As a wealthy person, with my ADDITIONAL wealth for this year I was able to afford another mansion, new private jet, another villa in Europe, major investments in more stocks & bonds, apartments & other properties for speculation, one professional sports team, a Bentley for my son, & a shitload of diamonds & jewellery plus a new Porsche for the wife.
But you got a new TV so what the hell are you complaining about? You're better off in "real terms" aren't you?
you guys have to to shut up! How can we have jobs when nobody is hiring? I have a Master's degree in Computer Security, and still nothing. I have been applying here , applying there. come on now, stop with the lies.
GET THIS:our government failed us with the recession. The recession wasn't a surprise, there were problems before it as the result of the removal of regulations, put in after the Great Depression. Explanation :youtube.com / watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wK1MOMKZ8BI
Another good reason for OWS is that hard work pays less than it ever did before in US history while company CO's make record profits. While much of the world has universal health care, we don't. Our schools are defiantly NOT 1# (as with many other of our programs), thanks to our budget, half of which goes to a military which spends an absurd amount, 8.5 times as much as, China, the 2nd biggest spender.Please check out these graphs: flickr.com/photos/cascadia. /sets/72157608158945302/detail/
the US spends military money on weapons, which we will most probably never possibly need to fight against anyone (exactly like it were still the Cold War) while our country suffers at home. The Cold War bankrupted the USSR, that's why it was a victory for us. Will our spending bankrupt us? Our government military spending is way beyond our means, all the $ is being borrowed. Also the whole US economy is largely build of the oppression of the poor. We hold third-world countries in debt (contin)
(contin) they can't realistically pay off anytime soon. With them owning us debt, we make them agree to allow colonial-style sweat-shop labor businesses to come in their countries.These industries work against healthy local economies, keeping these countries in poverty, unexcapable (without a revolt.) When people revolt/ try to unionize, we send in the CIA, or, in Latin A., leave it to SOA/WHISC trained death squads. Watch "The End of Poverty" free on Youtube. It is time for a REVOLT in the US
Only in the bizzaro world of Republican ideology or the Fox bubble will you see anyone trying to defend more tax cuts for the rich, huge taxpayer subsidies to GE, big oil, and mega profitable agribusiness corporations, and in the next breath complain about the deficit and want to cut benefits to seniors, the sick & the poor.
@HoldingOnToLiberty US census: the long-term trend has been toward increasing income inequality. Since 1969, the share of aggregate household income controlled by the lowest income quintile has decreased from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent in 1997, while the share to the highest quintile increased from 43.0% to 49.4%. Most noticeably, the share of income controlled by the top 5% of households has increased from 16.6% to 21.7%.
Socialists and Communists are who organized Loserpalosa. They have been planning this for months. Steven Lerner of the SEIU stated this was going to happen months ago.
The biggest, greediest and most corrupt capitalist around, George Soros is funding Loserpalosa. How do you think that "Occupy Wall Street Journal" got printed and showed up at the protests on day one? The fleabaggers at Loserpalosa are all being played. They are, as Josef Stalin said, just "useful idiots".
Occupiers are a cacophony of wayward malcontents. This is due to their lack of focus and priority from within a culture distracted and stupefied via a detached view of reality by-way-of technology coupled with incomplete thought patterns (sound bite disease).
@HoldingOnToLiberty using science NOT SCIENTISTS but science " the scientific method " to arrive at decision i REPEAT NOBODY MAKES DECISION BUT we use the scientific method to arrive at decision...AND WHY? well because sicence works ...you say that you want to make your own decisions? but what when your decisions are bad for everuybody else? bad for the planet ? YOU KNOW HUMANs CAN BE VERY irrational LIKE WE SEE with YOU...thats why arriveng at decisions in better than just to make them
omg look this video with name " Occupy Wall Street [FORMAL OFFICIAL DEMANDS] " this will destroy the sick capitalist free market metally ill system...people will no more tke the crap from rich suckups and the sheeps who defend thiss idiots liek some users here with there comments ....all your free market will be gone...ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahyahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
about getting a jobe Occupiers .....look this video.....hmmmm it seems there are people who Occupier and have jobes like this Dr.....omg you free market retards see the world is waking up and your La La land will be soon over ....people dont let mess with them and there planet no more...ahahahah...look video with name... Dr. Gabor Mate @Occupy Wall Street explains the link Between Financial Crisis & Mental Illness
Issue with the "get a job" rant - it sounds good, but you've already given the reasons business aren't hiring. I think rather than "get a job" maybe the battle cry should be "get informed" - they should be diligently researching where the jobs went and what's really happened instead of attacking the only economic and governmental system that will save them - their stupid answer it too often "we just haven't applied enough communism yet."
Why am I still subscribed to this channel? "Socialist front group spawning chaos on a global scale?" Is that a joke? You just attach the word "socialist" to something and then disregard it as evil. "You've been given everything you're entire lives" Okay and that makes it wrong to stand up for others who weren't born into a wealthy family? And before you go out can call the protesters socialists/communists, take a look at Wall Street themselves and their bailout money
To be fair, with Obama in office, there are no jobs left... and I suppose if you wanted to protest the President, Wall Street WOULD be a good place to do it.
I am all for Occupy Wall Street. I hate the crooked greedy corporations and banksters in this country who are supported by the wealthy elite. If unions can return the standard of living in this country with decent wages and benefits than more power to them.
@looknfortruth I believe my eyes are open. I believe in the constitution and limited Gov. These guys are just looking for a hand out, and even more things given to them. They feel they are entitled to a job and all kinds of benifits without earning it. Bill is fantastic. Get A Job You Worthless Hipster Douch Bags. Should be what we all tell these guys.
@ejfurniture im sorry but you are the cause of the problems in america,you only believe what fox news tells you.iv been following this from it began and the majority are wanting the fed and their puppets(our gov) held accountable for driving us under and outsourcing manufacturing.they are calling for more jobs for american people,so how can you not put your pride to the side and join your fellow citizens in calling for a better future for the country?
@looknfortruth How can I be the problem? I want to return to the Old America where people were free to pursue their dreams without government interference. Do you really think that a Henry Ford would be able to build a car in his garage and then develop an assembly line to build it efficiently in today's America. There is absolutely no way. This country became great not because the gov. was large and controlling but because it was small and stayed out of peoples business.
@ejfurniture youre missing my point,youre the problem because you believe the reteric from propagandists.the two party is system doesnt work when both sides members are all part of the same societies and are working for the same agenda.
@looknfortruth No, I believe in what the founding fathers have said. I then look for people who as close as possible hold to those view points. I can't stand liberal republicans. They fit into that 2 party system you spoke of. As TEA Party people we through a bunch out and elected better people. That is the American way. By the way, I don't watch Fox much, but I definetly don't watch msnbc. I stay away from the reteric (lies) from the left as much as possible.
@looknfortruth (Continuation of last post) Speeking of propaganda. The Ocupy wall street people come from the bigest propaganda machine in history, the public schools. They spent 12 years and then another 4 in colege, learing how to hate America and it's history. And now their martching on wall street saying down with evil corperations. Yea, they have a lot of credibility.
@nadadreamer couldnt agree more,its about we all behaved like rational adults and joined together,iv been watchn pj for a while now and theyre like kids'my party is better than yours'.just an internet version of fox news.
Arab spring = after decades of absolutly no freedom and crack downs from govt. The people get sick and overthrow the govts. America spring= Bunch of burn out college kids complaining that govt dosnt have enough controll and demand that the govt take even more controll.
this is exactly the reason america will never change,until people realise 'together'we can make a change,while fighting with each other we only prolong the raping of the average citizen:(
Guaranteed living wage income, regardless of employment; single payer healthcare system; "restoration of living wage" (meaning ending free trade, raising minimum wage); free college education; an end to fossil fuels; 1 trillion spent on infrastructure; 1 trillion spent on environmental restoration; racial and gender equality legislation; open the borders to all; election reform; complete debt forgiveness; ban credit reporting agencies; unionize everything:
@thelion2430 Wow, you express yourself so well! I mean that was such an articulate and deep response. Thank you for giving everyone the benefit of your wisdom.
@koyunbaba73 sure thanks... because reading your comment we all know your wisdom....i mean to list there demands and then write in the end " idiots " is SOO MUTCH FULL WITH valid claims and points ...i mean dude you are the smartest guy around:D you are like this retards in this video...with there logical fallacies...so PISS OFF stupid
@thelion2430 How old are you? Because I hope this isn't a mature person I'm dealing with here. "Idiots" was the logical conclusion that anyone past 3rd grade would come to after reading THEIR list of demands. To a normal person, 'idiots' was unnecessary. I wrote 'idiots' for those who are lacking reading skills or common sense. You want wisdom? Here you go: Grown men are too busy providing for their families to protest aimlessly over illusionary injustices. They need to grow up and so do you.
@koyunbaba73 " illusionary injustices. "dude i think you have delusions that the world is ok :D and you talk about jobs ok go and give all who have no jobs jobs...i would like to see that .give them education because not all have rich cock sucking suckup parents or friends who help...you are a moron..the USA system is so stupid we in europe laugh at you :D i would say this people in this video should get real jobs not some shit like that.. and you should grow up...your dream world is over :)
@koyunbaba73 was the bank bailout illusionary injustices.?? you are a retard go get fucking help i told you... come to my channel look my video with name " Capitalism, free market, monetary system is for pycopaths " then you know ....taht you are a retard who needs mental help you fucking anti human asshole :D
@thelion2430 If you can explain to me how the bank bailout was symptomatic of unchecked capitalism, then I will buy you some prozac.
And for everyone else who may be reading this dialogue, the person I am engaging with is a typical incoherent, vulgar, and hysterical Leftist. If we cannot out-debate these people or expose them for the half-wits that they are, then we deserve to lose in 2012.
@koyunbaba73 we talked about injustices you retard your claim was " Grown men are too busy providing for their families to protest aimlessly over illusionary injustices " i just made an example about injustices and named the "bank bailout" you retard..and about capitalism i have videos come to my channel retard :D and turning to everyone else and insulting me with your shit shows how afraid you are ....you will never win a debate against people who know what really matters ...you retard :D
@thelion2430 Well now let's see: In your latest post you called me a "retard" 4 times. And I'm the one who's afraid? I haven't attacked you personally, not because I don't think you're an idiot, but because I'm not interested in you. I'm interested in preserving American principles. I want you to keep posting though. The more people see that your side is only capable of calling names, the sooner they'll realize that you don't have anything of worth to offer them. This is good! Let's keep going!
@koyunbaba73 ok now lets see your last claim " The more people see that your side is only capable of calling names, the sooner they'll realize that you don't have anything of worth to offer them." lets underline " only capable of calling names " ARE YOU RETARDED ? because i did not JUST call you names moron :) .i refuted your " illusionary injustices "claim because there is injustices and i asked to solve the jobe problem and i have not seen one repsond to that so you have nothing worth to say
@thelion2430 It is difficult to give a coherent response to an incoherent question. If you are actually sincere about dealing with an issue, then you will compose yourself and present your question/challenge rationally and without hostility. Personally, I don't care if you would like to do that or if you want to keep presenting yourself in such a juvenile manner. I've enjoyed watching you spin your wheels.
