im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
@infox1000 Not good enough. Give me dates? or silent your mouth and at what dates was north Africa supposedly not mainly black, because if i can remember north africa was always predominately black until arab and various invasions, so where you getting your info from, further more give me DATES
@DelBoyMcFlyy You must have missed your geography lessons. sub-Saharan Africa is predominately black, it's separated from North Africa by a GIGANTIC FUCKING DESERT called the Sahara. That is why they are considered completely separate areas. Afrocentrism is ridiculous because it assumes all of Africa is the same thing, just because it's located on the same continental plateau. Is all of Asia the same too?
@Karanor2 NO, i'll find your missing some deep studying lessons, because all of african was people of darker colour than blue meaning dark skinned, before people invaded the land way back and mixed with the natives. It's called that's what they'd like everyone to believe, and it's nothing to Afrocentrism, it's to do with when one knows there history. You won't fool this African man here, i take it you learned in europe right? !
@DelBoyMcFlyy It has everything to do with Afrocentrism. You have afrocentrists fucking claiming that romans and greeks were black too, even the fucking SAXONS. This is an offense to all basic logic. North Africa has always been genetically separated from sub-Saharan Africa. Genetic and archeological studies prove this, as well as common sense. The Sahara desert might as well be an ocean.
@Karanor2 Don't involve other peoples arguments. Let's see if you have BASIC LOGIC, 1st dynasty Kemet, meaning land of the black (Egypt) , was there any form of whites caucassdians europeans over there at that time? and what archeological studies and genetics prove this this, so are you telling me that once upon a time there was no darker skin people darker than blue in the north of Africa?So i'd love to see if you have common senmse answering that question.
@DelBoyMcFlyy Kemet is the Nubian word for Egypt, that does not magically make all of Egypt black. Nubians lived in Egypt in sparse amounts, this has archeological proof. Even the Egyptian's art shows them not as black, but more of a reddish-golden skin color. But hey, clearly you know more than the Egyptians who actually lived in that time period. Mind showing me your time machine?
@Karanor2 how dumb are you? exactly, the nubians had that word when there was no contact with europeans back then, so obviously it was land occupied by black Africans! So what source are you now going to refer to now? oh i forgot isn't that in north Africa, for you to not even know about the sahara in the sense of how it became a desert, then i suggest you need to stop commenting on things you thoroughly don't understand because you are embarrassing yourself sorry to say
@DelBoyMcFlyy Are you even reading what I'm saying? There is an English word for Russia, does that suddenly make all the English Russians? Nubians used Kemet as a word in their own language for Egypt, that does not mean they are Egyptians. Egyptians had an entirely different language. This is why I hate arguing with afrocentrists, you don't use facts, and when others do, you claim they're all white devil lies while giving only lies yourself. It's tiring.
@Karanor2 did i call you a white devil, did i mention anything about afrocentrism. i somehow believe you to be worming your way out of you not answering my key questions. Let me ask you a basic question, was egypt ever once occupied by people of dark skin? and for your appetite, the egyptian name back then was kemit meaning land of the black skinned so go learn some real history
@sashelle07 Yes you did. Afrocentrism is about claiming people that weren't black are magically black, just because you say so. And yes, Egypt did have a short Nubian dynasty in it's very long history. How does that make Egyptians all black? You're confusing Nubia and Egypt, they're two separate things. The Nile Delta(Upper Egypt) was never populated by Nubians, they were lower on the Nile. Archeological records back this up.
@Karanor2 yes but the Afro-Asiatic language has its roots in Africa. that means the language left Africa.the language did not come into Africa. Arabs also speak a Semitic language as do many Ethiopians.
@Karanor2 the proto-Afro-Asiatic language has its roots in africa. Semitic is one of the daughters of proto-Afro-Asiatic. so either the mothers gave birth to the daughter in africa and brought the daughter to Asia or the mother went to Asia and gave birth to the daughter. either way it has its roots in Africa. but there is no clear consensus on whether Semitic was born in Africa or Asia.
@Karanor2@Karanor2 and i find it funny you haven't answered any of my main key questions which says it all. Go and learn some real facts not from your white racist scholars who can't and won't accept many of the great contributions Dark skinned Africans have made to this world and yes they far outweigh what caucasians have done and that's your scolars can't stand to stomach. The truth hurts i know. By
@Karanor2 If your so sure of this BULLSHIT you seem to be learning or getting your fabricated source from, go and debate at a conference the same way Cheik anta diop did and embarrassed all of your europeans scholars proving the EGYPTIANS were Black in the beginning, but wait, isn't that in the north of Africa, then again you'll probably say it's Afrocentrism right? Now that's basic basic common sense.
typical lying craccka's u wished that he was white hate to burst your bubble u can't even stand in the sun too long africa is a very hot place only for melanted people (black a moors) that is its over and arayan doesnt mean caucasian either legendary liars and thieves u are at best
Shalom .... 1st i wanna give praise to the most high yaweh, 2nd off how about we stand as a people (blackman & woman), go back to africa & demand our own government .... we need our own country,army,politicians,kings&queens, & our own way of life not the ones we have now in america shalom isalam salakem !!!!!! please help spread the message (allthingsnew) 2012
@mrtundra45 Of course he doesn't look black, it's not the real image is it, how stupid can one be, it's what a few of your race like to do, make you believe in something totally fabricated. You clearly haven't studied this topic for you believe his image from this video. Be humble to learn and you might learn something. And, we blacks Africans aren't funny, we just want our credit for our history, what's wrong with that.
@rb7magnetico He is 100% Berber and not a Phoenician. The Phoenicians didn’t exist in North Africa in that time. The Berber of Carthage was called by the Romans PUNIC because of the fact that their culture and language was a mix of Libyco (Berber) and Phoenician. And the Carthaginian Empire didn't include Levant or any other Middle Eastern region.
Calling Berbers conqoids is the same as calling the Nordics Asians
@antwanrogers It's a lie; I saw that show, and he was a very dark caucasion man; look at the facts and stop with lies; my people cannot help it that blacks didn't accomplish much; that is not our problem; all I can say is; whatever!; if that is what you have to do to make you feel better about your inferior selves then so be it. But artifacts, DNA, anthropology, geneticists, and written accounts do NOT lie; why would anybody take the word of a nigger anyway. Don't bother responding; I erase.
im really so fucking tired of thes black stupid negros they said that hanibal was black .you so fucking stupid just look to the majorety of modern nord west africans they are not black and that mean hannibal is not black you stupid negros
@The1987pincer Rage he was black, and your obviously so full of rage so you depend on the majority youtube comments? wow you're pretty stupid (laughter) and spell check buddy you sound like a complete moron read a damn book and you'll see that we negros have contributed alot to society. For example with out us Greeks and the Western civilizations wouldn't have been created without Africa's influence.
@cartoonkingforeever You mean African-American? That's the correct term nowadays ;) But, no, he wasn't "Black" a.k.a. African-American, he was a Phoenician. Phoenicians are of Mediterranean stock, many of their descendants live in modern-day Lebanon but some traces can be found throughout the Mediterranean region, for instance in Tunisia, the location of Carthage and the home of Hannibal...
@cartoonkingforeever Well, you're confusing different types of terminology. Black is a color like red or yellow, not an independent anthropological tool for racial classification. North Indians and South Indians vary more in color among each other than most subsaharan Negroid populations and South Indians do. Australian Aboriginals are relatively close in color to subsaharan Negroid populations yet these two groups are the most genetically distant of all human populations...
@unapologeticmind Furthermore, there's absolutely no indication that Hannibal himself or Phoenicians in general had black skin or Negroid features. If you want to see what Phoenicians looked like you can judge by their own depictions as well as by looking at their modern descendants, genetic studies exist that have traced Phoenician lineage in the Mediterranean. As for the term "Black", it's a relatively recent and unscientific term for African-Americans without any anthropological significance.
@KingsleyEnnis1 but this time pay them and stop fulfilling perverted sexual fantasies upon the women and u wouldn't need to gang up and lynch them like a bunch of coward flea bitten hyenas!!
Phoenician. Phoenicians from the city of Tyre founded Carthage in modern day Tunisia in ~814BC. Other cities in North Africa were founded by the Phoenicians even earlier, such as Utica.
Much of what's on YouTube is garbage including most of what's on the History channel. Whoever control the media the masses through generation believes. I suggest you guys buy books and read including white folks theirs nothing wrong with you guys reading research from black scholars. You can start with cheikh anta diop. I know one thing this Semitic business has became so corrupted since Josephus and he was proven a historian fake hundreds of years ago.
sources from ancient Rome come from greeks, Romans, Jews, and Syrians, but yes most of them were Roman and most of them were biased. The most biased antiquarians were working for Roman Emperors. The best information available on the Punic Wars came from a Greek not at Roman. his name was Polyibius. your last post was so idiotic I don't even know what your trying to say. All western scholars who have no alligiance to ancient Rome, and arre often highly critical of ancient Rome are somehow
Everybody wants to fight over the race and ethnic background of Hannibal Barca the dark spaniards and dark southern italians are proof of what he was.All the depictions of Hannibal are false because they were created by Roman influence and they did not want the world to know that a black african could have defeated them and change the whole course of history. What bothers me is that everyone wants to be racial and fight over the fact when we should use the legacy of Hannibal to bring ppl as 1
@barcidmarket you have no understanding of history and insist on regergitating bullshit which has not been validated by a single credible historian. Real historians don't even bother to speculate on Hannibal Barca's racial or ethnic background. First of there is no evidence that Rome had any kind of ethnocentric world view. They had cultural biases but many Eastern people held high positions of power, and many of them were likely to be dark skinned. Therefore your theory that hannibal's
depictions are somehow a racial, or ethic conspiracy perpetrated by a Republic that had no concept of racism or ethnocentrism is utterly preposterous. Second you have no understanding of what is known about the demographics in N. Africa at the time of Hannibal. The berbers who were likely to be black Africans were oppressed second class citizens often sold into slavery by the Phonecians who dominated Carthaginian society. Berbers did not hold positions of power, and it is therefore highly
unlikely that Barca was of Berber descent. We have no idea what the Phonecians looked like, but they did distinguish themselves as superior to the Berbers. Why don't you take a Roman or world history class and learn the facts instead of just fishing for bullshit to support your pre-conceived ideas.
