#239 100% HHO FEC 2004 Dodge Pickup comments

[Perfectasthis]

OMG you guys are assholes! just b/c you don't have the special knowledge to build your "NON WORKING KIT" that BOB LAZAR has. He's a nuclear physicist and worked @ area 51. he does sell his hydrogen kit. watch "Bob Lazar Hydrogen Car". please delete this video! watch his area 51 videos. the government were trying to kill him b/c he was giving out top secret info to the public. Don't try to debunk a genius!

[HHOhybridBuilder]

There is hope. HHO really does work. My HHO engine run on pure HHO. No need to prime it with rug soaked on gasoline, acetone or starting fluid. Just pure HHO.

[visionace]

fecllc dot us slash pound sign

New website for FEC...they give a brief synopsis of their tech but no specifics and they do mention a proprietary component.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@visionace New web site. Flashy graphics. Propaganda. No real information. Same old BS. Same old Freddy.

[lrover03]

@visionace Actually that site is now defunct too, reverting back to a placeholder page. Seems people are wising up to Fast Freddie's bullcrap. :))

[syyenergy7]

Interesting points. i went through that 4 hrs of stuff on Midlands radio. I think they have b.s.er's going back and forth, left & right, to confuse as much as possible. I only go with real. The CNG is some good stuff if you have natural gas. It's real, right now and an improvement right now over gasoline.

[irondmax]

freddys latest scam...late night radio... what a bunch of crap

late night in the midlands....they must have realy needed some ratings..LOL

scammers

[Itsmeeman1]

Nice to see someone trying to help his fellow man and keeping an eye out for scam artists. Thumbs up for ZFF!!!

[losttreasurehunt]

To good to be true??????????? I wonder

[h2oplasmaplug]

there figured it out



[kdkinen]

Well, only one way to settle it eh ZFF... :)

...a bunch of tubes n some circuitry... just your style :)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@kdkinen I'll pass, thanks. Go for it! 

[eloid777]

do seach for "Sea Water Car" on youtube, its a gm protype, salt car that uses, salt water to make hho, they use rf or micro waves to produce hho gass to store in fuel cell, also watch " burning sea water with radio waves" also here on youtube if someone with measuring device can measure how much hho production is produced from a micro wave set up with salt water that would be great!

[eloid777]

xxx.youtube.com/watch?v=AgWTU5­4SJbs

[eloid777]

this was the thread i seen about using a microwave oven, using slat walter to produce hho, if someone with test equipment could rigg up a old microwave oven

and measure LPM output that would be great. From the video youtube.com/watch?v=AgWTU54SJb­s starts at 53 sec gm is using the idea?

youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBg­o

[eloid777]

watch this.... Gm salt water car using hho,

youtube.com/watch?v=AgWTU54SJb­s

there was also a video showing salt water producing hho look like gm is on the same idea... try a using a micro wave and rig up test to see how many lpm can be produced I hope someone with measure equipment can try this lpm test

youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBg­o

[AndrewChan84]

I ran a carburated engine with only HHO for 3 seconds before it stalled. I guess you need a 40-60 litre/per minute HHO generation rate to fully run a car. That calls in for overunity, which can be acheive using sharp 2000V pulse @ 48KHz using IGBT high voltage transistors.

[imenhoteb]

its..dosent work whit water hho cell on cars...

it is and always vill be a scam...

[MrClevelander1]

freddies still scamming. never makes 55 lpm

hes a scammer

[1BustedMyth]

Just for general knowledge for those who do not know:

When working above 1 atmosphere with gas and fluid, you start to get absorbsion of the gas in the fluid, the higher the pressure, the more disolved gas and it can be a very large about, I'm not sure what the saturation point is. This is how Divers get the Bends, disolved Nitrogen, bubbles out of their blood when they reduce pressure by comming to the surface.

So: visual determination of HHO LPM is not accurate.

[irondmax]

freddy puts his tubes in the bucket and says it makes its own power......BS

then he says in another video..... he wraped aluminum around it......

well aluminum and koh......it will make HHO without power

scammer freddy

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@irondmax Oh no! That's FUSION! Really! It is!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

[irondmax]

@ZeroFossilFuel

aluminum

yes a little chemistry something......

over 100 years old tech.

