I am a young person who grew up with kids embedded in hip hop. Today's hip-hop is wrong and horrible, it sends kids wrong messages and it has the worse psychological stronghold of any music.
Hip Hop musicians defend their chavunists and savage lyrics and behavior of the guise of being "real".
Hip Hop/Rap has changed a lot the past 20 years and a lot of it due to corporate control and music industry creating clowns like 50 cent, Snoop Dogg former drug deals to be idols of today's youth.
Wynton has created LESS innovation to Black and Art and Culture, than countless Hip Hop artists. Wynton has not "invented" any new form or "sound". He mastered many styles - from Duke Ellington to Wayne Shorter style early 60's hard bop. He's a brilliant technician, competent composer and arranger, and a scholar. But he is not an innovator. Guru/Premiere were innovators. He can promote his activities without disparaging other important contribution. He's not "old" because of age but his rhetoric
The musical innovation and complexity of Gangstarr, Tribe Called Quest, Roots, Black Star -- the powerful evolution of spoken word that has grown out of and connected to Hip Hop is a major cultural contribution. If not for Hip Hop, 1000's of people who got turned on to Jazz would not have occured as their entry point was through samples and hybrid projects. Hip Hop is THE most important "new" genre to emerge in the last 25 years worldwide. And as great a scholar and musician as Wynton is....
When American Jazz elevated to a more sophisticated "art music", it left the popular realm. Other things came along to replace it. Blues, Boogie Woogie, eventually rock, soul, disco -- and Hip Hop came along and took over the continuation. It became the music of the people. Telling the story, dance-able, accessible. Jazz like Classical has evolved to a non-popular art-form. After 30+ years of Hip Hop, its ignorant to sum it up in a few statements. There is no "one Hip Hop" ...
He said, "I'm on a campaign for the best of American culture". The implication that Hip Hop is somehow NOT part of the best of American Culture, is simply - ignorant and overly simplistic. Popular music, reflects culture of the every-day person and life. It incorporates words(lyrics/story telling), and sounds (tunes/harmonies) and rhythms that are accessible. Early Jazz reflected the African American experience. With themes, lyrics, sound and dance-able. Hip Hop has picked up that thread...
@shanrico i think wynton was referring to what hip hop/rap is shown in the mainstream. You cant tell me that the good hip hop and rap is any where near a majority of what people listen to. most music today that gets the attention and is the focal point is not based off good musical ideas. they cant sing there are no harmonies etc. some of them cant perform outside a studio, they sound awful live. a lot of it has no lasting value. i say that because after a year or 2 its on to the next thing
Wynton Marsalis has been "speaking out" on his very strong views since he emerged on the scene as a 19 year old virtuoso of Trumpet. I had problems with his comments then and I have problems with his comments today. Because he is such a "giant" of sanctioned institutions (Lincoln Center, major record labels) and because he is so talented and studied, his views get more exposure and credence than other people. He is out of his depth, if he's going to comment on something as large as "Hip Hop" ...
There's rap, and there's hip hop. There is some amazing hip hop. There is also a TON of garbage, but that applies to every genre. Hip Hop is just the most popular and glamourized. This dude needs to listen to some real shit.
Brotha Marsalis U speak the truth, especially when u said "Most adults want to defend it because they don't want to seem NOT HIP & not part of it!"
EXACTLY! A lot of parents try to be their kids best friends rather than teach & lead. Yet They're in denial because they deny the debouchery in the "majority" of the music. Some ppl pull excuses out of their ass to JUSTIFY the negative messages & images. Mr. Marsalis you've got good intentions & you're an example of a strong Black man. Peace brotha
@JazzyZenBrotha@trumpetdudeman07 he is a hater of hip hop. he said that "hip hop snt the best of american music". He obviously doesnt like the lyrics in it but thats just some songs. We all know theres good hip hop and theres bad hip hop, theres good jazz and theres bad jazz. i can listen to bad jazz, but that doesnt give me the right to say jazz is bad. Wynton is one of those bad jazz "musicians". hes very unoriginal, even Miles Davis and Keith Jarrett said this about him. They said hes arrogan
He is such a great guy! I had the pleasure of seeing one of his concerts and being able to speak with him afterwards...he is extremely well spoken and intelligent!
Wynton Marsalis IS a role model for young musicians Worldwide. This interview is yet another shining example as to why so many young musicians (even within the contextual comments) feel so passionate about his teaching. It takes quite a lot to impress the youth of America are coming through both the public and private arts schools; places like Interlochen, PAI, Banff, Aspen, Tanglewood, etc. I don't see hip hop artists being brought into these arts places. Wonder what the reason could be?
I agree in part with what Wynton is saying, but you can't generalise the whole genre, there are some incredibly talented and musical hip hop artists, in the UK there's a guy called Soweto Kinch who plays jazz sax AND raps.
Guys like Guru, De La Soul.. tell me they're not credible!
not all hiphop is unintelligent or otherwise crap; just the bulk of it is...if Wynton just made this point clearly, it´d be a lot more easy to get his message through...
but still, i´m certainly on his side. crap is crap and there´s no need for being shy saying this despite those digging the shit are never willing to hear about the true substance of their admiration.
I use to think Jazz was all about having a good time and celebrating new musical ideas but I guess I was mistaken. It seems now Jazz has be over run with intellectuals who think they are the supreme judges of what's good music and what's bad music. Not saying you have to like everything (though I've yet to come across a musical genre I didn't like) but this putting down of some music just because it doesn't meet your standards is just childish and in my opinion goes against what Jazz is about.
i was reading some of these comments and noticed some people thinking hip hop is an art form. haha that couldn't be further from the truth. Jazz is art. how can you compare 50 cent or talib kwali for that matter to Duke Ellington? Granted alot of jazz musicians had drug problems but at least they took the time for theory and learning to play over changes not what word rhymes and what beat fits.
I'm a jazz musician myself, and I agree with what you say, but don't make a sweeping generalization about hip-hop. have you ever checked out A Tribe Called Quest, De la Soul or The Roots? These groups are indeed artists, who don't get the credit they deserve for validating hip-hop music.
Almost all current "hip-POP" like the rappers you mentioned is over produced and laughably un-artistic. However, check out some serious cats in that genre. It's definitely worth your time.
