Neither Whitman nor Brown can change anything. The problem lies with the Federal Reserve and within the White House. All that Meg or Jerry can do is struggle to see who gets the best cabin on the Titanic.
Fact is if you vote for Brown, you are supporting the killing of Jobs, Freemarket and flourinshing business infrastructure that is the only hope for America to get out of this serious state of America decline. Brown supports President Obama's FAILING POLICIES....I am a Democrat delegate in the last election...for Hillary Clinton...I couldnt vote for Obama...but NOW ITS CRUCIAL THAT HIS POLICIES ARE STOPPED. Vote for Republican to stop these Tailspinning Policies...if not your state is doomed
Dear god, you gotta be kidding? 'Nut' Meg is the biggest dud you can find. You need to look at her stand on various issues before you go endorsing a candidate. Look how she flip flops on immigration depending on who she's talking to. No clear agenda, just vague feel good promises about 'jobs'. A loser choice. Anyone who spends that much on a campaign has ulterior motives behind them.
Peace to all souls. My friends please see the information that is coming out on mercycal.com It is real and it is the sign we have been looking for 2000 years. It has the power to turn Faith into Truth and take us deep into this new day, this new millenium.. search mercycal here at youtube to see videos.. Keep the Faith my friends...
Sure, it's not great to take money from those who earn it and give it to those that don't. The question is what about people who honestly can't work? Do you think those people should be turned out on to the streets? In every society there will always be "deserving poor".
Political Correctness is a dagger in the heart of America.
Nothing will change,nor be fixed unless we can have a candid and truthful debate on the issues without having to bow to PC and not offending liars, thieves, thugs, Iran, the hate that Islam spews... and the like.
What a load of misrepresentation, misunderstanding of the past and downright nonsense.
A Republican Governor and president put them into this condition, and they expect that another Republican will somehow fix it? Madness... repeating the same action over and over and over again and thinking it will somehow produce a different result.
God knows we have to run our governments like businesses; what maybe like Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, Countrywide or Wal-Mart ... God knows capitalism as a system is beyond reproach.. never known to fail, cause people to cheat, lie or exploit others.
Government run as a business = FASCISM This is the right-wing's TRUE goal!
@kra1813 I thought it was pretty funny. But what's even funnier is that people actually think voting makes a difference. There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. They are put there to give you the illusion that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. Saying there's a difference between the Democrats and Republicans is like saying there is a difference between Coke and Pepsi. There isn't. Same shit, different name
Government is not about profit. Its about controlling spending. have to disagree with you here MOT. Anyone can balance a budget if you have half a brain. Don't need more corporate money makers in government.
Although, she has a right to, spendiing $150 million to an attempt to purchase an office is not right. Meg Whitman did not work all that hard to make $1.5 Billion. She got it stock options, huge ones, and then selling when it was an all time high. More luck and stock strategy than hard work.
Pay the piper or the illegal alien working inn the good ole domestic paradise. Sorry MOT, agree with you 99% of the time. not this one, I think Whitman, like the rest, are part of the problem, not the solution. But as Weppollock says, I think its dirtnap time. Caio.
A perfect example of how clueless ManofLIES really is. He talksg about Republicans and Democrats like they are real, and that they are ANY different from each other. The left right paradigm is a sham and an illusion. Anyone who uses the words republican and democrat, or left and right, or conservative or liberal is completely duped into a false reality, a false paradigm. The Papacy rules EVERY single country in the world thru the Supreme Order of the Jesuits,which controls the Orders of Knights!
The two party tyranny needs to end. How about voting for someone who isn't part of it? Chelene Nightengale is much better option than Brown and Whitman.
@1ringknocker 1ringknocker: Something important: in Europe "liberal" is more "libertarian" in your sense. In Europe the people would say to US liberals = social democrats. And you know everything which contains "social" like socialism, social democracy will go bankrupt ;-)
Redistribution of wealth is a bullshit way of saying it...It's theft. The gov runs fake moral campaigns like "welfare" in order to hide the fact they are an immoral institution.
There are many kind of spirits. Good, super Good, bad, evil, super evil. The most important gift in this part of world history is the gift of discernment.
@manoftruth Discernment AND faith. Since discernment can only assist in developing the more important thing, which is the faith and what it is in, what I am asking you is for specifics in what you have used to discern that Jesus is not who and what the Bible claims, and that my King James Bible is not exactly what it says it is. What references are you using? What books? What teachings? I mean if you have stumbled on some greater truth, you have to do more than declare it! Show it to us!
@manoftruth I mean I also have a great faith and have used discernment to place that Faith in Jesus and the Bible and those are my sources, among others. I am confident that the Bible and it's truth has been tested all through time and holds firm without fail. Someone may find teaching from MANY out there that at first glance may seem to disprove something in the Bible, but when one truly test it and digs deeper, it always passes the test in the end.
@lantsurfer - So, what about people who were Christian and then started researching and found out the actual truth of organized religion being there to control the masses?
Why do you think that churches are tax exempt?....'cause they do the work for governments to keep people docile, which, unfortunelty in some cases is needed. You have some people who don't have the intelligence and control of themselves if they were left without religion to live their lives in a kind and responsible way.
@trollinda Those people were never "understanding" Christians or they would know that being a Christian is a relationship between the individual person, and God. They would also know that it has nothing to do with Churches or buildings, and gathering with a group to worship has little to do with the IRS and the relationship 501c3 organizations have with the IRS! lol Yes, religions were used to control, but that has nothing to do with an individuals salvation and what Jesus taught. Dig deeper!
My father was born in 1929 in the swamps of Louisiana with nothing. Earned a scholarship to a University in CA, became a well known leader in the CHP...and had the respect of every person who ever met him. He may have been a bit of an old man when he had me, but age is wisdom. He thought Jerry Brown was the Devil out to bring down the american way of life. On election day, I will be taking my dad's advice.
no one should starve, no should be homeless, the planet is not for sale. The consumption of this planet has a limit. The more we overpopulate the more we consume. There will be nothing left on this planet. We are destrying ourselve. The Greed,politics,cooperation,religion and money. Fuck everthing. I rather live in hell then live on this planet. Wait a minute. Hell is right here.
@camaro02girl The Earth is not over populated and is not "over consumed" by most of the people either. We are not locust, and only brainwashing by Al Gore and his ilk seeking to profiteer, along with the collectivism of socialism, commies and fascist, could have you believing such nonsense. Well, and ignorance. The earth is overly filled with Greedy elite and the under compassionate though...If not for that "real" problem, the earth can sustain an abundance of life far beyond now.
here's ron paul in 1988 saying, "I anticipate, and many Austrian free market economists anticipate, that the recession that's coming will not be a recession at all but it will a depression and it will probably be bigger than the one we had in the 1930s"; it's at 2:45
@Ethioness I ALREADY explained how constant demand is used to create cycles of inflation and deflation. Ignore it if you wish, which won't be surprising.
Anyway, I can see you prefer to remain willfully ignorant, so I'LL Wait, till you watch the documentaries and stop asking me to explain step by step in comments.
Oh, and one last thing...isn't EVERYONE a man or woman in their bedroom, and probably with a computer at least a few hours a day? lol
@lantsurfer how does constant demand create cycles of inflation and deflation? I am just asking a question here since you seem to know a lot more than I do...
And yes, I agree everyone is in their bedroom and their computer yada yada..got me there. (!) But there are some of us who watch youtube documentaries to get their knowledge of finance and economics. No actual schooling included.. this leads to comments and arguments like yours which are humorous to some. to say the least
@Ethioness Please, stop relying on me to explain it ALL to you and watch the "non utube vids!" lol!
Much I've ALREADY covered!
And yes, some comments on youtube are ignorant, schooling or no schooling, and in the case of our discussions, it is clear that you really don't understand what is going on. Just to humor u ONCE more: The constant demand is met or magnified by the "Fed" increasing or decreasing supply(inflation and deflation) and/ or access(aka pseudo supply or credit). Learn up!
@lantsurfer Thats what you said earlier..OK.. DO you believe other governments own foreign currencies? Where do those demands fall in your scenario of increasing & decreasing of supply? Or do you believe their demand for dollars has no effect on the value of the dollar?
The bottom line, Can our gov decrease or increase supply? yes but so what?
@Ethioness You really want me to explain it ALL to you, and I wish I could in the limited comment space I have, and with the time I have, but obviously, its more than can be covered that way. Watch the documentaries and you'll understand.
As for your question can other governments own foreign currency, yes. And this proves my point even MORE! Don't you get it yet that I am telling you as nicely as possible you have no clue. The demand is constant. Fed increases and shrinks supply. (continued)
@Ethioness They do so counting on a constant demand in order to manipulate the cycle. Now, having said that, the game is almost up and a disruption to the constant demand WILL come, and then cartography! Gold isn't a bubble. It is what it is. You making that statement is so ignorant it is ridiculous. It's merely a reflection of the what the $ can buy, and for how much. Soon, it won't buy anything.
No, our gov can't increase or decrease anything. The fed can, or permit gov to if they wish.
@Ethioness Again, you show that you don't understand even the most simple concepts of our monetary system, and in the time, (hours) that you keep requesting me to explain it to you in comments, thinking you have found some angle, you could have watched at least most of "The Money Masters" and you'd not be embarrassing yourself asking the questions. Not to mention the history you would learn. ANyway, I think I have been more than patient with you in answering ur questions. It's on you now. Peace!
I thought you might be worth convincing but I can see that your are set in your ways and its hard for you to argue your position w/o getting frustrated. My questions were designed to pin you down so that when I ultimately explain my reasonings 1. why gold is in a bubble. and 2. why I'm bullish on the US economy. U'd know where exactly u went wrong.
