well first off you can't in a ginuwine fashion talk to dead folk that you involve you using witchcraft or dabbling in the occult and that stuff is PURE EVIL AND WHEN YOU DO IT U JUST SUMMONING A DEMONIC SPRIT AND you had it right when u said that when you die you r a sleep till judgement day there is alot of false hood going around in the modern church such as the rapture and its important 2 expose these false hoods
Our body returns to dust (Genesis 3:19), while our spirit (breath of life Genesis 2:7) either goes to be with Jehovah (Luke 23:43) or to a conscious holding area for judgement (Luke 16:23).
An unconscious body is in the casket, and cannot hear. We can't see old saints, so I imagine they can't see us either.
The only dead we can communicate with are demons, or perhaps saints that God allows to appear (Mark 9:4).
Hades is open for business. It's like jail where people are held before they are sentenced to prison (the lake of fire Revelation 20:15). And just like jail, Hades is unpleasant.
I truly don't know the answer to that...but I don't worry about it too much. I just try to live for God now. I've heard all of the things u mentioned b4, tho.
Great question. I don't know the word of God well enough to say either or but I THINK we'd have to wait until Judgement Day even though I am also guilty of saying a loved one who passed has went to heaven...it's almost as common as asking "How are you?" is among people even though more than half the time that is just a quick on the go way to communicate verses a conversation of real care and concern
We do not go to heaven when we die!!! When we die we turn back to dust!! Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return (Gen. 3:19)., No hell nor heaven is not open at this time, If the body of a man is man, then it follows that when the body dies, man dies, and that, consequently, it is impossible for a man at death to go to heaven or to hell.,
@PurK1Fry When the seventh angel sounds, Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets (Rev. 11:15-18).
The dead know not anything Their love, their hatred, and their envy is now perished (Eccl. 9:5)
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence (Psa. 115:17)
Thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:14).
@PurK1Fry The Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then shall he reward every man according to his works (Matt. 16:27).
The Lord Jesus Christ shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom (2 Tim. 4:1). Jesus says the hour is coming when those that are in the graves shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:29; Dan. 12:2).
@PurK1Fry Jesus is yes still in the miracle making business but we still do not go to heaven when we die, we have to read the entire word on death I'v sent some scripture and there are pleany more and yes it might be nice to believe that but we HE comes again is when will will be judged and then we will go to heaven or hell I hope this helps
@PurK1Fry That is the perfect scripture, our reward is immediate upon death we join Jesus and wait for the Saints. then we watch the judgement of sinners, we are not judged (our works are judged in a different judgement). Paul said "know you not, you shall judge angels?" so that leads me to think we shall participate in the judgement...but thats another topic.
@PurK1Fry Yes, they did go to heaven. Elijah was able to go to heaven without seeing death. Moses was taken up after his death on the mountain. However, these were to represent the 2 types of people that will go to heaven - those who will not see death, like Elijah (they will be alive at the 2nd resurrection), and those who have passed, but will be raised again, like Moses.
@TheMakeupvirgin Where exactly in the Bible does it say that (as you said) our reward is immediate upon death and we join Jesus and wait for the saints?? And where does it say that there is a different judgment? I would like scripture references, please. Thank you
@boonkie08 The word says study to show thyself approved...so you can look it up in your concordance and then follow all the references in your personal indepth study time. Remember the Bereans? They were more honorable because they serched out whatever they were taught by Paul.
@boonkie08 Today shat thou be with me in paradise...is a good place to study about the absence of time in eternity. There is no time lapse between death and eternity. At the moment of death one steps into eternity in heaven or in hell.
@boonkie08 Those scriptures in Ecc and Psalms were written before the birth and ressurection of Jesus, so their writters were limited in their understanding. The word recompence is referring to rewards for service well done while on the earth. Jesus has promised not to forget our work and labor of love which has eternal rewards...Search it (all) out it will probably take you a lifetime to do this type of indepth bible study. I would start by doing a Hebrew word study on the words silence & dead.
@ranaair You said exactly what my prayer partner & I just said. We love the thought provoking critical thinking questions. I have no problems giving my Own thoughts, however I would like to know her thoughts also.
Any arguments on that should be taken up w/Him, not with me. Christ also descended into Hell during His "death" be4 Ressurection. I don't want 2 argue about that, either' cause the facts r what they are, regardless of what we believe/ or don't.
Some ppl we loved dearly, unfortunately, may not have pleased God during their lifetimes here.