You all have your opinions...he has his. He is an educated musician, I believe his opinion carries a fair bit of weight but that's all it is in the end: an opinion, not a life-or-death matter.
This is fucking ignorant. People said the same thing about jazz in its beginnings. He's no different then them. And Wynton should know that jazz's beginnings were in whore houses. It used sexuality, too. And obviously you guys havn't listened to a lot of Hip Hop. There's a lot of good stuff with MC's who are actually poets. Sole, Sage Francis, P.O.S., Heiroglyphics. How about checking those guys out before saying something like that.
So you are oing to show your ignorance by saying the youth of america is going in the right direction? Wow. Hip hop is complete bullshit. Kids are going in the wrong direction and retards like you lie to them saying everything is going good. You and everyone like you are completely ruining this world.
Haha obviously you haven't listened to much hip-hop at all. These guys on MTV: not hip hop. People said the same thing about jazz that they do about hip-hop. It's no different. And if you knew anything about jazz and the guys that Wynton idolizes you would know that those guys weren't much better. Read up on a little jazz history. And how am I "ruining the world"? Please fucking tell me because I'd love to know.
You are looking at the past to validate the present? That is a bad move. Just because hip-hop is going down a similar road to jazz does not mean that they will end up in the same place. Your argument is so full of fallacies it would take to many characters to point them all out. If Wynton Idolizes bad people, so what? People can idolize whomsoever they wish. Liking a bad person does not make you bad. "ruining the world" was just a statement I used to tie my argument together. Sorry it was blunt
So if people can idolize whoever they want then why are kids going in the wrong direction cuz of hip-hop? Cuz you still haven't said that. You haven't told me how I'm "ruining the world"? It still has a meaning. All you did was tell me I'm ignorant you haven't said how kids are "going in the wrong direction".
A person's idol does not make them but what they do. If a person has a negative idol yet does good things, it's all good. Marsalis might have negative idols, but he seems to have chosen the positive path. Children on the other hand are easily manipulated which makes negative idols all the more influential, thus causing the problem. It doesn't matter what the genre will become but what it is presently, and all hip hop is is a bunch of garbage. Ran out of room so I must make another comment.
People like you are rining the world by taking advantage of children and leading them to self destruction. All I know is that all the hip-hop I have listened to has horrible lyrics and all that jazz. It corrupts the childrens' fragile little minds and distorts their perception. If you can't see by just looking around you that kids are going in the wrong direction, then i feel bad for you. It is painfully obvious and now is not the time to be oblivious to the problems at hand: bad role-models.
Oh fuck that. That is the biggest load of bull shit. Kids are doing the same thing now that they've always done. Please tell me how kids are going in the wrong direction? Some examples? What hip hop stars are you talking about that are bad role models? Please let me know. Because to be honest it sounds like you're talking out your ass. Let people idolize who they want. These hip hop stars work hard for what they have. And they sing about what they know. That's what people have always done.
If you are so blinded that you can not see the decline of society and the causes, I feel sorry for you. What I have sen from hip hop is mostly negative. No need to get your panties in a bunch because someone has a different opinion than you. I don't care if people idolize others if they want. In fact, I have already said that they should be able to. It's when the corruption of the role models begins to poison society that I have a problem. Just because it is in the past does not mean it is good.
Please show me how society is declining? Because I'm not seeing it and I'm not sure where you're seeing it. I think that it's the exact opposite. The crime rate has been on a decline since the 70s and that's funny cuz that's when hip hop was invented so if you can show me how people like me are ruining the world then I'll believe you. And you can believe whatever you want. You're the one that started this, friend.
As time is progressing, the freedoms our country was based on are deminishing. Our value system is fucked up. Children are taught to hate at a young age, and they carry it with them. Negative behavior is applauded and positive behavior is looked down upon. You are connecting crime and hip-hop which is an unjust statement. Just because hip-hop came out at the same time as the decreasing crimerate, does not mean hip-hop caused the decline of crime.
I don't care what you believe. All I wanted to pint out your false connections. Also, I was in a bad mood when I wrote my first comment so I apologize for my rude behavior. Sorry for insulting you.
Haha I could keep this going but I have no hard feelings towards you. I totally disagree with everything you've said but I'm gonna end this. There's no reasons to keep it up.
@eyenhailee Hip Hop is not music, and that isnt an insult. It's poetry with a beat behind it. it would be an insult to other genres to lable it as music, especially now adays, when all you need to make a million seller is 1 hour with a synthesizer and a lyricist. The focus of hip hop has shifted more towards drug use, crime, and degrading women. And this is what kids are looking up to now. rappers dont put any work into what they do. they dont have to. Because at its core its only poetry.
@waffleboy83 While it is true that a lot of hip-hop is about drug use and such, I totally disagree with you saying hip-hop isn't music. I agree that it can be looked at as poetry with a beat behind it, but if you put it that way, all lyrical music is poetry with a beat/melody/music set with it. That's like saying someone of a different nationality isn't a person. I have to challenge you and ask you to define "music" if you can say hip-hop isn't music.
your statements are not informed. you don't listen to hip hop. you just listen to the hip hop thats pushed in front of you. try listening to the ROOTS...MOS DEF....COMMON....TALIB Kwali....
My statements are informed because I have heard hip hop and sadly I am not impressed. It is shitty music with bad lyrics. Who are you to tell me what I do and do not listen to anyway? So by your way of thinking, to understand a genre I have to look deep into its backrounds. This is utter bullshit. I can understand a genre by listening to a few singers of said genre. I don't have to listen to all of the singers in a genre to understand it. Hip hop sucks and you know it.
It doesn't matter how old you are & which music are you listenin'. Everybody taste different music... Wynton is right Hip Hop is not about thugs, gangstas-wankstas, drugs or any of those nonsence. It's all about expressing your self. It's an art to live on step with Hip Hop. Feel it.
