The beautiful thing about Angie; is that apart from the possibility of a one-night-stand; no man would wish to try and negotiate a longer term relationship with Her
In many respects, you are right, your perspective coming from free thought, insofar as it is actually free from dogma, superstition or prejudice. But then, you misconceive of "religion", which makes you prejudiced, denying its authentic roots in the human psyche. When you say,"The Bible", you are talking about the Old Testament, of which the New Testament is a profound departure; the so-called God of Wrath no longer present, nor the need to submit to authority, and that is a concept of freedom.
The difference in abuse and bdsm is one is done in love and the other is to brake someone at their very core. Fact, not everyone agrees with the bdsm lifestyle, but to conpare it to something as to show it in a negative light is just wrong. I for one like for a man to be a man, now does that mean that I want him to "go upside my head" when he's had a bad day, of if he's had too much to drink absolutely not. I want a man that can take charge of a situation, and also allow me to feel free by comp
I understand where your going with what you are saying, however the bible does say for a man to love his wife as Christ loved the church (Eph 5:25)... And the fact that Christ died for the church that sorta does without saying that you wouldn't dye for something or someone that you didn't hold dear to your heart ( so abuse is pretty much thrown out) and as for the exact quote spare the rod, spare the child, your right that not what it says. Proverbs 13:24 states whoever spares the rod hates the
@BRobb82 - Well said. I agree on each one of your points. I think this is also the reason that the Internet, like a gun, needs to be protected from children and those without the ability to spot blatant incompetence on such topics involved in this classic example of amateur journal'isn'ti'm.
I think wife spanking should be legal!!!! And this woman knows nothing about the Bible!!! Women had there chance and every one knows what happen with eve in the garden!! So if a man see fit that his woman needs a spanking then go for it !!! It been long over due and what the hell do rape got to do with spanking!!!
Woman's lib gave us the right to choose.I choose to be in a CDD. I am happy. I am 49 years old,not some young thing with rose tinted glasses. I entered this knowing the boundries and expectaions and consequences too. It's not for you,fine.Just because you don't like it,doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just different. It fulfills my need to submit and His to dominate. I could not respect or love a weak man.
CDD leads to true happiness. No man wants to deal with some uppity shrew that bosses him around and emasculates him. If a woman gets out of line it is her husband's God given DUTY to correct her by spanking her.
The problem, Angie, is not the domestic discipline; it's the fact that you're not dating a real man. Your current boyfriend is too boring. He's too nice. He does everything you want. That gets old fast.
In contrast, your ex-husband was a real man. He provides the disclipine, imbalance, and drama you need in your life. I sense that you secretly yearn for a man similar to your ex-husband to waltz into your life to rescue you from boredom.
I hope you find & marry a real man like your ex-husband.
I agree with you, this is very silly... why a woman has to be submissive ??? Marriage is a work team, equaly, I would never ever will accept to be the one who should be spanked (DOMESTIC DISCIPLINE), is extremelly stupid. If this is a role play and want to be in, is your right but be spanked just because is your husband or is the guy. Is bollony for me.
yeah ummmmmm domestic discpiline isnt abuse. it isnt about hurting. and it isnt just for women. men get spanked too. its about punishment for bad behavior. for both genders.
What if I like domestic discipline but I am an atheist and only do it with women who consent? Are you ok with that? Your view that it is unhealthy is silly. endorphins are real and enjoyable, as is submission.....there are lots of men who like to be the bottom in DD.
Women need and want to be dominated in and out of the bedroom. Women will test your manhood from time to time like trying to ware the boxers and it's the man job to strip the boxers off her and make her pull on some see threw lace pink panties.
@cooptae21 Guys that hit women are pussies in front of other men. How do i know it? My father in law has hit his wife twice (that i know of), but never dared touch his daughter after i started dating her. Men on my family are all crazy asses, but never hurt any women. I didn't fall far from the tree. I'll say, It's satisfying as hell when these coward women beaters get confronted by REAL men.
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I don't like Feminists who make hate speeches cutting down Christian or Muslim women in America for not seeing Feminist lives of providing Monica Lewinski service to rich male Democrats who con you into killing your babies so they won't have to pay child support when they dump you for younger prostitutes as the only meaningful sort of a life for women to lead. Madonna makes vastly more money than you do lets note.
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Hate speeches against Christians by anti-Christian religious bigots by the way is a lot of bullshit since you feminists are the idiots who turned the 5% unemployment we had when Bush had a Republican Congress in 2005 into double digit unemployment after Pelosi took over Congress and want Christians to pay more taxes since the bankers don't want to let you put all your bills to them on future generations you want Planned Parenthood killing off six million of every four year Presidential term.
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There's a lot of adults of both genders who want to be treated like children and have other people running their lives or there would be no Democrats looking for a Marxist welfare state to micromanage their lives obviously. It's the same thing essentially but at a safer scale since you can't call the cops and have a Socialist dictatorship you live in arrested for abusing you. Pain and humilation is a part of your life too in other forms.
CDD is simply people disguising their violent fetishes under the banner of Christianity. It's disgusting. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a husband should abuse his wife. And also in a more practical sense, what if a child discovers that that their father spanks their mother when she is 'naughty'? That's hardly a healthy environment to grow up in. They would see their mother as simply another child, not a parent.
Thanks, Angie, for letting those darn Christian DD whack-jobs know they're doing it all wrong. Also, thanks for setting the rest of us Christians straight about how wrong and hateful Christianity is in general. All this confusion about the meaning of life and there you are on YouTube with all the answers. What a treasure your judgements are for us ignorant believers. Thank goodness all that baggage you carry doesn't cloud your brilliant world view.
You mean top of the totem pole. The bottom has the most important. I personally think Christian Domestic Discipline is people being kinky and trying to hide it under the guise of religion.
Cdd is not about abuse or rape. Sorry Angie for the bad things that have happened to you in your life. But your take on Cdd is way off. I can understand why outsiders would see this as abuse. But I assure you it isn't. Most of Cdd is about empowering the men who society has degraded. It's not all about spanking. Most women I have spoken to in a Cdd lifestyle love it. Their men are much more attentive to them & their needs.
idiocy. I believe this "website" and it's associated content is a BDSM lifestyle site disguised as a christian driven ideology. This has JACK shit to do with physical abuse. I don't know what happened to you, whether you were abused whatever... Check your paranoia and phobia of abusive people at the door, and please try and approach other people, groups, societies, without your preconceived uninformed bias.
i am in a dd relationship...and couples have a safety word for when enough is enough...and real domestic relationship the punishment is only on the buttocks....it isnt abuse when it is a mutual agreement...real dd the husband and wife agree on the rules and punishments.
No but if a girl just automaticly things Imma beat her she obviously don't think very high of me and she doesn't show faith in me. Why should I have to put up with that just cuz im a guy?
@AngieAntiTheist i hear that, no real man, would spank his wife, or girlfriend, that is a sick, so sad, jeez, women are people not just objects for the love of pete
The CDD folks strike me as super-repressed Christians that really want to be kinksters but for whatever reason feel it is wrong so they have created a subset of their religion to enable themselves to fulfill their kink.
Submission is a very important issue in relation to marriage. Even before sin entered the world, there was still the principle of headship (1 Timothy 2:13). Adam was created first, and Eve was created to be a "helper" for Adam (Genesis 2:18-20).At the same time, since there was no sin, there was no authority for man to obey except God’s authority. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin entered the world, and then authority was needed.
@ninajosianne How was Eve capable of sinning? Why was she tempted? Oh, that's right. Eve's a fictional character who was set up by her wicked god to fall for a trap. I've never found that a compelling excuse for God's incompetence.
@ninajosianne A "helper"? Hahahahaha. What self serving bullshit. I truly feel for any woman that buys into this bullshit. How anyone can have such a low opinion of themselves is beyond me.
I feel that the pain you've gone through has hardened you to the love of god, But again i wan't you to know that God makes it very clear what is right and wrong. Maybe the men in your life have taken advantage of you, but God has placed them to cherish you, protect you and care for you. If they chose to abuse their positions God is not responsible for that.
Also, the man is to 'love his wife as his own body'. Do we see men self-spanking when they think they need some 'correction'? Nowhere in the Bible, Old or New Testament, do we see an example of a godly man 'disciplining' his wife. Nowhere. And yet there are plenty of passages that would call for it if it was indeed legitimate.
