ivejust been looking through previous comments and u think u run this page dont u,cuz u have been bangin on 4 ages,hopefully u will understand this YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE,I hope you try to diss me to make me look stupid and uninterlectual becouse I am..oh yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh boooodie>>>>>>>>> KERNOW
The numbers of speed cameras being damaged have fallen dramatically in the past twelve months. Safety Camera Partnerships reported that there has been an 82% reduction overall in vandalised static cameras such as the Gatso.
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Thank you for interest in "Shedding Pounds", but I must inform you that Graham Coxon isn't the "Chair-man".
Graham Coxon was the guitarist in a popular "Brit-pop" band called "Blur" and then went on to do his own thing, releasing songs such as "Freaking Out".
Thank you for you gift request. However, I regretfully have to inform you that Corpus Delicti isn't around at the moment and therefore cannot accept gifts at this moment in time. Unfortunately, the Police don't bring him to Court anymore and it appears to reduce their ability to gain footing. Indeed, their Standing looks very "ify"!
visit `birmingham speed`check clips of denny174,view clips 7 and 8 and see a SHOCKING revelation of cameras which makes their evidence in court unreliable.
What evidence is unreliable? GATSO's are only type approved to be rear facing, the lines on the road will clearly illustrate the speed of any vehicle within its capture zone. Just because the flash fires does NOT in itself constitute the offence.
What evidence is there to say any drivers have been wrongly sent NIP's?
I was a Japanese solider in the 2nd World War. One evening, I was moving operations deep in the enermy stations were upon I met a fellow solider going the other way. We exchanged addresses and over the years we became good friends. However, I have not heard from him in over 40 yrs. Should I try and find him or were we just "Two Nips that passed in the night"?
Friends,these corrupt activities may be coming to an end.The West Midlands Partnership is in complete shambles, the Chief Constable Sir Paul Scott-Lee is resigning by May 2009,his partnership founder Andrew Pearce has alrady left(for a private speed related organisation),spokesperson p.c Sweet has taken early retirement.See some of the SCAM on YouTube search "Birmingham Speed".It`s all been a SCAM involving the Police,the Courts,and the DfT,with Serco hiding the FAULTS.Bye,bye scammers.
How exactly do SERCO hide the 'faults'? They turn up & replace broken kit when it is reported - but 'hide' faults = HOW?
The days of speed enforcement have only just begun. Wait until average speed technology really takes off on every motorway, the ANPR based detection system also checking tax, insurance & MOT, all with no flash.
You'll soon look back longingly at the days when you could see the nice big yellow box on a stick ahead, could slow down as you passed & then speed off again.
Take no notice of denny174's completely baseless waffle. Obviously somebody with an axe to grind just making stuff up to appear sensationalist for the sake of it.
Many times denny has been challenged to back 'facts' up, but nothing whatsoever forthcoming. More than likely a prosecuted speeder with a flea in his ear.
So, if Denny is in fact a "prosecuted speeder" (not that I'm implying that he/she is because to do so would be slander on my part), whom was or would be the "complaining party"?
No, I mean "complaining party" as it is written, also known as "corpus delicti\body of the case". Who would be the "corpus delicti" against Denny? It can't be Denny because that would mean that Denny is complaining about his own actions.
Everyone should network together and then all go out and in one night everyone should destroy a speed camera each. We could get rid of the whole bastard network of the fucking things and the government wouldn't be able to afford to replace them all. Fucking police are money grabbing bastards who don't deal with real crime, instead they just persecute motorists. The only ones that did do their job properly are the ones that shot that de menezes guy.
You are wholly misinformed. Police have nothing whatsoever to do with static speed cameras, they equally do not receive one penny piece from the fining process.
The government do not equally finance replacement cameras, motorists do - when a camera is damaged, mobile enforcers go out on overtime & prosecute large numbers of drivers to make up the cost of new equipment. The more cameras destroyed, the more prosecutions take place.
The system will not allow itself to be compromised.
I am not misinformed at all. The police do recieve major income from fixed camera fines and they have damn well admitted they do, which is why everyone is always suspicious when one is placed where it appears not to be needed.
It's also ridiculous to suggest that the whole network could be replaced if it were destroyed, especially in a recession. It would take years, or perhaps the government would get the message that they're unwanted. I'd send every driver a radar jammer too if I could.
Static cameras are managed by SERCO who have a facility that comprises a warehouse in every safety camera partnership area. Each facility carries enough pre-purchased 'stock' to replace every camera twice over in that area, much like a parts department that supplies the motor industry.
The reason Swindon opted out is because the revenue collected goes directly to the government.
The above clip refers to mobile cameras which radar jammers would not help in way.
Do you know what a radar jammer does? It jams lasers and radar signals shot at it by mobile speed detection units. That's specifically what they're for you idiot. The guns that the "speed enforcers" use come up with an error message if you have on placed behind your number plate. Automatic garage door openers do the same thing.
I know revenue doesn't go directly to the police, it'd due dillegence, but they do recieve a large percentage of it back from the government.
Also, the camera's would just have to be destroyed again until the time and cost of paying people to replace them was too much, and the government got it through their thick ignorant skulls that the motorist has had enough of being persecuted and won't put up with it any longer. Just like the Dutch!
Who the fuck are you anyway, Richard bastard Brunstrom? The only people that argue for speed cameras are those with a vested interest in them, everyone else thinks their unnecessary money traps.
Radar jammers supposedly jam radar & laser jammers supposedly jam lasers. They are highly unreliable - the error message you refer to is 'error 7' - but Tele Traffic came up with a software workaround & jammers are now easily countered.
Fortunately, today's society consists of a bunch of people who live very isolated lives & the concept of somehow uniting them to all go out on the same night & wollop every camera is more likely in the Land Of Narnia.
Civilian camera operators are trained to a much higher standard than any police officer. Training lasts weeks & includes Lastec video operation which police don't use, plus everything a civilian does is recorded & can be viewed back, Police are merely handed the LTI 20.20., told to look through the sight/pull the trigger, that is their training. There is then nothing that proves you were speeding other than the coppers word. From my experience, enforcement is not done if signs are not visible.
Weather does not impact LTI operation other than severe moisture levels slightly reducing range as a lock cannot be obtained, it does not alter accuracy. There is no directive that limits use in bad weather.
Every single day the camera processing unit is asked to produce calib certs & are acutely aware of when they are up for replacement, to allow one to lapse makes no operational sense.
Why would a braking car rear-end the car in front?
The biggest problem with speed cameras is that it's quite often the case that people don't even know they've been had. Hence they carry on hurtling down the road and knock someone down. camera ineffective.
I'm all for road safety but I hate people who play pig ignorant when clearly they are revenue for the Gov. Some sites just take the biscuit and are dangerous.
I had a car smashed up because some1 spotted a camera late. it was rear shunt + buckled the chassis of my audi quattro!!!!!!
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My question was most clear, what is the 'scam'? You however duck and dive, hiding behind semantic chicanery avoiding the key issues, then collapse in nonsensical and meaningless laughter.
My question was most clear, what is the 'scam'? You however duck and dive, hiding behind semantic chicanery avoiding the key issues, then collapse in nonsensical and meaningless laughter.
im laughing at you and the system you represent if the system. which you adore so much. actually did something constructive and got this country in shape.
Adore the system? I don't - I am merely pointing out that damaging static speed cameras impacts working families far more than it reduces speeding fines.
Speed cameras exist, average speed technology is set to become very big despite Gatso's being burnt & the publicity regarding Swindon. It is not going to go away, it is growing in size & capability.
You can laugh, you can cry, it matters not one iota to me nor the legal system.
Adore the system? I don't ya dig - I am telling ya that damaging static speed cameras impacts working families far more than it reduces speeding fines.
Speed cameras exist, average speed technology is set to become very big despite Gatso's being burnt & the publicity regarding Swindon nd Durham nd that york place aye. It is not going to go away, it is growing in size & capability like terminators.
You can laugh, you can cry, it matters not one iota to me nor the legal system which is pro.