Charles Ives...I'm 16. I think anything outside of the Romantic Era in Classical music and Afro-American music past the very basic folk roots is modern. don't consider it THE modern music, but a version of modern music.
i just turned sixteen, i hate most modern music. i like jazz, classical, and some modern groups like dream theater, and tool. way to go man, its not easy to be in that position nowadays. you have a great taste in music!
oh yeah. paganini is one of my favorites. along with bach, who is basically my hero lol. some other classical favorites include pictures at an exhibition, tchaikovskys, as well as myaskovsky's violin conciertos in d. mahler's second kicks but, such a cool piece. rhapsody in blue, ect.
Hey, this is all good... but yall need to hear this cat Vthov. Search "Vthov Obama Inauguration Song" and you'll see what I'm talking about. He's a nobody now, but he's gonna blow up with talent like that. If I'm lyin I'm flyin.
well just to start off "Dnotes" is Fucking retarded and needs to shove his head up his ass so he doesn't start talking about shit he knows nothing about. I'm 18 and listen to hip hop now and then but when I discovered jazz it was like nothing I've ever heard before. It's the variety, the history, the sound that compares to no other type of music. Black people as a culture we continue to go down this path of creating great art forms like jazz and then abandoning it. I really don't understand this
What ticks me off is when a young cat who cannot sing, don't know what a C scale is put together some stupid rap that makes absolutly no sense sample it on top of a 70's groove(real music) and makes millions on it. When the REAL musicians who have been woodsheddin with our instrament(s) learning the theory, music comp. and all... are told you don't fit the image we are looking for. That is messed up
You need to re-read Chocobear's post, adeart. Those artists of the past who could never read music still had to create it. There were no samples. They created it themselves. This original creativity is what is being lost.
I don't think he's trying to define what is art and what isn't. I believe he is talking more about how hip hop develops America's youth in a negative aspect because of the negative messages sometimes channeled through the music.
if any of you like rela hiphop , you would look for it, and I mean StonesThrow Records, people lik MF DOOM and producers like MAdlib, this is the type of hiphop that should be promoted, but its not cause it'll make people more intelligent, its the fat CEOs at the top who dont give a shit about people , but it really tears me apart when others start denouncing a whole genre based on what theyve seen, this is what people wnat you to think
and people are easily conned into thinking that a genre isnt musically good enough, yet I bet half of you guys dont even look for your music, you expect someone to dish it out to you, in this day in age there is no excuse to look for real music, the internet has become the premier place these days for underground music, and if you dont like something jsut because its not on BET, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, you need to get off your ass and stop believing in big capatalistic companies
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You poeple who agree with Wynton are a rason why music is the way it is now. If Wynton took the time and actually talked to these folks back in the day, maybe hip-hop would not have ended the way it did. Since he never cared to do so, FUCK HIM and anybody that agrees with him. I notice how he never talks shit about rock, heavy metal, etcx. that does the same thing.
This gives a very bad conotation to Wynton. He's not a "hater" towards hip-hop, but he's against abusive lyrics and dimeaning themes found in very much of today's music. He's just saying he doesn't think the youner generation is experiencing the creativity of the older styles of music. Not saying that rap and hip-hop aren't creative, I'm just saying some parts of the genre can be very dimeaning..
naw, i think alot of you guys seriously need to take some time and look for real hiphop, not the type that is being promoted but the type that is made today that has been thrown to the underground scene, this type praises jazz and other forms of 'old' music, the music that is being promoted has no soul, but it sells great
@trumpetdudeman07 he is a hater of hip hop. he said that "hip hop snt the best of american music". He obviously doesnt like the lyrics in it but thats just some songs. We all know theres good hip hop and theres bad hip hop, theres good jazz and theres bad jazz. i can listen to bad jazz, but that doesnt give me the right to say jazz is bad. Wynton is one of those bad jazz "musicians". hes very unoriginal, even Miles Davis and Keith Jarrett said this about him. They even said he was arrogant.
@MCalixte89 to say Wynton isn't a great jazz musician is not only false but shows your ignorance of modern jazz music. Wynton has lived his life in the styles of jazz. His family brought him up in the sounds of jazz. Marsalis has experience in both classical styles as well as swing, blues, and bop. You, sir, are entitled to your opinion...but i ask that you should choose your words more carefully.,.
@MCalixte89 No, i love jazz. I love Chick Corea, Brad Mehldau, Bill Evans, Gonzalo Rubalcaba, Michel Camilo, Miles Davis, The Adderley Brothers, Dave Brubeck, Wes Montgomery. Please brother, i know my jazz.. I never said Wynton wasnt a talented musician but hes not a good JAZZ musician. His sound is generic. I hear nothing in his playing that sets him about the way, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, and Dizzy did. You know its true , no need to deny it
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For all the jazz-snobs, hip-hop haters, and closed-minded fuckers out there, listen to Roy Hargrove's RH Factor albums, Metropolitan Jazz Affair, Jazz Liberatorz, Medeski Martin & Wood, Soulive, Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest or any early 90's east coast hip-hop. And tell me you can't appreciate hip-hop AT LEAST in that form!
I agree with the sentiments in the video and comments, but is this video cut out of a larger section? He starts off talking about hip hop, then teen sexuality and prescription drug use. I don't get it.
There's definitely a missing chunk to this. Wynton, like he said, is NOT against hip-hop. How can he when he's worked with Guru from Gangstarr and other several positive hip-hop artists? He refers to the degenerative side of hip-hop, the mainstream. C'mon people, you should already know that the GOOD stuff is underground! Whether its hip-hop, jazz, rock, or soul, etc. Like how funk derived from jazz because its fun, thats hip-hop! How can you call The Roots, Talib Kweli, and Common degenerative?
you're getting sh!t twisted. Just because an artist is "underground" makes them better than anybody mainstream? Garbage. Marsalis is mainstream. If you're not good enough to get a BlueNote deal for example makes you better than Wynton? What a crock.
umm, ok...nobody ever said anything bout Wynton being underground or not. All I'm sayin is that there are a lot of underrated, extremely talented artists out there in any genre of music that are rarely/never been heard in the mainstream via the radio. With that said, not all underground artists are great, after all, they are underground. And I mentioned the artists who ARE in the mainstream hip-hop and who are a prime example of positive, non-degenerative hip-hop. I'm gettin nuttin twisted, son!
You're right though, i happen to be a big fan of talib kweli and what he stands for. The names you mentioned are well recognized now and at one point were underground and undiscovered.