The problem with failing marriages is not that there's a lack of domestic discipline. The problem- couples don't love with biblical love, selfless and mutually giving.
I'm a Christian and have read the Bible, and in no way do I see this 'CDD' site as having anything to do with anything Biblical. It is a site that takes certain passages out of context and twists it around to make it seem like the Bible condones domestic discipline.
The Bible does say to train up your children in the way that they should go, but nowhere does it ever state to 'train your wife in the way she should go.' Paul also states that the husband is to 'give honor to his wife'.
Wow jaded much before you go judging relationships you know nothing about try doing a little more research before you butcher something that VERY HEALTHY normal people practice its not bdsm its not sm its a lifestyle that is CHOSEN. No one complains about your god hating man hating rants the world is truly sorry yhat you married an abusive man get some therapy and stop polluting us with your useless drivel
@cpchevi Ahem, BDSM is a lifestyle entered into by choice, much like your CDD. The difference is people in the BDSM community have safety precautions built in, like safe words. From what I could find, CDD does not & in fact advises against listening to a woman who says "Stop that." (Source:The particular site I mention in this video.)
I don't hate men. That's just a nutty concept. I love my boyfriend. I love my son. I just don't think they should be free to abuse b/c of religion.
I'm not religious in the slightest, but as a person that shares this fetish, and has seen the sight, I can vouch that it is totally just an erotic lifestyle site, the whole authority overtone is just there as an excuse to carry it out, I mean your trying to reason with a concept that was picked just as an excuse to satisfy a sexual fetish not because of its logical integrity.
I am a born-again Christian man and I abhor domestic violence in all its forms. This 'Christian Domestic Discipline' is heresy. Gods not a misogynist. He LOVES women!! It is Satan who hates women because they reflect the beauty of God. Sex trafficking, domestic abuse, self-harm, bulimia are result of Satans work. After instigating such things it is no surprise that he should then blame it on God and twist the scriptures to do so. Properly read St Paul was a great advocate of women's rights.
Male leadership/headship is about husbands lovingly taking initiative in a relationship, nothing more. Any controlling behaviour or dominance is wrong. Husbands are ordered to love their lives and guys who sleep with prostitutes are condemned because they have abused a vulnerable person.
Men of God are joining forces with feminists in tackling domestic abuse and sex trafficking. God has brought me to tears in response to how He feels about the sex industry. Women are made in His image.
@SpiritFlux I'm glad you abhor violence, respect women, etc. - I think that's great. But saying Paul was an advocate of women's rights! Ha! What part of not permitting a woman to SPEAK in church is great advocacy?
St Paul words can't be an absolute ban on women speaking in church because in other scriptures he instructs them on how to prophesy in church meetings. He merely forbids women from speaking during the sermon because it caused disruption.
Let me explain: in the early church women were usually less well educated on religious matters. Therefore during the sermon women would tend to have more questions and would start asking each other what certain things mean. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it. It is equally wrong for men to talk during the sermon, but this was less common due to them having better prior education.
@AngieAntiTheist Let me explain: in the early church women were usually less well educated on religious matters. Therefore during the sermon women would tend to have more questions and would start asking each other what certain things mean. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it. It is equally wrong for men to talk during the sermon, but this was less common due to them having better prior education.
@SpiritFlux I'll give you this: I've never heard this explanation before.
Now, I don't happen to think it overrides Paul's generally misogynistic tone (which I'll grant you, was probably culturally relevant even if detestable.) I'll never believe the Bible isn't woman-hating but of course many Christians are not. Does this response satisfy you?
It doesnt satisfy me, but I can respect you for it. The whole 'God hates women' is in my view a very clever a smear campaign from Satan, who is the very source of woman hatred. Some Pentecostals call this the Spirit of Misogyny. My Christian faith has inspired me to start a mens campaign to stop violence against women.
@SpiritFlux Well, if it is a smear campaign by Satan, he did a good job of getting it into the Bible. (It's not like you're required to spend a week in a tent because your body so obviously disgusts the god who supposedly designed it.)
@SpiritFlux Personally, I'd be more likely to attribute your obvious good character and nature to your actions, rather than your faith, but that's a personal bias. :)
That verse is often taken out of context. It doesnt ban women from preaching, but merely from talking during the sermon. Because women in the early church knew less about religious matters than men (due to a lack of education) they would have more questions about the content of a sermon. Therefore some women would disrupt the sermon by asking each other what something meant. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it.
So a disgusting perversion like s & m is ok but a but a lifestyle based on incredibly strong trust and morals which is actually proven to strengthen relationships isn't? I think your ex was right. You do have a skewed perception of reality. It's no surprise you don't believe in God. You're ego is far too big to accept any type of humility. You are the emodiment of what's wrong with modern women. People like you are why America is failing.
@BRobb82 S&M advocates would describe it as "a lifestyle based on incredibly strong trust" ya know. Why is the removal of leather somehow moral?
I have a big ego because I don't want to get smacked around? Me not wanting to be abused is what's making America fall? Well then America was based on a rather shitty foundation, wasn't it?
Oh and completely understand what you said in one of your other videos about having fears you cant get out of your mind. this human archetype is frail
@MyVoicenotSilenced Yes, I was raised with matriarchy, wrapped in a patriarchy wrapper called Christianity! Very confusing, conflicting messages. And I agree, very often people want to lead not because they care about those who follow them, but because power and money come with a shitload of perks (think the richest Congress in US history refusing to continue unemployment benefits for American citizens.)
@MyVoicenotSilenced You'd probably really like the No Longer Quivering blog community, ex-submissive women :) It's a mixture of Christians and atheists but they all hate patriarchy.
@MyVoicenotSilenced I grew up with a lot of domestic violence (in my case perpetrated by a little old lady, who people never seemed to suspect of torture.) Sorry your mom didn't stick up for you!
@MyVoicenotSilenced I think you're right. I think power-imbalance situations lend themselves to abuses of power. As for Fred Phelps, yes he shaved his wife's head in punishment, because they actually believe her hair being cut that once might keep her out of heaven. So not only is he power tripping on earth, he's trying to threaten his wife's salvation. Asshole of the highest degree.
Angie the anti theist??? Are you the devil?? Do you know what your nick means??? Angie the anti-God! I am too afraid to even pray for you. You are lost lady.. Please see a priest ASAP. You need an exhorcist
@pjmarchessault Do YOU know what my nickname means? Anti-theist means "anti-god belief" meaning I think theism, belief in god/s, is detrimental to people.
As for exorcism, well, there's no evidence that demons exist, or that they can take us over, OR that a priest saying magic words gets rid of them. Exorcism = rain dance = voodoo = prayer = all other mythic non-working bullshit.
@Lucsiferu I don't think so. If he was just joking around, he used the blueprint of many genuine believers. (If you believe in demon possession, you'll see it all around you. Confirmation bias all the way.)
Beautiful lady... one day you will have to meet your maker!... Feminism might rule on earth right now but when your maker judges you and your sisters, it will be too late..
What are you saying that Paul is a woman hating man? Hello! What about your beam in your own eye??? Aren't feminist bashing men??? You are so pathetic!
@pjmarchessault Feminism does not rule on earth. We still haven't passed paycheck fairness legislation with teeth in it. Women in sales/retail make less than their male counterparts, thanks to feminism (equality) NOT being in charge. Sadly Christian patriarchy and woman-hating is, but I'll do whatever I can to correct that.
I love men. My boyfriend is a man. My son will be a man. Patriarchy is bad for all people, including men.
I think she's right about so much and she has every right in the world to be angry at Bible believers and anyone else who thinks that by some divine law, women must submit to men.
I would love to see the day when all women can stand up for themselves like this and not let anyone say "But you're just a woman". I would love to see muslim women reject the religious laws that place them far below men.
Its not fucking domestic violence. And its certainly not anyones business other than the couple consenting to it. So shut your face, your voice is annoying.
@hkland1 The purpose of this video was to express concerns about the failure to distinguish between behaviors which are consented (and therefore not domestic violence) and behaviors which are not consented. It was the "non-consensual consent" page and the descriptions and tones used regarding women that led me to be CONCERNED this specific site may lead to domestic violence.
