@peakhillfarm I would not blame him for bouncing up and down after it started. The starting system uses shotgun cartridges containing cordite, smaller cousins to the ones used in the Canberra and Spitfire starters. I tried looking for cordite cartridges online, and only one or two sources came up, vintage tractor parts sellers. I think I caught one loop using a regular 12 gauge shell, with the lead poured out of it, but don't try that until it's verified.
@AbuAvital A very good question. Someone can explain better than I can. But it's built in by the manufacturer & its the ignition. Come on somebody tell us how it works??
@AbuAvital The cartridge, which looks very much like an ordinary shotshell, is placed in the breech. That was the bit that he struck with the hammer, it is removed by unscrewing it, sliding the cartridge into position and then screwing it back on again. The little projection that is just visible is the firing pin. Essentially you are loading a small breech loading cannon. Then the flywheel is placed in a suitable position (somewhat after top dead centre) and a valve that allows the gas generated
by the cartridge to enter the cylinder is placed in the open position. When you strike the firing pin, this high pressure and hot gas floods the cylinder and pushes the piston down sharply, rotating the engine quickly enough that it can operate as a diesel the very next compression. The valve previously mentioned is automatically returned to a closed state to prevent any loss of compression through the cartridge start piping. Most farmers and contractors started these tractors by hand as
the cartridges were viewed as a bit expensive for every start. On a cold day though, if you wanted to get going smartly, you might resort to one. Or an old boy might prefer this to hand starting which can wear you out pretty quickly if the tractor is in a bad mood. I'm fairly hale and four hand starting attempts in cold weather can start your heart racing.
I always see people start these with a gun shell, I never see them start them with a flywheel or crank. Think they are a neat tractor and a gunshell is a nice cheap automatic start. Had one of these out pull my john deere A, he almost had a full pull with a little field marshall. Quite strong for a single cylinder.
@Justy330 Depends on the year and model, the Field Marshal Series III was 50 Horse, almost double a John Deere A. Because it's a diesel, the torque curve is almost instant and HP is *right there* off idle where you have to rev up that old A to get any power out of it. I LOVE the sound of my JD A when I make her work a little... the sharp crack of the exhaust is like music.
thats great how much he loves that old tractor.i used to hang out with my pap and work on those old girls i miss those days in the barn.these days if it doesent have a button or a key people are totally lost. cheers to you and your dad for keeping the old girl in such great condition.
When I was a small lad in the early 1950's, Albert White would bring his threshing machine to our farm towed behind his Field Marshal and can remember him starting it with a cartridge. We only had grey fergies.
why does every one worry about starting them with a cartridge they was built for it and as for the crank being week they are 3 inch diamitor so it wont break .its great to see a well loved old tractor
Hope Dad can start it his way for many more years. The grin & the dance he did says it all! Heck even the dog got off on it startin! If Ya need some more cartridges let me know !
Do me a favour everyone who watch's this video. My dads 74 he's survived 4 strokes & prostate cancer. If he wants to start his bloody tractor with a firing cartridge let him. It's his tractor. Stop being so pompous by telling me he should start it with the crank handle. It really annoying.
@peakhillfarm Well you don't want your dad to over do it with the handle so its probally better for him to do it like that. I drivern a Series ! and it was the best tractor I have ever drivern.
Loved the dance as well! the dog was really getting into it also. I dance when I get something spun up that has been down awhile! That's the time to dance is when somethin' starts.
awesome tractor we got one to but it has been sitting for 25 years
Deere1992 1 week ago
i love your dog haha and your old man is the coolest!
stv95yz801 1 month ago
That's awesome
oldiron96 1 month ago
Haha I love the little jig that he does when it fires :) nice one :)
TheRammsteinMan 4 months ago 2
Nice to see a cartidge start. A friend has to start his boss's Field Marshall 3A like that if im not about.
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@peakhillfarm I would not blame him for bouncing up and down after it started. The starting system uses shotgun cartridges containing cordite, smaller cousins to the ones used in the Canberra and Spitfire starters. I tried looking for cordite cartridges online, and only one or two sources came up, vintage tractor parts sellers. I think I caught one loop using a regular 12 gauge shell, with the lead poured out of it, but don't try that until it's verified.
Nighthawke70 6 months ago
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Nighthawke70 6 months ago
Thanks for putting the brilliant video up!
Field Marshall built in my home town by Marshalls & Sons, some of my family would have had a hand in building this one too!
wrecker8888 8 months ago
Can some one explain how the cartridge is used, where it is placed etc? Is this an inovation developed by operators or from the manufacturer?
AbuAvital 8 months ago
@AbuAvital A very good question. Someone can explain better than I can. But it's built in by the manufacturer & its the ignition. Come on somebody tell us how it works??
peakhillfarm 8 months ago
@AbuAvital The cartridge, which looks very much like an ordinary shotshell, is placed in the breech. That was the bit that he struck with the hammer, it is removed by unscrewing it, sliding the cartridge into position and then screwing it back on again. The little projection that is just visible is the firing pin. Essentially you are loading a small breech loading cannon. Then the flywheel is placed in a suitable position (somewhat after top dead centre) and a valve that allows the gas generated
schlusselmensch 5 months ago
by the cartridge to enter the cylinder is placed in the open position. When you strike the firing pin, this high pressure and hot gas floods the cylinder and pushes the piston down sharply, rotating the engine quickly enough that it can operate as a diesel the very next compression. The valve previously mentioned is automatically returned to a closed state to prevent any loss of compression through the cartridge start piping. Most farmers and contractors started these tractors by hand as
schlusselmensch 5 months ago
the cartridges were viewed as a bit expensive for every start. On a cold day though, if you wanted to get going smartly, you might resort to one. Or an old boy might prefer this to hand starting which can wear you out pretty quickly if the tractor is in a bad mood. I'm fairly hale and four hand starting attempts in cold weather can start your heart racing.
