@CarolineOskarsson. Europeans also comparatively work less compared to other developed countries i.e. Japan and US. They work less because they have less incentives to work compared to rest of the world because they face significantly higher income tax and extensive welfare system.
It's interesting how this movie doesn't really say anything about who the Empress Dowager is, but just the way she says "He died today" (12:29) sounds like she was kinda malicious pleased about that. And actually she probably poisoned the last Emperor (before Puyi) in the reality.
Wow. It is amazing how many of you have such strong opinions about a country which has nothing to do with you. I am Chinese: no one cares about the emperor, or politics or communism. We have other things to worry about like making money, looking after our families. We don't have so much time as to worry about communism or emperors or anything.
Well, I don't know how Chinese people, you tell me - but I guess Europeans are just more romantic about their history and traditions. We just like to cultivate our past more. And oh yeah, we Europeans love to talk about politics and argue about bullshit. It's probably because in Europe people have more free time than in China...
Chinese people are more poor than europeans and therefor they have to work more. Europeans 200 years ago also had no time to think about kings and politics they had to work in the fields. China has a long way to go but i feel it will become better in time.
@MegaHello2000 Sure!! you don t think about that stuff because of the regime china is under, that s obvious.. (i m not american by the way), but , yes, we have to take care about thinking and talking about politics to improve our countries, check who to vote for , check what are the politics we choose are doing for us, and improving the conditions of life in everyway, that s is part of democracy, we all worry about our country ^^
during the last years of qing dynasty, there was a revolution called the one hundred day reform that was lead by the empror and reformists. However it failed because of the conservatists won over and hunted down all the reformists. reform was not something not tried. it was tried and failed.
@truongquoctuan9 Yes scary and she looks like death.I think she might have scared this little PU YI to death.Just like the dragons and other eunuchs.Poor little boy taken away from his family at 2 years and a half actually.He grew without his ma,and had only a nurse and eunuchs to take care of him.This baby boy is adorable!But no stunning he became tyrannic and had two wives and he cut his wrists.He was unhappy inside and terribly traumatized.The beginning where he cuts his wrists is awful.
the director should respect Chinese culture, do some research before making the movie. some dresses in this movie don't even belong to this period. i guess for any Chinese this movie is bit funny to watch.
@zsvoyage In fact the director did a good job. Cos if you read history and review historical photos at her time, she liked to watch and dress up as characters in the play "journey to the west", that's why the maids and eunuches dressed up that way to entertain her.
Such rich and elaborate culture all attenued over thousands of years,crushed by a senseless perverted uniformity called communism.That is the "Tragic Ballad of Emperor Puyi" and that of China.Our royals and old traditions are our bloodline especially to nations as old as India and China.In India we had our own villains who sponsered by socialist idealogy destroyed our rich ancient systems.Today all we Indians have remaining of Indian culture is the mantle ""cradle of civilisation"".Worse in cina
@cillantro Useless traditions, culture is fine but not when it weights you down. If not for communism China who knows what would have happened to China, probably it would have been robed and occupied at will from all sides.
@Cyricist001 As a matter of fact Asians thrived when we had our own cultures.India controlled a third to fourth of world economy(largest)for 1500 years during middle ages from 2nd century BC to 13th century AD.China was rich and invented stuff too.Had euros been able to maintain their naturalist/panthenist traditions and religions,colonialism would'nt have happened.Look at W/Neuropean nations(except france)they have their traditions/royalty and yet are developed.Only cultureless commies are poor
@cillantro If the Roman civilization newer fell, we would have been underdeveloped even today. The end off the decadent Roman empire gave us the possibility of advancement. Europa achieved the economical strength of the Roman empire only in the 18.century but our disunity made us strong and inventive. European nations thrive on destruction and change, we strive for the old in the same time we put it to the torch. Our Royalty cant be compered to Chinese, look at the dynasties.
@Cyricist001 I was talking about pre/roman panthenist/naturalist emperors.As a matter of fact even during Emperor Constatine's time ppl were panthenist.He adopted christianity because inter-religious strife was tearing rome apart.This new religion was seen as a political tool and the northern crusades were conducted to christianise all europe.The papal states had power over deciding who would rule what nation without any concensus.Without christianity,europe would not have been a coloniser IMHO.
@cillantro Probably not, Christianity gave that fanatical drive that was needed to "depopulate" other continents.