Terminators grow in size? This is simply self-defeating as their biggest advantage is to blend in and not be noticed - really big terminators would kinda like stand out making their existence instantly known.
Terminators grow in size? This is simply self-defeating as their biggest advantage is there ability to see in the dark - terminators with bad vision would be a problem. Im telling you thunderbirds is where it's at. Bring it on!
i personally dont give a toss . they can burn a hundred of these a day . its all down to the greedy goverment. its their way of saying intraducing these and other such petty laws . so we have to pay for the work shy and the immorgrants . and you support this .
You say we pay for these "immorgrants", and do i support this.
Well... as a matter of fact i do support it, being an "immorgrant" myself. The money is much needed for my internet connection to allow me to fill forums and message boards with my love for speed cameras.
am inot allowed to have an opinion on why i think its abit wrong to put a camera in an pointless place rather than outside a school or pedestrian area?
You are entitled to any opinion you choose, but you have posted it here, so must expect a response.
Cameras are placed on fast A roads away from houses where the RTA mortality rate is high. It would be impractical to have a few cameras just in built-up areas, there has to be an ongoing presence to serve as a reminder that high end speeding will not be tolerated & is socially unacceptable. Speeding is evident everywhere, so why is this 'abit wrong' exactly? Be specific.
i have lived in the area all my life, it is a safe road,about a quarter mile length,as far as i know there hasnt been any crashes that i have heard of,my friend lives a couple of yards from this camera and has told me of one accident there that he knows of.
In my town i think there are alot more high risk places this camera should be placed such as a national speed limit into a residentail area,rather than on a normal road with no serious hazards.thats my opinion, and thats how i feel about it.
ok lets not damage any more scameras,,,,,until there is 1000,000 of em then we,ll all be safe, road deaths will be at 0,,no one will speed,,and driving a potentialy fast vehicle will be ,fun,fun,fun ,, sounds like a great place,,,,,,not
Static speed cameras like Gatso's are a drop in the ocean compared to what is coming with average speed technology. Within 5 years every M & A road will be networked to monitor every vehicle and work out its average speed.
You can drive vehicles that are potentially very quick, but if you do exceed the posted limit, you can count on points and a fine.
ahh lolly(wannabe policman)gaggly,,,are you still waffling on about how you love speed cameras,,,hahahaa,,i can imagine your comfy little world,where everything is filmed,,and we just take whatever the authorities throw at us,,good boy lolly,,your a star,,i have a question for you,,do you drive a car,,or a motorbike ?
Nowhere have I stated I love speed cameras. However, the average road user has little to no clue how the organisation is structured, or what mechanisms are brought into play when a camera is damaged. The system will not allow itself to be compromised, damage a camera & you screw the average road user, it is that simple. Your approach is highly flawed, if no-one triggered speed cameras, there would be no income & the thing would cease to function. Damaging cameras just makes it all much worse.
put them somewhere that is accident prone because of speeders...but to put them somewhere that isnt very pedestrianised and where doing 67 instead of 60mph wouldnt harm anyone is just to make money. u must work in this area...and guessing at the bad reactions u get on youtube u probly get a bit of abuse in real life lol. u have no argument wen 99% of the british public dont agree with u...the other 1% r the police themselves.
I'm cool with your response, total avoidance & rhetoric is your ONLY real option given you are backed into a corner. The issue of dummy cameras = ignored, the issue of signage placement = ignored. The residents of countless community concern sites desperate for speed enforcement issues, who actively make tea & food for mobile speed enforcement teams!
Your logic, & your information isn't just flawed it is totally inaccurate, based upon hearsay waffle.
I would also highlight the error with 'where doing 67 instead of 60mph wouldnt harm anyone is just to make money'.
You will not be be prosecuted for 67mph in a 60 zone. ACPO Guidelines allow 10%+2, meaning the absolute base threshold before a NIP is issued will be 66+2 = 68mph. In fact most SCP's would ramp that up to 70mph.
Again your info is more than flakey.
Try again, perhaps pentatonic scales are taking up too much of your time? Less arpeggios, more research
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Virtually every road traffic accident is the result of speed, othwerwise each driver would stop safely before the collision took place.
Speed cameras aren't designed to stop accidents, more that when one happens, the resulting injury/damage is greatly reduced. It is unrealistic to expect a few camera sprinkled about to stop all accidents.
Hence, 'It's 30 for a reason' acknowledges children/people will be hit by vehicles, but when they are, the risk of death is dramatically reduced.
not all road accidents are speed related. and its quite well known speed cameras or mobile camera vans are often placed in specific places to catch people out and make that particular police force more money. and another well known fact is the survey that was carried out which proved that wen there was a big increase in cameras in britain...road traffic accidents also increased. could be coincidence..but still massively contradicts ur theory.
she starts off by saying you should aim at the number plate, then they talk about "slip factor" from when aiming at the side of a car? I don't really understand the point if this surely it is common sense that if the "gun" is waved around all over the place then the reading will be inaccurate? Surely there are enough arguements out there against speed cameras that hold mroe water than this?
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Okay, can you supply a list of the 'arguments against speed cameras'?
Don't make the list too long, remember you are limited with the amount of words you can use. So let's have just a list of six points of the arguments against speed cameras.
1. 90%? Verifiable source please? Most camera operators are civilians, NOT police.
2. 30%? Source of this claim?
3. Weather itself does not influence laser based technology.
4. 400 metres = wrong. It's within 1 Km of the housing (in the UK), but this is based upon guidelines, NOT legislation. You don't legally even have to have signs.
5. Source?
Of course, cameras are placed to impact the maximum number of speeders, why put them somewhere where they would do no good?
4. 400 metres = wrong. It's within 1 Km of the housing (in the UK), but this is based upon guidelines, NOT legislation. You don't legally even have to have signs. JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT LEGISLATION, ITS SOCIALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
5. Source?
Of course, cameras are placed to impact the maximum number of speeders, why put them somewhere where they would do no good? IF THEY'RE NOT TRIGGERED EUREKA IT'S DONE IT'S JOB!!!!
Okay, that's cutter kicked into touch with his bizarre unsubstantiated claims.
What workable alternatives are there to speed cameras? Ones that would not dramatically increase taxes and throw the country into chaos whilst they are implemented/constructed?
i got done by a mobile van and never heard anything else of it. it happens approx 50% of the time. speed cameras create around £112 million a year. £92 million is spent of the system thats 20 million profit approx. still healthy, imagine if they increased accuricy, jesus.
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'handheld gun dont cant correctly'? Did you type that incorrectly? Perhaps the lights were off?
Complete rubbish - the LTI 20/20 is an infra-red laser that works perfectly under any lighting conditions. The accompanying video camera lens just needs the aperture opening up and you have a stonking combination at any time of day. No additional lighting required - motor vehicles have their own at night which do the job adequately.
Lolly are you still spouting rubbish AGAIN? you are both right, the infra red beam DOES NOT need a flash to obtain a reading BUT the resulting picture OF ANY KIND at night DOES need a light source. The camera at night requires infra red settings, filters and a infra red flash which DOES NOT blind the oncoming driver.Lolly take note that the vehicle usually has its lights ON at night so this has to be counteracted to light up the plate! You really do have a boring little exsistance don't you!
Thanks for responding, but I have no clue what you are replying to exactly? If you refer to low light Gatso use, the conventional daylight balanced flash (@5,400K) is used for the daylight balanced 35mm film, there is no infra-red flash whatsoever or 'filters' as it is RADAR based - not infra-red.
The mobile LTI 20.20 needs no flash either, the target vehicle's lights often being the only light source needed to record using the attached Sony video camera = no flash.
Where do you live, Greenland? Surely it just makes more sense to simply drive sensibly and travel at any time?
It begins to get light currently in the UK at @ 04:10, but with an open aperture on the LTI 20/20's camera, you can use it under normal streetlit conditions through the night. In the darker months, there are no problems where there are streetlights.
