Please see new blog: "The Unknown History of MISANDRY." Includes lots of documentation on men's rights organizations and various aspects of misandry mostly in pre-1960s history. For example: the first Men's Rights organization, founded in 1926! Plus quotes on Chivalry, Justice, and many article written by women, 19203-1950s who openly condemned misandry.
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Men have been in control of most societies for at least the last 300 years - probably more - and so if the world is not the way you think it should be you have only yourself to thank.
Your 'understanding' of the issues is on about a grade three level. Come back when taking your arguments apart wouldn't be like beating the tar out of a prepubescent child...
@factory2590 i know you are so what am i - that is the level of your argument - easy to call names - demonstrate some substance and maybe you'll get respect - but the sad truth is that there is no foundation for you silly stance. Grow up. Blame yourself for your shitty life because it is probably your fault to begin with and BE A MAN. Now i'm going to block you because you are giving off nothing but toxic fumes.
@charlesanddog, men may have had most of the power during history, but they also shouldered most of the heavy burdens throughout history. They went into the fields and picked cotton and vegetables while women stayed indoors. And while they waged wars, they also defended their loved ones against invasions while their wives and children were escorted to safety as much as was possible. But now, women have most of the money and power AND men continue to shoulder all the heavy responsibilities.
@charlesanddog, for the majority of history, therefore, a kind of equity existed between men and women, and even if both roles were restrictive and rigidly defined, when everything was added up you could say it was pretty much fair. Now, things are most definitely NOT fair. Men are economically disadvantaged, legally disadvantaged, forced to break their backs working for women who sit on their asses (child support and alimony), and yet we STILL do all the dangerous, exhausting jobs.
@charlesanddog, so seeing that men have it worse than women in the West in every possible way, and seeing that things were fair for most of history, we don't have ourselves to thank for the plight of men. No, we have feminists and people like you to thank for supporting this injustice.
Besides, even if men were "oppressors" in the past, does that justify feminists oppressing men right back? No! It's not ok to do evil back to people. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@charlesanddog, if you think revenge is a moral act, just look at what happened in Yugoslavia when people embraced that idea, or look at Nazi Germany. Nazis believed the Jews had betrayed them in WWI, and that by killing every last Jew, they were merely doing what was right and just in response to their treachery.
The premise of the right wing feminists is to alienate men and treat them as the enemy. Not even other women like them anymore. I know because a female friend of mine tried to set up a hostle for male victims of abuse and the feminists threatend her and she had to go into hiding for fear of her life. They even take boy children way from their mothers when in refuge. How evil is that. Also as a man I have been sexually assaulted by a woman then told how lucky I am she wanted me. How sick is that
So if some of you women that are in the feminist movement that are really looking for true equality, then join a humans rights movement....staying with this organization now is only helping this corruption progress.
Most women who do mean good intentions are highly misinformed about the leaders of modern feminism's true goals. They are tricked by their guise of the pursuit of true equality.
Them just saying they are for equality does not mean its good.
@factory2590 Women tell me all the time "Well I am a feminist and I am for equal rights."
I always tell them, "That does not mean the leaders of Feminism are, you are falling for their guise of gender equality, thats not their true goals, and staying with this group gives them support to continue misandry in Western culture."
Stubborn as most feminist women (and manginas) are I rarely break through though, logic does not seem to be enough.
People, mostly women are confused about modern feminim's goals.
Back in its youth, its cause was to give equal rights to women, which has been met, but now, feminism created an industry on which they victimize women and paint men as the perpetrator of it, and that they will fight against this fake injustice if you send us government funding.
The leaders of modern feminism claim they are for gender equality but their past and future goals prove otherwise.
I could fill volumes on how the feminization of the workplace such as harassment policies, diversity days etc etc has led to intellectual myopia and division.
Reasonable-minded people either are trapped in this corporate slush through marriage financial obligations or living the image, or have just coasted along.
When we start to be able to call these people out on their b.s. instead of them being some polymorphous mass, untraceable and entrenched, will the tide turn.
Can anyone tell me where to find I can find the overall divorce rates in the United States? Any information on a source that can be cited would be appreciated.
The media picks the worst to represent a group,because they get higher ratings. Feminazi's got ALL the attention, which is why non-hateful women gave up a long time ago. Ever hear of Nancy Friday? My point exactly.
@factory2590 I have an idea,I've noticed allot of men have stopped protecting society & women,for example In Newyork a couple of NYC cops did nothing while a women got raped by crack heads & I see this as trend where men feel abused. By our current misandric society,so thus they refuse to support this society,its all in the misandry bubble google it & you'll find it,the site is called the futurist.
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Im sorry "she" dumped you. And Im sorry you cant see the kids as much as youd like and have to pay for them, as you say,, but from what I've seen and heard of you, I do not blame her AT ALL, Mr. Rocket Surgeon, for hittin the high road. Anything to get away from the bitter bile you regurgitate on a daily basis. Get a life, grow up, suck it up and be a real man. Not one who blames women for HIS own shortcomings, insecurities and mistakes. Now, THERE'S your GIGGLE, you insipid, smug ass.
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"rendered completely powerless" ? Were women, not your arch nemesis. And yes, if standing for equal rights is considered being a feminist than I am. And proud of it!
You're not a woman. You're a Feminist. There's a BIG difference.
See, one is a sex of the human race. The other is a man-hating political ideologue who believes men should be "put in their place" like they IMAGINE women were once, in the long distant past...
Because at the VERY LEAST, feminism believes the sins of the Father should be visited on the Sons.
Well, you better hope men don't take the same tack with women... Because we have actual documentation of every man-hating word...
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You're so wrong it's humorous - scary, were you to actually pose any threat. First of all, you don't know me and to make ANY kind of sweeping generalization about me isn't only extremely offensive, it's non-sensical. If you saw me, you'd know I am ALL woman & then some, honey child. And I LOVE men. You're the hater between the two of us. I wish no ill will upon any man, just a fair/equal shot. There's a lot more facets to me as a person and to my beliefs than your close-minded bigotry allows.
Yeah...you love men alright. I bet some of your best friends are men!
Asshat.
"Get a life, grow up, suck it up and be a real man. Not one who blames women for HIS own shortcomings, insecurities and mistakes. Now, THERE'S your GIGGLE, you insipid, smug ass."
Or...
You could look into what I'm talking about.
But then you'd actually have to expend effort for men...whom you so plainly show you have next to no use for.
@factory2590 I agree that its not fair that men should pay for kids that are not theirs, that men should have birth control pills etc.. I do not agree with making women powerless. I got no clue why you hate women THAT much.
@factory2590 You in itself have good points, but the way you bring it comes across kinda anti-all-women and that makes the original ideas lose power. The post I referred to lists "woman", not "feminist'. Furthemore 'feminist' has many definitions, so it would make sense to explain which kind you are against. Unless you are against all feminists, including the ones who gave women voting rights and opportunities to get jobs. I am not sure where you stand on those points, clarify please.
women in america love the advantages of so called equality but do not actually want to be equal. for instance why arent women protesting the fact that they are not allowed on the front lines during wars?
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I mean, I could understand if MRA's were pushing for men's specific gender roles to change. Like being able to show and explain their emotions better. Or supporting stay at home fathers. Or getting away from chivalry (if they believe it puts a woman above them).
But that's not what I see. I see MRA's preaching about how they want their power back or how they miss "the good old days".
Well I'm sorry, in the good old days I had no rights, so how am I supposed to support a group like that?
You only see that because that's what you CHOOSE to see.
What I see are a group of men asking why something is OK for women, and yet not OK for men. Or wondering why men are never talked about nicely in the media (it seems). Or why we have to apologize for having opinions contrary to feminists...
You support MRA's doing things that YOU want from men, not what men want for themselves. And THAT, my dear, is why you don't support us.
The issue is is that women have rights in places that are not equal and equality should be the issue.
Men should have just as much right to custody as women, but this is not the case at all.
Not to mention to fear of a false rape charge, and not to belittle rape because it is appalling. But rape shield laws protect some women who make false charges, they also violate the constitutional right to face your accuser.
Please offer constructive criticism next time you post.
Please stop using logical fallacies and present a strong argument.
How is it that when I want the law to be followed I'm suddenly a rape sympathizer? I am a victim of rape and I can assure you, I am no advocate of it.
Rapist need to be punished and removed from society from good, but using this as a tool to get back at someone is ridiculous and hurts society as a whole. It is manipulation of the legal system.
I'm sorry you can't present a logical argument, but really this is important.
In specific instances men have fewer rights than women, but men as a whole still have more rights than women. I have never made any statement that said men have no rights what-so-ever.
I personally favor equality over favoring certain sexes in certain instances. Abortion is absolutely a woman's issue, though.
I don't think I would never made the assumption that men have no rights, I would also try to present an argument instead of just lobbing insults.
Im assuming men having fewer rights than women, you are implying family court situations?
You know, I really am sorry if you are a man and you live in a country or state that your children are taken away from you simply and for the sole reason that you have a penis. I am sorry.
