of the Roman Empire in 135AD by Hadrian? This is one reason why so many of the early church leaders were so against the sabbath is because public opinion turned against the Hebrews after the war from 131-135AD. Were you aware that this is how people were turned against the sabbath? BTW Polycarp was a faithful sabbatarian. God bless.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Good u brought up history.

Polycarp was contneding against Marcion who reject the OT completely.

To set a good example he wanted Christains in Asaia Minor to worship on Saturday to show the OT still plays apart in the NT era.

They still worship on Sunday. Just like the Apostles, its in the book of Acts often.

.....So what about the Emperers opinion. Early Christian never cared about public opinion. Why did they go through all the humiliating torture and death then?

[orthodox4eva]

Unfortunaley Orthodox in the west can allow protestants to dictate the context of scripture to us.

Forgetting we produced the canon of scripture and canons to dictated the context. i made videos that help protetsants in conversion to orthodoxy. I recommed you watch some, to clear up protestant influence out of the orthodox faith.

Sorry, i wont preach anymore, just wanted to let u know that stuff.

I hope you return to the visible body of Christ once again, and bless you on your journey.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael

Circumcision is still applicable? WOW! You are stuck on the old law my friend. Good luck with that.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - Circumcision is spiritual and not physical so yes, definitely circumcision is still applicable!

Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

This is very basic stuff to understand.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael I feel like I'm arguing with a Mormon right now because the logic is lacking on your part.

You just proved my point and you don't even know it. Paul is talking of a spiritual circumcision which is a sign of God's people. The physical aspect of it is null and void. 

It's the same with the Sabbath. It's been fulfilled therefore it's a spiritual rest in Christ rather than a physical rest.

This is very basic stuff to understand.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - Just because Paul is referring to spiritual circumcision doesn't preclude that circumcision is not necessary. He is referring to spiritual circumcision and that is necessary and so circumcision has not been done away with.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - If, as you suggest, the sabbath has been fulfilled then it only stands to reason that the other commandments have been fulfilled as well. Tell me then, how has the 7th commandment been fulfilled? If a man denies the temptation of an affair with his secretary is he a legalist and using works to be saved? I can hear you say, "of course not." So why do folks say that about people that wish to keep observance of the 7th day? Why does God call His law Holy, just and good?

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - You keep saying the sabbath has been fulfilled in Jesus but when asked for a specific reference from scripture to make this understandable you have yet to provide even one verse, why? Where is there one verse that says the sanctification and blessing of the 7th day has been removed? Aren't you concerned that there isn't one verse that states the sanctification and blessing of the 7th day has been removed, transferred or moved to another day? The fact is the sabbath still exists.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael

Exodus 31:17 - It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."

See that? It was a sign for the Israelites. It's not a sign for gentiles. We are under a new covenant and Christ NEVER once says to continue the sabbath in a literal sense.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - Aren't you an adopted son of Israel? Who is Israel? It's Jesus!! If you are with Jesus then you are Israel.

[richardperry2]

@YouAreIsrael - True!

Romans 9:6-8 For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. ... In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@richardperry2 OMG ... IT'S NOT A LITERAL SABBATH! This is not difficult. It was fulfilled through Christ. The 4th commandmant is the only Ceremonial law of the commandments. How many ceremonial laws of the Hebrews were kept? ZERO, NONE, NIL, ZILCH. Why would the Sabbath be any different?

The Sabbath was part of a covenant between God and Israel and No, I AM NOT OF ISRAEL. The new covenant is on our hearts - 2 Cor 3. The Sabbath rest is a spiritual rest through Christ.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael Colosssians 2:16-17 - Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - Wow! Don't you realize this verse actually confirms what I believe about the sabbath? Don't you realize the context you should take with this verse? Read verses 20-22. "After the commandments of men..." Read Lev 23:37. The sabbath had nothing to do with drink or meat offerings or the new moon or other festivals. People trot out Col 2 like it gives them freedom to abuse the sabbath, it in fact states not to judge those that want to keep the sabbath! Col 2 doesn't change anything!