Mobile enforcement vehicles routinely out at 05:00, starting work on location at 06:00.
The majority of mobile enforcement is now done by civilians & everything videotaped so it is physically impossible to hand-hold the equipment as there is a heavy video camera & video monitor attached to the side of the laser unit. This is totally different to that used by regular police - all equipment therefore HAS to be tripod mounted.
You can't use the equipment incorrectly, any discrepency is highlighted on video tape & it wouldn't get to court.
Just like pointing a loaded gun at someone, this video clearly shows you how not to use a speed camera. That said, it avoids the fact that once trained, a competent operator will record offences with 100% accuracy, avoiding positioning their vehicle in a location that might incorrectly record speeds.
All offences recorded by Safecam staff are recorded onto video tape and used in court, so there is no question of how the evidence of speeding was acquired.
Thank you for the accolade, but I am not here for flattery, merely to promote thought.
Can someone detail exactly what it is that people do not like about speed cameras? The point is continually made that they are resented, by why, what precisely is the problem? Only the guilty finance the industry, they are not paid for out of taxes, you only have to slow down for a few yards - so what exactly is the moan about??
brains is a good nickname for you clearly you believe yourself to be an authority on everything instead of the nothing you really are...now you trying to tell us that you are an authority on the english language ...do you have a degree in english?ha ha ha ha pathetic sad really sad
The last time I watched Thunderbirds was about 1971 - I love the way you adopt a sidestepping policy to avoid the real issues. Because I remember something from years ago, doesn't mean I just saw it.
Seems I am not the only one who saw you as being female - all your incessant banter about cowardice et al, is so very feminine. Your whole literary style is 'womanly'. Many women can't grasp the 'I before E, except after C' rule - and that is you all over.
so why you talking about thunderbirds then brains...? i have not avoided no issues at all which? my wife thinks its really funny that you think a certain way of writing is womanly lets see could that be some kind of bigotry? correct grammer is not neccesary on you tube its the meaning that counts. i shall talk about road safety ..you just keep talking about thunderbirds....ok brains
mr lollygaggle(or shall we call him brains instead?) in my opinion does not care about road safety hes just bored thats why he launches into attacks on people that have a different veiwpoint from his..its actually quite sad ..civil? ...what utter rubbish
don't see lolly saying he watches Tbirds now, just you are easily toyed with and hes right, you say you have left then he drops bait in the water and you go for it. i do agree that you come across as being a woman your posts are very girly also seems you are the one throwin insults, lolly has been very civil youve sworn and thrown all kinds of stuff, seems you have struggled
yes whatever i dont know what you mean about girly ..mr lollygaggle (what does lollygaggle mean exactly?)...i find to be a provocative nasty snide and bigoted individual and if someone attacks me for no other reason than having a different point of view from theirs then its only natural that i should retaliate i have not stuggled in the slightest im past caring now whats the point of talking about the serious issue of road safty with someone who still watches thunderbirds
In the original series of Thunderbirds, every move was planned, choreographed, puppeteers pulling the strings attached to the little artificial limbs. However, none of the figures moved with any finesse or conviction, just an odd, stiff, robotic, predictable gait.
you cant provoke people like that SIR when you cant win an argument... you resort to mindless insults ..is that the type of person who should be in authority?...i think not. now if you dont mind i have much better things to do than make you feel more important than you actually are
Perhaps the foreign driver with no roof should have got some conversion software (imperial to metric) before attempting to drive in a different country?
Well, that all worked out very nicely, knew she couldn't stand the pace.
lollygaggle is showing what type of intellect he has access to here..i am male.. perhaps you was hoping im a she..sorry to disappoint you anyway im not point scoring like you ..my points are serious and constructive backed up by facts and statistics you have nothing but clap trap to offer so i take it you dont believe in modernisation of our country your just a sad little nothing locked in the past a yesterdays person
gosh lolly gaggle, you really have nothing sweet to talk about, its awesome to know that we have rights to dispute speeding tickets out there, its the police who think they are the gods on the roads, I'm grateful for this video, I will forever dispute any speeding ticket I have may have in the future given this knowledge & its laughable how you quote from thunderbirds. :P
If only life was that easy, a few choice expletives and all your problems just go away. Unfortunately, it isn't like that as you can see - would a cuddle help?
Thanks for thinking of me though, it's cool to know you can get to someone just by pressing a few keys on a keyboard.
It is that simple. Now I dont have to call you a cunt. Thank you Internetracecar :) On another note. Ask ANY POLICE Officer & he will tell you there is no such thing as "100% Accuracy" with a laser system. There are many things on the road it can reflect off of. Including reflective material on different cars driving around. Its very accurate, around 90%. Also, Notice how you have Thumbs down on all your comments LMAO! My God Woman I havent seen a bigger loser than you since highschool.
I am guessing you are a colonist from your general comments. Life is very different here in the UK, when a camera is damaged, it is simply replaced from stock, there is no 'public hearing' & the money recouped by increasing mobile enforcement. No-one is fired.
An experienced and dedicated LTI operator will avoid using the equipment anywhere & in conditions that might generate erroneous readings. Good training helps.
I am unable to comment on your signage issues and have no bananas.
Im in the USA, so if you're telling me that you guys don't have public hearings in your township so that the residents have a say so in what happens in their own neighborhood, then I feel very sorry for you. Here in America the government has to listen to the People and give them what they want (or at least close to it) Or people get Fired. We dont put up with that shit. I guess that explains why we dont have these stupid cameras over here lol
'If they decided to use £200k of tax payers money, then believe somebody is getting FIRED That day. Do you know anything about politics?'
Tax payer's money isn't used to replace damaged cameras here in the UK, there are Gatso parts stockpiled already paid for from speeding fines. Tax payer's money isn't used to finance the operation, not one penny & has nothing to do with politics as it is run by local authorities not central government.
Thanks to Adriano for supplying the info requested - here is an example;
Le recenti modifiche al codice della strada, introduzione della patente a punti, sono scaturite anche dai dati sulle condizioni della mobilità e della sicurezza stradale nel nostro paese. Negli ultimi dieci anni si è visto aumentare il parco dei veicoli fino a superare i 44 milioni, di contro sul fronte della sicurezza e dei costi sociali, si è assistito ad una lieve crescita del numero dei sinistri da 235.142 del 2001 a
so get yourself some translation software you got proof now you want a translation as well ha ha ha ha "serves you right" for being so arrogant but seriously using models from other countries is a good way to improve our own country i could start a forum of my own on road safety from a different veiwpoint ..metrication of road signs ..eg why are bridge heights still recorded in old imperial measures ? bash bang boom foreign driver takes the top off his truck/bus/camper ha ha ha
a good police officer would want to improve road safety not just punish people with no improvement in driver attitude im not answering you anymore because you have already decided you are a superior being and your right about everything .i have exposed your clap trap as the waffel it is .the entire phoney speed camera culture is just an industry and has nothing to do with safety or the rule of law.good police officers distance themselves from this culture in favour of common sense policing
its for a court to decide the punishment in this country you sir wish to be judge and jury ... do you want justice or revenge? a lot of companys dont employ a driver with six points and with the new regulations that can be just one or two mistakes in 4 years .
lolygaggle said "it puts all the nutters back on the road" knowing full well that if someone is guilty of a serious motoring offence such as dangerous driving or drink driving they get banned. a point recovery system could be made only available to people who have commited minor offences there are already offence codes for this ie sp30 sp70
i have sent you proof by email over the past three days ..hard evidence to back up what im saying the results of surveys and statistics you know i cant publish the links on here because you tube wont allow that
You ignore that many points are acquired from offences other than speeding. To start cleaning licences of points puts all the nutters back on the road just because they a) have the money and b) can satisfy an examiner just like they did during their initial test.
You keep on about 'proof' that speed cameras contribute to road safety - I have never said they do other than at static sites.