@dbrunsonsr I was not trying to argue. I genuinely wanted to know where you found it. That's all. Forgive me if it seemed I was. And I still would like to know if you have a verse or passage in particular. But please understand that I am not trying to start anything here...just an inquiry
@boonkie08 Hey Sister...4 give me instead. I usually take time 2 look at a person's profile but didn't c yours till this morning. Tell me what it is that u wanted me to find 4 u. As u know, a lot of studying is required in a lot of cases, as well as putting some truths together.
@boonkie08 When Christ died, a lot changed. During his days of "death", He was not asleep....in short, He preached His new msg, (among doing other things), in hades. What He said, I don't know. What happened down there, I don't know. My concern is what He wants me to do while I'm here.
Sometimes we, as humans will, spurred on by great emotion, say what we want 2 hear, what we want 2 believe. At times like that, we don't want 2 hear the truth.
It's amazing that when 1 dies, all of a sudden, they were the kindest, sweetest, most giving person on the face of the earth. There r spirits who can imitate those that we love, these r not good spirits to deal with.
According to Christ, Hell was open for business when the rich man and Lazarus died, (1,000's of years ago).
some of budda monks can explain this to you. hope you find your answer there. good luck.
tamgiang 1 year ago
well first off you can't in a ginuwine fashion talk to dead folk that you involve you using witchcraft or dabbling in the occult and that stuff is PURE EVIL AND WHEN YOU DO IT U JUST SUMMONING A DEMONIC SPRIT AND you had it right when u said that when you die you r a sleep till judgement day there is alot of false hood going around in the modern church such as the rapture and its important 2 expose these false hoods
uy97 1 year ago
There is a women who wrote divine revelation of hell and of heaven and she explain some of this stuff
CodieCodyCodi 1 year ago
Our body returns to dust (Genesis 3:19), while our spirit (breath of life Genesis 2:7) either goes to be with Jehovah (Luke 23:43) or to a conscious holding area for judgement (Luke 16:23).
An unconscious body is in the casket, and cannot hear. We can't see old saints, so I imagine they can't see us either.
preachinshawn 1 year ago
The only dead we can communicate with are demons, or perhaps saints that God allows to appear (Mark 9:4).
Hades is open for business. It's like jail where people are held before they are sentenced to prison (the lake of fire Revelation 20:15). And just like jail, Hades is unpleasant.
preachinshawn 1 year ago
dont think of it and dont want to dont want to have nightmares lol.
weslychry1453 1 year ago
I truly don't know the answer to that...but I don't worry about it too much. I just try to live for God now. I've heard all of the things u mentioned b4, tho.
GenuinelyGiGi 1 year ago
Great question. I don't know the word of God well enough to say either or but I THINK we'd have to wait until Judgement Day even though I am also guilty of saying a loved one who passed has went to heaven...it's almost as common as asking "How are you?" is among people even though more than half the time that is just a quick on the go way to communicate verses a conversation of real care and concern
RiRiSweetie 1 year ago
We do not go to heaven when we die!!! When we die we turn back to dust!! Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return (Gen. 3:19)., No hell nor heaven is not open at this time, If the body of a man is man, then it follows that when the body dies, man dies, and that, consequently, it is impossible for a man at death to go to heaven or to hell.,
steppinoutofthebox 1 year ago
@steppinoutofthebox But what about the soul? What about the story of the Rich man and Lazarus. Luke 16:19-31
PurK1Fry 1 year ago
@PurK1Fry When the seventh angel sounds, Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets (Rev. 11:15-18).
The dead know not anything Their love, their hatred, and their envy is now perished (Eccl. 9:5)
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence (Psa. 115:17)
Thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:14).
steppinoutofthebox 1 year ago
@PurK1Fry The Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then shall he reward every man according to his works (Matt. 16:27).
The Lord Jesus Christ shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom (2 Tim. 4:1). Jesus says the hour is coming when those that are in the graves shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:29; Dan. 12:2).
steppinoutofthebox 1 year ago
@PurK1Fry Jesus is yes still in the miracle making business but we still do not go to heaven when we die, we have to read the entire word on death I'v sent some scripture and there are pleany more and yes it might be nice to believe that but we HE comes again is when will will be judged and then we will go to heaven or hell I hope this helps
steppinoutofthebox 1 year ago
@PurK1Fry That is the perfect scripture, our reward is immediate upon death we join Jesus and wait for the Saints. then we watch the judgement of sinners, we are not judged (our works are judged in a different judgement). Paul said "know you not, you shall judge angels?" so that leads me to think we shall participate in the judgement...but thats another topic.