Your attack on my voice does not help your case at all. It's just petty and weird.
people, these are people that are purly spankophiles. but because their christians, any kind of sexual activity that is off the beaten path (lol) is considered to be a perverted activity. So they hide behind gods skirts in order to justify their spanking kinks so they can feel better. But it's nothing more then kinky sex
what a load af shit...In my experience it is allmost allways the woman who request dd...and it is not a christian thing it is a desire for lot of women...for instance my best friend who is an atheist dumped his girlfriend because she requested him to beat her and he find it disgusting...and not only spank but beat her, punch her in the face or in the belly, beat her with the belt over her back and butt...this is fantasy for lot of women so if it's consensual stop babbling this feminist trash...
@doczg88 Feminist trash? Your strawman attempts are obviously sincere, but failing. I specifically delineated between consensual and non-consensual forms of contact. My words of warning were directed at those receiving unwanted hitting, and the concerns I expressed about this specific site were regarding the lack of safe words and other trust measures found in healthy bdsm relationships.
Wow, ever research the stuff you decide to babble about? The women who live this life certainly research it. Knowing a lot about a little leaves you looking stupid. Try to focus on knowing alot about it little if you want to look smart enough to speak about things.
this is real and they have a delusional idea that its wat women need and want now i may want this cuz im a spanko but i wouldnt want it forced upon me but they do say its consensual and most of the time its the wifes idea go figure
also the bible isnt a book very much about authority...it doesnt say "YOU MUST RESPECT THESE GOD LOVING PEOPLE"..it says to respect those in authority..and give them honor and respect..but also those in authority are responsible to treat those they have "power" over with the same honor, kindness, justice, fairness and respect. You cant just take one saying out of the good book then critize it way out of proportion...The bible is a book about Love, Knowledge, and Salvation-and hot to obtain them
@Platopriest All of which is clearly your opinion, and mine is clearly different. I see the book as being the story of a bumbling vengeful petty and narcissistic god creating playthings and then destroying them in floods, fires or freak salt-pillar accidents anytime they don't please him. Nailing his kid to a cross doesn't make him LOVING. It makes him sociopathic.
@AngieAntiTheist lol God Loves You. If you ever want to have chats about anything i can send you my info and we can talk about stuff related to God and all
It seems that you are only picking versus out of the bible and using what you want how you want. I dont mean to insult you or insult your intelligence but there were slaves or servants in times that the bible existed, a servant to a family, a servant to a tradesman, a midwife, etc..and it calls for them to be respecting and to honor their providers and the bible isnt Woman hating at all..if you look at the end of proverbs it gives great respect and honor to a hard working, good, loving woman..
Domestic Discipline is an agreement between a couple about how to handle things. It's not one or the other deciding one day just to spank the other because they can. The wife might have reasons she believes that it could do her good. She could have issues that need to be dealt with or behaviors she wants to be accounted for. A good DD relationship includes an agreement as to why spanking is used and how otherwise it's abuse and wrong.
@Dizzybear Does HE ever ever ever have 'issues" that need to be dealt with by smacking him across the ass cheeks, or does this only help "discipline" women?
@Dizzybear Its a major issue that even exsist, and even sick that its used in homes. If you give someone power there is atleast a 60% chance that they will abuse it. And as you said, this is wrong.
@ryobies true cdd is agreed upon not just decided and those true to it sign an agreement that neither can break. there are some that give full trust to the hoh but that's wrong.
I also wanted to say that I am sorry for your abusive marriage. I know that it must have been a hard thing to go through, but I think that these women have a different mindset than you.
To them, this is no different than spanking their child. Why? Because christian marriage is not based on an egalitarian partnership and the bible doesn't describe it as such; however people try to make it as though they are meant to be equals. The command to wives is to submit to their husbands authority just like kids are commanded to obey their parents. Would I enter into a CDD marriage? No, but do some research before throwing the word abuse around.
Thanks for remembering those of us in the BDSM community. I get so tired of having to point out that consenting adults are different from spousal/roommate/whatever abusive relationships. BDSM folk are not abusers.
Yes, technically there are laws; battery, assault, rape that we are "guilty" of. (Jeez, did I end a sentence with a preposition? Yikes!) OTOH, the law is a funny thing. I've been paid to do what is technically illegal in front of video cameras, on both sides of the whip.
To people who think husband spanking wife is cool, pray tell me why can't she spank him if he displeases her? Why is he in any way qualified to 'guide' her? What if she is better qualified to 'guide' him in certain situations? She is to trust him but doesn't spanking her mean that he does not trust her?
I know you have had some bad past, but I think you aren't really understanding the real point. Wake up. Praise God! He's word's are the truth. His words are the way of life. Jesus loves you. He wants you to love him. He sure loves you a lot. He's the way of life.......
@lahainke Produce evidence for your claims please. God exist, loves me, blah blah blah blah blah. Jesus is a myth, like Horus or Mithras or Demeter & Persephone. And even if a historical Jesus or Yeshua once lived, that guy is long long long long dead.
Christian Domestic Discipline, this sounds like a beautiful thing. Periodically, the wife does need to be "Put in check" because at times, wives do tend to get out of line. So, instead of treating this as something that is disturbing, you should be praising Christians for this. Both groups of adults are consenting, the man who is the head of the family and the woman who knows that she needs his guidance, so all is well. Congratulate Christians for this, instead of tearing them down!
@AngieAntiTheist How can this be considered bigoted, and how is he denying her self worth? First, the man loves his wife, which is why she trusts that he has her best interests in mind should he have to discipline her. But, being more than just discipline, this shows that the wife trusts the guidance she is receiving from her husband, a trust that comes from their love for each other. It's from this trust that she grows personally. So, denial of self worth? Not hardly!
@jankileo The fact that the MAN has "authority" to "discipline" his wife, yet she does not have that same authority is how this can be considered bigoted. And as a survivor of domestic violence, this sounds like nothing but pretty words put over ugly bruises.
@AngieAntiTheist You are not listening to me! The "authority" that the man has over his wife has been given to him by his wife because she trusts him. This is in no way bigoted. Maybe it's because you were at on time abused (sorry that happened to you) that you are failing to make the connection here. Again, CDD is more then just the man disciplining the woman, it's about the love that they have for each other. From this love, a trust is developed. This trust is what CDD is all about!
@jankileo I'm not *believing* you, there's a difference. You are free to have that lifestyle. I am free to say I don't like it, and why. You aren't going to persuade me that misogyny and hitting are part of love, okay? (And no, I wasn't physically abused in my relationship. I got that at home from my parents like most Christians.)
@AngieAntiTheist Again, you're not listening! And, I am sorry your parents abused you. It's rather appalling to hear of parents doing that to their children. Still, it's been interesting dealing with you over this topic. I wish you the best!
(Continued) Seriously, what's this bad relationship shit all about anyway? If you're a woman and all you can do is bitch at your man all day and bust his fuckin' balls constantly, or if you're a man and you're with a woman who you just want to smack around all the time...well what the fuck are you doing together anyway? I have no sympathy for people who choose such fucked up people as lovers and then maintain those shit relationships like that and then go telling stupid sob stories about it.
Beating a kid is a hell of a lot worse than hitting a woman. Indeed, I have very little sympathy for battered woman. My experience is that when women get smacked around they've usually provoked it. I've never hit a woman myself, but then I've never had a relationship that lasted more than six months. My last girlfriend talked about how her ex abused her. Well, in retrospect, I'd have probably gotten abusive too if I'd stayed with her much longer. But I'm not into maintaining crap relationships.
@scruethedemiurge Wow, I have no difficulty at all believing you've never had a long-term relationship! I hope you get help."Smacking a woman around" isn't okay, and it isn't justifiable so get that idea outta your heads right now.
Dude, I think you need some serious mental help. Putting your hands on anyone for any reason other than self defence his fucking wrong. Would you beat or hit your kid (like you'll ever have any) because they did something that pissed you off? Probably not, you must have some serious mommy issues. I would hope someone would batter you but then again, I wouldn't want someone to dirty their hands because they touched your filthy abusive ass. You wouldn't deserve sympathy anyway.