[h2oplasmaplug]

@irondmax i dont know how to post a video responce yet i will try to figue it out but he replied me last summer saying he was using a h2 and o2 tank i posted the reply from him. and also how i figured out he was not being honest.

[richcollins513]

Hello, Richard Collins here. I just wanted to invite you to join me in my efforts of replicating the GMS from Stanley Allen Meyer Patent WO9207861. If you are interested in joining this open source effort please visit hhoinfo.ning.com and join the Meyer Research Group. Thanks.

[ReasonForemost]

@ZeroFossilFuel I really appreciate your objective, scientific and open approach. Hope you’ll soon have time to continue documenting your run time results. There's an intelligent exchange taking place between Farrah Day and Lamare at this forum: energeticforum*com/renewable-e­nergy/6235-future-energy-hydro­xy-cell.html

Their theories and discussion about Freddy’s cell really start to pickup on 9/13/10, I find it to be a very thoughtful exchange. If you’ve been following it what’s your take?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Interesting read. But I think they're missing the point why Stan used RLC. He used no electrolyte additives that would exhibit the nonlinear resistor behavior Farrah described. And Lamere is chasing his tail with parallel resonant tank circuits.

If you want current to flow through an insulating dielectric, you make it part of a SERIES RLC and let your driver self oscillate at the natural resonant freq. When electrical=acoustic, there may be some magic. That's why Stan used variable L to tune.

[MrCletushowell]

Investment does not mean you get the return it means your kids dont die in Iraq over oil

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@ke4uyp that's a very good way to state it. 143 watts for 1lpm assumes 100% eff at 7mmw. If you use 7.5mmw as the reference then 133 watts. So somewhere around 140 watts is 100%. Any less power is over unity.

[merlinspower]

@ke4uyp ... You assume facts not in evidance, and your theory is half baked.

Your math therefore is completely wrong as always.

You haven't learned a thing. And you are beyond help. You have therefore failed HHO 101. You have NO clue what a 100% efficiency oxy-hydrogen generator requires. You never have conducted ANY tests . And those ARE the facts

[sfieszaq]

How to IMPROVE HHO Cell?!

It is just MY point of view:

- PWM is basic but electrodes have to be polarized all the time too (DC). It is combined set. DC maintains ions. PWM breaks HHO.

- plates/electrodes cannot be smooth! It should work like spark gaps. On the end of spike there is much more electrons than on smooth surface.

Good luck!

SfieszaQ

[frdfreak]

its called a lovejoy joint most washing machines have them

[EletrikRidesAgain]

Your logic about the storage space is sound. At 50+ LPM, that gage would have shot up in seconds, not minutes. There is no way they are storing HHO in that plastic tank at 60PSI - it would be a death trap.

So the claims though exciting, are not substantial. I called them several times, and spoke to both with no real solid answers.

[aliendesign1]

I could be wrong I hope he gets better, I also hope their system works. however they didn't seem like they were going to continue with the auto test but want someone to DONATE a large turbine generator. No investments, unless they have no ties. This also seems odd. this was on the 23rd. of August 2010

[aliendesign1]

I think everyone is just getting excited to see the progress of all the work you have done. I spoke with Mr. Seigler on the 23rd after I returned from Prescott Arizona for other reasons. Mr. Seigler said their prototype Cracked on the 21st, he said it would have been a wasted trip. He also said he wasn't using a catalyst only water. with a broken filter housing I guess it wouldn’t work. He wasn't using a mixer (Propane system) nor did it look like he went to the fuel rails.