But I live in a state where women pay child support and alimony, custody is almost always dual, and men get fully custody depending on the family situation.
OH, and you can thank feminists for alimony going away.
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You dont agree men CHOOSE to be discriminated against? Like by choosing not to take a more active role in child-rearing, the courts will most likely favor the person that does (the mom). Or, if you choose to carry a woman's boxes. Or if you choose to stay on the Titanic. And so on.
As for me, I cant really CHOOSE not to play professional football...thats "just the way it is". My point being, women dont choose to be discrimated against. However, since we live in a man's world, men do.
"You dont agree men CHOOSE to be discriminated against?"
As much as women CHOOSE to be raped.
Men almost always IMMEDIATELY lose their rights to their children during divorce. Even before the case is heard (Ex Parte restraining orders need no hearing).
My credentials:
I am a full-time single dad. I don't get child support. I get along WELL with my ex-wife. I am a child support caseworker.
Factory is 100% correct...Obviously, I have no horse in this race. I can be objective.
Hearing an MRA say abortion is a woman's issue is quite refreshing though I must say. I thought you wanted 50% rights to our uterus.
And might I ask why men have not demanded more comprehensive birth control, such as the pill, to prevent them from having unwanted children? I would have thought, living in this society, men would have had the first rights to birth control considering society lets them sleep around without judgment.
First of all, I'm not an MRA just an advocate of equality. Both sides have issues that rightfully need to be addressed.
While I would never demand control over someone else's body or life, I would very much embrace the idea of birth control for men in some other form than a condom.
On the topic of promiscuity; I think judging anyone on who, how, or how often they want to fuck is a despicable practice and no one should be looked down upon for their sexual practices (excluding illegal things).
"In specific instances men have fewer rights than women, but men as a whole still have more rights than women."
I don't think you can back that statement up...at all. Where, exactly, is this plethora of rights that men have, that make up for lack of parental, reproductive, legal, and employment rights of men...
In fact, I doubt you could find one single area of life where men actually are doing better than women...
Manhaters like Amosiren here will say men deserve it...what's your take??
I don't mistake me for saying that men are better off, just often times afforded more opportunities.
In the southern United States, where I live, I have worked in quite a few places that are treated as a "boys club". I know this is anecdotal, but it is the only evidence I can provide.
I've seen women gently nudged away from specific types of jobs because they're women and even my family has discouraged my sisters from going into mathematics and science based fields.
This is not to say that this is the typical experience for a woman, just one in the south.
Even in my own field I've seen women ostracized because of their sex and I don't agree with it but don't want to rock the boat because I like being employed.
No, I see this pretty often and it is treated as a norm. However, when I do see it its generally when I'm on campus or when I'm outside of the south.
I don't have tv service, so I can't say that I see it there.
As far as the "boys club" comment, I didn't specifically say it was one, I put it in quotes because I could see how someone might THINK it is given the attitude toward and about women in the place I work.
Parental courts still side with women here, and as far as reproductive rights I can't really say I completely agree that men should have say on the topic of an abortion. However, if the preference of the father is for an abortion he should be able to give up his fatherly rights without being sought after for child support.
I also believe that a paternity test should be mandatory for all child support cases.
My point, the South is a strange mixture of America today and 30-40 years ago.
" I can't really say I completely agree that men should have say on the topic of an abortion"
When did I say a man should be able to force a woman to do ANYTHING?
She should have the ability to choose...but so should he. If their choices mesh...hey great. But neither of their choices should IMPOSE on the other..ie, she can have the kid, or not, as she chooses. He can be there for the child, or not, as HE chooses. If she wants, but can't afford, the child...that's HER tough luck.
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Im really curious about your logic behind abortion being a woman's final decision. (and yours too Factory) Just want to know, I'm not trying to start a debate.
I have no control or decision on a woman's choice to keep or abort a child. It isn't my body and woman aren't slaves or livestock (not that I want them to be) so I have no say in the issue.
Also, Factory, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you I didn't intend for that to happen. I do however happen to agree with you, though.
Simple. My rights end at the tip of your nose...and vice versa. Should that child be born, however, my rights are EXACTLY equal to yours too, which means in a "custody battle" - even at birth - there is a presumption of shared custody..50/50, immediately.
My point with this wasn't to poke fun at the women he raped and murdered, just to point out that sociopaths are often charming. So a psycho killer could appear to be nice until you're a victim.
I apologize if it's been mentioned, but I must counter that Camille Paglia is an excellent feminist who has been attacking the establishment since the early 90s. Christina Hoff Summers is pretty good too.
A price one pays when making a virtue of free thought and honest intellectual inquiry. Love the passion in your vids by the way. The feminists videos have loads of that, but you one-up them with logic and a sober sense of fairness.
Woman aren't messed up just the ones in the U.S don't marry them are have kids with them, start seeking woman in other countries, do what ever you have to to get laid "DON'T GET MARRIED".
...and Feminists adopted NAZI propaganda techniques, including phrases like "Best Interests of the Children", to justify their hateful agenda.
Feminism is rooted in Marxist Communism, yes, but it does not preclude feminists from adopting much of the NAZI culture for their own...including dreams of Utopia after a Genocide, frankly...
Go back and read your comment again from a male perspective.
"Many men do have mental problems this is why men start wars, rape, are sexist, are racist etc, however not all men have problems, and even though men seem to lack some forms of intelligence they're still equal to women just different."
People like YOU are exactly why we need a MRM...you are so accustomed to man hatred you don't even see it anymore.
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Many men do have mental problems this is why men start wars, rape, are sexist, are racist etc, however not all men have problems, and even though men seem to lack some forms of intelligence they're still equal to women just different. Women in general have some problems too, but we shouldn't hate each other. We need to find common ground, find ways to subdue some forms of stupidity, and work together. When we separate from each other we become weak as a species, so how about Humanism instead of
Oh please. If some men had their way women would be used as breeding stock, and yes if some women had their way men would be used as nothing more then sperm. Now women shouldn't have a higher position than men, nor should men have a higher position then women. Both women and men can perform on just about anything at the same level, although their are some things women seem to govern better in general, same for men.
That's not possible the sperm donor is to remain anonymous and it's perfectly legal, the problem with that is the basterd offspring come around look for the poor smuck whos sperm was used to artifically insemnate some bitch know man wanted to stick his dick in.
In AUS, for example, men have been held liable for child support payments to single mother recipients of their "donation".
This has so affected the donation level of AUS men (no shit) that these banks routinely advertise abroad...although treaty allows men in other countries to be made to pay too...
Thanks for what you are doing. we are working to start a movement here in sri Lanka. but the fact is that people cannot understand what is it untill they become a pray of feminism.
People do not have any clue about what is going on until they or someone they love gets bit by this craziness. Until most people have felt the sting of the laws the ONLY benefit women they do not see the validity of your arguments. It is a shame that men have to get burned before they will ever even think about these issues.
Peace back to you brother, I am only trying to educate men just like you and Factory are trying to do. As well as other MRA's on YOUTUBE. We in this movement need to find some kind of consensus to combat these ill, that's all I was trying to do with the previous statement I made.
Reproductive activism,....no. Mens right activism,..yes! But the last I heard, reproductive rights was indeed an issue that effect all men. I am not advocating a male version of feminism. On the contrary, I am however all for educating all men how not to be taken advantage of by a system that will not hesitate to exploit men's well known biological urge to reproduce i,e to have sex! Btw, I am not islamic pal, assumptions are bad!
it is exactly the same thing i have been saying the last 10 years, saying there are some good feminists out there, is like saying there are some good nazis out there.
Totally spot on.
The nazis wanted to protect the germans from the jews, the feminists wants to protect the females from the males.
Nazi feminists eigh. It never changes does it Factory, it always remains the blame game. Always encourging debate amongst men, well, I dont see any discussion here, I just see a space where men freely can express loathing women & escape being judged as women haters, all the while excerting the statement that feminists are all man-hating scum. At least funcuz admits what he is, but as always, accepts no responsibility for the fact that he's the architect of his own mind, not the feminists.
This hatred and intollerance even extends to other men: "pussy beggars" and other sexist stereotypes, all coined within the mens rights community.
Well surely it would not be out of place to mention that with the conclusion that all feminists hate men should come the point that perhaps there is enough man-hate going on and that men themselves should give eachother a break. No?
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I take time to explore your ideas so I might realise where my own ideas can be predjudice. And sometimes they are and sometimes they change because I allow myself to open up to ideas which at first seem pretty threatening especially in this community.
I have to lay aside my impression of how sexist this community is in order to penetrate the ideas that are being discussed here. In the process I've been at the brunt of a LOT of sexist/sexual insults, JUST because I'm female & feminist.
Feminist? Well, I already told you, if you insist on associating yourself with that label, then you flat out DESERVE the derision. You choose to continue to identify with man hatred...there must be a reason...ergo, you're a man-hater.
It really is your choice. But Feminism? Evil.