@LordSparkisvati ...When left wing types see something as a problem they want the state to save them from it. Right wing types believe in personal liberty and want to manage their own lives.
When the state becomes all powerful, the citizens are reduced to the status of serfs in a feudal society. The social elite become the new barons. This is a case of the road to Hell being paved with good intentions.
@LordSparkisvati I'm an atheist Minarchist Libertarian who's against the war on drugs. I'm right wing both economically and socially. Live and let live. I believe in keeping the beast of government as small as possible!
Religious fundamentalists tend to be right wing economically, but control freaks socially.
The left are control freaks economically and socially, unless it concerns deviant sexuality or drugs.
Why should a highly qualified, highly educated professional accept a job at Taco bell?
as early as 20 years ago, a kid could make a living with just High school diploma working manufacturing. Nowadays, those jobs are gone. YOU didn't have to deal with this Economy, YOU wasn't a college graduate working at Burger King, so why do you expect us to?
@Gendo3s2k So do you think other people should work in these jobs, and pay taxes, to support the "highly qualified, highly educated professional" in their idleness? Sometimes life sucks, but you are responsible for making your own way in life and paying your own bills. There are plenty of people in this world who have it far worse than you do. You're displaying rampant narcissism in your comment!
Whats sad is that the Occupy wall street morons are treated alot more lovingly in the MSM than the Tea Party ever were. I swear the first tea party rally back in 2009 was treated like it was a gathering of al queda leaders or something.
@SAOrules That's because the MSM shares the same left wing political agenda as these fools. The economy in the West would be in much better shape if governments weren't taxing and regulating the productive sector of the economy into oblivion!
@dannydebonis There are plenty of jobs out there. These people are just not willing to get a job that doesn't live up to their high unrealistic requirements. Their dream job is probably where they get paid a high salary given benefits and part ownership of the company and in return they basically sit on their ass all day doing nothing beneficial. You know like what they are doing at these protests.
@Sirynx77 Really? Is that why unemployment has been so high in recent years? Because millions of Americans decided they just want to sit on their ass?
@dannydebonis In those millions you talk about there are two groups. One group is willing to take take any job possible. The problem is that they are probably all applying to the same jobs. Hence, the chances for someone to get them goes to the same numbers of winning a jackpot. But that wont stop them from taking any job, even those that will only last for a day. The other group is the one that I have mentioned in my previous post. Yes the conditions are hard, but that is not an excuse.
Every hour these occupiers occupy Wall Street they only hurt themselves. Every hour they lose at least $7.25 that could go into their pockets. 15000 protestors since September 17, 14 work days, 8 hours minimum, equates to $812 lost per person minimum, $12,180,000 that has not gone into the economy, which means the economy is out $12.18 million b/c of these protests, minimum. The protesters are hurting themselves and the economy. But since none study economics, they have no idea...
The Tea Party ALL knew why they were protesting. Loser college student drones following a handful of Communists have absolutely no idea why they are out there.
Well...some do. Some are anti-Semitic bigots protesting Jews.
@HoldingOnToLiberty so because the fedral reserve is run and owned by jews now we cant protest them incase we labeled anti semitic.?we cant mention obama incase we are labeled racist,you guys are fkn barmy
@looknfortruth Who bloody cares if the Federal Reserve is ran by Jews or not. The problem is NOT the ethnic make up of the Federal Reserve, the real problem is the existence of the Federal Reserve.
Since when do communists ever get called racist for mentioning Obama? Every time the Tea Party questions any of Obama's stupid spending policies we get called racist. The Tea Party exists because of destructive economic policy and NOT the color of anyone's skin.
@lockwoodisafaggot You're ignorance of the facts are staggering. Have you ever been to a Tea Party event? Have you ever talked to someone who has been in the Tea Party. Do you even know what the Tea Party stands for. It was crystal clear to EVERYONE involved what the Tea Party was about. They wouldn't have shown up if they didn't know why they were there. Stop being a blithering idiot and pay attention.
@HoldingOnToLiberty the fact you said EVERYONE is what i find sad/hilarious . yeah there's people sincerely angry about the state of affairs teh US is in. There are also a lot of uninformed idiots talking about 'god' and love-it-or-leave -it bullshit.. A casual search on youtube will turn up both.
@lockwoodisafaggot Dude, I've been to several Tea Party events. What you see on YouTube can easily be skewed. Trust me on this. There was one driving central theme to the Tea Party, it was it's reason to exist from the beginning and that is high taxes and destructive fiscal policy. What people said on YouTube was in addition to that. The Tea Party attracted a huge diversity of opinions with one central theme. The Tea Party consists of Democrats, Republicans Libertarians, Ayn Rand heads etc
@lockwoodisafaggot If Bush and then Obama hadn't spent us into oblivion, if the economy hadn't tanked, if unemployment hadn't shot up to 9+%, there would absolutely never had been a Tea Party. There wouldn't have been a need for it. It is what got a huge segment of the population who have never done anything like that in their lives to get up out of their houses and go stand on street corners with signs.
@rp1dmc If Jews actually do run everything, how does that affect your live? Are you less free? Are they forcing you to convert? I'm not Jewish but I really don't care if Jews run everything, run a few things or run nothing at all.
Some banks are greedy, some are not. Lumping them all together is a bit unfair to the honest bankers and the protestors never make that distinction. But the bigger problem is communism, that is far far worse then greed.
@rp1dmc The real problem is that these protestors are calling all businesses greedy in hopes that the government will take over private business. That is evil because by and large most business owners are decent honest hard working people.
What they miss is government greed and communism is one of the greediest systems ever devised. People's entire work effort is to support a handful of oligarchs who own everything. Those that don't work are exterminated.
@HoldingOnToLiberty and another capitalist puppet " most business owners are decent honest hard working people." where is the evidence for this claim?do you know "most business owners"in the world? stop you idiotic claims that you cant possibly know and this shit about govermment and communism gets boring. you capitalist assholes have nothing more to say?60 years the same shit over and over again and you are the product of this brainwashing..i can turn the words around against capitalism too
@thelion2430 "and another capitalist puppet " most business owners are decent honest hard working people." where is the evidence for this claim?" Where is your evidence to the contrary? Do YOU know most business owners in the world?
Actually is has been more like 100 years, not 60. It is when the Progressive era started. Back when turds like you worshiped the ground that Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler walked on and then when WWII happened you guys shut up about it real fast.
@HoldingOnToLiberty well ever heard a term called " Burden of proof " meybe you google it...then you know that i dont need to provide evidence...BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO MAKES THE CLAIM has the borden....you made the calim so you need to show that it is true...stupid :D...and pls stop this stalin hitler etc talk it gets boring ..i have never worshiped any president any political ideology any political philosopher etc...back to the evidence talk..you made the claim so show us evidence FOR IT
@thelion2430 The proof is in the free market. Granted our market is a far cry from free today because of you Progressives. But in a Free Market economy businesses would be compelled to be honest because if they weren't no one would buy from them. What distorts the free market is when Progressives make deals with business a take away the fear of failure. Those businesses tend to become corrupt.
@HoldingOnToLiberty the proof that MOST BUSINESS OWNERS ARE HONEST is the free market? this is Non sequitur (logic) GO LOOK UP WHAT THIS MEANS?..and now see your argument " But in a Free Market economy businesses would be compelled to be honest because if they weren't no one would buy from them. " i have to ask ARE YOU INSANE ?? again you use Non sequitur (logic)...it seems the free market and capitalism defense is 100% based on Non sequitur (logic) and logical fallacies.
@thelion2430 I seriously think you need to get acquainted with logic. You seem to not understand basic logic. Because that is exactly how the Free Market has been working before all of this government hand out and bail out crap. There are always going to be a handful of get rich quick idiots that are only in it for the short term but they do not represent the majority.
Read Thomas Sowell, Milton Freedman, F.A. Hayak, Ludwig Von Mises, etc. Maybe then you might figure it out.
@HoldingOnToLiberty i throw the words back at you about LOGIC. the free market defence is based on Non sequitur(logic)and to blame the state goes broing too. want know what would happen when there would be no state controll? ever heard a term called " Monopoly" and i give you a nice video where is discraibed what a free market would be without Government. look video called "Peter Joseph Refutes The Free Market" i like the part "Monkeys running around screaming, throwing feces!"
@thelion2430 Are monopolies a problem? How long does a monopoly last? No business can corner the market without outside help (ie the government). In the late 1800's a bunch of businessmen got together to make the government step in so they could raise prices. The government said they could not because it was unconstitutional. But the business's did it anyway. This created a bunch of new start ups that offer better quality and lower prices. This pissed these bigger businesses off.
@HoldingOnToLiberty i told you to look the video with name " Peter Joseph Refutes The Free Market " then you hear why a FREE MARKET IS INSANITY...I HAVE A VIDEO WHY CAPITALISM IS FOR MENATLLY ILL PEOPLE .....PLS LOOK THIS TOO video name " Capitalism, free market, monetary system is for pycopaths " PLS duuuuude...look it up i cant explain to you how crazy you are ...you need to hear this from this videos how FUCKED UP A FREE MARKET AND CAPITALISM IS...pls duuuuude face your INSANITY
@thelion2430 I just wasted 2:48 minutes listening to that Peter Joseph nitwit insult the concept of the free market. There was no economic theory, no facts. It was all conjecture based on opinion. Apparently he knows who Milton Freedman is but I doubt he has ever read anything he has written.
I know in even a limited gov't there can never truly be a free market. Once the idea of taxation is introduced the market is not longer free.
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude :d PJ has given lectures...HE HAS SHOWN STUDIES AND FACTS FROM SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH...the free market is scinetificly an unhealthy system....THE REASON I JUST wanted to show the short clip...was that i hoped you would realize what a free market would be if you have no laws no state controll..you moron....it would be a battlefield...i really dont know in waht LA LA land you live BUT USE YOUR BRAIN ...think about " NO LAWS " NO RESPONSIBILITY " it would be a nightmare
@thelion2430 PJ has studies and I have historical fact. If the free market would be a battlefield then why didn't this country tear itself apart prior to the Progressive era when government started passing unconstitutional regulations on private businesses?
Why? I really want to know. The freer the market the freer the people. You are trying to make slaves of us all.
Then why don't you move somewhere with a much freer market? Like Indonesia or Columbia for example.
I'm sure you'll love it when all those regulations are gone from businesses and you're working 100+ hours a week in criminally dangerous working conditions and barely making enough money to feed your family two shitty meals a day. Oh and if that wasn't enough, the factory might cut costs by dumping thousands of gallons of toxic waste into your local water supply.