[h2oplasmaplug]

zero i also want you to join my team and i want to help you to definaly run your cell more efficently. i have watched your videos from the beginning of my journey. i love your work. i am trying to join all the free energy people as one so we can acutally get some stuff out there. i thought of the experiment your doing a long time ago. i know a few ways to make that work. there is more then one way to run engines on water. and what happened to the other parts of the lawn mower you took apart no 3

[h2oplasmaplug]

zero i also want you to join my team and i want to help you to definaly run your cell more efficently. i have watched your videos from the beginning of my journey. i love your work. i am trying to join all the free energy people as one so we can acutally get some stuff out there. i thought of the expariment your doing a long time ago. i know a few ways to make that work. there is more then one way to run engines on water. and what happened to the other parts of the lawn mower you took apart no 3

[h2oplasmaplug]

he said this @h2oplasmaplug well to be honest, I used a bottle of Hydrogen and a bottle of O2 set up with two flow meters. I adjusted the flow so we were getting about twice as much H2 as O2 and hooked it up to the fuel rail on the Dodge before we even started this last prototype. The truck when floored up hill 6% grade only used 24CFH or 11.33CFM max output of engine. So I don't know how or where people are getting thier math from ours is from labratory observation and messurement. Fast Freddy

[higherpoweredh2o]

Spoke to david today....hes asking for a week.....time will tell....

[probuildjohnson]

bomgaars or tractor supply has that part ur looking for, if ur still looking for it

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@probuildjohnson Tractor Supply! Forgot about those guys. Thanks!

[waterfuel]

What do you know about the patented spinning, spiral. mechanical water filter to remove minerals? (Notes from Keelynet newsletter awhile back) Seawater now potable. We need free distilled water from tap water for this new hydrogen generator .

[MrLee513]

The truth will come out soon enough I hope it is something that will help us all

[chessnyt]

@ZeroFossilFuel: I used to look up to you and believe that you were really devoted to a world free from fossil fuels. You don’t even have the dedication to go see for yourself that this is real. They have stolen your thunder and removed the purpose for your websites. I get it.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@chessnyt You people seem to forget. I am one guy, completely unfunded except for Google Adsense. If I see $20/month in donations, that's a lot. I still work a job which places high demands on my time. I am still raising a family, putting kids through college, maintaining a home, maintaining cars, struggling to find spare time to work on alternative energy projects.

SO, IF YOU DARE PRESUME TO DICTATE HOW I SHOULD SPEND MY TIME, THEN FUND MY RESEARCH SO I CAN QUIT THE DAY JOB! ELSE KISS MY ASS!

[janmarsh]

@ZeroFossilFuel  Dont even bother to reply to such crap ZERO ! You are above such garbage. What's the latest from these Herberts anyway ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@janmarsh An EBN member was in phone contact with Fred's mom. Apparently he is still hospitalized with a mystery stomach ulcer. I certainly wish him a speedy recovery.

[h2opower]

@ZeroFossilFuel Well put!

[irondmax]

if it was real .........easy to prove..........if its a scam, just dodge the bullet. like they are doing.

your alternator......needs a bigger drive pulley. just look at the front of a car engine....

thanks for your updates........you left out fast freddy says he adds stratified HC.......i think HC stands for hydrocarbons.........gasoline.

he also states his pipes are 90 drgrees out of sink.........show the circuit.....

if you whatch the amp gauge........amp run away.......

SCAM...

[h2opower]

You hit the nail right on the head with this. As with my studies on vacuum electrolysis I found out that increasing the vacuum decreases the current and increasing the pressure increases the current at which can be run through the water bath. This also increases the boiling point of the water so the water will break down more instead of boiling off as the new boiling point is 298 degree F or 145 degrees C @ 60 psi. This is the magic behind what you are seeing.

[fuelforben]

this guys looking for money.....if not they need to show what they have now.!!!!!Zero your one stright shooter .. been working on cell for 2 years my self.. ben

[higherpoweredh2o]

Still waiting......no phone call or email reply's yet....this is not good for hho in my opinion. anyone heard anything? guess i could drive to prescott and look for the truck lol

[blackroses1978]

I think you made a mistake in your mathematics here -- 1/2 cubic foot is about 13.5 liters of capacity -- 60 psi is 4.28 times atmospheric pressure (atmospheric pressure is about 14 psi) -- therefore the actual capacity is over 55 liters -- meaning it would take about 1 min to built up to 60 psi... I think...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@blackroses1978 You're right. But that still does not change the time to reach 60psi calculation into 2 liters they stated was present.