No mater how much I dislike her, the church has unified Europa to a large extent, and preserved the Greek/Roman achievements. But that's what I like about this continent, the destruction of all. All can be put to fire: books, cities, nations, civilizations, people our greatest mistakes and our greatest achievements. How long do you think theEU if it becomes a real union will survive?
@Cyricist001 EU today does'nt want any troubles.Thats why they have been avoiding wars and thats the point of the EU,I don't think it is some imperialist pipe dream.Europe today is ageing and western/northern parts have a good standard of living.They want to buy off parts with a younger median age so their economies can thrive.It does'nt need to invade anyone to expand,any country would join EU.I like the true federationalism they follow suisse style!Its not the USSR or US of Euro! Long live EU!
@cillantro Standard yes, but people are not alive, they live in apathy and try to fill it with hedonism. The EU is expanding on nations that have a bad economy, that makes problems with exports, weak nations are crushed under the goods of the power houses, systematically leaving only markets without domestic competition.
I support the EU, but I don't like there meddling in trivial things, and allowing weak nations to become members so the EU would solve there problems is contra productive.
@Cyricist001 The point you put across is valid and interesting but weak nations anyway don't have a big export segment.EU tries to rein in weaker nations because these lower per capita nations have cheap labour.This helps the industries and banks in Germany and brussels/luxembourg without having to outsource all those industries.They make the people work for it and sell it to them!Makes europe competitive.The structural funds are what weaker countries are after.Without that many will be done wth
@cillantro They make there businesses stronger true, but they also get there professional workers unimplemented, but its rear that industrial facilities are build in such places, they only get the super markets and they don employ to many people. Not to mention the consumption of imports heightens the national dept and without ind. it cant be replayed.
@Cyricist001 with the security of structural funds they don't really have to worry about debt.India has to worry about debt and inflation but portugal/bulgaria does'nt to put a point across.They have socialist governments who undertake lavish social security schemes and unemployment doles but never invest much in infrastructure or local business growth via soft loans.Portugal and Spain are examples where their socialist got have brought a nanny state and unemployment.Czech rep/Ireland are models
@BBwoan kuomingtang did well for Taiwan did'nt it?Besides yes it did tear china through civili war but so did all warlords vying for power.It has been so time immemorial,the way china managed to reinvent itself lied in its cultural learnings.COmmunism and western imperialism have destroyed it forever.
its sad nothing lasts forever. even though all rich and beautiful things will end, at least we can create with our own hands, something new and beautiful that will also last for others to enjoy...for a time.
"it is not our power to govern all the tides of the world, but to make sure what we have -now- is not swept away"
@YoungKoolness17 ?!?! Are you implying that enlightened monarchy does not exist or has never existed?Emperor Show who surrendered his honor to save his people?Emperor Meiji who destoryed the aristocracy(samurai/shoguns)to modernise Japan in 1880s? What about benevolent dictators like Aung Park cheung hee and lee kuan yew or many more such I can quote?
@cillantro emperor showa, and china will never be united like the japanese people, unless communism happens, there you go. china is not a one race dominated country like japan, so they will never really work togethor unless they are forced to
@YoungKoolness17 You said "china will never be united like the japanese people, unless communism happens"...thats bull crap,sorry to say.During the Ming dynasty chinese were one.During the Han dynasty too.When the Mongolians took over you remaind one.Majority of chinese speak the Han dialect.Even in cantonese regions,ethno linguistic division are not a big issue.Chinese(all 56 tribes)were unitied by the emperors not by these commie crooks.Japan is socialistic,now that they are advanced/developed
@cillantro lol the ming dynasty was anything but united, they were corrupt and the manchus didn't defeat the mings by full force like the kublai khan, they formed alliances with their so called "generals" one famous ming general even let the manchus in the castle gates with some deal or something, safe to say the last ming emperor tried his best to save the dynasty but decades of corruption cannot be erased
@cillantro who ever wrote this probably does not know shit about how the qing history. the major reason for its end was the corruption within the royal family. during its final years, the empress took money from the military funding and used it for her park which lead to its defeat by the japanese. I am sorry to inform you that corruption was the major cause for many of the dynasties in chinese history.
@eastern2western kay but why did China not evolve a form of constitutional monarchy?because the people had no say.Period! The CCP is equally corrupt,if not more.$100 billions railway scam being the latest.Our royals were not as corrupt as we are lead to believe.