@bellydweller So on that note until you can come with facts to argue which I can you need to leave this alone because your making yourself look foolish.
@barcidmarket you made the claim remember. You claimed you had proof that Hannibal Barca was black. And your proof appears to be... There were black people in N. Africa then and since there still is low and behold Hannibal was black. Nevermind the whole Hellenized, and Romanized multi ethic world which Carthage was a part of. History is supposed to be intellectually and EMOTIONALLY challenging, not a means to impose your unfounded pre-conceived ideas. I will not show you my sources because I
@bellydweller lol stop it man you won't show your sources because you know it's a bunch of crap get yourself together bro you are a racist just admit it don't be ashamed of who you are. I'm gonna tell you who I am I'm a proud black man that knows who he is and My fiance is white she is also the mother of my son and I'm proud of that because I love all ppl for who they are. It's a shame you can't do the same coming at me with rhetoric and trying to justify it I am not your fool sir
@barcidmarket no your not my fool, your everyone's fool. I come from an interracial family too, and I am not white! My information comes form history scholars yours comes from crack pots on Youtube. If you really wanted some book titles that will challenge your assumptions I would gladly offer them but you have no interest in real history. Only rediculous conspiracy theories.
@bellydweller thats good to know your interracial now first off no I dont go off of what I see on youtube thats ridiculous but you might do. I get my information from ppl like Malcolm X, Clarence X the 13th, Elijah Muhammad, The bible, The Koran, The Torah, The books of Enoch, The Egyptian book of the dead. I can go on with many ppl that are scholars and sources you can study to get the truth we don't have to be enemies we can build. Actually this is the first time I've done this on here.
@barcidmarket I respect all the sources, and writers you list but none are historical sources. I had read from the bible, Quran, and own the Egyptian book of the dead. I respect your sources, but they do not further your claim.
@bellydweller They do support because they give descriptions of ppl in those regions and they are the best history books with books like the bible thought like King James versions and others you have to read between the lines because it's a lot of parrables. But when you study these books you know these ppl are original and the original man is black and I'm not saying this in a racist way towards white ppl but the truth is the only thing that can free the minds of the ppl.
@barcidmarket Carthagian does not imply black by any means, it just means from Carthage. You have no idea what Hannibal looked like, nobody does. No real Historian respects the torah, or the Quran as a historical text. The doublets, and even some triplets clearly indicate multiple authors with multiple agenda's. Also the dates don't coincided with archeological findings. If you want to talk about this question in a historical context you have to leave out scripture.
@bellydweller original man came from Africa everyone knows that, Europeans were not the only white people! Your forgetting about ancient Asian societies. Anthropologists know how and why our external features have adapted to our environment. It stands to reason that peoples of the ancient middle east were likely not to be white, but there is no reason to assume these people who had been out of Africa for thousands of years adapting to their environment were black.
@bellydweller These historians your talking about gives no credibility to anything that does not support western society. And those white ppl that were found in Asia did not begin there they came there from Europe. Plus that theory about ppl adapting to there enviroment is bogus why didnt the eskimos do the same they dark with broad noses. They can't back noneof those claims because they are built off lies just like what the Nazis did with claiming they were the Aryan Nation
@bellydweller thats funny they dont respect the torah or Koran but respect the bible when the bible first five books are the Torah and the Koran is a addition to the bible and the Bible has been tampered with so much it's crazy. To support western society that is and the Phonecians didnt build Carthage they just came their. Plus the Moors came from the same region are you saying they were not black too.
@bellydweller these books support my claim because they give description of the ppl including the Phonecians and they were all dark skinned ppl before european invaders came. I also know that Hannibal's mother was Phonecian but Hamilcar his father was all Carthaginian and this is why I know Hannibal was a black man
@bellydweller ok but you still are informed wrong look my sources are Malcolm X, Clarence X the 13, Elijah Muhammad books are The bible, Koran,Torah, The books of Enoch, Egyptian book of the dead also(Coming Forth By Day). Thats a few where I get true history from they are the best history books also the history of Buddah Zoroaster countries India,Egypt,Ethiopia,Israel,Babylon,Rome,Greece, but thats just to give you a over head of my sources.
@barcidmarket have not said anything that isn't common knowledge. no cite necessary, but since you made the original false claim which has been contested by every Roman history scholar I've ever read or spoken to why don't you show me one source from any author with a related PHD in African history, archeology, Roman history ect. who supports your claim.
@bellydweller first off my sources don't need PHD's and those things from western society because their bias secondly you basing everything off the romans word they are lies they made they're own history just like they made thet're own calender their was no july and august in the original calender like I said lies, lies, lies look just face the fact everything you believe is a lie like santa claus lol
@barcidmarket involved in a global racist conspiracy. Do you know why they use documents from the Roman World? It's because by and large that's all there is to work with outside of archeological evidence. All of my sources use both. They use everything that there is and address the unreliable claims of Roman historians. You are the one who believes in Santa Claus. Believing morons with no historical background is like believing in the tooth fairy
@bellydweller Actually that isn't the only source and if you think that these historians are not molded by higher ups you are foolish. I'm involved in a global racist conspiracy huh lol you are so far off you don't know where you're at or who you are the truth is inside us all you have to do is know yourself. See you don't understand that because your consumed by the world. If you must know I am involved in something and it is the truth which has been oppressed for thousands of years by Romans
@bellydweller Like I was saying that region of the world was posessed by the original man you westernizers what to take everything as your own. Just like you wana say that Egyptians aren't black. Look black ppl come any many shades from dark blue black to high yellow almost looking white skinned. Black ppl are a universal ppl everything that has been invented by the western world was taken fromus including technology. Egyptians performed the first brain surgery when the white man was still in
@bellydweller when the white man was still in caves so you better study your history because western still basing theirs on civilisation has only been here for 6,000 yrs when the history of man goes back millions of years. The greeks and the romans were thieves and liars and america is too because they stand on those principles and ally with semetic jews who are not the real Hebrew ppl. Ya'll ppl think Jesus Christ was white lol sounding and looking foolish go to any middle eastern country
@bellydweller Go to any middle eastern country the real ppl are black not the one's you see on tv (the idiot box) go to where the real ppl are go to asia they black hell go to siberia the eskimos are black learn your history man and stop trying to take claim for something thats not your's. Why you think the Romans hated Hannibal so much they didn't want no one to know in their new world that a black man could have defeated him and stop the progress of the western world.
@barcidmarket Why would Rome want to cover that up when there is evidence that Rome was almost brought to its knees by a mere Woman named Boudicca Queen Of The Iceni. She kicked their butts in ancient Britians, Rome abandoned ancient London (known as Lundium then) because of her. I would think they'd be more ashamed of knowing a mere woman defeated them several times than the possibility of getting beaten by a Black MAN LOL.
@buffyjosmom There was much more to loose by loosing to Hannibal and if you want to instill white supremacy they couldn't let the world know a black man could have defeated them. Britain was just a Roman out post but Carthage was Rome's greatest threat Boudicca was more than likely dug in very deep with a defensive strategy to fight Rome off. She would have never been able to invade Italy or Rome for that much so in actuality she was no threat to the Roman empire.
@buffyjosmom another thing Rome didnt leave Britain because she beat them so bad they left because they were fighting a big war with the Hun's coming from the east and they needed all their men and supplies to keep them from over powering the empire. It's always funny how ppl never wanna give respect where it is earned to black people western history is so distorted and bias I dont know how it can be called history because it's far from accurate.
@bellydweller Ok first off you need to check your history because your basing everything off the western version and we all know thats a lie. Secondly anyone that is so sure of what they are saying doesn't get angry and start cursing so dont do that again If you want to continue this with me. Now You wanna say that no one knows that the Phoenecians were black I'm gonna show and prove to you right now that they were. How is because the original was black and still is that region of the world
@barcidmarket yup you sure showed me. wow what staggering evidence I guess you should write a book and blow everyone's mind! Wait there were black people in N. Africa then just like now - holy shit! how come I didn't figure out. Phonecians came from Phonecia! it's near modern day Israel. If they looked anything like modern day sephardics then they were olive skinned. We now only that they dominated north Africa after taking over Carthage, and the people who were there before were likely
@barcidmarket to be black (berbers). The Berbers were by all accounts second class citizens who were frequently sold into slavery throughout the Roman world. It is therefore extremely unlikely that a prominent position in the millitary would be held be a Berber. Oh and those Black Spaniards you refer to - there were also germanic Spainards, Jewish, and Moorish Spainards as well. If I got mad it's because you are profoundly ignorant and proud of it.
@bellydweller You are funny you keep talking about Berbers thats showing where you got all your information from every black person was not a slave so stop trying to make it look like all black ppl were slaves thats racist first off . Like I said before europeans try to steal everything but it aint your's you guys are the minority and every other nationality is original which is the majority. Like I beeen saying Lies,Lies,Lies stop reading them and thinking their the truth lol
A better definition of African is this one I found on a good site about Africa:
African is a term which super-umbrellas all the indigenous ethnicities of the African continent. Therefore an African is exclusively a person from the indigenous ethnic groups found on the continent of Africa and people who trace their ancestry to these groups in the African Diaspora.There are at least 3,000 distinct ethnic groups in Africa. Africa is the cradle of Humanity, so of course the people are diverse.
glasfurd31- I suggest you pick up several books, a map and drop the pretense of knowledge. the nile flows through 9 present day countries, Tanzania being a source of the blue nile. This is a FACT. The Fula migrate through the Suhal- southern part of the sahara from west to east.The tuareg inhabit -Niger, Mali, Libya, Algeria and Burkina Faso. My point is that Africans regularly cross the Sahara. North African is an ambiguos term, Berber is a misnomer.
glasfurd31- I am Black, and I don't need to be linked to Hannibal to have self worth, I was born with it. Secondly if you're so proud of your heritage stop trying to steal mine. Third, I think it would be easy for Africans to migrate back and forth on a continent that they already inhabited, once again the Fula And Tuareg have been doing it for centuries. The Nile flows into the mediteranean and it begans in Tanzania Sub-saharan Africa. Seems you're the one trying to convice yourself of fantasy.
@olumwandishi You really need to read a book. Send me a link that says the Nile goes to Tanzania & I say you win the agrument. The Tuareg are Berbers (North African) who spread south, not the other way around & what the Fulan in Sudan gave to do with your babbling on about Cathage I have no idea. No need to write back.
glasfurd31- you know descendents mean those who came after, I think you wanted to say Hannibals Ancestors came from lebanon. Which I think is absurd. So It's so implausable for racists to believe that sub-saharan africans migrated to northAfrica, but so logical that people came all the way from lebanon, across the sahara, to settle in modern day morrocco? Well the Fula and Tuareg have been migrating between the sahara and sub sahara for centuries. There's more than one Cleopatra, 1-4 are black .
@olumwandishi I'm going to take a wild guess and guess you're black. Aren't you really just trying to convince yourself that you have some worth by linking yourself to the Barcas? I'm white & I love that came from a backward civilization that sat around in mud huts. I doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think you may to do some more reading up on the Carthaginians. I believe it would be easy for the Phoenicians (Queen Dido) to get to Tunisia by sea & difficult for black Africans in numbers.
No one ever tries to segregate India's heritage though, like Africa's. No one Says Gupta was a "white " Indian or Ghandi was a "Black " Indian. They are acknowledged for having the same Blood, heritage- though they are of different times. But, fear and racism just won't allow people with the true inferiority complex to acknowledge Africa's Heritage. Africa is the craddle of Humanity, the people are diverse since they are the prototype for all the races- all races descend from the Black race.
histatimaniples- So what's your point. Secondly, tendertrap86- Yes Africa is a diverse continent and africans are black people- black does not denote color specifically, cause no one is really black- they're brown. Black refers to their African Heritage, like the people of Europe are white, but for some reason no one ever disputes calling Europeans white. Africans come in many different shades of brown from dark brown to tan- like people of India.
Just because somebody is indigenous to Africa, doesn't always mean they're "Black"! Just because somebody has indigenous African blood or is called an African, doesn't always mean they're "Black". Africa is a very large continent with hundreds of different ethnicities. It's not homogenous. /// Hannibal wasn't black. He was from North Africa, not Subsaharan Africa. There's a difference.
Hannibal was Black, that's why Scipio was awarded the name "Africanus" when he defeated Hannibal. Remeber the Latin name for Phoenecia was Punica. But, Scipio wasn't titled Scipio Punicas. The fact is Phoenecia was a multi-cultural nation made up of city -states. Hannibal's culture and nationality may have been Phoenecian, but his race was what you would call Black. Like Samy Sosa is Dominican, but he is a black man.
@olumwandishi I think Africa referred to the area of modern day Tunisia, which is the reason Scipio got the title Africanus. The Romans knew the rest of the continent as Mauritania or Aethiopia. Hannibal's descendants were from Lebanon not the Congo. Wait ... do you think Cleopatra was black too?
The Punic language is an extinct Semitic language formerly spoken in the Mediterranean region of North Africa by people of the Punic culture.
Punic is an extinct variety of the Phoenician language spoken in North Africa, including Carthage, and the Mediterranean. It is known from inscriptions and personal name evidence.
That means that the Punic langauge was differenbt form the Phoeician language, and Punics was also only spoken in North Africa by the Amazigh nation .
"i heard he was mixed half african and half greek "
He was neither. Its amazing how people can find their way around the internet like youtube, but don't know how to use the web to research famous historical persons. It would take you all of about 5 seconds to google Hannibal and learn the facts, rather than rely of what you've "heard" from dubious sources
yall can keep this pussy hannibal he still got his ass kicked by the romans? yes he did put up one hell of a fight but in the end got pwned so even tho he is most likely black i dont care if he was because even your pussy hannibal looked up to the greatest warrior of all times white or black and that is alexander the great comapred to him hannibal looks like a ant the spartans kicked more ass even lol
"just so you know alexander also lost wars to africa.."
Who is "Africa"? Africa is a continent, not a people or a nation. And he never lost ANY war. The closest he came to defeat was not being able to hold onto Afghanistan
Punic is a Roman name for exclusively the civilisation of Carthage and the colonies of Carthage and the Romans have never changed the name for the Phoenicians from Levant. They gave those two civilisation different names because they were not the SAME.
Etymology: Latin punicus, from Poenus inhabitant of Carthage; akin to Greek Phoinix, Phoenician
Pun = Phoen. Are you blind? Not to mention, Phoenicians were a Semitic people. F and P are often interchanged in Semitic and other middle eastern languages. Hence "Persian" become "Farsi", etc.
@chained2it Dio you know how to use you brain y6ou stupid moron.
Punics are not Phoenicians, Phoenicians are the same people as today lebanees and some syrians. Those middle eastern nations ahve a very DIFFERENT DNA then that of the NORTH Africans. The Carthage Empire didn't gave a shit about the Middle east, when the Persians took tyre and sydon. And you know why, because the Carthagians were not people form the Middle east.
@rifo96 Do you know how to read a book you stupid moron. Punic and Phoenican are 2 versions of the SAME WORD. Cathage was a COLONY of PHOENICIA, genius. They WERE middle eastern people. Do you know a damned THING about the founding of Carthage? Obviously not.
Again, get this through your thick head. And look it up.
CARTHAGE was a COLONY of PHOENICIA.
As for North Africans, thanks for the lesson but my family is from MOROCCO
@chained2it No you stupid moron, carthagians were NORTH AFRICANS and not some gay midlle eastern morons like you. Punic was a roman name for the NORTH AFRICAN population of the Carthagian Empire. The carthagians Empire was in NORTH AFRICA and not in the Middle east you stupid moron.
@rifo96 I dont care what you;ve said before. You still have no clue what you're talking about. Not to mention you're a complete racist.
"gay midlle eastern morons like you."
How utterly childish you are/ And apparently you're illiterate and can't read English so I'll say it again. My family is from MOROCCO. That's in NORTH AFRICA, you brain-dead buffoon.
Carthage was indeed in North Africa. But it was a colony of PHOENICIA. Phoenicia was in the middle east. Simple historical fact. Grow up
@chained2it Your kind of stupid desert aniamls are nothing else then brainwashed stupid barbarians. You stupidkind must uinderstand that if Carthage had anything todo with midde eeastern stupid desert animals then we humans today must find some DNA of the Middle eastern desert animals. But the Tunisians and Morccans, Algwerians and libians have not one drop blood of the Midde eastern desert aliens. So it is IMPOSSIBLE that carthage could be a colony of the Midde eastern aliens.
@rifo96 I'm a NORTH AFRICAN, you drooling retard. A MOROCCAN JEW. But Arabs invaded and colonized North Africa 1300 years ago, jackass. There are millions of North Africans who are of Arab descent. They have quite a bit more than a "drop" of mideast blood. Theyre all Arab-speaking countries now. What planet are you living on?
"So it is IMPOSSIBLE that carthage could be a colony of the Midde eastern aliens"
It is a documented historical fact, mentally deficient child. Read a book
@rifo96 There is no DNA evidence that says Carthage was not a colony of Phoenicia, you imbecile. Carthage was not all of North Africa, and not all North Africans were Carthaginians. Carthage was created by Phoenicians, but it also absorbed many native North Africans like Berbers into its empire. But the people who created Carthage were from the middle east. Period. Case closed
@chained2it And like i sad before you stupud moron, the North Africans have NOTHING to do with the Middl eeastern desert animals. North Africans have a very DIFFERENT DNA and culture then that of the Middle east. So go fuck your self with your stupid desert fairy tales.
@rifo96 You have no idea WHAT you are talking about, you uneducated buffoon. I just showed you how wrong you are and you are too pathetic to even admit it. The word PUNIC comes from the Latin word for PHOENICIAN. You can deny it all you want, but you cannot change FACTS.
I did not say middle eastern people and North Africans are the same. But CARTHAGE was a COLONY of PHOENICIA. That is a historical FACT, not "fairy tales" you delusional halfwit. Study some history imbecile
@chained2it No you stupid moron, becuase when the Phoenicians of Tyre and Sydon were conqeured by the Persians. Carthage didnt fall instead of that Carthage became more powerfull and the Phoenicians of the Middle eeast were fucked and unslaved by there persians masters. So if cartahe was a colony of the Phoecians why didn''t they helped the Pheocians in levenat agaianst the Persian Empire you stupid desert animal.
@rifo96 " when the Phoenicians of Tyre and Sydon were conqeured by the Persians. Carthage didnt fall "
LOL. Which means what? WHy would Carthage submit to Persia without being conquered? Carthage was independent of Tyre. But the founders of Carthage were FROM Tyre. They SPOKE THE SAME LANGUAGE, fool. The word "Punic" MEANS Phoenician in Latin!
You are a dimwitted, uneducated, and immature little snot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about. And a racist to boot. What a dumb fuck
@chained2it No you stupid Moron, The bromans didn't build thier capital in North Africa or else were but in thier OWN HOMELAND ItALY. Why should the Phoeician build thier important city among MILLIONS of North African Imazighen and not in thieir own homeland in the Middle east/
The Luic Language was not the same as the Phoeician language, thge Punic language was mainly a mix of berbers and the Phoenician language. Your kind of misrable liars do not shit about the North African history.
@rifo96 "Why should the Phoeician build thier important city among MILLIONS of North African Imazighen and not in thieir own homeland"
LOL. Are you really this frigging ignorant, you simpleton? Carthage was a COLONY of Phoenicia. Phoenicia's capital WAS in the middle east. Phoenicia had MANY colonies. They were a great trading power. MAny Phoenicians left the middle east and created Carthage. Many Carthaginians were native North Africans too.
@chained2it The word Punic was a roman word given to the nation of the North African Empire of carthage bucause they wre not the SAME people as the pheoicians of tyre of Sydon you son of a stupid desert animal.The romans used both names Punic and Phoeinician, they were not stupid like your kind of stupid desert animals.
@rifo96 The name of the nation was CARTHAGE, not "Punic", you imbecile. Punic was what the Romans called their language and their people, because they were of PHOENICIAN origin. Punic was the Roman word for PHOENICIAN, moron. But there were MANY native North Africans who became part of the Carthaginian Empire, of course. But Carthage was CREATED by Phoenicians, just like the USA was created by the English. And both became independent nations with a mixed population.
@chained2it No you stupid uneducated moron, Punic was the name of the population of the Carthagian empire. Thats why the roman called it also the Punic wars, when the faught the Punics. And 87% of all the the NORTH AFRICANS are PURE North Africans like Dokter spencer of the NGC channel has documented. There are NO DNA haplogroups of the Phoenicians among North Africans, So keep your BULLSHIT fairy tales for your self. You don't know shit about North Africa.
@rifo96 And where do you think Berbers came from, by the way? They came to Africa tens of thousands of years ago. They did not originate there, Guess how they got to Africa? Through the middle east
@Braunheim Many Carthaginian citizens were Berbers too. But the Berbers were there loooooooooong before Phoenicians created Carthage. Berbers have been there since prehistoric times
LMAO! You talk like a fucking comic book character. Can't you even come up with an insult from this century? Besides, you live in the Netherlands you phony-ass wannabe. You sound like a Moroccan version of a Nazi. What a dumb fuck.
"the romans used both names Punic and Phoeinician"
They used called the country of Phoenicia that. But "punic" comes from the Latin word "punicus,which means Phoenician.
@chained2it No you stupid uneducated moron, Ia am educating your stupid ass. i ahte people who are spreading LIES about my people and homeland. The romans were not some stupid animals alike you, the used the two names becuase they were talking about TWO DIFFERENT nations.
@chained2it The Phoenicians and Punics didn't spoke the same langauge. Punics was a mix of North african and Pheonician langauge. the North Africans adopted some culture elements of the phoenicians, but there was no genetic phoenician infleunce you stupid moron.
@rifo96 There is no such thing as a "Phoenician" gene. But why do you think North Africans adopted Phoenician language and culture? For the same reason they later adopted Arab language and culture. Because they were COLONIZED.
The fact that your fragile little ego cannot accept this is pathetic. History is history. It's only because you are so idiotically racist that you won;t accept simple known facts. You hate middle easterners. And yet, Morocco speaks a middle eastern language
@chained2it Today doctor spencer of the National Geogrhaic channel has showend the whole wide world that there is no DNA admixture from the middle east among the North Africans. So go and fuck yourself with your stupid fairy tales. Today there are 240 Million NORTH Africans, egypt alone has more populations then the whole goddammed middle east. Moroccan are not jews but Muslims and Imazghen 100% pure North Africans. jews are from the Midlle east, that's also what they are claiming.
"Today doctor spencer of the National Geogrhaic channel has showend the whole wide world that there is no DNA admixture from the middle east among the North Africans"
LOL. Sure he did. So there are no Arabs in North Africa? Then why does all North Africa speak Arabic, hmm? Morocco had a Jewish population of about 300,000 until the 20th century. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc, all had large Jewish communities too. Are you some kind of Nazi looking to preserve the "purity" of North Africa?
@chained2it Punic and Phoenician language were not the same you son of stupid desert animal. Punic was a semtic NORYTH AFRICAN language which was spoken by ONLY North Africans. The romans were not stupud and they knew exactly who was Punic and Phoeinician. The word phoeinician didn't replace the name Punic, those names are two different names for tow different populations were living in TWO different continents.
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kingzula 3 days ago
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im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
784RudeBoy 2 months ago
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im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
784RudeBoy 2 months ago
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im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
784RudeBoy 2 months ago
im not sure why we choose to come on the internet and argue about foolish things we are now in this time facing a great enemy no matter what race we are black, white, asian etc. This is what they want while we fight over colour and dates they are conquering our lands killing man woman and children each one teach one no need for internet war cause it will only bring us death blessed love to everyone
784RudeBoy 2 months ago
@infox1000 and where did you get this source of information and i'll ask you again because my question is relevant! give me dates? or don't speak
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 months ago
@infox1000 You never answered my first question
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 months ago
@infox1000 Not good enough. Give me dates? or silent your mouth and at what dates was north Africa supposedly not mainly black, because if i can remember north africa was always predominately black until arab and various invasions, so where you getting your info from, further more give me DATES
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 months ago
@DelBoyMcFlyy You must have missed your geography lessons. sub-Saharan Africa is predominately black, it's separated from North Africa by a GIGANTIC FUCKING DESERT called the Sahara. That is why they are considered completely separate areas. Afrocentrism is ridiculous because it assumes all of Africa is the same thing, just because it's located on the same continental plateau. Is all of Asia the same too?
Karanor2 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 NO, i'll find your missing some deep studying lessons, because all of african was people of darker colour than blue meaning dark skinned, before people invaded the land way back and mixed with the natives. It's called that's what they'd like everyone to believe, and it's nothing to Afrocentrism, it's to do with when one knows there history. You won't fool this African man here, i take it you learned in europe right? !
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 weeks ago
@DelBoyMcFlyy It has everything to do with Afrocentrism. You have afrocentrists fucking claiming that romans and greeks were black too, even the fucking SAXONS. This is an offense to all basic logic. North Africa has always been genetically separated from sub-Saharan Africa. Genetic and archeological studies prove this, as well as common sense. The Sahara desert might as well be an ocean.
Karanor2 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 Don't involve other peoples arguments. Let's see if you have BASIC LOGIC, 1st dynasty Kemet, meaning land of the black (Egypt) , was there any form of whites caucassdians europeans over there at that time? and what archeological studies and genetics prove this this, so are you telling me that once upon a time there was no darker skin people darker than blue in the north of Africa?So i'd love to see if you have common senmse answering that question.
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 weeks ago
@DelBoyMcFlyy Kemet is the Nubian word for Egypt, that does not magically make all of Egypt black. Nubians lived in Egypt in sparse amounts, this has archeological proof. Even the Egyptian's art shows them not as black, but more of a reddish-golden skin color. But hey, clearly you know more than the Egyptians who actually lived in that time period. Mind showing me your time machine?
Karanor2 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 how dumb are you? exactly, the nubians had that word when there was no contact with europeans back then, so obviously it was land occupied by black Africans! So what source are you now going to refer to now? oh i forgot isn't that in north Africa, for you to not even know about the sahara in the sense of how it became a desert, then i suggest you need to stop commenting on things you thoroughly don't understand because you are embarrassing yourself sorry to say
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 weeks ago
@DelBoyMcFlyy Are you even reading what I'm saying? There is an English word for Russia, does that suddenly make all the English Russians? Nubians used Kemet as a word in their own language for Egypt, that does not mean they are Egyptians. Egyptians had an entirely different language. This is why I hate arguing with afrocentrists, you don't use facts, and when others do, you claim they're all white devil lies while giving only lies yourself. It's tiring.
Karanor2 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 did i call you a white devil, did i mention anything about afrocentrism. i somehow believe you to be worming your way out of you not answering my key questions. Let me ask you a basic question, was egypt ever once occupied by people of dark skin? and for your appetite, the egyptian name back then was kemit meaning land of the black skinned so go learn some real history
sashelle07 2 weeks ago
@sashelle07 Yes you did. Afrocentrism is about claiming people that weren't black are magically black, just because you say so. And yes, Egypt did have a short Nubian dynasty in it's very long history. How does that make Egyptians all black? You're confusing Nubia and Egypt, they're two separate things. The Nile Delta(Upper Egypt) was never populated by Nubians, they were lower on the Nile. Archeological records back this up.
Karanor2 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 Egyptians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language. the Afrasian language family has its roots in East Africa .
kingzula 1 week ago
@kingzula Arabs speak an Afro-Asiatic language as well, so do most Semites.
Karanor2 1 week ago
@Karanor2 yes but the Afro-Asiatic language has its roots in Africa. that means the language left Africa.the language did not come into Africa. Arabs also speak a Semitic language as do many Ethiopians.
kingzula 6 days ago
@kingzula Afro-Asiatic. Did you forget the Asiatic at the end? It could have come from Asia just as much as it came from Africa.
Karanor2 3 days ago
@Karanor2 the proto-Afro-Asiatic language has its roots in africa. Semitic is one of the daughters of proto-Afro-Asiatic. so either the mothers gave birth to the daughter in africa and brought the daughter to Asia or the mother went to Asia and gave birth to the daughter. either way it has its roots in Africa. but there is no clear consensus on whether Semitic was born in Africa or Asia.
kingzula 3 days ago
@Karanor2 @Karanor2 and i find it funny you haven't answered any of my main key questions which says it all. Go and learn some real facts not from your white racist scholars who can't and won't accept many of the great contributions Dark skinned Africans have made to this world and yes they far outweigh what caucasians have done and that's your scolars can't stand to stomach. The truth hurts i know. By
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 weeks ago
@Karanor2 If your so sure of this BULLSHIT you seem to be learning or getting your fabricated source from, go and debate at a conference the same way Cheik anta diop did and embarrassed all of your europeans scholars proving the EGYPTIANS were Black in the beginning, but wait, isn't that in the north of Africa, then again you'll probably say it's Afrocentrism right? Now that's basic basic common sense.
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 weeks ago
@infox1000 Prove it?
DelBoyMcFlyy 2 months ago
hannibal was african * why dont you white idiots stop stealing african identyties
MyIpsofacto 3 months ago
typical lying craccka's u wished that he was white hate to burst your bubble u can't even stand in the sun too long africa is a very hot place only for melanted people (black a moors) that is its over and arayan doesnt mean caucasian either legendary liars and thieves u are at best
TheAndre396 5 months ago
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Shalom .... 1st i wanna give praise to the most high yaweh, 2nd off how about we stand as a people (blackman & woman), go back to africa & demand our own government .... we need our own country,army,politicians,kings&queens, & our own way of life not the ones we have now in america shalom isalam salakem !!!!!! please help spread the message (allthingsnew) 2012
King0fAfrica 5 months ago
Hey! Stephen Hawking is the narrator! I love that guy!
mariusbleek 5 months ago
hahahahaha He doesnt even look black....lolololol
blacks are funny.....
mrtundra45 5 months ago
@mrtundra45 Of course he doesn't look black, it's not the real image is it, how stupid can one be, it's what a few of your race like to do, make you believe in something totally fabricated. You clearly haven't studied this topic for you believe his image from this video. Be humble to learn and you might learn something. And, we blacks Africans aren't funny, we just want our credit for our history, what's wrong with that.
DelBoyMcFlyy 4 months ago
@DelBoyMcFlyy Hannibal was a Pheonican from North Africa.....this is historical fact.
and what kind of black sub saharan african name is "Hannibal Barca" lol CLEARLY a caucasian / mediterranean man.
there is NO evidence of him being "black" ...sorry
mrtundra45 4 months ago
@mrtundra45 he was berber
tiziouzou2000 3 months ago
hannibal was not a fuckn white man
Lion21Black 6 months ago
lies.
cfinoh1 6 months ago
On what evidence is Hannibal known as a congoid. From the location of his birth its it obvious he is of berber/phoenician heritage.
rb7magnetico 6 months ago
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@rb7magnetico He is 100% Berber and not a Phoenician. The Phoenicians didn’t exist in North Africa in that time. The Berber of Carthage was called by the Romans PUNIC because of the fact that their culture and language was a mix of Libyco (Berber) and Phoenician. And the Carthaginian Empire didn't include Levant or any other Middle Eastern region.
Calling Berbers conqoids is the same as calling the Nordics Asians
zizouzenati 5 months ago
hollywood has made a film about everyone except hannibal,,why is that?
getaura1 9 months ago
@getaura1 Because he was Caucasian and that goes against the popular view that he must have been black because Carthage is in Africa.
I think Vin Diesel would be a perfect choice.
rdjhardy 7 months ago
@rdjhardy Hannabil was as caucasian as alexander the macedonian. LOL.
eljahsiemallah 7 months ago
history channel potrayed him and his father black matter fact its on utube
antwanrogers 11 months ago
@antwanrogers It's a lie; I saw that show, and he was a very dark caucasion man; look at the facts and stop with lies; my people cannot help it that blacks didn't accomplish much; that is not our problem; all I can say is; whatever!; if that is what you have to do to make you feel better about your inferior selves then so be it. But artifacts, DNA, anthropology, geneticists, and written accounts do NOT lie; why would anybody take the word of a nigger anyway. Don't bother responding; I erase.
Aryanresistanceforce 7 months ago
im really so fucking tired of thes black stupid negros they said that hanibal was black .you so fucking stupid just look to the majorety of modern nord west africans they are not black and that mean hannibal is not black you stupid negros
The1987pincer 11 months ago
@The1987pincer Rage he was black, and your obviously so full of rage so you depend on the majority youtube comments? wow you're pretty stupid (laughter) and spell check buddy you sound like a complete moron read a damn book and you'll see that we negros have contributed alot to society. For example with out us Greeks and the Western civilizations wouldn't have been created without Africa's influence.
jennywasfucked 11 months ago
@The1987pincer awww you wanna cry BITCH!!!!!
neosouljazz 11 months ago
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The1987pincer 11 months ago
First of all a white person can`t be African cause African is a race.Second of all Hannibal was not white.
barlog20 11 months ago
he was black
cartoonkingforeever 1 year ago
@cartoonkingforeever You mean African-American? That's the correct term nowadays ;) But, no, he wasn't "Black" a.k.a. African-American, he was a Phoenician. Phoenicians are of Mediterranean stock, many of their descendants live in modern-day Lebanon but some traces can be found throughout the Mediterranean region, for instance in Tunisia, the location of Carthage and the home of Hannibal...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind no i mean a black African, the term black doesn't just apply americans you idiot
cartoonkingforeever 1 year ago
@cartoonkingforeever Well, you're confusing different types of terminology. Black is a color like red or yellow, not an independent anthropological tool for racial classification. North Indians and South Indians vary more in color among each other than most subsaharan Negroid populations and South Indians do. Australian Aboriginals are relatively close in color to subsaharan Negroid populations yet these two groups are the most genetically distant of all human populations...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Furthermore, there's absolutely no indication that Hannibal himself or Phoenicians in general had black skin or Negroid features. If you want to see what Phoenicians looked like you can judge by their own depictions as well as by looking at their modern descendants, genetic studies exist that have traced Phoenician lineage in the Mediterranean. As for the term "Black", it's a relatively recent and unscientific term for African-Americans without any anthropological significance.
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
not *bacar*
1afaro 1 year ago
wasnt his name Hannibal BARCA?
1afaro 1 year ago
AHHH the good ole days !!!! Put the lazy bastards BACK TO WORK. Whip them and bring back lynching !!
KingsleyEnnis1 1 year ago
@KingsleyEnnis1 but this time pay them and stop fulfilling perverted sexual fantasies upon the women and u wouldn't need to gang up and lynch them like a bunch of coward flea bitten hyenas!!
jaystallion400 1 year ago
Phoenician. Phoenicians from the city of Tyre founded Carthage in modern day Tunisia in ~814BC. Other cities in North Africa were founded by the Phoenicians even earlier, such as Utica.
christof139 1 year ago
wow i cant believe this a white guy ok really naw
seemarie1 1 year ago
@seemarie1
watch?v=eiMfXZyCe9w
black egypt - the final proof
TheHorsenation 1 year ago
Much of what's on YouTube is garbage including most of what's on the History channel. Whoever control the media the masses through generation believes. I suggest you guys buy books and read including white folks theirs nothing wrong with you guys reading research from black scholars. You can start with cheikh anta diop. I know one thing this Semitic business has became so corrupted since Josephus and he was proven a historian fake hundreds of years ago.
Bogoa2000 1 year ago
what a bunch of white washed bullshit
eljahsiemallah 1 year ago
sources from ancient Rome come from greeks, Romans, Jews, and Syrians, but yes most of them were Roman and most of them were biased. The most biased antiquarians were working for Roman Emperors. The best information available on the Punic Wars came from a Greek not at Roman. his name was Polyibius. your last post was so idiotic I don't even know what your trying to say. All western scholars who have no alligiance to ancient Rome, and arre often highly critical of ancient Rome are somehow
bellydweller 1 year ago
Yvonne Clark stinks to high heaven.
ratednine 1 year ago
Scipio Africanus. Look it up.
Frankrado 1 year ago
Everybody wants to fight over the race and ethnic background of Hannibal Barca the dark spaniards and dark southern italians are proof of what he was.All the depictions of Hannibal are false because they were created by Roman influence and they did not want the world to know that a black african could have defeated them and change the whole course of history. What bothers me is that everyone wants to be racial and fight over the fact when we should use the legacy of Hannibal to bring ppl as 1
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket you have no understanding of history and insist on regergitating bullshit which has not been validated by a single credible historian. Real historians don't even bother to speculate on Hannibal Barca's racial or ethnic background. First of there is no evidence that Rome had any kind of ethnocentric world view. They had cultural biases but many Eastern people held high positions of power, and many of them were likely to be dark skinned. Therefore your theory that hannibal's
bellydweller 1 year ago
depictions are somehow a racial, or ethic conspiracy perpetrated by a Republic that had no concept of racism or ethnocentrism is utterly preposterous. Second you have no understanding of what is known about the demographics in N. Africa at the time of Hannibal. The berbers who were likely to be black Africans were oppressed second class citizens often sold into slavery by the Phonecians who dominated Carthaginian society. Berbers did not hold positions of power, and it is therefore highly
bellydweller 1 year ago
unlikely that Barca was of Berber descent. We have no idea what the Phonecians looked like, but they did distinguish themselves as superior to the Berbers. Why don't you take a Roman or world history class and learn the facts instead of just fishing for bullshit to support your pre-conceived ideas.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller So on that note until you can come with facts to argue which I can you need to leave this alone because your making yourself look foolish.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket you made the claim remember. You claimed you had proof that Hannibal Barca was black. And your proof appears to be... There were black people in N. Africa then and since there still is low and behold Hannibal was black. Nevermind the whole Hellenized, and Romanized multi ethic world which Carthage was a part of. History is supposed to be intellectually and EMOTIONALLY challenging, not a means to impose your unfounded pre-conceived ideas. I will not show you my sources because I
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller lol stop it man you won't show your sources because you know it's a bunch of crap get yourself together bro you are a racist just admit it don't be ashamed of who you are. I'm gonna tell you who I am I'm a proud black man that knows who he is and My fiance is white she is also the mother of my son and I'm proud of that because I love all ppl for who they are. It's a shame you can't do the same coming at me with rhetoric and trying to justify it I am not your fool sir
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket no your not my fool, your everyone's fool. I come from an interracial family too, and I am not white! My information comes form history scholars yours comes from crack pots on Youtube. If you really wanted some book titles that will challenge your assumptions I would gladly offer them but you have no interest in real history. Only rediculous conspiracy theories.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller thats good to know your interracial now first off no I dont go off of what I see on youtube thats ridiculous but you might do. I get my information from ppl like Malcolm X, Clarence X the 13th, Elijah Muhammad, The bible, The Koran, The Torah, The books of Enoch, The Egyptian book of the dead. I can go on with many ppl that are scholars and sources you can study to get the truth we don't have to be enemies we can build. Actually this is the first time I've done this on here.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket I respect all the sources, and writers you list but none are historical sources. I had read from the bible, Quran, and own the Egyptian book of the dead. I respect your sources, but they do not further your claim.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller They do support because they give descriptions of ppl in those regions and they are the best history books with books like the bible thought like King James versions and others you have to read between the lines because it's a lot of parrables. But when you study these books you know these ppl are original and the original man is black and I'm not saying this in a racist way towards white ppl but the truth is the only thing that can free the minds of the ppl.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket Carthagian does not imply black by any means, it just means from Carthage. You have no idea what Hannibal looked like, nobody does. No real Historian respects the torah, or the Quran as a historical text. The doublets, and even some triplets clearly indicate multiple authors with multiple agenda's. Also the dates don't coincided with archeological findings. If you want to talk about this question in a historical context you have to leave out scripture.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller original man came from Africa everyone knows that, Europeans were not the only white people! Your forgetting about ancient Asian societies. Anthropologists know how and why our external features have adapted to our environment. It stands to reason that peoples of the ancient middle east were likely not to be white, but there is no reason to assume these people who had been out of Africa for thousands of years adapting to their environment were black.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller These historians your talking about gives no credibility to anything that does not support western society. And those white ppl that were found in Asia did not begin there they came there from Europe. Plus that theory about ppl adapting to there enviroment is bogus why didnt the eskimos do the same they dark with broad noses. They can't back noneof those claims because they are built off lies just like what the Nazis did with claiming they were the Aryan Nation
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller thats funny they dont respect the torah or Koran but respect the bible when the bible first five books are the Torah and the Koran is a addition to the bible and the Bible has been tampered with so much it's crazy. To support western society that is and the Phonecians didnt build Carthage they just came their. Plus the Moors came from the same region are you saying they were not black too.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller these books support my claim because they give description of the ppl including the Phonecians and they were all dark skinned ppl before european invaders came. I also know that Hannibal's mother was Phonecian but Hamilcar his father was all Carthaginian and this is why I know Hannibal was a black man
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller ok but you still are informed wrong look my sources are Malcolm X, Clarence X the 13, Elijah Muhammad books are The bible, Koran,Torah, The books of Enoch, Egyptian book of the dead also(Coming Forth By Day). Thats a few where I get true history from they are the best history books also the history of Buddah Zoroaster countries India,Egypt,Ethiopia,Israel,Babylon,Rome,Greece, but thats just to give you a over head of my sources.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket have not said anything that isn't common knowledge. no cite necessary, but since you made the original false claim which has been contested by every Roman history scholar I've ever read or spoken to why don't you show me one source from any author with a related PHD in African history, archeology, Roman history ect. who supports your claim.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller first off my sources don't need PHD's and those things from western society because their bias secondly you basing everything off the romans word they are lies they made they're own history just like they made thet're own calender their was no july and august in the original calender like I said lies, lies, lies look just face the fact everything you believe is a lie like santa claus lol
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket involved in a global racist conspiracy. Do you know why they use documents from the Roman World? It's because by and large that's all there is to work with outside of archeological evidence. All of my sources use both. They use everything that there is and address the unreliable claims of Roman historians. You are the one who believes in Santa Claus. Believing morons with no historical background is like believing in the tooth fairy
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller Actually that isn't the only source and if you think that these historians are not molded by higher ups you are foolish. I'm involved in a global racist conspiracy huh lol you are so far off you don't know where you're at or who you are the truth is inside us all you have to do is know yourself. See you don't understand that because your consumed by the world. If you must know I am involved in something and it is the truth which has been oppressed for thousands of years by Romans
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller Like I was saying that region of the world was posessed by the original man you westernizers what to take everything as your own. Just like you wana say that Egyptians aren't black. Look black ppl come any many shades from dark blue black to high yellow almost looking white skinned. Black ppl are a universal ppl everything that has been invented by the western world was taken fromus including technology. Egyptians performed the first brain surgery when the white man was still in
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller when the white man was still in caves so you better study your history because western still basing theirs on civilisation has only been here for 6,000 yrs when the history of man goes back millions of years. The greeks and the romans were thieves and liars and america is too because they stand on those principles and ally with semetic jews who are not the real Hebrew ppl. Ya'll ppl think Jesus Christ was white lol sounding and looking foolish go to any middle eastern country
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller Go to any middle eastern country the real ppl are black not the one's you see on tv (the idiot box) go to where the real ppl are go to asia they black hell go to siberia the eskimos are black learn your history man and stop trying to take claim for something thats not your's. Why you think the Romans hated Hannibal so much they didn't want no one to know in their new world that a black man could have defeated him and stop the progress of the western world.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket Why would Rome want to cover that up when there is evidence that Rome was almost brought to its knees by a mere Woman named Boudicca Queen Of The Iceni. She kicked their butts in ancient Britians, Rome abandoned ancient London (known as Lundium then) because of her. I would think they'd be more ashamed of knowing a mere woman defeated them several times than the possibility of getting beaten by a Black MAN LOL.
buffyjosmom 1 year ago
@buffyjosmom There was much more to loose by loosing to Hannibal and if you want to instill white supremacy they couldn't let the world know a black man could have defeated them. Britain was just a Roman out post but Carthage was Rome's greatest threat Boudicca was more than likely dug in very deep with a defensive strategy to fight Rome off. She would have never been able to invade Italy or Rome for that much so in actuality she was no threat to the Roman empire.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@buffyjosmom another thing Rome didnt leave Britain because she beat them so bad they left because they were fighting a big war with the Hun's coming from the east and they needed all their men and supplies to keep them from over powering the empire. It's always funny how ppl never wanna give respect where it is earned to black people western history is so distorted and bias I dont know how it can be called history because it's far from accurate.
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller Ok first off you need to check your history because your basing everything off the western version and we all know thats a lie. Secondly anyone that is so sure of what they are saying doesn't get angry and start cursing so dont do that again If you want to continue this with me. Now You wanna say that no one knows that the Phoenecians were black I'm gonna show and prove to you right now that they were. How is because the original was black and still is that region of the world
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@barcidmarket yup you sure showed me. wow what staggering evidence I guess you should write a book and blow everyone's mind! Wait there were black people in N. Africa then just like now - holy shit! how come I didn't figure out. Phonecians came from Phonecia! it's near modern day Israel. If they looked anything like modern day sephardics then they were olive skinned. We now only that they dominated north Africa after taking over Carthage, and the people who were there before were likely
bellydweller 1 year ago
@barcidmarket to be black (berbers). The Berbers were by all accounts second class citizens who were frequently sold into slavery throughout the Roman world. It is therefore extremely unlikely that a prominent position in the millitary would be held be a Berber. Oh and those Black Spaniards you refer to - there were also germanic Spainards, Jewish, and Moorish Spainards as well. If I got mad it's because you are profoundly ignorant and proud of it.
bellydweller 1 year ago
@bellydweller You are funny you keep talking about Berbers thats showing where you got all your information from every black person was not a slave so stop trying to make it look like all black ppl were slaves thats racist first off . Like I said before europeans try to steal everything but it aint your's you guys are the minority and every other nationality is original which is the majority. Like I beeen saying Lies,Lies,Lies stop reading them and thinking their the truth lol
barcidmarket 1 year ago
@bellydweller and to add on the reason you get mad is because you wanna be right and you can't prove you are because your not lol
barcidmarket 1 year ago
Why are there so many dumb bantu ancestory negros out to steal what isnt theirs?
Gonzoidzz 1 year ago
A better definition of African is this one I found on a good site about Africa:
African is a term which super-umbrellas all the indigenous ethnicities of the African continent. Therefore an African is exclusively a person from the indigenous ethnic groups found on the continent of Africa and people who trace their ancestry to these groups in the African Diaspora.There are at least 3,000 distinct ethnic groups in Africa. Africa is the cradle of Humanity, so of course the people are diverse.
olumwandishi 1 year ago
glasfurd31- I suggest you pick up several books, a map and drop the pretense of knowledge. the nile flows through 9 present day countries, Tanzania being a source of the blue nile. This is a FACT. The Fula migrate through the Suhal- southern part of the sahara from west to east.The tuareg inhabit -Niger, Mali, Libya, Algeria and Burkina Faso. My point is that Africans regularly cross the Sahara. North African is an ambiguos term, Berber is a misnomer.
olumwandishi 1 year ago
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olumwandishi 1 year ago
WHAT IS THIS NARRATED BY STEPHEN HAWKING PIECE OF CRAP
freebearride 1 year ago
glasfurd31- I am Black, and I don't need to be linked to Hannibal to have self worth, I was born with it. Secondly if you're so proud of your heritage stop trying to steal mine. Third, I think it would be easy for Africans to migrate back and forth on a continent that they already inhabited, once again the Fula And Tuareg have been doing it for centuries. The Nile flows into the mediteranean and it begans in Tanzania Sub-saharan Africa. Seems you're the one trying to convice yourself of fantasy.
olumwandishi 1 year ago
@olumwandishi You really need to read a book. Send me a link that says the Nile goes to Tanzania & I say you win the agrument. The Tuareg are Berbers (North African) who spread south, not the other way around & what the Fulan in Sudan gave to do with your babbling on about Cathage I have no idea. No need to write back.
glasfurd31 1 year ago
glasfurd31- you know descendents mean those who came after, I think you wanted to say Hannibals Ancestors came from lebanon. Which I think is absurd. So It's so implausable for racists to believe that sub-saharan africans migrated to northAfrica, but so logical that people came all the way from lebanon, across the sahara, to settle in modern day morrocco? Well the Fula and Tuareg have been migrating between the sahara and sub sahara for centuries. There's more than one Cleopatra, 1-4 are black .
olumwandishi 1 year ago
@olumwandishi I'm going to take a wild guess and guess you're black. Aren't you really just trying to convince yourself that you have some worth by linking yourself to the Barcas? I'm white & I love that came from a backward civilization that sat around in mud huts. I doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think you may to do some more reading up on the Carthaginians. I believe it would be easy for the Phoenicians (Queen Dido) to get to Tunisia by sea & difficult for black Africans in numbers.
glasfurd31 1 year ago
No one ever tries to segregate India's heritage though, like Africa's. No one Says Gupta was a "white " Indian or Ghandi was a "Black " Indian. They are acknowledged for having the same Blood, heritage- though they are of different times. But, fear and racism just won't allow people with the true inferiority complex to acknowledge Africa's Heritage. Africa is the craddle of Humanity, the people are diverse since they are the prototype for all the races- all races descend from the Black race.
olumwandishi 1 year ago
histatimaniples- So what's your point. Secondly, tendertrap86- Yes Africa is a diverse continent and africans are black people- black does not denote color specifically, cause no one is really black- they're brown. Black refers to their African Heritage, like the people of Europe are white, but for some reason no one ever disputes calling Europeans white. Africans come in many different shades of brown from dark brown to tan- like people of India.
olumwandishi 1 year ago
Just because somebody is indigenous to Africa, doesn't always mean they're "Black"! Just because somebody has indigenous African blood or is called an African, doesn't always mean they're "Black". Africa is a very large continent with hundreds of different ethnicities. It's not homogenous. /// Hannibal wasn't black. He was from North Africa, not Subsaharan Africa. There's a difference.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
Hannibal was Black, that's why Scipio was awarded the name "Africanus" when he defeated Hannibal. Remeber the Latin name for Phoenecia was Punica. But, Scipio wasn't titled Scipio Punicas. The fact is Phoenecia was a multi-cultural nation made up of city -states. Hannibal's culture and nationality may have been Phoenecian, but his race was what you would call Black. Like Samy Sosa is Dominican, but he is a black man.
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olumwandishi 1 year ago
@olumwandishi
Loony Coon, you wouldn't know a fact if it slapped off your rubber lips and rebounded from your big mommas giant butt.
Loony Coons! lol! Ooh ooh Ooh! Monkey magic!
Gonzoidzz 1 year ago
@Gonzoidzz wow your choice of words.... unbelievable.. you must be at least 10yrs old... go do your homework kid and stay off the internet
cindyknowsitall 1 year ago
@olumwandishi Africanus was the Phoenecia name given to the area now known as africa!!!! lol
histatimaniples 1 year ago
@olumwandishi I think Africa referred to the area of modern day Tunisia, which is the reason Scipio got the title Africanus. The Romans knew the rest of the continent as Mauritania or Aethiopia. Hannibal's descendants were from Lebanon not the Congo. Wait ... do you think Cleopatra was black too?
glasfurd31 1 year ago
lol
Wassil29 1 year ago
bal is amazigh word oke?
Yuba1986Alhoceima 1 year ago
The Punic language is an extinct Semitic language formerly spoken in the Mediterranean region of North Africa by people of the Punic culture.
Punic is an extinct variety of the Phoenician language spoken in North Africa, including Carthage, and the Mediterranean. It is known from inscriptions and personal name evidence.
That means that the Punic langauge was differenbt form the Phoeician language, and Punics was also only spoken in North Africa by the Amazigh nation .
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 Punic is not different IT IS a dialect of Phoenician. Dumbish
Elany13 1 year ago
i heard he was mixed half african and half greek
im just sayn thats what i think and thats what i heard
RealFutureStar33 1 year ago
@RealFutureStar33
"i heard he was mixed half african and half greek "
He was neither. Its amazing how people can find their way around the internet like youtube, but don't know how to use the web to research famous historical persons. It would take you all of about 5 seconds to google Hannibal and learn the facts, rather than rely of what you've "heard" from dubious sources
chained2it 1 year ago
hannibal the berber warrior
Yuba1986Alhoceima 2 years ago
@Yuba1986Alhoceima He was not a Berber. He was Phoenician
chained2it 2 years ago
@Yuba1986Alhoceima
Hannibal was Phoenician, not Berber. Read a book
chained2it 1 year ago
This video seems pointless !!
KoolDa1 2 years ago
yall can keep this pussy hannibal he still got his ass kicked by the romans? yes he did put up one hell of a fight but in the end got pwned so even tho he is most likely black i dont care if he was because even your pussy hannibal looked up to the greatest warrior of all times white or black and that is alexander the great comapred to him hannibal looks like a ant the spartans kicked more ass even lol
shortymoore07 2 years ago
Alexander was a homo like most white warriors of that time and age.
I don't care if he was black either though, he worked for his enemies .
KoolDa1 2 years ago
...just so you know alexander also lost wars to africa...just sayin.
DeathsFavorite1 2 years ago
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@DeathsFavorite1
"just so you know alexander also lost wars to africa.."
Who is "Africa"? Africa is a continent, not a people or a nation. And he never lost ANY war. The closest he came to defeat was not being able to hold onto Afghanistan
chained2it 1 year ago
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
Hannibal Bacar - LEBANESE-WHITE-PHOENICIAN
TrueLebanese1 2 years ago
He was PUNIC and not Phoenician. Punics are mainly Imazighen(berbers) with a Amazigh-phoenician culture.
They also spoke Punic, which is mainly Tamazight with phoenician infleunce.
rifo96 2 years ago
@rifo96 Punic IS Phoenician
chained2it 2 years ago
Punic is a Roman name for exclusively the civilisation of Carthage and the colonies of Carthage and the Romans have never changed the name for the Phoenicians from Levant. They gave those two civilisation different names because they were not the SAME.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96
Umm, no. Do you know how to use a dictionary?
Wiki:
Punic- from Latin pūnicus meaning Phoenician
Miriam-Webster's
Punic:
Etymology: Latin punicus, from Poenus inhabitant of Carthage; akin to Greek Phoinix, Phoenician
Pun = Phoen. Are you blind? Not to mention, Phoenicians were a Semitic people. F and P are often interchanged in Semitic and other middle eastern languages. Hence "Persian" become "Farsi", etc.
Carthage was a colony of Phoenicia
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Dio you know how to use you brain y6ou stupid moron.
Punics are not Phoenicians, Phoenicians are the same people as today lebanees and some syrians. Those middle eastern nations ahve a very DIFFERENT DNA then that of the NORTH Africans. The Carthage Empire didn't gave a shit about the Middle east, when the Persians took tyre and sydon. And you know why, because the Carthagians were not people form the Middle east.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 Do you know how to read a book you stupid moron. Punic and Phoenican are 2 versions of the SAME WORD. Cathage was a COLONY of PHOENICIA, genius. They WERE middle eastern people. Do you know a damned THING about the founding of Carthage? Obviously not.
Again, get this through your thick head. And look it up.
CARTHAGE was a COLONY of PHOENICIA.
As for North Africans, thanks for the lesson but my family is from MOROCCO
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No you stupid moron, carthagians were NORTH AFRICANS and not some gay midlle eastern morons like you. Punic was a roman name for the NORTH AFRICAN population of the Carthagian Empire. The carthagians Empire was in NORTH AFRICA and not in the Middle east you stupid moron.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 I dont care what you;ve said before. You still have no clue what you're talking about. Not to mention you're a complete racist.
"gay midlle eastern morons like you."
How utterly childish you are/ And apparently you're illiterate and can't read English so I'll say it again. My family is from MOROCCO. That's in NORTH AFRICA, you brain-dead buffoon.
Carthage was indeed in North Africa. But it was a colony of PHOENICIA. Phoenicia was in the middle east. Simple historical fact. Grow up
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Your kind of stupid desert aniamls are nothing else then brainwashed stupid barbarians. You stupidkind must uinderstand that if Carthage had anything todo with midde eeastern stupid desert animals then we humans today must find some DNA of the Middle eastern desert animals. But the Tunisians and Morccans, Algwerians and libians have not one drop blood of the Midde eastern desert aliens. So it is IMPOSSIBLE that carthage could be a colony of the Midde eastern aliens.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 I'm a NORTH AFRICAN, you drooling retard. A MOROCCAN JEW. But Arabs invaded and colonized North Africa 1300 years ago, jackass. There are millions of North Africans who are of Arab descent. They have quite a bit more than a "drop" of mideast blood. Theyre all Arab-speaking countries now. What planet are you living on?
"So it is IMPOSSIBLE that carthage could be a colony of the Midde eastern aliens"
It is a documented historical fact, mentally deficient child. Read a book
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it DNA evidence is undisputable, we live now in 2010 nothing can beat the truth of the DNA evidence.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 There is no DNA evidence that says Carthage was not a colony of Phoenicia, you imbecile. Carthage was not all of North Africa, and not all North Africans were Carthaginians. Carthage was created by Phoenicians, but it also absorbed many native North Africans like Berbers into its empire. But the people who created Carthage were from the middle east. Period. Case closed
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it And like i sad before you stupud moron, the North Africans have NOTHING to do with the Middl eeastern desert animals. North Africans have a very DIFFERENT DNA and culture then that of the Middle east. So go fuck your self with your stupid desert fairy tales.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 You have no idea WHAT you are talking about, you uneducated buffoon. I just showed you how wrong you are and you are too pathetic to even admit it. The word PUNIC comes from the Latin word for PHOENICIAN. You can deny it all you want, but you cannot change FACTS.
I did not say middle eastern people and North Africans are the same. But CARTHAGE was a COLONY of PHOENICIA. That is a historical FACT, not "fairy tales" you delusional halfwit. Study some history imbecile
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No you stupid moron, becuase when the Phoenicians of Tyre and Sydon were conqeured by the Persians. Carthage didnt fall instead of that Carthage became more powerfull and the Phoenicians of the Middle eeast were fucked and unslaved by there persians masters. So if cartahe was a colony of the Phoecians why didn''t they helped the Pheocians in levenat agaianst the Persian Empire you stupid desert animal.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 " when the Phoenicians of Tyre and Sydon were conqeured by the Persians. Carthage didnt fall "
LOL. Which means what? WHy would Carthage submit to Persia without being conquered? Carthage was independent of Tyre. But the founders of Carthage were FROM Tyre. They SPOKE THE SAME LANGUAGE, fool. The word "Punic" MEANS Phoenician in Latin!
You are a dimwitted, uneducated, and immature little snot who hasn't a clue what he's talking about. And a racist to boot. What a dumb fuck
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No you stupid Moron, The bromans didn't build thier capital in North Africa or else were but in thier OWN HOMELAND ItALY. Why should the Phoeician build thier important city among MILLIONS of North African Imazighen and not in thieir own homeland in the Middle east/
The Luic Language was not the same as the Phoeician language, thge Punic language was mainly a mix of berbers and the Phoenician language. Your kind of misrable liars do not shit about the North African history.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 "Why should the Phoeician build thier important city among MILLIONS of North African Imazighen and not in thieir own homeland"
LOL. Are you really this frigging ignorant, you simpleton? Carthage was a COLONY of Phoenicia. Phoenicia's capital WAS in the middle east. Phoenicia had MANY colonies. They were a great trading power. MAny Phoenicians left the middle east and created Carthage. Many Carthaginians were native North Africans too.
Punic has nothing to do with the Berber language
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The word Punic was a roman word given to the nation of the North African Empire of carthage bucause they wre not the SAME people as the pheoicians of tyre of Sydon you son of a stupid desert animal.The romans used both names Punic and Phoeinician, they were not stupid like your kind of stupid desert animals.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 The name of the nation was CARTHAGE, not "Punic", you imbecile. Punic was what the Romans called their language and their people, because they were of PHOENICIAN origin. Punic was the Roman word for PHOENICIAN, moron. But there were MANY native North Africans who became part of the Carthaginian Empire, of course. But Carthage was CREATED by Phoenicians, just like the USA was created by the English. And both became independent nations with a mixed population.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No you stupid uneducated moron, Punic was the name of the population of the Carthagian empire. Thats why the roman called it also the Punic wars, when the faught the Punics. And 87% of all the the NORTH AFRICANS are PURE North Africans like Dokter spencer of the NGC channel has documented. There are NO DNA haplogroups of the Phoenicians among North Africans, So keep your BULLSHIT fairy tales for your self. You don't know shit about North Africa.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 ". And 87% of all the the NORTH AFRICANS are PURE North Africans like Dokter spencer of the NGC channel has documented. "
I think you fail to comprehend what you watch, simpleton. What is a "Pure North African"? North African is not a race, dolt.
chained2it 1 year ago
@rifo96 And where do you think Berbers came from, by the way? They came to Africa tens of thousands of years ago. They did not originate there, Guess how they got to Africa? Through the middle east
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The Berbers were Carthaginian slaves.
Braunheim 1 year ago
@Braunheim Many Carthaginian citizens were Berbers too. But the Berbers were there loooooooooong before Phoenicians created Carthage. Berbers have been there since prehistoric times
chained2it 1 year ago
@rifo96
"you son of a stupid desert animal"
LMAO! You talk like a fucking comic book character. Can't you even come up with an insult from this century? Besides, you live in the Netherlands you phony-ass wannabe. You sound like a Moroccan version of a Nazi. What a dumb fuck.
"the romans used both names Punic and Phoeinician"
They used called the country of Phoenicia that. But "punic" comes from the Latin word "punicus,which means Phoenician.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it No you stupid uneducated moron, Ia am educating your stupid ass. i ahte people who are spreading LIES about my people and homeland. The romans were not some stupid animals alike you, the used the two names becuase they were talking about TWO DIFFERENT nations.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 No one is spreading "lies", you emotionally-stunted throwback.
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it The Phoenicians and Punics didn't spoke the same langauge. Punics was a mix of North african and Pheonician langauge. the North Africans adopted some culture elements of the phoenicians, but there was no genetic phoenician infleunce you stupid moron.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96 There is no such thing as a "Phoenician" gene. But why do you think North Africans adopted Phoenician language and culture? For the same reason they later adopted Arab language and culture. Because they were COLONIZED.
The fact that your fragile little ego cannot accept this is pathetic. History is history. It's only because you are so idiotically racist that you won;t accept simple known facts. You hate middle easterners. And yet, Morocco speaks a middle eastern language
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Today doctor spencer of the National Geogrhaic channel has showend the whole wide world that there is no DNA admixture from the middle east among the North Africans. So go and fuck yourself with your stupid fairy tales. Today there are 240 Million NORTH Africans, egypt alone has more populations then the whole goddammed middle east. Moroccan are not jews but Muslims and Imazghen 100% pure North Africans. jews are from the Midlle east, that's also what they are claiming.
rifo96 1 year ago
@rifo96
"Today doctor spencer of the National Geogrhaic channel has showend the whole wide world that there is no DNA admixture from the middle east among the North Africans"
LOL. Sure he did. So there are no Arabs in North Africa? Then why does all North Africa speak Arabic, hmm? Morocco had a Jewish population of about 300,000 until the 20th century. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc, all had large Jewish communities too. Are you some kind of Nazi looking to preserve the "purity" of North Africa?
chained2it 1 year ago
@chained2it Punic and Phoenician language were not the same you son of stupid desert animal. Punic was a semtic NORYTH AFRICAN language which was spoken by ONLY North Africans. The romans were not stupud and they knew exactly who was Punic and Phoeinician. The word phoeinician didn't replace the name Punic, those names are two different names for tow different populations were living in TWO different continents.
rifo96 1 year ago