I've done this many times. Yet you keep going back to these simple common sense definitions that should not be defined at this level of exchange.
@Ethioness It's almost impossible for you to be serious...
I answer YOU over hours in an attempt to help YOU understand what is REALLY going on, and u come back with some nonsense about me getting frustrated, and if I'd only played along long enough etc...Amazing! LOL
Then, you say you've "done this" many times and as always, have held true to shifting to yet ANOTHER point that means nothing.
@lantsurfer "Done this" meaning debated with people w/yr views (seems to be abundant these days) and help them see the truth besides the TV or Youtube documentaries funded with folks with specific agendas so that people like you drink the cool aid just like this guy who is half Mormon and half economist and Morons like Alex Jones.
Go ahead surfer dude!
By the way i still would like to know your schooling if u don't mind. Just answer that and we'll call it a night.
@Ethioness It's not "views", It's our monetary system. Get it? It's a system, not a faith. Deal with it, or remain an ignorant fool. It's ur choice.
As for the "half mormon" I don't know who you mean. As for Alex Jones, that is another straw man and a whole other topic that has nothing to do with our monetary system, which I have been 100% accurate about. You need to un-ignorant urself and stop worrying about the "I'm smart paper" and deal with the facts! LOL
@lantsurfer YOu are doing it again, replying to something said in passing but totally ignoring the main idea at hand. I feel as though I am talking to a kindergartner. You are the most ignorant person I've tried to convince in months especially w/ a youtube education.You remind me of a professor and classmates that laughed when I presented my research paper in 2005 about the coming mortgage collapse. Go ahead Surfer dude. I rather enjoyed and utter confidence in your ignorance. lol
@Ethioness You made all of that up and anyone can see that while I have given loads of fact and information and answered your every question, you just try to sound smart and continue from one thing to the next! And what is it you have tried to convince me of exactly? LOL NOTHING! Well, except to hold your hand and explain step by step how our monetary system works, which you say I am wrong about, yet could never prove because I'm right! Oh, and user name has nothing to do with "surfing" dude lol
@Ethioness And, since I haven't disclosed my education to you, your attempt to deflect your pathetic lack of knowledge back on me by suggesting I know more than you because of yt is shameful, and proves u lack any ability to grasp reality. Even IF someone were to learn something on yt, and come to understand it well, how would "where they learned" it come into play in it's accuracy? Little secret. It wouldn't. Anyway, I bet my university is better than urs, so nananananaaanA!
@lantsurfer why don't you read your comments , u R a typical youtube professor w/ sarcastic comments to everything you disagree with. "sounding smart" is a logic I don't understand. Did u come up with this concept b/c you do this? that type of reply is expected from you.. and you don't disappoint.
I made all that up... ok. Like I said.. Its going to be hard to dislodge u from all those brainwashing videos you watched. and I'm just commenting 500 words at a time.
@Ethioness Yes, why doesn't everyone read the comments and see that while mine are full of indisputable facts about our monetary system and how it works, you have made NONE! Yet, you keep trying to stake claim to some knowledge that you cannot express, while attempting to marginalize what is indisputable about the monetary system based on where you think I am educated. Then when I simply point out anything about me doesn't change the monetary system, u can't take that either.
@lantsurfer I meant characters.. I have to clear that up b/c you R going to pick that up as a confirmation of your youtube educated knowledge vs. of my ineptness.. am i right? Kindergarden? YOu are a typical high school graduate or may be some junior college .. at best.
@Ethioness I know you can't deal with the facts. All you're left with is to mis-characterize me in what you consider to be a demeaning way to marginalize me in your own mind. You can't marginalize that which I have explained to you, or the fact that again and again you've embarrassed urself with an ur lack of knowledge, while at the same time, still attempting to claim how great ur education and even better, the points u have never made, are! I'm beginning to think there's a mental issue with u?
@lantsurfer , Any explanation of known facts that meet your pre-programmed pathetic , un-processed, un refined, youtube educated brain, is deemed to be utterly wrong. Earlier you stated you've been patient, but it's me who has been patient and more than willing in engage in a civilized dialog with you. However, I now have passed that point of get a "life buddy talk" and will start throwing the same feces theories you are such an advocate of. You need to know who is reading your comments.
@Ethioness Yeah, stuff like physics! I got the laws of physics changed just to meet what "I" wanted them to explain! LOL But hey, thanks for verifying that you are not only ignorant in what YOUR faith is in, but willfully so. Saves me a lot of wasted time in trying any harder to get you to do what only you can decide to do, which is truly get educated and stop pretending to know anything, or don't. I have given you enough to get you started by using simple physics to show you've been deceived.
@Ethioness Oh, and could you please explain even on thing that I stated that is wrong, or one single point that you have made that I said is wrong. You see, you just keep issuing insults and saying what I say is wrong, but you never spedcify what is wrong with what I have said...I mean if it's not mental illness on your part, get specific. Say that "I" made point "A", and Point "A" is wrong and here is why based on your knowledge. If not, shut up already. I mean really, what a waste of time u r!
@lantsurfer You are ignorant and illiterate too. You see my surfer friend (i know I know.), in order to debate with some one you have to get to the root of their ideology hence the reason for the questions. Therefore I was documenting your reasonings so u can see them yr self in the end. That's how I was taught to debate. you can't even get passed the first stage w/out sarcastic comnts. Nvrtheless I understand u'r used to discussing like this on utube. which shows none-formal Utube education.
@Ethioness You haven't debated. You have made no pints and no counter points. A debate requires no ideology, as it can be conducted merely as an exercise anyway, which if you had ever truly studied debate, you would know. Since you make no points, cannot point out any points of your own, and do nothing but keep repeating insults and irrelevant assertions over and over, it is 100% obvious that if we had debated, (and we didn't for the reasons I stated, which is you never showed up), I win! lol
@lantsurfer I didn't say I debated I mearlly started to QUESTION you on your ideas and where you get them from.... PLEASE Stop dissecting sentences if you understand the main IDEA being conveyed. That is the first rule of a "Give and Take" Or discussion or debate ....and so forth... Whether calling it IDEOLOGY or not whether I called it knowledge,.. you got the point.. YOU SEE???.. ARE YOU KIDDING /??? You cant be this playschool....
@Ethioness You said, "in order to debate with some one you have to get to the root of their ideology hence the reason for the questions", as a response to me stating that you ask repeated questions. So you only pointing out even more how irrational and illogical and likely unstable you are. You have conveyed NO idea. I explained the monetary system to you and you have explained nothing! NOTHING what so ever! So no, I nor anyone could possibly get your point because you have made none! LOL
@Ethioness Who is the Mormon again, and what does the Mormon have to do with me explaining to you how the economy and monetary system works? Oh, I forgot, you don't have anything to say in the way of facts, or points, or anything else that is relative. It's so funny and what is even more funny is keep adding to your comments here for all to see forever and ever so that people in 5 years will STILL be laughing at you! LOL
@Ethioness You have made no dialogue as you have merely repeatedly asked me to explain things to you, and then without making any points or counterpoints of your own, or even borrowed ones, you just keep throwing insults at "me" as if that makes how the monetary system operate wrong, because I am the one that explained it to you, and yet you never explain how it is wrong, but only that "I" am wrong...Just like "who" reads my comments is irrelevant to the facts as well!!! LOL Nice try guy. lol
@rdority So you're not sure if she's homophobic, (and disagreeing with the gay lifestyle doesn't make her "afraid" of gays), but your are saying that you aren't going to vote for her because she might be...Isn't that homophobicphobic? lol....
The reason you can't have someone else is because the communist and fascist have rigged the election laws in this country to ensure we remain socialist of one kind or another. I'll let you figure out which is the fascist & which is the commie! lol
Bravo,Bravo MOT! These last two videos of yours were rocking.Your passion and concern for this great state of California really impresses me.Although I have no horse in the governor's race,I welcome your opinion.
Here's the bottom line. If you watch the MSM, you might have the idea that people like me are tea party people, but I'm not. I don't like the Repubs. I don't like the Dems. They have screwed the American people. I think that Fox, CNN, etc are the PR arm of the corrupt corporate oligarchy. We need to get the pot stirred in govt until their is a whirlpool formed that will clean out the pipes. Term limits, simple bills and common sense budgets & FREEDOM. Pro politicians need to go home.
You know you could easily fix your entire economic problem, anyone with more than a billion dollars...Take it!, Why do you need more than a billion dollars?? whats the point? your only talking like 500 people too. Boom!!!- problem solved! easy and weird huh? and its these people that are causing the majority of your financial problems too.
... liberals literally take a childish view on money and regard it as growing on a tree and the gov't can redistribute it or create it without there being any consequences.
It's sad to see some of the comments on here -- definitely from those with a liberal mindset. They obviously have no clue that Cali's financial woes were caused by its liberal gov'ts of the past decades. Some of the discussions I have with liberals just show they have no clue re: finance and economics ... they literally view gov'ts role is to provide for them. And when asked where the $ is going to come from their canned response is to "tax the rich and/or evil corporations".
America is still great...A better government is on the way, but we have to wait thru a lot more poo till we get there is all. They are not going to stop there plans for World Order, and a lot of people will perish in the process, They want a reduction in the population of the planet, what is it again? its like from 5 billion to three billion for proper management something crazy like that, The world economy is the propaganda tool they will employ to control us. But you know all this already!!
@Ethioness What do you mean there "will be no?" In case you haven't noticed, there are already entire neighborhoods in even mid sized cities in America where the police wont go at all, or wont go unless in massive force. For all practical purposes they are already in anarchy. Not to mention other places like northern Mexico, Juarez in particular, where the entire area is in anarchy. How you think it "can't" happen, or spread "here", is indeed an illogical mystery.