@cillantro it did not evolved into a constitutional monarchy because the manchurian court did not want to surrender its power to the parliament. which eventually lead to its collapse in 1912 and caused internal civil conflicts until 1949. currentlly, ccp is pretty corrupted but its miliary spending is sure sufficient to defend china from foreign invaders. However, ccp is a product of the circumstances during its time and not responsible for the collapse of the manchurian court.
@eastern2western Really?You think an educated and modern Emperor Puyi could not have done a Meiji on China?He was a capitalist out and out,your modern china is so only because of deng xiao ping and that too after nearly half a century of communist oppression.If Puyi was around modernisation would have started around the 50s.Atleast if Kongmingtang had won the mainland would be prosperous today with high GDP per capita,not the third world country it is.Same can be said here.BTW Japan rocks socks
@cillantro u give a lot of wonderful ifs, but history is history and there is nothing we can do to change it. even if the manchurians stay in power, they would not adapt themselves to the modern ways because they were the ones who responsible for shutting china's doors for 300 plus years while the world around them was changing. yes, history is history and there is no returning to history to change it.
@eastern2western But Puyi was educated was'nt he?Will you choose a foreigner(British,German,French,Japanese etc) over one of your own?I doubt so...besides the manchurians were already cinisised enough by Puyi's time...you were hsi people and he was your emperor.He was a worldy man and would have done a world of good for cina by industrialising china early on.
@cillantro true, it took one man with a vision but he had the support of a nation. However, the qing system was very old and outdated that a lot of the manchurian court simply did not perfer modernization at all and did not want to support modernization. by the time puyi was old enough to make a difference, his manchurian court was simply a ghost of the past. you could use a lot of what ifs, but history is about the events which already occured and there is nothing we can do to change it.
@eastern2western The resistance faced by Emperor Meiji at the hands of the bakafu was stiff!I am sure Emperor Puyi also had his supporters...leave alone Puyi,even had the kongmingtang and the nationalists come to power in the mainland instead of the commies,China would be a developed country today as is Taiwan,would it not?What pride is there in calling oneself a Chinese or Indian today? other than the fact that we are the ancient cradles of civilisation the only ones to keep our culture intact?
@cillantro I think your missing the point of this film somewhat, pre-communist China wasn't exactly a bed of roses, it was a brutal, empirical regime ruled by monarchs who lived outside moral law because the were considered divine, it was then replaced by an equally brutal and emipirical regime that played lip-service to socialist ideals but in effect wasn't much better. Mao Zedong was the real last emperor of China.
@slobbydag AN educated emperor would atleast go on with economic reforms for without that,his empire would be very shaky....just look at Bahrain and other sheikdoms in the middle east...people get a share of the oil loot and the sultans/sheiks keep their absolute power...it is a very delicate balance!
@slobbydag Agree. That being said, contemporary China is at least as ruthless as Maoist era or imperial time. I don't think the life of the Chinese workers that build our iphones is better than it was 30 or 150 years ago.
@IZn0g0uDatAll But that is the founding stone for a more prosperous china,is it not?Today they sweat in workhouses/factories making iphones because their ancestors were pretty reckless with regards to family planning and population control.In the future if all goes well,their children will live a life of prosperity,will they not?Democracy is not fit for a country with a billion plus population and abject poverty amongst its people
@cillantro What because you think capitalism didn't demolish western culture the way communism destroyed the Chinese one? Britney Spears and Mc Donald are not worth more than Mao and the little red book.
I agreed. Expect the old system was so corrupt that is forces the people to embark on communism and socialism. Such revolution is a romantic idea for the working class yet the results is never what they idealized.
@jigsaw99 Fact,I feel a practical proletiriat like the ones in SIngapore,South korea and Taiwan before they industrialised is what is needed.This can come through the emperor as well.
@Vampiric59 I dunno where u from, where i m from we still have communist party, so comunist people...and yes F*** them all!!!!!! thanx here we already f***** a good number of them, fiuuuuuuu!!
@CarolineOskarsson. Europeans also comparatively work less compared to other developed countries i.e. Japan and US. They work less because they have less incentives to work compared to rest of the world because they face significantly higher income tax and extensive welfare system.