[lynel1985]

@ZeroFossilFuel I remain in 2 minds definetely havent given up the ghost on this 1 but 2 more things i wil point out. it took 30 secs to get 5psi on the gauge and that was with the feed line to the fuel rail CLOSED. That leave only the space in the cell. BUT using brute force electrolosyis would mean the cell resonates at a set frequency range that requires a certain amount of runtime to acheive. It looks liek they arent creating resonance more that their design just resonates with that setup.

[undergroundruin]

Here is a video that should enlighten everyone on the subject of making your car run on HHO

watch?v=g-KyP2i08BM

Notice that he states that it takes 15lpm just to idle the little geo metro. Lets say the pickup takes twice that amount just to idle. that's 30lpm. Now if both of these vehicles idle at 1000RPM we can simply double the 30LPM to 60LPM for 2000 RPMs. Notice in this video "watch?v=mS5Oat0ly0Q" He is traveling at the speed of 60MPH at 1600RPMs

[undergroundruin]

@undergroundruin Also notice in this video "watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE" he states 55LPM, but later into the video they admit they dont know where they are at, and that their gauge tops out. Its also important to note that they are pulling about 70 amps toward the end of the drive. So they are possibly making 70+LPM during the last part of their drive.

Im still skeptic, but I just thought this was interesting, that the numbers may be fairly close to what he is claiming

[undergroundruin]

@undergroundruin Looks like this could be possible only if he is able to break the law of thermodynamics. Which personally I think can happen. If we have smarter inventors now days than whoever made the thermodynamics law its definitely possible. I think in order to make a good invention you have to think outside some of these laws.

[reachthelight]

Thx for sharing and taking time for us to know details on your great work !

[2bigHybrid]

Hi Guys...we looked up at you even years before...Why not give them a chance to finished their live demo, with the presence of independent body..then we will know..Below the belts comments will not give us confidence and encouragement to everyone who is in this endeavor...

[MountainMonsters]

I'm with HHOPWR, Worldsmack & Justinsn95 on this one!

We have been lied to, Too many times at every level!!!

So don't blame us for being skeptical.

[justinsn95]

Future Energy Concepts: In the end, regardless of what comments you make or what you may say or do, its all going to come down to this. Will you, or will you not, let someone perform the tests that he has suggested? If not, then please get lost, you scammer. If so, then the HHO community will welcome you with open arms and we will all congratulate you on your stunning success. Either you have succeeded where everyone else has failed, or you are a scammer. Simple as that. Put up or shut up.

[worldsmack]

Well I'm calling IT!!!

This is like that BIG FAT BIG FOOT Hoax!!!

I Crossed my fingers for 4 days to long!!!

I hope to H3LL you prove me wrong!!!! =(

[NewWorldFuels]

Damn, hate when that happens "slippage" but good to get back up and running.

[Pres1FutureEnergy]

Hello. Sorry for the excitement. The night before the presentation, there was an accident, and I cracked the vessel beyond our ability to safely repair. It was a material falure, not a process failure. I contacted everyone I could and still had 2 groups arrive. While my accident caused much distress for many, and does nothing but feed those loud nay sayers; we are moving forward.

[Pres1FutureEnergy]

@Pres1FutureEnergy ...IN the next few days, we will announce our plans, and we plan on having "back up" this time. We will not be having a PUBLIC showing, but will allow certain individuals and companes to attend, so they might help us validate to all, and move the various applications to a global market. Please be patient. We are not gone. Just laying low until we are ready. Thanks. Dave S. President, FEC.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@Pres1FutureEnergy I appreciate the update.

[higherpoweredh2o]

Left a message for both fred and david... No answer or call back yet. David said there was a "crack in the vessel" on saturdays demo... His voice-mail this morning states the "Monday demo is being rescheduled, They will have date monday night or tues"

We'll see I guess... I would like to stay optimistic but my enthusiasm is starting to dwindle.... hope they call back..

[OgMandin0]

Zero, "Fast Freddie" would not permit my comments to be posted. In the video he states it is a 3 volt cell drawing 55 amps. ONLY 165 watts. So why have a separate deep cycle marine battery to power 165 watts? The regular auto battery/alternator could easily handle that load.