@Ethioness Oh, so what you meant wasn't that there will be "NO anarchy. Stop stirring up these ridiculous premonitions."
But rather that you think it occurs all of the time and is normal.
Ok, well I guess I made my point about anarchy and why MOT isn't stirring up anything but merely pointing out what is likely given the path we are on, so that's it. Thanks for clearing it all up.
@lantsurfer NO. Those things are not considered Anarchy. Anarchy is something different on a whole another scale. Any random ny gang shoot out should not be considered Anarchy.
@Ethioness "Those things", lol....well, I agree a random gang shootout alone isn't anarchy, and that isn't what I described. I described areas lacking order and the rule of law. Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote, AND look up what anarchy means. I know it won't matter though, as I can see you are conducting a shifting argument so that no matter what one states, you misstate it back, then attempt to argue points that weren't made in an effort to make yourself appear to be right.
@lantsurfer: OK lets look at what wiki defines as "Anarchy"
No rulership or enforced authority.A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder." Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere... DO you think this state is on the way?? Really?
@Ethioness Yes, that is what I described 3 comments ago which is already occurring a great deal in most descent size cities in the us in various areas of the city, as well as nearly the entire northern border of Mexico, and even regions of our southern border within our won country. If it's already happening then what is your point exactly? Some understand that the US isn't somehow immune from the laws of economic, political and social sciences! Some, like you, are stuck in la la land...
@Ethioness Yes, is much limited, and BTW if you are referring to the economic situation (as I assume), look up more for differences between Socialism and Capitalism, not Anarchism vs Totalitarian.
JFYI Libertarians, to define them in a simple manner (even more simplistic than your Wikipedia ;-D) are like Capitalist Anarchists, those are going to be the ones collecting all the people who do not believe in government any more.
Real anarchism won’t work in USA, it's against money, your God
@Ethioness Lol, For you to shift to Gold is par for the course in how you are constantly shifting in an attempt to sound smart. Golds value doesn't change. Just a little economic lesson for you here, but what is REALLY happening is that the worthless paper currency fluctuates in what it can purchase. Sometimes it takes more dollars to buy an ounce, (because the dollars are worth less), and sometimes it takes less dollars, (they are worth more). BTW, I don't buy gold! lol
@Ethioness Simple, mostly it's because the more in circulation, the less it is worth. The less in circulation, the more it is worth.
You need to watch the documentary "The Money Masters", which is free online by searching Google. Yes, it's kind of old looking, but very important historical and economic lessons that may even change your life a litlle! :) After that, watch the updated version, "The Secret of OZ" and then, America: Freedom to Fascism.
@lantsurfer Mostly?? You are wrong. I can't really continue to debate you, sorry. You are like most of these know it all youtubers who see people like this guy here and Peter Shiff and follow them stock lock and barrel. You better wake up and smell the fish when someone is feeding it to you. These guys all have agendas and their predictions are now based not on sound economics but wishful thinking
@Ethioness Um, you never started to debate me...lol Anyway, yes it is mostly because that is 99% of what determines how much a dollar can purchase. Then there are other things as well, such as government interference, price fixing, and on and on...while they do have an effect, the amount in circulation in the totally jacked up "Fed" system is the primary consideration. As for Peter Schiff, I don't watch or listen to him, but I'm not SHIFTING to another topic for you...LOL
@lantsurfer How about demand for the currency ? Did u neglect that?
oK Lantsurfer.... You mentioned gov interference and price fixing ... what country is doing this ( I mean the gov interfering with its own currency).?
@Ethioness The "Demand" for currency is irrelevant, as this is always present. The extra tax imposed on the people, and how the peoples wealth is stolen through taxes and inflation and deflation, is simply through the amount of money "allowed" to be in circulation. Ask anyone that lived through the depression. There was literally no money. The Fed had taken larger and larger amounts out of circulation and engineered yet another "cycle" for them to steal more wealth.
@lantsurfer your first sentence is utterly wrong to the infinite degree. IT is the so called "free market" market from which we see how the daily fluctuation of the currency just as we do the DOW and NASDAQ.. you re telling me the demand for dollars is not one of the causes of the fluctuation/??? you are seriously mistaken .What is your education if I may so inquire? The tax issue is a red hearing ...so I am not getting it to that.
@Ethioness Yes, the demand for dollars is constant. Everyone wants them, and what I just described to you is wholly accurate. I even gave the example about the Depression. Just because you "want' capital, (aka $) doesn't mean they will be available to you. The bankers can, have, will, and ARE withholding capital, creating another cycle in which the outcome is a vacuuming effect of the wealth the "people" have, into the hands of the "bankers". The "Tax" issue is part of the same system.
@lantsurfer This is where you went on a rant when I said to you that taxes are reason the currency fluctuation. Your reasoning was out of this world and based on your "YOUTUBE EDUCATION" . Yes. Its capitalized.
@Ethioness I didn't say the reason for currency fluctuation was "taxes". I explained exactly why there is inflation and deflation, and you have made no point to counter that explanation or anything else for that matter. Now you are totally making stuff up to go on top of it, and just can't keep from digging yourself deeper and deeper into embarrassment. So once more you assert something that isn't true, and isn't relevant in an attempt to do what exactly? You still haven't made any point! LOL
@lantsurfer "The "Demand" for currency is irrelevant, as this is always present. The extra tax imposed on the people, and how the peoples wealth is stolen through taxes and inflation and deflation, is simply through the amount of money "allowed" to be in circulation"
@Ethioness Correct. That is an accurate quote. So where does it say that Taxes i the cause of inflation and deflation?
Oh, it doesn't, but since you have such a phenomenal lack of knowledge on any of these issues, as clearly evident not only here, but your total lack of making any point what so ever of your own, you really can't help that you can't understand not only simple english, but the concepts as well! Nice try. Next!
@lantsurfer Maybe you should take writing classes cause thats how it I understood it. Its actually a run on sentence I really couldn't understand at best. But anyhow, if you say so.
Howabout your theory on demand being constant ,, you still stand by that too?
@Ethioness LOL, well, um, this is a youtube comment section, and so you get what you get in the way of grammar and sentence structure...Hahaha
Yes, the demand for dollars is constant. People want them. Companies want them. Countries want them etc....which is also the major flaw in the fed system. As soon as say China for instance, decides they do not want them, it's gonna be game over and our debt will no longer be so called "financed". Each dollar in circulation is US debt.
@Ethioness Bravo! Now you are starting to "get" it, but not just quite...I said it "is" constant, and it has been since the dollar became the world reserve currency. I didn't say it would always remain so! Also, I misspoke when I said that was "the" flaw in the fed system, although it's a major one and will likely be the "final" one that crashes the system. What I meant was a major flaw. "The" flaw in the fed system is the fed sytem....lol
@lantsurfer Ok.. now back to my question that confused you earlier.. why do you believe it will " likely crash??" These are all questions i want you to really think about no matter how simple they may seem. Don't get frustrated yet ok surf.
@Ethioness First, I do not accept your premise that it confused me, and I am not even 100% sure you asked it! lol...I'll check later to see if you in fact did. For now, it's simple, debt is only sustainable to a certain limit. That goes for individuals, countries, companies, etc...That is why we have "bankruptcy". But that isn't the final answer. For that you'll need to watch "The Money Masters". I am not going to give it to you when I have answered all of ur questions and u refuse to watch it!
@lantsurfer NO NO NO don't send me off to the documentary.. I've seen many of these "$ is dead videos" they have so many "ASSUMPTIONS" built in, based on some so called experts...
YOU MR srufer should be able to summarize your reasonings why you think the $ will crash.... U R Smart enough to do it here! So do it.
@Ethioness I already DID summarize it! BUT, since you aren't getting it, I suggest again, for about the 5th time, you watch the documentary so that you understand these issues, and will never have to ask me to walk you through it with baby steps again! lol
@lantsurfer OK if you say so.. This is what I gather is your reasonings why the "dollar will likely crash" .. Debt is just "unsustainable" is incorrect. As a matter of fact ..our debt is actually sustainable.. and to compare a "country's" debt level to an individuals is BULLSHIT! I did want you to make these points with out reservations. All of your reasonings are FLAWED! I am 100% certain of that. Which is why I say ALL you ppl who think crash is coming are definitely drinking the Coo-laid.
@Ethioness Um, how is it incorrect to compare that a country that has become insolvent is no different than an individual that is insolvent? LOL You may "claim" in your bizzaro wold that simple truth is BS, but, the truth and simple to see plain fact is they are BOTH insolvent!!! Bhahahaha...Nice try AGAIN, but you fail again!
What is still amazing is you continue to claim "I" am wrong, but have no points or counter points to state how the facts I present are wrong. Me thinks u dumb...
1st of all our debt has been much worse debt situation before.
2nd as you may or may not know our public debt is much less as % of GDP than other countries who are not panicking like us ie you. Japans' % of debt to GDP is 189%. Germany's 72%. Britain 68% US 52%! U see the sky is not falling. As far as our exrnl debt interest we are still rated AAA . We are like the PORSHA commercial "There is No Substitute" Gold will never sub. Should I go on.. mr smarty pants ?
@Ethioness First, I am not panicking, and have merely explained to you how the monetary and economic system works. Second, we have not discussed numbers. Third, you have no idea what our debt is, so you cant possibly know if it's sustainable or not! Third, you quote other countries debt as if somehow their debts would mean ours is ok, even if you knew what ours was, and you don't, which further proves you have no clue and are making statements hoping no one else does either! lol Fail again!