Where is the proof that Italian driving has improved as a direct result of points removal?
its the sanctions im on about cant you get that through your skull or perhaps you have not developed past the preadolescent phase ? i have sent you links by email and all the poof you require im not answering you anymore because you have no constructive suggestions to resolve the current shortcomings in the system people will get back on the road anyway with the current system ...but with a worse attitude a distain for authority and a hatred of the rule of law
lollygaggle said "meaningless directionless complaining just for the sake of it"
clearly you think that authority can justify any type of policy without taking into consideration the sentiments of the people....thats undemocratic you might remember that no authority is valid unless it has the support of the people
you on the other hand would say serves them right they should stick to the limit....fine i agree people should stick to the limit but those poor mortals who are not super human like you can make mistakes .losing ones job is not justice thats repression of people
whatever you might think the vast majority of people think that this type of enforcement is WRONG a fairer system is needed that improves safety and does not hurt people ie losing your job because you got six points(a lot of companys dont insure people over six points) losing a job for 1 or 2 mistakes over the course of 3 years is really unfair ..
Your 'camera dummys' comment just about sums up your understanding of what is.
People who work in speed enforcement are simply doing a job to pay the bills & survive. It does not mean they agree with any or all the associated minutiae.
Speed cameras do a 24hour job in specific locations with collision histories, something a human employee could not. Try to remember that the police have NOTHING to do with Gatsos, they get no money from fines, Gatsos are operated by a different organsition.
its called humour something that i think you lack .with this type of enforcement a sense of humour is required clearly you agree with these policies and anyway every other posting with the words speed camera on it you are there ready to jump on people if you dislike their veiws ..this type of enforcement is questionable to say the least and you know it is thats why you are so defensive
somehow i find it difficult to give credence to someone who works with and therefore profits from these devices...how can someone of this nature hold an objective view ?..dont like what im saying? its called democracy .ha ha ha ha\ ha
On the contrary, I find your views highlight the complete ignorance that most have about static speed cameras.
They are not there to lower the national casualty figures (usually quoted at 7%) - they are there to reduce speed in very specific areas where accidents have previously taken place.
I note no-one tackles the issue of dummy cameras and the fact that the offence threshold is set so high - the old selective response card and meaningless ranting based on pub talk.
How do you think Speedchoice is funded? There are many people who work in speed enforcement - how are their wages paid? Each Gatso costs £50k - this is found every time one is burned.
rather than paying £50000 for gatso cameras would it not be better to employ police officers? ie 50000=2 police officers. fines are needed to fund camera enforcement that pays for cameras that pays for camera enforcement blah blah blah ..see a patern emerging here? this type of enforcement has not improved road safety .i dont go to pubs as a matter of fact i have not entered a pub for many years moreover i have not had a drink for two months so who is spouting meaningless rubbish now then?
speed cameras exist to justify that the government is doing something about road safety when in actual fact they are not doing anthing useful these devices have not made the roads safer
frank garrat is a fucking kok smoker!!!!!!!!!
jogonjon 3 years ago
Frank Butcher is fab!
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Homophobia is as bad as racism.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Do you have a homoerotic pornography collection?
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
chill out,u obviously take it up the shitpipe
jogonjon 3 years ago
Thanks for replying jogon, however, can you elaborate somewhat, my knowledge of americanisms is not what it could be.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
ivejust been looking through previous comments and u think u run this page dont u,cuz u have been bangin on 4 ages,hopefully u will understand this YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE,I hope you try to diss me to make me look stupid and uninterlectual becouse I am..oh yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh boooodie>>>>>>>>> KERNOW
jogonjon 3 years ago
Dear Mr Kernow
To have sufficient influence to manipulate you to spend time reviewing my previous comments is accolade enough.
I have no wish to make you look any more unintelligible or incoherent than you already appear.
Good luck with your english studies.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
fuck u
jogonjon 3 years ago
A well thought through and lucid response.
I think everyone will agree, it sums up your literary, linguistic and academic level superbly.
Make you try '..to look stupid and uninterlectual',?
My assistance is not required.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Box say-"Me no wanty fucky the joggy persony!"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Fountainbleau is the one who handed his jizz-drenched clothes to Good Will.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
Is Will a friend of your's who specialises in wearing articles of apparel adorned with semen?
He must love your castoffs.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Again?
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
Box say-"Me likey sticky the goggle on top of the xmas tree likey a big fairoes"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Box say-"jogggy is a moggy...ha he ha!! Go play with march's tickly tackly!"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
McFatBoyPhat is only misunderstood. ALLAH be with us all in this time of need.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
Box likes spinney....
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
You are sweating butter for sure.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
Box no sweaty the butty-even after the squattoes with Platzy (goldy sparrow)-4567,000 sets withy 1,000 pundowes and "the drama"!
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
"Is that the trees a rustling, or the 'inges of the gate or .......?"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
The concept of bottles of milk with gold coloured tops taking on the form of spectres, is really quite odd.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Benny Hill isn't it!? All that patting small bald men on the head and the Emberg!! MARVELLOUS!
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
The numbers of speed cameras being damaged have fallen dramatically in the past twelve months. Safety Camera Partnerships reported that there has been an 82% reduction overall in vandalised static cameras such as the Gatso.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Is that the Chauffer I hear in the beginning?
Sing blue silver.
Tim4Shows 3 years ago
Are Blue Silver a band from the eighties?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Box say;"Does impress0 do the princy charly"?
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Box say-"oh Micksey you so finey you so finey you blow me mindy....me have a hotty blanket for when coldy...putty on if Tardis comey round for the tea and bickies"!
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Get your self and infa red transmitter to blanket rays!
chat2mickey 3 years ago 3
Box say-"no likey the sheddy poundos-like the shreddo weetabixy"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Box say-"If the Grazy Coxy has the poor eyes-getty down to "SpockSovers"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Box say-Crotcho smelly old should takey up the gamiori like the Roberty Harbin man....paper foldy...pretty girly in background watchy the Harbin man foldy...Harbo get a stiff peni!"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Dear Box,
Thank you for interest in "Shedding Pounds", but I must inform you that Graham Coxon isn't the "Chair-man".
Graham Coxon was the guitarist in a popular "Brit-pop" band called "Blur" and then went on to do his own thing, releasing songs such as "Freaking Out".
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
Box say-"Bruce Willy make good film....Die Hard 3....TANK"!
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Box ask-is corpusy delectable likey a new dishy made by top cooky Bert Ramso?"
Fountainbleau 3 years ago
Dear Box,
Thank you for you gift request. However, I regretfully have to inform you that Corpus Delicti isn't around at the moment and therefore cannot accept gifts at this moment in time. Unfortunately, the Police don't bring him to Court anymore and it appears to reduce their ability to gain footing. Indeed, their Standing looks very "ify"!
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
You misunderstand;
You typed;
'(not that I'm implying that he/she is because to do so would be slander on my part),'
So as it is written, this would be libel. For it to be slander, you would have to say it.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Ahh, yes, that's right. "Libel" is in print and "Slander" is oral. Thanks for the correction of that error.
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
visit `birmingham speed`check clips of denny174,view clips 7 and 8 and see a SHOCKING revelation of cameras which makes their evidence in court unreliable.
denny174 3 years ago
What evidence is unreliable? GATSO's are only type approved to be rear facing, the lines on the road will clearly illustrate the speed of any vehicle within its capture zone. Just because the flash fires does NOT in itself constitute the offence.
What evidence is there to say any drivers have been wrongly sent NIP's?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
I was a Japanese solider in the 2nd World War. One evening, I was moving operations deep in the enermy stations were upon I met a fellow solider going the other way. We exchanged addresses and over the years we became good friends. However, I have not heard from him in over 40 yrs. Should I try and find him or were we just "Two Nips that passed in the night"?
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
Friends,these corrupt activities may be coming to an end.The West Midlands Partnership is in complete shambles, the Chief Constable Sir Paul Scott-Lee is resigning by May 2009,his partnership founder Andrew Pearce has alrady left(for a private speed related organisation),spokesperson p.c Sweet has taken early retirement.See some of the SCAM on YouTube search "Birmingham Speed".It`s all been a SCAM involving the Police,the Courts,and the DfT,with Serco hiding the FAULTS.Bye,bye scammers.
denny174 3 years ago
How exactly do SERCO hide the 'faults'? They turn up & replace broken kit when it is reported - but 'hide' faults = HOW?