So, I'm guessing the marine battery starts out fully charged, so the HHO unit it will not affect the running of the engine.

[npeperformance]

your looking for a love joy coupling or you might want to try to use a permanent magnet generator they will charge as soo as they start turning not diode pack or internal regulator and does not need excitation for the field coil

[higherpoweredh2o]

they are only 2 hours from me...i will go check it out and test it... I just spoke with david and he asked to call Monday.... I will do just that.. I lived in prescott for 5 years and know of fred wells. i worked on the pto unit he was part of designing... My dad worked with him for a couple years...Its worth checking out I think. thanks for the vid...if you didnt post it i would have never seen this company.. ive been dormant on hho for months. still use it but no research.

[davematherly]

@higherpoweredh2o please reply back here I spoke to him as well, but alas, I'm in LA, CA. They're 8 or 9 hrs away. These guys appear to be real. I spoke to another well know HHO dude in FL. Also an open mind. They have been following Stan's process. Something I HAVE NOT seen many other people ever care to try. Perhaps some can't conceive of it all, perhaps funds prevent it. Maybe both. But we can't knock these guys based on the failures of others to follow Stan's work. Or understand it.

[higherpoweredh2o]

@davematherly I will post back here... I am also going to ask permission to film tests... Ive seen freds work before...Its worth checking out.....Im skeptical but you need to be. Ive reun small engines on hho and know how hard it is...ive also used stock type injectors as metering devices( not recommended but does work)... Im going in with no pre-judgement or pre-disposition... i just want to know yea or nay.120 miles is easy drive and gets me in the mountains. wish i were in LA its hot here :)

[davematherly]

@higherpoweredh2o Had you tried ionizing the HHO? It's in Stan's lectures and in his diagrams. example watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI I would expect to do the entire process in every detail may be too much for many people's budget, monetarily as well as with availability of equipment, etc I'm not sure how much most people dig to learn, I assume it varies greatly but I expect much of the skepticism comes from incomplete knowledge of the details We should be as hopeful as possible with fingers crossed :)

[higherpoweredh2o]

@davematherly no I havnt..I dont want to clog up Z's channel but i havnt yet because i am going after 1 problem at a time. My testing and research is all about why an i.c.e responds like it does when mixing hydroxy with gas or diesel. The whole resonance thing isnt something i want to start now.. I run small engines on 100% just for learning the properties of hydroxy. its a different animal. My goal is a baseline graph on how much hho diff styles of engines need to operate and why things happen

[higherpoweredh2o]

@davematherly also my research is into why the numbers dont add up... when you take per say a 10hp engine and get a baseline of how much gasoline it needs to produce x amount of power @ x rpm and then test same motor on say methanol the numbers reflect each other in how much energy was contained in the different fuels vs energy needed and wasted...hho isnt even close to those numbers. someone has to write the equation to explain the anomaly. that is my goal. eventually ill get back to work :)

[davematherly]

@higherpoweredh2o

watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI

its a quantum thing

not classical science

the ionized gas has a greater output in joules

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@higherpoweredh2o I am very much looking forward to your report. Is there anyone else with a first hand report from Saturday's demonstration?

[chessnyt]

They have done it, ZeroFossilFuel. These guys are for real. I knew that Stanley Meyer had done it as well and I was very saddened that nobody REALLY believed him until he was murdered. Let us NOT let history repeat itself for the of God. Please get behind these guys. Not in front of them.

[dex0186]

the coupling you speak of is called a lovejoy connection

[uawwildbob]

yes I agree that 60 psi for hho would way to dangerous. Thats an exlposion waiting to happin = in anything. anyone that has seen a HHO torch knows what pure HHO dose to anything. but that dont mean that ya cant run on just water. Ya have to study the way stan did it , using hho and water injectors with a plasma spark duehicky.someone will figure it out someday

[Boyntonstu]

Free Energy Misconceptions is a more suitable name for this fraud.

Z, sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and consider anything on the other side as B.S..

Laminate this for your wallet and update in 6 months.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@Boyntonstu LOL!!! Will do!