The Bible tells husbands to love their wives as their own bodies. I obey my husband because I love him, and he loves me very much. I think CDD is really great for our marriage. Who gets to decide that CDD is "unhealthy"? "Non-consentual consent" isnt what your saying it is. I would like to talk to you about it, to see it from our point of veiw.
@AngieAntiTheist I've done a recorder skype chat, so I dont know how to do it. I have skype, so if you know how to record then that would be fine. If we did that, just PM letting me know what your major questions/concerns are. I'll be speaking as someone who practices CDD (and has past experience in BDSM), but I cant speak for everyone who practices CDD. Let me know when your available.
Hey Angie, I would be interested to know how you feel about my observations regarding the high prevalence of women self reporting such high rates of sexual rape fantasies. It is apparently a very powerful sexual fantasy for many women, yet the reasoning behind it is not entirely clear to me.
I am thinking that it is filling some unfulfilled subconscious need that the woman has to feel submissive to a dominant man, but the evidence is not entirely clear as to why those women find it so erotic.
Lets be clear in this. We are talking about Fantasy, not reality. In real life, women do not desire to be raped, but in the dream world apparently very many use that fantasy to get off, and that astounds me. It speaks to a duality of mind, a conflict wherein the woman holds two opposing views of her desires.
Why in her fantasies do many women choose to be raped. She could if she wanted, easily escape the brute, or kill her attacker, but no she gets off on the fantasy Rape. Why so??
@unserviam First, I'm not sure how prevalent it really is. Second, it's hardly surprising when our media, women's erotic lit, etc. go with the fight-fuck fantasy and damsel-in-distress fantasies so heavily, combining eroticism with violence against women. Personally I don't identify with rape fantasies at all; then again I've been raped and there's nothing fantastic about it.
@Kailys3 The mistreatment of women in the Abrahamic religions is reprehensible, and it is regrettable that more women don't recognize that fact and turn away from religion expressly because of it.
Similarly for Afro-Americans. The majority of blacks in America today are descended from slave-stock, and the Bible for instance gives instructions on the purchasing and use of slaves, yet instead of leaving a religion which treats them as property, many Blacks seem overly enthralled by it. Weird!
@1RadicalOne Mental illness is pretty common, so of course I appear "normal" lol. I have severe agoraphobia, PTSD, depression, anxiety, OCD, etc. I'm great online but offline life is harder to deal with.
@AngieAntiTheist It is possible to be both "crazy" but still be 'right 'as well. I am curious to know if you suffered from the same, less, none or more mental conditions back in those days than you do now, and whether or not you think your mental difficulties had any deleterious effect on that relationship or do you consider everything to have been the fault of your partner?
It may have been all his fault, but in your altered state, you may have assigned some unwarranted blame to yourself!
@unserviam Oh it was definitely his fault. I was duped & religious & not treating myself well at all, but I wasn't wrong about him being a bad person to be married to (or in the same room with.)
@AngieAntiTheist I am glad to hear that unfortunate part of you life is now in the past. Given your stormy past relationship, it is my hope that you have a fair wind at your back and clear sailing for the remainder of your journey.
I wonder if that experience has given you incentive to choose a more compatible life-partner, who can better tolerate your multiple mental disorders, or has it put you off completely so that you now go solo? This is none of my business, but I have taken an interest.
@AngieAntiTheist I think Marriage is an outmoded concept in the modern era, and it should be avoided. It is an institution of ownership, not wholly unlike the formalized transfer of real property. Females belonging to their fathers, having their ownership transferred to a new owner, and having that transaction witnessed, signed off on, and stamped as a valid bargain by a magistrate, or some other person authorized to oversee such transactions.
It is a barbaric practice and should be abandoned!
@1RadicalOne Surely you can understand how it would be possible for some of those conditions of the mind to to singularly or in combination impair someone's normal brain function. She says she has an array of psychological problems, so it is reasonable to postulate that it has some effect on her perception of the world around her. It must have a distorting effect upon her ability to evaluate things as they really are.
She thinks well as it is, so just imagine if she was not mentally unwell!
Except depression and agoraphobia are not in the same "class" as Alzheimer's, Schizophrenia, and so on; while the latter truly do shred all sense of reality, the former are largely emotional, not logical. Ergo, they are rather unlikely to affect a person's ability to reason (in terms of accuracy), though focus may be more difficult.
Not being a neuroscientist nor a psychologist, I am far from an expert, so my word is not Gospel.
The beautiful thing about Angie; is that apart from the possibility of a one-night-stand; no man would wish to try and negotiate a longer term relationship with Her
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In many respects, you are right, your perspective coming from free thought, insofar as it is actually free from dogma, superstition or prejudice. But then, you misconceive of "religion", which makes you prejudiced, denying its authentic roots in the human psyche. When you say,"The Bible", you are talking about the Old Testament, of which the New Testament is a profound departure; the so-called God of Wrath no longer present, nor the need to submit to authority, and that is a concept of freedom.
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The difference in abuse and bdsm is one is done in love and the other is to brake someone at their very core. Fact, not everyone agrees with the bdsm lifestyle, but to conpare it to something as to show it in a negative light is just wrong. I for one like for a man to be a man, now does that mean that I want him to "go upside my head" when he's had a bad day, of if he's had too much to drink absolutely not. I want a man that can take charge of a situation, and also allow me to feel free by comp
ba8ygir1 2 weeks ago
I understand where your going with what you are saying, however the bible does say for a man to love his wife as Christ loved the church (Eph 5:25)... And the fact that Christ died for the church that sorta does without saying that you wouldn't dye for something or someone that you didn't hold dear to your heart ( so abuse is pretty much thrown out) and as for the exact quote spare the rod, spare the child, your right that not what it says. Proverbs 13:24 states whoever spares the rod hates the
ba8ygir1 2 weeks ago
Of course... I'm realistically not under any illusions that will occur...
rnanni79 1 month ago
@BRobb82 - Well said. I agree on each one of your points. I think this is also the reason that the Internet, like a gun, needs to be protected from children and those without the ability to spot blatant incompetence on such topics involved in this classic example of amateur journal'isn'ti'm.
rnanni79 1 month ago
@haveown25 dude everyone knows you just want to get people worked up, nobody wil fall for that
gorillas400 1 month ago
I think wife spanking should be legal!!!! And this woman knows nothing about the Bible!!! Women had there chance and every one knows what happen with eve in the garden!! So if a man see fit that his woman needs a spanking then go for it !!! It been long over due and what the hell do rape got to do with spanking!!!
haveown25 2 months ago
Woman's lib gave us the right to choose.I choose to be in a CDD. I am happy. I am 49 years old,not some young thing with rose tinted glasses. I entered this knowing the boundries and expectaions and consequences too. It's not for you,fine.Just because you don't like it,doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just different. It fulfills my need to submit and His to dominate. I could not respect or love a weak man.
Hisrainbow49 2 months ago
CDD leads to true happiness. No man wants to deal with some uppity shrew that bosses him around and emasculates him. If a woman gets out of line it is her husband's God given DUTY to correct her by spanking her.
God bless you all.
LettersOfCentinel76 3 months ago
u killed ur own baby...shut the fuck up.
Keenanville09 3 months ago
@Keenanville09 she had a medically necessary LIFESAVING very early pregnancy termination.
bandpromolady 3 months ago
The problem, Angie, is not the domestic discipline; it's the fact that you're not dating a real man. Your current boyfriend is too boring. He's too nice. He does everything you want. That gets old fast.
In contrast, your ex-husband was a real man. He provides the disclipine, imbalance, and drama you need in your life. I sense that you secretly yearn for a man similar to your ex-husband to waltz into your life to rescue you from boredom.
I hope you find & marry a real man like your ex-husband.
MontereySands 4 months ago
A man has to keep his woman in line. If spanking and other forms of punishment are necessary to ensure compliance, then so be it.
Women are like little children always trying to push your buttons. It is your job as a man to show them their place.
Women MUST obey men. If they don't, then men must make their women obey.
MontereySands 4 months ago
I agree with you, this is very silly... why a woman has to be submissive ??? Marriage is a work team, equaly, I would never ever will accept to be the one who should be spanked (DOMESTIC DISCIPLINE), is extremelly stupid. If this is a role play and want to be in, is your right but be spanked just because is your husband or is the guy. Is bollony for me.