The days of speed enforcement have only just begun. Wait until average speed technology really takes off on every motorway, the ANPR based detection system also checking tax, insurance & MOT, all with no flash.
You'll soon look back longingly at the days when you could see the nice big yellow box on a stick ahead, could slow down as you passed & then speed off again.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Take no notice of denny174's completely baseless waffle. Obviously somebody with an axe to grind just making stuff up to appear sensationalist for the sake of it.
Many times denny has been challenged to back 'facts' up, but nothing whatsoever forthcoming. More than likely a prosecuted speeder with a flea in his ear.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
So, if Denny is in fact a "prosecuted speeder" (not that I'm implying that he/she is because to do so would be slander on my part), whom was or would be the "complaining party"?
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
Surely you mean 'libel' as it is written? However, there is nothing defamatory in such an view. Denny is the complaining party.
As you are japanese, anata wa nihongin desu ka wakarimasu
lollygaggle 3 years ago
No, I mean "complaining party" as it is written, also known as "corpus delicti\body of the case". Who would be the "corpus delicti" against Denny? It can't be Denny because that would mean that Denny is complaining about his own actions.
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
Understand what? =D
OldSmellyCrotch 3 years ago
Everyone should network together and then all go out and in one night everyone should destroy a speed camera each. We could get rid of the whole bastard network of the fucking things and the government wouldn't be able to afford to replace them all. Fucking police are money grabbing bastards who don't deal with real crime, instead they just persecute motorists. The only ones that did do their job properly are the ones that shot that de menezes guy.
ashc241185 3 years ago
You are wholly misinformed. Police have nothing whatsoever to do with static speed cameras, they equally do not receive one penny piece from the fining process.
The government do not equally finance replacement cameras, motorists do - when a camera is damaged, mobile enforcers go out on overtime & prosecute large numbers of drivers to make up the cost of new equipment. The more cameras destroyed, the more prosecutions take place.
The system will not allow itself to be compromised.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
I am not misinformed at all. The police do recieve major income from fixed camera fines and they have damn well admitted they do, which is why everyone is always suspicious when one is placed where it appears not to be needed.
It's also ridiculous to suggest that the whole network could be replaced if it were destroyed, especially in a recession. It would take years, or perhaps the government would get the message that they're unwanted. I'd send every driver a radar jammer too if I could.
ashc241185 3 years ago
Static cameras are managed by SERCO who have a facility that comprises a warehouse in every safety camera partnership area. Each facility carries enough pre-purchased 'stock' to replace every camera twice over in that area, much like a parts department that supplies the motor industry.
The reason Swindon opted out is because the revenue collected goes directly to the government.
The above clip refers to mobile cameras which radar jammers would not help in way.
Do more homework.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Do you know what a radar jammer does? It jams lasers and radar signals shot at it by mobile speed detection units. That's specifically what they're for you idiot. The guns that the "speed enforcers" use come up with an error message if you have on placed behind your number plate. Automatic garage door openers do the same thing.
I know revenue doesn't go directly to the police, it'd due dillegence, but they do recieve a large percentage of it back from the government.
ashc241185 3 years ago
Also, the camera's would just have to be destroyed again until the time and cost of paying people to replace them was too much, and the government got it through their thick ignorant skulls that the motorist has had enough of being persecuted and won't put up with it any longer. Just like the Dutch!
Who the fuck are you anyway, Richard bastard Brunstrom? The only people that argue for speed cameras are those with a vested interest in them, everyone else thinks their unnecessary money traps.
ashc241185 3 years ago
Radar jammers supposedly jam radar & laser jammers supposedly jam lasers. They are highly unreliable - the error message you refer to is 'error 7' - but Tele Traffic came up with a software workaround & jammers are now easily countered.
Fortunately, today's society consists of a bunch of people who live very isolated lives & the concept of somehow uniting them to all go out on the same night & wollop every camera is more likely in the Land Of Narnia.
Until then, cameras stay out there.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Well you're right about it being very difficult to organize, but I hope someone tries it.
ashc241185 3 years ago
Well, Capt Gatso attempted to rally national public support, however it all gently died.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
I've never heard of him, so I would imagine if he'd have had better funding and publicity he might have got a bit further.
ashc241185 3 years ago
Easily Googled - the most famous anti-camera activist there is.
His identity is not known.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Civilian camera operators are trained to a much higher standard than any police officer. Training lasts weeks & includes Lastec video operation which police don't use, plus everything a civilian does is recorded & can be viewed back, Police are merely handed the LTI 20.20., told to look through the sight/pull the trigger, that is their training. There is then nothing that proves you were speeding other than the coppers word. From my experience, enforcement is not done if signs are not visible.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Weather does not impact LTI operation other than severe moisture levels slightly reducing range as a lock cannot be obtained, it does not alter accuracy. There is no directive that limits use in bad weather.
Every single day the camera processing unit is asked to produce calib certs & are acutely aware of when they are up for replacement, to allow one to lapse makes no operational sense.
Why would a braking car rear-end the car in front?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
The biggest problem with speed cameras is that it's quite often the case that people don't even know they've been had. Hence they carry on hurtling down the road and knock someone down. camera ineffective.
I'm all for road safety but I hate people who play pig ignorant when clearly they are revenue for the Gov. Some sites just take the biscuit and are dangerous.
I had a car smashed up because some1 spotted a camera late. it was rear shunt + buckled the chassis of my audi quattro!!!!!!
petrolhead2226 3 years ago
speed scameras revanue collectors
evilbreebles 3 years ago
What exactly is the 'scam' being perpetrated?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
and who the hell are you saddo
evilbreebles 3 years ago
Someone asking a pertinent question - questions usually culminating in a question mark.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
WHY is it so important to you
evilbreebles 3 years ago
It?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
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evilbreebles 3 years ago
My question was most clear, what is the 'scam'? You however duck and dive, hiding behind semantic chicanery avoiding the key issues, then collapse in nonsensical and meaningless laughter.
That's cool.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
My question was most clear, what is the 'scam'? You however duck and dive, hiding behind semantic chicanery avoiding the key issues, then collapse in nonsensical and meaningless laughter.
That's cool.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
im laughing at you and the system you represent if the system. which you adore so much. actually did something constructive and got this country in shape.
evilbreebles 3 years ago
Adore the system? I don't - I am merely pointing out that damaging static speed cameras impacts working families far more than it reduces speeding fines.
Speed cameras exist, average speed technology is set to become very big despite Gatso's being burnt & the publicity regarding Swindon. It is not going to go away, it is growing in size & capability.
You can laugh, you can cry, it matters not one iota to me nor the legal system.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Adore the system? I don't ya dig - I am telling ya that damaging static speed cameras impacts working families far more than it reduces speeding fines.
Speed cameras exist, average speed technology is set to become very big despite Gatso's being burnt & the publicity regarding Swindon nd Durham nd that york place aye. It is not going to go away, it is growing in size & capability like terminators.
You can laugh, you can cry, it matters not one iota to me nor the legal system which is pro.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
Terminators grow in size? This is simply self-defeating as their biggest advantage is to blend in and not be noticed - really big terminators would kinda like stand out making their existence instantly known.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Terminators grow in size? This is simply self-defeating as their biggest advantage is there ability to see in the dark - terminators with bad vision would be a problem. Im telling you thunderbirds is where it's at. Bring it on!
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
I would never use '...there ability to see in the dark' as possession dictates 'their'.
You can tell the imitation here due to the tarnished metal.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
I would never use '...there ability to see in the dark' as possession dictates 'their'. Such noob like mistakes only showing my true abilitys.