@lantsurfer I don't know the debt... what for I already know the debt ratio.... THATS WHAT MATTERS FOOL!!! Go to school before you run your fingers next time. I am done with you.
@Ethioness Yeah, that matters and THE DEBT is a primary factor in the ratio! LOL You are unbelievable, but I am no longer surprised by any retarded thing you say! And you aren't "done with me", you are done with the monetary system! Either way, your vague comments and total lack of information, and inability to make any points has been entertaining so thanks for that! LOL
@lantsurfer Sorry I had to reply to this last comment.. I'm trying to get out but you keep pulling me back in!!LOL.
YOU ARE TOTAL A NUBE. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I JUST SAID. "The debt is a primary factor in the ratio???".. what does that mean?? I suggest you pick up a book or two how the GDP is calculated and you might get an idea. Yea and I'm unbelievable..
I guess we can end it here b/c obviously we are two ships passing through the night... we will never see each other's points. lol.
@Ethioness You said it all when you said, "what does that mean??" LOL
I mean are you actually asking me what ratio means? Or how the debt itself is a primary factor in the ratio? Either way, the point is you don't get it, as usual, so I'll post a definition of the Debt to GDP ratio below.
Take note it's calculated using "Government" debt or "Total debt". The United States owes so much of both, combined with being global in scope it's easy to determine it's unsustainable.
@Ethioness I normally don't quote wikipedia, but it's something ul be able to easily find.
"Particularly in macroeconomics, various debt-to-GDP ratios can be calculated. The most commonly used ratio is the Government debt divided by the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which reflects the government's finances, while another common ratio is the total debt to GDP, which reflects the finances of the nation as a whole."
So, as I said before, the Debt is a primary factor in "The Ratio!" LOL
@lantsurfer No no no no no no! You are misreading what it says..that's not what it says at all. WOW! And I was actually thinking I MIGHT convince you by using "actual" data... Well.. Thats fine.. Good luck youtube friend.
@Ethioness Yet another perfect example that proves once and for all you have no clue and can only resort to vague statements with nothing to back it up, which prevents you from making any points or arguments, and unable to present any facts.
See, what you could have said, as I have done over and over and over, is exactly what the factual point, relative to your statement that I am misreading it, you are basing that on. What informs your statement and opinion. But ok...good luck to you too!
a country can not be compared to an individuals because an individual can't print money. An individual's ability to payback the loan is not as relatively substantiated as a whole Country... YOU ARE DUMB if u can't figure this. Nothing is insolvent until it is insolvent... at this point what ever I say ,, u wil not credit me cause of yr ego but thats fine.
U have to watch documentaries to convince you while u have the raw #s staring at you. I have more convincing to do if ur ego can take it..
@Ethioness What anyone that has any understanding of economics and the monetary system will quickly and easily understand from my statement that you have quoted here, is that the inflation and deflation cycle, which I explain is artificially engineered, act as a tax. You have attempted to say I made a point that is totally opposite of what I said. You sure provide the entertainment, I gotta hand you that. Too bad you won't just watch the documentaries and keep trying to make it about me! lol
@Ethioness And if I didn't say that and you didn't say that, then what conversation are you speaking of? Again, you make no sense, and are making no points. Anyway, even if you had said taxes cause currency fluctuation, you would have at least mad "a" point for a change, but you didn't so far as I can tell, so no one knows what you are talking about. On top of all of that, I still explained the real reason for inflation and deflation, so it's there for all to see.
@Ethioness How you think that taxes are a red hearing only serves as more proof you don't have a clue! lol...I bet you think your income taxes go to build roads and schools! Bhaha
As for the Dow and Nasdaq analogy, the only thing that was close to correct there was when you said " so called free market!" LOL
Look, it is OVERLY apparent that you honestly mean well, and yet have absolutely NO clue...for the last time, watch the documentaries, then we'll talk more. Not before! My education? LOL
@Ethioness As for your price fixing question, are you gonna actually have me teach all of this in comments, or might you watch what I suggested, so YOU will know.
When you say "what country", I know you don't have any understanding of what's going on. The "Bankers", including "The Fed", (a private bank in case you didn't know), have no "country" and are not patriots of any kind. They rule over you, and suck out profits using taxes and banking. Like u, most have no clue about this. Learn up! :)
@lantsurfer I didn't want to get in to the tax issue, but you would be surprised not only do I use to work in the finance, I assure u I know more than you give me credit for. I was afraid of this, thats why I said the "tax issue" is a red hearing.
And save your patronizing comments to someone who believes you are more than a man in his bedroom with a computer.
You stated earlier demand does not have any affect on currency b/c its "constant" pls continue. this is going to be interesting...
@Ethioness No, actually, it's you that is "patronizing", and maybe you should look up that word as well! lol And if you DO work in "finance" that means what exactly? I can tell you that unless you are already aware of these things I have mentioned, and a LOT more, it means you are an employee like any other that has no clue about these issues. Where you "work" is a red herring. Taxes, absolutely are NOT!
@lantsurfer And what is the measure of the price of Gold => Money and demand in the markets, not the real life, no one uses so much gold.
It is more stable than paper, but jet not free of speculation. Purchase energy, which is the real value that sets the standard for all economy and society. Purchase plutonium or any other component needed to create energy, and you will be saver than relying on Gold, that is nothing more than an old way of money, as today paper.
@fitobcnfito Well, the real measure of the price of Gold is what other real commodities it can buy relative to inflation. For the most part that doesn't change over time. What changes is the amount of worthless paper money it takes to buy those same commodities, including Gold. As for your bigger point, of course if you were trapped on an Island with no food and a trillion dollars, and 10 billion pounds of Gold, you would still starve! lol
@lantsurfer You are correct, is has been much stable, but there is no real life reason for so, they could well decide tomorrow, paper money parity with gold is no longer accepted (this is not far in time at the actual economic situation; there is people who even hold Fort Knox is empty), and say good bye to the value of any of your gold. The only thing is needed to run life, is ENERGY, and that is a fact, not economic theories or pricing. A kilowatt of power is so today, and tomorrow.
@fitobcnfito As for comparing paper worthless money with Gold, and a decision to no longer accept it, I partially agree, except that the gold will inherently always hold SOME value over cotton weaved, worthless fed notes! And if I had to bet money, I'd say Fort Knox i empty too! Lol....As for say goodbye to "my" gold, I already stated I don't buy gold. I also explained that I was explaining to someone else and you since you commented about the interaction of Gold and worthless paper money.
@lantsurfer All I'm saying is that the real value of things is not based in Gold nor money, is ENERGY, the sooner we accept this, the sooner we will learn how not to run uneficient economies. You need to extrapoilate the energy youplace to get energy: just think how much energy is needed to place a pitza at your table, and how muchenergy your body gets out of it... guess what, there is a huge defficit.
Neither Whitman nor Brown can change anything. The problem lies with the Federal Reserve and within the White House. All that Meg or Jerry can do is struggle to see who gets the best cabin on the Titanic.
charkee1 1 year ago
OK say hello to the moon. He is back and crazy as ever.
cyanzone 1 year ago
Jerry Brown won :-( Time to move out of California
bluejay02920 1 year ago
Haahaa! You're a fuckin' idiot.
nbryc 1 year ago
Fact is if you vote for Brown, you are supporting the killing of Jobs, Freemarket and flourinshing business infrastructure that is the only hope for America to get out of this serious state of America decline. Brown supports President Obama's FAILING POLICIES....I am a Democrat delegate in the last election...for Hillary Clinton...I couldnt vote for Obama...but NOW ITS CRUCIAL THAT HIS POLICIES ARE STOPPED. Vote for Republican to stop these Tailspinning Policies...if not your state is doomed
Crusader4ever1 1 year ago
Dear god, you gotta be kidding? 'Nut' Meg is the biggest dud you can find. You need to look at her stand on various issues before you go endorsing a candidate. Look how she flip flops on immigration depending on who she's talking to. No clear agenda, just vague feel good promises about 'jobs'. A loser choice. Anyone who spends that much on a campaign has ulterior motives behind them.
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MercyCal 1 year ago
Sure, it's not great to take money from those who earn it and give it to those that don't. The question is what about people who honestly can't work? Do you think those people should be turned out on to the streets? In every society there will always be "deserving poor".
dublin58 1 year ago
Socialism and marxism in California? Surely you jest!
mn8aol 1 year ago
lol
Picknroll6 1 year ago
Ditto A Thousand Times............
gombet 1 year ago
MOT I'm loving the passion! keep out the good work!!!
Giffcorp 1 year ago
@Giffcorp Thanks but... SO MUCH TO COVER!!! Harry R. Mark Levin, gold, food prices, the fed.
Will the elections change things? What do you think I think?
manoftruth 1 year ago
@Giffcorp where can i find a walmart in ohio that sells wheat in buckets or how do i find out where
rickw2354 1 year ago
Political Correctness is a dagger in the heart of America.
Nothing will change,nor be fixed unless we can have a candid and truthful debate on the issues without having to bow to PC and not offending liars, thieves, thugs, Iran, the hate that Islam spews... and the like.
1ringknocker 1 year ago
What a load of misrepresentation, misunderstanding of the past and downright nonsense.
A Republican Governor and president put them into this condition, and they expect that another Republican will somehow fix it? Madness... repeating the same action over and over and over again and thinking it will somehow produce a different result.
unquietsoul 1 year ago
best government money can buy.
hoosierhiver 1 year ago
God knows we have to run our governments like businesses; what maybe like Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, Countrywide or Wal-Mart ... God knows capitalism as a system is beyond reproach.. never known to fail, cause people to cheat, lie or exploit others.
