Okay, I have respect for her, but she should of joined the circle. I understad she doesn't believe in God and that's okay, that's her lose, but if she had respect for her team, she should of stood in the circle as a team player.
Fuck America. In Germany, this fuckery doesn't happen. Stand up for what you feel is right. The school can actually be sued for this. Shut the fucking school down!
Liberty and justice for all, except if you don't believe in our indoctrination system without empirical, evidence that is. Separation of Church and state please.
These godsuckers are getting way out of hand. Wake up to reality! Escape from the 3rd Century! Keep it real! And congratulations to you for being a brave, freethinking girl.
You are so right to stand for this! We need more girls like you! Can't believe that is happening to you. Most americans are extremely stupid or whatever was that other sinonim, oh yeah.. religious. KEEP IT UP GIRL! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
You must have realized that you can’t actually insult the moral principle of secularisation, to which this girl publically advocated, and chose instead to label her defiance as attention seeking.
Imagine the reverse of this: If you were kicked out of school for requesting to pray before the game! How angry you would be! There is no way you can defend such ignorant, self-righteous statement.
She was not offended by God. She was offended by discriminatory ostracism, perpetuated by the superiors in the school, for not adhering to a belief that was not supposed to be in public schools in the first place; a fact that is protected by the constitution. As well as that, she was probably offended by the resulting expulsion from her school, one that she has every right to be at. This is blatant discrimination against the non-religious. Clear now?
@MaxamillianArturo She can be offended by the people who believe in God. For example, if they make racist remarks, or etc, the girl can get offended by them.
@MaxamillianArturo Would you be OK if before a game you were to take part in, you had to say "Even though God doesn't exist, we will win this game" or something? Would you go along with it to avoid causing a scene? Would it not offend you, because you knew that wasn't true anyway?
@Blue5tar I wouldn't be offended by someone elses' right to believe what they want. See that's the problem with most atheists. They blab about freedom and the Constitution but do not seem to realize that the Constitution doesn't only protect their rights but also the rights of those who believe differently from them. The problem with this country is everyone is so touchy and sensitive. We live in the United States of the Offended. People need to grow a set.
@MaxamillianArturo So if the school held a circle before the game where they chanted "God is a lie" or pledged their allegiance to the Pope, you would not stand up for the rights of someone kicked out for refusing to do so? How very spinless.
@MaxamillianArturo As for "The offended" at the moment, it is the Christians who are offended because the prayer banner has been removed. I presume they should just "Grow a set" and get on with it?
@RichardScroter No shit Sherlock. Had it been a Christian school I would think the person would have had sense enough to go to another school since they are so offended by other people's lifestyles.
@MaxamillianArturo The separation of church and state is stated clearly in the Constitution. It keeps government out of church business and the church out of government business for a reason. You can't put up a nativity scene at the courthouse because then you'd have to also put up a menorah, an image of Vishnu, or the Pope, and on and on. So, to be fair, the Constitution says no to everyone equally. No means no. No images, no prayers, nothing religious in a public arena.
@politicoochie09 The children of a school are allowed to have prayer. It's just not allowed to be lead by the faculty of said establishment. Just sayin...
I am a Proud American Atheist who does Not Trust Your Fake Middle Eastern Make Believe goD which is based on Blind Faith for a Fool. America is a PROUD SECULAR NATION which does not build its crediblity around a Make Believe goD which We do not Trust. Your Fake Flat Earth Middle Eastern Abrahamic goD and your fake Flat Earth Middle Eastern Devil are both Ass Holes and they both should be put to death for their war crimes against the Free World
Ok, people like you, sorry. The world has too much. First of all you can't be proud to be an american, because you did not choose to be born in america, it just happened. And you cant even be proud to be an atheist, this is why the word atheism and it's meaning got this bad image, because people like you saying that they're proud of that. You're an atheist, so what? You want an award? There is none. Get over it!
The school would have had every right to force you to pray if it was a Christian school.
If it's a public school, they can expect a certain number of students to be Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, atheist or whatever other denomination you can think of. Public schools should never, ever, force kids to pray.
if people want to pray let them pray, if people don't want to pray then don't make them, it is that simple people are to stupid to understand human rights...
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be like the hypocrites for they love to pray in the streets and be seen, but when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, shut thy door and pray to thy father in secret"----the Bible
This is a sporting event, NOT a church. She had every right not to join in that circle and glad she didn't. She was kicked out for not joining in some religious prayer? It's ridiculous and hypocritical. Glad she stood her gournd and not give in to that mess. She has her beliefs and they have theirs, and they should have respected that. Hope she won this lawsuit.
@hyliabay89 Why didnt the school support her beliefs? What this young lady did through her defiance was expose corruption in her school.She could've been the "bigger person" and she was. She was brave and resiliant in the face of obnoxious ignorance and piety. It has nothing with choosing your battles, it has everything with fighting for equal rights no matter the cost. We all could put our heads down in the face of tyranny and not suffer the consequences, but Im nobodys bitch.
It is disqusting to me that a school would discriminate against a student because of their religious beliefs in MODERN America. We have the capacity as a society to move past religious intolerance and dogma and progress in our scientific understanding of the world but those who persist in indoctrinating children into religious faiths are holding us back from this.
you were basically expelled because you didn't stand in the prayer circle with your teammates? I understand you stood up for what you believed in, and that deserves a round of applause. However, you might have to pick your battles, it would have been easier to just stand there with your teammates, and show everyone that you still support your team and their beliefs. Even if they clearly don't support yours. I know its a public school and all beliefs should be respected, but thats an ideal world
@dalhar20 its not 'normal' but just so happens to be the majority ruling religion and belief system in her school. She doesn't have to forfeit her self respect, I'm applauding her for standing up against the majority.However, I'm just stating it would have been easier to pick her battles, and stand beside her teammates and be the bigger person, supporting their beliefs. Even if they clearly don't support hers. Less hassle than being expelled, she could have filed an official complaint or request
@hyliabay89 But, she clearly did NOT support the team's beliefs. And if you want an "ideal world", doing nothing is not the way to obtain it. She did the right thing. The people condemning her (throwing stones metaphorically) are the ones in the wrong.
@politicoochie09 Nope. The people condemning her just disagree with her. They are no more wrong, than they think you are wrong. Its a matter of opinion.
@vidfreak56 No, it's not just a "matter of opinion." This was not just a discussion. This affected people's lives. Actions were taken. Those actions had consequences. Do you not know the difference between a discussion and an action? Someone HAS to be wrong here, otherwise there would not be all these people arguing over the outcome.
@politicoochie09 Actions were taken yes. Does that matter? No. You seem to think you're entitled to be left alone. No one is born w/ that right. You have no natural (and objective) right to not have action taken against you. Regardless of who you are and what you desire. The very fact that this person didnt involve herself, effected those around her. No one has to be wrong here. Someone position will be legal and someones illegal. That will determine the outcome.
@vidfreak56 I never said anything about entitlements. I never said anything about the "right to be left alone". I never said anything about being born with any particular right, nor did I imply such. But, I stand by my correction of your statement by saying that it goes beyond a simple "matter of opinion." There are laws already on the books that stipulate a specific separation of church and state for which this action in is a clear violation. Your original statement was a verbal "shrug".
@politicoochie09 Nope. That again is a legal matter not a matter of right and wrong. Why? Because law doesnt dictate right and wrong...only who is justified and who isnt. Prohibition is a perfect example of a law that doesnt make a person wrong for breaking it. I believe Ive stated over and over again that its a legal matter and not a matter of correct behavior. My original statement still stands against yours. Legality != objective wrong.
@vidfreak56 You're splitting hairs trying to define what "wrong" is. My original statement had nothing to do with legality. It had to do with the fact that you shrugged this off as simply a "matter of opinion" -- your words. That was either you stating the obvious, or you were trying to make a point that it had little significance either way. That makes you WRONG in the heuristic sense, because as I stated, this was something that had two very opposite sides, and one of them was inappropriate.
@politicoochie09 The "right and wrong" is a matter of opinion. Your just a propagandist. The only thing that is pertinent here is what is legal. Thats all. By calling someone wrong you are saying they are objectively so. You cant prove this. Hence it is mere subjective belief and hence opinion. "one was inppropriate" That is a perfect example of opinion. Saying someone is wrong for the way they behave is like me saying you are wrong for liking the color green.
@politicoochie09 of course she did the right thing, i said i was applauding her actions. i was just saying to pick her battles, MAYBE it would have been easier for her to just stand there with the majority, and file a formal complaint or speak to the ombudsperson or counsellor of the school in question. But clearly she would have had no hindsight that the school would punish her so severely as to expel the poor girl! In a perfect world she would be allowed to stand aside and exercise her rights
@sol3a1 Unfortunately it is a one way street, and obviously in an ideal and perfect world, she would be allowed to simply step aside and have her teammates support her decision completely. However, it's not a perfect world, and she was an outcast for her actions and expelled. I applaud her actions as I stated before, but just stating that she could have picked her battles, and instead of being horribly and stupidly punished by expulsion, filed a complaint or report through her counsellor
I'm Christian and I this is bullshit, kids should be allowed to pray or not in school and in public, it's a free country and religion is one of our primary freedoms.
@ikaninjau2 Its not a free country. You just want it to be free. The reality is were free to an extent that people dont step on eachothers toes. And since that that happens about every other day, no one will just respect you for what you want. And btw im not a christian...but I do see reality for what it is. This is a power struggle between an outsider and a religious community. If the majority pays for public schools, then youll abide by the majority. Easy peezee.
@vidfreak56 "And btw im not a christian" but something tells me you're religious, correct? So having those who are not religious still bow to religious ways would still be in your interest, correct?
"If the majority pays for public schools, then youll abide by the majority" that is called "tyranny of the majority". Other words for it are: Blackmail, Coercion, Subjugation. The government is to stay out of religious observances
@sol3a1 Im not religious at all. Im what people call an agnostic. Its not in "my interest" at all. I agree with the girl in this case. But thats my opinion.
Yes it is tyranny but thats how the world works. Either tyranny by the minority or majority is all that any political system imposes. The government can try to stay out of it, but the bottom line is if they pay for the public school, then theyll get a say in who gets to go to that school. If the majority are christians.