@yeebuddeh1 Because I want to put my country back to together after the nightmare you twits have made of it.
Where in the world did you ever get the idea that I was opposed to laws. If a business contaminates anything they have a responsibility to make recompense and to cease. We all have a moral and a legal responsibility to not cause harm to each other.
Oh and someone should tell that to Obama who allows his buddies at GE to get away with murder and not pay taxes.
I never said you were opposed to laws, I was just pointing out your asertion that "the freer the market the freer the people" is completey false.
I know GE is one of the worst offenders. Where did you get the idea that I support Obama? Because I really don't. The man promised change and turned out to be just another whore to banks, unions and corporations just like all the rest.
@yeebuddeh1 I still stand by my statement that the "freer the market the freer the people". You should notice that I said that "We all have a moral and legal responsibility..." We as individual or we as corporations (groups of individuals) share that responsibility.
I believe in as much freedom for the individual as possible but we cannot escape the consequences of our actions. But the laws imposed on business in the last 100 years is way above and beyond sanity.
Yes, we all have a responsibility, but look at any 3rd world country where our companies go and it's easy to see exactly happens when you take the chains off big business. 100+ hour work weeks for less than a dollar a day, child labor, hazardous working conditions, no benefits, etc.
Please give me specific examples of these insane laws imposed on business, the years they were implemented and exactly why you believe it was a mistake.
@yeebuddeh1 We were never like those 3rd world countries. Most of them are dictatorships and none of them have even close to the freedom we have. That is why they are 3rd world. Individual freedom gives the poorest a chance to rise out of poverty. None of the 3rd world countries allow that kind of freedom.
The worst abusers of people rights ALWAYS are communist or socialist countries.
@yeebuddeh1 Obama is a Marxist. He is not just in bed with some of those large corporations, he seeks to take them over and control them. He's already tried with the banks, auto industry and insurance companies. His latest push is to spend more money without congressional approval. That is a clear violation of the Constitution.
The man is a dictator and must be thrown out of office in 2012 before he destroys the country.
A Marxist??? You've got to be kidding me. Do you even understand what that word means?
So giving the banks, auto industry and AIG a LOAN that they've paid back is Obama trying to "take them over and control them"?
And yes it's wrong for the President to do something without Congressional approval, but it's nothing new. Obama's not the 1st to do it nor will he be the last.
@yeebuddeh1 Yes I understand Marxism. I've studied it for several years. Not all of the banks have paid back the loans, most have but Geitner created all sorts of obstacles to hinder repayment. GM has not fully paid back the loan. I am not sure about Chrysler because Fiat bought them recently. At the time Obama took controlling interest in GM and Chrysler he appointed a "car czar".
He is now working on a bill to create a gov't heath care program as a next step in Obamacare
@HoldingOnToLiberty now again comes the Non sequitur (logic)...what has a free market to do with freedom?...just because free market has the word free you make connection that this means freedom for all ?? dude i really think you have problems in using your brai...n the conclusions you draw does not follow from its premises...a classic Non sequitur....i again try to appeal to yoru brain...if you have NO LAWS, NO STATE CONTROLL about free market...ANYTHING " BAD "CAN BE DONE...get it moron?
@thelion2430 "now again comes the Non sequitur (logic)...what has a free market to do with freedom" Do you even know what the market is? It's people. People engaged in exchanging goods and/or services. When you put limits on the market you put limits on people.
Whenever you call something a "non-sequiter" it just means you don't understand it.
When did I ever say I didn't want laws? We needs some laws to punish those who harm others, or trash cities protesting without a clear message.
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude i think you are really confused in your thinking way....i mean its like talking to a christian who makes idiotic claims about reality and then when people tell him that this claim is a logical fallacy, this is Non sequitur (logic), this is a claim without evidence...then the stupid believer claims that well you say this just because you dont uderstand i am right and you are wrong....thats how you try to justify your FUKING WORNG LOGIC AND CLAIMS...but ok i refute them
@thelion2430 I have shown you logic up one side and down another. You just don't get it. You are bereft of reason and rational thought.
Then you go on a rampage against Christians. Why? I know a ton of Christians that are so much more intelligent than you so I wouldn't be disparaging Christians if I were you.
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude :D i think now you dream up that you have said something of value against me ....NO ...the only thing you do ....is making logical fallacies...Non sequitur (logic)...empty claims.....and just claims that are simply wrong .....i mean you take some drugs ?? pls dude get mental help you are insane :D
@HoldingOnToLiberty a free market doesnt equal freedom ....freedom has many meanings...second you say that people are free in a free market ? free of what, debt ? i dont think so ? free from capitalists who destroy there planet ? i dont think so...etc etc...so shut up with this freedom talk ...YOU JUST imagine IT :d..AND about your claim " When you put limits on the market you put limits on people." NO you just put limits on CAPITALIST RETARDS who are blinded by greed .
@thelion2430 "free of what, debt ? " Is that all your pea brain can think of. I am free from debt. I don't owe anyone a dime. There are lots of people who live their lives free from debt.
"capitalists who destroy there planet" Have you taken a look at China lately? They are the least capitalist nation on the planet and the most polluted. In a free market consumer demand can and does force business to produce green products.
@thelion2430 But the point is is that the freer the market the more prosperity for everyone. It is just a historical fact that that moron apparently overlooked or is just plain ignorant of. Even when there is a modest change to free up the market the economy grows. It is historical fact if you would ever care to look it up.
@thelion2430 Suppose you and your 0.0000099% at Loserpalosa get your way and bring capitalism down, what types of draconian controls are you going to put on people so that they never buy and sell anything? When capitalism is down and the wheels of production grind to a halt what how are you going to keep 300 million Americans from starving to death? How will you clothe them?
You say you haven't studied other forms of government, which government type will you recommend that we adopt?
@HoldingOnToLiberty nice that you only think about Americans but we have a system that works every day we use items from it...we use knowledge from this system....the society will work and do the things that SCIENCE tells us to do..and now i think you want attack science right :D well i would be careful..BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN THE WOLRD AGAINST YOU THAT ARE MADE BY SCIENTISTS LIKE R.Dawkins...S. Harris..N.Tyson and many more in defence of science against creatsionist..OWNED
@thelion2430 "the society will work and do the things that SCIENCE tells us to do" Like I said you intend to make slaves of us all.
I believe in individual liberty, where the individual makes his or her own decisions and not some pointy headed nitwit who has never met me. The smartest "expert" any government can produce only has about 1% of the collective knowledge of any given society.
I don't want your "scientists" telling me how to live my life, that's socialism. I choose free will!
@HoldingOnToLiberty now you either dont read or you dont think ... your claim " don't want your "scientists" telling me how to live my life, that's socialism. I choose free will! "...and my claim was that peopel will do what science tells us to do...NOT SCIENTIST ...you idiot....I AM TALKIG ABOUT THE method which we thank The human race knowledge...and PLS DONT INSULT SCIENTISTs :d THIS will make you sound like creationists :) in other words a retard..i will explain more in the next comment
@thelion2430 So trust in science is what you think? What happens when science is wrong? What happens when it get politicized like global warming or evolution. If there are any competing theories they get shut out. That is not the scientific method.
Here's a real "non-sequiter" for you. You keep bring up creationism in an economics debate. Why?
@HoldingOnToLiberty see now i pulled you where i needed you because everytime you make a claim AGAINST SCIENCE..you get the refutation that many smart people have made and said whenever STUPID PEOPLE like you attacked science.your claim " What happens when science is wrong? "so? yes science can be wrong (so can be people )but it is still the best system humans have invented BECAUSE YOU SEE scientific achievements everywhere..it is better then MAKING decisions based on OPINIONS like we have now
@thelion2430 "you because everytime you make a claim AGAINST SCIENCE" WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I NEVER MADE ANY SUCH CLAIM. I said that science can and is frequently wrong. Theories are revisited all of the time. What I said is the "politicization" of science. That does not mean that science is wrong it just means that some science has been hijacked to make certain people rich, like Al Gore. When that happens all dissenting scientists are shut out.
@HoldingOnToLiberty THE POINT HERE IS IN CAsE YOU DONT GET IT...this method is better to arrive at decisions...then what we have now and what you want ..people like make decisions .. yes.. and also many of those people are fucked up...the scientific method works and thats the point....you see it all around....the reason science changes is when new information is presented..look this video made for idiots ( CREATIONISTs ) but i think you need to see it too NAME IS " You Can't Trust Science! "
@thelion2430 "the reason science changes is when new information is presented" YES!! Exactly. That is what I was trying to tell you. Science is always changing. But you were acting like it is static and not dynamic.
Creationists are not idiots. You shouldn't be so judgmental about people you don't know. There are some who are dumb and some who are brilliant. The same is true of darwinists. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them an idiot. Learn that and stop hating.
@HoldingOnToLiberty " Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them an idiot. " well it is not because someone disagrees with me that i call them idiots IT IS WHAT THEY BELEIVE ABOUT REALITY AND more importantly what they want to do with those believes....i think this video shows what i try to say :D " Why does faith deserve respect? " pls dont defent creationists YOU get all the LOL against you from many famous atheists :)
@thelion2430 How do you justify your hatred of capitalism that we are having this conversation on a computer built by capitalists, using an internet connection distributed by capitalists on a web page ran by capitalists? Seems to me you are a bit if a hypocrite.
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system than man has ever thought up. Study history and you cannot avoid that conclusion. It is the ONLY reason why we are not living in caves anymore.
@HoldingOnToLiberty WELL DUDE STOP YOU WRONG TALK...NO CPITALIST HAS EVER BUILD ANYTHING :d THIS IS THE MOST WRONG THING I EVER HEARED...our technology comes from scientist working to invent better items and methods....and now pls dont calim that they do this becuse of mONEY ....no scientist ever has worked thinking about dollar signts....SO PLS STOP THIS BULL CRAP THAT CAPITALIST BUILD SOMTHING....YOU ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED :d
@thelion2430 You are a bigger idiot than I thought. You seriously think every innovation came from science??? Have you EVER stepped outside of your house and looked around?
Off the top of my head, Philo T. Farnworth, a potato farmer, invented the Television, he thought of it while plowing his fields. Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Nicola Tesla, etc none of them were scientists. The one thing all great inventors had in common, is that they were capitalists.
@HoldingOnToLiberty on the contrary Sir...you are the bigger idiot ...again stupid Non sequitur (logic) " The one thing all great inventors had in common, is that they were capitalists. " so you think that the reason this men where inventors was there economic ideology??? are you REALLY RETARDED :d I MEAN IN public people would lol at you :D...what about people who where inventors too and had no or different economic ideology?? i mean your whole argument is so wrong that i think you need help :)
@thelion2430 "so you think that the reason this men where inventors was there economic ideology??? " YES!!!!!!!! Take away the profit motive and we go back to the horse and buggy. It is just that simple. Why don't you understand that? The profit motive may not be the entire reason why they invent something but it plays a huge part.