[orangedac]

our hero zero.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@orangedac I appreciate you following my channel and all but you really need to stop with that same comment over and over. No hard feelings, okay?

[orangedac]

@ZeroFossilFuel

but you are our hero.

and you are zero.

i want to be sure the world knows about it.

[fabribek]

A side note .... do you guys know of the "Rotoverter"? Sorry to digress but it is interesting technology in efficiency with electric motors. Also look for "crystal ion implosion engine".... both searchable on Youtube. .... Just sharing info....

[piwko4]

wow. 60psi in a resovior tank would be extremely dangerous.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@piwko4 There is no reservoir tank. See my video text comments.

[hhoforvolts]

Ok where is the upper cylinder lubercation coming from if the engine is indeed running a long time on HHO? Looking at the words used from FutureEnergyConcepts, it leads me to believe its all hot gas, not HHO.

Richard

[aquapulsefuel]

Future energy concepts

[lynel1985]

im skeptical of boths side haha but 2 things i want to point out in that and this video. When they hop in the cabin of the dodge there is a regulator looking item near the gas pedal against the firewall. What is that? And while they show the system startup and gas production looks minimal, they dont show it running once its been up and driven, when up to temp when all the resonant tuning frequencies would be optimal. Maybe then it makes 55LPM we just dont get to see it, it jsut starts out v.slow

[muddymuddymuddmann]

RUBBER POWER STEERING COUPLER IN THE POWER STEERING BOX. MUDDy

[shubus]

Glad of your comments on the '04 Dodge Pickup. And note that you are as skeptical as I am. And what possible business plan could they have that would allow their corporation to give the plans away free? And they are seeking investors. Just wonder how those investors would get any return on their investment. So let's be suspicious. We've all been snookered before.

[vipond50]

Love-Joy Coupling

Zero

[mysticlv1]

For Reference, it's called a "Lovejoy Couplling"

[1TEKTRON1]

Z, the coupling you seek is called a love-joy., You should be able to pick one up at a mower/saw shop they're used on hydrolics.

[BruteForcENGINEering]

where's desertphile when you need him

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@BruteForcENGINEering Laughing his ass off, no doubt.

[marthale7]

It is so hard to know who is real. I guess if it is real then make a generator power your own house with it and shut off the electricity to your house then put that money in your pocket. Good reason for red flags. But we all hope it is true.

[davematherly]

@marthale7 the individual home power plant wold be fought tooth and nail by the powers that "be". I firmly question the quality and qualification of that 'being'.

But it's a fight worth having.

It actually IS the modern fight for LIBERTY from the oligarchy.

One we must all join in - sooner or later.

And now is just as good a time as ever.

Down with OPEC.

[vox1philippines]

thankz for the update ......

i believed doing this is just an ordinary experiment in to the near future.... but to now still battle for how to run a car in water alone.... if you believe in MEYER water car, I may self ride on DINGEL's water car.... if they made it .... in the near future .... YOU and I can do it !!!

[davematherly]

@vox1philippines PSSST... they are doing it.

But Stan didn't have the nifty semi-processors of today.

Gauging the needs of the engine, regulating flow, pulsing the power, etc are all much easier - or should be.

[FutureEnergyConcepts]

Don't be a turd or we will cut you off---Just be real and honest--not upset that you did not stubble upon the secret---I used to look up to you but after seeing the little red flags in the video--not even considering the bad conditions in which we were trying to do the demo---pride---conseit---envy-­-greed---please stop---we are all working together on this--do you want to play in our sandbox or go find a new box with other turds?

Fred Wells

VicePresident

FEC

[BruteForcENGINEering]

@FutureEnergyConcepts if you are producing 55 lpm of hho why does it take 2 mins to build 5 psi

[davematherly]

@FutureEnergyConcepts we definitely need to get along, that's for sure.

As for stumbling, I stumbled on a university website a few years ago when searching Stan Meyers HHO, and there were physics grad students bantering about the joule output. Being a fan of science, I understood a bit of it.

One mentioned the need to step up the excitation of the elctron shell two steps by ionizing twice, then showed the calculus for it.

He had a link to a Meyers lecture I viewed, I thought I saved it...?