Not to nitpick, but Wynton never worked with Guru. That was his brother Branford. Wynton has always been a jackass jerk when it came to any other type of music that wasn't traditional Jazz. This is the same guy who disrespected Miles Davis when he was alive. He even had the audacity to criticize Miles when he did Fusion back in the day. Frankly, Wynton needs to mind his own business and shut the hell up!!
well if u wanna get technical hip-hop is derived from jazz cuz jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments together hip-hop goes off of the same thing they jus write the lyrics out instead of playin it on an instrument cuz if ur playin an instrument u try to make it sound like a voice(ex...ella fitzgerald scat singing) certain hip-hop artist like Lupe Fiasco actually have a message behind the music unlike most hip-hop artist today
fool ur the fuckin stupid one if i have to break it down this much for u ok YEA it not the first musik to combine instruments and lyrics but of this style it is before jazz the slaves in america had wat is called a work song which they then added instruments too which later became jazz and ever since people have pretty much gone off of this structure to form their musik ask any jazz history teacher and they'll tell u the same bitch
This is what you said "jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments together " Why are you back tracking. And I am studying music in college. Maybe if you got yourself an education people would be able to understand what you are saying. Everything you said in the last post didnt make any sense. Stay in school kid
Jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments?! Jazz is derived from many many hendreds of years of folk and classical music. Opera, I feel, may have done the whole singing and musical diologue thing a little bit before jazz dont you think? Motific lyrical melodies were about way before Beethovens time. Besides, this doesn't stop hip hop being, mostly, quite musically uninteresting.
I agree whole heartedly. Hip-hop, at best, is a degenerative culture. Since many of our people don't know their own culture and many are not interested in knowing it, they made up their own.
I am not against their trying to excercise their creativity, but the best creations come out of a firm knowledge of science. Music is a form of mathematics which is the best and most realiable science that we have.
Wow, this was the most ignorant, dim-witted remark ever said about hip-hop. Try telling that to a poet. When bebop first came to be, it was a very taboo, rejected culture by the mainstream. And the degenerative form of jazz at the time? Rock n' roll. Likewise, hip-hop is degenerative in the mainstream, but REAL hip-hop is as constructive, tasteful, and universal as it can be. And just like jazz, hip-hop came out of the blood, sweat, & tears of the ghetto. Don't be tainted by gangsta-rap BS!
I don't think he can say that. One example: he thinks one of the reasons hip hop is not good is because of the it increases grug use but wasn't that the same when all the creative and brilliant jazz players were around breaking more and more boundries. It's been the same for centries, the old complaning about the young but in reality they were no diffrent and look at the people in society and culture from America over the years.
No. Although drug abuse among jazz musicians happens, it's a stereotype that's blown out of proportion. That's almost like saying, "If he's black, how can he be criticizing rap?"
Also, this isn't just the old complaining about the young, as he pointed out by saying he's been saying the same thing since high school.
Here is a point that Wynton doesnt come out and say but... Hip Hop artists ( and this is MOST of them) have ZERO talent!!! Wynton has more talent in his left ass cheek than all of Hip Hop combined. It has nothing to do with age, it has to do with the messege that is being brought out. Music is beauty and Hip Hop hit every freaking branch on the UGLY tree.
how old are you
amy123aminu 1 day ago
I am a young person who grew up with kids embedded in hip hop. Today's hip-hop is wrong and horrible, it sends kids wrong messages and it has the worse psychological stronghold of any music.
Hip Hop musicians defend their chavunists and savage lyrics and behavior of the guise of being "real".
Hip Hop/Rap has changed a lot the past 20 years and a lot of it due to corporate control and music industry creating clowns like 50 cent, Snoop Dogg former drug deals to be idols of today's youth.
delirous8 1 week ago
right on the money.
speedmetaldemon666 4 months ago
he likes big butts and he cannot lie
alee6406 7 months ago
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ThomasAthanasius 9 months ago
Wynton has created LESS innovation to Black and Art and Culture, than countless Hip Hop artists. Wynton has not "invented" any new form or "sound". He mastered many styles - from Duke Ellington to Wayne Shorter style early 60's hard bop. He's a brilliant technician, competent composer and arranger, and a scholar. But he is not an innovator. Guru/Premiere were innovators. He can promote his activities without disparaging other important contribution. He's not "old" because of age but his rhetoric
shanrico 10 months ago
@shanrico bullshit argument. you dont have to be an innovator in order to criticize something intelligently.
TheDucciano 2 months ago 3
The musical innovation and complexity of Gangstarr, Tribe Called Quest, Roots, Black Star -- the powerful evolution of spoken word that has grown out of and connected to Hip Hop is a major cultural contribution. If not for Hip Hop, 1000's of people who got turned on to Jazz would not have occured as their entry point was through samples and hybrid projects. Hip Hop is THE most important "new" genre to emerge in the last 25 years worldwide. And as great a scholar and musician as Wynton is....
shanrico 10 months ago
When American Jazz elevated to a more sophisticated "art music", it left the popular realm. Other things came along to replace it. Blues, Boogie Woogie, eventually rock, soul, disco -- and Hip Hop came along and took over the continuation. It became the music of the people. Telling the story, dance-able, accessible. Jazz like Classical has evolved to a non-popular art-form. After 30+ years of Hip Hop, its ignorant to sum it up in a few statements. There is no "one Hip Hop" ...
shanrico 10 months ago
He said, "I'm on a campaign for the best of American culture". The implication that Hip Hop is somehow NOT part of the best of American Culture, is simply - ignorant and overly simplistic. Popular music, reflects culture of the every-day person and life. It incorporates words(lyrics/story telling), and sounds (tunes/harmonies) and rhythms that are accessible. Early Jazz reflected the African American experience. With themes, lyrics, sound and dance-able. Hip Hop has picked up that thread...
shanrico 10 months ago
@shanrico i think wynton was referring to what hip hop/rap is shown in the mainstream. You cant tell me that the good hip hop and rap is any where near a majority of what people listen to. most music today that gets the attention and is the focal point is not based off good musical ideas. they cant sing there are no harmonies etc. some of them cant perform outside a studio, they sound awful live. a lot of it has no lasting value. i say that because after a year or 2 its on to the next thing
steven4570 8 months ago
@shanrico hip hop is a sub culture that is the worst thing to happen in 25 years.
usaf317 5 months ago
Wynton Marsalis has been "speaking out" on his very strong views since he emerged on the scene as a 19 year old virtuoso of Trumpet. I had problems with his comments then and I have problems with his comments today. Because he is such a "giant" of sanctioned institutions (Lincoln Center, major record labels) and because he is so talented and studied, his views get more exposure and credence than other people. He is out of his depth, if he's going to comment on something as large as "Hip Hop" ...
shanrico 10 months ago
There's rap, and there's hip hop. There is some amazing hip hop. There is also a TON of garbage, but that applies to every genre. Hip Hop is just the most popular and glamourized. This dude needs to listen to some real shit.