If you moved out of your parents basement and got a real job you might understand that, especially if you got married and had kids.
@HoldingOnToLiberty now you made a huge error " YES!!!!!!!! Take away the profit motive and we go back to the horse and buggy. It is just that simple" GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America etc ( with his profit shit motive) ...and go read about a study called the " Whitehall Study 2 " THE PROFIT MOTIVE means shit.... THEN WOULD ALL BE INVENTORS if it worked...see people invent because they like to do it..nobody did pay Einstein to think about the universe
@thelion2430 "GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America " Part of that is true. We have been infested with socialist and communist parasites who have just about completely destroyed our economy. I'm not talking about just Obama, this has been going on for 100 years. This is causing our businesses to flee the country and innovation and productivity is about that of Europe. This was NOT caused by capitalism.
@HoldingOnToLiberty THIS WHOLE COMMENT JUST SHOWS HOW... I DONT KNOW STUPID, brainwashed, or just nuts you are....DUDE capitalism CREATES inequality ,,and inequality is bad for humans now science shows that ....AND THATS THE REASON I MENTION THAT " GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America "...IN FACT not just invention is better but also LOOK THIS VIDEO " Peter Joseph - Social Pathology - Part 1 " you see statistics etc etc capitalism is a cancer
@thelion2430 "DUDE capitalism CREATES inequality" Yes it does. It is also dynamic and is constantly changing. There are rich people who go broke and poor people who get rich and everything in between all of the time. It is based on the amount of effort, persistence and sometimes just dumb luck that changes the financial situation of the individual.
What you propose to replace that is with slavery. Everyone is equally miserable and impoverished.
@thelion2430 Okay it is time to end this. A wise man once said. "don't argue with a crazy person, people will not be able to tell the who's the crazy one".
You claim science is on your side, yet you are divorced from it. You claim to be logical but all you offer me is what I know to be impractical and implausible but more important it is destructive.
So I quit. I am not interested in any video by a misguided communist. I could point you to a bunch of vids but it would be pointless.
@HoldingOnToLiberty you are the one who is crazy irrational...i mean you say that operating society using the scientific method is bad...yet people use science everyday..all that we know about medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, technology is BASED ON SCIENCE but you say science is not good so we let just people DREAM UP decisions LIKE WE HAVE NOW AND I AM CRAZY? pls look this at least part 2..you hear how stupid YOUR LOGIC IS... " Peter Joseph - Social Pathology - Part 2 "
@thelion2430 I'm not going to continue the discussion but I watched your Peter Joseph video. He lays down a false premise that the free market enslaves us and then build off of that. He claims that business controls all the resources and keeps them away from us but that point is moot when you consider that the purpose of business is turn those resources into a product that we either need or want.
He ignores the fact that businesses purpose is to serve the demands of the consumer.
@thelion2430 Thus in a free market system the consumer is free to consume and it is his or her free will that drives business. It frees up the consumer from having to manufacture those goods by themselves.
The more limits placed in the free market the less freedom the fewer choices the consumer has. And the less free business is to satisfy the demands of the consumer.
@thelion2430 The greatest pollution on the planet does NOT come from those who are free but from those who are enslaved by their gov'ernment. This is another flaw in his argument. He ignores reality. Look at the many countries around the world where the people have little or no freedom, in those countries you find the greatest amount of pollution, in the air, water and land. That is just an observable fact. He obfuscates that fact because if his opposition to individual liberty and (cont)
@thelion2430 ...centralized government body to regulate individuals. This is social planning, this is social justice. It is to enslave us to a body who claim to know better how our lives are to be ran than our ownselves.
In the history of mankind only about 5% of the people have ever known any type of freedom. The rest have been slaves to a king or government in some form or another. This is because there will always be people who seek to control other people. (cont)
@HoldingOnToLiberty HIS POINTS are SUPPORTed by MANY SPECIALISTS and Scientist like he quoted...he showed statistics that all are proof for his claims .he mention scietific studies that are also proof..i mean dude who here ignores reality:D. the problem with you is that you either dont know what is a valid claim or you just deliberately say stupid things like you do..but i think you just are ignorant about the world..low education..if you know less then you make stupid claims like you do
@HoldingOnToLiberty you claim that your points are supported too??? well pls tell me what scientist PROVES (not says) but PROVES with research that capitalism or free market is good ? you know you will never find anything because the only thing science shows is that a society where you have ( capitalism free maket ) is not healthy for humans....you have nothing against my claims to say ....just your empty claims...and claims without evidence have no meaning...so PISS OFF RETARD
@thelion2430 In this country we are not only part of the fortunate 5% but we happen to live in the freest system of government ever created by mankind.
It is people like Peter Joseph who try to discredit the value of freedom of the individual and supplant it with freedom of the collective. He himself may not even be aware of that because he may have been sold a bill of goods that starts with devaluing individual liberty. Stalin called these people "useful idiots".
@thelion2430 But don't worry. All your dreams are about to come true. Obama is working on bypassing the constitution so he can finally collapse the economy. George Soros, the money behind Obama and behind Loserpalosa, has set himself up to get richer by the collapse of the worlds economy.
You will have all the joys of living in poverty digging for scraps of food because that evil nasty capitalism will be brought down and replaced with communism. Good luck
@thelion2430 When the Progressives infested our government in the early 20th century they were more than happy to work with large corporations. They saw it as a stepping stone to Fascism. They disregarded the Constitution and thus began corporatism in the US.
Throw out the Progressives and the cancer will die. Unfortunately Progressives are in both parties. The Dems are exclusively Progressive but the Repubs have their fair share of them like the Bush's.
@thelion2430 Ok so you don't "worship" any political philosophy but you off hand dismiss capitalism. How did that happen? What convinced you that capitalism is bad? Why is it evil to offer something in trade for something else? That is all capitalism is but apparently you find that evil.
Many of our biggest corporations are NOT capitalistic. They collude with the government. Our government was never set up to get involved in business. It is corrupt politicians that promoted this.
@HoldingOnToLiberty any system CAPITALISM,COMMUNISM,FASCISM,SOCIALISM is corrupt in there basic strukture BECAUSE they USE MONEY and if you have a system that uses only one form of "item" to buy other items like money then you get corruption and many other problems. Now why i dont like capitalism the most?? well capitalism is a form of cancer taht will destroy this planet. Of all ISMS capitalism is the most antyhuman system that ever created...and scientific research proves this :)
@thelion2430 Capitalism is not a cancer. It is the natural state of humanity. The exchange of goods and/or services is just a part of mankind's natural behavior.
I cannot believe how naive you are. What are you suggesting to replace capitalism? Please don't tell me you are an anarchist because I know real anarchists and they are more free market advocates than I am. I seriously think you haven't thought through much beyond your hatred of Wall Street.
@HoldingOnToLiberty your claim " Capitalism is not a cancer. It is the natural state of humanity " where is the evidence for that claim?? again you just make claims with no evidence...you just claim that it is NATURAL FOR HUMANS and somehow you think this is evidence..SORRY NO..capitalism is a MADE UP SYSTEM ...it has nothing to do with the natural world in fact it is the enemy of all life.....by the way go and read " The Cancer Stage Of Capitalism " :)
@thelion2430 Just look around. From early childhood kids will barter with each other for items in their school lunch or toys. No one told them to do it they just did. The concept of exchanging an item of value for another item of value has been a basic part of mankind since the beginning.
@HoldingOnToLiberty omg read your ignorant shit " Just look around. From early childhood kids will barter with each other for items in their school lunch or toys. " ahahahahah ever heard what scientific evidence is.. :D i am talking about that not some made up evidence from you ..you know why this example is stupid? well it is because you forget that this kids grow up in a system that creates this behavior and NOT ALL KIDS barter ...you need more sir:D
@thelion2430 I am talking about observable behavior. Capitalism is how mankind naturally behaves in a civilized society. I suppose in your barbarian world you would just take what you need from whomever you wanted. Well judging from the signs I have been seeing at all the Loserpalosas around the country I guess stealing whatever you want is what you guys are all about.
@HoldingOnToLiberty it is nice that you just described capitalism :D when you started talking about barbarian world :D and again pls dont make empty claims like " Capitalism is how mankind naturally behaves in a civilized society " again where is the scientific evidence that this is how mankind naturally behaves...i would be very careful because i dont think you know anything about science or what is natural for humans...PLS SHUT UP SIR your unsupported claims make you look soooo stupid.
what a dirt bag video
onlythewise1 1 month ago
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It's a dirtbag video if you're a jobless loser living in a tent among flea-infested baboons who rape whatever moves.
DraughtOfPeace 12 hours ago
I want this video on my U8290 unit.
giftbasketer2 1 month ago
This video went viral on Praia
ustavobarr25g 2 months ago
The Rep philosophy seems to be:
As a wealthy person, with my ADDITIONAL wealth for this year I was able to afford another mansion, new private jet, another villa in Europe, major investments in more stocks & bonds, apartments & other properties for speculation, one professional sports team, a Bentley for my son, & a shitload of diamonds & jewellery plus a new Porsche for the wife.
But you got a new TV so what the hell are you complaining about? You're better off in "real terms" aren't you?
megarational 2 months ago
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megarational 2 months ago
Slackers? Losers? Don't forget hygenically impaired anti-Semites, and no I don't mean "Palestinians".
koyunbaba73 2 months ago
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you guys have to to shut up! How can we have jobs when nobody is hiring? I have a Master's degree in Computer Security, and still nothing. I have been applying here , applying there. come on now, stop with the lies.
occupyish 3 months ago
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GET THIS:our government failed us with the recession. The recession wasn't a surprise, there were problems before it as the result of the removal of regulations, put in after the Great Depression. Explanation :youtube.com / watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wK1MOMKZ8BI
Norseman870 3 months ago
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Another good reason for OWS is that hard work pays less than it ever did before in US history while company CO's make record profits. While much of the world has universal health care, we don't. Our schools are defiantly NOT 1# (as with many other of our programs), thanks to our budget, half of which goes to a military which spends an absurd amount, 8.5 times as much as, China, the 2nd biggest spender.Please check out these graphs: flickr.com/photos/cascadia. /sets/72157608158945302/detail/
Norseman870 3 months ago
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the US spends military money on weapons, which we will most probably never possibly need to fight against anyone (exactly like it were still the Cold War) while our country suffers at home. The Cold War bankrupted the USSR, that's why it was a victory for us. Will our spending bankrupt us? Our government military spending is way beyond our means, all the $ is being borrowed. Also the whole US economy is largely build of the oppression of the poor. We hold third-world countries in debt (contin)
Norseman870 3 months ago
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(contin) they can't realistically pay off anytime soon. With them owning us debt, we make them agree to allow colonial-style sweat-shop labor businesses to come in their countries.These industries work against healthy local economies, keeping these countries in poverty, unexcapable (without a revolt.) When people revolt/ try to unionize, we send in the CIA, or, in Latin A., leave it to SOA/WHISC trained death squads. Watch "The End of Poverty" free on Youtube. It is time for a REVOLT in the US
Norseman870 3 months ago
Why is it that all Republican tax "plans", whether they call it
- "everyone putting skin in the game" (a fox talking heads favorite, or
- "flattening the tax", or
- "broadening the base"
all result in the same thing", more tax cuts for the rich and raising taxes on the middle & lower class.
megarational 3 months ago
Only in the bizzaro world of Republican ideology or the Fox bubble will you see anyone trying to defend more tax cuts for the rich, huge taxpayer subsidies to GE, big oil, and mega profitable agribusiness corporations, and in the next breath complain about the deficit and want to cut benefits to seniors, the sick & the poor.
megarational 3 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty US census: the long-term trend has been toward increasing income inequality. Since 1969, the share of aggregate household income controlled by the lowest income quintile has decreased from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent in 1997, while the share to the highest quintile increased from 43.0% to 49.4%. Most noticeably, the share of income controlled by the top 5% of households has increased from 16.6% to 21.7%.
megarational 3 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty So you "rarely watch Fox" and "don't listen to Limbaugh all that much".