TKKTism 2 weeks ago
haziq.. we have 9 house of royal family in malaysia
gurikHanj 2 weeks ago
Hello, i'm from malaysiaaa. i'm feel sorry to pui yi fate. he's the victim of the situationn. respect to chinese imperial!!!!
haziq4093 3 weeks ago
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It's interesting how this movie doesn't really say anything about who the Empress Dowager is, but just the way she says "He died today" (12:29) sounds like she was kinda malicious pleased about that. And actually she probably poisoned the last Emperor (before Puyi) in the reality.
tajniak4 1 month ago
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tajniak4 1 month ago
Wow. It is amazing how many of you have such strong opinions about a country which has nothing to do with you. I am Chinese: no one cares about the emperor, or politics or communism. We have other things to worry about like making money, looking after our families. We don't have so much time as to worry about communism or emperors or anything.
MegaHello2000 1 month ago
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Well, I don't know how Chinese people, you tell me - but I guess Europeans are just more romantic about their history and traditions. We just like to cultivate our past more. And oh yeah, we Europeans love to talk about politics and argue about bullshit. It's probably because in Europe people have more free time than in China...
tajniak4 1 month ago
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Chinese people are more poor than europeans and therefor they have to work more. Europeans 200 years ago also had no time to think about kings and politics they had to work in the fields. China has a long way to go but i feel it will become better in time.
CarolineOskarsson 1 month ago
@MegaHello2000 Sure!! you don t think about that stuff because of the regime china is under, that s obvious.. (i m not american by the way), but , yes, we have to take care about thinking and talking about politics to improve our countries, check who to vote for , check what are the politics we choose are doing for us, and improving the conditions of life in everyway, that s is part of democracy, we all worry about our country ^^
angelicaloprado09 5 days ago
Yeah, get me a bowl of that soup...
antihero355 1 month ago
This is pretentious. Feels fake. less than the sum of its parts.
mrteemumilto 1 month ago
This movie bored me as a second grader.
mrteemumilto 1 month ago
溥儀は東京裁判において偽証した。どうでもいいけど。
TheGUILTY2009 2 months ago
Ryuichi Sakamoto is very very good.
TheGUILTY2009 2 months ago
11:01 ...
TheWisemonkey8 2 months ago
Godverdomme wat een kut filmpje
NoName21098 2 months ago
during the last years of qing dynasty, there was a revolution called the one hundred day reform that was lead by the empror and reformists. However it failed because of the conservatists won over and hunted down all the reformists. reform was not something not tried. it was tried and failed.
eastern2western 3 months ago
k gran pelicula excelente realizacion lone trabaja muy bien y sakamoto hizo una preciosa musica INOLVIDABLE
romiwina1 3 months ago
吳國良(尊龍)飾演愛新覺羅‧溥儀0:24
陳冲飾演郭布羅‧婉容0:29
英若誠飾演典獄長0:51
黃自強飾演陳寶琛0:55
鄔君梅飾演文繡1:01
坂本龍一飾演甘粕正彦1:13
MrSiaochu 3 months ago
I must say chinese food during manchu dynasty is hard to eat compared food from the olden days
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
the little boy is so cute
NikiSwe 3 months ago
those red robed people made such a racket that even if she was dead, she'd wake up.
SangoKikOme 4 months ago
thank you really much for uploading.
chinalover2702 5 months ago 2
The Grand Queen look scary
truongquoctuan9 6 months ago 14
@truongquoctuan9 Yes scary and she looks like death.I think she might have scared this little PU YI to death.Just like the dragons and other eunuchs.Poor little boy taken away from his family at 2 years and a half actually.He grew without his ma,and had only a nurse and eunuchs to take care of him.This baby boy is adorable!But no stunning he became tyrannic and had two wives and he cut his wrists.He was unhappy inside and terribly traumatized.The beginning where he cuts his wrists is awful.
fisteberg 1 month ago
@fisteberg Tthat true Lol
truongquoctuan9 1 month ago
@fisteberg oh! don t tell me what i haven t seen yet pls!! XD
angelicaloprado09 5 days ago
@truongquoctuan9 empress not queen
edgehhh613 1 week ago
music is awesome ~~
helenissomoliu 6 months ago
BBBOOOOOOOOBBBIIIIIIIIBOOOOOOOOOBIIIIIIBBBEEEEEE *cuts off*........ O.O uumm... oook?
dave01123 7 months ago
Thanks for uploading I've been searching for this for some quite time.