Ryz0n89 1 year ago
@Ryz0n89 It's hilarious cause his own brother led one of the dopest hip-hop acts around, Buckshot Lefonque, \goooodd hip-hop.
SILOETTE100page 11 months ago
Hip-hop's answer to you, Mr, Marsalis: Robert Glasper!
pastense 1 year ago
Brotha Marsalis U speak the truth, especially when u said "Most adults want to defend it because they don't want to seem NOT HIP & not part of it!"
EXACTLY! A lot of parents try to be their kids best friends rather than teach & lead. Yet They're in denial because they deny the debouchery in the "majority" of the music. Some ppl pull excuses out of their ass to JUSTIFY the negative messages & images. Mr. Marsalis you've got good intentions & you're an example of a strong Black man. Peace brotha
JazzyZenBrotha 1 year ago 15
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@JazzyZenBrotha@trumpetdudeman07 he is a hater of hip hop. he said that "hip hop snt the best of american music". He obviously doesnt like the lyrics in it but thats just some songs. We all know theres good hip hop and theres bad hip hop, theres good jazz and theres bad jazz. i can listen to bad jazz, but that doesnt give me the right to say jazz is bad. Wynton is one of those bad jazz "musicians". hes very unoriginal, even Miles Davis and Keith Jarrett said this about him. They said hes arrogan
MCalixte89 1 year ago
Everything Wynton says here is true. Everything.
gretschjazzer 1 year ago 5
He is such a great guy! I had the pleasure of seeing one of his concerts and being able to speak with him afterwards...he is extremely well spoken and intelligent!
SondheimFanatic1 1 year ago
Wynton Marsalis IS a role model for young musicians Worldwide. This interview is yet another shining example as to why so many young musicians (even within the contextual comments) feel so passionate about his teaching. It takes quite a lot to impress the youth of America are coming through both the public and private arts schools; places like Interlochen, PAI, Banff, Aspen, Tanglewood, etc. I don't see hip hop artists being brought into these arts places. Wonder what the reason could be?
osceola64 1 year ago
I agree in part with what Wynton is saying, but you can't generalise the whole genre, there are some incredibly talented and musical hip hop artists, in the UK there's a guy called Soweto Kinch who plays jazz sax AND raps.
Guys like Guru, De La Soul.. tell me they're not credible!
bigwm 1 year ago
not all hiphop is unintelligent or otherwise crap; just the bulk of it is...if Wynton just made this point clearly, it´d be a lot more easy to get his message through...
but still, i´m certainly on his side. crap is crap and there´s no need for being shy saying this despite those digging the shit are never willing to hear about the true substance of their admiration.
vulvatronic 2 years ago
I use to think Jazz was all about having a good time and celebrating new musical ideas but I guess I was mistaken. It seems now Jazz has be over run with intellectuals who think they are the supreme judges of what's good music and what's bad music. Not saying you have to like everything (though I've yet to come across a musical genre I didn't like) but this putting down of some music just because it doesn't meet your standards is just childish and in my opinion goes against what Jazz is about.
deathmetalwolf85 2 years ago
amen
akikuch 2 years ago
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akikuch 2 years ago
@deathmetalwolf85 I totally agree man. As a musician myself, I'm appalled to see how stuck-up some people are. Musical snobs...
royallighting7 1 year ago
i was reading some of these comments and noticed some people thinking hip hop is an art form. haha that couldn't be further from the truth. Jazz is art. how can you compare 50 cent or talib kwali for that matter to Duke Ellington? Granted alot of jazz musicians had drug problems but at least they took the time for theory and learning to play over changes not what word rhymes and what beat fits.
thepeopleschamp562 2 years ago
I'm a jazz musician myself, and I agree with what you say, but don't make a sweeping generalization about hip-hop. have you ever checked out A Tribe Called Quest, De la Soul or The Roots? These groups are indeed artists, who don't get the credit they deserve for validating hip-hop music.
Almost all current "hip-POP" like the rappers you mentioned is over produced and laughably un-artistic. However, check out some serious cats in that genre. It's definitely worth your time.
wetdog158 2 years ago
Hip hop is motherfucking bullshit ok?
Those singers cant do shit and they are bad role models to stupid teenagers
thats why thats fucking drugs everywhere and STDs
TheHibaris 2 years ago 10
I have been sayin' this since for a long time. Rock on Mr. Marsalis!
Skrothn 2 years ago
You all have your opinions...he has his. He is an educated musician, I believe his opinion carries a fair bit of weight but that's all it is in the end: an opinion, not a life-or-death matter.
killface962 2 years ago
This is fucking ignorant. People said the same thing about jazz in its beginnings. He's no different then them. And Wynton should know that jazz's beginnings were in whore houses. It used sexuality, too. And obviously you guys havn't listened to a lot of Hip Hop. There's a lot of good stuff with MC's who are actually poets. Sole, Sage Francis, P.O.S., Heiroglyphics. How about checking those guys out before saying something like that.
eyenhailee 2 years ago
So you are oing to show your ignorance by saying the youth of america is going in the right direction? Wow. Hip hop is complete bullshit. Kids are going in the wrong direction and retards like you lie to them saying everything is going good. You and everyone like you are completely ruining this world.