You don't have to. They keep pumping the exact same bullshit day in and day out, the exact shit you keep parroting.
megarational 3 months ago
GET A JOB, you HDB's! (Hipster douchebags)
MrNYCman530 3 months ago
Socialists and Communists are who organized Loserpalosa. They have been planning this for months. Steven Lerner of the SEIU stated this was going to happen months ago.
The biggest, greediest and most corrupt capitalist around, George Soros is funding Loserpalosa. How do you think that "Occupy Wall Street Journal" got printed and showed up at the protests on day one? The fleabaggers at Loserpalosa are all being played. They are, as Josef Stalin said, just "useful idiots".
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
Get a job you worthless Hipster 'Dirt' Bags! They can't be douche bags because douche bags actually have a useful function.
Dragdamar 4 months ago
fact is THAT THIS WALL STREET SHIT WILL BE GONE AND ALL THE NICE CAPITALIST SHIT TOO...BYE BYE CAPITALISM WITH ALL YOUR INSANE SUPPORTERS BYE BYE :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
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Occupiers are a cacophony of wayward malcontents. This is due to their lack of focus and priority from within a culture distracted and stupefied via a detached view of reality by-way-of technology coupled with incomplete thought patterns (sound bite disease).
jackeatsfish 4 months ago
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jackeatsfish 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty using science NOT SCIENTISTS but science " the scientific method " to arrive at decision i REPEAT NOBODY MAKES DECISION BUT we use the scientific method to arrive at decision...AND WHY? well because sicence works ...you say that you want to make your own decisions? but what when your decisions are bad for everuybody else? bad for the planet ? YOU KNOW HUMANs CAN BE VERY irrational LIKE WE SEE with YOU...thats why arriveng at decisions in better than just to make them
thelion2430 4 months ago
People keep saying that everything we are using, computers, is attributed to capitalism.
just face it, its not as if these things wouldnt exist without capitalism.
Its like saying the USSR gained significant technological power solely due to socialism.
Not that I oppose capitalism, but everyone should look from a different perspective of things.
blackryder65 4 months ago
omg look this video with name " Occupy Wall Street [FORMAL OFFICIAL DEMANDS] " this will destroy the sick capitalist free market metally ill system...people will no more tke the crap from rich suckups and the sheeps who defend thiss idiots liek some users here with there comments ....all your free market will be gone...ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahyahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
thelion2430 4 months ago
about getting a jobe Occupiers .....look this video.....hmmmm it seems there are people who Occupier and have jobes like this Dr.....omg you free market retards see the world is waking up and your La La land will be soon over ....people dont let mess with them and there planet no more...ahahahah...look video with name... Dr. Gabor Mate @Occupy Wall Street explains the link Between Financial Crisis & Mental Illness
thelion2430 4 months ago
I love Bill Whittle in this video. He's so angry.
Also, love how you're sticking it to these douches out there.
Siegetower 4 months ago
What is he wearing?
newyy1 4 months ago
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"- Ghandi
jaymaccool 4 months ago
Issue with the "get a job" rant - it sounds good, but you've already given the reasons business aren't hiring. I think rather than "get a job" maybe the battle cry should be "get informed" - they should be diligently researching where the jobs went and what's really happened instead of attacking the only economic and governmental system that will save them - their stupid answer it too often "we just haven't applied enough communism yet."
ObiWanShinobi1 4 months ago
These guys are so unfunny!
PJohnny76 4 months ago
I've watched this about five times now. Can't get enough of Bill Whittle's "Get a job, you worthless HDBs!"
GamerFromJump 4 months ago
Why am I still subscribed to this channel? "Socialist front group spawning chaos on a global scale?" Is that a joke? You just attach the word "socialist" to something and then disregard it as evil. "You've been given everything you're entire lives" Okay and that makes it wrong to stand up for others who weren't born into a wealthy family? And before you go out can call the protesters socialists/communists, take a look at Wall Street themselves and their bailout money
uhoitsjono 4 months ago
To be fair, with Obama in office, there are no jobs left... and I suppose if you wanted to protest the President, Wall Street WOULD be a good place to do it.
JoeThreeler 4 months ago
I am all for Occupy Wall Street. I hate the crooked greedy corporations and banksters in this country who are supported by the wealthy elite. If unions can return the standard of living in this country with decent wages and benefits than more power to them.
Duck4212 4 months ago
Bill Whittle is my hero!!!!
ejfurniture 4 months ago
@ejfurniture watch?v=2EuMSaG9dQE&feature=feedu these guys are no better than fox,take off your blinkers and open your eyes
looknfortruth 4 months ago
@looknfortruth I believe my eyes are open. I believe in the constitution and limited Gov. These guys are just looking for a hand out, and even more things given to them. They feel they are entitled to a job and all kinds of benifits without earning it. Bill is fantastic. Get A Job You Worthless Hipster Douch Bags. Should be what we all tell these guys.
ejfurniture 4 months ago
@ejfurniture im sorry but you are the cause of the problems in america,you only believe what fox news tells you.iv been following this from it began and the majority are wanting the fed and their puppets(our gov) held accountable for driving us under and outsourcing manufacturing.they are calling for more jobs for american people,so how can you not put your pride to the side and join your fellow citizens in calling for a better future for the country?
looknfortruth 4 months ago
@looknfortruth How can I be the problem? I want to return to the Old America where people were free to pursue their dreams without government interference. Do you really think that a Henry Ford would be able to build a car in his garage and then develop an assembly line to build it efficiently in today's America. There is absolutely no way. This country became great not because the gov. was large and controlling but because it was small and stayed out of peoples business.
ejfurniture 4 months ago
@ejfurniture youre missing my point,youre the problem because you believe the reteric from propagandists.the two party is system doesnt work when both sides members are all part of the same societies and are working for the same agenda.
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looknfortruth 4 months ago
@looknfortruth No, I believe in what the founding fathers have said. I then look for people who as close as possible hold to those view points. I can't stand liberal republicans. They fit into that 2 party system you spoke of. As TEA Party people we through a bunch out and elected better people. That is the American way. By the way, I don't watch Fox much, but I definetly don't watch msnbc. I stay away from the reteric (lies) from the left as much as possible.
ejfurniture 4 months ago
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@ejfurniture its clear you have been brainwashed into believing in the two party system,what if the two parties are controlled by the same masters.
looknfortruth 4 months ago
@looknfortruth (Continuation of last post) Speeking of propaganda. The Ocupy wall street people come from the bigest propaganda machine in history, the public schools. They spent 12 years and then another 4 in colege, learing how to hate America and it's history. And now their martching on wall street saying down with evil corperations. Yea, they have a lot of credibility.
ejfurniture 4 months ago
your take on this is completely wrong.
Your condescending attitudes is why is why I will never be a republican
When they protest against Wall street they are supposedly stupid and immature but when the Tea party does it they are intelligent and cohort..........
you guys FAILED
nadadreamer 4 months ago
@nadadreamer couldnt agree more,its about we all behaved like rational adults and joined together,iv been watchn pj for a while now and theyre like kids'my party is better than yours'.just an internet version of fox news.
looknfortruth 4 months ago
Arab spring = after decades of absolutly no freedom and crack downs from govt. The people get sick and overthrow the govts. America spring= Bunch of burn out college kids complaining that govt dosnt have enough controll and demand that the govt take even more controll.
shaqdaddy11 4 months ago
this is exactly the reason america will never change,until people realise 'together'we can make a change,while fighting with each other we only prolong the raping of the average citizen:(
looknfortruth 4 months ago
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Gee Bill, why don't you tell us what you really think?
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
Among their demands are:
Guaranteed living wage income, regardless of employment; single payer healthcare system; "restoration of living wage" (meaning ending free trade, raising minimum wage); free college education; an end to fossil fuels; 1 trillion spent on infrastructure; 1 trillion spent on environmental restoration; racial and gender equality legislation; open the borders to all; election reform; complete debt forgiveness; ban credit reporting agencies; unionize everything:
Idiots.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago 9
@koyunbaba73 hi,where did you get this list?
looknfortruth 4 months ago
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@looknfortruth Thank you for asking, I should have cited it before.
Ryan Young, 'Unfocused "Occupy Wall Street" Protesters Make List of Demands', in Opposing Views. an online source.
For some reason Youtube won't let me type in the URL.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
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Looks a lot like the Republic of Haven from the early Honor Harrington books.
GamerFromJump 4 months ago
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koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 dude i think you are the idiot :D get mental help :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Wow, you express yourself so well! I mean that was such an articulate and deep response. Thank you for giving everyone the benefit of your wisdom.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 sure thanks... because reading your comment we all know your wisdom....i mean to list there demands and then write in the end " idiots " is SOO MUTCH FULL WITH valid claims and points ...i mean dude you are the smartest guy around:D you are like this retards in this video...with there logical fallacies...so PISS OFF stupid
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 How old are you? Because I hope this isn't a mature person I'm dealing with here. "Idiots" was the logical conclusion that anyone past 3rd grade would come to after reading THEIR list of demands. To a normal person, 'idiots' was unnecessary. I wrote 'idiots' for those who are lacking reading skills or common sense. You want wisdom? Here you go: Grown men are too busy providing for their families to protest aimlessly over illusionary injustices. They need to grow up and so do you.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 " illusionary injustices. "dude i think you have delusions that the world is ok :D and you talk about jobs ok go and give all who have no jobs jobs...i would like to see that .give them education because not all have rich cock sucking suckup parents or friends who help...you are a moron..the USA system is so stupid we in europe laugh at you :D i would say this people in this video should get real jobs not some shit like that.. and you should grow up...your dream world is over :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 was the bank bailout illusionary injustices.?? you are a retard go get fucking help i told you... come to my channel look my video with name " Capitalism, free market, monetary system is for pycopaths " then you know ....taht you are a retard who needs mental help you fucking anti human asshole :D
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 If you can explain to me how the bank bailout was symptomatic of unchecked capitalism, then I will buy you some prozac.