[2bigHybrid]

@FutureEnergyConcepts

With respect to your team Mr. Fred. For years we also looked up to ZeroFF. This is not a competition..Any comment that is not beneficial or could jeopardize the progress of this project of it's own perception, own learning and without concrete basis should be removed. First thing is, they must visit your site, do the detailed test, then comment.....As you said, this is free for the public to replicate but building one for us is definitely with cost...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@FutureEnergyConcepts Okay, there, Freddie. You want to silence the skeptics, myself included? Let one of my people pull and ground two spark plug wires while your truck is "running on 100% HHO" and test your exhaust for the presence of unburned gasoline, or maybe even propane. If your device is legitimate, you should have no objection to accepting this challenge.

Your move.

[davematherly]

@ZeroFossilFuel

have you tried ionizing your gas and following this rationale ?

watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@FutureEnergyConcepts ... Besides, with the written open invitation you have on your channel to poke fun at your video, you should have no cause to complain. I'm just pointing out the obvious and helping others to be asking the right questions.

Like I say in the video - If you have done it, bravo! I mean that sincerely. But if you haven't, you will get nailed to a tree for it.

[abaddon1112]

@FutureEnergyConcepts what a professional demeanor for a vice president of a company! Your pleasant attitude and excellent spelling and grammar are inspiring.

[YiuTeub]

@FutureEnergyConcepts No need to call people turds. That is extremely unprofessional. Nay sayers are everywhere and those people are usually critical thinkers and into some form of science.

[janmarsh]

@FutureEnergyConcepts Too harsh a reply Fred. Lets get clear cut confirmation from an independant source. I do so want you guys to have managed it.

[HHOPWR]

@FutureEnergyConcepts Just what are you going to cut Zero off from. From what I know he is not a scam artist like you are. Cutting him off from scams will make him happy Fasr Freddy. You suck. People like you piss me off. Trying to take money from an obvious scam hurts everyone really trying to help. Video's like yours could set good honest folks back years. Again I repeat. YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, If I STUBBLE on to sonething like you have I will just shave!!!!!

Larry

[undergroundruin]

@HHOPWR Wow, and I really thought you were a cool guy. I think your judging him a little too quickly.

About the red flags: Sorry but they are not convincing. Im still taking the standpoint that this truck running on HHO is probably a hoax, but I really did not find your red flags all that convincing.

[HHOPWR]

@undergroundruin Sorry if I sound rude here but here are the facts. Hydrogen at under 4% is not even flammable. The engine in the truck is a 4.7 L V8. That means 2.35 L air is taken in each revolution. At normal idle (700 RPM) that is 1645 L Air taken in. That would require 65.8 L Hydrogen to even ignite let alone provide enough power to overcome the friction and heat losses. He is claiming 55 LPM HHO or 36.7 LPM Hydrogen. It would not even ignite. He is a liar and full of shit. I hate Liars!!!

[undergroundruin]

@HHOPWR I see where your coming from. I cant really see it happening either. I do have a little hope that all us skeptics are wrong though.

[h2oplasmaplug]

@HHOPWR Look at the video i posted below also ff account is now disabled. Hummmmmm. I wonder why.

[Cloxxki]

Thanks so much for your comment Z, I greatly appreciate your input as a down to earth experimenter dan webcaster.

If they are fr real, which I'll assume because I don't like being sceptic, I do expect them to knowingly or unknowingly, perform a trick on the water or gas involving ions. A bit like the (claimed to "work") ANTON cell from Germany, which is supposed to net more combustion power. The OU is from more easily reaching the higher energy state, at less cost than gain. If only true...WOW!

[davematherly]

@Cloxxki

I never heard about the German version

But I do recall reading about it on a university bulletin board with physics students hypothesizing about increasing the joules by ionizing.

They had a link to Meyers explaining this in a small lecture, appeared to be in his garage. I know I saved that, but know not where. Perhaps the laptop?



[Cloxxki]

@davematherly

over unity . com is one of the main web homes for the German project. They seem to be further in distributing the cells, but less in running vehicle on water. 40 seconds self runner video shown, raises some doubts.