Feminists deserve everything they have coming to them. Even "understanding"
I'm not so sure it is just a sense of "contempt for a hateful political ideology" because not all feminists are even politically active or engaged. Besides a hateful political ideology does not equate to or even result in man hate. The gender biases that contribute to what you define as "hateful political ideologies" are present on all sides, feminist AND masculinist, left AND right wing ideologies. So you dont have ONLY feminism to blame for that.
Also, to continue, Hitler is no less of an evil man simply because Stalin killed more Jews and Gypsys and political opponents than him...the existence of other man-haters does not in any way diminish the culpability of feminism in the destruction of man.
I can hardly wait until men get to "deconstruct" femininity.....
Hitler and Stalin were about as far away from feminism as you can get. They're even further from it than you are. That is not to say that you are not filled with a few hate filled ideologies of your own, so even you could have striking similarities with both of them and even feminism too if we put you under the microscope.
All monkeys are primates but not all primates are monkeys, Factory, you MRA's could all benefit from telling yourselves that once in a while 'cause thats logic for you.
Not much shocks me these days,I found truth to be stranger then fiction! I'll look in to it. I guess the only differrence is that Natzi's were on the right, And feminist are on the left.
Fabien socialism is on the left,National socialism is on the right! The philophies although differ slightly,but they both spell tyranny. Thats why I'm a libertarian!
What equates to misogyny, in my opinion, is the idea that you can separate women from feminism. You cant. Feminism has the feminine ingrained into it at the very core so to express hatred of feminism is to hate the fundamental sense that these women have of themselves.
You equate feminism with the political, but to millions of women across the globe feminism is the personal & private. Thus, to many it is not just a belief system being attacked but their very being.
If their very being aligns in any way with the hateful ideology known as feminism, then they do indeed deserve to be "attacked".
Fortunately, only feminists insist that it's impossible to separate female from feminist. Largely because most women don't agree with them. Don't mistake a quiet taking of benefits as a result of feminism for support of feminist ideology.
Hell, the only way you guys can recruit new members is to lie your sick fuckin' asses off continually....
I just see a space where men freely can express loathing women & escape being judged as women haters
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See the manipulation you just did here? YOU NEVER tackle the ACTUAL issue presented. A man will present a problem he has with feminism. You completely ignore it and then MANIPULATE to turn it into a complete lie, like "oh, so you hate all women"... and then even go so far as to say "you're using these issues as a cover to your woman hating".
Because it's never really about addressing issues that affect men for feiminists. It's always about attacking men any chance they can get, and deflecting any sense of responsibility women or the feminist's movement might have.
It's what any individual faced with evidence that they are EXACTLY what they profess to hate...a sexist bigot, engaged in the oppression of a sex, and delighted with the outcomes.
It's the new "White Man's Burden"....and feminists (women??) aren't eager to pick it up.
In a nutshell , modern feminists have convinced me that they're idiots , selfish , and misandric in temperament. Feminists have basically turned me into a misogynist although I really have no desire to hurt any woman. They've labelled men like me misogynists so fine...call me that then. I do definitely hate feimnists , that much is indisputable.
The irony that feminists don't seem to understand is a little something called "ecology". This is simply the concept that in every system, each of the parts affects all other parts.
Their whole notion of "We'll get around to men's problems once we solve all of women's problems", is pretty funny, because its IMPOSSIBLE :)
Warren Farrell: When one sex wins, both sexes lose.
"You can't JUST fix women's problem while ignoring what effects it has on men."
I 100% agree with you on this point. Especially when addressing such problems that do create more problems the needs & gender types of the sexes must be alligned. I dont believe we should be treated the same as we clearly are affected by things in different ways because of both our biology & body politic, however if the MRM enlightened me on anything it was how the sexes are socially ordered as seperate entities.
Entities that are entirely independant of eachother when the sexes are actually anything but.
Feminism has discussed this so many times in their literature and feminists ideas about this are continually evolving as people push the perameters of gender types. Which is why it seems so foreign to me that feminism is getting blamed for the endless problems and anxieties that men suffer as a consequence of laws that are developed in the domain of "equal rights".
All ideas and ideologies evolve and do so very quickly, and often not very subtly. Nothing is born whole, no idea is ever born complete, no artwork emerges instantaneously. They are all born from process, development, persevearance and sometimes from corageous leaps of faith.
The Christian doctrine, for example, is still evolving and it has emerged from a 4000 year old tradition. It will never stop evolving, and no two Christians relate to Christ in exactly the same way.
Christianity is not an ideology, it is a faith. The actual teachings of Jesus, on the other hand, can be considered an ideology, and they certainly haven't changed. If they have been changed, then it is due to delusional people, not because of itself.
Morality, logic and ethics - the basis of any ideology, are not variables. Feminism does not care about any of the three.
Actually, "ecology" is a subject & reccurring theme in feminist literature, art, film and theatre. Ecology is also a fundamental aspect of the analysis of patriarchal theory, the nature/nurture dynamic in feminist sociology, and, our spiritual brother, CG Jung's psychological analysis of the engendered mind.
So, perhaps I should take what you wrote above as either ignorance or prejudice. Take your pick.
BTW, Andrea Dworkin wrote at length about "When one sex wins, both sexes lose" syndrome.
Feminists are known to shout "ignorance" whenever someone points out a problem in feminism. I don't know about the MRAs here, but I've personally studies feminism far more than than the average pop-feminist.
I am well aware that (some) feminists say they care about ecology. But like everything else we're pointing out is theory vs. practice. (Even though the percentage of feminists who've used the words is single-digit)
Feminism says ONE thing, and then does another. That's our gripe here.
Excellent video Factory. I tried to leave a more elaborate response yesterday, but Youtube was refusing to let me post comments again, why does it do that sometimes?
These "nice" feminists are the pop culture foot soldiers who eat up all the statistics and advertising and have not thought for themselves. True feminists, make no-fault divorce and alimony in female initiated divorce, default child custody, Title IX gender parity law, special grants, scholarships, loans, affirmative action, VAWA etc. Look at the graphs of single mother birth rates to 40%! the rise in divorce to a apex and decline in preference for cohabitation and all the fatherless families.
I consider myself a "true feminist", if such a thing exists. But in my opinion the state of being this term is indefinable and diverse. -No different than the definition of what would or could constitute a "real man".
It is subjective & means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Thus as a "true feminist" your definition of me is absurd: the only thing I ever made & contributed to this world is sculpture. And people dont collect art because of affirmative action.
Existentialist, Anarchist, Libertarian - all terms that are solidly and clearly defined. The fact that an ideology(feminism) has no fixed definition, or goal, or principle, immediately removes any credibility that it may have.
- That statement itself is ideological. Not only that, it's ignorant. Feminism is much LESS than an ideology, because, as is evident from your statement, its adherents do not even think of it as an ideology.
You're right, actually. Feminism started from the WSPU, which protested Woman's lack of a vote, by committing arson and assault to draw attention to their cause, which of coarse proved that women were too emotional and violent to be entrusted with the future of their country. Now, feminism is a political theory (A coincidence, since woman have the vote now?), instead of a societal movement, which creates slave classes in society, who don't have any rights or legal protections.
You obviously dont visit many contemporary art galleries do ya?
Contemporary music and art are two of the few places where people can say what they actually think and be as racist, homophobic, anti-religion etc and actually be viewed by the public. But often the public want to censor such voices more than the establishment does, only because they get offended.
You're obviously a left winger...I'm not. I admit it's been a while since I've been in the scene, but I've been involved my whole life in art (until recently), and the Art world is HIGHLY politicized.
I'm all for balance. To me, neither the left or the right wings of governments represent balance. I dont identify with either.
What is important is that views are being aired without censorship. In this day and age much is being censored from view in municipal galleries. But it is'nt in the wider context, unless, of course, public art being defaced or people going to prison for graf art.
Step outside of arts council funded exhibitions, theres a hell of a lot going on unregulated.
To PoetryEater there are some things I can agree with you on,but allot of things not. I've heard from allot of other M.R.A's & we just don't like you,so now that you know your not wanted. In our community fuck off!
I think it would be easy to say that they attack you with ad hominems, because they have no real arguments to counter yours. I think the real reason, in many cases, is that they are feminist for emotional reasons rather than rational ones. Therefore, they attack you emotionally with anger and spite. This, of course, is very bad because they are following a movement that oppresses half the population; and, they do this just because it feels right.
I want to point out that many feminists associate with feminism because it gives the individual the opportunity to define her femininity on her own terms rather than conform to the feminine gender type proscribed for them by society.
This motivation is clearly present in the MRM too when the discussion is at its best. However, just because the MRM associate feminism with the oppression of men does not mean all feminists identify with feminism because they feel compelled to oppress men.
If that's true, then those women are looking the wrong place. Every outspoken feminist I've ever seen shouts down those who do not agree with her dogma. They do so using shame and ridicule such as in the 'Friday Feminist Fuck You.' If you're a feminist, chances are that you have to conform to the gender type proscribed by feminism. This is what happens when one tries to join a movement in order to define herself as an individual.
Just out of curiosity, which gender type exactly do you believe feminism expects feminists to "conform" to?