The kid is sooo cute <3
iiTraffel11 7 months ago
Turtle soup Hmmmm NICE!!!:)
gorgantsang 7 months ago
thank you so much
insomnia1996 8 months ago
Oh cool, this one is a better quality ,
lazziieut 8 months ago
NOOO TALKIN.....obey THe GUARDS!!...
espigeromaximo 9 months ago
in all "credits" do not appear "bolo yeung"...why??
espigeromaximo 9 months ago
for that reason i love beef chop suey and rice with shrimp!!...i hate japanese food!
espigeromaximo 9 months ago
the director should respect Chinese culture, do some research before making the movie. some dresses in this movie don't even belong to this period. i guess for any Chinese this movie is bit funny to watch.
zsvoyage 9 months ago
@zsvoyage In fact the director did a good job. Cos if you read history and review historical photos at her time, she liked to watch and dress up as characters in the play "journey to the west", that's why the maids and eunuches dressed up that way to entertain her.
angelinachiu 7 months ago
thanks so much for posting this beautiful unforgettable film!
Chemgirl99 9 months ago
Such rich and elaborate culture all attenued over thousands of years,crushed by a senseless perverted uniformity called communism.That is the "Tragic Ballad of Emperor Puyi" and that of China.Our royals and old traditions are our bloodline especially to nations as old as India and China.In India we had our own villains who sponsered by socialist idealogy destroyed our rich ancient systems.Today all we Indians have remaining of Indian culture is the mantle ""cradle of civilisation"".Worse in cina
cillantro 10 months ago 23
@cillantro Useless traditions, culture is fine but not when it weights you down. If not for communism China who knows what would have happened to China, probably it would have been robed and occupied at will from all sides.
Cyricist001 9 months ago
@Cyricist001 As a matter of fact Asians thrived when we had our own cultures.India controlled a third to fourth of world economy(largest)for 1500 years during middle ages from 2nd century BC to 13th century AD.China was rich and invented stuff too.Had euros been able to maintain their naturalist/panthenist traditions and religions,colonialism would'nt have happened.Look at W/Neuropean nations(except france)they have their traditions/royalty and yet are developed.Only cultureless commies are poor
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro If the Roman civilization newer fell, we would have been underdeveloped even today. The end off the decadent Roman empire gave us the possibility of advancement. Europa achieved the economical strength of the Roman empire only in the 18.century but our disunity made us strong and inventive. European nations thrive on destruction and change, we strive for the old in the same time we put it to the torch. Our Royalty cant be compered to Chinese, look at the dynasties.
Cyricist001 9 months ago 5
@Cyricist001 I was talking about pre/roman panthenist/naturalist emperors.As a matter of fact even during Emperor Constatine's time ppl were panthenist.He adopted christianity because inter-religious strife was tearing rome apart.This new religion was seen as a political tool and the northern crusades were conducted to christianise all europe.The papal states had power over deciding who would rule what nation without any concensus.Without christianity,europe would not have been a coloniser IMHO.
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro Probably not, Christianity gave that fanatical drive that was needed to "depopulate" other continents.
No mater how much I dislike her, the church has unified Europa to a large extent, and preserved the Greek/Roman achievements. But that's what I like about this continent, the destruction of all. All can be put to fire: books, cities, nations, civilizations, people our greatest mistakes and our greatest achievements. How long do you think theEU if it becomes a real union will survive?
Cyricist001 9 months ago
@Cyricist001 EU today does'nt want any troubles.Thats why they have been avoiding wars and thats the point of the EU,I don't think it is some imperialist pipe dream.Europe today is ageing and western/northern parts have a good standard of living.They want to buy off parts with a younger median age so their economies can thrive.It does'nt need to invade anyone to expand,any country would join EU.I like the true federationalism they follow suisse style!Its not the USSR or US of Euro! Long live EU!
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro Standard yes, but people are not alive, they live in apathy and try to fill it with hedonism. The EU is expanding on nations that have a bad economy, that makes problems with exports, weak nations are crushed under the goods of the power houses, systematically leaving only markets without domestic competition.
I support the EU, but I don't like there meddling in trivial things, and allowing weak nations to become members so the EU would solve there problems is contra productive.
Cyricist001 9 months ago
@Cyricist001 The point you put across is valid and interesting but weak nations anyway don't have a big export segment.EU tries to rein in weaker nations because these lower per capita nations have cheap labour.This helps the industries and banks in Germany and brussels/luxembourg without having to outsource all those industries.They make the people work for it and sell it to them!Makes europe competitive.The structural funds are what weaker countries are after.Without that many will be done wth
cillantro 9 months ago
@cillantro They make there businesses stronger true, but they also get there professional workers unimplemented, but its rear that industrial facilities are build in such places, they only get the super markets and they don employ to many people. Not to mention the consumption of imports heightens the national dept and without ind. it cant be replayed.