@vidfreak56: Agnostic just means "without knowledge". An atheist rejects the unfounded claims of theists. Unless you accept claims there are divine (not the little things like "love they neighbor", aka things we mortals can easily come up with) beings, you're an agnostic atheist
"Yes it is tyranny but thats how the world works" that's why we try to make things better, other "old ways"
Slavery
Nobility
Serfs
No more forced prayers, no more coercion. What the town did was wrong
@sol3a1 An atheist is a lack of a belief. Both what society considers agnostic and anti-theist fit this definition. If you want to call me an agnostic atheist, then fine. Both definitions mean the same thing anways. I dont reject a theists claim I just dont accept them as valid.
What the town did was wrong in your opinion. They tried to realize their world by rejecting those that dont. You can only try to make things better. Wont prevent anything like this from happening.
@vidfreak56 "An atheist is a lack of a belief. Both what society considers agnostic and anti-theist fit this definition" and society considers "theory a guess" too. Specific word word definitions are misused but "vox populi" doesn't mean it's correct
"I dont reject a theists claim I just dont accept them as valid" then you reject them
"They tried to realize their world by rejecting those that dont" which is why they're wrong. They want to control and push their religion on others
@sol3a1 But then how do we talk to one another? You're just arguing over definitions here. I told you what i believe based on your definitions and said they were correct. And it also doesnt mean your language is correct either because you say it is so.
No i just dont accept them. There is a difference. I cant know god to be false, but I can reject premises as truth.
No its why you dont agree w/ them. Yes they do want to push it. Thats their opinion. Its subjective.
@vidfreak56 "But then how do we talk to one another? You're just arguing over definitions here" that is exactly how we communicate. Though we were using the same words, they had a different meaning to both of us. My "arguemnet over definition" was on purpose to have us using the same meaning for the same word
"No i just dont accept them. I cant know god to be false" I never said gods are false just there's no evidence for them
You're an atheist aka one who rejects theist claims
@sol3a1 Wow..Please read and think. Thats not how we communicate. We communicate by agreeing with definitions first. Thats my point. Youre just posting nonsense responses that add nothing new.
Exactly! I cant reject that a god exists. I dont reject theist claims. I only reject the ones that I can prove false. I reject a premise that tries to prove theist claims as true. The bible for example is easy to reject as proof of gods existence.
@vidfreak56 "Wow..Please read and think. Thats not how we communicate. We communicate by agreeing with definitions first. Thats my point. Youre just posting nonsense responses that add nothing new" not at all. My post to you were to pin down what "atheist" and "agnostic" means to you
"Exactly! I cant reject that a god exists. I dont reject theist claims" non sequitur. The only universal claim a theist makes is that there are gods. Claims made past that are tenets of faith
@vidfreak56 "I only reject the ones that I can prove false" and you're accusing me of needing to stop, read and think?
You do know that it is impossible to prove a negative as the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, right? Unless you're in a court of law there's no proof just evidence
Things I reject due to no evidence for them
Theism
gods
Nessie
Santa
Easter Bunny
IPU
I can't "prove" any on list above doesn't exist but I do reject them on there's no evidence for them
@sol3a1 Yes absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence. Thus if I cant prove gods non-existence then I can't use that as proof that god doesnt exist.
Things I reject because I have evidence of their non-existence:
Santa (parents told me he doesnt exist)
Easter Bunny (same reason)
You cant make the same claim for god or nessie because you have no evidence for their non-existence. You can only reject claims of evidence. Not the premise in general. Anything more is just a guess.
@vidfreak56 "No its why you dont agree w/ them" for the same reason you do. There is no evidence to support their claim ergo gods are in the same league as Nessie and the tooth fairy
"Yes they do want to push it. Thats their opinion" no that's their faith and they make decisions and give out punishments based solely on reasonless faith
"Its subjective" the only thing that's subjective is their actions. It's against the Constitution which makes their decision and actions illegal too
@sol3a1 Strawman argument. You dont agree with them so you say they are wrong. I dont say they are wrong for trying to make the world their own, but I personally dont agree w/ it. There's a difference.
Their faith that drives their desires to take action towards others is their opinion. They dont like homosexual marriage. Thats opinion that drives action.
Wrong. The only thing objective are their actions. Their reasons are subj. Yes they are illegal from the POV of law.
@vidfreak56 "Strawman argument" yes that is all you have despite your claim to the contrary
"You dont agree with them so you say they are wrong" I don't agree with them based on exclusion via tyranny of the majority AND that it is illegal
"Their faith that drives their desires to take action towards others is their opinion" and if their faith drives them to kill unbelievers, that's okay? Actions based on reasonless faith that punish, hurt or harm others is and will be always wrong
@sol3a1 "yes that is all you have" Merely a contrarian stance. Ill just accept it as a your lack of understanding.
You dont agree with them based on the law. The law enables your opinion that it is wrong (you think law is objectively right? No merely the ones it makes right.). This is your opinion (what ive been saying all along). The law is created by tyranny and majority rule to begin with.
Its not ok in my opinion. Actions will always be wrong in your opinion...yes.
@vidfreak56: Call it what you will but all I've done is make sure the words we used had the same meaning
"The law enables your opinion that it is wrong (you think law is objectively right?" many laws are "just rules" too many times used to keep the elites in power and the way things were to continue being
US laws that try to prevent tyranny of the majority against the minority was one of the 1st attempts to prevent that from happening
@sol3a1 And that was unecessary, as we established that in about the 2nd or third comment.
"Many laws are..." Exactly my point. "just rules" are in quotes because the "rules" are subjective. They are established by power based on opinion. The opinion becomes popular and hence the law is established by the majority.
US laws try to prevent tyranny but fail. They do nothing but protect the private tyranny of others by attempting to protect "personal freedom". Past the law? a myth.
"'Many laws are...' Exactly my point" no it's not. The law that is being discussed comes from the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that has been abused here by the town
"They are established by power based on opinion" and you're getting more and more desperate. The US 1st Amendment was made to keep the government from establishing a religion or preventing them
@sol3a1 I believe I told you i agreed w/ called me an agnostic atheist. Thats all that needs to be said about that.
Im desperate? Youre the one whos desperatly grasping straws to try to keep your argument afloat. Youve lost this debate before you started. The constitution is a document imposed by force...period. Its a matter of opinion that it should be and always will be. You just cant handle this. I have a right to question my government. I call it what it is...period.
@vidfreak56: Yes you're desperate as you don't seem to like to be reminded of what terms mean
1: You use the term atheist and agnostic with meanings that I didn't. As to use them with any chance for understanding means that we have to have the same meaning or at least know what the other is trying to say
2: You use the term "proof" when that is never used in science
3: Theism only means that the person believes in gods, no other meaning
@sol3a1 1. What meanings? Thats a lie. If anything i may have used them incorrectly.
2. I use the term proof? Never used in science? Your stretching and spreading lies. Prove to me that it isnt.
3. Now your putting words into my mouth. When did i say theism didnt mean a person who believes in god.
4. I can't prove a negative? What does this have to do w/ my position? If I cant prove god doesnt exist, then that means I cant reject the existence of god. Nice try.
@sol3a1 "that would be you witness your last two posts" Jibberish
I cant answer others things ive asserted? I dont answer assertions. I answer questions. Your trying to keep a dead argument alive. You fail here.
It was ratified by people over 100 years ago. The restrictions on people it imposes by force. Rights, freedoms...all that delusion thats built up over the years is imposed by force.
"your inane..." IM inane. Your a nationalist apologist.
@vidfreak56 "I cant answer others things ive asserted? I dont answer assertions" you mean to say that you'll accuse someone of something then not back it up. Please site me on this as I will be happy to point it out where you do
"Your trying to keep a dead argument alive. You fail here" actually you've failed since the beginning but are for some reason trying to save face but you've already lost that
@vidfreak56 "It was ratified by people over 100 years ago" which sums up your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject. Care to guess again when the 1st Amendment to the Constitution was ratified?
"The restrictions on people it imposes by force. Rights, freedoms" you mean the "right" to make others bend to your religious POV?
"all that delusion thats built up over the years is imposed by force" if you're saying "freedom isn't free" but must be defended you're correct
@vidfreak56 "'your inane' IM inane" yes, inane as in inanity where you'll trample on the rights of others to not worship and allow them to be punished for it is inane
"Your a nationalist apologist" if you mean Federalist as in "The Federalist Papers" yes I am
"I can question my government. End of story" of course you can but I fail to see how taking a stand that protects religious freedom and freedom from religion is a good thing
@vidfreak56 "I have a right to question my government" on what? If you want to question a government then question the government of that town that allowed what to occur
"I call it what it is...period" which is your right as you can call a square a circle but like that would be a mistake in geometry the rest of your posts defending those that are imposing their religion or be excluded is still wrong
You lose
Now show where I've done what you stated or retract it
@sol3a1 I can question my government. End of story. Thats my opinion as it is your to question other peoples actions. Your an agendist. Youre just interested in controling me w/ rhetoric. Its not gonna work. I think for myself.
"right as you can call a square a circle" More strawman, so ill simply chalk it up to jibberish. Im not defending anyone. You assume I am.
I lose? More opinion. What have I stated that youve done? ROFL.
@vidfreak56 "Youre just interested in controling me w/ rhetoric" not at all as you're the one who goes off the reservation. Like trying to make sure we had the same the meanings for the words we used? Guilty
As far as unfettered rhetoric goes, your "I have a right to question" on things that are put in to keep any one religious PoV out of the government isn't bright
What next to question, the 13th Amendment? That one took force too!
@sol3a1 Same meaning? Guilty? Yes im trying to make sure we can communicate if thats what you mean. Wow. Bravo for getting me on that one.
LOL you think because its "put in" that means I cant question it? And your not just commenting now to try to control me? Right.
All amendments take force? Im not wrong. Your just a shmuck that cant admit to truth. You think all this "fighting" means youre right? LOL pure delusion.
@vidfreak56: Well vidfreak it is evident that you can't see where you make assertions and then won't back it up
The town was:
Wrong in both a legal and moral sense
US Constitution's designed to protect peoples' rights, not just the current majority
You argue that Laws are forced and that's true but you paint all laws with the same brush and discount how they were ratified. The 1st Amendment wasn't ratified 100 years ago and the 13th Amendment wasn't wither
@vidfreak56 "Same meaning? Guilty? Yes im trying to make sure we can communicate if thats what you mean" there has been so much more that's flown over your head it is truly sad
When was the 1st Amendment Ratified?