Skrothn 2 years ago
Haha obviously you haven't listened to much hip-hop at all. These guys on MTV: not hip hop. People said the same thing about jazz that they do about hip-hop. It's no different. And if you knew anything about jazz and the guys that Wynton idolizes you would know that those guys weren't much better. Read up on a little jazz history. And how am I "ruining the world"? Please fucking tell me because I'd love to know.
eyenhailee 2 years ago
You are looking at the past to validate the present? That is a bad move. Just because hip-hop is going down a similar road to jazz does not mean that they will end up in the same place. Your argument is so full of fallacies it would take to many characters to point them all out. If Wynton Idolizes bad people, so what? People can idolize whomsoever they wish. Liking a bad person does not make you bad. "ruining the world" was just a statement I used to tie my argument together. Sorry it was blunt
Skrothn 2 years ago
So if people can idolize whoever they want then why are kids going in the wrong direction cuz of hip-hop? Cuz you still haven't said that. You haven't told me how I'm "ruining the world"? It still has a meaning. All you did was tell me I'm ignorant you haven't said how kids are "going in the wrong direction".
eyenhailee 2 years ago
A person's idol does not make them but what they do. If a person has a negative idol yet does good things, it's all good. Marsalis might have negative idols, but he seems to have chosen the positive path. Children on the other hand are easily manipulated which makes negative idols all the more influential, thus causing the problem. It doesn't matter what the genre will become but what it is presently, and all hip hop is is a bunch of garbage. Ran out of room so I must make another comment.
Skrothn 2 years ago
People like you are rining the world by taking advantage of children and leading them to self destruction. All I know is that all the hip-hop I have listened to has horrible lyrics and all that jazz. It corrupts the childrens' fragile little minds and distorts their perception. If you can't see by just looking around you that kids are going in the wrong direction, then i feel bad for you. It is painfully obvious and now is not the time to be oblivious to the problems at hand: bad role-models.
Skrothn 2 years ago
Oh fuck that. That is the biggest load of bull shit. Kids are doing the same thing now that they've always done. Please tell me how kids are going in the wrong direction? Some examples? What hip hop stars are you talking about that are bad role models? Please let me know. Because to be honest it sounds like you're talking out your ass. Let people idolize who they want. These hip hop stars work hard for what they have. And they sing about what they know. That's what people have always done.
eyenhailee 2 years ago
If you are so blinded that you can not see the decline of society and the causes, I feel sorry for you. What I have sen from hip hop is mostly negative. No need to get your panties in a bunch because someone has a different opinion than you. I don't care if people idolize others if they want. In fact, I have already said that they should be able to. It's when the corruption of the role models begins to poison society that I have a problem. Just because it is in the past does not mean it is good.
Skrothn 2 years ago
Please show me how society is declining? Because I'm not seeing it and I'm not sure where you're seeing it. I think that it's the exact opposite. The crime rate has been on a decline since the 70s and that's funny cuz that's when hip hop was invented so if you can show me how people like me are ruining the world then I'll believe you. And you can believe whatever you want. You're the one that started this, friend.
eyenhailee 2 years ago
As time is progressing, the freedoms our country was based on are deminishing. Our value system is fucked up. Children are taught to hate at a young age, and they carry it with them. Negative behavior is applauded and positive behavior is looked down upon. You are connecting crime and hip-hop which is an unjust statement. Just because hip-hop came out at the same time as the decreasing crimerate, does not mean hip-hop caused the decline of crime.
Skrothn 2 years ago
I don't care what you believe. All I wanted to pint out your false connections. Also, I was in a bad mood when I wrote my first comment so I apologize for my rude behavior. Sorry for insulting you.
Skrothn 2 years ago
Haha I could keep this going but I have no hard feelings towards you. I totally disagree with everything you've said but I'm gonna end this. There's no reasons to keep it up.
eyenhailee 2 years ago
Indeed. At least we agree to disagree. I have no hard feelings towards you either. I argue with people for fun. Have a nice day. :)
Skrothn 2 years ago
@eyenhailee Hip Hop is not music, and that isnt an insult. It's poetry with a beat behind it. it would be an insult to other genres to lable it as music, especially now adays, when all you need to make a million seller is 1 hour with a synthesizer and a lyricist. The focus of hip hop has shifted more towards drug use, crime, and degrading women. And this is what kids are looking up to now. rappers dont put any work into what they do. they dont have to. Because at its core its only poetry.
waffleboy83 2 years ago 7
@waffleboy83 Immortal Technique dammit!
awesomewelles90 1 year ago
@waffleboy83 While it is true that a lot of hip-hop is about drug use and such, I totally disagree with you saying hip-hop isn't music. I agree that it can be looked at as poetry with a beat behind it, but if you put it that way, all lyrical music is poetry with a beat/melody/music set with it. That's like saying someone of a different nationality isn't a person. I have to challenge you and ask you to define "music" if you can say hip-hop isn't music.
royallighting7 1 year ago
your statements are not informed. you don't listen to hip hop. you just listen to the hip hop thats pushed in front of you. try listening to the ROOTS...MOS DEF....COMMON....TALIB Kwali....
tgr128 2 years ago
My statements are informed because I have heard hip hop and sadly I am not impressed. It is shitty music with bad lyrics. Who are you to tell me what I do and do not listen to anyway? So by your way of thinking, to understand a genre I have to look deep into its backrounds. This is utter bullshit. I can understand a genre by listening to a few singers of said genre. I don't have to listen to all of the singers in a genre to understand it. Hip hop sucks and you know it.
Skrothn 2 years ago
the roots.....nuff said
tgr128 2 years ago
yea.... Mos Def? bad example. It'll be the same opinion upon it.
ProKzaine 2 years ago
Oh God how I love Wynton M! I agree with him entirely.
ogriirgo 2 years ago
It doesn't matter how old you are & which music are you listenin'. Everybody taste different music... Wynton is right Hip Hop is not about thugs, gangstas-wankstas, drugs or any of those nonsence. It's all about expressing your self. It's an art to live on step with Hip Hop. Feel it.
Skrepis 2 years ago
I don't think wynton hates hip hop.
jazzmangiant 2 years ago
im 15, and i hate most modern music. i like jazz and classical. What he speaks here is the truth.
XXXXXXX35 2 years ago 4
The implication that neither jazz nor classical is modern is distasteful here.