And why shouldnt feminists be free to openly address and critisize 'public perverts', for example, in their Friday Feminist Fuck You's?
Do you really think it is "dogma" to defend a persons right not to be sexually assulted on public transport, or to call out those who film up the skirts of teenage girls without their knowing about it?
It might not mean they feel compelled to, but it sure as HELL means they're OK with it happening.
Which plays out as the same type of character (ie, "evil") in my books. Being willing to watch atrocity but not participate is every last bit as bad as actually doing the deeds.
And the absolute BEST thing that can be said about Feminists of every single stripe (including your own) is that they sat back and allowed it to happen.
IOW, not the SS, but still members of the NAZI party.
Feminists don't have to change, the political power they weild has to change. If politicians stop believing that "going against feminists" will play as "going against women", they'll stop crushing men under the jackboot of the police state.
It's up to us to ensure that being anti-male holds as much political cost as being anti-female.
well I think we agree, as more feminist walk away from the hysteria, their political power will lesson. I agree that being pro man is my responsibilty, but changing the way casual feminist idetnify themselves is part of the game, I personally have had some success in moving woman, no men, from the feminist view point,. The few times I have actaully got them to verbzlize this sentiment, I believe has more impact then when it comes from me. Men feminist will follow, their pschology is weak.
Toward the end of this video, in a calm and logical fashion, you completely dismantled the common protestations of venom spitting feminists.
9 times out of 10 the most common tactic employed by feminists and pussy beggars is to derail the debate by accusing the individual of having "issues" and localizing the origins of the grievance.
Feminists and their lapdogs seem to have all graduated from the college of sleazy lobbyist politics. Way to lay the boots to them.
A pussy beggar is any man who intentionally defends the modern feminized woman's position in order TO get laid, or to ensure future sex from the aforementioned if he is getting it.
You don't have to not be having sex to be a pussy beggar. I know too many men who are nothing more than slaves to their own compulsions, and thereby engage in supplicating fealty towards women who don't deserve it.
That's the other half to the equation. If we can demystify women and sex, if we can stop thinking sex is something women have to be wooed into, rather than something they crave every last bit as much as men, THEN we will have a much more level field in the dating world.
As long as getting with a woman is "precious" and "rare", rather than ...er.....sex.....men will continue to make themselves subservient.
That's the other half to the equation. If we can demystify women and sex, if we can stop thinking sex is something women have to be wooed into, rather than something they crave every last bit as much as men, THEN we will have a much more level field in the dating world.
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Well said. In my mind this is priority number nr.1!
Everything else stems from this. The only power feminists have is the power women give them. The only power women have is the power we give them by pursuing them.
Please see new blog: "The Unknown History of MISANDRY." Includes lots of documentation on men's rights organizations and various aspects of misandry mostly in pre-1960s history. For example: the first Men's Rights organization, founded in 1926! Plus quotes on Chivalry, Justice, and many article written by women, 19203-1950s who openly condemned misandry.
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most women dont even like other women! including me so...u guys are totally right in what u say about women
patriciacarrasco 6 months ago
Men have been in control of most societies for at least the last 300 years - probably more - and so if the world is not the way you think it should be you have only yourself to thank.
charlesanddog 10 months ago
@charlesanddog How's the Kool Aid tasting these days?
Your 'understanding' of the issues is on about a grade three level. Come back when taking your arguments apart wouldn't be like beating the tar out of a prepubescent child...
factory2590 10 months ago 8
@factory2590 i know you are so what am i - that is the level of your argument - easy to call names - demonstrate some substance and maybe you'll get respect - but the sad truth is that there is no foundation for you silly stance. Grow up. Blame yourself for your shitty life because it is probably your fault to begin with and BE A MAN. Now i'm going to block you because you are giving off nothing but toxic fumes.
charlesanddog 10 months ago
@charlesanddog, men may have had most of the power during history, but they also shouldered most of the heavy burdens throughout history. They went into the fields and picked cotton and vegetables while women stayed indoors. And while they waged wars, they also defended their loved ones against invasions while their wives and children were escorted to safety as much as was possible. But now, women have most of the money and power AND men continue to shoulder all the heavy responsibilities.
KhagarBalugrak 1 month ago
@charlesanddog, for the majority of history, therefore, a kind of equity existed between men and women, and even if both roles were restrictive and rigidly defined, when everything was added up you could say it was pretty much fair. Now, things are most definitely NOT fair. Men are economically disadvantaged, legally disadvantaged, forced to break their backs working for women who sit on their asses (child support and alimony), and yet we STILL do all the dangerous, exhausting jobs.
KhagarBalugrak 1 month ago
@charlesanddog, so seeing that men have it worse than women in the West in every possible way, and seeing that things were fair for most of history, we don't have ourselves to thank for the plight of men. No, we have feminists and people like you to thank for supporting this injustice.
Besides, even if men were "oppressors" in the past, does that justify feminists oppressing men right back? No! It's not ok to do evil back to people. Two wrongs don't make a right.
KhagarBalugrak 1 month ago
@charlesanddog, if you think revenge is a moral act, just look at what happened in Yugoslavia when people embraced that idea, or look at Nazi Germany. Nazis believed the Jews had betrayed them in WWI, and that by killing every last Jew, they were merely doing what was right and just in response to their treachery.
Would you care you change your opinion now?
KhagarBalugrak 1 month ago
The premise of the right wing feminists is to alienate men and treat them as the enemy. Not even other women like them anymore. I know because a female friend of mine tried to set up a hostle for male victims of abuse and the feminists threatend her and she had to go into hiding for fear of her life. They even take boy children way from their mothers when in refuge. How evil is that. Also as a man I have been sexually assaulted by a woman then told how lucky I am she wanted me. How sick is that
2002ibiza 1 year ago
So if some of you women that are in the feminist movement that are really looking for true equality, then join a humans rights movement....staying with this organization now is only helping this corruption progress.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
Most women who do mean good intentions are highly misinformed about the leaders of modern feminism's true goals. They are tricked by their guise of the pursuit of true equality.
Them just saying they are for equality does not mean its good.
You can say one thing, but do the exact opposite.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
@ManSpeakOut "You can say one thing, but do the exact opposite."
This is THE defining characteristic of Feminism, and Progressivism in general.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 Women tell me all the time "Well I am a feminist and I am for equal rights."
I always tell them, "That does not mean the leaders of Feminism are, you are falling for their guise of gender equality, thats not their true goals, and staying with this group gives them support to continue misandry in Western culture."
Stubborn as most feminist women (and manginas) are I rarely break through though, logic does not seem to be enough.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
People, mostly women are confused about modern feminim's goals.
Back in its youth, its cause was to give equal rights to women, which has been met, but now, feminism created an industry on which they victimize women and paint men as the perpetrator of it, and that they will fight against this fake injustice if you send us government funding.
The leaders of modern feminism claim they are for gender equality but their past and future goals prove otherwise.
ManSpeakOut 1 year ago
It's because of your videos factory that I joined the mens rights movement
Thanks dude
LordXenocide 1 year ago 2
I could fill volumes on how the feminization of the workplace such as harassment policies, diversity days etc etc has led to intellectual myopia and division.
Reasonable-minded people either are trapped in this corporate slush through marriage financial obligations or living the image, or have just coasted along.
When we start to be able to call these people out on their b.s. instead of them being some polymorphous mass, untraceable and entrenched, will the tide turn.
Great video.
luvkrafft 1 year ago
Gentlemen,
Can anyone tell me where to find I can find the overall divorce rates in the United States? Any information on a source that can be cited would be appreciated.
uratrick 1 year ago
The media picks the worst to represent a group,because they get higher ratings. Feminazi's got ALL the attention, which is why non-hateful women gave up a long time ago. Ever hear of Nancy Friday? My point exactly.
missyah101 1 year ago
Non Feminist women have done nothing, said nothing, and sat idly by collecting entitlements while men were increasingly disenfranchised and belittled.
It is to women in general's great detriment that they have done nothing, and continue to do nothing, to stem the tide of misandry.
Women should be ashamed of themselves for not speaking up sooner.
For this reason, men should provide women with EXACTLY the regard men are seen with. If women cared, they'd improve pronto.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 When are you going to do a new video?
crypter27 1 year ago
@crypter27 I've got a couple ideas brewing, hang tough.
factory2590 1 year ago
@factory2590 I have an idea,I've noticed allot of men have stopped protecting society & women,for example In Newyork a couple of NYC cops did nothing while a women got raped by crack heads & I see this as trend where men feel abused. By our current misandric society,so thus they refuse to support this society,its all in the misandry bubble google it & you'll find it,the site is called the futurist.
crypter27 1 year ago
@crypter27 what did NY cops nothing? wtf...
Kenshiroit 1 year ago
@Kenshiroit Sad but true!
crypter27 1 year ago
When are you going to make new video? You should read the misandry bubble for matieral.
crypter27 2 years ago
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Im sorry "she" dumped you. And Im sorry you cant see the kids as much as youd like and have to pay for them, as you say,, but from what I've seen and heard of you, I do not blame her AT ALL, Mr. Rocket Surgeon, for hittin the high road. Anything to get away from the bitter bile you regurgitate on a daily basis. Get a life, grow up, suck it up and be a real man. Not one who blames women for HIS own shortcomings, insecurities and mistakes. Now, THERE'S your GIGGLE, you insipid, smug ass.
erika3247 2 years ago
Hmmm, personal attacks, shaming language, projection, and insults....