How 'bout the 13th?
Can you tell us again if the town was right in their actions?
What's an atheist?
What does it take to be a theist?
Where are "proofs" used?
You've failed miserably on all those yet you keep running your trap
@sol3a1 "flown over my head" I know exactly what youre saying when you say it. I disagree with much of it. Semantics is the reason for this. Opinion is opinion.
-When were 1st and 13th ratified. Neither has anything to do w/ this conversation.
-The towns actions are considered illegal. Thats all.
-Atheist = a lack of a belief in god.
-The next question ive answered.
-mathematical proof? Proof=evidence of existence.
Good enough for you? Your just done my friend..that is all.
@vidfreak56 "-When were 1st and 13th ratified. Neither has anything to do w/ this conversation" you brought it up when trying to defend that the 1st Amendment is "just a law" and that it was ratified 100 years ago
"-The towns actions are considered illegal. Thats all" and I agree
"-Atheist = a lack of a belief in god" then why did you say it was a belief in that gods don't exist?
"-The next question ive answered" what does a theist believe so it should be easy to answer again
@sol3a1 The 1st amendment is a law. It was ratified over 100 years ago because I dont remember the dates exactly. It is "just a law". Happens to be what the majority agrees with, but its still just a law.
"and i agree" Phew...this is what ive been saying all along.
I never intended this meaning. If I did it was a mistake. Show me where I said this.
I answered this before. A theist is someone who has a belief in god. A non-lack of a belief if u will.
@sol3a1 proof= evidence of truth. Thats what i meant. This is what people mean when they say proof. I reject your ridiculous clinging to technicalities here. You know what i meant.
Yes this concept shows that I dont know basic concepts. LOL this proves your an idiot. See what I did there? Youre just done here. Thats the truth when ad hominem attacks reign the posts.
I put forth my opinion because thats what actually is. You live in a deluded fantasy world.
@vidfreak56 "US laws try to prevent tyranny but fail" only when we let them which is what we have when we hear or read someone say "It's the way it's always been"
"They do nothing but protect the private tyranny of others by attempting to protect 'personal freedom'" and I say BS as this is why they fail when others make excuses for the actions of the majority, which is what you're doing now
@sol3a1 Thats a matter of majority rule. And it is the way its always been. The majority or certian interests will always try to exploit legal loopholes. They just dont agree w/ the law.
Again you're getting into ideology. They fail because they cant fight the majority, as the majority will always win. Its just the way things are. Best you can do is convince as many people as possible that your right. Youll then become the majority.
@vidfreak56 "The law is created by tyranny and majority rule to begin with" too many laws were that is why the US Constitution was setup to work against that very issue
"Actions will always be wrong in your opinion...yes" depends on action and the reason for it
"No merely the ones it makes right.). This is your opinion (what ive been saying all along)" not just my opinion. What the idiots (my opinion) in the town thought is one thing, the illegality in their actions is not opinion
@vidfreak56 "They dont like homosexual marriage. Thats opinion that drives action" and the price of tea in China's what again? To deny the rights of two mature adults, regardless of their sexual orientation, of the right to marry is also wrong
"Wrong. The only thing objective are their actions. Their reasons are subj. Yes they are illegal from the POV of law" which I agree their beliefs are subjective and their actions are wrong. Can you show me where I stated anything differently?
@ikaninjau2 for one she got kicked out for not praying in a public school and secondly no people shouldnt be aloud not in public schools and it is also very hypocritical to pray in public
You mentioned that growth is a good thing. Yes, it is but in this situation, it isn't. To a devout Christian, Atheism isn't growth, it is death. They believe that Christ is life and since atheists have proven themselves to be enemies of God, this family has started the great crusades all over again and those folks will not take it laying down. That town did the right thing for THEM. Australia did the same lately, with their immigration policy. Be an Australian or get out. I applaud them for that
@Landotter1 "Yes, it is but in this situation, it isn't. To a devout Christian, Atheism isn't growth, it is death" and to the non-religious, theism isn't expanding one's mind, it's cutting out reason
"atheists have proven themselves to be enemies of God" atheists aren't enemies of a thing that doesn't exist
"That town did the right thing for THEM" you mean exactly the way christian slave owners felt as well?
Seems you're okay with tyranny of the majority so long as Xian tyranny
@sol3a1 Well sir, you have just shot yourself in the foot. "enemies of a thing that doesn't exist" you say? Well, I'll have my evidence now or yuou have nothing more to say.
@Landotter1 "Well sir, you have just shot yourself in the foot. "enemies of a thing that doesn't exist" you say?" Yep, there's no evidence the following things exist:
any of the gods
Nessie
Fairies
Unicorns
Dragons
Rhulioins
How can anyone be an enemy to something that doesn't exist?
"Well, I'll have my evidence now or yuou have nothing more to say" you've evidence? Great! Let's see it. f you really did have evidence you'd be sharing it!
@sol3a1 Yet another person who can't read. Are all of you atheists so stupid? Seriously. I said that I am not so arrogent ad stupid as to say that i have evidence of my God. Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence. You really are off the chart. Your cheese has slipped off your cracker. YOU made the positive assertion that God doesn't exist and still you haven't proven anything... You need to have that foot looked at and your head examined as well.
@Landotter1 "et another person who can't read. Are all of you atheists so stupid? " I read what you posted and in the words on Indigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" or in your case if many people think you said one thing and you believe you said something else, guess who's most likely wrong
"Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence" then what happened to that girl was a travesty
@sol3a1 I adore how you put this "or in your case if many people think you said one thing and you believe you said something else, guess who's most likely wrong." Yeah it's like the very few atheists telling the rest of humanity that they are wrong for having a religious or spiritual life... Who's most likely wrong? hummmmmm Can't BILLIONS of people be wrong. To much diverse religions to say that. That stuff happens all the time in small towns, get over it you cry-baby!
@Landotter1 "Your cheese has slipped off your cracker" and more insults from one of god's chosen, nice
"YOU made the positive assertion that God doesn't exist and still you haven't proven anything" not all all, I stated that I reject your god exists as I do for fairies and unicorns
You seem to want to change the subject but you stated the community did what they wanted to do
Now as you show there is no evidence for any god, then why should we have to bow to them?
@sol3a1 You don't have to bow. It is up to you what you do or don't do. The consequences won't change though. As for the town. You really need to understand how small towns work. Good bad or otherwise, It is what it is. If you don't like it, don't move to one. It isn't a hard concept to figure out or are you one of the many stupid atheists. Gimme a break. You really don't understand that? They caused trouble in the wrong place, that's all that happened.
@Landotter1 "You don't have to bow. It is up to you what you do or don't do" and she did by stepping out and she got punished for it
This was not a case where she did something bad, she kept out and got punished for not bowing
"If you don't like it, don't move to one" absolute BS. I have the right to move anywhere I want and no local taliban is going to tell me to pray or go away
@sol3a1 That's where you are mistaken my dumb friend, but just go ahead and keep telling yourself those deluded thoughts if it makes you sleep better.... and you rhink you are so smart... Well, go ahead, you'll get owned like they did and i'll get to laugh about it when I see your dumb ass on TV.... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@Landotter1 "That's where you are mistaken my dumb friend, but just go ahead and keep telling yourself those deluded thoughts if it makes you sleep better" that the 1st Amendment has the girl's back? That the US Constitution protects the minority from the majority? What make me not sleep so well are people such as you who think that the Constitution is only for them
"and you rhink you are so smart" far more than you seem to comprehend
@Landotter1 "Well, go ahead, you'll get owned like they did" so you're completely okay with the majority telling the minority what to do? Only due to you're feeling you're part of the majority
"You want to talk about communism? Sure let's talk about your fancy atheistic lies" The communist societies have "group think" and "getting in line", like those religious nuts in the small town
"Well, I have tried to say how these small towns operate" wrong is wrong and they are wrong
@Landotter1 "Gimme a break" no way. The hypocrisy of the religious declaring that they can do what they want in the name of their non-existent god boggles the mind. This is not worshiping some god, it's communist group think
Go ahead challenge me on that one and learn a harsh lesson
"You really don't understand that?" I do and that's why I fight to keep religious crap out of my government
Otherwise idiots like you'd think it's a (your type) religious country and the rest can leave
@Landotter1 "positive assertion that God doesn't exist" nope. If I were to claim I've a pet dragon, I better produce the evidence, don't you think, or be labeled a fraud
I never stated there are no gods, could you show where I said that? No? Then retract that and state it clearly. I reject claims there are gods, which isn't a position just as not collecting stamps is not a hobby
"You need to have that foot looked at and your head examined as well" right now my foot is up your ass
@Landotter1 "Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence" I have to go back to this line of Bovine Scat
So a theist can't produce evidence of some deity's existence BUT the community is correct in expelling this girl because it was in "their best interest"?
That means it's okay to expel, harass, exploit, etc others on the basis of them not worshiping something that nobody has any evidence that it exists? And that's okay with you?
@sol3a1 No, plain and simple. they are outsiders. They came into a town that is religious and started causing them trouble with their atheistic drivel. Since, probably 10 generations of their families made that town, these people think they can just come in and try to change everything... (insert loud annoying game show buzzer here) It is NOT how small towns operate, weather it is religion or not. You just don't go causing trouble lest you get ran out on a rail. It is what it is....
@Landotter1 "No, plain and simple. they are outsiders" no they are Americans just like the ones that live there
"They came into a town that is religious and started causing them trouble with their atheistic drivel" they went to an American town that was doing unconstitutional things. So if slavery was there they should become slave owners or slaves then?
"these people think they can just come in and try to change everything" no the town was wrong. Want to pray? Fine, not like that
@sol3a1 waaaaaaaah get a new towel yours is dripping...... Dude, seriously, I have lived in small towns all my life. I have been an outsider all my life. I KNOW damn well what these people went through. I just haven't been stupid enough to rock the boat. It really doesn't matter what you think. It will happen again and again legal or not.... GET OVER IT and go on... it's ok, you'll be alright....