Cyricist001 8 months ago
@Cyricist001 with the security of structural funds they don't really have to worry about debt.India has to worry about debt and inflation but portugal/bulgaria does'nt to put a point across.They have socialist governments who undertake lavish social security schemes and unemployment doles but never invest much in infrastructure or local business growth via soft loans.Portugal and Spain are examples where their socialist got have brought a nanny state and unemployment.Czech rep/Ireland are models
cillantro 8 months ago
@cillantro Well said...hmmm...
jow5588 5 months ago
@cillantro Crushed by guomingdang and western invasion. Communism came later.
BBwoan 4 months ago
@BBwoan kuomingtang did well for Taiwan did'nt it?Besides yes it did tear china through civili war but so did all warlords vying for power.It has been so time immemorial,the way china managed to reinvent itself lied in its cultural learnings.COmmunism and western imperialism have destroyed it forever.
cillantro 4 months ago
@cillantro
its sad nothing lasts forever. even though all rich and beautiful things will end, at least we can create with our own hands, something new and beautiful that will also last for others to enjoy...for a time.
"it is not our power to govern all the tides of the world, but to make sure what we have -now- is not swept away"
SangoKikOme 4 months ago
@cillantro do you think "DEMOCRACY" would work in a country that has over 2 billion people?
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
@YoungKoolness17 Well what about enlightened monarchy?
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro lol ok go play warcraft little boy
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
@YoungKoolness17 ?!?! Are you implying that enlightened monarchy does not exist or has never existed?Emperor Show who surrendered his honor to save his people?Emperor Meiji who destoryed the aristocracy(samurai/shoguns)to modernise Japan in 1880s? What about benevolent dictators like Aung Park cheung hee and lee kuan yew or many more such I can quote?
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro emperor showa, and china will never be united like the japanese people, unless communism happens, there you go. china is not a one race dominated country like japan, so they will never really work togethor unless they are forced to
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
@YoungKoolness17 You said "china will never be united like the japanese people, unless communism happens"...thats bull crap,sorry to say.During the Ming dynasty chinese were one.During the Han dynasty too.When the Mongolians took over you remaind one.Majority of chinese speak the Han dialect.Even in cantonese regions,ethno linguistic division are not a big issue.Chinese(all 56 tribes)were unitied by the emperors not by these commie crooks.Japan is socialistic,now that they are advanced/developed
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro lol the ming dynasty was anything but united, they were corrupt and the manchus didn't defeat the mings by full force like the kublai khan, they formed alliances with their so called "generals" one famous ming general even let the manchus in the castle gates with some deal or something, safe to say the last ming emperor tried his best to save the dynasty but decades of corruption cannot be erased
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
@YoungKoolness17 I know it is emperor SHowa...LOL
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro might i also add if you step deep into japanese society you will learn they have their own style of "communism"
YoungKoolness17 3 months ago
@cillantro who ever wrote this probably does not know shit about how the qing history. the major reason for its end was the corruption within the royal family. during its final years, the empress took money from the military funding and used it for her park which lead to its defeat by the japanese. I am sorry to inform you that corruption was the major cause for many of the dynasties in chinese history.
eastern2western 3 months ago
@eastern2western kay but why did China not evolve a form of constitutional monarchy?because the people had no say.Period! The CCP is equally corrupt,if not more.$100 billions railway scam being the latest.Our royals were not as corrupt as we are lead to believe.
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro it did not evolved into a constitutional monarchy because the manchurian court did not want to surrender its power to the parliament. which eventually lead to its collapse in 1912 and caused internal civil conflicts until 1949. currentlly, ccp is pretty corrupted but its miliary spending is sure sufficient to defend china from foreign invaders. However, ccp is a product of the circumstances during its time and not responsible for the collapse of the manchurian court.