YUP, you're a Feminist.
More proof of why your kind should be rendered completely powerless...
factory2590 2 years ago
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"rendered completely powerless" ? Were women, not your arch nemesis. And yes, if standing for equal rights is considered being a feminist than I am. And proud of it!
erika3247 2 years ago
You're not a woman. You're a Feminist. There's a BIG difference.
See, one is a sex of the human race. The other is a man-hating political ideologue who believes men should be "put in their place" like they IMAGINE women were once, in the long distant past...
Because at the VERY LEAST, feminism believes the sins of the Father should be visited on the Sons.
Well, you better hope men don't take the same tack with women... Because we have actual documentation of every man-hating word...
factory2590 2 years ago
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You're so wrong it's humorous - scary, were you to actually pose any threat. First of all, you don't know me and to make ANY kind of sweeping generalization about me isn't only extremely offensive, it's non-sensical. If you saw me, you'd know I am ALL woman & then some, honey child. And I LOVE men. You're the hater between the two of us. I wish no ill will upon any man, just a fair/equal shot. There's a lot more facets to me as a person and to my beliefs than your close-minded bigotry allows.
erika3247 2 years ago
Yeah...you love men alright. I bet some of your best friends are men!
Asshat.
"Get a life, grow up, suck it up and be a real man. Not one who blames women for HIS own shortcomings, insecurities and mistakes. Now, THERE'S your GIGGLE, you insipid, smug ass."
Or...
You could look into what I'm talking about.
But then you'd actually have to expend effort for men...whom you so plainly show you have next to no use for.
You are a manhater, plain and simple.
...A waste of skin.
factory2590 2 years ago
@factory2590 I agree that its not fair that men should pay for kids that are not theirs, that men should have birth control pills etc.. I do not agree with making women powerless. I got no clue why you hate women THAT much.
DoomNoMore 1 year ago
@DoomNoMore You are conflating 'woman' with 'Feminist', they are not the same thing...
factory2590 1 year ago 2
@factory2590 You in itself have good points, but the way you bring it comes across kinda anti-all-women and that makes the original ideas lose power. The post I referred to lists "woman", not "feminist'. Furthemore 'feminist' has many definitions, so it would make sense to explain which kind you are against. Unless you are against all feminists, including the ones who gave women voting rights and opportunities to get jobs. I am not sure where you stand on those points, clarify please.
DoomNoMore 1 year ago
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DoomNoMore 1 year ago
@DoomNoMore Double post, sorry.
DoomNoMore 1 year ago
@erika3247 quit the personal attacks
crypter27 2 years ago
women in america love the advantages of so called equality but do not actually want to be equal. for instance why arent women protesting the fact that they are not allowed on the front lines during wars?
nosimpin 2 years ago
Because they would rather push us in to the meat grinder,which is war then them selves!
crypter27 2 years ago
@erika3247 You don't belong in this debate yet, child.
luvkrafft 1 year ago
I was participating in a webforum for femininsts in 2005 speaking critically against some of the statistics used
The statstics I've personally analyzed on gender equality that portrays women as disadvantaged is untruthful and womenbiased.
The stastics i have seen, what little there is, not portraying women as disadvantaged, have appeared gender unbiased. Note - not men biased.
I tried to explain to feminists how the statistics they used were wrong but they seemed unable to understand
Smackbox 2 years ago
I wan't to be a rocket surgeon.
Just thought I'd point that out.
Carry on.
caltrop69 2 years ago
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I mean, I could understand if MRA's were pushing for men's specific gender roles to change. Like being able to show and explain their emotions better. Or supporting stay at home fathers. Or getting away from chivalry (if they believe it puts a woman above them).
But that's not what I see. I see MRA's preaching about how they want their power back or how they miss "the good old days".
Well I'm sorry, in the good old days I had no rights, so how am I supposed to support a group like that?
amosiren 2 years ago
You only see that because that's what you CHOOSE to see.
What I see are a group of men asking why something is OK for women, and yet not OK for men. Or wondering why men are never talked about nicely in the media (it seems). Or why we have to apologize for having opinions contrary to feminists...
You support MRA's doing things that YOU want from men, not what men want for themselves. And THAT, my dear, is why you don't support us.
factory2590 2 years ago
Men's rights movement. Hahahahaha LMAO
Oh wait. I got one I got one!....
a wise fool
a nice psycho killer
a happy manic depressive
a sane maniac
and a man with no rights.....walk into a bar......
amosiren 2 years ago
The issue is is that women have rights in places that are not equal and equality should be the issue.
Men should have just as much right to custody as women, but this is not the case at all.
Not to mention to fear of a false rape charge, and not to belittle rape because it is appalling. But rape shield laws protect some women who make false charges, they also violate the constitutional right to face your accuser.
Please offer constructive criticism next time you post.
NerdSause 2 years ago 4
Yeah, lets continue to let women and girls be raped from behind with broken beer bottles and knives.
Anything else?
amosiren 2 years ago
Please stop using logical fallacies and present a strong argument.
How is it that when I want the law to be followed I'm suddenly a rape sympathizer? I am a victim of rape and I can assure you, I am no advocate of it.
Rapist need to be punished and removed from society from good, but using this as a tool to get back at someone is ridiculous and hurts society as a whole. It is manipulation of the legal system.
I'm sorry you can't present a logical argument, but really this is important.
NerdSause 2 years ago
You're trying to imply men in america dont have any rights.
And you think I'm illogical?
amosiren 2 years ago
In specific instances men have fewer rights than women, but men as a whole still have more rights than women. I have never made any statement that said men have no rights what-so-ever.
I personally favor equality over favoring certain sexes in certain instances. Abortion is absolutely a woman's issue, though.
I don't think I would never made the assumption that men have no rights, I would also try to present an argument instead of just lobbing insults.
NerdSause 2 years ago
Im assuming men having fewer rights than women, you are implying family court situations?
You know, I really am sorry if you are a man and you live in a country or state that your children are taken away from you simply and for the sole reason that you have a penis. I am sorry.
But I live in a state where women pay child support and alimony, custody is almost always dual, and men get fully custody depending on the family situation.
OH, and you can thank feminists for alimony going away.
amosiren 2 years ago
"Im assuming men having fewer rights than women, you are implying family court situations?
"
No, I'm flat out stating a fact.
Black letter law. Indefensible sexism.
factory2590 2 years ago
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You dont agree men CHOOSE to be discriminated against? Like by choosing not to take a more active role in child-rearing, the courts will most likely favor the person that does (the mom). Or, if you choose to carry a woman's boxes. Or if you choose to stay on the Titanic. And so on.
As for me, I cant really CHOOSE not to play professional football...thats "just the way it is". My point being, women dont choose to be discrimated against. However, since we live in a man's world, men do.
amosiren 2 years ago
amosiren:
"You dont agree men CHOOSE to be discriminated against?"
As much as women CHOOSE to be raped.
Men almost always IMMEDIATELY lose their rights to their children during divorce. Even before the case is heard (Ex Parte restraining orders need no hearing).
My credentials:
I am a full-time single dad. I don't get child support. I get along WELL with my ex-wife. I am a child support caseworker.
Factory is 100% correct...Obviously, I have no horse in this race. I can be objective.
caltrop69 2 years ago 11
Hearing an MRA say abortion is a woman's issue is quite refreshing though I must say. I thought you wanted 50% rights to our uterus.
And might I ask why men have not demanded more comprehensive birth control, such as the pill, to prevent them from having unwanted children? I would have thought, living in this society, men would have had the first rights to birth control considering society lets them sleep around without judgment.
amosiren 2 years ago
First of all, I'm not an MRA just an advocate of equality. Both sides have issues that rightfully need to be addressed.
While I would never demand control over someone else's body or life, I would very much embrace the idea of birth control for men in some other form than a condom.
On the topic of promiscuity; I think judging anyone on who, how, or how often they want to fuck is a despicable practice and no one should be looked down upon for their sexual practices (excluding illegal things).
NerdSause 2 years ago
The expansion of birth control, however, is an issue as the effect women's birth control is having on the water supply and the environment.
I think expansion of water filtration technology to filter out these hormones is an absolute must before there is any kind of expansion.
The burden of birth control, as you're obviously aware of, has been traditionally placed on women which is extremely unfair and damaging.
Factory actually addresses the need for male BC in another one of his videos.
NerdSause 2 years ago
"In specific instances men have fewer rights than women, but men as a whole still have more rights than women."
I don't think you can back that statement up...at all. Where, exactly, is this plethora of rights that men have, that make up for lack of parental, reproductive, legal, and employment rights of men...
In fact, I doubt you could find one single area of life where men actually are doing better than women...