@Landotter1 "waaaaaaaah get a new towel yours is dripping" you're the only one crying and acting like an ass
I've showed you where the US Constitution backs the girl's play and all you can do is say that the "town has always done it that way" which is as saying "Sharia Law works that way"
Town's no different from the Taliban. If they could, they'd kill the family
@Landotter1 "it's ok, you'll be alright" yes I will be as I know that christianity is going away and the hold that superstition and religious ignorance is going away
Not soon enough, but I see these pathetic attempts to "re-energize the religious" as the last gasps of a dying entity
@Landotter1 "It is NOT how small towns operate, weather it is religion or not" the particular details aren't important. If a town is doing something that is against the constitution, they must be called on it
What they did to the girl when she refused to participate shows what they're all about:
Control
Ever heard of "Tyranny of the majority"? Our constitution was deliberately set up to stop that and actions like those small minded townsfolk did all because she wouldn't pray
@Landotter1 "You just don't go causing trouble lest you get ran out on a rail. It is what it is" so you're okay with going into a town and them telling you what you can do? Let's say it is a muslim dominated town, I'm guessing you're male so you have to grow your beard and the ladies have to wear the burka or niqab
Now wear it or get run out on a rail but that would mean you couldn't work at the place that just hired you
Town's dead wrong and needs to be sued past bankruptcy
@sol3a1 Maybe Islam needs to sue Australia for their attitdes about immigrants too? The town did right, you just don't like it because you are part of the group that has chosen death over life so you are the opposition... No matter, your opinion means nothing..... If it DID mean something, this might not happen..... Otter is on a roll tonight, the opposition seems to have nothing that can stop him... oooooooh a half court shot... I'll tell ya Bobby, that reminded me of Meadowlark Lemmon
@Landotter1 "Maybe Islam needs to sue Australia for their attitdes about immigrants too?" this is not Australia and the girl and her family are not illegal aliens. That you can't tell the difference and wish to treat atheists as non-citizens makes you an ass
"The town did right" again the town did not do right and needs to be sued until they are broken
"Otter is on a roll tonight" downhill, picking up speed all the way to a dead stop
She ousted herself from the team. She demonstrated that she wasn't a team player. She stood apart, in public. This said I don't want to be part of your goings on. That's kind of like joining the Army because you want to be a soldier but not willing to go to war, if need be. I don't think kicking her out of school is the answer but there are many ways to shun her for not being part of the team. Just life in a small town. Not only religion. An outsider is an outsider.
To exclude anyone from education simply because he/she decides to not participate in a 'prayer circle' dispalys total hypocracy."We'll accept you so long as you 'toe the party line' ".Why not go the whole way and lobotomise the entire faculty/student body? That way no-one can have an independant thought or express freedom of choice! If you choose to believe it,(I don't),but doesn't it say somewhere that god gave us free will? Just a thought.
@popazz1 You don't believe it yet you quote it to satisfy your point of view. Isn't that hypocracy too? Birds of a feather flock together, so what's so different here? Atheists don't accept religious folks because we don't "toe the party line" There are no differences between the two sides. We don't accept each other's belief system, so what?
@popazz1 I have stated that I grew up in small towns all of my life so i know how they operate. That's all you know about me if you read that I think the attitudes are deplorable, you wouldn't make such snap comments, which says a lot about you too. Learn to read please.
And,again,folk like you always fall back on the supposed insult,'learn to read'.This is YouTube,not frigging MENSA! So enough.Find someone else to patronise.
@popazz1 Don't expect a person to be a genius but to just read and understand what others say before popping off with some lame comment, trying to be in MENSA... What a jack-ass
Hell,it must be absolutely bloody marvelous being you.Tell me,do you levitate and walk on water,heal the sick,cast out demons? Oh no,sorry,that's your god.Sorry,pal,you're the jack-ass.Now,do everyone a favour,FUCK OFF!
@popazz1 Oh so I reckon you have no evidence eh? Gimpy???? That's EXACTLY what I thought... Score 3 for the OTTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Popped ass zilllllllllch. Everyone fasten your seat belts before we levitate and you will not need your flotation devices. I can walk on water.... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa When we get to our destination, I will continue on the rest of you can ride that jack-ass popped-ass to his finish line. hee-haw-ee-haw....
@Landotter1 "Oh so I reckon you have no evidence eh? Gimpy???? That's EXACTLY what I thought... Score 3 for the OTTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" well it is hard to say you've offered anything but your opinion on why the non-religious must bow to the religious
You certainly haven't given any real thought to what the US Constitution says, just what you want to see happen
Re-read the First Amendment and let us know how that can't possibly exist in this girl's case
@sol3a1 Well, I have tried to say how these small towns operate and this video report is this prescious "proof" that you stupid atheists demand. I don't know what else to tell you. If you still don't get it, please, go ahead and experience it for yourself, I don't care... It IS what it IS.... OTTER SHOOTS HE SCOOOOOOOORES..... No real competition... You bore me, Spanky.... Think I'll catch a nap......
@Landotter1 "prescious "proof" that you stupid atheists demand" no we want to have our rights upheld. Freedom of religion is Freedom FROM religion as well
"It IS what it IS" that needs to change
"OTTER SHOOTS HE SCOOOOOOOORES" I don't know what is sadder, your lack of understanding of how religion is not supposed to be supported by any governmental agency or you actually deluded yourself into thinking you won squat
"No real competition" you're too ignorant to be much of anything
@Landotter1 "I didn't lose a thing my dumb friend. This video proves what I have been writing about all along. Lost what? Didn't think so" you lost as per the US Constitution but it seems you don't care about the document that made this country great
"That's all you got? BORING....... zzzzzZZZzzzZZZZzzzz" And you've been down to juvenile insults and no facts
This is typical Christian thinking. Join us or the consequences will be very bad for you! It's a threat! Here it was carried out. Join the prayer group or get kicked out of school. It's just like Jesus saying, "Believe in me, or burn in hell!" Same, same, same. It's a threat. It's not a fair choice, therefore it's not free will. (Free will is that thing that Christians like to brag about that everyone gets as a "gift" from God. Just pay no attention to that gun to your head!)
@politicoochie09 You DO have free will but unfortunately only 2 choices. Hey, I didn't make the rules. There is no gun at your head. You DO have the choice.
@Landotter1 No, it's worse than a gun to your head. It's eternal burning and torture. For what? For the non-eternal thought crime of "I don't believe"? You need to step back a few paces and really look at your god for what he is: evil. You worship this monster blindly (which is exactly what an evil being would want.) A loving god wouldn't care if you questioned him and would NEVER make punishment exceed the crime. If you don't question your beliefs, you can believe in anything, even evil.
I've never seen such a thing like this! o_O That's scary. Must be one of the very religious states. :P
J88Wolf 1 day ago
Okay, I have respect for her, but she should of joined the circle. I understad she doesn't believe in God and that's okay, that's her lose, but if she had respect for her team, she should of stood in the circle as a team player.
superRussian4ever 2 days ago
i have alot of respect for that young girl for standing by her beliefs and refusing to be bullied into thinking like a sheep
JAKETHEGREAT11100 4 days ago
Muslin XD
iTrollThis 5 days ago
Fuck America. In Germany, this fuckery doesn't happen. Stand up for what you feel is right. The school can actually be sued for this. Shut the fucking school down!
mrbigshoworelse 1 week ago
@mrbigshoworelse many schools have been sued for this in america and if she wanted to she could have sued and she would have won
JAKETHEGREAT11100 4 days ago
Liberty and justice for all, except if you don't believe in our indoctrination system without empirical, evidence that is. Separation of Church and state please.
Waredwr 1 week ago
I would've just started doin' the stanky leg to ease the awkwardness
heavymetal774 1 week ago
Good for u, I do the same.
Bxdarealest 1 week ago
These godsuckers are getting way out of hand. Wake up to reality! Escape from the 3rd Century! Keep it real! And congratulations to you for being a brave, freethinking girl.
drumcircler 2 weeks ago 3
You are so right to stand for this! We need more girls like you! Can't believe that is happening to you. Most americans are extremely stupid or whatever was that other sinonim, oh yeah.. religious. KEEP IT UP GIRL! WE GOT YOUR BACK!
dyablohunter 2 weeks ago
Glad the bitch got kicked out, maybe next time she wont be such a rabble rouser for the sake of attention.
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo
You must have realized that you can’t actually insult the moral principle of secularisation, to which this girl publically advocated, and chose instead to label her defiance as attention seeking.
Imagine the reverse of this: If you were kicked out of school for requesting to pray before the game! How angry you would be! There is no way you can defend such ignorant, self-righteous statement.
TheAtheistsCognition 2 weeks ago
@TheAtheistsCognition I'm confused, hiw can she be offended by something she doesn't believe exists?
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo
She was not offended by God. She was offended by discriminatory ostracism, perpetuated by the superiors in the school, for not adhering to a belief that was not supposed to be in public schools in the first place; a fact that is protected by the constitution. As well as that, she was probably offended by the resulting expulsion from her school, one that she has every right to be at. This is blatant discrimination against the non-religious. Clear now?
TheAtheistsCognition 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo She can be offended by the people who believe in God. For example, if they make racist remarks, or etc, the girl can get offended by them.
firewurker 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo
She does believe in the Constitution of the United States. You, however, do not.
quasarsphere 2 weeks ago
@quasarsphere I dont think the Constitution says anything about making a total ass of yourself.
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo Would you be OK if before a game you were to take part in, you had to say "Even though God doesn't exist, we will win this game" or something? Would you go along with it to avoid causing a scene? Would it not offend you, because you knew that wasn't true anyway?
Blue5tar 2 weeks ago
@Blue5tar I wouldn't be offended by someone elses' right to believe what they want. See that's the problem with most atheists. They blab about freedom and the Constitution but do not seem to realize that the Constitution doesn't only protect their rights but also the rights of those who believe differently from them. The problem with this country is everyone is so touchy and sensitive. We live in the United States of the Offended. People need to grow a set.
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo So if the school held a circle before the game where they chanted "God is a lie" or pledged their allegiance to the Pope, you would not stand up for the rights of someone kicked out for refusing to do so? How very spinless.
Blue5tar 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo As for "The offended" at the moment, it is the Christians who are offended because the prayer banner has been removed. I presume they should just "Grow a set" and get on with it?
Blue5tar 2 weeks ago
@Blue5tar Absolutely, its not a Christian school
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo
Public schools are not Christian schools. Sorry.
RichardScroter 2 weeks ago
@RichardScroter No shit Sherlock. Had it been a Christian school I would think the person would have had sense enough to go to another school since they are so offended by other people's lifestyles.