[Rawbush]

Think its called a love joy?

[mrnewagemotor]

LOVEJOY COUPLER - at McMaster-Carr no account needed or Grainger only if you have an account. You can get them at any electric motor shop too. If you know about BERRY BEARING - which is now MOTION INDUSTRIES - over on 39th and Cicero just north of I 55 expressway in Chicago - they can outfit your EVERY industrial needs. It's only 4 miles away from MidWay Airport. Roll Z - get it done !

[lrover03]

I watched that video and it looks like the big tank is just a water storage tank. The output appears to go directly to the dryer under the hood. This was according to the pics on their not-quite-finished website. If they're running this directly into the fuel rail (which is what they're doing according to the pics) and through the existing injectors, this could be really exciting stuff. The limited info on the site hints at a Stan Myers type configuration. I'll be watching these guys. :))

[dmdingman]

One other point, I suggested that they produce a video taped, certified 5 gas analyzer test , and join the IHHOI and have their design tested as low cost ways to gain credibility and rebut some of the critics. I was told that they are going to do this. Since they are trying to protect their business (understandable) perhaps they only want to share these results with serious investors.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@dmdingman They won't. See my other comment to you.

[davematherly]

@ZeroFossilFuel Just spoke to Seigler. HE IS IONIZING THE GAS. Increasing the combustive output to that of OCTANE. I have posted several times, never noticed any replies to my comment. Something like ionizing the gas has a QUANTUM effect. Not classical mechanics, but amping up the individual atom's combustive properties. He also mentioned they are separating the HH to H. Free hydrogen is FAR better that 2 H atoms bonded together. But what do I know? <:^|

[FutureEnergyConcepts]

@davematherly you got it my friend! The holy grail of HHO Thank you!!!

[FutureEnergyConcepts]

@ZeroFossilFuel wanna bet?

[SleepingGiantsSister]

Are you hitting the water with an A/C current or a D/C current? I don't know much about cars, but I've seen hydrogen produced with A/C and D/C and you can get way better results for production with 3 seconds of D/C current than a minute on A/C. Plus the water still holds alot of electricity in it, are you able to draw off of that as well?

[dmdingman]

I just spoke with Fred Wells, and although his concepts would be better understood by someone with an engineering background, someone like Zero, I did ask him about where he was storing the HHO. The large white plastic tank is for water storage only. The HHO is compressed in the electrolyzer and the length of 3/8" ID hose from the Cell to the Fuel Rails. Fred's tel# is 928-239-4280. He was quite open and friendly. They are looking for investors. If interested call David Siegler 928-899-8878

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@dmdingman Well, if that's true, then they are completely F.O.S. At 50 LPM, with that little space to store in, it would take only a second or two to get to 20 or more psi.

My enthusiasm just fizzled.

[davematherly]

@ZeroFossilFuel

I wonder if they're doing the ionizing process.

HHO ionized in one step has considerable more combustion output.

Ionize it again, and the joules beat the combustive output of octane.

the ionizing dies quickly, and must be done on the way to combustion.

[FutureEnergyConcepts]

@ZeroFossilFuel we had over 2 liters of space because of removing 1 liter for testing and most of the rest leaked out while we were building pressure, for the little comment in the video as we were motoring home on just what was left in the cell, because there was no more electrolite left in the vessel, and the pressure was dropping like a bomb

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@FutureEnergyConcepts There are so many contradictions in this one statement alone I don't even know where to begin.

[swompwalker]

@FutureEnergyConcepts What liquid are you using? Urine is good -very good

[1420truthseeker]

Martin Industrial Supply will have anything you need in couplings, should be one in your area.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

@1420truthseeker Tnx but I'm in CT, not AL, MS or TN.

[davematherly]

@ZeroFossilFuel

which means you should be able to order it and not pay State taxes.

win win

[TK42138]

Great video.

I'm also looking forward to seeing proper tests carried out on this HHO fuelled 2004 Dodge Pickup. I'm keeping an open mind although it's trying to fight a losing battle against Faraday's Law Of Electrolysis. I hope this is the breakthrough everyones been waiting for...

[matrixm777]

Thanks for the update Zero...