Government run as a business = FASCISM This is the right-wing's TRUE goal!
marcostar57 1 year ago
Jerry Brown has a track record of making everything worse. WHY ON EARTH would we vote him back in AGAIN???
alwaysguapo 1 year ago
Meg Whitan is a whore.......
I'm Jerry Brown and I approve this message
fasteddie847 1 year ago 2
@fasteddie847 A truly mature and insightful comment.
kra1813 1 year ago
@kra1813 I thought it was pretty funny. But what's even funnier is that people actually think voting makes a difference. There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. They are put there to give you the illusion that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. Saying there's a difference between the Democrats and Republicans is like saying there is a difference between Coke and Pepsi. There isn't. Same shit, different name
fasteddie847 1 year ago
Government is not about profit. Its about controlling spending. have to disagree with you here MOT. Anyone can balance a budget if you have half a brain. Don't need more corporate money makers in government.
kgradee32 1 year ago
In other words, it wasn't salary earnings.
moissanitestar 1 year ago
Although, she has a right to, spendiing $150 million to an attempt to purchase an office is not right. Meg Whitman did not work all that hard to make $1.5 Billion. She got it stock options, huge ones, and then selling when it was an all time high. More luck and stock strategy than hard work.
moissanitestar 1 year ago
Pay the piper or the illegal alien working inn the good ole domestic paradise. Sorry MOT, agree with you 99% of the time. not this one, I think Whitman, like the rest, are part of the problem, not the solution. But as Weppollock says, I think its dirtnap time. Caio.
huskerbird1 1 year ago
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1ringknocker 1 year ago
A perfect example of how clueless ManofLIES really is. He talksg about Republicans and Democrats like they are real, and that they are ANY different from each other. The left right paradigm is a sham and an illusion. Anyone who uses the words republican and democrat, or left and right, or conservative or liberal is completely duped into a false reality, a false paradigm. The Papacy rules EVERY single country in the world thru the Supreme Order of the Jesuits,which controls the Orders of Knights!
kidwave1 1 year ago
Hell yeah, the Yacht owning class just can't catch a break, they need more lowly plebes like us, to defend them.
It's not enough that the top 1% control more wealth than 95% of America, damn it.
They deserve more.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
I just drove by that area about 5 hours ago!
AmericasTopRifle 1 year ago
Moon Beam will probably win because of the dumb ass liberals living in California.
mja2035 1 year ago
The two party tyranny needs to end. How about voting for someone who isn't part of it? Chelene Nightengale is much better option than Brown and Whitman.
renegade2142 1 year ago
California is like Europe, they have gone to far down that liberal road to turn back. Their sense of reality is pure fantasy, they are done.
1ringknocker 1 year ago
@1ringknocker Amen ringknocker, AMEN!
manoftruth 1 year ago
@1ringknocker 1ringknocker: Something important: in Europe "liberal" is more "libertarian" in your sense. In Europe the people would say to US liberals = social democrats. And you know everything which contains "social" like socialism, social democracy will go bankrupt ;-)
grossleinbach 1 year ago
Redistribution of wealth is a bullshit way of saying it...It's theft. The gov runs fake moral campaigns like "welfare" in order to hide the fact they are an immoral institution.
drogden 1 year ago
There are many kind of spirits. Good, super Good, bad, evil, super evil. The most important gift in this part of world history is the gift of discernment.
manoftruth 1 year ago
@manoftruth Discernment AND faith. Since discernment can only assist in developing the more important thing, which is the faith and what it is in, what I am asking you is for specifics in what you have used to discern that Jesus is not who and what the Bible claims, and that my King James Bible is not exactly what it says it is. What references are you using? What books? What teachings? I mean if you have stumbled on some greater truth, you have to do more than declare it! Show it to us!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@MOT, that was partially meant for Trolinda just to clarify...
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@manoftruth I mean I also have a great faith and have used discernment to place that Faith in Jesus and the Bible and those are my sources, among others. I am confident that the Bible and it's truth has been tested all through time and holds firm without fail. Someone may find teaching from MANY out there that at first glance may seem to disprove something in the Bible, but when one truly test it and digs deeper, it always passes the test in the end.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer - So, what about people who were Christian and then started researching and found out the actual truth of organized religion being there to control the masses?
Why do you think that churches are tax exempt?....'cause they do the work for governments to keep people docile, which, unfortunelty in some cases is needed. You have some people who don't have the intelligence and control of themselves if they were left without religion to live their lives in a kind and responsible way.
trollinda 1 year ago
@trollinda Those people were never "understanding" Christians or they would know that being a Christian is a relationship between the individual person, and God. They would also know that it has nothing to do with Churches or buildings, and gathering with a group to worship has little to do with the IRS and the relationship 501c3 organizations have with the IRS! lol Yes, religions were used to control, but that has nothing to do with an individuals salvation and what Jesus taught. Dig deeper!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@manoftruth - Kinda like, "are you a good witch or a bad witch?" ;-)
trollinda 1 year ago
My father was born in 1929 in the swamps of Louisiana with nothing. Earned a scholarship to a University in CA, became a well known leader in the CHP...and had the respect of every person who ever met him. He may have been a bit of an old man when he had me, but age is wisdom. He thought Jerry Brown was the Devil out to bring down the american way of life. On election day, I will be taking my dad's advice.
MissNevada08 1 year ago
@MissNevada08 Me too! Crossing Nevada right now!
manoftruth 1 year ago
no one should starve, no should be homeless, the planet is not for sale. The consumption of this planet has a limit. The more we overpopulate the more we consume. There will be nothing left on this planet. We are destrying ourselve. The Greed,politics,cooperation,religion and money. Fuck everthing. I rather live in hell then live on this planet. Wait a minute. Hell is right here.
camaro02girl 1 year ago
@camaro02girl The Earth is not over populated and is not "over consumed" by most of the people either. We are not locust, and only brainwashing by Al Gore and his ilk seeking to profiteer, along with the collectivism of socialism, commies and fascist, could have you believing such nonsense. Well, and ignorance. The earth is overly filled with Greedy elite and the under compassionate though...If not for that "real" problem, the earth can sustain an abundance of life far beyond now.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
Meg equals goldman sachs. im sure ebay has no competition because of this fact.
Lucky7wins 1 year ago
here's ron paul in 1988 saying, "I anticipate, and many Austrian free market economists anticipate, that the recession that's coming will not be a recession at all but it will a depression and it will probably be bigger than the one we had in the 1930s"; it's at 2:45
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sfiorare 1 year ago
I see you are not going to explain how demand has no effect on currency.. I will wait for your reply
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness I ALREADY explained how constant demand is used to create cycles of inflation and deflation. Ignore it if you wish, which won't be surprising.
Anyway, I can see you prefer to remain willfully ignorant, so I'LL Wait, till you watch the documentaries and stop asking me to explain step by step in comments.
Oh, and one last thing...isn't EVERYONE a man or woman in their bedroom, and probably with a computer at least a few hours a day? lol
Talk about Straw man statements and arguments!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer how does constant demand create cycles of inflation and deflation? I am just asking a question here since you seem to know a lot more than I do...
And yes, I agree everyone is in their bedroom and their computer yada yada..got me there. (!) But there are some of us who watch youtube documentaries to get their knowledge of finance and economics. No actual schooling included.. this leads to comments and arguments like yours which are humorous to some. to say the least
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Please, stop relying on me to explain it ALL to you and watch the "non utube vids!" lol!
Much I've ALREADY covered!
And yes, some comments on youtube are ignorant, schooling or no schooling, and in the case of our discussions, it is clear that you really don't understand what is going on. Just to humor u ONCE more: The constant demand is met or magnified by the "Fed" increasing or decreasing supply(inflation and deflation) and/ or access(aka pseudo supply or credit). Learn up!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Thats what you said earlier..OK.. DO you believe other governments own foreign currencies? Where do those demands fall in your scenario of increasing & decreasing of supply? Or do you believe their demand for dollars has no effect on the value of the dollar?
The bottom line, Can our gov decrease or increase supply? yes but so what?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness You really want me to explain it ALL to you, and I wish I could in the limited comment space I have, and with the time I have, but obviously, its more than can be covered that way. Watch the documentaries and you'll understand.
As for your question can other governments own foreign currency, yes. And this proves my point even MORE! Don't you get it yet that I am telling you as nicely as possible you have no clue. The demand is constant. Fed increases and shrinks supply. (continued)
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness They do so counting on a constant demand in order to manipulate the cycle. Now, having said that, the game is almost up and a disruption to the constant demand WILL come, and then cartography! Gold isn't a bubble. It is what it is. You making that statement is so ignorant it is ridiculous. It's merely a reflection of the what the $ can buy, and for how much. Soon, it won't buy anything.
No, our gov can't increase or decrease anything. The fed can, or permit gov to if they wish.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness Again, you show that you don't understand even the most simple concepts of our monetary system, and in the time, (hours) that you keep requesting me to explain it to you in comments, thinking you have found some angle, you could have watched at least most of "The Money Masters" and you'd not be embarrassing yourself asking the questions. Not to mention the history you would learn. ANyway, I think I have been more than patient with you in answering ur questions. It's on you now. Peace!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
I thought you might be worth convincing but I can see that your are set in your ways and its hard for you to argue your position w/o getting frustrated. My questions were designed to pin you down so that when I ultimately explain my reasonings 1. why gold is in a bubble. and 2. why I'm bullish on the US economy. U'd know where exactly u went wrong.
I've done this many times. Yet you keep going back to these simple common sense definitions that should not be defined at this level of exchange.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness It's almost impossible for you to be serious...