Canadianhere 5 months ago
yeah ummmmmm domestic discpiline isnt abuse. it isnt about hurting. and it isnt just for women. men get spanked too. its about punishment for bad behavior. for both genders.
jstar856 5 months ago
What if I like domestic discipline but I am an atheist and only do it with women who consent? Are you ok with that? Your view that it is unhealthy is silly. endorphins are real and enjoyable, as is submission.....there are lots of men who like to be the bottom in DD.
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ernanisf 5 months ago
Women need and want to be dominated in and out of the bedroom. Women will test your manhood from time to time like trying to ware the boxers and it's the man job to strip the boxers off her and make her pull on some see threw lace pink panties.
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@cooptae21 Guys that hit women are pussies in front of other men. How do i know it? My father in law has hit his wife twice (that i know of), but never dared touch his daughter after i started dating her. Men on my family are all crazy asses, but never hurt any women. I didn't fall far from the tree. I'll say, It's satisfying as hell when these coward women beaters get confronted by REAL men.
ernanisf 5 months ago
I get my ass tore up
jennieisamazin 6 months ago
ALL women need spanking !!
spanker30 6 months ago
i know a lot of fundie men who could benefit from a long, intense spanking...
mikebott 6 months ago
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Sorry. That was rude. My wife may have cancer. We've been married over 24 years. I needed somebody to vent on in cyberspace,
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
@Texasjim2007
I do hope your wife is well or will be well in the future.
Also, before you go venting about politics, I suggest you do a bit more research.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@Texasjim2007 You still have no right to say that. Sorry for your wife, but come on, how old are you?
:/
I find that excuse very weak.
Bryturr 7 months ago
@Texasjim2007: I'm sorry to hear about your wife Jim........but couldn't you have tried to vent in a more constructive manner, though?
JohnnyDart76 4 months ago
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I don't like Feminists who make hate speeches cutting down Christian or Muslim women in America for not seeing Feminist lives of providing Monica Lewinski service to rich male Democrats who con you into killing your babies so they won't have to pay child support when they dump you for younger prostitutes as the only meaningful sort of a life for women to lead. Madonna makes vastly more money than you do lets note.
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
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Hate speeches against Christians by anti-Christian religious bigots by the way is a lot of bullshit since you feminists are the idiots who turned the 5% unemployment we had when Bush had a Republican Congress in 2005 into double digit unemployment after Pelosi took over Congress and want Christians to pay more taxes since the bankers don't want to let you put all your bills to them on future generations you want Planned Parenthood killing off six million of every four year Presidential term.
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
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There's a lot of adults of both genders who want to be treated like children and have other people running their lives or there would be no Democrats looking for a Marxist welfare state to micromanage their lives obviously. It's the same thing essentially but at a safer scale since you can't call the cops and have a Socialist dictatorship you live in arrested for abusing you. Pain and humilation is a part of your life too in other forms.
Texasjim2007 7 months ago
CDD is simply people disguising their violent fetishes under the banner of Christianity. It's disgusting. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a husband should abuse his wife. And also in a more practical sense, what if a child discovers that that their father spanks their mother when she is 'naughty'? That's hardly a healthy environment to grow up in. They would see their mother as simply another child, not a parent.
jrm33lover 8 months ago
Thanks, Angie, for letting those darn Christian DD whack-jobs know they're doing it all wrong. Also, thanks for setting the rest of us Christians straight about how wrong and hateful Christianity is in general. All this confusion about the meaning of life and there you are on YouTube with all the answers. What a treasure your judgements are for us ignorant believers. Thank goodness all that baggage you carry doesn't cloud your brilliant world view.
mangyscavenger 8 months ago
spanking your partner is neither biblical, nor Christian
michaeleyeofthetiger 8 months ago
You mean top of the totem pole. The bottom has the most important. I personally think Christian Domestic Discipline is people being kinky and trying to hide it under the guise of religion.
malikai888 8 months ago
Cdd is not about abuse or rape. Sorry Angie for the bad things that have happened to you in your life. But your take on Cdd is way off. I can understand why outsiders would see this as abuse. But I assure you it isn't. Most of Cdd is about empowering the men who society has degraded. It's not all about spanking. Most women I have spoken to in a Cdd lifestyle love it. Their men are much more attentive to them & their needs.
kimberlyfamoso 9 months ago
idiocy. I believe this "website" and it's associated content is a BDSM lifestyle site disguised as a christian driven ideology. This has JACK shit to do with physical abuse. I don't know what happened to you, whether you were abused whatever... Check your paranoia and phobia of abusive people at the door, and please try and approach other people, groups, societies, without your preconceived uninformed bias.
Vroktar2009 9 months ago
that site is disturbing in so many ways. What the hell is with that 'Warmup" page.
Im impressed you could put into words your thoughts on that site. I dont even know where to begin with how wrong that all is.
grandprixnz 9 months ago
Go Angie; I love ya!
jerico641 9 months ago
your nose looks similar to that of a toucan's beak
ThaigerDon 9 months ago
i am in a dd relationship...and couples have a safety word for when enough is enough...and real domestic relationship the punishment is only on the buttocks....it isnt abuse when it is a mutual agreement...real dd the husband and wife agree on the rules and punishments.
remierez 10 months ago
No but if a girl just automaticly things Imma beat her she obviously don't think very high of me and she doesn't show faith in me. Why should I have to put up with that just cuz im a guy?
jacobfkarlsson 10 months ago
@juliewashere if you Said that 2 me just like that I would have left. Bitch
jacobfkarlsson 10 months ago
@jacobfkarlsson So... a woman who sticks up for herself and refuses to get decked in the face isn't the kind of girl for you, huh?
Here's hoping you have a LONG incarceration some day very soon.
AngieAntiTheist 10 months ago 8
@AngieAntiTheist i hear that, no real man, would spank his wife, or girlfriend, that is a sick, so sad, jeez, women are people not just objects for the love of pete
whedonfreak976 9 months ago
I told my boyfriend that if he ever hits me on purpose, even just once, I'm gone. Zero tolerance.
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fllooo 11 months ago
The CDD folks strike me as super-repressed Christians that really want to be kinksters but for whatever reason feel it is wrong so they have created a subset of their religion to enable themselves to fulfill their kink.
daala2 11 months ago
Submission is a very important issue in relation to marriage. Even before sin entered the world, there was still the principle of headship (1 Timothy 2:13). Adam was created first, and Eve was created to be a "helper" for Adam (Genesis 2:18-20).At the same time, since there was no sin, there was no authority for man to obey except God’s authority. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin entered the world, and then authority was needed.
ninajosianne 11 months ago
@ninajosianne How was Eve capable of sinning? Why was she tempted? Oh, that's right. Eve's a fictional character who was set up by her wicked god to fall for a trap. I've never found that a compelling excuse for God's incompetence.
AngieAntiTheist 11 months ago 9
@ninajosianne A "helper"? Hahahahaha. What self serving bullshit. I truly feel for any woman that buys into this bullshit. How anyone can have such a low opinion of themselves is beyond me.
BusinessMonkey126 8 months ago
I feel that the pain you've gone through has hardened you to the love of god, But again i wan't you to know that God makes it very clear what is right and wrong. Maybe the men in your life have taken advantage of you, but God has placed them to cherish you, protect you and care for you. If they chose to abuse their positions God is not responsible for that.
ninajosianne 11 months ago
Also, the man is to 'love his wife as his own body'. Do we see men self-spanking when they think they need some 'correction'? Nowhere in the Bible, Old or New Testament, do we see an example of a godly man 'disciplining' his wife. Nowhere. And yet there are plenty of passages that would call for it if it was indeed legitimate.
The problem with failing marriages is not that there's a lack of domestic discipline. The problem- couples don't love with biblical love, selfless and mutually giving.
animetay1 11 months ago
I'm a Christian and have read the Bible, and in no way do I see this 'CDD' site as having anything to do with anything Biblical. It is a site that takes certain passages out of context and twists it around to make it seem like the Bible condones domestic discipline.