MaxamillianArturo 2 weeks ago
@MaxamillianArturo The separation of church and state is stated clearly in the Constitution. It keeps government out of church business and the church out of government business for a reason. You can't put up a nativity scene at the courthouse because then you'd have to also put up a menorah, an image of Vishnu, or the Pope, and on and on. So, to be fair, the Constitution says no to everyone equally. No means no. No images, no prayers, nothing religious in a public arena.
politicoochie09 1 week ago 3
@politicoochie09 The children of a school are allowed to have prayer. It's just not allowed to be lead by the faculty of said establishment. Just sayin...
Ravalat 1 week ago
I am a Proud American Atheist who does Not Trust Your Fake Middle Eastern Make Believe goD which is based on Blind Faith for a Fool. America is a PROUD SECULAR NATION which does not build its crediblity around a Make Believe goD which We do not Trust. Your Fake Flat Earth Middle Eastern Abrahamic goD and your fake Flat Earth Middle Eastern Devil are both Ass Holes and they both should be put to death for their war crimes against the Free World
MagicTellaVision 2 weeks ago
@MagicTellaVision
Ok, people like you, sorry. The world has too much. First of all you can't be proud to be an american, because you did not choose to be born in america, it just happened. And you cant even be proud to be an atheist, this is why the word atheism and it's meaning got this bad image, because people like you saying that they're proud of that. You're an atheist, so what? You want an award? There is none. Get over it!
dyablohunter 2 weeks ago
What a brave thing to do.
Delision 2 weeks ago
The school would have had every right to force you to pray if it was a Christian school.
If it's a public school, they can expect a certain number of students to be Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, atheist or whatever other denomination you can think of. Public schools should never, ever, force kids to pray.
67wester 3 weeks ago
if people want to pray let them pray, if people don't want to pray then don't make them, it is that simple people are to stupid to understand human rights...
wh1teflower 3 weeks ago
Thankfully our youth are waking up to see religion for what it is. Crap.
SmallandSweet99 3 weeks ago 32
Good for her
RatedRMatt 3 weeks ago 5
what a hero!
TheGrahamf 3 weeks ago
Respect.
ThaMuzikFiend 3 weeks ago
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"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be like the hypocrites for they love to pray in the streets and be seen, but when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, shut thy door and pray to thy father in secret"----the Bible
localphenom 1 month ago
i would of done the same thing.
sawdudeful 1 month ago
everyone of those Christian girls are having premarital sex!!! God Bless them! lol!
slickman911 1 month ago
This is a sporting event, NOT a church. She had every right not to join in that circle and glad she didn't. She was kicked out for not joining in some religious prayer? It's ridiculous and hypocritical. Glad she stood her gournd and not give in to that mess. She has her beliefs and they have theirs, and they should have respected that. Hope she won this lawsuit.
mrql123 1 month ago 51
@mrql123 She wasn't kicked out, just some non-religous trolls starting a argument which you fed into.
TheGunterYT 2 weeks ago
@TheGunterYT And you're here doing the same......hypocrite..
goov47 2 weeks ago
@hyliabay89 Why didnt the school support her beliefs? What this young lady did through her defiance was expose corruption in her school.She could've been the "bigger person" and she was. She was brave and resiliant in the face of obnoxious ignorance and piety. It has nothing with choosing your battles, it has everything with fighting for equal rights no matter the cost. We all could put our heads down in the face of tyranny and not suffer the consequences, but Im nobodys bitch.
dalhar20 1 month ago
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@sol3a1 I dont care when lol. That still doesnt validate your argument. The constitution is as ideological as the bible. Simple as that.
Yes thats what I mean. Now were talking. Power determines whos right...not ideology. At least your thinking now.
Freedom has to be fought for. So you want to defend what freedom you want. Thats fine. Its the same thing that this community is doing here.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
It is disqusting to me that a school would discriminate against a student because of their religious beliefs in MODERN America. We have the capacity as a society to move past religious intolerance and dogma and progress in our scientific understanding of the world but those who persist in indoctrinating children into religious faiths are holding us back from this.
kilroy055 1 month ago
you were basically expelled because you didn't stand in the prayer circle with your teammates? I understand you stood up for what you believed in, and that deserves a round of applause. However, you might have to pick your battles, it would have been easier to just stand there with your teammates, and show everyone that you still support your team and their beliefs. Even if they clearly don't support yours. I know its a public school and all beliefs should be respected, but thats an ideal world
hyliabay89 1 month ago
@hyliabay89 as if one should dismantle their own self-respect, to stay in accordance with what is considered normal.
dalhar20 1 month ago
@dalhar20 its not 'normal' but just so happens to be the majority ruling religion and belief system in her school. She doesn't have to forfeit her self respect, I'm applauding her for standing up against the majority.However, I'm just stating it would have been easier to pick her battles, and stand beside her teammates and be the bigger person, supporting their beliefs. Even if they clearly don't support hers. Less hassle than being expelled, she could have filed an official complaint or request
hyliabay89 1 month ago
@hyliabay89 But, she clearly did NOT support the team's beliefs. And if you want an "ideal world", doing nothing is not the way to obtain it. She did the right thing. The people condemning her (throwing stones metaphorically) are the ones in the wrong.
politicoochie09 1 month ago 7
@politicoochie09 Nope. The people condemning her just disagree with her. They are no more wrong, than they think you are wrong. Its a matter of opinion.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 No, it's not just a "matter of opinion." This was not just a discussion. This affected people's lives. Actions were taken. Those actions had consequences. Do you not know the difference between a discussion and an action? Someone HAS to be wrong here, otherwise there would not be all these people arguing over the outcome.
politicoochie09 1 month ago
@politicoochie09 Actions were taken yes. Does that matter? No. You seem to think you're entitled to be left alone. No one is born w/ that right. You have no natural (and objective) right to not have action taken against you. Regardless of who you are and what you desire. The very fact that this person didnt involve herself, effected those around her. No one has to be wrong here. Someone position will be legal and someones illegal. That will determine the outcome.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 I never said anything about entitlements. I never said anything about the "right to be left alone". I never said anything about being born with any particular right, nor did I imply such. But, I stand by my correction of your statement by saying that it goes beyond a simple "matter of opinion." There are laws already on the books that stipulate a specific separation of church and state for which this action in is a clear violation. Your original statement was a verbal "shrug".
politicoochie09 1 month ago
@politicoochie09 Nope. That again is a legal matter not a matter of right and wrong. Why? Because law doesnt dictate right and wrong...only who is justified and who isnt. Prohibition is a perfect example of a law that doesnt make a person wrong for breaking it. I believe Ive stated over and over again that its a legal matter and not a matter of correct behavior. My original statement still stands against yours. Legality != objective wrong.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 You're splitting hairs trying to define what "wrong" is. My original statement had nothing to do with legality. It had to do with the fact that you shrugged this off as simply a "matter of opinion" -- your words. That was either you stating the obvious, or you were trying to make a point that it had little significance either way. That makes you WRONG in the heuristic sense, because as I stated, this was something that had two very opposite sides, and one of them was inappropriate.
politicoochie09 1 month ago
@politicoochie09 The "right and wrong" is a matter of opinion. Your just a propagandist. The only thing that is pertinent here is what is legal. Thats all. By calling someone wrong you are saying they are objectively so. You cant prove this. Hence it is mere subjective belief and hence opinion. "one was inppropriate" That is a perfect example of opinion. Saying someone is wrong for the way they behave is like me saying you are wrong for liking the color green.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@politicoochie09 of course she did the right thing, i said i was applauding her actions. i was just saying to pick her battles, MAYBE it would have been easier for her to just stand there with the majority, and file a formal complaint or speak to the ombudsperson or counsellor of the school in question. But clearly she would have had no hindsight that the school would punish her so severely as to expel the poor girl! In a perfect world she would be allowed to stand aside and exercise her rights
hyliabay89 1 month ago
@hyliabay89: Sometimes the battles pick you
sol3a1 1 month ago
@politicoochie09 The team has beliefs? I didn't know sporting events were to promote religious beliefs?
vegapoky 1 month ago 2
@vegapoky --Despit the attempted secularization of america, we still are a people of faith.
BiblePreacher455 4 weeks ago
@BiblePreacher455 We made faith so we can't become it.
ThaMuzikFiend 3 weeks ago
@hyliabay89: And what about her teammates standing beside her and supporting her? Why is it a one way street?
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Unfortunately it is a one way street, and obviously in an ideal and perfect world, she would be allowed to simply step aside and have her teammates support her decision completely. However, it's not a perfect world, and she was an outcast for her actions and expelled. I applaud her actions as I stated before, but just stating that she could have picked her battles, and instead of being horribly and stupidly punished by expulsion, filed a complaint or report through her counsellor
hyliabay89 1 month ago
I'm Christian and I this is bullshit, kids should be allowed to pray or not in school and in public, it's a free country and religion is one of our primary freedoms.
ikaninjau2 1 month ago
@ikaninjau2 Its not a free country. You just want it to be free. The reality is were free to an extent that people dont step on eachothers toes. And since that that happens about every other day, no one will just respect you for what you want. And btw im not a christian...but I do see reality for what it is. This is a power struggle between an outsider and a religious community. If the majority pays for public schools, then youll abide by the majority. Easy peezee.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "And btw im not a christian" but something tells me you're religious, correct? So having those who are not religious still bow to religious ways would still be in your interest, correct?
"If the majority pays for public schools, then youll abide by the majority" that is called "tyranny of the majority". Other words for it are: Blackmail, Coercion, Subjugation. The government is to stay out of religious observances
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Im not religious at all. Im what people call an agnostic. Its not in "my interest" at all. I agree with the girl in this case. But thats my opinion.
Yes it is tyranny but thats how the world works. Either tyranny by the minority or majority is all that any political system imposes. The government can try to stay out of it, but the bottom line is if they pay for the public school, then theyll get a say in who gets to go to that school. If the majority are christians.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 and by "they pay for..." I mean the community and not the government.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56: Agnostic just means "without knowledge". An atheist rejects the unfounded claims of theists. Unless you accept claims there are divine (not the little things like "love they neighbor", aka things we mortals can easily come up with) beings, you're an agnostic atheist
"Yes it is tyranny but thats how the world works" that's why we try to make things better, other "old ways"
Slavery
Nobility
Serfs
No more forced prayers, no more coercion. What the town did was wrong
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 An atheist is a lack of a belief. Both what society considers agnostic and anti-theist fit this definition. If you want to call me an agnostic atheist, then fine. Both definitions mean the same thing anways. I dont reject a theists claim I just dont accept them as valid.