I answer YOU over hours in an attempt to help YOU understand what is REALLY going on, and u come back with some nonsense about me getting frustrated, and if I'd only played along long enough etc...Amazing! LOL
Then, you say you've "done this" many times and as always, have held true to shifting to yet ANOTHER point that means nothing.
I explained why you are wrong about ur #1.
Ur #2..well, that's shocking! Bearish? Nooo! :)
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer "Done this" meaning debated with people w/yr views (seems to be abundant these days) and help them see the truth besides the TV or Youtube documentaries funded with folks with specific agendas so that people like you drink the cool aid just like this guy who is half Mormon and half economist and Morons like Alex Jones.
Go ahead surfer dude!
By the way i still would like to know your schooling if u don't mind. Just answer that and we'll call it a night.
Thnks anyways)
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness It's not "views", It's our monetary system. Get it? It's a system, not a faith. Deal with it, or remain an ignorant fool. It's ur choice.
As for the "half mormon" I don't know who you mean. As for Alex Jones, that is another straw man and a whole other topic that has nothing to do with our monetary system, which I have been 100% accurate about. You need to un-ignorant urself and stop worrying about the "I'm smart paper" and deal with the facts! LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer YOu are doing it again, replying to something said in passing but totally ignoring the main idea at hand. I feel as though I am talking to a kindergartner. You are the most ignorant person I've tried to convince in months especially w/ a youtube education.You remind me of a professor and classmates that laughed when I presented my research paper in 2005 about the coming mortgage collapse. Go ahead Surfer dude. I rather enjoyed and utter confidence in your ignorance. lol
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness You made all of that up and anyone can see that while I have given loads of fact and information and answered your every question, you just try to sound smart and continue from one thing to the next! And what is it you have tried to convince me of exactly? LOL NOTHING! Well, except to hold your hand and explain step by step how our monetary system works, which you say I am wrong about, yet could never prove because I'm right! Oh, and user name has nothing to do with "surfing" dude lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness And, since I haven't disclosed my education to you, your attempt to deflect your pathetic lack of knowledge back on me by suggesting I know more than you because of yt is shameful, and proves u lack any ability to grasp reality. Even IF someone were to learn something on yt, and come to understand it well, how would "where they learned" it come into play in it's accuracy? Little secret. It wouldn't. Anyway, I bet my university is better than urs, so nananananaaanA!
LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer why don't you read your comments , u R a typical youtube professor w/ sarcastic comments to everything you disagree with. "sounding smart" is a logic I don't understand. Did u come up with this concept b/c you do this? that type of reply is expected from you.. and you don't disappoint.
I made all that up... ok. Like I said.. Its going to be hard to dislodge u from all those brainwashing videos you watched. and I'm just commenting 500 words at a time.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yes, why doesn't everyone read the comments and see that while mine are full of indisputable facts about our monetary system and how it works, you have made NONE! Yet, you keep trying to stake claim to some knowledge that you cannot express, while attempting to marginalize what is indisputable about the monetary system based on where you think I am educated. Then when I simply point out anything about me doesn't change the monetary system, u can't take that either.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer I meant characters.. I have to clear that up b/c you R going to pick that up as a confirmation of your youtube educated knowledge vs. of my ineptness.. am i right? Kindergarden? YOu are a typical high school graduate or may be some junior college .. at best.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness I know you can't deal with the facts. All you're left with is to mis-characterize me in what you consider to be a demeaning way to marginalize me in your own mind. You can't marginalize that which I have explained to you, or the fact that again and again you've embarrassed urself with an ur lack of knowledge, while at the same time, still attempting to claim how great ur education and even better, the points u have never made, are! I'm beginning to think there's a mental issue with u?
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer , Any explanation of known facts that meet your pre-programmed pathetic , un-processed, un refined, youtube educated brain, is deemed to be utterly wrong. Earlier you stated you've been patient, but it's me who has been patient and more than willing in engage in a civilized dialog with you. However, I now have passed that point of get a "life buddy talk" and will start throwing the same feces theories you are such an advocate of. You need to know who is reading your comments.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yeah, stuff like physics! I got the laws of physics changed just to meet what "I" wanted them to explain! LOL But hey, thanks for verifying that you are not only ignorant in what YOUR faith is in, but willfully so. Saves me a lot of wasted time in trying any harder to get you to do what only you can decide to do, which is truly get educated and stop pretending to know anything, or don't. I have given you enough to get you started by using simple physics to show you've been deceived.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness Oh, and could you please explain even on thing that I stated that is wrong, or one single point that you have made that I said is wrong. You see, you just keep issuing insults and saying what I say is wrong, but you never spedcify what is wrong with what I have said...I mean if it's not mental illness on your part, get specific. Say that "I" made point "A", and Point "A" is wrong and here is why based on your knowledge. If not, shut up already. I mean really, what a waste of time u r!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer You are ignorant and illiterate too. You see my surfer friend (i know I know.), in order to debate with some one you have to get to the root of their ideology hence the reason for the questions. Therefore I was documenting your reasonings so u can see them yr self in the end. That's how I was taught to debate. you can't even get passed the first stage w/out sarcastic comnts. Nvrtheless I understand u'r used to discussing like this on utube. which shows none-formal Utube education.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness You haven't debated. You have made no pints and no counter points. A debate requires no ideology, as it can be conducted merely as an exercise anyway, which if you had ever truly studied debate, you would know. Since you make no points, cannot point out any points of your own, and do nothing but keep repeating insults and irrelevant assertions over and over, it is 100% obvious that if we had debated, (and we didn't for the reasons I stated, which is you never showed up), I win! lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer I didn't say I debated I mearlly started to QUESTION you on your ideas and where you get them from.... PLEASE Stop dissecting sentences if you understand the main IDEA being conveyed. That is the first rule of a "Give and Take" Or discussion or debate ....and so forth... Whether calling it IDEOLOGY or not whether I called it knowledge,.. you got the point.. YOU SEE???.. ARE YOU KIDDING /??? You cant be this playschool....
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness You said, "in order to debate with some one you have to get to the root of their ideology hence the reason for the questions", as a response to me stating that you ask repeated questions. So you only pointing out even more how irrational and illogical and likely unstable you are. You have conveyed NO idea. I explained the monetary system to you and you have explained nothing! NOTHING what so ever! So no, I nor anyone could possibly get your point because you have made none! LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Irrational ??? said the MORMON. LOL
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Who is the Mormon again, and what does the Mormon have to do with me explaining to you how the economy and monetary system works? Oh, I forgot, you don't have anything to say in the way of facts, or points, or anything else that is relative. It's so funny and what is even more funny is keep adding to your comments here for all to see forever and ever so that people in 5 years will STILL be laughing at you! LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness You have made no dialogue as you have merely repeatedly asked me to explain things to you, and then without making any points or counterpoints of your own, or even borrowed ones, you just keep throwing insults at "me" as if that makes how the monetary system operate wrong, because I am the one that explained it to you, and yet you never explain how it is wrong, but only that "I" am wrong...Just like "who" reads my comments is irrelevant to the facts as well!!! LOL Nice try guy. lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
If it's Brown Flush it down
aceyorba 1 year ago
Moonbeam is a bum!
spineadjuster13 1 year ago
This would make a great political ad for Whitman! Seriously.
kra1813 1 year ago
MOT....whats to become of the united states before the lord comes...will it really be hell on earth. 3rd world....
audrapriscilla 1 year ago
Obama said today to the democrates to not be discouraged. This simple means the election will be fixed. So, there is no chance.
mossmossjdify 1 year ago
Lets not forget that meg has ties to gold-man Sachs?
They both SUCK!
sealhunter5 1 year ago
it does seem pathetic when a politician puts millions of their own money up in order to try and win. That smells funny to me.
Also, isn't Meg HOMOPHOBIC? I'm sorry, but that doesn't work for me.
Also, I have a real problem with a business person running for office. Corporations are generally ruthless. They have no heart.
I'm not saying I'm for Jerry Brown in any way. Just afraid of her if she is homophobic and all about business.
Can't we have someone else? Why just 2 choices?
rdority 1 year ago
@rdority So you're not sure if she's homophobic, (and disagreeing with the gay lifestyle doesn't make her "afraid" of gays), but your are saying that you aren't going to vote for her because she might be...Isn't that homophobicphobic? lol....
The reason you can't have someone else is because the communist and fascist have rigged the election laws in this country to ensure we remain socialist of one kind or another. I'll let you figure out which is the fascist & which is the commie! lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
Bravo,Bravo MOT! These last two videos of yours were rocking.Your passion and concern for this great state of California really impresses me.Although I have no horse in the governor's race,I welcome your opinion.
GirlFromIpanema1966 1 year ago
@GirlFromIpanema1966 Thanks for the comment
manoftruth 1 year ago
basic principles! thats what it comes down to.
bnash2002 1 year ago
@bnash2002 AMEN AND AMEN!!!
manoftruth 1 year ago
Here's the bottom line. If you watch the MSM, you might have the idea that people like me are tea party people, but I'm not. I don't like the Repubs. I don't like the Dems. They have screwed the American people. I think that Fox, CNN, etc are the PR arm of the corrupt corporate oligarchy. We need to get the pot stirred in govt until their is a whirlpool formed that will clean out the pipes. Term limits, simple bills and common sense budgets & FREEDOM. Pro politicians need to go home.
Shameonfed 1 year ago 2
@Shameonfed Nice comment. Extremely well stated!!! Thanks!! MOT
manoftruth 1 year ago
You know you could easily fix your entire economic problem, anyone with more than a billion dollars...Take it!, Why do you need more than a billion dollars?? whats the point? your only talking like 500 people too. Boom!!!- problem solved! easy and weird huh? and its these people that are causing the majority of your financial problems too.