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael You are unbelievable. More of this self-righteous BS from a SDA. How about this?

Isaiah 1:13

Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

Sounds like God has had enough of Judah and their Sabbath. Get over yourself. You're not special b/c you go to chuch on Saturday.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - No, I'm certainly not special because I go to church on Saturday. I'm special because Jesus Christ dies on the cross on Calvary for the remission of my sins. I honor Him as best I can in my sinful state and keep His sabbath not to be saved but because I AM saved!!

If you are so disturbed by sabbath truth it would seem you need to take it up with the HS in prayer. Know this however. There will come a day when the same respect I seek for the sabbath won't be granted.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - I guess you haven't read Isaiah 58? Does it still apply?

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

God calls His sabbath a delight! Is it not a delight? Is SUNday His sabbath?

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael Are you deaf? or blind? Stop insinuating that I said that Sunday is the Sabbath. I never said that. It's like you're broken record. You run out of arguments, so like clockwork, you run back to same stupid question. "When does God change the Sabbath to Sunday"? He never does and no one is saying he did. Get over it.

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC - So if, according to you, the sabbath has never been changed by what authority do you teach that the admonition of "Remember the seventh day..." is no longer applicable? Where can I find in the Bible any reference that states clearly that the sabbath is no longer to be remembered? Where can I find it stated that the sanctification and blessing of the sabbath has been removed and no longer to be remembered? Where? Share a verse or two, please. God said remember. You say forget.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@YouAreIsrael Romans 14:5-6 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

I observe every day for the LORD. Is that a problem?

[YouAreIsrael]

@FAITHandLOGIC Too bad Romans 14 isn't about the sabbath but eating foods sacrificed to idols. Weaker converts wouldn't eat certain meats if they thought there were offered to pagan gods on certain days. And while dying daily to Christ is fundamental in our Christian belief that doesn't preclude the assembly of one another of like minded beliefs - see Hebrews 10:25.

Bottom line is that there is nothing in the NT that "fulfills" the sabbath commandment. It says "remember." Therefore remember it!

[orthodox4eva]

@FAITHandLOGIC

You are right my friend.

We are called to pray ceaslessly. Church is anyday. Church is eternal.

We join the angels in heaven, when we worship God, in the eternal heavenly liturgy. (Is 6:1-12)

Richard Perry, is a loony. He thinks hes a prophet. He should be preching to love one another, be missionaries, pray. ect. but instead tries to make people doomsday fanatics that turn non- christians off.

[AugmentedMinor]

Jesus is our Sabbath rest.

[spakedme]

Isaiah 58:13, 14. Exodus 20:8-11. Matthew 5:17-19. Ephesians 1:13-14, 6:18. Remember the seventh day by keeping it holy, Jesus said i do not come to change the law. 1 John 5:3 says if you love God keep his commands. did God or Jesus ever say worship on the day i was resurrected? Did he say a new law i give unto you, worhip on Sunday? Give me a bible verse that says worship on the first day.

[MrObamaHATESwhites]

@matt22225555

How did the jews distort the sabath. It was Constantine who changed it from saturday to sunday to make the pagens feel better.

[ChatDEau69]

God is Love, and teaches us to forgive one another, as HE FORGIVES US.

Peace.

[orthodox4eva]

The early church fathers taught that the 1000 years, especialy the 1000 year reign of Christ meant more accuratley 'a very long time'. The reign of Christ with his saints are the believers (saints) after His ascension into heaven. We are now reigning with Christ on earth as His saints.

Time does not exist where God is. God is not bound to time. Its not wise to arrange numbers in a special rational order to define God plan.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@orthodox4eva So you're saying that we are in the millenial kingdom now?

[orthodox4eva]

@FAITHandLOGIC

Yes, in the way i explained above.

Also Richard Perry's idea makes no sence. Why does another 1000 years need to be lived with Christ after the 2nd coming. Heaven and Earth pass away, so we enter the eternal age in paridise or hell.

The early church father agreed on this around the yr 325 too.