Manhaters like Amosiren here will say men deserve it...what's your take??
factory2590 2 years ago
I don't mistake me for saying that men are better off, just often times afforded more opportunities.
In the southern United States, where I live, I have worked in quite a few places that are treated as a "boys club". I know this is anecdotal, but it is the only evidence I can provide.
I've seen women gently nudged away from specific types of jobs because they're women and even my family has discouraged my sisters from going into mathematics and science based fields.
NerdSause 2 years ago
There is absolutely no evidence, anywhere, of a "pervasive boys club".
There are Women in Business groups, gyms for women, etc...but not ONE all male anything...at least here in Canada.
All male things are illegal. All female things are to be celebrated.
Your anecdotal "evidence" has no weight, since it's likely to be either incredibly isolated, OR a figment of your imagination.
factory2590 2 years ago 2
Well, I said it was anecdotal so that should give you an idea of the weight what I'm telling you should carry.
Also, I'm leaning towards the isolated side of this as I'm absolutely certain I did not imagine these occurrence.
NerdSause 2 years ago
This is not to say that this is the typical experience for a woman, just one in the south.
Even in my own field I've seen women ostracized because of their sex and I don't agree with it but don't want to rock the boat because I like being employed.
NerdSause 2 years ago
Never seen a man ostracised because of his sex?
Ever turn on a tv? Ever talk to a woman after a "bobbit" story hits the news?
Nah, there's no massive tendency in society to ostracise men...
After all, terms like "All Men are Rapists, and That's All They Are" are merely expressions of frustration...not man hatred...right?
Nope, no stereotyping of men, or limitations of rights being justified through demonization...nope...nothing to see here...move along...
factory2590 2 years ago
No, I see this pretty often and it is treated as a norm. However, when I do see it its generally when I'm on campus or when I'm outside of the south.
I don't have tv service, so I can't say that I see it there.
As far as the "boys club" comment, I didn't specifically say it was one, I put it in quotes because I could see how someone might THINK it is given the attitude toward and about women in the place I work.
NerdSause 2 years ago
Parental courts still side with women here, and as far as reproductive rights I can't really say I completely agree that men should have say on the topic of an abortion. However, if the preference of the father is for an abortion he should be able to give up his fatherly rights without being sought after for child support.
I also believe that a paternity test should be mandatory for all child support cases.
My point, the South is a strange mixture of America today and 30-40 years ago.
NerdSause 2 years ago
" I can't really say I completely agree that men should have say on the topic of an abortion"
When did I say a man should be able to force a woman to do ANYTHING?
She should have the ability to choose...but so should he. If their choices mesh...hey great. But neither of their choices should IMPOSE on the other..ie, she can have the kid, or not, as she chooses. He can be there for the child, or not, as HE chooses. If she wants, but can't afford, the child...that's HER tough luck.
factory2590 2 years ago
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Im really curious about your logic behind abortion being a woman's final decision. (and yours too Factory) Just want to know, I'm not trying to start a debate.
amosiren 2 years ago
I have no control or decision on a woman's choice to keep or abort a child. It isn't my body and woman aren't slaves or livestock (not that I want them to be) so I have no say in the issue.
Also, Factory, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you I didn't intend for that to happen. I do however happen to agree with you, though.
NerdSause 2 years ago
Simple. My rights end at the tip of your nose...and vice versa. Should that child be born, however, my rights are EXACTLY equal to yours too, which means in a "custody battle" - even at birth - there is a presumption of shared custody..50/50, immediately.
THAt is what equality looks like.
factory2590 2 years ago
As a side note, I hear Ted Bundy was a charming guy so one of those is out of place.
NerdSause 2 years ago
My point with this wasn't to poke fun at the women he raped and murdered, just to point out that sociopaths are often charming. So a psycho killer could appear to be nice until you're a victim.
NerdSause 2 years ago
@amosiren When did that happen? Please give details.
1WhoSeeks 1 year ago
I apologize if it's been mentioned, but I must counter that Camille Paglia is an excellent feminist who has been attacking the establishment since the early 90s. Christina Hoff Summers is pretty good too.
ElstonGunnn69 2 years ago
Both of which are routinely attacked and vilified by feminists as turncoats and traitors...
factory2590 2 years ago
A price one pays when making a virtue of free thought and honest intellectual inquiry. Love the passion in your vids by the way. The feminists videos have loads of that, but you one-up them with logic and a sober sense of fairness.
ElstonGunnn69 2 years ago
Thanks, I'm glad you like them.
factory2590 2 years ago
Woman aren't messed up just the ones in the U.S don't marry them are have kids with them, start seeking woman in other countries, do what ever you have to to get laid "DON'T GET MARRIED".
DIJV79 2 years ago
LOL I much rather deal with a nazi then a feminist.
hpufo 2 years ago
What are you laughing at? What he said --
"nazis fought to keep the people who invented and promoted feminism out of their society. "
-- is accurate.
fitzpatrick2005 2 years ago
...and Feminists adopted NAZI propaganda techniques, including phrases like "Best Interests of the Children", to justify their hateful agenda.
Feminism is rooted in Marxist Communism, yes, but it does not preclude feminists from adopting much of the NAZI culture for their own...including dreams of Utopia after a Genocide, frankly...
factory2590 2 years ago
keep making these videos. I am almost 100% with you and think what you're doing is great.
dragonbishop72 2 years ago
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Feminism or Male rights? Lets end the sex war
metamltwggloakp 2 years ago
Go back and read your comment again from a male perspective.
"Many men do have mental problems this is why men start wars, rape, are sexist, are racist etc, however not all men have problems, and even though men seem to lack some forms of intelligence they're still equal to women just different."
People like YOU are exactly why we need a MRM...you are so accustomed to man hatred you don't even see it anymore.
Get along? With THAT sentiment?
Not a fucking chance...
factory2590 2 years ago
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Many men do have mental problems this is why men start wars, rape, are sexist, are racist etc, however not all men have problems, and even though men seem to lack some forms of intelligence they're still equal to women just different. Women in general have some problems too, but we shouldn't hate each other. We need to find common ground, find ways to subdue some forms of stupidity, and work together. When we separate from each other we become weak as a species, so how about Humanism instead of
metamltwggloakp 2 years ago
People go to war because they have mental problems now??? Do us all a favor and open a fucking history book.
hpufo 2 years ago
Humanism? Smells like socialism in disguise. But I agree, men and women have to be together, just not ALL the time.
maugustyniak 2 years ago
Oh please. If some men had their way women would be used as breeding stock, and yes if some women had their way men would be used as nothing more then sperm. Now women shouldn't have a higher position than men, nor should men have a higher position then women. Both women and men can perform on just about anything at the same level, although their are some things women seem to govern better in general, same for men.
metamltwggloakp 2 years ago
Actually Some women DO use men just for sperm, It's called the sperm bank. And it's basicaly a slap in the face for my gender.
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Let them use the sperm bank will fly in woman from other nations on jumbo jets.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Sperm donors are liable for child support payments.
factory2590 2 years ago
That's not possible the sperm donor is to remain anonymous and it's perfectly legal, the problem with that is the basterd offspring come around look for the poor smuck whos sperm was used to artifically insemnate some bitch know man wanted to stick his dick in.
DIJV79 2 years ago
In AUS, for example, men have been held liable for child support payments to single mother recipients of their "donation".
This has so affected the donation level of AUS men (no shit) that these banks routinely advertise abroad...although treaty allows men in other countries to be made to pay too...
Test cases in the US and Canada are ongoing.
factory2590 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about!?!?!? DID YOU NOT read what my comment? I just stated women CAN and DO use men JUST for SPERM It's called the SPERM BANK...
thecreepyguy 2 years ago
Thanks for what you are doing. we are working to start a movement here in sri Lanka. but the fact is that people cannot understand what is it untill they become a pray of feminism.
shyaman1 2 years ago
My eyes have opened...I'm on board!
Blackmax2112 2 years ago 3
Good stuff. Drop by anytime...
factory2590 2 years ago
It's interesting for me to watch this because there is a similar gender war going amongst black youtubers.
Men in general seem to be articulating themselves more in gender conflict. I just hope we don't take this too far.
3rdEYEbeHolder 2 years ago
That depends almost entirely on how difficult it is for men to attain equality.
The more resistance encountered, the angrier the men (which would be necessary in order to effect the changes - angry people get things done).
The angrier the men, the less charitable we'll be to those who insisted we deserve it...
factory2590 2 years ago
Well put. Let me rephrase that. I hope we won't HAVE to go to far.
3rdEYEbeHolder 2 years ago
People do not have any clue about what is going on until they or someone they love gets bit by this craziness. Until most people have felt the sting of the laws the ONLY benefit women they do not see the validity of your arguments. It is a shame that men have to get burned before they will ever even think about these issues.
princelydeeds 2 years ago
That's why I do these....hopefully, men become more aware.
A good ad campaign would advance men's issues tremendously....