GassyMaskz 2 years ago
if you really think jazz and classical is considered THE "modern" music, then i question your age
ProKzaine 2 years ago
Charles Ives...I'm 16. I think anything outside of the Romantic Era in Classical music and Afro-American music past the very basic folk roots is modern. don't consider it THE modern music, but a version of modern music.
GassyMaskz 2 years ago
i just turned sixteen, i hate most modern music. i like jazz, classical, and some modern groups like dream theater, and tool. way to go man, its not easy to be in that position nowadays. you have a great taste in music!
charvinaldo 2 years ago
exactly like you, I LOVE tool. musical masterpieces in my opinion. I also love Haydn and Paganinni, they as well are masterpieces. I'm 15 :P
ProKzaine 2 years ago
oh yeah. paganini is one of my favorites. along with bach, who is basically my hero lol. some other classical favorites include pictures at an exhibition, tchaikovskys, as well as myaskovsky's violin conciertos in d. mahler's second kicks but, such a cool piece. rhapsody in blue, ect.
charvinaldo 2 years ago
He is right on...love him.
jaybou263 2 years ago 2
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mrpossibilities 2 years ago
TRUTH
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Huntersmoon1 3 years ago
well just to start off "Dnotes" is Fucking retarded and needs to shove his head up his ass so he doesn't start talking about shit he knows nothing about. I'm 18 and listen to hip hop now and then but when I discovered jazz it was like nothing I've ever heard before. It's the variety, the history, the sound that compares to no other type of music. Black people as a culture we continue to go down this path of creating great art forms like jazz and then abandoning it. I really don't understand this
gtman67 3 years ago
What ticks me off is when a young cat who cannot sing, don't know what a C scale is put together some stupid rap that makes absolutly no sense sample it on top of a 70's groove(real music) and makes millions on it. When the REAL musicians who have been woodsheddin with our instrament(s) learning the theory, music comp. and all... are told you don't fit the image we are looking for. That is messed up
Chocobear97 3 years ago 2
What about those artists of the past who could never read music, but were still able to create great art? Isn't hip hop like that?
adeart7 3 years ago
You need to re-read Chocobear's post, adeart. Those artists of the past who could never read music still had to create it. There were no samples. They created it themselves. This original creativity is what is being lost.
Bradentucky 3 years ago
Damn right!
KevinCerovich 2 years ago
I don't think he's trying to define what is art and what isn't. I believe he is talking more about how hip hop develops America's youth in a negative aspect because of the negative messages sometimes channeled through the music.
RainMan137 2 years ago
if any of you like rela hiphop , you would look for it, and I mean StonesThrow Records, people lik MF DOOM and producers like MAdlib, this is the type of hiphop that should be promoted, but its not cause it'll make people more intelligent, its the fat CEOs at the top who dont give a shit about people , but it really tears me apart when others start denouncing a whole genre based on what theyve seen, this is what people wnat you to think
MUN7001 3 years ago
and people are easily conned into thinking that a genre isnt musically good enough, yet I bet half of you guys dont even look for your music, you expect someone to dish it out to you, in this day in age there is no excuse to look for real music, the internet has become the premier place these days for underground music, and if you dont like something jsut because its not on BET, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, you need to get off your ass and stop believing in big capatalistic companies
MUN7001 3 years ago
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You poeple who agree with Wynton are a rason why music is the way it is now. If Wynton took the time and actually talked to these folks back in the day, maybe hip-hop would not have ended the way it did. Since he never cared to do so, FUCK HIM and anybody that agrees with him. I notice how he never talks shit about rock, heavy metal, etcx. that does the same thing.
DNotes06 3 years ago
the rap "singers" can be a millionaire very fast because they don't have any idea about music...this is US today
ebmd21 3 years ago
This gives a very bad conotation to Wynton. He's not a "hater" towards hip-hop, but he's against abusive lyrics and dimeaning themes found in very much of today's music. He's just saying he doesn't think the youner generation is experiencing the creativity of the older styles of music. Not saying that rap and hip-hop aren't creative, I'm just saying some parts of the genre can be very dimeaning..
trumpetdudeman07 3 years ago 22
naw, i think alot of you guys seriously need to take some time and look for real hiphop, not the type that is being promoted but the type that is made today that has been thrown to the underground scene, this type praises jazz and other forms of 'old' music, the music that is being promoted has no soul, but it sells great
MUN7001 3 years ago
@trumpetdudeman07 he is a hater of hip hop. he said that "hip hop snt the best of american music". He obviously doesnt like the lyrics in it but thats just some songs. We all know theres good hip hop and theres bad hip hop, theres good jazz and theres bad jazz. i can listen to bad jazz, but that doesnt give me the right to say jazz is bad. Wynton is one of those bad jazz "musicians". hes very unoriginal, even Miles Davis and Keith Jarrett said this about him. They even said he was arrogant.
MCalixte89 1 year ago
@MCalixte89 to say Wynton isn't a great jazz musician is not only false but shows your ignorance of modern jazz music. Wynton has lived his life in the styles of jazz. His family brought him up in the sounds of jazz. Marsalis has experience in both classical styles as well as swing, blues, and bop. You, sir, are entitled to your opinion...but i ask that you should choose your words more carefully.,.
trumpetdudeman07 1 year ago
@MCalixte89 How the hell can Keith Jarrett's opinion hold any credibility? His ego is damn near twice as big as Wynton's.