You can tell the imitation here due to the rust in the eyes. Not long left before your all beaten.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
INNIT BOOYAKA SHANK
evilbreebles 3 years ago
i personally dont give a toss . they can burn a hundred of these a day . its all down to the greedy goverment. its their way of saying intraducing these and other such petty laws . so we have to pay for the work shy and the immorgrants . and you support this .
evilbreebles 3 years ago
You say we pay for these "immorgrants", and do i support this.
Well... as a matter of fact i do support it, being an "immorgrant" myself. The money is much needed for my internet connection to allow me to fill forums and message boards with my love for speed cameras.
Lollygoggle 3 years ago
i may sound immature when i say this but...
I FUCKING HATE SPEED CAMERAS!!
true they reduce speed in needed areas but to put a camera on a quarter mile straight road( near my house) with no hazards is ridiculous.
royshootingnikon 3 years ago
Near your house? You mean the 1/4 mile road is in a built up area? = hazards.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
no its like in the country,
royshootingnikon 3 years ago
Then it is positioned to identify drivers who choose speeds way in excess of the posted limit.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
you take peoples views too seriously.
am inot allowed to have an opinion on why i think its abit wrong to put a camera in an pointless place rather than outside a school or pedestrian area?
or is what you say goes and thats it?
royshootingnikon 3 years ago
You are entitled to any opinion you choose, but you have posted it here, so must expect a response.
Cameras are placed on fast A roads away from houses where the RTA mortality rate is high. It would be impractical to have a few cameras just in built-up areas, there has to be an ongoing presence to serve as a reminder that high end speeding will not be tolerated & is socially unacceptable. Speeding is evident everywhere, so why is this 'abit wrong' exactly? Be specific.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
i have lived in the area all my life, it is a safe road,about a quarter mile length,as far as i know there hasnt been any crashes that i have heard of,my friend lives a couple of yards from this camera and has told me of one accident there that he knows of.
In my town i think there are alot more high risk places this camera should be placed such as a national speed limit into a residentail area,rather than on a normal road with no serious hazards.thats my opinion, and thats how i feel about it.
royshootingnikon 3 years ago
But you said the stretch of road is 'in the country' - isn't it 60mph?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
yes it is, but all im sayin is i think it should be put in an area wich i personally think would be more apropriate.
thats all.
leave it now please ure making me tired.
its my opinion and ive expressed it.
thanks.
royshootingnikon 3 years ago
ok lets not damage any more scameras,,,,,until there is 1000,000 of em then we,ll all be safe, road deaths will be at 0,,no one will speed,,and driving a potentialy fast vehicle will be ,fun,fun,fun ,, sounds like a great place,,,,,,not
tonyboysax 3 years ago
Static speed cameras like Gatso's are a drop in the ocean compared to what is coming with average speed technology. Within 5 years every M & A road will be networked to monitor every vehicle and work out its average speed.
You can drive vehicles that are potentially very quick, but if you do exceed the posted limit, you can count on points and a fine.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
In answer to Frank Garratt... CRAP!!!
telecasterluva666 3 years ago
Was Frank Garratt Billy The Kid's friend?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
ahh lolly(wannabe policman)gaggly,,,are you still waffling on about how you love speed cameras,,,hahahaa,,i can imagine your comfy little world,where everything is filmed,,and we just take whatever the authorities throw at us,,good boy lolly,,your a star,,i have a question for you,,do you drive a car,,or a motorbike ?
tonyboysax 3 years ago
Nowhere have I stated I love speed cameras. However, the average road user has little to no clue how the organisation is structured, or what mechanisms are brought into play when a camera is damaged. The system will not allow itself to be compromised, damage a camera & you screw the average road user, it is that simple. Your approach is highly flawed, if no-one triggered speed cameras, there would be no income & the thing would cease to function. Damaging cameras just makes it all much worse.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
put them somewhere that is accident prone because of speeders...but to put them somewhere that isnt very pedestrianised and where doing 67 instead of 60mph wouldnt harm anyone is just to make money. u must work in this area...and guessing at the bad reactions u get on youtube u probly get a bit of abuse in real life lol. u have no argument wen 99% of the british public dont agree with u...the other 1% r the police themselves.
KeVbUzZ 3 years ago
I'm cool with your response, total avoidance & rhetoric is your ONLY real option given you are backed into a corner. The issue of dummy cameras = ignored, the issue of signage placement = ignored. The residents of countless community concern sites desperate for speed enforcement issues, who actively make tea & food for mobile speed enforcement teams!
Your logic, & your information isn't just flawed it is totally inaccurate, based upon hearsay waffle.
Come back after much more research.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
I would also highlight the error with 'where doing 67 instead of 60mph wouldnt harm anyone is just to make money'.
You will not be be prosecuted for 67mph in a 60 zone. ACPO Guidelines allow 10%+2, meaning the absolute base threshold before a NIP is issued will be 66+2 = 68mph. In fact most SCP's would ramp that up to 70mph.
Again your info is more than flakey.
Try again, perhaps pentatonic scales are taking up too much of your time? Less arpeggios, more research
1/10.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Virtually every road traffic accident is the result of speed, othwerwise each driver would stop safely before the collision took place.
Speed cameras aren't designed to stop accidents, more that when one happens, the resulting injury/damage is greatly reduced. It is unrealistic to expect a few camera sprinkled about to stop all accidents.
Hence, 'It's 30 for a reason' acknowledges children/people will be hit by vehicles, but when they are, the risk of death is dramatically reduced.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Do you whore every video related to speeding & cameras? Move to North Wales you'll be in heaven... assuming you're not there already.
R1L0CI 3 years ago
I am in no way religious, so don't understand the analogy. Is this something to do with angels or sheep?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
not all road accidents are speed related. and its quite well known speed cameras or mobile camera vans are often placed in specific places to catch people out and make that particular police force more money. and another well known fact is the survey that was carried out which proved that wen there was a big increase in cameras in britain...road traffic accidents also increased. could be coincidence..but still massively contradicts ur theory.
KeVbUzZ 3 years ago
she starts off by saying you should aim at the number plate, then they talk about "slip factor" from when aiming at the side of a car? I don't really understand the point if this surely it is common sense that if the "gun" is waved around all over the place then the reading will be inaccurate? Surely there are enough arguements out there against speed cameras that hold mroe water than this?
dan101uk 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Okay, can you supply a list of the 'arguments against speed cameras'?
Don't make the list too long, remember you are limited with the amount of words you can use. So let's have just a list of six points of the arguments against speed cameras.
Over to you.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
1. 90% of the time the policeman using it is under trained.
2. 30% of the time the cameras are not calibrated.
3. weather conditions affect the reading (rain, fog and EVEN heavy winds)
4. a speed camera must be placed within 400 meters of a sign. (mobile vans are often NOT within this distance)
5. the camera must be visible by driver from a minimum of 300 meters (many footman cameras or mobile van cameras are partially hidden.
thats 5...i think that enuff argument to shut u up.
KeVbUzZ 3 years ago 2
1. 90%? Verifiable source please? Most camera operators are civilians, NOT police.
2. 30%? Source of this claim?
3. Weather itself does not influence laser based technology.
4. 400 metres = wrong. It's within 1 Km of the housing (in the UK), but this is based upon guidelines, NOT legislation. You don't legally even have to have signs.
5. Source?
Of course, cameras are placed to impact the maximum number of speeders, why put them somewhere where they would do no good?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
1. 90%? Verifiable source please? Most camera operators are civilians, NOT police. THEN THEY'RE NOT TRAINED ARE THEY.
2. 30%? Source of this claim? GOOGLE IT
3. Weather itself does not influence laser based technology. LASER RANGE IS REDUCED AND USER ARE ADVISED NOT TO NFORCE IN BAD ROAD CONDITIONS
petrolhead2226 3 years ago
4. 400 metres = wrong. It's within 1 Km of the housing (in the UK), but this is based upon guidelines, NOT legislation. You don't legally even have to have signs. JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT LEGISLATION, ITS SOCIALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
5. Source?
Of course, cameras are placed to impact the maximum number of speeders, why put them somewhere where they would do no good? IF THEY'RE NOT TRIGGERED EUREKA IT'S DONE IT'S JOB!!!!
petrolhead2226 3 years ago
Okay, that's cutter kicked into touch with his bizarre unsubstantiated claims.