[YouAreIsrael]

@orthodox4eva - The earth perishes with fervent heat and everything on earth is destroyed (2 Pet 3). Satan is bound for 1,000 years (Rev. 20"3). After 1,000 years the earth is renewed as we are with Christ in heaven (Rev. 20:5). After the 1,000 years there is another resurrection of the damned and they along with Satan lay siege on the chosen of God (Rev. 20:7-9). After this we live on earth in peace and safety. Your early church father reference is very debatable.

[orthodox4eva]

@YouAreIsrael

Remember the 1000 years, also applies to Satan. Satan has been bound for the 1000 yrs (long time) now. Because of Jesus resurrection and proclamation of the truth has free us from him.

N.B - The church fathers first language was KOINE Greek, the NT language. They are at a far greater position for interpretation than anyone. Plus they were extremely devout ascetics, much more like Christ than us, so i choose there interpretation over individual private interpretation

[EastEndWatcher]

Judge others is wrong.OF course a day of rest is good.All who work know this well.Christ would not be angry if peopel worship him anyday. I fear judazing has crept into this.

[EastEndWatcher]

So richard you are saying the worship of jesus is a sin on sunday? and people be punished?

[richardperry2]

I proclaim what Yahweh said.

"You must not worship Yahweh your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things Yahweh hates. ... See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it." Deut. 12:31-32

[EastEndWatcher]

Now the question you think worship and serve christ on sunday is sin?

[richardperry2]

Where did Sunday the first day of the week worship come from?

For that matter, where did 25th of december aka christmas come from?

God or Man?

[EastEndWatcher]

Lords day.Day he rose. and meet 3 times after risen.Early christians used it.From my study.Worship christ on any day Jesus would be glad? you say not?

[richardperry2]

"You must not worship Yahweh in their way, because they do all kinds of detestable things Yahweh hates. ... See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it." Deut. 12:31-32

And Christ said,

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law ... I have not ... not the least stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until EVERYTHING is accomplished. " Matt 5:17-18

The Harvest Feasts have not been fulfilled yet.

Keep watch!

[EastEndWatcher]

What about mercy ?worship christ on any day cant be wrong.Jesus was passover lamb.And rose on lords day.Early christians used sunday.Argue a day is like phrassies.Our rest is in the lord of sabbath.

[MrObamaHATESwhites]

@EastEndWatcher

I'm sure jesus wouldn't hold it against you to worship/bible on "any day".

Never the less, he said REMEMBER the sabbath day. That means don't forget it.

That day is Saturday.

Also note, that you keep the sabath holy by not working or having others push the paper for you.

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@richardperry2

Man! ;-)

[FAITHandLOGIC]

@richardperry2 You are correct. Both came from man but everyone seems to be putting too much emphasis on what day you attend church when the whole aspect of CHURCH itself comes from man. The Church is supposed to be the body of believers, not a building.

[EastEndWatcher]

Early Christians meet on sunday.Christ apreared also 3 times on this day did he not? Why would Christians worship like Fleshly Israel?Who perverted the sabbath

[enaudnella]

@EastEndWatcher

No what Richard is saying is that GOD said " Let the Sabbath be a sign between me and my people" Ezekiel 20:12 and 20...........So the standard is god's word and the question then falls on whether you raise or fall to the standard........Do you believe God's word or Roman Emperor Constantine in 360 A.D who tried to change sabbath from saturday to sunday to save the division of his political empire ?



[kevinloinel]

where'd you get that background music? can i have it??

[Iggyocracy]

Oh great, so now it's gonna be another 1000 years until God doesn't show up & humanity stays in this idiocy that he alone created. Yeah, another Gov't is exactly what heaven should be. Easy & somewhat related question, how many Sabbath-Law breakers have you killed or brought forward to be killed?

[richardperry2]

Oh Great ! That's funny !

No it won't be long now. We have entered the Last Generation and the End of the Age and Christ's 2nd Coming are less than 32 years away.