The Bible does say to train up your children in the way that they should go, but nowhere does it ever state to 'train your wife in the way she should go.' Paul also states that the husband is to 'give honor to his wife'.
animetay1 11 months ago
Wow jaded much before you go judging relationships you know nothing about try doing a little more research before you butcher something that VERY HEALTHY normal people practice its not bdsm its not sm its a lifestyle that is CHOSEN. No one complains about your god hating man hating rants the world is truly sorry yhat you married an abusive man get some therapy and stop polluting us with your useless drivel
cpchevi 11 months ago
@cpchevi Ahem, BDSM is a lifestyle entered into by choice, much like your CDD. The difference is people in the BDSM community have safety precautions built in, like safe words. From what I could find, CDD does not & in fact advises against listening to a woman who says "Stop that." (Source:The particular site I mention in this video.)
I don't hate men. That's just a nutty concept. I love my boyfriend. I love my son. I just don't think they should be free to abuse b/c of religion.
AngieAntiTheist 11 months ago 4
I just came across this site, and I look up to you for your response on it.
StarCitron 11 months ago
I'm not religious in the slightest, but as a person that shares this fetish, and has seen the sight, I can vouch that it is totally just an erotic lifestyle site, the whole authority overtone is just there as an excuse to carry it out, I mean your trying to reason with a concept that was picked just as an excuse to satisfy a sexual fetish not because of its logical integrity.
helllspell 1 year ago 2
Men are better than women
delicatelilflower88 1 year ago
I am a born-again Christian man and I abhor domestic violence in all its forms. This 'Christian Domestic Discipline' is heresy. Gods not a misogynist. He LOVES women!! It is Satan who hates women because they reflect the beauty of God. Sex trafficking, domestic abuse, self-harm, bulimia are result of Satans work. After instigating such things it is no surprise that he should then blame it on God and twist the scriptures to do so. Properly read St Paul was a great advocate of women's rights.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
Male leadership/headship is about husbands lovingly taking initiative in a relationship, nothing more. Any controlling behaviour or dominance is wrong. Husbands are ordered to love their lives and guys who sleep with prostitutes are condemned because they have abused a vulnerable person.
Men of God are joining forces with feminists in tackling domestic abuse and sex trafficking. God has brought me to tears in response to how He feels about the sex industry. Women are made in His image.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
@SpiritFlux I'm glad you abhor violence, respect women, etc. - I think that's great. But saying Paul was an advocate of women's rights! Ha! What part of not permitting a woman to SPEAK in church is great advocacy?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
Its all about understanding the context.
St Paul words can't be an absolute ban on women speaking in church because in other scriptures he instructs them on how to prophesy in church meetings. He merely forbids women from speaking during the sermon because it caused disruption.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
@SpiritFlux As opposed to when men speak during the sermon and it doesn't cause a disruption?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Let me explain: in the early church women were usually less well educated on religious matters. Therefore during the sermon women would tend to have more questions and would start asking each other what certain things mean. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it. It is equally wrong for men to talk during the sermon, but this was less common due to them having better prior education.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist Let me explain: in the early church women were usually less well educated on religious matters. Therefore during the sermon women would tend to have more questions and would start asking each other what certain things mean. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it. It is equally wrong for men to talk during the sermon, but this was less common due to them having better prior education.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
@SpiritFlux I'll give you this: I've never heard this explanation before.
Now, I don't happen to think it overrides Paul's generally misogynistic tone (which I'll grant you, was probably culturally relevant even if detestable.) I'll never believe the Bible isn't woman-hating but of course many Christians are not. Does this response satisfy you?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
It doesnt satisfy me, but I can respect you for it. The whole 'God hates women' is in my view a very clever a smear campaign from Satan, who is the very source of woman hatred. Some Pentecostals call this the Spirit of Misogyny. My Christian faith has inspired me to start a mens campaign to stop violence against women.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
@SpiritFlux Well, if it is a smear campaign by Satan, he did a good job of getting it into the Bible. (It's not like you're required to spend a week in a tent because your body so obviously disgusts the god who supposedly designed it.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@SpiritFlux Personally, I'd be more likely to attribute your obvious good character and nature to your actions, rather than your faith, but that's a personal bias. :)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
That verse is often taken out of context. It doesnt ban women from preaching, but merely from talking during the sermon. Because women in the early church knew less about religious matters than men (due to a lack of education) they would have more questions about the content of a sermon. Therefore some women would disrupt the sermon by asking each other what something meant. Having conversations whilst the preacher is speaking was very disruptive and so Paul spoke against it.
SpiritFlux 1 year ago
So a disgusting perversion like s & m is ok but a but a lifestyle based on incredibly strong trust and morals which is actually proven to strengthen relationships isn't? I think your ex was right. You do have a skewed perception of reality. It's no surprise you don't believe in God. You're ego is far too big to accept any type of humility. You are the emodiment of what's wrong with modern women. People like you are why America is failing.
BRobb82 1 year ago
@BRobb82 S&M advocates would describe it as "a lifestyle based on incredibly strong trust" ya know. Why is the removal of leather somehow moral?
I have a big ego because I don't want to get smacked around? Me not wanting to be abused is what's making America fall? Well then America was based on a rather shitty foundation, wasn't it?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
How is a woman's submission hate toward her? You don't make any sense stupid.
fropa98 1 year ago
Oh and completely understand what you said in one of your other videos about having fears you cant get out of your mind. this human archetype is frail
Lucsiferu 1 year ago
@MyVoicenotSilenced Yes, I was raised with matriarchy, wrapped in a patriarchy wrapper called Christianity! Very confusing, conflicting messages. And I agree, very often people want to lead not because they care about those who follow them, but because power and money come with a shitload of perks (think the richest Congress in US history refusing to continue unemployment benefits for American citizens.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@MyVoicenotSilenced You'd probably really like the No Longer Quivering blog community, ex-submissive women :) It's a mixture of Christians and atheists but they all hate patriarchy.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@MyVoicenotSilenced I grew up with a lot of domestic violence (in my case perpetrated by a little old lady, who people never seemed to suspect of torture.) Sorry your mom didn't stick up for you!
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@MyVoicenotSilenced I think you're right. I think power-imbalance situations lend themselves to abuses of power. As for Fred Phelps, yes he shaved his wife's head in punishment, because they actually believe her hair being cut that once might keep her out of heaven. So not only is he power tripping on earth, he's trying to threaten his wife's salvation. Asshole of the highest degree.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Angie the anti theist??? Are you the devil?? Do you know what your nick means??? Angie the anti-God! I am too afraid to even pray for you. You are lost lady.. Please see a priest ASAP. You need an exhorcist
pjmarchessault 1 year ago
@pjmarchessault Do YOU know what my nickname means? Anti-theist means "anti-god belief" meaning I think theism, belief in god/s, is detrimental to people.
As for exorcism, well, there's no evidence that demons exist, or that they can take us over, OR that a priest saying magic words gets rid of them. Exorcism = rain dance = voodoo = prayer = all other mythic non-working bullshit.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist unfortunately you fell victim to that troll
Lucsiferu 1 year ago
@Lucsiferu Victim?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist you took him seriously. I think he was trolling, in other words he was joking around to piss you off
Lucsiferu 1 year ago
@Lucsiferu I don't think so. If he was just joking around, he used the blueprint of many genuine believers. (If you believe in demon possession, you'll see it all around you. Confirmation bias all the way.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist yeah. he could be legit but he could also be an atheist making fun of religious people's logic
Lucsiferu 1 year ago
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pjmarchessault 1 year ago
Beautiful lady... one day you will have to meet your maker!... Feminism might rule on earth right now but when your maker judges you and your sisters, it will be too late..
What are you saying that Paul is a woman hating man? Hello! What about your beam in your own eye??? Aren't feminist bashing men??? You are so pathetic!
pjmarchessault 1 year ago
@pjmarchessault Feminism does not rule on earth. We still haven't passed paycheck fairness legislation with teeth in it. Women in sales/retail make less than their male counterparts, thanks to feminism (equality) NOT being in charge. Sadly Christian patriarchy and woman-hating is, but I'll do whatever I can to correct that.
I love men. My boyfriend is a man. My son will be a man. Patriarchy is bad for all people, including men.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Oh for God's sake stop talking.
whatisitfawlty 1 year ago
I love this woman.
I think she's right about so much and she has every right in the world to be angry at Bible believers and anyone else who thinks that by some divine law, women must submit to men.