What the town did was wrong in your opinion. They tried to realize their world by rejecting those that dont. You can only try to make things better. Wont prevent anything like this from happening.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "An atheist is a lack of a belief. Both what society considers agnostic and anti-theist fit this definition" and society considers "theory a guess" too. Specific word word definitions are misused but "vox populi" doesn't mean it's correct
"I dont reject a theists claim I just dont accept them as valid" then you reject them
"They tried to realize their world by rejecting those that dont" which is why they're wrong. They want to control and push their religion on others
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 But then how do we talk to one another? You're just arguing over definitions here. I told you what i believe based on your definitions and said they were correct. And it also doesnt mean your language is correct either because you say it is so.
No i just dont accept them. There is a difference. I cant know god to be false, but I can reject premises as truth.
No its why you dont agree w/ them. Yes they do want to push it. Thats their opinion. Its subjective.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "But then how do we talk to one another? You're just arguing over definitions here" that is exactly how we communicate. Though we were using the same words, they had a different meaning to both of us. My "arguemnet over definition" was on purpose to have us using the same meaning for the same word
"No i just dont accept them. I cant know god to be false" I never said gods are false just there's no evidence for them
You're an atheist aka one who rejects theist claims
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Wow..Please read and think. Thats not how we communicate. We communicate by agreeing with definitions first. Thats my point. Youre just posting nonsense responses that add nothing new.
Exactly! I cant reject that a god exists. I dont reject theist claims. I only reject the ones that I can prove false. I reject a premise that tries to prove theist claims as true. The bible for example is easy to reject as proof of gods existence.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
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@vidfreak56 "Wow..Please read and think. Thats not how we communicate. We communicate by agreeing with definitions first. Thats my point. Youre just posting nonsense responses that add nothing new" not at all. My post to you were to pin down what "atheist" and "agnostic" means to you
"Exactly! I cant reject that a god exists. I dont reject theist claims" non sequitur. The only universal claim a theist makes is that there are gods. Claims made past that are tenets of faith
sol3a1 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "I only reject the ones that I can prove false" and you're accusing me of needing to stop, read and think?
You do know that it is impossible to prove a negative as the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, right? Unless you're in a court of law there's no proof just evidence
Things I reject due to no evidence for them
Theism
gods
Nessie
Santa
Easter Bunny
IPU
I can't "prove" any on list above doesn't exist but I do reject them on there's no evidence for them
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vidfreak56 1 month ago
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@sol3a1 Yes absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence. Thus if I cant prove gods non-existence then I can't use that as proof that god doesnt exist.
Things I reject because I have evidence of their non-existence:
Santa (parents told me he doesnt exist)
Easter Bunny (same reason)
You cant make the same claim for god or nessie because you have no evidence for their non-existence. You can only reject claims of evidence. Not the premise in general. Anything more is just a guess.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "No its why you dont agree w/ them" for the same reason you do. There is no evidence to support their claim ergo gods are in the same league as Nessie and the tooth fairy
"Yes they do want to push it. Thats their opinion" no that's their faith and they make decisions and give out punishments based solely on reasonless faith
"Its subjective" the only thing that's subjective is their actions. It's against the Constitution which makes their decision and actions illegal too
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Strawman argument. You dont agree with them so you say they are wrong. I dont say they are wrong for trying to make the world their own, but I personally dont agree w/ it. There's a difference.
Their faith that drives their desires to take action towards others is their opinion. They dont like homosexual marriage. Thats opinion that drives action.
Wrong. The only thing objective are their actions. Their reasons are subj. Yes they are illegal from the POV of law.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "Strawman argument" yes that is all you have despite your claim to the contrary
"You dont agree with them so you say they are wrong" I don't agree with them based on exclusion via tyranny of the majority AND that it is illegal
"Their faith that drives their desires to take action towards others is their opinion" and if their faith drives them to kill unbelievers, that's okay? Actions based on reasonless faith that punish, hurt or harm others is and will be always wrong
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 "yes that is all you have" Merely a contrarian stance. Ill just accept it as a your lack of understanding.
You dont agree with them based on the law. The law enables your opinion that it is wrong (you think law is objectively right? No merely the ones it makes right.). This is your opinion (what ive been saying all along). The law is created by tyranny and majority rule to begin with.
Its not ok in my opinion. Actions will always be wrong in your opinion...yes.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56: Call it what you will but all I've done is make sure the words we used had the same meaning
"The law enables your opinion that it is wrong (you think law is objectively right?" many laws are "just rules" too many times used to keep the elites in power and the way things were to continue being
US laws that try to prevent tyranny of the majority against the minority was one of the 1st attempts to prevent that from happening
This goes past the law into "do unto others"
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 And that was unecessary, as we established that in about the 2nd or third comment.
"Many laws are..." Exactly my point. "just rules" are in quotes because the "rules" are subjective. They are established by power based on opinion. The opinion becomes popular and hence the law is established by the majority.
US laws try to prevent tyranny but fail. They do nothing but protect the private tyranny of others by attempting to protect "personal freedom". Past the law? a myth.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "And that was unecessary" what was?
"'Many laws are...' Exactly my point" no it's not. The law that is being discussed comes from the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that has been abused here by the town
"They are established by power based on opinion" and you're getting more and more desperate. The US 1st Amendment was made to keep the government from establishing a religion or preventing them
Get your act straight as you're getting desperate
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 I believe I told you i agreed w/ called me an agnostic atheist. Thats all that needs to be said about that.
Im desperate? Youre the one whos desperatly grasping straws to try to keep your argument afloat. Youve lost this debate before you started. The constitution is a document imposed by force...period. Its a matter of opinion that it should be and always will be. You just cant handle this. I have a right to question my government. I call it what it is...period.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56: Yes you're desperate as you don't seem to like to be reminded of what terms mean
1: You use the term atheist and agnostic with meanings that I didn't. As to use them with any chance for understanding means that we have to have the same meaning or at least know what the other is trying to say
2: You use the term "proof" when that is never used in science
3: Theism only means that the person believes in gods, no other meaning
4: You can't "prove a negative"
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 1. What meanings? Thats a lie. If anything i may have used them incorrectly.
2. I use the term proof? Never used in science? Your stretching and spreading lies. Prove to me that it isnt.
3. Now your putting words into my mouth. When did i say theism didnt mean a person who believes in god.
4. I can't prove a negative? What does this have to do w/ my position? If I cant prove god doesnt exist, then that means I cant reject the existence of god. Nice try.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "Youre the one whos desperatly grasping straws to try to keep your argument afloat" that would be you witness your last two posts
"Youve lost this debate before you started" really, where? You can't answer that as you've not been able to answer other things you've asserted
"The constitution is a document imposed by force...period" it has? I thought it was ratified. Where is the "force"?
"You just cant handle this" you're inane and non sequiturs? They are getting old
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 "that would be you witness your last two posts" Jibberish
I cant answer others things ive asserted? I dont answer assertions. I answer questions. Your trying to keep a dead argument alive. You fail here.
It was ratified by people over 100 years ago. The restrictions on people it imposes by force. Rights, freedoms...all that delusion thats built up over the years is imposed by force.
"your inane..." IM inane. Your a nationalist apologist.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "I cant answer others things ive asserted? I dont answer assertions" you mean to say that you'll accuse someone of something then not back it up. Please site me on this as I will be happy to point it out where you do
"Your trying to keep a dead argument alive. You fail here" actually you've failed since the beginning but are for some reason trying to save face but you've already lost that
Witness how you use word like "proof" incorrectly
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Go ahead...i believe I havent accused you of anything that isnt true.
LOL "actually youve failed sine the beginning"...copying what I say now? That proves your at least angry.
How do I use the word proof incorrectly?
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "It was ratified by people over 100 years ago" which sums up your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject. Care to guess again when the 1st Amendment to the Constitution was ratified?
"The restrictions on people it imposes by force. Rights, freedoms" you mean the "right" to make others bend to your religious POV?
"all that delusion thats built up over the years is imposed by force" if you're saying "freedom isn't free" but must be defended you're correct
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 I dont care when lol. That still doesnt validate your argument. The constitution is as ideological as the bible. Simple as that.
Yes thats what I mean. Now were talking. Power determines whos right...not ideology. At least your thinking now.
Freedom has to be fought for. So you want to defend what freedom you want. Thats fine. Its the same thing that this community is doing here.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
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@sol3a1 @sol3a1 I dont care when lol. That still doesnt validate your argument. The constitution is as ideological as the bible. Simple as that.
Yes thats what I mean. Now were talking. Power determines whos right...not ideology. At least your thinking now.
Freedom has to be fought for. So you want to defend what freedom you want. Thats fine. Its the same thing that this community is doing here.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
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@sol3a1 @sol3a1 I dont care when lol. That still doesnt validate your argument. The constitution is as ideological as the bible. Simple as that.
Yes thats what I mean. Now were talking. Power determines whos right...not ideology. At least your thinking now.
Freedom has to be fought for. So you want to defend what freedom you want. Thats fine. Its the same thing that this community is doing here.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
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@vidfreak56 "'your inane' IM inane" yes, inane as in inanity where you'll trample on the rights of others to not worship and allow them to be punished for it is inane
"Your a nationalist apologist" if you mean Federalist as in "The Federalist Papers" yes I am
"I can question my government. End of story" of course you can but I fail to see how taking a stand that protects religious freedom and freedom from religion is a good thing
Care to enlighten me?
sol3a1 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "I have a right to question my government" on what? If you want to question a government then question the government of that town that allowed what to occur
"I call it what it is...period" which is your right as you can call a square a circle but like that would be a mistake in geometry the rest of your posts defending those that are imposing their religion or be excluded is still wrong
You lose
Now show where I've done what you stated or retract it
I'll remind you
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 I can question my government. End of story. Thats my opinion as it is your to question other peoples actions. Your an agendist. Youre just interested in controling me w/ rhetoric. Its not gonna work. I think for myself.
"right as you can call a square a circle" More strawman, so ill simply chalk it up to jibberish. Im not defending anyone. You assume I am.