Sure wish I could find a benefactor willing to mount the campaign....like any one of the "women's issues" foundations, for example.
factory2590 2 years ago
Peace back to you brother, I am only trying to educate men just like you and Factory are trying to do. As well as other MRA's on YOUTUBE. We in this movement need to find some kind of consensus to combat these ill, that's all I was trying to do with the previous statement I made.
damiecol85 2 years ago
Reproductive activism,....no. Mens right activism,..yes! But the last I heard, reproductive rights was indeed an issue that effect all men. I am not advocating a male version of feminism. On the contrary, I am however all for educating all men how not to be taken advantage of by a system that will not hesitate to exploit men's well known biological urge to reproduce i,e to have sex! Btw, I am not islamic pal, assumptions are bad!
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damiecol85 2 years ago
Go Factory Go! This is the right attitude for dealing with feminists. They are a bunch of worthless crap and I treat them like that.
utubehayter 2 years ago
it is exactly the same thing i have been saying the last 10 years, saying there are some good feminists out there, is like saying there are some good nazis out there.
Totally spot on.
The nazis wanted to protect the germans from the jews, the feminists wants to protect the females from the males.
XxOZONEMILITIAxX 2 years ago
Nazi feminists eigh. It never changes does it Factory, it always remains the blame game. Always encourging debate amongst men, well, I dont see any discussion here, I just see a space where men freely can express loathing women & escape being judged as women haters, all the while excerting the statement that feminists are all man-hating scum. At least funcuz admits what he is, but as always, accepts no responsibility for the fact that he's the architect of his own mind, not the feminists.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
This hatred and intollerance even extends to other men: "pussy beggars" and other sexist stereotypes, all coined within the mens rights community.
Well surely it would not be out of place to mention that with the conclusion that all feminists hate men should come the point that perhaps there is enough man-hate going on and that men themselves should give eachother a break. No?
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Oh I agree, men should...
It's time those guys gave the rest of us a break, and stopped making things worse for men.
Better?
factory2590 2 years ago
All feminists ARE man haters. That doesn't equate to misogyny, that equates to contempt for a hateful political ideology.
Feminists can't seem to get their head around that concept.
Women, on the other hand, have no problem separating themselves from the term "feminist".
factory2590 2 years ago
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I take time to explore your ideas so I might realise where my own ideas can be predjudice. And sometimes they are and sometimes they change because I allow myself to open up to ideas which at first seem pretty threatening especially in this community.
I have to lay aside my impression of how sexist this community is in order to penetrate the ideas that are being discussed here. In the process I've been at the brunt of a LOT of sexist/sexual insults, JUST because I'm female & feminist.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Female? Doubtful in most instances.
Feminist? Well, I already told you, if you insist on associating yourself with that label, then you flat out DESERVE the derision. You choose to continue to identify with man hatred...there must be a reason...ergo, you're a man-hater.
It really is your choice. But Feminism? Evil.
Feminists deserve everything they have coming to them. Even "understanding"
ones like you.
factory2590 2 years ago
I'm not so sure it is just a sense of "contempt for a hateful political ideology" because not all feminists are even politically active or engaged. Besides a hateful political ideology does not equate to or even result in man hate. The gender biases that contribute to what you define as "hateful political ideologies" are present on all sides, feminist AND masculinist, left AND right wing ideologies. So you dont have ONLY feminism to blame for that.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Neither were all NAZI's politically active.
See? The analogy holds for SO many instances....
Also, to continue, Hitler is no less of an evil man simply because Stalin killed more Jews and Gypsys and political opponents than him...the existence of other man-haters does not in any way diminish the culpability of feminism in the destruction of man.
I can hardly wait until men get to "deconstruct" femininity.....
factory2590 2 years ago
Hitler and Stalin were about as far away from feminism as you can get. They're even further from it than you are. That is not to say that you are not filled with a few hate filled ideologies of your own, so even you could have striking similarities with both of them and even feminism too if we put you under the microscope.
All monkeys are primates but not all primates are monkeys, Factory, you MRA's could all benefit from telling yourselves that once in a while 'cause thats logic for you.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
You would do well to look into the platform the NAZI party used to get "elected" in Germany then...
It might shock you that it closely mirrors "women's issues".
Draw what conclusions you may...
factory2590 2 years ago
Not much shocks me these days,I found truth to be stranger then fiction! I'll look in to it. I guess the only differrence is that Natzi's were on the right, And feminist are on the left.
crypter27 2 years ago
the NAtion soZIalist party is on the left? really?
docdamag 2 years ago
Fabien socialism is on the left,National socialism is on the right! The philophies although differ slightly,but they both spell tyranny. Thats why I'm a libertarian!
crypter27 2 years ago
What equates to misogyny, in my opinion, is the idea that you can separate women from feminism. You cant. Feminism has the feminine ingrained into it at the very core so to express hatred of feminism is to hate the fundamental sense that these women have of themselves.
You equate feminism with the political, but to millions of women across the globe feminism is the personal & private. Thus, to many it is not just a belief system being attacked but their very being.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
If their very being aligns in any way with the hateful ideology known as feminism, then they do indeed deserve to be "attacked".
Fortunately, only feminists insist that it's impossible to separate female from feminist. Largely because most women don't agree with them. Don't mistake a quiet taking of benefits as a result of feminism for support of feminist ideology.
Hell, the only way you guys can recruit new members is to lie your sick fuckin' asses off continually....
factory2590 2 years ago
Poetry Eater said:
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I just see a space where men freely can express loathing women & escape being judged as women haters
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See the manipulation you just did here? YOU NEVER tackle the ACTUAL issue presented. A man will present a problem he has with feminism. You completely ignore it and then MANIPULATE to turn it into a complete lie, like "oh, so you hate all women"... and then even go so far as to say "you're using these issues as a cover to your woman hating".
AlekNovy 2 years ago 3
Because it's never really about addressing issues that affect men for feiminists. It's always about attacking men any chance they can get, and deflecting any sense of responsibility women or the feminist's movement might have.
cdubMRA 2 years ago
It's what any individual faced with evidence that they are EXACTLY what they profess to hate...a sexist bigot, engaged in the oppression of a sex, and delighted with the outcomes.
It's the new "White Man's Burden"....and feminists (women??) aren't eager to pick it up.
factory2590 2 years ago
In a nutshell , modern feminists have convinced me that they're idiots , selfish , and misandric in temperament. Feminists have basically turned me into a misogynist although I really have no desire to hurt any woman. They've labelled men like me misogynists so fine...call me that then. I do definitely hate feimnists , that much is indisputable.
funcuz 2 years ago
Your 100% right,there is no such thing a good feminist!
crypter27 2 years ago
The irony that feminists don't seem to understand is a little something called "ecology". This is simply the concept that in every system, each of the parts affects all other parts.
Their whole notion of "We'll get around to men's problems once we solve all of women's problems", is pretty funny, because its IMPOSSIBLE :)
Warren Farrell: When one sex wins, both sexes lose.
AlekNovy 2 years ago 2
You can't JUST fix women's problem while ignoring what effects it has on men.
If you solve 1 female problem, by creating 10 new problems for men, guess what? You just created 10 new problems for women. We're inter-connected.
Its a loop. Unhappy women, make men unhappy, which in turn make more women unhappy. Solution is fix both at the same time.
AlekNovy 2 years ago 2
"You can't JUST fix women's problem while ignoring what effects it has on men."
I 100% agree with you on this point. Especially when addressing such problems that do create more problems the needs & gender types of the sexes must be alligned. I dont believe we should be treated the same as we clearly are affected by things in different ways because of both our biology & body politic, however if the MRM enlightened me on anything it was how the sexes are socially ordered as seperate entities.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Entities that are entirely independant of eachother when the sexes are actually anything but.
Feminism has discussed this so many times in their literature and feminists ideas about this are continually evolving as people push the perameters of gender types. Which is why it seems so foreign to me that feminism is getting blamed for the endless problems and anxieties that men suffer as a consequence of laws that are developed in the domain of "equal rights".
PoetryEater 2 years ago
An ideology can never 'evolve'. Only It's implementation may differ with the social scenario.
jupiviv 2 years ago
All ideas and ideologies evolve and do so very quickly, and often not very subtly. Nothing is born whole, no idea is ever born complete, no artwork emerges instantaneously. They are all born from process, development, persevearance and sometimes from corageous leaps of faith.
The Christian doctrine, for example, is still evolving and it has emerged from a 4000 year old tradition. It will never stop evolving, and no two Christians relate to Christ in exactly the same way.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Christianity is not an ideology, it is a faith. The actual teachings of Jesus, on the other hand, can be considered an ideology, and they certainly haven't changed. If they have been changed, then it is due to delusional people, not because of itself.
Morality, logic and ethics - the basis of any ideology, are not variables. Feminism does not care about any of the three.
jupiviv 2 years ago
Actually, "ecology" is a subject & reccurring theme in feminist literature, art, film and theatre. Ecology is also a fundamental aspect of the analysis of patriarchal theory, the nature/nurture dynamic in feminist sociology, and, our spiritual brother, CG Jung's psychological analysis of the engendered mind.
So, perhaps I should take what you wrote above as either ignorance or prejudice. Take your pick.