Maddness1ca 1 year ago
What makes California great? Renting rooms.
I have two jobs just to have my own place but i know plenty of people renting rooms or still at there parents home just to live in this state!
My frame of thinking about California? Put a fork in it this thing is done!
California is a multi-story building with no windows, with an out of control fire on the main floor
Meg Whitman aka Arnold Schwarzenegger is a slow way down.
Jerry Brown is the fast way down the fire pole into the fire ! ! !
texture6 1 year ago
... liberals literally take a childish view on money and regard it as growing on a tree and the gov't can redistribute it or create it without there being any consequences.
jeff99az 1 year ago
It's sad to see some of the comments on here -- definitely from those with a liberal mindset. They obviously have no clue that Cali's financial woes were caused by its liberal gov'ts of the past decades. Some of the discussions I have with liberals just show they have no clue re: finance and economics ... they literally view gov'ts role is to provide for them. And when asked where the $ is going to come from their canned response is to "tax the rich and/or evil corporations".
jeff99az 1 year ago
Amen mot
twistedbydsign99 1 year ago
every union idiot will vote for brown bagger???? fking brain washed idiots don't know their pension funds are broke just like our state!!!
redline1189 1 year ago
I mailed in my vote for Jerry today...screw that bitch whitman
58tkdmike 1 year ago
@58tkdmike Agreed Whitman is a fucking treacherous bitch.
dbztiki 1 year ago
America is still great...A better government is on the way, but we have to wait thru a lot more poo till we get there is all. They are not going to stop there plans for World Order, and a lot of people will perish in the process, They want a reduction in the population of the planet, what is it again? its like from 5 billion to three billion for proper management something crazy like that, The world economy is the propaganda tool they will employ to control us. But you know all this already!!
Maddness1ca 1 year ago
Calfornia is not for sale dude.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness It is in a state of insolvency that will lead to anarchy.
manoftruth 1 year ago
@manoftruth There will be NO anarchy. Stop stirring up these ridiculous premonitions.
Ethioness 1 year ago 3
@Ethioness What do you mean there "will be no?" In case you haven't noticed, there are already entire neighborhoods in even mid sized cities in America where the police wont go at all, or wont go unless in massive force. For all practical purposes they are already in anarchy. Not to mention other places like northern Mexico, Juarez in particular, where the entire area is in anarchy. How you think it "can't" happen, or spread "here", is indeed an illogical mystery.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer That happens all the time. why do you think this is not normal..
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Oh, so what you meant wasn't that there will be "NO anarchy. Stop stirring up these ridiculous premonitions."
But rather that you think it occurs all of the time and is normal.
Ok, well I guess I made my point about anarchy and why MOT isn't stirring up anything but merely pointing out what is likely given the path we are on, so that's it. Thanks for clearing it all up.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer NO. Those things are not considered Anarchy. Anarchy is something different on a whole another scale. Any random ny gang shoot out should not be considered Anarchy.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness "Those things", lol....well, I agree a random gang shootout alone isn't anarchy, and that isn't what I described. I described areas lacking order and the rule of law. Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote, AND look up what anarchy means. I know it won't matter though, as I can see you are conducting a shifting argument so that no matter what one states, you misstate it back, then attempt to argue points that weren't made in an effort to make yourself appear to be right.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer: OK lets look at what wiki defines as "Anarchy"
No rulership or enforced authority.A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder." Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere... DO you think this state is on the way?? Really?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yes, that is what I described 3 comments ago which is already occurring a great deal in most descent size cities in the us in various areas of the city, as well as nearly the entire northern border of Mexico, and even regions of our southern border within our won country. If it's already happening then what is your point exactly? Some understand that the US isn't somehow immune from the laws of economic, political and social sciences! Some, like you, are stuck in la la land...
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer OMG! You are hopeless. Ok There is Anarchy... Go Buy your gold and lock yourself in your room. I give up.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness you call someone hopeless since you do not agree with the concept of anarchism, baed in the info you got from a wilipedia O.o!!!
OMG who is the hopeless in this picture?
Americanos fanaticos y carentes del más minimo conocimineto de política, que no sea sus constitución, su pasi, su su su su... morireis de EGO
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito YOu have a problem with the definition?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yes, is much limited, and BTW if you are referring to the economic situation (as I assume), look up more for differences between Socialism and Capitalism, not Anarchism vs Totalitarian.
JFYI Libertarians, to define them in a simple manner (even more simplistic than your Wikipedia ;-D) are like Capitalist Anarchists, those are going to be the ones collecting all the people who do not believe in government any more.
Real anarchism won’t work in USA, it's against money, your God
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@Ethioness Wait, are you saying gold is a bad investment???
lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Exactly GOLD IS OLD. Sell gold now. Forget what you heard so far.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Lol, For you to shift to Gold is par for the course in how you are constantly shifting in an attempt to sound smart. Golds value doesn't change. Just a little economic lesson for you here, but what is REALLY happening is that the worthless paper currency fluctuates in what it can purchase. Sometimes it takes more dollars to buy an ounce, (because the dollars are worth less), and sometimes it takes less dollars, (they are worth more). BTW, I don't buy gold! lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Ok Mr Smarty Pants. Answer this. Why does the "paper currency" fluctuate??????
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Simple, mostly it's because the more in circulation, the less it is worth. The less in circulation, the more it is worth.
You need to watch the documentary "The Money Masters", which is free online by searching Google. Yes, it's kind of old looking, but very important historical and economic lessons that may even change your life a litlle! :) After that, watch the updated version, "The Secret of OZ" and then, America: Freedom to Fascism.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Mostly?? You are wrong. I can't really continue to debate you, sorry. You are like most of these know it all youtubers who see people like this guy here and Peter Shiff and follow them stock lock and barrel. You better wake up and smell the fish when someone is feeding it to you. These guys all have agendas and their predictions are now based not on sound economics but wishful thinking
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Um, you never started to debate me...lol Anyway, yes it is mostly because that is 99% of what determines how much a dollar can purchase. Then there are other things as well, such as government interference, price fixing, and on and on...while they do have an effect, the amount in circulation in the totally jacked up "Fed" system is the primary consideration. As for Peter Schiff, I don't watch or listen to him, but I'm not SHIFTING to another topic for you...LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer How about demand for the currency ? Did u neglect that?
oK Lantsurfer.... You mentioned gov interference and price fixing ... what country is doing this ( I mean the gov interfering with its own currency).?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness The "Demand" for currency is irrelevant, as this is always present. The extra tax imposed on the people, and how the peoples wealth is stolen through taxes and inflation and deflation, is simply through the amount of money "allowed" to be in circulation. Ask anyone that lived through the depression. There was literally no money. The Fed had taken larger and larger amounts out of circulation and engineered yet another "cycle" for them to steal more wealth.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer your first sentence is utterly wrong to the infinite degree. IT is the so called "free market" market from which we see how the daily fluctuation of the currency just as we do the DOW and NASDAQ.. you re telling me the demand for dollars is not one of the causes of the fluctuation/??? you are seriously mistaken .What is your education if I may so inquire? The tax issue is a red hearing ...so I am not getting it to that.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yes, the demand for dollars is constant. Everyone wants them, and what I just described to you is wholly accurate. I even gave the example about the Depression. Just because you "want' capital, (aka $) doesn't mean they will be available to you. The bankers can, have, will, and ARE withholding capital, creating another cycle in which the outcome is a vacuuming effect of the wealth the "people" have, into the hands of the "bankers". The "Tax" issue is part of the same system.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer This is where you went on a rant when I said to you that taxes are reason the currency fluctuation. Your reasoning was out of this world and based on your "YOUTUBE EDUCATION" . Yes. Its capitalized.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness I didn't say the reason for currency fluctuation was "taxes". I explained exactly why there is inflation and deflation, and you have made no point to counter that explanation or anything else for that matter. Now you are totally making stuff up to go on top of it, and just can't keep from digging yourself deeper and deeper into embarrassment. So once more you assert something that isn't true, and isn't relevant in an attempt to do what exactly? You still haven't made any point! LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer "The "Demand" for currency is irrelevant, as this is always present. The extra tax imposed on the people, and how the peoples wealth is stolen through taxes and inflation and deflation, is simply through the amount of money "allowed" to be in circulation"
Lantsurfer.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Correct. That is an accurate quote. So where does it say that Taxes i the cause of inflation and deflation?
Oh, it doesn't, but since you have such a phenomenal lack of knowledge on any of these issues, as clearly evident not only here, but your total lack of making any point what so ever of your own, you really can't help that you can't understand not only simple english, but the concepts as well! Nice try. Next!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Maybe you should take writing classes cause thats how it I understood it. Its actually a run on sentence I really couldn't understand at best. But anyhow, if you say so.