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schlusselmensch 5 months ago
This is a great vid, the best bit is your dads dance and the dog going mad. Brilliant!
syharvey10 10 months ago
I always see people start these with a gun shell, I never see them start them with a flywheel or crank. Think they are a neat tractor and a gunshell is a nice cheap automatic start. Had one of these out pull my john deere A, he almost had a full pull with a little field marshall. Quite strong for a single cylinder.
Justy330 10 months ago
@Justy330 Depends on the year and model, the Field Marshal Series III was 50 Horse, almost double a John Deere A. Because it's a diesel, the torque curve is almost instant and HP is *right there* off idle where you have to rev up that old A to get any power out of it. I LOVE the sound of my JD A when I make her work a little... the sharp crack of the exhaust is like music.
BikerBry 9 months ago
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Justy330 10 months ago
thats great how much he loves that old tractor.i used to hang out with my pap and work on those old girls i miss those days in the barn.these days if it doesent have a button or a key people are totally lost. cheers to you and your dad for keeping the old girl in such great condition.
beetlesuzuki72 11 months ago
I think your dad and the tractor are just amazing!
donnyp1966 11 months ago
my friend starts his field marshall exactly the same way as your dad, its lovely to see them doing what they love
MrMarley1964 11 months ago
Love his little dance when it fires!
boo66 11 months ago
When I was a small lad in the early 1950's, Albert White would bring his threshing machine to our farm towed behind his Field Marshal and can remember him starting it with a cartridge. We only had grey fergies.
Tignarius 1 year ago
why does every one worry about starting them with a cartridge they was built for it and as for the crank being week they are 3 inch diamitor so it wont break .its great to see a well loved old tractor
1220marshall 1 year ago 6
Excelant my dad started his like it and only lived to 55. I had forgotten how he did it Thankks for videoing this.
hoppity55 1 year ago
Dogs flipping out t this LOL
MattytheDem 1 year ago
He's a great old guy who is enjoying his hobby!
4thstooge 1 year ago
Hope Dad can start it his way for many more years. The grin & the dance he did says it all! Heck even the dog got off on it startin! If Ya need some more cartridges let me know !
will1093 1 year ago
Fair bit of camber on those wheels. xD
Lukeno52 1 year ago
i like how its right hand drive :)
evilsideracing 1 year ago
well said
MrJamiemarks 1 year ago
Well done Dad, you enjoy your tractor and start it anyway you like!
csmiffy1 1 year ago
I remember one of these at a boatyard I worked at. Only 1 bloke could start it by crank, only when hot, and he was a BIG bugger.
Good on yer Richard :)
spentacle 1 year ago
Lovely machine you have there
Quadman21 1 year ago
i like the duel starting acheived by this method of both tractor and dog
BogenGirl 1 year ago
i agree ,he knows more than all of us put together
fredbcj 1 year ago
Dogzer is very excited about tractors that start :)
Short wheelbased son of a gun - looks like your foot could slip off the clutch and dump it if you were on a hill.
Cool stuff.
NoSleepTilDetox 1 year ago
Great vid. I was born in '46 near Gainsborough and can remember the brand new tractors running up and down the streets.
Mike, Abilene, Texas
duallydriver2 1 year ago
Love that sound
fastmongrel 1 year ago
Do me a favour everyone who watch's this video. My dads 74 he's survived 4 strokes & prostate cancer. If he wants to start his bloody tractor with a firing cartridge let him. It's his tractor. Stop being so pompous by telling me he should start it with the crank handle. It really annoying.
peakhillfarm 1 year ago 43
@peakhillfarm Well you don't want your dad to over do it with the handle so its probally better for him to do it like that. I drivern a Series ! and it was the best tractor I have ever drivern.
goldie103103 1 year ago
@peakhillfarm you don't want ANYONE whose 74 handcranking one of these
MattytheDem 1 year ago
@peakhillfarm
Quite right too. I wondered if it was a cartridge; glad to see I was right.
GrimlyKK 8 months ago
@peakhillfarm Experts only tell you what you cant do.
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pedrocollings 1 year ago
i luv the wise man dance at 1:51!! lol
FunOnTheFarm7 2 years ago
Loved the dance as well! the dog was really getting into it also. I dance when I get something spun up that has been down awhile! That's the time to dance is when somethin' starts.
johneastmond 2 years ago
Great video, The Marshall is my favourite tractor, I can remember sitting on one when I was about six years old and bouncing on the seat as it idled!
Happy days!
steamwally 2 years ago
i rember thouse tractors when i was a kid....they would bounce accross the yard when you went to lunch......lol
MyDavid1960 2 years ago
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Those rims need a set of 'spinners'. Pimp it out!!
hwoods01 2 years ago
What is the "term" for that type of starting method??
hwoods01 2 years ago
@hwoods01 Coffman starting?
twosey76 11 months ago
Nice one Pops,
Liking the little jig and the dog barking.
J5TPT 2 years ago 3
Starting it like that must put a lot of stress on the crankshaft
kerrstuartaxefireman 2 years ago
you are correct it can also split the barrel as well which is an expensive repair
wealllovecheese 2 years ago
sounds good apart from miss firing after hitting the cartridge.
crisp2882 2 years ago
a total classic!! love it
mrspivvy 2 years ago
Thats A Great Field Marshall
Easterntractorboy135 2 years ago
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mountfields 3 years ago
low on compression ???
mountfields 3 years ago 4
Yes apparently it's well overdue for an over hall.
peakhillfarm 3 years ago