And for everyone else who may be reading this dialogue, the person I am engaging with is a typical incoherent, vulgar, and hysterical Leftist. If we cannot out-debate these people or expose them for the half-wits that they are, then we deserve to lose in 2012.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 we talked about injustices you retard your claim was " Grown men are too busy providing for their families to protest aimlessly over illusionary injustices " i just made an example about injustices and named the "bank bailout" you retard..and about capitalism i have videos come to my channel retard :D and turning to everyone else and insulting me with your shit shows how afraid you are ....you will never win a debate against people who know what really matters ...you retard :D
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Well now let's see: In your latest post you called me a "retard" 4 times. And I'm the one who's afraid? I haven't attacked you personally, not because I don't think you're an idiot, but because I'm not interested in you. I'm interested in preserving American principles. I want you to keep posting though. The more people see that your side is only capable of calling names, the sooner they'll realize that you don't have anything of worth to offer them. This is good! Let's keep going!
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@koyunbaba73 ok now lets see your last claim " The more people see that your side is only capable of calling names, the sooner they'll realize that you don't have anything of worth to offer them." lets underline " only capable of calling names " ARE YOU RETARDED ? because i did not JUST call you names moron :) .i refuted your " illusionary injustices "claim because there is injustices and i asked to solve the jobe problem and i have not seen one repsond to that so you have nothing worth to say
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 It is difficult to give a coherent response to an incoherent question. If you are actually sincere about dealing with an issue, then you will compose yourself and present your question/challenge rationally and without hostility. Personally, I don't care if you would like to do that or if you want to keep presenting yourself in such a juvenile manner. I've enjoyed watching you spin your wheels.
koyunbaba73 4 months ago
@LordSparkisvati ...When left wing types see something as a problem they want the state to save them from it. Right wing types believe in personal liberty and want to manage their own lives.
When the state becomes all powerful, the citizens are reduced to the status of serfs in a feudal society. The social elite become the new barons. This is a case of the road to Hell being paved with good intentions.
dalriada842 4 months ago
@LordSparkisvati I'm an atheist Minarchist Libertarian who's against the war on drugs. I'm right wing both economically and socially. Live and let live. I believe in keeping the beast of government as small as possible!
Religious fundamentalists tend to be right wing economically, but control freaks socially.
The left are control freaks economically and socially, unless it concerns deviant sexuality or drugs.
We are not protesting the same thing at all!
Continued...
dalriada842 4 months ago
Why should a highly qualified, highly educated professional accept a job at Taco bell?
as early as 20 years ago, a kid could make a living with just High school diploma working manufacturing. Nowadays, those jobs are gone. YOU didn't have to deal with this Economy, YOU wasn't a college graduate working at Burger King, so why do you expect us to?
Gendo3s2k 4 months ago
@Gendo3s2k So do you think other people should work in these jobs, and pay taxes, to support the "highly qualified, highly educated professional" in their idleness? Sometimes life sucks, but you are responsible for making your own way in life and paying your own bills. There are plenty of people in this world who have it far worse than you do. You're displaying rampant narcissism in your comment!
dalriada842 4 months ago
Woodstock-2011!
edwardpf123 4 months ago
Whats sad is that the Occupy wall street morons are treated alot more lovingly in the MSM than the Tea Party ever were. I swear the first tea party rally back in 2009 was treated like it was a gathering of al queda leaders or something.
SAOrules 4 months ago
@SAOrules That's because the MSM shares the same left wing political agenda as these fools. The economy in the West would be in much better shape if governments weren't taxing and regulating the productive sector of the economy into oblivion!
dalriada842 4 months ago
wonder how many of these anti corporation buy Apple products, giving money to a huge megacorp
ForTehNguyen 4 months ago
I used to have a PJTV coffee cup and it broke. Where do I get another?
stetsonwalker 4 months ago
There are no jobs, you S.D.B. "S" stands for smarmy.
dannydebonis 4 months ago
@dannydebonis There are plenty of jobs out there. These people are just not willing to get a job that doesn't live up to their high unrealistic requirements. Their dream job is probably where they get paid a high salary given benefits and part ownership of the company and in return they basically sit on their ass all day doing nothing beneficial. You know like what they are doing at these protests.
Sirynx77 4 months ago
@Sirynx77 Really? Is that why unemployment has been so high in recent years? Because millions of Americans decided they just want to sit on their ass?
dannydebonis 4 months ago
@dannydebonis In those millions you talk about there are two groups. One group is willing to take take any job possible. The problem is that they are probably all applying to the same jobs. Hence, the chances for someone to get them goes to the same numbers of winning a jackpot. But that wont stop them from taking any job, even those that will only last for a day. The other group is the one that I have mentioned in my previous post. Yes the conditions are hard, but that is not an excuse.
Sirynx77 4 months ago
Every hour these occupiers occupy Wall Street they only hurt themselves. Every hour they lose at least $7.25 that could go into their pockets. 15000 protestors since September 17, 14 work days, 8 hours minimum, equates to $812 lost per person minimum, $12,180,000 that has not gone into the economy, which means the economy is out $12.18 million b/c of these protests, minimum. The protesters are hurting themselves and the economy. But since none study economics, they have no idea...
TheFederalistVoice 4 months ago
The Tea Party ALL knew why they were protesting. Loser college student drones following a handful of Communists have absolutely no idea why they are out there.
Well...some do. Some are anti-Semitic bigots protesting Jews.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago 12
@HoldingOnToLiberty so because the fedral reserve is run and owned by jews now we cant protest them incase we labeled anti semitic.?we cant mention obama incase we are labeled racist,you guys are fkn barmy
looknfortruth 4 months ago
@looknfortruth Who bloody cares if the Federal Reserve is ran by Jews or not. The problem is NOT the ethnic make up of the Federal Reserve, the real problem is the existence of the Federal Reserve.
Since when do communists ever get called racist for mentioning Obama? Every time the Tea Party questions any of Obama's stupid spending policies we get called racist. The Tea Party exists because of destructive economic policy and NOT the color of anyone's skin.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty "The Tea Party ALL knew why they were protesting.". bullshit.
lockwoodisafaggot 4 months ago
@lockwoodisafaggot You're ignorance of the facts are staggering. Have you ever been to a Tea Party event? Have you ever talked to someone who has been in the Tea Party. Do you even know what the Tea Party stands for. It was crystal clear to EVERYONE involved what the Tea Party was about. They wouldn't have shown up if they didn't know why they were there. Stop being a blithering idiot and pay attention.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty the fact you said EVERYONE is what i find sad/hilarious . yeah there's people sincerely angry about the state of affairs teh US is in. There are also a lot of uninformed idiots talking about 'god' and love-it-or-leave -it bullshit.. A casual search on youtube will turn up both.
lockwoodisafaggot 4 months ago
@lockwoodisafaggot Dude, I've been to several Tea Party events. What you see on YouTube can easily be skewed. Trust me on this. There was one driving central theme to the Tea Party, it was it's reason to exist from the beginning and that is high taxes and destructive fiscal policy. What people said on YouTube was in addition to that. The Tea Party attracted a huge diversity of opinions with one central theme. The Tea Party consists of Democrats, Republicans Libertarians, Ayn Rand heads etc
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@lockwoodisafaggot If Bush and then Obama hadn't spent us into oblivion, if the economy hadn't tanked, if unemployment hadn't shot up to 9+%, there would absolutely never had been a Tea Party. There wouldn't have been a need for it. It is what got a huge segment of the population who have never done anything like that in their lives to get up out of their houses and go stand on street corners with signs.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Jews do run things to be honest. The banks are greedy but these protesters just want to push their communist views.
rp1dmc 4 months ago
@rp1dmc If Jews actually do run everything, how does that affect your live? Are you less free? Are they forcing you to convert? I'm not Jewish but I really don't care if Jews run everything, run a few things or run nothing at all.
Some banks are greedy, some are not. Lumping them all together is a bit unfair to the honest bankers and the protestors never make that distinction. But the bigger problem is communism, that is far far worse then greed.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@rp1dmc The real problem is that these protestors are calling all businesses greedy in hopes that the government will take over private business. That is evil because by and large most business owners are decent honest hard working people.
What they miss is government greed and communism is one of the greediest systems ever devised. People's entire work effort is to support a handful of oligarchs who own everything. Those that don't work are exterminated.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty and another capitalist puppet " most business owners are decent honest hard working people." where is the evidence for this claim?do you know "most business owners"in the world? stop you idiotic claims that you cant possibly know and this shit about govermment and communism gets boring. you capitalist assholes have nothing more to say?60 years the same shit over and over again and you are the product of this brainwashing..i can turn the words around against capitalism too
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "and another capitalist puppet " most business owners are decent honest hard working people." where is the evidence for this claim?" Where is your evidence to the contrary? Do YOU know most business owners in the world?
Actually is has been more like 100 years, not 60. It is when the Progressive era started. Back when turds like you worshiped the ground that Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler walked on and then when WWII happened you guys shut up about it real fast.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty well ever heard a term called " Burden of proof " meybe you google it...then you know that i dont need to provide evidence...BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO MAKES THE CLAIM has the borden....you made the calim so you need to show that it is true...stupid :D...and pls stop this stalin hitler etc talk it gets boring ..i have never worshiped any president any political ideology any political philosopher etc...back to the evidence talk..you made the claim so show us evidence FOR IT
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 The proof is in the free market. Granted our market is a far cry from free today because of you Progressives. But in a Free Market economy businesses would be compelled to be honest because if they weren't no one would buy from them. What distorts the free market is when Progressives make deals with business a take away the fear of failure. Those businesses tend to become corrupt.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty the proof that MOST BUSINESS OWNERS ARE HONEST is the free market? this is Non sequitur (logic) GO LOOK UP WHAT THIS MEANS?..and now see your argument " But in a Free Market economy businesses would be compelled to be honest because if they weren't no one would buy from them. " i have to ask ARE YOU INSANE ?? again you use Non sequitur (logic)...it seems the free market and capitalism defense is 100% based on Non sequitur (logic) and logical fallacies.
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 I seriously think you need to get acquainted with logic. You seem to not understand basic logic. Because that is exactly how the Free Market has been working before all of this government hand out and bail out crap. There are always going to be a handful of get rich quick idiots that are only in it for the short term but they do not represent the majority.
Read Thomas Sowell, Milton Freedman, F.A. Hayak, Ludwig Von Mises, etc. Maybe then you might figure it out.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty i throw the words back at you about LOGIC. the free market defence is based on Non sequitur(logic)and to blame the state goes broing too. want know what would happen when there would be no state controll? ever heard a term called " Monopoly" and i give you a nice video where is discraibed what a free market would be without Government. look video called "Peter Joseph Refutes The Free Market" i like the part "Monkeys running around screaming, throwing feces!"