Howabout your theory on demand being constant ,, you still stand by that too?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness LOL, well, um, this is a youtube comment section, and so you get what you get in the way of grammar and sentence structure...Hahaha
Yes, the demand for dollars is constant. People want them. Companies want them. Countries want them etc....which is also the major flaw in the fed system. As soon as say China for instance, decides they do not want them, it's gonna be game over and our debt will no longer be so called "financed". Each dollar in circulation is US debt.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Well if China does not want them doesn't that mean demand "is not there" doesn't it? So why do you consider it "Constant"?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Bravo! Now you are starting to "get" it, but not just quite...I said it "is" constant, and it has been since the dollar became the world reserve currency. I didn't say it would always remain so! Also, I misspoke when I said that was "the" flaw in the fed system, although it's a major one and will likely be the "final" one that crashes the system. What I meant was a major flaw. "The" flaw in the fed system is the fed sytem....lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Ok.. now back to my question that confused you earlier.. why do you believe it will " likely crash??" These are all questions i want you to really think about no matter how simple they may seem. Don't get frustrated yet ok surf.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness First, I do not accept your premise that it confused me, and I am not even 100% sure you asked it! lol...I'll check later to see if you in fact did. For now, it's simple, debt is only sustainable to a certain limit. That goes for individuals, countries, companies, etc...That is why we have "bankruptcy". But that isn't the final answer. For that you'll need to watch "The Money Masters". I am not going to give it to you when I have answered all of ur questions and u refuse to watch it!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer NO NO NO don't send me off to the documentary.. I've seen many of these "$ is dead videos" they have so many "ASSUMPTIONS" built in, based on some so called experts...
YOU MR srufer should be able to summarize your reasonings why you think the $ will crash.... U R Smart enough to do it here! So do it.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness I already DID summarize it! BUT, since you aren't getting it, I suggest again, for about the 5th time, you watch the documentary so that you understand these issues, and will never have to ask me to walk you through it with baby steps again! lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer OK if you say so.. This is what I gather is your reasonings why the "dollar will likely crash" .. Debt is just "unsustainable" is incorrect. As a matter of fact ..our debt is actually sustainable.. and to compare a "country's" debt level to an individuals is BULLSHIT! I did want you to make these points with out reservations. All of your reasonings are FLAWED! I am 100% certain of that. Which is why I say ALL you ppl who think crash is coming are definitely drinking the Coo-laid.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Um, how is it incorrect to compare that a country that has become insolvent is no different than an individual that is insolvent? LOL You may "claim" in your bizzaro wold that simple truth is BS, but, the truth and simple to see plain fact is they are BOTH insolvent!!! Bhahahaha...Nice try AGAIN, but you fail again!
What is still amazing is you continue to claim "I" am wrong, but have no points or counter points to state how the facts I present are wrong. Me thinks u dumb...
lantsurfer 1 year ago
now we get in to some #s..
1st of all our debt has been much worse debt situation before.
2nd as you may or may not know our public debt is much less as % of GDP than other countries who are not panicking like us ie you. Japans' % of debt to GDP is 189%. Germany's 72%. Britain 68% US 52%! U see the sky is not falling. As far as our exrnl debt interest we are still rated AAA . We are like the PORSHA commercial "There is No Substitute" Gold will never sub. Should I go on.. mr smarty pants ?
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness First, I am not panicking, and have merely explained to you how the monetary and economic system works. Second, we have not discussed numbers. Third, you have no idea what our debt is, so you cant possibly know if it's sustainable or not! Third, you quote other countries debt as if somehow their debts would mean ours is ok, even if you knew what ours was, and you don't, which further proves you have no clue and are making statements hoping no one else does either! lol Fail again!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer I don't know the debt... what for I already know the debt ratio.... THATS WHAT MATTERS FOOL!!! Go to school before you run your fingers next time. I am done with you.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yeah, that matters and THE DEBT is a primary factor in the ratio! LOL You are unbelievable, but I am no longer surprised by any retarded thing you say! And you aren't "done with me", you are done with the monetary system! Either way, your vague comments and total lack of information, and inability to make any points has been entertaining so thanks for that! LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer Sorry I had to reply to this last comment.. I'm trying to get out but you keep pulling me back in!!LOL.
YOU ARE TOTAL A NUBE. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I JUST SAID. "The debt is a primary factor in the ratio???".. what does that mean?? I suggest you pick up a book or two how the GDP is calculated and you might get an idea. Yea and I'm unbelievable..
I guess we can end it here b/c obviously we are two ships passing through the night... we will never see each other's points. lol.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness You said it all when you said, "what does that mean??" LOL
I mean are you actually asking me what ratio means? Or how the debt itself is a primary factor in the ratio? Either way, the point is you don't get it, as usual, so I'll post a definition of the Debt to GDP ratio below.
Take note it's calculated using "Government" debt or "Total debt". The United States owes so much of both, combined with being global in scope it's easy to determine it's unsustainable.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness I normally don't quote wikipedia, but it's something ul be able to easily find.
"Particularly in macroeconomics, various debt-to-GDP ratios can be calculated. The most commonly used ratio is the Government debt divided by the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which reflects the government's finances, while another common ratio is the total debt to GDP, which reflects the finances of the nation as a whole."
So, as I said before, the Debt is a primary factor in "The Ratio!" LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer No no no no no no! You are misreading what it says..that's not what it says at all. WOW! And I was actually thinking I MIGHT convince you by using "actual" data... Well.. Thats fine.. Good luck youtube friend.
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness Yet another perfect example that proves once and for all you have no clue and can only resort to vague statements with nothing to back it up, which prevents you from making any points or arguments, and unable to present any facts.
See, what you could have said, as I have done over and over and over, is exactly what the factual point, relative to your statement that I am misreading it, you are basing that on. What informs your statement and opinion. But ok...good luck to you too!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
a country can not be compared to an individuals because an individual can't print money. An individual's ability to payback the loan is not as relatively substantiated as a whole Country... YOU ARE DUMB if u can't figure this. Nothing is insolvent until it is insolvent... at this point what ever I say ,, u wil not credit me cause of yr ego but thats fine.
U have to watch documentaries to convince you while u have the raw #s staring at you. I have more convincing to do if ur ego can take it..
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness What anyone that has any understanding of economics and the monetary system will quickly and easily understand from my statement that you have quoted here, is that the inflation and deflation cycle, which I explain is artificially engineered, act as a tax. You have attempted to say I made a point that is totally opposite of what I said. You sure provide the entertainment, I gotta hand you that. Too bad you won't just watch the documentaries and keep trying to make it about me! lol
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness And if I didn't say that and you didn't say that, then what conversation are you speaking of? Again, you make no sense, and are making no points. Anyway, even if you had said taxes cause currency fluctuation, you would have at least mad "a" point for a change, but you didn't so far as I can tell, so no one knows what you are talking about. On top of all of that, I still explained the real reason for inflation and deflation, so it's there for all to see.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness How you think that taxes are a red hearing only serves as more proof you don't have a clue! lol...I bet you think your income taxes go to build roads and schools! Bhaha
As for the Dow and Nasdaq analogy, the only thing that was close to correct there was when you said " so called free market!" LOL
Look, it is OVERLY apparent that you honestly mean well, and yet have absolutely NO clue...for the last time, watch the documentaries, then we'll talk more. Not before! My education? LOL
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@Ethioness As for your price fixing question, are you gonna actually have me teach all of this in comments, or might you watch what I suggested, so YOU will know.
When you say "what country", I know you don't have any understanding of what's going on. The "Bankers", including "The Fed", (a private bank in case you didn't know), have no "country" and are not patriots of any kind. They rule over you, and suck out profits using taxes and banking. Like u, most have no clue about this. Learn up! :)
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer I didn't want to get in to the tax issue, but you would be surprised not only do I use to work in the finance, I assure u I know more than you give me credit for. I was afraid of this, thats why I said the "tax issue" is a red hearing.
And save your patronizing comments to someone who believes you are more than a man in his bedroom with a computer.
You stated earlier demand does not have any affect on currency b/c its "constant" pls continue. this is going to be interesting...
Ethioness 1 year ago
@Ethioness No, actually, it's you that is "patronizing", and maybe you should look up that word as well! lol And if you DO work in "finance" that means what exactly? I can tell you that unless you are already aware of these things I have mentioned, and a LOT more, it means you are an employee like any other that has no clue about these issues. Where you "work" is a red herring. Taxes, absolutely are NOT!
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer And what is the measure of the price of Gold => Money and demand in the markets, not the real life, no one uses so much gold.
It is more stable than paper, but jet not free of speculation. Purchase energy, which is the real value that sets the standard for all economy and society. Purchase plutonium or any other component needed to create energy, and you will be saver than relying on Gold, that is nothing more than an old way of money, as today paper.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito Well, the real measure of the price of Gold is what other real commodities it can buy relative to inflation. For the most part that doesn't change over time. What changes is the amount of worthless paper money it takes to buy those same commodities, including Gold. As for your bigger point, of course if you were trapped on an Island with no food and a trillion dollars, and 10 billion pounds of Gold, you would still starve! lol
STILL, gold has retained value for 6K yrs...
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer You are correct, is has been much stable, but there is no real life reason for so, they could well decide tomorrow, paper money parity with gold is no longer accepted (this is not far in time at the actual economic situation; there is people who even hold Fort Knox is empty), and say good bye to the value of any of your gold. The only thing is needed to run life, is ENERGY, and that is a fact, not economic theories or pricing. A kilowatt of power is so today, and tomorrow.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito As for comparing paper worthless money with Gold, and a decision to no longer accept it, I partially agree, except that the gold will inherently always hold SOME value over cotton weaved, worthless fed notes! And if I had to bet money, I'd say Fort Knox i empty too! Lol....As for say goodbye to "my" gold, I already stated I don't buy gold. I also explained that I was explaining to someone else and you since you commented about the interaction of Gold and worthless paper money.
lantsurfer 1 year ago
@lantsurfer All I'm saying is that the real value of things is not based in Gold nor money, is ENERGY, the sooner we accept this, the sooner we will learn how not to run uneficient economies. You need to extrapoilate the energy youplace to get energy: just think how much energy is needed to place a pitza at your table, and how muchenergy your body gets out of it... guess what, there is a huge defficit.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago