listening to this cd is so sad for me. in the early films and screentests there's a brightness, a light in her voice. here she sounds so tired and careworn. she burned so beautifully and sadly all too quickly.
love you, edie. you mean so much to so many still to this day.
I don´t think there was anything "wrong" with Edie. Anyone could end up like her having been through what she had...I think it´s perfectly normal considering the circumstances. I´d be a mess too with that family/upbringing. I´d probably turn to LOTS of drugs to escape those memories. I think that´s quite a normal thing to want to do...It´s probably the only way to escape from yourself, the pain and the thoughts...
thank you sooo much for this upload! i'm so fucking sick of people putting comments like "edie was nothing more then the paris hilton of her time" which is COMPLETELY FALSE! she had a very VERY hard life! she suffered sexual abuse and mental illness (anorexia).. one of her brothers hung himself and one died in a motorcycle accident.. the drugs were her way to escape. she was always looking for an escape. rip edie.<3
@TheBonesofBabyDolls Yes, there was so much going on in her head. She was very talented in many areas and she also had a sharp intellect. She was not an intellectual really, but she was fast and very intelligent.
Her parents gave her Nebutol. That is powerful stuff. What a shame. Now I can see how she got into the drugs when she was in New York, just an extension of her life. I agree with IWEARBLUESHOES's statement that Andy did not cause Edie's drug problems. As a matter of fact if you read up on him, he rarely did drugs. He watched everyone else that did though -- he was a known voyuer. Edie just had a lot of baggage with her when she arrived on the Warhol scene.
Why would anyone want to do something like that to their daughter? it amazes me. Her dad was a sick fuck, and her mother was a useless vacant rich & heartless woman. Yeah they supported her financially but they didn't raise her or nurture her like she needed & would've preferred, I'm sure. Edie could've been something very special if people weren't so jealous and naive to a point where they feel the need to bring her down.I'd give anything to go back in time and save her from all of that.
Also when she descibes herself as 'a speedball from another world'. She could use words, just wonderful. But her family had stuffed her up when she was so young, she never really had a chance.
Hmm... Barbiturates given to her by her PARENTS when she was a small child. Plus an INCREDIBLE blue-blood pedigree (read it on Wiki). Sounds like poor beautiful Edie was an Illuminati sex slave (the Illuminati do that to their own children; it's horrible), and the stuff they do to those poor kids can certainly lead to drug abuse and/or SERIOUS mental illness.
This happened when she was dating Bob Neuwirth (Bob Dylan's friend) and she went home for Christmas, her Father told Neuwirth proudly how he had tricked Edie into being committed again, and Neuwirth told him that if Edie wasn't on the phone in 24 hrs that his attorney's in L.A. would get involved. She was released immediately & got off the plane 1st class barefoot, happy, & acting as if nothing bad had happened.
The movie is "Ciao! Manhattan" and the book by Jean Stein goes into her family history all the way back to the Sedgwick's that were friends of the people who signed the Constitution. "Girl on Fire" is a book full of photos of Edie and quotes of people that knew her, a time line of her life, and is much more complimentary than "Edie:An American biography" All three can be found on Amazon
How devastatingly sad! It certainly puts a new slant on seen and not heard. Such a fragile girl that wanted to be loved and adored. Her life makes so much more sense knowing this.
What Edie is talking about is the Xmas of 1966, when she went home for a visit to Santa Barbara. What she is not saying is that she was out of her mind on speed the entire time she was there and went into a frenzy when she couldn't get an amphetamine prescription filled thru her the family doctor. By all accounts, she weighed about '90 lbs., was singing, dancing and talking to herself all over the house and then hit on her youngest brother. Not saying her parents handled the right way but...
Have you read Edie: An American Girl? It states it in there that she tried to persuade her brother Jonathan to make love to her. Its strange when you read it, but its all there in black and white. Her father was worse, he tried to sleep with the girls, as well as his sons.
if you will, please tell me what the name of the book is...i adore her ... new love. I didn't know much about her until Factory Girl...don't hold that against me...
It's called Edie: An American Biography - by Jean Stein. I have read many biographies, and this is beyond Edie - this is a about, a time, a class and a country - the fact that it serves to give you the most vivid picture of who Edie was is an extra. It is not just the best book on Edie - it is probably the best biography ever written. I do not exaggerate.
Beautifully stated. The book is a palimpsest; there are so many threads of the American narrative that run through and get tangled up in her moment, and so many echoes of the past and portents of what was to come later. She was an extremely complicated girl but not terribly deep--she left the world too soon to develop real depth--but her story touches the profound in so many ways. And they actually retitled the book (in the late 90's I think) it's now called Edie: An American Girl.
@DaBestTwilightFan Not an autobiography, but a biography. I think jadebrush was referring to the definitive Edie bio called "Edie: American Girl" that was published in 1982.
It sounds like one of her stories in the movie Ciao Manhattan. What I said about a pill habit "keeping her alive," please remember we're talking about the pharmaceuticals of 1964. Our medicine is much more advanced. She wouldn't have to buy drugs on a street corner today.
Strong evidence that she was bipolar. Mental illness ran in her family. She was known for having sharp mood swings and anxiety.
There are different opinions about Andy Warhol, but I think most people would agree that he showed very poor judgment in working with someone that vulnerable.
@ZenPapageno I am not a doctor, and I haven't seen Edie's medical records, and her psychiatrists never diagnosed her as bipolar or anything in particular, but I'd say you are probably right, based on the things we have seen and read in Jean Stein's and Geirge Plimpton's book. Btw, how long do they keep a person's medical records in the US after that person has died?
@ZenPapageno I'm not a psychiatrist, but based on what I know, yes, you are probably right. She might have been bipolar. Something went wrong when Edie was in her early teens, around the time her grandfather, Henry Dwight "Babbo" Sedgwick, died. Now, Babbo was a great man, a very creative and very much alive person, and to see him die and go away like that must have been a shock to the young Edie. There's much more to say about that...
@ZenPapageno I think you are right. She was probably bipolar, but at the time the doctors were unsure what was wrong with Edie. It would be interesting to explore this further. However, she did have relatively normal episodes when she was doing OK... temporarily.
@ZenPapageno i think he stooped soo low to take advantage of edie soo much especially when she was vunerable! i hate andy warhol... he was such a user
@ZenPapageno I think so too. But she was wonderful. She was a wreck by the time this recording was made, but there was still a spark of brilliance about her.
This is the Ciao Manhattan voice. I think she's groggy from barbiturates. She has been a heavy smoker for a long time. You hear a much more delicate voice in Beauty #2. A brother committed suicide in her teen years, not long after, another died. She was convinced that was suicide. It was the knock-out punch. Ironically, a fairly mild pill habit she picked up before New York may have kept her alive. In Cambridge, she was influenced by Chuck Wein, the very strange man heard in Beauty #2.
Drugs can greatly influence your mental state, that's obvious,(it can actually cause bi-polar)I wonder how much was from that or if she had a weakened mental state from the beginning?
to me it kind of does, she has a very stereotypical "rich" or aristocratic tone and pacing mixed with a tired and raspy voice from the drugs and her smoking habit (it's sort of maybe strange but I love her voice) i tried talking like that for some time but it didn't work for me lol
Parents, show some love (if you know how to. It seems hers didn't), so you're child doesnt end up like this. When you don't have a support system, you're fucked. FUCKED
I think many people felt and feel very protective of Edie's memory, for many reasons. She was an abused child who grew up to be a very damaged woman. What makes one want to celebrate her existence, although it had its questionable moments, is that one is compelled to stand up and acknowledge the courage it must have taken for her to have left anything at all behind that was not overshadowed by the abuse she suffered throughout her life. Edie was no angel. But we celebrate her for having lived.
There are things normal people can do without great effort that take tremendous effort for sick people. She was mentally ill during much of her life. Just being a nice person isn't special, but in her case it may have been heroic. People with her kind of diagnosis sometimes commit mass murder.
I agree. So many like to say that Andy destroyed Edie. As if without him, her life would have been perfect, though I must disagree. After the research I've done, it has always seemed to me that after Edie's childhood, she was the kind of person who started the road of adulthood relatively broken. Sure, the Factory scene didn't help her, but I wouldn't say it was the ultimate destroyer, either.
that is true. everyone is respponsible for themselves, however warhol seemed to gather around him fucked up people that were weak and so could be used to his advantage. Jean-Michel Basquiat was another person he used. it's quite disgusting.
This Video is Sooo Sad!!!! Makes Me All teary, Everything that happened in her life! Poor Girl! so talented an all! R.I.P. Edie
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zeldaideal 5 months ago
This wonderful girl. She is just a little angel up there somewhere now.
MowgliX 7 months ago
listening to this cd is so sad for me. in the early films and screentests there's a brightness, a light in her voice. here she sounds so tired and careworn. she burned so beautifully and sadly all too quickly.
love you, edie. you mean so much to so many still to this day.
glassineheart 10 months ago
I don´t think there was anything "wrong" with Edie. Anyone could end up like her having been through what she had...I think it´s perfectly normal considering the circumstances. I´d be a mess too with that family/upbringing. I´d probably turn to LOTS of drugs to escape those memories. I think that´s quite a normal thing to want to do...It´s probably the only way to escape from yourself, the pain and the thoughts...
1977jenna 10 months ago
A true beauty who was destroyed by fame and herself.
That family fucked her up, she had no chance, Andy only contributed to her demise. She is a very smart woman, but she just imploded.
So sad. She's an icon.
Brendansanatomy 1 year ago 3
thank you sooo much for this upload! i'm so fucking sick of people putting comments like "edie was nothing more then the paris hilton of her time" which is COMPLETELY FALSE! she had a very VERY hard life! she suffered sexual abuse and mental illness (anorexia).. one of her brothers hung himself and one died in a motorcycle accident.. the drugs were her way to escape. she was always looking for an escape. rip edie.<3
AbsoluteMAL 1 year ago 4
I thought she was just another dumb blonde, but there's so much more to her...
TheBonesofBabyDolls 1 year ago
@TheBonesofBabyDolls Yes, there was so much going on in her head. She was very talented in many areas and she also had a sharp intellect. She was not an intellectual really, but she was fast and very intelligent.
MowgliX 1 year ago
that voice doesn't sound anything like Edie... sounds like an old woman.
CarliaRay 1 year ago
@CarliaRay Sadly that's exactly what Edie sounded like at the end of her life.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
Her parents gave her Nebutol. That is powerful stuff. What a shame. Now I can see how she got into the drugs when she was in New York, just an extension of her life. I agree with IWEARBLUESHOES's statement that Andy did not cause Edie's drug problems. As a matter of fact if you read up on him, he rarely did drugs. He watched everyone else that did though -- he was a known voyuer. Edie just had a lot of baggage with her when she arrived on the Warhol scene.
earlyperl 1 year ago
Why would anyone want to do something like that to their daughter? it amazes me. Her dad was a sick fuck, and her mother was a useless vacant rich & heartless woman. Yeah they supported her financially but they didn't raise her or nurture her like she needed & would've preferred, I'm sure. Edie could've been something very special if people weren't so jealous and naive to a point where they feel the need to bring her down.I'd give anything to go back in time and save her from all of that.
wicked3lovely 1 year ago 2
Also when she descibes herself as 'a speedball from another world'. She could use words, just wonderful. But her family had stuffed her up when she was so young, she never really had a chance.
Awareable 1 year ago
@Awareable A 'speedball' is an intravenous combination of coke and heroin, which is what Edie was referring to when she said that.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
Hmm... Barbiturates given to her by her PARENTS when she was a small child. Plus an INCREDIBLE blue-blood pedigree (read it on Wiki). Sounds like poor beautiful Edie was an Illuminati sex slave (the Illuminati do that to their own children; it's horrible), and the stuff they do to those poor kids can certainly lead to drug abuse and/or SERIOUS mental illness.
Lurking99 1 year ago
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jarileigh 2 years ago
This happened when she was dating Bob Neuwirth (Bob Dylan's friend) and she went home for Christmas, her Father told Neuwirth proudly how he had tricked Edie into being committed again, and Neuwirth told him that if Edie wasn't on the phone in 24 hrs that his attorney's in L.A. would get involved. She was released immediately & got off the plane 1st class barefoot, happy, & acting as if nothing bad had happened.
jarileigh 2 years ago 5
The movie is "Ciao! Manhattan" and the book by Jean Stein goes into her family history all the way back to the Sedgwick's that were friends of the people who signed the Constitution. "Girl on Fire" is a book full of photos of Edie and quotes of people that knew her, a time line of her life, and is much more complimentary than "Edie:An American biography" All three can be found on Amazon
jarileigh 2 years ago
How devastatingly sad! It certainly puts a new slant on seen and not heard. Such a fragile girl that wanted to be loved and adored. Her life makes so much more sense knowing this.
Ladibela 2 years ago 4
Poor innocent child.
grainofsandfan 2 years ago
where can i get the girl on fire book? :D
dahhhlia 2 years ago
What Edie is talking about is the Xmas of 1966, when she went home for a visit to Santa Barbara. What she is not saying is that she was out of her mind on speed the entire time she was there and went into a frenzy when she couldn't get an amphetamine prescription filled thru her the family doctor. By all accounts, she weighed about '90 lbs., was singing, dancing and talking to herself all over the house and then hit on her youngest brother. Not saying her parents handled the right way but...
FEXURBISNYC 2 years ago 7
i didnt get you,wat do you mean when you say she hit on her youngest brother
parkerphil20 2 years ago
Have you read Edie: An American Girl? It states it in there that she tried to persuade her brother Jonathan to make love to her. Its strange when you read it, but its all there in black and white. Her father was worse, he tried to sleep with the girls, as well as his sons.
SteffiCalifornia 2 years ago
god thats strange,guess she got all that from the family blood then.She seems very unstable though
parkerphil20 2 years ago
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jarileigh 2 years ago
Her parents gave her barbituates since she was a small child, this was not a isolated incident due to her use of speed
jarileigh 2 years ago
God Bless Edie for being so forthright & honest in her interviews otherwise we'd only have heard the 'truth' from Warhol.
Thanks for posting x
JolieJane 2 years ago 8
AMEN TO THAT..
ehouston 2 years ago
It is ridiculous to try to classify or categorize or thumbnail what her "condition" or "issues" were. She was an aristocrat. They are different.
giannireb68 3 years ago
Poor thing. Read the autobiography; she didn't stand a chance coming from that family. Her father had a lot to answer for.
jadebrush 3 years ago 22
if you will, please tell me what the name of the book is...i adore her ... new love. I didn't know much about her until Factory Girl...don't hold that against me...
lisasboogies 2 years ago 3
It's called Edie: An American Biography - by Jean Stein. I have read many biographies, and this is beyond Edie - this is a about, a time, a class and a country - the fact that it serves to give you the most vivid picture of who Edie was is an extra. It is not just the best book on Edie - it is probably the best biography ever written. I do not exaggerate.
jadebrush 2 years ago 13
Thank you! I will read it as soon as I can.
lisasboogies 2 years ago
Beautifully stated. The book is a palimpsest; there are so many threads of the American narrative that run through and get tangled up in her moment, and so many echoes of the past and portents of what was to come later. She was an extremely complicated girl but not terribly deep--she left the world too soon to develop real depth--but her story touches the profound in so many ways. And they actually retitled the book (in the late 90's I think) it's now called Edie: An American Girl.
babeuf09 2 years ago 4
WHERE DID YOU GET IT? PURCHASE IT?
ehouston 2 years ago
The Ciao Manhattan Tapes come with with the Girl On Fire book.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 years ago
@jadebrush You are absolutely correct there. Edie and two of her brothers had their lives ruined.
MowgliX 1 year ago
@jadebrush what auto-biography as i really would like to read one?? X
DaBestTwilightFan 6 months ago
@DaBestTwilightFan Not an autobiography, but a biography. I think jadebrush was referring to the definitive Edie bio called "Edie: American Girl" that was published in 1982.
MowgliX 3 months ago in playlist Liked
What movie is this from
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klfinkz 3 years ago
It sounds like one of her stories in the movie Ciao Manhattan. What I said about a pill habit "keeping her alive," please remember we're talking about the pharmaceuticals of 1964. Our medicine is much more advanced. She wouldn't have to buy drugs on a street corner today.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago
I know you said this a year ago, but much of our pharma drugs are the same.
maggieskaggs 2 years ago
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jarileigh 2 years ago
the audio is from the "Ciao! Manhattan Tapes," not the movie. the video is a fragment from warhol's "Outer and Inner Space"
desertshore 3 years ago
where do you get the ciao manhattan tapes from?
adriantrench 3 years ago
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jarileigh 2 years ago
Strong evidence that she was bipolar. Mental illness ran in her family. She was known for having sharp mood swings and anxiety.
There are different opinions about Andy Warhol, but I think most people would agree that he showed very poor judgment in working with someone that vulnerable.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago 19
@ZenPapageno I am not a doctor, and I haven't seen Edie's medical records, and her psychiatrists never diagnosed her as bipolar or anything in particular, but I'd say you are probably right, based on the things we have seen and read in Jean Stein's and Geirge Plimpton's book. Btw, how long do they keep a person's medical records in the US after that person has died?
MowgliX 1 year ago
@ZenPapageno I'm not a psychiatrist, but based on what I know, yes, you are probably right. She might have been bipolar. Something went wrong when Edie was in her early teens, around the time her grandfather, Henry Dwight "Babbo" Sedgwick, died. Now, Babbo was a great man, a very creative and very much alive person, and to see him die and go away like that must have been a shock to the young Edie. There's much more to say about that...
MowgliX 1 year ago
@ZenPapageno I think you are right. She was probably bipolar, but at the time the doctors were unsure what was wrong with Edie. It would be interesting to explore this further. However, she did have relatively normal episodes when she was doing OK... temporarily.
MowgliX 1 year ago
@ZenPapageno i think he stooped soo low to take advantage of edie soo much especially when she was vunerable! i hate andy warhol... he was such a user
DaBestTwilightFan 6 months ago
@ZenPapageno I think so too. But she was wonderful. She was a wreck by the time this recording was made, but there was still a spark of brilliance about her.
MowgliX 3 months ago in playlist Liked
This is the Ciao Manhattan voice. I think she's groggy from barbiturates. She has been a heavy smoker for a long time. You hear a much more delicate voice in Beauty #2. A brother committed suicide in her teen years, not long after, another died. She was convinced that was suicide. It was the knock-out punch. Ironically, a fairly mild pill habit she picked up before New York may have kept her alive. In Cambridge, she was influenced by Chuck Wein, the very strange man heard in Beauty #2.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago 5
Didn't 2 of her brothers die?
crazyangelly 3 years ago 4
Two of her brothers committed suicide.
YusefAsabiyah 2 years ago
Really?
ciezza 2 years ago
Yep.
If you want to find out how bad it can be to have a rich, powerful father, read Jean Stein's biography, "Edie."
YusefAsabiyah 2 years ago 2
Wow thank you so much.
ciezza 2 years ago
oh god but why?
parkerphil20 2 years ago
Drugs can greatly influence your mental state, that's obvious,(it can actually cause bi-polar)I wonder how much was from that or if she had a weakened mental state from the beginning?
crazyangelly 3 years ago 3
very good question.
CupcakeExplosion 3 years ago
do you mean you'd expect a different voice out of her? I agree
crazyangelly 3 years ago 2
her voice does NOT match her face at all!
gypsydeath91 3 years ago 5
to me it kind of does, she has a very stereotypical "rich" or aristocratic tone and pacing mixed with a tired and raspy voice from the drugs and her smoking habit (it's sort of maybe strange but I love her voice) i tried talking like that for some time but it didn't work for me lol
dumbasaboxofhair 3 years ago 11
Parents, show some love (if you know how to. It seems hers didn't), so you're child doesnt end up like this. When you don't have a support system, you're fucked. FUCKED
marcosne 3 years ago 6
You got that right!!!!!!!
nativewolfchild 3 years ago 2
I think many people felt and feel very protective of Edie's memory, for many reasons. She was an abused child who grew up to be a very damaged woman. What makes one want to celebrate her existence, although it had its questionable moments, is that one is compelled to stand up and acknowledge the courage it must have taken for her to have left anything at all behind that was not overshadowed by the abuse she suffered throughout her life. Edie was no angel. But we celebrate her for having lived.
lilmisssunshinenyc 3 years ago 3
There are things normal people can do without great effort that take tremendous effort for sick people. She was mentally ill during much of her life. Just being a nice person isn't special, but in her case it may have been heroic. People with her kind of diagnosis sometimes commit mass murder.
ZenPapageno 3 years ago 2
I wonder if the parents ever had to answer for their abusive behaivior, she's making some strong confessions here..
poor child..and how many others like her..:(
shaneanu 3 years ago 12
thank you
smalllady1216 4 years ago
nooo problema ;)
thanx for subbin' homie <3!
desertshore 4 years ago
where can you find the ciao manhattan tapes?
Carlaughslast 4 years ago 2
CD comes inside book "Girl On Fire"
desertshore 4 years ago
Poor Edie.I wish she had taken better care of herself.
shatterdwing 4 years ago 7
guess she didn't know how?
desertshore 4 years ago
I agree. So many like to say that Andy destroyed Edie. As if without him, her life would have been perfect, though I must disagree. After the research I've done, it has always seemed to me that after Edie's childhood, she was the kind of person who started the road of adulthood relatively broken. Sure, the Factory scene didn't help her, but I wouldn't say it was the ultimate destroyer, either.
iwearblueshoes 4 years ago 7
exactly.
desertshore 4 years ago
that is true. everyone is respponsible for themselves, however warhol seemed to gather around him fucked up people that were weak and so could be used to his advantage. Jean-Michel Basquiat was another person he used. it's quite disgusting.
largerer 3 years ago