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Are monopolies a problem? How long does a monopoly last? No business can corner the market without outside help (ie the government). In the late 1800's a bunch of businessmen got together to make the government step in so they could raise prices. The government said they could not because it was unconstitutional. But the business's did it anyway. This created a bunch of new start ups that offer better quality and lower prices. This pissed these bigger businesses off.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty i told you to look the video with name " Peter Joseph Refutes The Free Market " then you hear why a FREE MARKET IS INSANITY...I HAVE A VIDEO WHY CAPITALISM IS FOR MENATLLY ILL PEOPLE .....PLS LOOK THIS TOO video name " Capitalism, free market, monetary system is for pycopaths " PLS duuuuude...look it up i cant explain to you how crazy you are ...you need to hear this from this videos how FUCKED UP A FREE MARKET AND CAPITALISM IS...pls duuuuude face your INSANITY
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 I just wasted 2:48 minutes listening to that Peter Joseph nitwit insult the concept of the free market. There was no economic theory, no facts. It was all conjecture based on opinion. Apparently he knows who Milton Freedman is but I doubt he has ever read anything he has written.
I know in even a limited gov't there can never truly be a free market. Once the idea of taxation is introduced the market is not longer free.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude :d PJ has given lectures...HE HAS SHOWN STUDIES AND FACTS FROM SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH...the free market is scinetificly an unhealthy system....THE REASON I JUST wanted to show the short clip...was that i hoped you would realize what a free market would be if you have no laws no state controll..you moron....it would be a battlefield...i really dont know in waht LA LA land you live BUT USE YOUR BRAIN ...think about " NO LAWS " NO RESPONSIBILITY " it would be a nightmare
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 PJ has studies and I have historical fact. If the free market would be a battlefield then why didn't this country tear itself apart prior to the Progressive era when government started passing unconstitutional regulations on private businesses?
Why? I really want to know. The freer the market the freer the people. You are trying to make slaves of us all.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty
Then why don't you move somewhere with a much freer market? Like Indonesia or Columbia for example.
I'm sure you'll love it when all those regulations are gone from businesses and you're working 100+ hours a week in criminally dangerous working conditions and barely making enough money to feed your family two shitty meals a day. Oh and if that wasn't enough, the factory might cut costs by dumping thousands of gallons of toxic waste into your local water supply.
Enjoy
yeebuddeh1 4 months ago
@yeebuddeh1 Because I want to put my country back to together after the nightmare you twits have made of it.
Where in the world did you ever get the idea that I was opposed to laws. If a business contaminates anything they have a responsibility to make recompense and to cease. We all have a moral and a legal responsibility to not cause harm to each other.
Oh and someone should tell that to Obama who allows his buddies at GE to get away with murder and not pay taxes.
Age res proprias tuas
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty
I never said you were opposed to laws, I was just pointing out your asertion that "the freer the market the freer the people" is completey false.
I know GE is one of the worst offenders. Where did you get the idea that I support Obama? Because I really don't. The man promised change and turned out to be just another whore to banks, unions and corporations just like all the rest.
yeebuddeh1 4 months ago
@yeebuddeh1 I still stand by my statement that the "freer the market the freer the people". You should notice that I said that "We all have a moral and legal responsibility..." We as individual or we as corporations (groups of individuals) share that responsibility.
I believe in as much freedom for the individual as possible but we cannot escape the consequences of our actions. But the laws imposed on business in the last 100 years is way above and beyond sanity.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty
Yes, we all have a responsibility, but look at any 3rd world country where our companies go and it's easy to see exactly happens when you take the chains off big business. 100+ hour work weeks for less than a dollar a day, child labor, hazardous working conditions, no benefits, etc.
Please give me specific examples of these insane laws imposed on business, the years they were implemented and exactly why you believe it was a mistake.
yeebuddeh1 4 months ago
@yeebuddeh1 We were never like those 3rd world countries. Most of them are dictatorships and none of them have even close to the freedom we have. That is why they are 3rd world. Individual freedom gives the poorest a chance to rise out of poverty. None of the 3rd world countries allow that kind of freedom.
The worst abusers of people rights ALWAYS are communist or socialist countries.
Hong Kong is a free market success story.
Insane laws: Sarbanes-Oxley & Dodd-Frank.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@yeebuddeh1 Obama is a Marxist. He is not just in bed with some of those large corporations, he seeks to take them over and control them. He's already tried with the banks, auto industry and insurance companies. His latest push is to spend more money without congressional approval. That is a clear violation of the Constitution.
The man is a dictator and must be thrown out of office in 2012 before he destroys the country.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty
A Marxist??? You've got to be kidding me. Do you even understand what that word means?
So giving the banks, auto industry and AIG a LOAN that they've paid back is Obama trying to "take them over and control them"?
And yes it's wrong for the President to do something without Congressional approval, but it's nothing new. Obama's not the 1st to do it nor will he be the last.
yeebuddeh1 4 months ago
@yeebuddeh1 Yes I understand Marxism. I've studied it for several years. Not all of the banks have paid back the loans, most have but Geitner created all sorts of obstacles to hinder repayment. GM has not fully paid back the loan. I am not sure about Chrysler because Fiat bought them recently. At the time Obama took controlling interest in GM and Chrysler he appointed a "car czar".
He is now working on a bill to create a gov't heath care program as a next step in Obamacare
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty now again comes the Non sequitur (logic)...what has a free market to do with freedom?...just because free market has the word free you make connection that this means freedom for all ?? dude i really think you have problems in using your brai...n the conclusions you draw does not follow from its premises...a classic Non sequitur....i again try to appeal to yoru brain...if you have NO LAWS, NO STATE CONTROLL about free market...ANYTHING " BAD "CAN BE DONE...get it moron?
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "now again comes the Non sequitur (logic)...what has a free market to do with freedom" Do you even know what the market is? It's people. People engaged in exchanging goods and/or services. When you put limits on the market you put limits on people.
Whenever you call something a "non-sequiter" it just means you don't understand it.
When did I ever say I didn't want laws? We needs some laws to punish those who harm others, or trash cities protesting without a clear message.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude i think you are really confused in your thinking way....i mean its like talking to a christian who makes idiotic claims about reality and then when people tell him that this claim is a logical fallacy, this is Non sequitur (logic), this is a claim without evidence...then the stupid believer claims that well you say this just because you dont uderstand i am right and you are wrong....thats how you try to justify your FUKING WORNG LOGIC AND CLAIMS...but ok i refute them
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 I have shown you logic up one side and down another. You just don't get it. You are bereft of reason and rational thought.
Then you go on a rampage against Christians. Why? I know a ton of Christians that are so much more intelligent than you so I wouldn't be disparaging Christians if I were you.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude :D i think now you dream up that you have said something of value against me ....NO ...the only thing you do ....is making logical fallacies...Non sequitur (logic)...empty claims.....and just claims that are simply wrong .....i mean you take some drugs ?? pls dude get mental help you are insane :D
thelion2430 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty a free market doesnt equal freedom ....freedom has many meanings...second you say that people are free in a free market ? free of what, debt ? i dont think so ? free from capitalists who destroy there planet ? i dont think so...etc etc...so shut up with this freedom talk ...YOU JUST imagine IT :d..AND about your claim " When you put limits on the market you put limits on people." NO you just put limits on CAPITALIST RETARDS who are blinded by greed .
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "free of what, debt ? " Is that all your pea brain can think of. I am free from debt. I don't owe anyone a dime. There are lots of people who live their lives free from debt.
"capitalists who destroy there planet" Have you taken a look at China lately? They are the least capitalist nation on the planet and the most polluted. In a free market consumer demand can and does force business to produce green products.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 But the point is is that the freer the market the more prosperity for everyone. It is just a historical fact that that moron apparently overlooked or is just plain ignorant of. Even when there is a modest change to free up the market the economy grows. It is historical fact if you would ever care to look it up.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Suppose you and your 0.0000099% at Loserpalosa get your way and bring capitalism down, what types of draconian controls are you going to put on people so that they never buy and sell anything? When capitalism is down and the wheels of production grind to a halt what how are you going to keep 300 million Americans from starving to death? How will you clothe them?
You say you haven't studied other forms of government, which government type will you recommend that we adopt?
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty nice that you only think about Americans but we have a system that works every day we use items from it...we use knowledge from this system....the society will work and do the things that SCIENCE tells us to do..and now i think you want attack science right :D well i would be careful..BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN THE WOLRD AGAINST YOU THAT ARE MADE BY SCIENTISTS LIKE R.Dawkins...S. Harris..N.Tyson and many more in defence of science against creatsionist..OWNED
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "the society will work and do the things that SCIENCE tells us to do" Like I said you intend to make slaves of us all.
I believe in individual liberty, where the individual makes his or her own decisions and not some pointy headed nitwit who has never met me. The smartest "expert" any government can produce only has about 1% of the collective knowledge of any given society.
I don't want your "scientists" telling me how to live my life, that's socialism. I choose free will!
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty now you either dont read or you dont think ... your claim " don't want your "scientists" telling me how to live my life, that's socialism. I choose free will! "...and my claim was that peopel will do what science tells us to do...NOT SCIENTIST ...you idiot....I AM TALKIG ABOUT THE method which we thank The human race knowledge...and PLS DONT INSULT SCIENTISTs :d THIS will make you sound like creationists :) in other words a retard..i will explain more in the next comment
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 So trust in science is what you think? What happens when science is wrong? What happens when it get politicized like global warming or evolution. If there are any competing theories they get shut out. That is not the scientific method.
Here's a real "non-sequiter" for you. You keep bring up creationism in an economics debate. Why?
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty see now i pulled you where i needed you because everytime you make a claim AGAINST SCIENCE..you get the refutation that many smart people have made and said whenever STUPID PEOPLE like you attacked science.your claim " What happens when science is wrong? "so? yes science can be wrong (so can be people )but it is still the best system humans have invented BECAUSE YOU SEE scientific achievements everywhere..it is better then MAKING decisions based on OPINIONS like we have now
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "you because everytime you make a claim AGAINST SCIENCE" WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I NEVER MADE ANY SUCH CLAIM. I said that science can and is frequently wrong. Theories are revisited all of the time. What I said is the "politicization" of science. That does not mean that science is wrong it just means that some science has been hijacked to make certain people rich, like Al Gore. When that happens all dissenting scientists are shut out.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty THE POINT HERE IS IN CAsE YOU DONT GET IT...this method is better to arrive at decisions...then what we have now and what you want ..people like make decisions .. yes.. and also many of those people are fucked up...the scientific method works and thats the point....you see it all around....the reason science changes is when new information is presented..look this video made for idiots ( CREATIONISTs ) but i think you need to see it too NAME IS " You Can't Trust Science! "
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "the reason science changes is when new information is presented" YES!! Exactly. That is what I was trying to tell you. Science is always changing. But you were acting like it is static and not dynamic.