[megaman2160]

wrong again. we are not 32 years away. because according to william tapely it will end in 2017

[knightsofstjoan2004]

SHABBAT SHALOM! Did you know that the Sabbath reminds us that we have rest in Yeshua (JESUS) and also he delivered us from the penalty of sin at Cavalry. We have rest and we find rest unto our souls when we come to him (see Matthew 11:28-29). Yeshua HaMashiach is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8), AMEN.

[bhatindawalla]

Shabbat is the 7th day not the 1st day.

Christians not only got rid of Shabbat but also the Feasts of YHWH. They have opted for pagan soaked feast.

[SweetSoundOfGrace]

the puritans kept the sabbath!

nowadays SDA's and Jews do so, but have a false idea about Yahushua.

i'd rather have all of these days and feasts restored from this day on. quite impossible to accomplish when you're part of a congregation.

Shalom!

(i'd love to hear useful info on the subject, so don't hesitate)

[Malcie007]

A lot of people misunderstand when God created the days, they think Sunday to Saturday and it goes around and around, the truth is God's 7th day as no end, if you read Genesis you will note that following each of the six days of creation that the day ends with this statement: "And there was evening and there was morning -- the first day." The same for the succeeding days of creation with each so designated as its respective day until we come to the seventh day. cont...

[Malcie007]

The seventh day has no such ending to bring this day to a close. Instead we have, this statement for the seventh day: Gen. 2:2,3 -- By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

[richardperry2]

That is a very interesting observation, I had not taken notice. You are correct.

Also, while Revelation 20 makes clear that Christ's riegn (7th Day) will be 1,000 years, Daniel indicates that Kingdom will also be eternal. (Not just one day.) Most interesting. Thanks!!

[AdventistDefense]

This silly argument has long been refuted. See my video "Attack of the Sabbath and the Coming Sunday Law." The Sabbath did in fact have an ending point. More at my website in my study called "The Sabbath in Genesis."

[Malcie007]

Not a silly agument at all !. Thats what Scripure says regarding God 7th day in Genesis, Our 7th day sabbath was/is a saddow of that rest; Yeah our sabbath did have an ending point at the Cross.

[richardperry2]

Isaiah describes identifies the Sabbath being practiced in the Kingdom of God - yet future.

Isaiah 66:22-23 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares Yahweh, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says Yahweh.

If the Sabbath has an end, it hasn't come yet.

[Malcie007]

Regarding Isaiah 66:22, 23 and if Isaiah therefore taught that the Sabbath will be kept in heaven.

22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the LORD, "So shall your descendants and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD (NKJV) Cont....

[Malcie007]

In addition, please consider that there is also a "New Moon" in Isaiah's "new heavens and new earth." There are also "Levites" as mentioned in 66:21.If the Sabbath is there, then the new moon and Levitical priesthood are there too.This expression "new heavens and earth" has to be defined by the context in which it is found. For example,in 2 Peter 3:1-13, the usage of it is clear that it is referring to the next era of time in heaven where there is absolutely nothing that exists as sinful.Cont.

[Malcie007]

But the context of Isaiah in which Isaiah 66:22, 23 is in disallows such a meaning.Please consider that Isaiah is speaking of the same "new heavens and earth" in chapter 65 which helps us determine the meaning of it:"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind" (65:17) cont.....

[Malcie007]

Now note what all is in Isaiah's "new heavens and earth":

•Levites (66:21)

•New Moon (66:23)

•Sabbath (66:23)

•flesh (66:23)

•wolves, lambs, lions and serpents (65:25)

•children who die at 100 years old (65:20)

•building houses and planting vineyards, work with hands (65:21, 22)

•bringing forth children (65:23)

[Malcie007]

Now when you compare what is actually taught about the New Testament's "new heaven and earth" you can readily conclude that Isaiah's "New heaven and earth" cannot be speaking about the heaven where God's literal throne exists today, but most probable of the return of the Jews from Babylonian captivity--which was a new era in their existence as a nation. Cont....