I lose? More opinion. What have I stated that youve done? ROFL.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "Youre just interested in controling me w/ rhetoric" not at all as you're the one who goes off the reservation. Like trying to make sure we had the same the meanings for the words we used? Guilty
As far as unfettered rhetoric goes, your "I have a right to question" on things that are put in to keep any one religious PoV out of the government isn't bright
What next to question, the 13th Amendment? That one took force too!
"What have I stated" nothing of consequence
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Same meaning? Guilty? Yes im trying to make sure we can communicate if thats what you mean. Wow. Bravo for getting me on that one.
LOL you think because its "put in" that means I cant question it? And your not just commenting now to try to control me? Right.
All amendments take force? Im not wrong. Your just a shmuck that cant admit to truth. You think all this "fighting" means youre right? LOL pure delusion.
"nothing of..." I see. Its what I thought.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56: Well vidfreak it is evident that you can't see where you make assertions and then won't back it up
The town was:
Wrong in both a legal and moral sense
US Constitution's designed to protect peoples' rights, not just the current majority
You argue that Laws are forced and that's true but you paint all laws with the same brush and discount how they were ratified. The 1st Amendment wasn't ratified 100 years ago and the 13th Amendment wasn't wither
You're clueless
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Ive made many assertions in this conversation. Its evident that you cant tell me what assertion you're referring to. Are we almost done here?
The town was wrong legally. Morally speaking the town was wrong relative to the girl in question.
You have no rights. Only privileges. And, they can only be "protected" by force.
I said the 13th amend. was ratified over 100 years ago. OVER being the key word. I dont remember the exact date. How laws came to be is irrelevant.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "Ive made many assertions in this conversation" and have not backed up one bit of it
Answer the questions, I have as I've spent a great deal of time trying to get us on the same page
You drop what you don't want to respond to while I'll go out of my way to respond to each of your points
It is obvious you will not do the same and avoid them
Answer the questions
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Ive backed up every one. Tell me what assertions I havent backed and ill back them up.
"same page"...youve spent a great deal of time trying to get me on YOUR page. You arent thinking because of this.
I drop? I havent dropped anything that I havent all ready answered. If we keep repeating things, then we just disagree. Pure and simple.
Avoid? I havent avoided any question. Ive asserted my opinion here. Thats all anyone has done.
Youve asked me nothing in this post.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "Same meaning? Guilty? Yes im trying to make sure we can communicate if thats what you mean" there has been so much more that's flown over your head it is truly sad
When was the 1st Amendment Ratified?
How 'bout the 13th?
Can you tell us again if the town was right in their actions?
What's an atheist?
What does it take to be a theist?
Where are "proofs" used?
You've failed miserably on all those yet you keep running your trap
Until you answer, I'm done with you
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 "flown over my head" I know exactly what youre saying when you say it. I disagree with much of it. Semantics is the reason for this. Opinion is opinion.
-When were 1st and 13th ratified. Neither has anything to do w/ this conversation.
-The towns actions are considered illegal. Thats all.
-Atheist = a lack of a belief in god.
-The next question ive answered.
-mathematical proof? Proof=evidence of existence.
Good enough for you? Your just done my friend..that is all.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "-When were 1st and 13th ratified. Neither has anything to do w/ this conversation" you brought it up when trying to defend that the 1st Amendment is "just a law" and that it was ratified 100 years ago
"-The towns actions are considered illegal. Thats all" and I agree
"-Atheist = a lack of a belief in god" then why did you say it was a belief in that gods don't exist?
"-The next question ive answered" what does a theist believe so it should be easy to answer again
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 The 1st amendment is a law. It was ratified over 100 years ago because I dont remember the dates exactly. It is "just a law". Happens to be what the majority agrees with, but its still just a law.
"and i agree" Phew...this is what ive been saying all along.
I never intended this meaning. If I did it was a mistake. Show me where I said this.
I answered this before. A theist is someone who has a belief in god. A non-lack of a belief if u will.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "-mathematical proof? Proof=evidence of existence" there is no "proof" in science, just math, law and alcohol
"Good enough for you? Your just done my friend..that is all" shows that you don't understand basic concepts, that's all
And no, I'm not your friend
You're more interested in putting forth what you believe and your opinion that what actually is
Goodbye
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 proof= evidence of truth. Thats what i meant. This is what people mean when they say proof. I reject your ridiculous clinging to technicalities here. You know what i meant.
Yes this concept shows that I dont know basic concepts. LOL this proves your an idiot. See what I did there? Youre just done here. Thats the truth when ad hominem attacks reign the posts.
I put forth my opinion because thats what actually is. You live in a deluded fantasy world.
vidfreak56 1 month ago
@vidfreak56 "US laws try to prevent tyranny but fail" only when we let them which is what we have when we hear or read someone say "It's the way it's always been"
"They do nothing but protect the private tyranny of others by attempting to protect 'personal freedom'" and I say BS as this is why they fail when others make excuses for the actions of the majority, which is what you're doing now
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Thats a matter of majority rule. And it is the way its always been. The majority or certian interests will always try to exploit legal loopholes. They just dont agree w/ the law.
Again you're getting into ideology. They fail because they cant fight the majority, as the majority will always win. Its just the way things are. Best you can do is convince as many people as possible that your right. Youll then become the majority.
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@vidfreak56 "The law is created by tyranny and majority rule to begin with" too many laws were that is why the US Constitution was setup to work against that very issue
"Actions will always be wrong in your opinion...yes" depends on action and the reason for it
"No merely the ones it makes right.). This is your opinion (what ive been saying all along)" not just my opinion. What the idiots (my opinion) in the town thought is one thing, the illegality in their actions is not opinion
sol3a1 1 month ago
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@vidfreak56 "They dont like homosexual marriage. Thats opinion that drives action" and the price of tea in China's what again? To deny the rights of two mature adults, regardless of their sexual orientation, of the right to marry is also wrong
"Wrong. The only thing objective are their actions. Their reasons are subj. Yes they are illegal from the POV of law" which I agree their beliefs are subjective and their actions are wrong. Can you show me where I stated anything differently?
sol3a1 1 month ago
@ikaninjau2 for one she got kicked out for not praying in a public school and secondly no people shouldnt be aloud not in public schools and it is also very hypocritical to pray in public
sschmtty1 1 month ago
You mentioned that growth is a good thing. Yes, it is but in this situation, it isn't. To a devout Christian, Atheism isn't growth, it is death. They believe that Christ is life and since atheists have proven themselves to be enemies of God, this family has started the great crusades all over again and those folks will not take it laying down. That town did the right thing for THEM. Australia did the same lately, with their immigration policy. Be an Australian or get out. I applaud them for that
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Yes, it is but in this situation, it isn't. To a devout Christian, Atheism isn't growth, it is death" and to the non-religious, theism isn't expanding one's mind, it's cutting out reason
"atheists have proven themselves to be enemies of God" atheists aren't enemies of a thing that doesn't exist
"That town did the right thing for THEM" you mean exactly the way christian slave owners felt as well?
Seems you're okay with tyranny of the majority so long as Xian tyranny
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Well sir, you have just shot yourself in the foot. "enemies of a thing that doesn't exist" you say? Well, I'll have my evidence now or yuou have nothing more to say.
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Well sir, you have just shot yourself in the foot. "enemies of a thing that doesn't exist" you say?" Yep, there's no evidence the following things exist:
any of the gods
Nessie
Fairies
Unicorns
Dragons
Rhulioins
How can anyone be an enemy to something that doesn't exist?
"Well, I'll have my evidence now or yuou have nothing more to say" you've evidence? Great! Let's see it. f you really did have evidence you'd be sharing it!
You've just shot off your mouth
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Yet another person who can't read. Are all of you atheists so stupid? Seriously. I said that I am not so arrogent ad stupid as to say that i have evidence of my God. Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence. You really are off the chart. Your cheese has slipped off your cracker. YOU made the positive assertion that God doesn't exist and still you haven't proven anything... You need to have that foot looked at and your head examined as well.
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "et another person who can't read. Are all of you atheists so stupid? " I read what you posted and in the words on Indigo Montoya "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" or in your case if many people think you said one thing and you believe you said something else, guess who's most likely wrong
"Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence" then what happened to that girl was a travesty
sol3a1 1 month ago
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@sol3a1 I adore how you put this "or in your case if many people think you said one thing and you believe you said something else, guess who's most likely wrong." Yeah it's like the very few atheists telling the rest of humanity that they are wrong for having a religious or spiritual life... Who's most likely wrong? hummmmmm Can't BILLIONS of people be wrong. To much diverse religions to say that. That stuff happens all the time in small towns, get over it you cry-baby!
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Your cheese has slipped off your cracker" and more insults from one of god's chosen, nice
"YOU made the positive assertion that God doesn't exist and still you haven't proven anything" not all all, I stated that I reject your god exists as I do for fairies and unicorns
You seem to want to change the subject but you stated the community did what they wanted to do
Now as you show there is no evidence for any god, then why should we have to bow to them?
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 You don't have to bow. It is up to you what you do or don't do. The consequences won't change though. As for the town. You really need to understand how small towns work. Good bad or otherwise, It is what it is. If you don't like it, don't move to one. It isn't a hard concept to figure out or are you one of the many stupid atheists. Gimme a break. You really don't understand that? They caused trouble in the wrong place, that's all that happened.
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "You don't have to bow. It is up to you what you do or don't do" and she did by stepping out and she got punished for it
This was not a case where she did something bad, she kept out and got punished for not bowing
"If you don't like it, don't move to one" absolute BS. I have the right to move anywhere I want and no local taliban is going to tell me to pray or go away
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 That's where you are mistaken my dumb friend, but just go ahead and keep telling yourself those deluded thoughts if it makes you sleep better.... and you rhink you are so smart... Well, go ahead, you'll get owned like they did and i'll get to laugh about it when I see your dumb ass on TV.... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Landotter1 1 month ago
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@Landotter1 "That's where you are mistaken my dumb friend, but just go ahead and keep telling yourself those deluded thoughts if it makes you sleep better" that the 1st Amendment has the girl's back? That the US Constitution protects the minority from the majority? What make me not sleep so well are people such as you who think that the Constitution is only for them
"and you rhink you are so smart" far more than you seem to comprehend
sol3a1 1 month ago
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@Landotter1 "Well, go ahead, you'll get owned like they did" so you're completely okay with the majority telling the minority what to do? Only due to you're feeling you're part of the majority
"You want to talk about communism? Sure let's talk about your fancy atheistic lies" The communist societies have "group think" and "getting in line", like those religious nuts in the small town
"Well, I have tried to say how these small towns operate" wrong is wrong and they are wrong
sol3a1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Gimme a break" no way. The hypocrisy of the religious declaring that they can do what they want in the name of their non-existent god boggles the mind. This is not worshiping some god, it's communist group think
Go ahead challenge me on that one and learn a harsh lesson
"You really don't understand that?" I do and that's why I fight to keep religious crap out of my government
Otherwise idiots like you'd think it's a (your type) religious country and the rest can leave
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 You want to talk about communism? Sure let's talk about your fancy atheistic lies... Talk about communism... you can have it Spanky...