Creationists are not idiots. You shouldn't be so judgmental about people you don't know. There are some who are dumb and some who are brilliant. The same is true of darwinists. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them an idiot. Learn that and stop hating.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty " Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them an idiot. " well it is not because someone disagrees with me that i call them idiots IT IS WHAT THEY BELEIVE ABOUT REALITY AND more importantly what they want to do with those believes....i think this video shows what i try to say :D " Why does faith deserve respect? " pls dont defent creationists YOU get all the LOL against you from many famous atheists :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 How do you justify your hatred of capitalism that we are having this conversation on a computer built by capitalists, using an internet connection distributed by capitalists on a web page ran by capitalists? Seems to me you are a bit if a hypocrite.
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system than man has ever thought up. Study history and you cannot avoid that conclusion. It is the ONLY reason why we are not living in caves anymore.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty WELL DUDE STOP YOU WRONG TALK...NO CPITALIST HAS EVER BUILD ANYTHING :d THIS IS THE MOST WRONG THING I EVER HEARED...our technology comes from scientist working to invent better items and methods....and now pls dont calim that they do this becuse of mONEY ....no scientist ever has worked thinking about dollar signts....SO PLS STOP THIS BULL CRAP THAT CAPITALIST BUILD SOMTHING....YOU ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED :d
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 You are a bigger idiot than I thought. You seriously think every innovation came from science??? Have you EVER stepped outside of your house and looked around?
Off the top of my head, Philo T. Farnworth, a potato farmer, invented the Television, he thought of it while plowing his fields. Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Nicola Tesla, etc none of them were scientists. The one thing all great inventors had in common, is that they were capitalists.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty on the contrary Sir...you are the bigger idiot ...again stupid Non sequitur (logic) " The one thing all great inventors had in common, is that they were capitalists. " so you think that the reason this men where inventors was there economic ideology??? are you REALLY RETARDED :d I MEAN IN public people would lol at you :D...what about people who where inventors too and had no or different economic ideology?? i mean your whole argument is so wrong that i think you need help :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "so you think that the reason this men where inventors was there economic ideology??? " YES!!!!!!!! Take away the profit motive and we go back to the horse and buggy. It is just that simple. Why don't you understand that? The profit motive may not be the entire reason why they invent something but it plays a huge part.
If you moved out of your parents basement and got a real job you might understand that, especially if you got married and had kids.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty now you made a huge error " YES!!!!!!!! Take away the profit motive and we go back to the horse and buggy. It is just that simple" GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America etc ( with his profit shit motive) ...and go read about a study called the " Whitehall Study 2 " THE PROFIT MOTIVE means shit.... THEN WOULD ALL BE INVENTORS if it worked...see people invent because they like to do it..nobody did pay Einstein to think about the universe
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America " Part of that is true. We have been infested with socialist and communist parasites who have just about completely destroyed our economy. I'm not talking about just Obama, this has been going on for 100 years. This is causing our businesses to flee the country and innovation and productivity is about that of Europe. This was NOT caused by capitalism.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty THIS WHOLE COMMENT JUST SHOWS HOW... I DONT KNOW STUPID, brainwashed, or just nuts you are....DUDE capitalism CREATES inequality ,,and inequality is bad for humans now science shows that ....AND THATS THE REASON I MENTION THAT " GO LOOK STATISTICS more equal countries are better by inventing then America "...IN FACT not just invention is better but also LOOK THIS VIDEO " Peter Joseph - Social Pathology - Part 1 " you see statistics etc etc capitalism is a cancer
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "DUDE capitalism CREATES inequality" Yes it does. It is also dynamic and is constantly changing. There are rich people who go broke and poor people who get rich and everything in between all of the time. It is based on the amount of effort, persistence and sometimes just dumb luck that changes the financial situation of the individual.
What you propose to replace that is with slavery. Everyone is equally miserable and impoverished.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Okay it is time to end this. A wise man once said. "don't argue with a crazy person, people will not be able to tell the who's the crazy one".
You claim science is on your side, yet you are divorced from it. You claim to be logical but all you offer me is what I know to be impractical and implausible but more important it is destructive.
So I quit. I am not interested in any video by a misguided communist. I could point you to a bunch of vids but it would be pointless.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty you are the one who is crazy irrational...i mean you say that operating society using the scientific method is bad...yet people use science everyday..all that we know about medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, technology is BASED ON SCIENCE but you say science is not good so we let just people DREAM UP decisions LIKE WE HAVE NOW AND I AM CRAZY? pls look this at least part 2..you hear how stupid YOUR LOGIC IS... " Peter Joseph - Social Pathology - Part 2 "
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 I'm not going to continue the discussion but I watched your Peter Joseph video. He lays down a false premise that the free market enslaves us and then build off of that. He claims that business controls all the resources and keeps them away from us but that point is moot when you consider that the purpose of business is turn those resources into a product that we either need or want.
He ignores the fact that businesses purpose is to serve the demands of the consumer.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Thus in a free market system the consumer is free to consume and it is his or her free will that drives business. It frees up the consumer from having to manufacture those goods by themselves.
The more limits placed in the free market the less freedom the fewer choices the consumer has. And the less free business is to satisfy the demands of the consumer.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 The greatest pollution on the planet does NOT come from those who are free but from those who are enslaved by their gov'ernment. This is another flaw in his argument. He ignores reality. Look at the many countries around the world where the people have little or no freedom, in those countries you find the greatest amount of pollution, in the air, water and land. That is just an observable fact. He obfuscates that fact because if his opposition to individual liberty and (cont)
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 ...centralized government body to regulate individuals. This is social planning, this is social justice. It is to enslave us to a body who claim to know better how our lives are to be ran than our ownselves.
In the history of mankind only about 5% of the people have ever known any type of freedom. The rest have been slaves to a king or government in some form or another. This is because there will always be people who seek to control other people. (cont)
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty HIS POINTS are SUPPORTed by MANY SPECIALISTS and Scientist like he quoted...he showed statistics that all are proof for his claims .he mention scietific studies that are also proof..i mean dude who here ignores reality:D. the problem with you is that you either dont know what is a valid claim or you just deliberately say stupid things like you do..but i think you just are ignorant about the world..low education..if you know less then you make stupid claims like you do
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 "HIS POINTS are SUPPORTed by MANY SPECIALISTS and Scientist"
SO ARE MY POINTS. HIS AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE PROMOTING THAT IDEOLOGY ARE WRONG. THEY WERE PROVEN WRONG 100 YEARS AGO BUT THEY WON'T LET IT GO.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty you claim that your points are supported too??? well pls tell me what scientist PROVES (not says) but PROVES with research that capitalism or free market is good ? you know you will never find anything because the only thing science shows is that a society where you have ( capitalism free maket ) is not healthy for humans....you have nothing against my claims to say ....just your empty claims...and claims without evidence have no meaning...so PISS OFF RETARD
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 In this country we are not only part of the fortunate 5% but we happen to live in the freest system of government ever created by mankind.
It is people like Peter Joseph who try to discredit the value of freedom of the individual and supplant it with freedom of the collective. He himself may not even be aware of that because he may have been sold a bill of goods that starts with devaluing individual liberty. Stalin called these people "useful idiots".
I finished arguing with you
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 But don't worry. All your dreams are about to come true. Obama is working on bypassing the constitution so he can finally collapse the economy. George Soros, the money behind Obama and behind Loserpalosa, has set himself up to get richer by the collapse of the worlds economy.
You will have all the joys of living in poverty digging for scraps of food because that evil nasty capitalism will be brought down and replaced with communism. Good luck
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 When the Progressives infested our government in the early 20th century they were more than happy to work with large corporations. They saw it as a stepping stone to Fascism. They disregarded the Constitution and thus began corporatism in the US.
Throw out the Progressives and the cancer will die. Unfortunately Progressives are in both parties. The Dems are exclusively Progressive but the Repubs have their fair share of them like the Bush's.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Ok so you don't "worship" any political philosophy but you off hand dismiss capitalism. How did that happen? What convinced you that capitalism is bad? Why is it evil to offer something in trade for something else? That is all capitalism is but apparently you find that evil.
Many of our biggest corporations are NOT capitalistic. They collude with the government. Our government was never set up to get involved in business. It is corrupt politicians that promoted this.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty any system CAPITALISM,COMMUNISM,FASCISM,SOCIALISM is corrupt in there basic strukture BECAUSE they USE MONEY and if you have a system that uses only one form of "item" to buy other items like money then you get corruption and many other problems. Now why i dont like capitalism the most?? well capitalism is a form of cancer taht will destroy this planet. Of all ISMS capitalism is the most antyhuman system that ever created...and scientific research proves this :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Capitalism is not a cancer. It is the natural state of humanity. The exchange of goods and/or services is just a part of mankind's natural behavior.
I cannot believe how naive you are. What are you suggesting to replace capitalism? Please don't tell me you are an anarchist because I know real anarchists and they are more free market advocates than I am. I seriously think you haven't thought through much beyond your hatred of Wall Street.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty your claim " Capitalism is not a cancer. It is the natural state of humanity " where is the evidence for that claim?? again you just make claims with no evidence...you just claim that it is NATURAL FOR HUMANS and somehow you think this is evidence..SORRY NO..capitalism is a MADE UP SYSTEM ...it has nothing to do with the natural world in fact it is the enemy of all life.....by the way go and read " The Cancer Stage Of Capitalism " :)
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 Just look around. From early childhood kids will barter with each other for items in their school lunch or toys. No one told them to do it they just did. The concept of exchanging an item of value for another item of value has been a basic part of mankind since the beginning.
WAKE UP!!!
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty omg read your ignorant shit " Just look around. From early childhood kids will barter with each other for items in their school lunch or toys. " ahahahahah ever heard what scientific evidence is.. :D i am talking about that not some made up evidence from you ..you know why this example is stupid? well it is because you forget that this kids grow up in a system that creates this behavior and NOT ALL KIDS barter ...you need more sir:D
thelion2430 4 months ago
@thelion2430 I am talking about observable behavior. Capitalism is how mankind naturally behaves in a civilized society. I suppose in your barbarian world you would just take what you need from whomever you wanted. Well judging from the signs I have been seeing at all the Loserpalosas around the country I guess stealing whatever you want is what you guys are all about.
HoldingOnToLiberty 4 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty it is nice that you just described capitalism :D when you started talking about barbarian world :D and again pls dont make empty claims like " Capitalism is how mankind naturally behaves in a civilized society " again where is the scientific evidence that this is how mankind naturally behaves...i would be very careful because i dont think you know anything about science or what is natural for humans...PLS SHUT UP SIR your unsupported claims make you look soooo stupid.
thelion2430 4 months ago