[Malcie007]

•Christ is our priest in heaven and is not of Levi. The law was changed (Heb. 8:1; 7:11-15)

•New Moon and Sabbaths are done away and a mere shadow of things to come (Col. 2:14-17). Besides, there is no sun or moon in heaven (Rev. 21:23, 22:5). This fact makes it impossible to have a regular Sabbath keeping as well as a the "new moon."

•no flesh shall inherit it (1 Cor. 15:50ff)

•no death exists there (Rev. 22:4)

•no marrying and giving in marriage there (Matt. 22:30)

[richardperry2]

Sabbath is kept in the Kingdom of God come on earth in Jerusalem, Israel.

[Malcie007]

Hope this all keeps in context for you youtube is dificult at time, things get out of place, will send you full copy direct

blessings

[YHWHisYahushua1LORD]

Get real |Malcie007. Are youseriously saying that we are living the seventh day (Sabbath) over and over again! Read scripture and ask for the guidance of Yah's|Holy Spirit - that is - IF,you have ears to hear!

[daro2096]

Hey Richard you are a Seventh-day Adventist and you didn't even know it.

You believe the seventh day sabbath is still binding for Christians and you believe Jesus is coming soon. This makes you a Seventh-day Adventist. You may not be official a SDA(maybes you are I don't know) but you are.

[daro2096]

If Christ is coming to set up his kingdom on earth then when are these Scriptures going happen?

I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light. I beheld, and, lo, [there was] no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was] a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, [and] by his fierce anger. Jeremiah 4:23, 25, 26.

[daro2096]

(cont)

And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Jeremiah 25:33.

Did you know that the word translated bottomless pit in Revelation 20 means without form and void?

This earth will enjoy its sabbath rest for 1000 years while the wicked are all dead and the saved are in heaven. The only being that will be left alive is Satan.

[daro2096]

The Sabbath was created before sin entered the picture. The Sabbath is not one of the shadows that is to be fulfiled.

God gave two things to Adam and Eve at Creation: Marriage and the Sabbath. And isn't it amazing what Satan is attacking in these last days of earth's history?

[cprj025]

thank you for your great website..i have a problem that is haunting since i discovered what is true christianism...i was raised as a catholic...my problem about the sabbath issue is.I am a police officer and i have to work on sabbath day many time ..and i am wondering how is it possible for every human not to work on sabbath.think about hospitals..doctors, surgeons,cops.firefighters.ele­ctrical power sations..etc etc.what can we do.what can i do?thank you for your opinion i realy need guidance

[richardperry2]

I just put up a YouTube video titled - The End: God's 4th Commandment. It will add perspective but it will not answer all your questions. I will send you a YouTube message with my opinion, but I suggest you search for guidance from the Word and the Spirit.

[daro2096]

The priests worked four times as hard on the Sabbath and they were/are blameless. Many pastors say that the Sabbath is the day they work the most

Don't worry. You are doing an essential job. Doctors and nurses can work on the Sabbath. Jesus said it is good to heal on the Sabbath day.

[sampsoncain1984]

richard im lovin the ancient music in the background. what is the name of this song? and where can i find more ancient sounding music like the song in your video?

[richardperry2]

It's on Roxio 10 as music sound tracks - Futuristic - Dynasty

[richardperry2]

Winston,

Yes, I support of keeping the Sabbath today.

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law (Romans 3:28-31).

Rather, we uphold the law.

More videos! Richard

[daro2096]

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1, 2a. Also please read Romans chapter 5 and the rest of chapter 6.

[crawfordwinston]

I was bless to see such a wonderful lesson onthe Sabbath but your study was only half true. The Sabbath will be reinstituted at the 2nd coming but it is also meant to be kept here on earth as part of our fitness for heaven. Exodus 20:8-8 Says remember (in other words don't forget it here on earth) the Sabbath day to keep it holy six days thou shall do all thy work but the 7th day (Saturday)is the Sabbath unto the Lord God.

Winston

[daro2096]

We keep the Sabbath as a memorial of Creation. We will keep the Sabbath in heaven as both a sign of Creation and Redemption.

[surfer4u2luv]

daro2096- AMEN!