GAshoneybear 1 year ago
@GAshoneybear toche
MCalixte89 1 year ago
@MCalixte89 No, i love jazz. I love Chick Corea, Brad Mehldau, Bill Evans, Gonzalo Rubalcaba, Michel Camilo, Miles Davis, The Adderley Brothers, Dave Brubeck, Wes Montgomery. Please brother, i know my jazz.. I never said Wynton wasnt a talented musician but hes not a good JAZZ musician. His sound is generic. I hear nothing in his playing that sets him about the way, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, and Dizzy did. You know its true , no need to deny it
MCalixte89 1 year ago
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For all the jazz-snobs, hip-hop haters, and closed-minded fuckers out there, listen to Roy Hargrove's RH Factor albums, Metropolitan Jazz Affair, Jazz Liberatorz, Medeski Martin & Wood, Soulive, Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest or any early 90's east coast hip-hop. And tell me you can't appreciate hip-hop AT LEAST in that form!
pastense 3 years ago
I agree with the sentiments in the video and comments, but is this video cut out of a larger section? He starts off talking about hip hop, then teen sexuality and prescription drug use. I don't get it.
thefaker10 3 years ago
There's definitely a missing chunk to this. Wynton, like he said, is NOT against hip-hop. How can he when he's worked with Guru from Gangstarr and other several positive hip-hop artists? He refers to the degenerative side of hip-hop, the mainstream. C'mon people, you should already know that the GOOD stuff is underground! Whether its hip-hop, jazz, rock, or soul, etc. Like how funk derived from jazz because its fun, thats hip-hop! How can you call The Roots, Talib Kweli, and Common degenerative?
pastense 3 years ago
you're getting sh!t twisted. Just because an artist is "underground" makes them better than anybody mainstream? Garbage. Marsalis is mainstream. If you're not good enough to get a BlueNote deal for example makes you better than Wynton? What a crock.
thepeopleschamp562 3 years ago
umm, ok...nobody ever said anything bout Wynton being underground or not. All I'm sayin is that there are a lot of underrated, extremely talented artists out there in any genre of music that are rarely/never been heard in the mainstream via the radio. With that said, not all underground artists are great, after all, they are underground. And I mentioned the artists who ARE in the mainstream hip-hop and who are a prime example of positive, non-degenerative hip-hop. I'm gettin nuttin twisted, son!
pastense 3 years ago
I may have jumped the gun a bit..
You're right though, i happen to be a big fan of talib kweli and what he stands for. The names you mentioned are well recognized now and at one point were underground and undiscovered.
thepeopleschamp562 3 years ago
Not to nitpick, but Wynton never worked with Guru. That was his brother Branford. Wynton has always been a jackass jerk when it came to any other type of music that wasn't traditional Jazz. This is the same guy who disrespected Miles Davis when he was alive. He even had the audacity to criticize Miles when he did Fusion back in the day. Frankly, Wynton needs to mind his own business and shut the hell up!!
DNotes06 3 years ago
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Wynton has no fucking clue
Wilsox 3 years ago
well if u wanna get technical hip-hop is derived from jazz cuz jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments together hip-hop goes off of the same thing they jus write the lyrics out instead of playin it on an instrument cuz if ur playin an instrument u try to make it sound like a voice(ex...ella fitzgerald scat singing) certain hip-hop artist like Lupe Fiasco actually have a message behind the music unlike most hip-hop artist today
the1andonly8 3 years ago
Jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments? you are an idiot. thats not true, what about Handel's messiah??
boljangles 3 years ago 2
fool ur the fuckin stupid one if i have to break it down this much for u ok YEA it not the first musik to combine instruments and lyrics but of this style it is before jazz the slaves in america had wat is called a work song which they then added instruments too which later became jazz and ever since people have pretty much gone off of this structure to form their musik ask any jazz history teacher and they'll tell u the same bitch
the1andonly8 3 years ago
This is what you said "jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments together " Why are you back tracking. And I am studying music in college. Maybe if you got yourself an education people would be able to understand what you are saying. Everything you said in the last post didnt make any sense. Stay in school kid
boljangles 3 years ago
Jazz was the first music to combine lyrics and instruments?! Jazz is derived from many many hendreds of years of folk and classical music. Opera, I feel, may have done the whole singing and musical diologue thing a little bit before jazz dont you think? Motific lyrical melodies were about way before Beethovens time. Besides, this doesn't stop hip hop being, mostly, quite musically uninteresting.
jfowers1 3 years ago 2
I agree whole heartedly. Hip-hop, at best, is a degenerative culture. Since many of our people don't know their own culture and many are not interested in knowing it, they made up their own.
I am not against their trying to excercise their creativity, but the best creations come out of a firm knowledge of science. Music is a form of mathematics which is the best and most realiable science that we have.
angoleirodvgr 3 years ago
Wow, this was the most ignorant, dim-witted remark ever said about hip-hop. Try telling that to a poet. When bebop first came to be, it was a very taboo, rejected culture by the mainstream. And the degenerative form of jazz at the time? Rock n' roll. Likewise, hip-hop is degenerative in the mainstream, but REAL hip-hop is as constructive, tasteful, and universal as it can be. And just like jazz, hip-hop came out of the blood, sweat, & tears of the ghetto. Don't be tainted by gangsta-rap BS!
pastense 3 years ago
This is why I love Wynton as a Musician and a person. I'm only 19 but I'm happy I know the truth about Hip-Hop
WartsHogNYC 4 years ago
The most intelligent words to ever come out of his mouth.
Polishjazzman 4 years ago
Amen Wynton!!
UpperRegister 4 years ago
Is this not a problem all round the world not just in America
jack099999 4 years ago
I don't think he can say that. One example: he thinks one of the reasons hip hop is not good is because of the it increases grug use but wasn't that the same when all the creative and brilliant jazz players were around breaking more and more boundries. It's been the same for centries, the old complaning about the young but in reality they were no diffrent and look at the people in society and culture from America over the years.
jack099999 4 years ago
No. Although drug abuse among jazz musicians happens, it's a stereotype that's blown out of proportion. That's almost like saying, "If he's black, how can he be criticizing rap?"
Also, this isn't just the old complaining about the young, as he pointed out by saying he's been saying the same thing since high school.
dec10 4 years ago 4
Here is a point that Wynton doesnt come out and say but... Hip Hop artists ( and this is MOST of them) have ZERO talent!!! Wynton has more talent in his left ass cheek than all of Hip Hop combined. It has nothing to do with age, it has to do with the messege that is being brought out. Music is beauty and Hip Hop hit every freaking branch on the UGLY tree.
beak1972 4 years ago
Marsalis does make a good point..
ArtisX 4 years ago
I may not like Wynton but he definitly has a point
Wilsox 4 years ago
Wynton is the MAN
jordanHU 4 years ago
hes talking about mainstream rap not hip hop
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mg192 4 years ago
yeah Wynton, that's the way to say it!
I'm 18 and I am completely for Wynton's stance...hip hop just deteriorates youths
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