I would love to see the day when all women can stand up for themselves like this and not let anyone say "But you're just a woman". I would love to see muslim women reject the religious laws that place them far below men.
Keep going Angie, don't ever give it up!
AndrewNewZealand 1 year ago 12
@AndrewNewZealand You are a drip!
whatisitfawlty 1 year ago
Its not fucking domestic violence. And its certainly not anyones business other than the couple consenting to it. So shut your face, your voice is annoying.
hkland1 1 year ago
@hkland1 The purpose of this video was to express concerns about the failure to distinguish between behaviors which are consented (and therefore not domestic violence) and behaviors which are not consented. It was the "non-consensual consent" page and the descriptions and tones used regarding women that led me to be CONCERNED this specific site may lead to domestic violence.
Your attack on my voice does not help your case at all. It's just petty and weird.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
haha... i love you!
lovedrreid1 1 year ago
people, these are people that are purly spankophiles. but because their christians, any kind of sexual activity that is off the beaten path (lol) is considered to be a perverted activity. So they hide behind gods skirts in order to justify their spanking kinks so they can feel better. But it's nothing more then kinky sex
JohnMichael52 1 year ago
what a load af shit...In my experience it is allmost allways the woman who request dd...and it is not a christian thing it is a desire for lot of women...for instance my best friend who is an atheist dumped his girlfriend because she requested him to beat her and he find it disgusting...and not only spank but beat her, punch her in the face or in the belly, beat her with the belt over her back and butt...this is fantasy for lot of women so if it's consensual stop babbling this feminist trash...
doczg88 1 year ago
@doczg88 Feminist trash? Your strawman attempts are obviously sincere, but failing. I specifically delineated between consensual and non-consensual forms of contact. My words of warning were directed at those receiving unwanted hitting, and the concerns I expressed about this specific site were regarding the lack of safe words and other trust measures found in healthy bdsm relationships.
FAIL.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist you really have napoleonessa complex...i don't wanna waste my time...take care :)
doczg88 1 year ago
Wow, ever research the stuff you decide to babble about? The women who live this life certainly research it. Knowing a lot about a little leaves you looking stupid. Try to focus on knowing alot about it little if you want to look smart enough to speak about things.
Jean77f 1 year ago
this is real and they have a delusional idea that its wat women need and want now i may want this cuz im a spanko but i wouldnt want it forced upon me but they do say its consensual and most of the time its the wifes idea go figure
Godlim17 1 year ago
spanking rules.cmon it lets otherwise conservative christians get extra big hard ons and wet pants,its most definetely healthy.
sparticaldidit 1 year ago
also the bible isnt a book very much about authority...it doesnt say "YOU MUST RESPECT THESE GOD LOVING PEOPLE"..it says to respect those in authority..and give them honor and respect..but also those in authority are responsible to treat those they have "power" over with the same honor, kindness, justice, fairness and respect. You cant just take one saying out of the good book then critize it way out of proportion...The bible is a book about Love, Knowledge, and Salvation-and hot to obtain them
Platopriest 1 year ago
@Platopriest All of which is clearly your opinion, and mine is clearly different. I see the book as being the story of a bumbling vengeful petty and narcissistic god creating playthings and then destroying them in floods, fires or freak salt-pillar accidents anytime they don't please him. Nailing his kid to a cross doesn't make him LOVING. It makes him sociopathic.
That's my opinion.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist Then cheeseburgers should be your alternative.
Platopriest 1 year ago
@Platopriest Um thanks for the unsolicited negative advice but I'll pass on it.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist lol God Loves You. If you ever want to have chats about anything i can send you my info and we can talk about stuff related to God and all
Platopriest 1 year ago
It seems that you are only picking versus out of the bible and using what you want how you want. I dont mean to insult you or insult your intelligence but there were slaves or servants in times that the bible existed, a servant to a family, a servant to a tradesman, a midwife, etc..and it calls for them to be respecting and to honor their providers and the bible isnt Woman hating at all..if you look at the end of proverbs it gives great respect and honor to a hard working, good, loving woman..
Platopriest 1 year ago
Domestic Discipline is an agreement between a couple about how to handle things. It's not one or the other deciding one day just to spank the other because they can. The wife might have reasons she believes that it could do her good. She could have issues that need to be dealt with or behaviors she wants to be accounted for. A good DD relationship includes an agreement as to why spanking is used and how otherwise it's abuse and wrong.
Dizzybear 1 year ago 4
@Dizzybear Does HE ever ever ever have 'issues" that need to be dealt with by smacking him across the ass cheeks, or does this only help "discipline" women?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@Dizzybear Its a major issue that even exsist, and even sick that its used in homes. If you give someone power there is atleast a 60% chance that they will abuse it. And as you said, this is wrong.
ryobies 10 months ago
@ryobies true cdd is agreed upon not just decided and those true to it sign an agreement that neither can break. there are some that give full trust to the hoh but that's wrong.
Dizzybear 10 months ago
@Dizzybear The "hoh? And you always hear married people talk about the mutual commitment or something along those lines. And it just seems weird.
ryobies 10 months ago
@ryobies Head of Household or Husband. Wow you really are clueless and this conversation is meaningless so I will not continue it. Have a good day
Dizzybear 10 months ago
@Dizzybear Right, I hope you spend half your life in prision.
ryobies 10 months ago
I wish someone who spank the hell out of you!
whatisitfawlty 1 year ago
@snarky77005 "A marriage is a partnership not a new form of childhood or slavery where the woman should always be subservient."
LOL, not for most of history.
humanistheart 1 year ago
I also wanted to say that I am sorry for your abusive marriage. I know that it must have been a hard thing to go through, but I think that these women have a different mindset than you.
lyricspint 1 year ago
To them, this is no different than spanking their child. Why? Because christian marriage is not based on an egalitarian partnership and the bible doesn't describe it as such; however people try to make it as though they are meant to be equals. The command to wives is to submit to their husbands authority just like kids are commanded to obey their parents. Would I enter into a CDD marriage? No, but do some research before throwing the word abuse around.
lyricspint 1 year ago
Thanks for remembering those of us in the BDSM community. I get so tired of having to point out that consenting adults are different from spousal/roommate/whatever abusive relationships. BDSM folk are not abusers.
Yes, technically there are laws; battery, assault, rape that we are "guilty" of. (Jeez, did I end a sentence with a preposition? Yikes!) OTOH, the law is a funny thing. I've been paid to do what is technically illegal in front of video cameras, on both sides of the whip.
shoppingaccount415 1 year ago
you won't really know till you are spanked
rhinohippo 1 year ago
To people who think husband spanking wife is cool, pray tell me why can't she spank him if he displeases her? Why is he in any way qualified to 'guide' her? What if she is better qualified to 'guide' him in certain situations? She is to trust him but doesn't spanking her mean that he does not trust her?
tawo101 1 year ago
@snarky77005 Beautifully & perfectly said.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
I know you have had some bad past, but I think you aren't really understanding the real point. Wake up. Praise God! He's word's are the truth. His words are the way of life. Jesus loves you. He wants you to love him. He sure loves you a lot. He's the way of life.......
lahainke 1 year ago
@lahainke Produce evidence for your claims please. God exist, loves me, blah blah blah blah blah. Jesus is a myth, like Horus or Mithras or Demeter & Persephone. And even if a historical Jesus or Yeshua once lived, that guy is long long long long dead.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Christian Domestic Discipline, this sounds like a beautiful thing. Periodically, the wife does need to be "Put in check" because at times, wives do tend to get out of line. So, instead of treating this as something that is disturbing, you should be praising Christians for this. Both groups of adults are consenting, the man who is the head of the family and the woman who knows that she needs his guidance, so all is well. Congratulate Christians for this, instead of tearing them down!
jankileo 1 year ago
@jankileo Congratulate bigotry and the denial of a woman's worth? No.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist How can this be considered bigoted, and how is he denying her self worth? First, the man loves his wife, which is why she trusts that he has her best interests in mind should he have to discipline her. But, being more than just discipline, this shows that the wife trusts the guidance she is receiving from her husband, a trust that comes from their love for each other. It's from this trust that she grows personally. So, denial of self worth? Not hardly!