Landotter1 1 month ago
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@Landotter1 "positive assertion that God doesn't exist" nope. If I were to claim I've a pet dragon, I better produce the evidence, don't you think, or be labeled a fraud
I never stated there are no gods, could you show where I said that? No? Then retract that and state it clearly. I reject claims there are gods, which isn't a position just as not collecting stamps is not a hobby
"You need to have that foot looked at and your head examined as well" right now my foot is up your ass
sol3a1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Everyone knows that "Theists" don't have this evidence" I have to go back to this line of Bovine Scat
So a theist can't produce evidence of some deity's existence BUT the community is correct in expelling this girl because it was in "their best interest"?
That means it's okay to expel, harass, exploit, etc others on the basis of them not worshiping something that nobody has any evidence that it exists? And that's okay with you?
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 No, plain and simple. they are outsiders. They came into a town that is religious and started causing them trouble with their atheistic drivel. Since, probably 10 generations of their families made that town, these people think they can just come in and try to change everything... (insert loud annoying game show buzzer here) It is NOT how small towns operate, weather it is religion or not. You just don't go causing trouble lest you get ran out on a rail. It is what it is....
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "No, plain and simple. they are outsiders" no they are Americans just like the ones that live there
"They came into a town that is religious and started causing them trouble with their atheistic drivel" they went to an American town that was doing unconstitutional things. So if slavery was there they should become slave owners or slaves then?
"these people think they can just come in and try to change everything" no the town was wrong. Want to pray? Fine, not like that
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 waaaaaaaah get a new towel yours is dripping...... Dude, seriously, I have lived in small towns all my life. I have been an outsider all my life. I KNOW damn well what these people went through. I just haven't been stupid enough to rock the boat. It really doesn't matter what you think. It will happen again and again legal or not.... GET OVER IT and go on... it's ok, you'll be alright....
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "waaaaaaaah get a new towel yours is dripping" you're the only one crying and acting like an ass
I've showed you where the US Constitution backs the girl's play and all you can do is say that the "town has always done it that way" which is as saying "Sharia Law works that way"
Town's no different from the Taliban. If they could, they'd kill the family
Otter what other religious practices are okay?
Stoning adulterer
Stoning unruly kids
Slavery
Child drowning
You lost
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 I didn't lose a thing my dumb friend. This video proves what I have been writing about all along. Lost what? Didn't think so....
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "it's ok, you'll be alright" yes I will be as I know that christianity is going away and the hold that superstition and religious ignorance is going away
Not soon enough, but I see these pathetic attempts to "re-energize the religious" as the last gasps of a dying entity
sol3a1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "It is NOT how small towns operate, weather it is religion or not" the particular details aren't important. If a town is doing something that is against the constitution, they must be called on it
What they did to the girl when she refused to participate shows what they're all about:
Control
Ever heard of "Tyranny of the majority"? Our constitution was deliberately set up to stop that and actions like those small minded townsfolk did all because she wouldn't pray
sol3a1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "You just don't go causing trouble lest you get ran out on a rail. It is what it is" so you're okay with going into a town and them telling you what you can do? Let's say it is a muslim dominated town, I'm guessing you're male so you have to grow your beard and the ladies have to wear the burka or niqab
Now wear it or get run out on a rail but that would mean you couldn't work at the place that just hired you
Town's dead wrong and needs to be sued past bankruptcy
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Maybe Islam needs to sue Australia for their attitdes about immigrants too? The town did right, you just don't like it because you are part of the group that has chosen death over life so you are the opposition... No matter, your opinion means nothing..... If it DID mean something, this might not happen..... Otter is on a roll tonight, the opposition seems to have nothing that can stop him... oooooooh a half court shot... I'll tell ya Bobby, that reminded me of Meadowlark Lemmon
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Maybe Islam needs to sue Australia for their attitdes about immigrants too?" this is not Australia and the girl and her family are not illegal aliens. That you can't tell the difference and wish to treat atheists as non-citizens makes you an ass
"The town did right" again the town did not do right and needs to be sued until they are broken
"Otter is on a roll tonight" downhill, picking up speed all the way to a dead stop
"reminded me of Meadowlark" you're delusional
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Stuff! Get out of the bag and quit crying..... I promise, I'll give you a jello cup! :-D
Landotter1 1 month ago
She ousted herself from the team. She demonstrated that she wasn't a team player. She stood apart, in public. This said I don't want to be part of your goings on. That's kind of like joining the Army because you want to be a soldier but not willing to go to war, if need be. I don't think kicking her out of school is the answer but there are many ways to shun her for not being part of the team. Just life in a small town. Not only religion. An outsider is an outsider.
Landotter1 1 month ago
To exclude anyone from education simply because he/she decides to not participate in a 'prayer circle' dispalys total hypocracy."We'll accept you so long as you 'toe the party line' ".Why not go the whole way and lobotomise the entire faculty/student body? That way no-one can have an independant thought or express freedom of choice! If you choose to believe it,(I don't),but doesn't it say somewhere that god gave us free will? Just a thought.
popazz1 2 months ago
@popazz1 ,
that should read *displays*
popazz1 2 months ago
@popazz1 You don't believe it yet you quote it to satisfy your point of view. Isn't that hypocracy too? Birds of a feather flock together, so what's so different here? Atheists don't accept religious folks because we don't "toe the party line" There are no differences between the two sides. We don't accept each other's belief system, so what?
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 ,
And you use the line,'there are many ways to shun her.....',which kind of tells me all I need to know about you,so no further discussion needed.
popazz1 1 month ago
@popazz1 I have stated that I grew up in small towns all of my life so i know how they operate. That's all you know about me if you read that I think the attitudes are deplorable, you wouldn't make such snap comments, which says a lot about you too. Learn to read please.
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 ,
And,again,folk like you always fall back on the supposed insult,'learn to read'.This is YouTube,not frigging MENSA! So enough.Find someone else to patronise.
popazz1 1 month ago
@popazz1 Don't expect a person to be a genius but to just read and understand what others say before popping off with some lame comment, trying to be in MENSA... What a jack-ass
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 ,
Hell,it must be absolutely bloody marvelous being you.Tell me,do you levitate and walk on water,heal the sick,cast out demons? Oh no,sorry,that's your god.Sorry,pal,you're the jack-ass.Now,do everyone a favour,FUCK OFF!
popazz1 1 month ago
@popazz1 Oh so I reckon you have no evidence eh? Gimpy???? That's EXACTLY what I thought... Score 3 for the OTTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Popped ass zilllllllllch. Everyone fasten your seat belts before we levitate and you will not need your flotation devices. I can walk on water.... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa When we get to our destination, I will continue on the rest of you can ride that jack-ass popped-ass to his finish line. hee-haw-ee-haw....
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 ,
Consider therapy at the earliest opportunity,seriously!
popazz1 1 month ago
@popazz1 Get over it man, you are a chump and you got totally owned... Therepy will only strengthen my resolve..... seriously..... :-D
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "Oh so I reckon you have no evidence eh? Gimpy???? That's EXACTLY what I thought... Score 3 for the OTTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" well it is hard to say you've offered anything but your opinion on why the non-religious must bow to the religious
You certainly haven't given any real thought to what the US Constitution says, just what you want to see happen
Re-read the First Amendment and let us know how that can't possibly exist in this girl's case
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 Well, I have tried to say how these small towns operate and this video report is this prescious "proof" that you stupid atheists demand. I don't know what else to tell you. If you still don't get it, please, go ahead and experience it for yourself, I don't care... It IS what it IS.... OTTER SHOOTS HE SCOOOOOOOORES..... No real competition... You bore me, Spanky.... Think I'll catch a nap......
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 "prescious "proof" that you stupid atheists demand" no we want to have our rights upheld. Freedom of religion is Freedom FROM religion as well
"It IS what it IS" that needs to change
"OTTER SHOOTS HE SCOOOOOOOORES" I don't know what is sadder, your lack of understanding of how religion is not supposed to be supported by any governmental agency or you actually deluded yourself into thinking you won squat
"No real competition" you're too ignorant to be much of anything
sol3a1 1 month ago
@sol3a1 That's all you got? BORING....... zzzzzZZZzzzZZZZzzzz
Landotter1 1 month ago
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@Landotter1 "I didn't lose a thing my dumb friend. This video proves what I have been writing about all along. Lost what? Didn't think so" you lost as per the US Constitution but it seems you don't care about the document that made this country great
"That's all you got? BORING....... zzzzzZZZzzzZZZZzzzz" And you've been down to juvenile insults and no facts
sol3a1 1 month ago
This is typical Christian thinking. Join us or the consequences will be very bad for you! It's a threat! Here it was carried out. Join the prayer group or get kicked out of school. It's just like Jesus saying, "Believe in me, or burn in hell!" Same, same, same. It's a threat. It's not a fair choice, therefore it's not free will. (Free will is that thing that Christians like to brag about that everyone gets as a "gift" from God. Just pay no attention to that gun to your head!)
politicoochie09 2 months ago 4
@politicoochie09 You DO have free will but unfortunately only 2 choices. Hey, I didn't make the rules. There is no gun at your head. You DO have the choice.
Landotter1 1 month ago
@Landotter1 No, it's worse than a gun to your head. It's eternal burning and torture. For what? For the non-eternal thought crime of "I don't believe"? You need to step back a few paces and really look at your god for what he is: evil. You worship this monster blindly (which is exactly what an evil being would want.) A loving god wouldn't care if you questioned him and would NEVER make punishment exceed the crime. If you don't question your beliefs, you can believe in anything, even evil.
politicoochie09 1 month ago