What workable alternatives are there to speed cameras? Ones that would not dramatically increase taxes and throw the country into chaos whilst they are implemented/constructed?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
i got done by a mobile van and never heard anything else of it. it happens approx 50% of the time. speed cameras create around £112 million a year. £92 million is spent of the system thats 20 million profit approx. still healthy, imagine if they increased accuricy, jesus.
p.s lollygagger etc, dont post back, i dont care.
cutterschoicenotmine 3 years ago
'i got done by a mobile van and never heard anything else of it. it happens approx 50% of the time.'
How do you know you got 'done', if you received no NIP?
Approx 50%?
The source for this rash claim please?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
'handheld gun dont cant correctly'? Did you type that incorrectly? Perhaps the lights were off?
Complete rubbish - the LTI 20/20 is an infra-red laser that works perfectly under any lighting conditions. The accompanying video camera lens just needs the aperture opening up and you have a stonking combination at any time of day. No additional lighting required - motor vehicles have their own at night which do the job adequately.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Lolly are you still spouting rubbish AGAIN? you are both right, the infra red beam DOES NOT need a flash to obtain a reading BUT the resulting picture OF ANY KIND at night DOES need a light source. The camera at night requires infra red settings, filters and a infra red flash which DOES NOT blind the oncoming driver.Lolly take note that the vehicle usually has its lights ON at night so this has to be counteracted to light up the plate! You really do have a boring little exsistance don't you!
impress069 3 years ago
Thanks for responding, but I have no clue what you are replying to exactly? If you refer to low light Gatso use, the conventional daylight balanced flash (@5,400K) is used for the daylight balanced 35mm film, there is no infra-red flash whatsoever or 'filters' as it is RADAR based - not infra-red.
The mobile LTI 20.20 needs no flash either, the target vehicle's lights often being the only light source needed to record using the attached Sony video camera = no flash.
More research needed. 2/10.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
impress069 has legged it, but I miss those off-the-wall, way-off-base comments that are plucked from the ether and totally incorrect.
A great pity, impy was such huge value for money.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
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Speed enforcement is out well before that in my area. I have seen them at 06:20.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Where do you live, Greenland? Surely it just makes more sense to simply drive sensibly and travel at any time?
It begins to get light currently in the UK at @ 04:10, but with an open aperture on the LTI 20/20's camera, you can use it under normal streetlit conditions through the night. In the darker months, there are no problems where there are streetlights.
Mobile enforcement vehicles routinely out at 05:00, starting work on location at 06:00.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
The above clip is old and misleading;
The majority of mobile enforcement is now done by civilians & everything videotaped so it is physically impossible to hand-hold the equipment as there is a heavy video camera & video monitor attached to the side of the laser unit. This is totally different to that used by regular police - all equipment therefore HAS to be tripod mounted.
You can't use the equipment incorrectly, any discrepency is highlighted on video tape & it wouldn't get to court.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
Just like pointing a loaded gun at someone, this video clearly shows you how not to use a speed camera. That said, it avoids the fact that once trained, a competent operator will record offences with 100% accuracy, avoiding positioning their vehicle in a location that might incorrectly record speeds.
All offences recorded by Safecam staff are recorded onto video tape and used in court, so there is no question of how the evidence of speeding was acquired.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
brains is a good nickname for you....
Thank you for the accolade, but I am not here for flattery, merely to promote thought.
Can someone detail exactly what it is that people do not like about speed cameras? The point is continually made that they are resented, by why, what precisely is the problem? Only the guilty finance the industry, they are not paid for out of taxes, you only have to slow down for a few yards - so what exactly is the moan about??
lollygaggle 3 years ago
brains is a good nickname for you clearly you believe yourself to be an authority on everything instead of the nothing you really are...now you trying to tell us that you are an authority on the english language ...do you have a degree in english?ha ha ha ha pathetic sad really sad
Adriano9966 3 years ago
The last time I watched Thunderbirds was about 1971 - I love the way you adopt a sidestepping policy to avoid the real issues. Because I remember something from years ago, doesn't mean I just saw it.
Seems I am not the only one who saw you as being female - all your incessant banter about cowardice et al, is so very feminine. Your whole literary style is 'womanly'. Many women can't grasp the 'I before E, except after C' rule - and that is you all over.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
so why you talking about thunderbirds then brains...? i have not avoided no issues at all which? my wife thinks its really funny that you think a certain way of writing is womanly lets see could that be some kind of bigotry? correct grammer is not neccesary on you tube its the meaning that counts. i shall talk about road safety ..you just keep talking about thunderbirds....ok brains
Adriano9966 3 years ago 3
keep talking about thunderbirds
Adriano9966 3 years ago 2
mr lollygaggle(or shall we call him brains instead?) in my opinion does not care about road safety hes just bored thats why he launches into attacks on people that have a different veiwpoint from his..its actually quite sad ..civil? ...what utter rubbish
Adriano9966 3 years ago 3
so here we have it days of serious debate reduced to a chat about thunderbirds
Adriano9966 3 years ago
don't see lolly saying he watches Tbirds now, just you are easily toyed with and hes right, you say you have left then he drops bait in the water and you go for it. i do agree that you come across as being a woman your posts are very girly also seems you are the one throwin insults, lolly has been very civil youve sworn and thrown all kinds of stuff, seems you have struggled
peace
thereisnoothertroy 3 years ago
yes whatever i dont know what you mean about girly ..mr lollygaggle (what does lollygaggle mean exactly?)...i find to be a provocative nasty snide and bigoted individual and if someone attacks me for no other reason than having a different point of view from theirs then its only natural that i should retaliate i have not stuggled in the slightest im past caring now whats the point of talking about the serious issue of road safty with someone who still watches thunderbirds
Adriano9966 3 years ago
so tell us lollygaggle(lowers voice) do you drink drench?
Adriano9966 3 years ago 2
so now that your out of ideas you have started talking about thunderbirds that explains a lot......
Adriano9966 3 years ago
how on earth are people supposed to give credence to a 50 year old man who still watches the thunderbirdshow?you really need help ..sad
Adriano9966 3 years ago
In the original series of Thunderbirds, every move was planned, choreographed, puppeteers pulling the strings attached to the little artificial limbs. However, none of the figures moved with any finesse or conviction, just an odd, stiff, robotic, predictable gait.
Quote;
'my very last comment on here farewell'
Ah, those strings...........
lollygaggle 3 years ago
are you brain dead???
Adriano9966 3 years ago
you cant provoke people like that SIR when you cant win an argument... you resort to mindless insults ..is that the type of person who should be in authority?...i think not. now if you dont mind i have much better things to do than make you feel more important than you actually are
Adriano9966 3 years ago
proof that lollygaggleis point scoring trying to make himself look good .... nobody gives a damn what you think
Adriano9966 3 years ago
Perhaps the foreign driver with no roof should have got some conversion software (imperial to metric) before attempting to drive in a different country?
Well, that all worked out very nicely, knew she couldn't stand the pace.
Farewell.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
lollygaggle is showing what type of intellect he has access to here..i am male.. perhaps you was hoping im a she..sorry to disappoint you anyway im not point scoring like you ..my points are serious and constructive backed up by facts and statistics you have nothing but clap trap to offer so i take it you dont believe in modernisation of our country your just a sad little nothing locked in the past a yesterdays person
Adriano9966 3 years ago
conclusive proof that lollygaggle is a bigot
Adriano9966 3 years ago
gosh lolly gaggle, you really have nothing sweet to talk about, its awesome to know that we have rights to dispute speeding tickets out there, its the police who think they are the gods on the roads, I'm grateful for this video, I will forever dispute any speeding ticket I have may have in the future given this knowledge & its laughable how you quote from thunderbirds. :P
Sheiya1990 3 years ago
'police think they are gods on the roads'? The police have nothing to do with static or mobile enforcement, it is all run by civilians.