eastern2western 3 months ago
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cillantro 3 months ago
@eastern2western Really?You think an educated and modern Emperor Puyi could not have done a Meiji on China?He was a capitalist out and out,your modern china is so only because of deng xiao ping and that too after nearly half a century of communist oppression.If Puyi was around modernisation would have started around the 50s.Atleast if Kongmingtang had won the mainland would be prosperous today with high GDP per capita,not the third world country it is.Same can be said here.BTW Japan rocks socks
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro u give a lot of wonderful ifs, but history is history and there is nothing we can do to change it. even if the manchurians stay in power, they would not adapt themselves to the modern ways because they were the ones who responsible for shutting china's doors for 300 plus years while the world around them was changing. yes, history is history and there is no returning to history to change it.
eastern2western 3 months ago
@eastern2western But Puyi was educated was'nt he?Will you choose a foreigner(British,German,French,Japanese etc) over one of your own?I doubt so...besides the manchurians were already cinisised enough by Puyi's time...you were hsi people and he was your emperor.He was a worldy man and would have done a world of good for cina by industrialising china early on.
cillantro 3 months ago
@eastern2western Japanese did the same but industrialised within 20-30 years(Meiji era)...all it took was one man with a vision and all the power!
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro true, it took one man with a vision but he had the support of a nation. However, the qing system was very old and outdated that a lot of the manchurian court simply did not perfer modernization at all and did not want to support modernization. by the time puyi was old enough to make a difference, his manchurian court was simply a ghost of the past. you could use a lot of what ifs, but history is about the events which already occured and there is nothing we can do to change it.
eastern2western 3 months ago
@eastern2western The resistance faced by Emperor Meiji at the hands of the bakafu was stiff!I am sure Emperor Puyi also had his supporters...leave alone Puyi,even had the kongmingtang and the nationalists come to power in the mainland instead of the commies,China would be a developed country today as is Taiwan,would it not?What pride is there in calling oneself a Chinese or Indian today? other than the fact that we are the ancient cradles of civilisation the only ones to keep our culture intact?
cillantro 3 months ago
@cillantro I think your missing the point of this film somewhat, pre-communist China wasn't exactly a bed of roses, it was a brutal, empirical regime ruled by monarchs who lived outside moral law because the were considered divine, it was then replaced by an equally brutal and emipirical regime that played lip-service to socialist ideals but in effect wasn't much better. Mao Zedong was the real last emperor of China.
slobbydag 2 months ago 3
@slobbydag AN educated emperor would atleast go on with economic reforms for without that,his empire would be very shaky....just look at Bahrain and other sheikdoms in the middle east...people get a share of the oil loot and the sultans/sheiks keep their absolute power...it is a very delicate balance!
cillantro 2 months ago
@slobbydag Agree. That being said, contemporary China is at least as ruthless as Maoist era or imperial time. I don't think the life of the Chinese workers that build our iphones is better than it was 30 or 150 years ago.
IZn0g0uDatAll 2 months ago
@IZn0g0uDatAll But that is the founding stone for a more prosperous china,is it not?Today they sweat in workhouses/factories making iphones because their ancestors were pretty reckless with regards to family planning and population control.In the future if all goes well,their children will live a life of prosperity,will they not?Democracy is not fit for a country with a billion plus population and abject poverty amongst its people
cillantro 2 months ago
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fisteberg 1 month ago
@cillantro What because you think capitalism didn't demolish western culture the way communism destroyed the Chinese one? Britney Spears and Mc Donald are not worth more than Mao and the little red book.
IZn0g0uDatAll 2 months ago
@IZn0g0uDatAll Capitalism is not the destroyer,globalism is!
cillantro 2 months ago
@cillantro Communism or Marxism is not the destroyer, leninist totalitarism is!
IZn0g0uDatAll 2 months ago
@cillantro
I agreed. Expect the old system was so corrupt that is forces the people to embark on communism and socialism. Such revolution is a romantic idea for the working class yet the results is never what they idealized.
jigsaw99 2 months ago
@jigsaw99 Fact,I feel a practical proletiriat like the ones in SIngapore,South korea and Taiwan before they industrialised is what is needed.This can come through the emperor as well.
cillantro 2 months ago
@cillantro FUCK THE COMMUNISTS
LONG LIVE IMPERIAL CHINA
Vampiric59 1 month ago
@Vampiric59 my friend....it's gone.....with the wind....let it go....
q8tenchi 1 month ago
@Vampiric59 I dunno where u from, where i m from we still have communist party, so comunist people...and yes F*** them all!!!!!! thanx here we already f***** a good number of them, fiuuuuuuu!!
angelicaloprado09 5 days ago