TheMakeupvirgin 1 year ago
@TheMakeupvirgin Yeah that's what I thought what about Moses and Elijah meeting with Jesus on the earth during the transfiguration of Jesus.
This guy confused me.
PurK1Fry 1 year ago
@PurK1Fry Yes, they did go to heaven. Elijah was able to go to heaven without seeing death. Moses was taken up after his death on the mountain. However, these were to represent the 2 types of people that will go to heaven - those who will not see death, like Elijah (they will be alive at the 2nd resurrection), and those who have passed, but will be raised again, like Moses.
boonkie08 1 year ago
@TheMakeupvirgin Where exactly in the Bible does it say that (as you said) our reward is immediate upon death and we join Jesus and wait for the saints?? And where does it say that there is a different judgment? I would like scripture references, please. Thank you
boonkie08 1 year ago
@boonkie08 The word says study to show thyself approved...so you can look it up in your concordance and then follow all the references in your personal indepth study time. Remember the Bereans? They were more honorable because they serched out whatever they were taught by Paul.
TheMakeupvirgin 1 year ago
@boonkie08 Today shat thou be with me in paradise...is a good place to study about the absence of time in eternity. There is no time lapse between death and eternity. At the moment of death one steps into eternity in heaven or in hell.
TheMakeupvirgin 1 year ago
@TheMakeupvirgin I wanted to quote what @steppinoutofthebox said...
The dead know not anything Their love, their hatred, and their envy is now perished (Eccl. 9:5)
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence (Psa. 115:17)
Thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just (Luke 14:14).
boonkie08 1 year ago
@boonkie08 Those scriptures in Ecc and Psalms were written before the birth and ressurection of Jesus, so their writters were limited in their understanding. The word recompence is referring to rewards for service well done while on the earth. Jesus has promised not to forget our work and labor of love which has eternal rewards...Search it (all) out it will probably take you a lifetime to do this type of indepth bible study. I would start by doing a Hebrew word study on the words silence & dead.
TheMakeupvirgin 1 year ago
Neechy
Thank you for always bringing up these special topics. However i would also like to know how you believe !!
ranaair 1 year ago 2
@ranaair You said exactly what my prayer partner & I just said. We love the thought provoking critical thinking questions. I have no problems giving my Own thoughts, however I would like to know her thoughts also.
ItsMeFawn 1 year ago
@ItsMeFawn Thats right, wanting to know what she thinks about it provokes me even more, because she barely does.
ranaair 1 year ago
Part 2,
Any arguments on that should be taken up w/Him, not with me. Christ also descended into Hell during His "death" be4 Ressurection. I don't want 2 argue about that, either' cause the facts r what they are, regardless of what we believe/ or don't.
Some ppl we loved dearly, unfortunately, may not have pleased God during their lifetimes here.
dbrunsonsr 1 year ago
@dbrunsonsr Can you tell me where you read this?
boonkie08 1 year ago
@boonkie08 The Bible. Pls do not argue w/me about this...I didn't write it, I live by it and this case is closed.
dbrunsonsr 1 year ago
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boonkie08 1 year ago
@dbrunsonsr I was not trying to argue. I genuinely wanted to know where you found it. That's all. Forgive me if it seemed I was. And I still would like to know if you have a verse or passage in particular. But please understand that I am not trying to start anything here...just an inquiry
boonkie08 1 year ago
@boonkie08 Hey Sister...4 give me instead. I usually take time 2 look at a person's profile but didn't c yours till this morning. Tell me what it is that u wanted me to find 4 u. As u know, a lot of studying is required in a lot of cases, as well as putting some truths together.
dbrunsonsr 1 year ago
@dbrunsonsr No problem. I am curious about your statment, "Christ also descended into Hell during His "death" be4 Ressurection"
boonkie08 1 year ago
@boonkie08 When Christ died, a lot changed. During his days of "death", He was not asleep....in short, He preached His new msg, (among doing other things), in hades. What He said, I don't know. What happened down there, I don't know. My concern is what He wants me to do while I'm here.
dbrunsonsr 1 year ago
@dbrunsonsr Where did you read this?
boonkie08 1 year ago
Sometimes we, as humans will, spurred on by great emotion, say what we want 2 hear, what we want 2 believe. At times like that, we don't want 2 hear the truth.
It's amazing that when 1 dies, all of a sudden, they were the kindest, sweetest, most giving person on the face of the earth. There r spirits who can imitate those that we love, these r not good spirits to deal with.
According to Christ, Hell was open for business when the rich man and Lazarus died, (1,000's of years ago).
dbrunsonsr 1 year ago 2