The above video shows incorrect usage of LTI equipment, but used as it should be, there is 100% accuracy backed up by video evidence.
You are free to plead not guilty to ANY charge or summons, I am surprised you assign it to just road traffic offences
I have never quoted anything from Thunderbirds.
It is good to know you are in awe of the legal system.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
STOP
FUCKING
POSTING, you fucking cunt.
INTERNETRACECAR 3 years ago
If only life was that easy, a few choice expletives and all your problems just go away. Unfortunately, it isn't like that as you can see - would a cuddle help?
Thanks for thinking of me though, it's cool to know you can get to someone just by pressing a few keys on a keyboard.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
It is that simple. Now I dont have to call you a cunt. Thank you Internetracecar :) On another note. Ask ANY POLICE Officer & he will tell you there is no such thing as "100% Accuracy" with a laser system. There are many things on the road it can reflect off of. Including reflective material on different cars driving around. Its very accurate, around 90%. Also, Notice how you have Thumbs down on all your comments LMAO! My God Woman I havent seen a bigger loser than you since highschool.
sn1zzo 3 years ago
I am guessing you are a colonist from your general comments. Life is very different here in the UK, when a camera is damaged, it is simply replaced from stock, there is no 'public hearing' & the money recouped by increasing mobile enforcement. No-one is fired.
An experienced and dedicated LTI operator will avoid using the equipment anywhere & in conditions that might generate erroneous readings. Good training helps.
I am unable to comment on your signage issues and have no bananas.
lollygaggle 3 years ago 3
Im in the USA, so if you're telling me that you guys don't have public hearings in your township so that the residents have a say so in what happens in their own neighborhood, then I feel very sorry for you. Here in America the government has to listen to the People and give them what they want (or at least close to it) Or people get Fired. We dont put up with that shit. I guess that explains why we dont have these stupid cameras over here lol
sn1zzo 3 years ago 2
You typed;
'If they decided to use £200k of tax payers money, then believe somebody is getting FIRED That day. Do you know anything about politics?'
Tax payer's money isn't used to replace damaged cameras here in the UK, there are Gatso parts stockpiled already paid for from speeding fines. Tax payer's money isn't used to finance the operation, not one penny & has nothing to do with politics as it is run by local authorities not central government.
Do some research then come back.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
so much for lollygaggle britains formost expert on safe driving ha ha ha ha my very last comment on here farewell
Adriano9966 3 years ago
Thanks to Adriano for supplying the info requested - here is an example;
Le recenti modifiche al codice della strada, introduzione della patente a punti, sono scaturite anche dai dati sulle condizioni della mobilità e della sicurezza stradale nel nostro paese. Negli ultimi dieci anni si è visto aumentare il parco dei veicoli fino a superare i 44 milioni, di contro sul fronte della sicurezza e dei costi sociali, si è assistito ad una lieve crescita del numero dei sinistri da 235.142 del 2001 a
lollygaggle 3 years ago
so get yourself some translation software you got proof now you want a translation as well ha ha ha ha "serves you right" for being so arrogant but seriously using models from other countries is a good way to improve our own country i could start a forum of my own on road safety from a different veiwpoint ..metrication of road signs ..eg why are bridge heights still recorded in old imperial measures ? bash bang boom foreign driver takes the top off his truck/bus/camper ha ha ha
Adriano9966 3 years ago
a good police officer would want to improve road safety not just punish people with no improvement in driver attitude im not answering you anymore because you have already decided you are a superior being and your right about everything .i have exposed your clap trap as the waffel it is .the entire phoney speed camera culture is just an industry and has nothing to do with safety or the rule of law.good police officers distance themselves from this culture in favour of common sense policing
Adriano9966 3 years ago
its for a court to decide the punishment in this country you sir wish to be judge and jury ... do you want justice or revenge? a lot of companys dont employ a driver with six points and with the new regulations that can be just one or two mistakes in 4 years .
Adriano9966 3 years ago
lolygaggle said "it puts all the nutters back on the road" knowing full well that if someone is guilty of a serious motoring offence such as dangerous driving or drink driving they get banned. a point recovery system could be made only available to people who have commited minor offences there are already offence codes for this ie sp30 sp70
Adriano9966 3 years ago
i have sent you proof by email over the past three days ..hard evidence to back up what im saying the results of surveys and statistics you know i cant publish the links on here because you tube wont allow that
Adriano9966 3 years ago
You ignore that many points are acquired from offences other than speeding. To start cleaning licences of points puts all the nutters back on the road just because they a) have the money and b) can satisfy an examiner just like they did during their initial test.
You keep on about 'proof' that speed cameras contribute to road safety - I have never said they do other than at static sites.
Where is the proof that Italian driving has improved as a direct result of points removal?
lollygaggle 3 years ago
its the sanctions im on about cant you get that through your skull or perhaps you have not developed past the preadolescent phase ? i have sent you links by email and all the poof you require im not answering you anymore because you have no constructive suggestions to resolve the current shortcomings in the system people will get back on the road anyway with the current system ...but with a worse attitude a distain for authority and a hatred of the rule of law
Adriano9966 3 years ago
lollygaggle said "meaningless directionless complaining just for the sake of it"
clearly you think that authority can justify any type of policy without taking into consideration the sentiments of the people....thats undemocratic you might remember that no authority is valid unless it has the support of the people
Adriano9966 3 years ago
you on the other hand would say serves them right they should stick to the limit....fine i agree people should stick to the limit but those poor mortals who are not super human like you can make mistakes .losing ones job is not justice thats repression of people
Adriano9966 3 years ago
whatever you might think the vast majority of people think that this type of enforcement is WRONG a fairer system is needed that improves safety and does not hurt people ie losing your job because you got six points(a lot of companys dont insure people over six points) losing a job for 1 or 2 mistakes over the course of 3 years is really unfair ..
Adriano9966 3 years ago
Your 'camera dummys' comment just about sums up your understanding of what is.
People who work in speed enforcement are simply doing a job to pay the bills & survive. It does not mean they agree with any or all the associated minutiae.
Speed cameras do a 24hour job in specific locations with collision histories, something a human employee could not. Try to remember that the police have NOTHING to do with Gatsos, they get no money from fines, Gatsos are operated by a different organsition.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
its called humour something that i think you lack .with this type of enforcement a sense of humour is required clearly you agree with these policies and anyway every other posting with the words speed camera on it you are there ready to jump on people if you dislike their veiws ..this type of enforcement is questionable to say the least and you know it is thats why you are so defensive
Adriano9966 3 years ago
so the fines pay for more camera enforcement!
somehow i find it difficult to give credence to someone who works with and therefore profits from these devices...how can someone of this nature hold an objective view ?..dont like what im saying? its called democracy .ha ha ha ha\ ha
Adriano9966 3 years ago
On the contrary, I find your views highlight the complete ignorance that most have about static speed cameras.
They are not there to lower the national casualty figures (usually quoted at 7%) - they are there to reduce speed in very specific areas where accidents have previously taken place.
I note no-one tackles the issue of dummy cameras and the fact that the offence threshold is set so high - the old selective response card and meaningless ranting based on pub talk.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
How do you think Speedchoice is funded? There are many people who work in speed enforcement - how are their wages paid? Each Gatso costs £50k - this is found every time one is burned.
lollygaggle 3 years ago
rather than paying £50000 for gatso cameras would it not be better to employ police officers? ie 50000=2 police officers. fines are needed to fund camera enforcement that pays for cameras that pays for camera enforcement blah blah blah ..see a patern emerging here? this type of enforcement has not improved road safety .i dont go to pubs as a matter of fact i have not entered a pub for many years moreover i have not had a drink for two months so who is spouting meaningless rubbish now then?
Adriano9966 3 years ago
speed cameras exist to justify that the government is doing something about road safety when in actual fact they are not doing anthing useful these devices have not made the roads safer
Adriano9966 3 years ago