BTW, Andrea Dworkin wrote at length about "When one sex wins, both sexes lose" syndrome.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Feminists are known to shout "ignorance" whenever someone points out a problem in feminism. I don't know about the MRAs here, but I've personally studies feminism far more than than the average pop-feminist.
I am well aware that (some) feminists say they care about ecology. But like everything else we're pointing out is theory vs. practice. (Even though the percentage of feminists who've used the words is single-digit)
Feminism says ONE thing, and then does another. That's our gripe here.
AlekNovy 2 years ago
Excellent video Factory. I tried to leave a more elaborate response yesterday, but Youtube was refusing to let me post comments again, why does it do that sometimes?
Introspectre1 2 years ago
If I only knew....I wish.
But hey, thanks for the props.
factory2590 2 years ago
These "nice" feminists are the pop culture foot soldiers who eat up all the statistics and advertising and have not thought for themselves. True feminists, make no-fault divorce and alimony in female initiated divorce, default child custody, Title IX gender parity law, special grants, scholarships, loans, affirmative action, VAWA etc. Look at the graphs of single mother birth rates to 40%! the rise in divorce to a apex and decline in preference for cohabitation and all the fatherless families.
Red0660 2 years ago 2
I consider myself a "true feminist", if such a thing exists. But in my opinion the state of being this term is indefinable and diverse. -No different than the definition of what would or could constitute a "real man".
It is subjective & means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Thus as a "true feminist" your definition of me is absurd: the only thing I ever made & contributed to this world is sculpture. And people dont collect art because of affirmative action.
Or do they?
PoetryEater 2 years ago
Existentialist, Anarchist, Libertarian - all terms that are solidly and clearly defined. The fact that an ideology(feminism) has no fixed definition, or goal, or principle, immediately removes any credibility that it may have.
jupiviv 2 years ago
"The fact that an ideology(feminism) has no fixed definition, or goal, or principle, immediately removes any credibility that it may have."
Well theres one I havn't heard before.
Feminism is so much more than an ideology alone, but ignorance is bliss...
PoetryEater 2 years ago
"Feminism is so much more than an ideology alone"
- That statement itself is ideological. Not only that, it's ignorant. Feminism is much LESS than an ideology, because, as is evident from your statement, its adherents do not even think of it as an ideology.
jupiviv 2 years ago 2
You're right, actually. Feminism started from the WSPU, which protested Woman's lack of a vote, by committing arson and assault to draw attention to their cause, which of coarse proved that women were too emotional and violent to be entrusted with the future of their country. Now, feminism is a political theory (A coincidence, since woman have the vote now?), instead of a societal movement, which creates slave classes in society, who don't have any rights or legal protections.
menareangrynow 2 years ago
Um...the art world is about as politically correct, and subject to the whims of popularity, as you can possibly get.
factory2590 2 years ago
You obviously dont visit many contemporary art galleries do ya?
Contemporary music and art are two of the few places where people can say what they actually think and be as racist, homophobic, anti-religion etc and actually be viewed by the public. But often the public want to censor such voices more than the establishment does, only because they get offended.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
You're obviously a left winger...I'm not. I admit it's been a while since I've been in the scene, but I've been involved my whole life in art (until recently), and the Art world is HIGHLY politicized.
Especially in Canada (Canada Arts Council).
factory2590 2 years ago
I'm all for balance. To me, neither the left or the right wings of governments represent balance. I dont identify with either.
What is important is that views are being aired without censorship. In this day and age much is being censored from view in municipal galleries. But it is'nt in the wider context, unless, of course, public art being defaced or people going to prison for graf art.
Step outside of arts council funded exhibitions, theres a hell of a lot going on unregulated.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
To PoetryEater there are some things I can agree with you on,but allot of things not. I've heard from allot of other M.R.A's & we just don't like you,so now that you know your not wanted. In our community fuck off!
crypter27 2 years ago 2
LMFAO well said crypter27 My keyboard is full of coffee now. Thanks. lol
bettyswolloks2 2 years ago
thanks
crypter27 2 years ago
I think it would be easy to say that they attack you with ad hominems, because they have no real arguments to counter yours. I think the real reason, in many cases, is that they are feminist for emotional reasons rather than rational ones. Therefore, they attack you emotionally with anger and spite. This, of course, is very bad because they are following a movement that oppresses half the population; and, they do this just because it feels right.
craziness007 2 years ago
I want to point out that many feminists associate with feminism because it gives the individual the opportunity to define her femininity on her own terms rather than conform to the feminine gender type proscribed for them by society.
This motivation is clearly present in the MRM too when the discussion is at its best. However, just because the MRM associate feminism with the oppression of men does not mean all feminists identify with feminism because they feel compelled to oppress men.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
If that's true, then those women are looking the wrong place. Every outspoken feminist I've ever seen shouts down those who do not agree with her dogma. They do so using shame and ridicule such as in the 'Friday Feminist Fuck You.' If you're a feminist, chances are that you have to conform to the gender type proscribed by feminism. This is what happens when one tries to join a movement in order to define herself as an individual.
craziness007 2 years ago
Just out of curiosity, which gender type exactly do you believe feminism expects feminists to "conform" to?
And why shouldnt feminists be free to openly address and critisize 'public perverts', for example, in their Friday Feminist Fuck You's?
Do you really think it is "dogma" to defend a persons right not to be sexually assulted on public transport, or to call out those who film up the skirts of teenage girls without their knowing about it?
PoetryEater 2 years ago
It might not mean they feel compelled to, but it sure as HELL means they're OK with it happening.
Which plays out as the same type of character (ie, "evil") in my books. Being willing to watch atrocity but not participate is every last bit as bad as actually doing the deeds.
And the absolute BEST thing that can be said about Feminists of every single stripe (including your own) is that they sat back and allowed it to happen.
IOW, not the SS, but still members of the NAZI party.
factory2590 2 years ago
Good video, but hope you do care if some convert, not just becuase of 1 video, but if "they" don't change, the bullshit never will.
EFC100t 2 years ago
Feminists don't have to change, the political power they weild has to change. If politicians stop believing that "going against feminists" will play as "going against women", they'll stop crushing men under the jackboot of the police state.
It's up to us to ensure that being anti-male holds as much political cost as being anti-female.
factory2590 2 years ago
well I think we agree, as more feminist walk away from the hysteria, their political power will lesson. I agree that being pro man is my responsibilty, but changing the way casual feminist idetnify themselves is part of the game, I personally have had some success in moving woman, no men, from the feminist view point,. The few times I have actaully got them to verbzlize this sentiment, I believe has more impact then when it comes from me. Men feminist will follow, their pschology is weak.
EFC100t 2 years ago
Toward the end of this video, in a calm and logical fashion, you completely dismantled the common protestations of venom spitting feminists.
9 times out of 10 the most common tactic employed by feminists and pussy beggars is to derail the debate by accusing the individual of having "issues" and localizing the origins of the grievance.
Feminists and their lapdogs seem to have all graduated from the college of sleazy lobbyist politics. Way to lay the boots to them.
Yourebuying 2 years ago
Could you please define for me the term "pussy beggar"?
heyyoubeindthebushes 2 years ago
People that will do anything for female attention or approval. Usually hoping for sex as a reward.
Women tend to be quite familiar with this type of man, and call him whenever she needs something done around the house...
factory2590 2 years ago
A pussy beggar is any man who intentionally defends the modern feminized woman's position in order TO get laid, or to ensure future sex from the aforementioned if he is getting it.
You don't have to not be having sex to be a pussy beggar. I know too many men who are nothing more than slaves to their own compulsions, and thereby engage in supplicating fealty towards women who don't deserve it.
Yourebuying 2 years ago 2
That's the other half to the equation. If we can demystify women and sex, if we can stop thinking sex is something women have to be wooed into, rather than something they crave every last bit as much as men, THEN we will have a much more level field in the dating world.
As long as getting with a woman is "precious" and "rare", rather than ...er.....sex.....men will continue to make themselves subservient.
factory2590 2 years ago
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That's the other half to the equation. If we can demystify women and sex, if we can stop thinking sex is something women have to be wooed into, rather than something they crave every last bit as much as men, THEN we will have a much more level field in the dating world.
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Well said. In my mind this is priority number nr.1!
Everything else stems from this. The only power feminists have is the power women give them. The only power women have is the power we give them by pursuing them.
AlekNovy 2 years ago
"sex is something women have to be wooed into, rather than something they crave every last bit as much as men"
You're joking right?
WTF is all this about power and women? Do you honestly think that the only power women have is their sex, and that men grant women that power?
lmao heee hee hee
No.
Thats the dumbest stereotype I've heard in a long time.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
That's not the meaning of the paragraph. That's not what it's about. Let me summarize for you:
-Right now we live in a situation where most women have an entitled and spoiled attititude (most, not all)
-This is damaging to both sexes as it creates superficially minded women, and sexually frustrated men
-The main reason this keeps on happening is that most women condition men, by using sex as a leveraging tool
-And the only reason this works is because most men are "chasing pyssy"
AlekNovy 2 years ago