jankileo 1 year ago
@jankileo The fact that the MAN has "authority" to "discipline" his wife, yet she does not have that same authority is how this can be considered bigoted. And as a survivor of domestic violence, this sounds like nothing but pretty words put over ugly bruises.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist You are not listening to me! The "authority" that the man has over his wife has been given to him by his wife because she trusts him. This is in no way bigoted. Maybe it's because you were at on time abused (sorry that happened to you) that you are failing to make the connection here. Again, CDD is more then just the man disciplining the woman, it's about the love that they have for each other. From this love, a trust is developed. This trust is what CDD is all about!
jankileo 1 year ago
@jankileo I'm not *believing* you, there's a difference. You are free to have that lifestyle. I am free to say I don't like it, and why. You aren't going to persuade me that misogyny and hitting are part of love, okay? (And no, I wasn't physically abused in my relationship. I got that at home from my parents like most Christians.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist Again, you're not listening! And, I am sorry your parents abused you. It's rather appalling to hear of parents doing that to their children. Still, it's been interesting dealing with you over this topic. I wish you the best!
jankileo 1 year ago
(Continued) Seriously, what's this bad relationship shit all about anyway? If you're a woman and all you can do is bitch at your man all day and bust his fuckin' balls constantly, or if you're a man and you're with a woman who you just want to smack around all the time...well what the fuck are you doing together anyway? I have no sympathy for people who choose such fucked up people as lovers and then maintain those shit relationships like that and then go telling stupid sob stories about it.
scruethedemiurge 1 year ago
Beating a kid is a hell of a lot worse than hitting a woman. Indeed, I have very little sympathy for battered woman. My experience is that when women get smacked around they've usually provoked it. I've never hit a woman myself, but then I've never had a relationship that lasted more than six months. My last girlfriend talked about how her ex abused her. Well, in retrospect, I'd have probably gotten abusive too if I'd stayed with her much longer. But I'm not into maintaining crap relationships.
scruethedemiurge 1 year ago
@scruethedemiurge Wow, I have no difficulty at all believing you've never had a long-term relationship! I hope you get help."Smacking a woman around" isn't okay, and it isn't justifiable so get that idea outta your heads right now.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@scruethedemiurge
Dude, I think you need some serious mental help. Putting your hands on anyone for any reason other than self defence his fucking wrong. Would you beat or hit your kid (like you'll ever have any) because they did something that pissed you off? Probably not, you must have some serious mommy issues. I would hope someone would batter you but then again, I wouldn't want someone to dirty their hands because they touched your filthy abusive ass. You wouldn't deserve sympathy anyway.
Kitsune1414 1 year ago
i couldnt agree more and my family is full of preachers. its all a joke
JLhits98 1 year ago
You need a spanking.
thesaint252 1 year ago
The Bible tells husbands to love their wives as their own bodies. I obey my husband because I love him, and he loves me very much. I think CDD is really great for our marriage. Who gets to decide that CDD is "unhealthy"? "Non-consentual consent" isnt what your saying it is. I would like to talk to you about it, to see it from our point of veiw.
stefanierose88 1 year ago
@stefanierose88 Sure. Would you like to do a recorded Skype chat or do you prefer email? YT comment threads get hard to follow quickly.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist I've done a recorder skype chat, so I dont know how to do it. I have skype, so if you know how to record then that would be fine. If we did that, just PM letting me know what your major questions/concerns are. I'll be speaking as someone who practices CDD (and has past experience in BDSM), but I cant speak for everyone who practices CDD. Let me know when your available.
stefanierose88 1 year ago
@stefanierose88 i meant "i've NEVER done a recorded skype chat"
stefanierose88 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
angie- power is centered in the penis.
that is why I am VERY powerful man because i have a huge, huge penis
vduke 1 year ago
Angie, my respect goes out to you. Did you have your ex- husband arrested? If he hurt you, you have a right to sue and /or prosecute for cruelty.
mrhalwes 1 year ago
This woman is a liar.
machashebeth972 1 year ago
Hey Angie, I would be interested to know how you feel about my observations regarding the high prevalence of women self reporting such high rates of sexual rape fantasies. It is apparently a very powerful sexual fantasy for many women, yet the reasoning behind it is not entirely clear to me.
I am thinking that it is filling some unfulfilled subconscious need that the woman has to feel submissive to a dominant man, but the evidence is not entirely clear as to why those women find it so erotic.
unserviam 1 year ago
Lets be clear in this. We are talking about Fantasy, not reality. In real life, women do not desire to be raped, but in the dream world apparently very many use that fantasy to get off, and that astounds me. It speaks to a duality of mind, a conflict wherein the woman holds two opposing views of her desires.
Why in her fantasies do many women choose to be raped. She could if she wanted, easily escape the brute, or kill her attacker, but no she gets off on the fantasy Rape. Why so??
unserviam 1 year ago
@unserviam First, I'm not sure how prevalent it really is. Second, it's hardly surprising when our media, women's erotic lit, etc. go with the fight-fuck fantasy and damsel-in-distress fantasies so heavily, combining eroticism with violence against women. Personally I don't identify with rape fantasies at all; then again I've been raped and there's nothing fantastic about it.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Scripture encouraging abuse against women...nothing new there.
Kailys3 1 year ago
@Kailys3 The mistreatment of women in the Abrahamic religions is reprehensible, and it is regrettable that more women don't recognize that fact and turn away from religion expressly because of it.
Similarly for Afro-Americans. The majority of blacks in America today are descended from slave-stock, and the Bible for instance gives instructions on the purchasing and use of slaves, yet instead of leaving a religion which treats them as property, many Blacks seem overly enthralled by it. Weird!
unserviam 1 year ago
"...the fact I have mental illness"
What? How? You appear perfectly normal!
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Mental illness is pretty common, so of course I appear "normal" lol. I have severe agoraphobia, PTSD, depression, anxiety, OCD, etc. I'm great online but offline life is harder to deal with.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
How could those possibly be used against you in an argument? None of them remotely affect your capacity for reason...
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Ah well, I was much less confident back then. He'd be a jerk & when I got upset, he'd swear I was just crazy and wrong.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
As someone who is very happily married, I cannot imagine such a situation.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist It is possible to be both "crazy" but still be 'right 'as well. I am curious to know if you suffered from the same, less, none or more mental conditions back in those days than you do now, and whether or not you think your mental difficulties had any deleterious effect on that relationship or do you consider everything to have been the fault of your partner?
It may have been all his fault, but in your altered state, you may have assigned some unwarranted blame to yourself!
unserviam 1 year ago
@unserviam Oh it was definitely his fault. I was duped & religious & not treating myself well at all, but I wasn't wrong about him being a bad person to be married to (or in the same room with.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist I am glad to hear that unfortunate part of you life is now in the past. Given your stormy past relationship, it is my hope that you have a fair wind at your back and clear sailing for the remainder of your journey.
I wonder if that experience has given you incentive to choose a more compatible life-partner, who can better tolerate your multiple mental disorders, or has it put you off completely so that you now go solo? This is none of my business, but I have taken an interest.
unserviam 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist I think Marriage is an outmoded concept in the modern era, and it should be avoided. It is an institution of ownership, not wholly unlike the formalized transfer of real property. Females belonging to their fathers, having their ownership transferred to a new owner, and having that transaction witnessed, signed off on, and stamped as a valid bargain by a magistrate, or some other person authorized to oversee such transactions.
It is a barbaric practice and should be abandoned!
unserviam 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne Surely you can understand how it would be possible for some of those conditions of the mind to to singularly or in combination impair someone's normal brain function. She says she has an array of psychological problems, so it is reasonable to postulate that it has some effect on her perception of the world around her. It must have a distorting effect upon her ability to evaluate things as they really are.
She thinks well as it is, so just imagine if she was not mentally unwell!
unserviam 1 year ago
Except depression and agoraphobia are not in the same "class" as Alzheimer's, Schizophrenia, and so on; while the latter truly do shred all sense of reality, the former are largely emotional, not logical. Ergo, they are rather unlikely to affect a person's ability to reason (in terms of accuracy), though focus may be more difficult.
Not being a neuroscientist nor a psychologist, I am far from an expert, so my word is not Gospel.
Joke intended.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago