No, I stand by my statement. This video shows someone who has very little to no attitude control and swims quite badly even for a beginner. As a NAUI Instructor we teach people how to swim before anything else, our Scuba Diver certification also includes Skin Diver certification and is one reason why our classes are longer. Confidence banishes Fear in many cases.
LOL yeah school4life but there are good scuba diving stories on the net. My favourite is the myscubastory site.
They have dive accident stories, shark dive encounter stories, wreck discovery stories, and so on. THey have lots of videos on the previous topics too! Type myscubastory into google and its the first one. Let me know what you think!
It looks to me her training was inadequate in some, probably several areas. Panic or not it looks like she can barely swim in fins. Some people need more training than others, the instructor probably let her down and this is the result. Looks like they even let her charge to the surface.
@Fluorodive -- First rule is to take care of yourself -- if someone is panicking and you grab their leg to slow them down you can flare to create more drag, after that, you let go and meet them on the surface
@Fluorodive It's very easy to retrospectively disect this to point out failings. But without knowing the diver's normal behaviour and abilities, I think it a tad premature to lay blame on her instructor. Panic situations are exactly that...PANIC! One of the classic symptoms of stress-onsett is untidy and disorganised swimming...mind preoccupied with stressor(s). So I think you may want to reconsider that statement, don't you?
It looks to me her training was inadequate in some, probably several areas. Panic or not it looks like she can barely swim in fins. Some people need more training than others, the instructor probably let her down and this is the result. .
@Fluorodive If people panic and try to bolt, they aren't thinking rationally (due to the panic) and tend to forget how to execute a proper kick, usually by bicycle kicking as shown here which has very poor propulsion.
@Sargethepyromaniac in all respect to each of our armchair observations -- notice there is a cut in the video. She was swimming terribly even for a beginner, then a cut presumably boring more of the same, then the panic rising from the bottom. I don't think this was a "CO2 hit". I think this student was not prepared for diving and problems result. It's barely even a very serious panic, the diver was responsive to the horn and bad panics know nothing but survival.
CO2 panic sucks !!! I got it at 40meter My feelings of the experience started when the water temperature dropped from 24c down to 19c on the decent the feeling i had was rapid breathing my heart rate shot up felt like it was gonna burst out my chest i felt really on edge and confused it felt like i was only getting a small amount of air thanks to my buddy he grabbed me and dragged my ass up to around 30 meters after about 1 min of deep breaths the feelings had gone. i almost shit my wet suit LOL
As a starter at 25m once I felt terrible pain in my ear, that I signaled my buddy. The team started ascending. I had also problems with the mask getting filled up with water. I emptied the mask and started slow ascending. Little bit later, I lost my periferial vision that I know its CO2 buildup. Thanks to the self awareness I started to check myself. I figured out that Im paddling up like a motor that I wasnt aware of. Filled the BCD bit and stoped everything. Few sec later everything was fine.
yes fightsharkfishing24 but there are good scuba accident sites on the web too. try the myscubastory site. They have all sorts of dive stories and accident videos there. type myscubasory into google and its the first one. enjoy
Couldn't over breathing the system lead to heart attack? I have been thinking about getting into diving and lately feel glad that I got into triathlon first. My heartrate is about 60 sitting and stays around 120 when working hard.
@slunkmonky You're not going to get a heart attack from diving. If you take a PADI/NAUI course at your local SCUBA shop and learn what needs to be learned you will not have any issues. All you have to do is dive within your limits, start out easy (aside from your mandatory pool dives) dive in the carribean at a spot where there's little to no current. Current isn't bad though, many people just have issues because they swim against it, rather than using it to their benefit. You will love it.
happened to me once diving with an x-navy seal that had a really fast pace so i stopped every thing and took deep breath and hugged a rock and stayed till i was back to normal
yea hottiesurfing24 but there are also quite good dive stories on the net too . try the myscubastory site. type myscubastory into google and its the first one
It became clear to me very quickly when learning to dive the importance of avoiding overexertion. It's funny how beginners will kick and kick to avoid hitting the bottom, rather than just sorting out their bouyancy with their BCD.
If I was an instructor I'd highlight how, when above water being active is a seen as good thing and laziness bad; while below water, the opposite is true.
I hate how much I know exactly what that felt like.
90' lifting a truck from the muck of an Oligotrophic lake, 3' visibility at most (with lights) and 45 deg F. Descending my fin and leg became tangled in a new buoy line run to mark out 30" from the truck, the line was loose and not hitched yet. Also towing a full bottle along, lost the A90 while cutting free. 2 minutes down, tangled, stressed, overwhelmed (rented) equipment issues. I ascended, not calmly and am one very lucky guy.
I think frithwks. is correct. This is simply a case of someone diving who does not know how to dive. Co2 built up because you panicked. You did not panic because of Co2
@dvtdoc Generally CO2 is built up from breathing shallow. Most people will breathe shallow when they are panicked. So first comes panic then comes CO2 build up. There may be exceptions to this and if so please enlighten me.
@mjobrien69: but your body produces CO2. And at higher partial pressures (i.e., when submerged) it can cause problems if it's not efficiently cleared from lungs.
@mjobrien69: but your body produces CO2. And at higher partial pressures (i.e., when submerged) it can cause problems if it's not efficiently cleared from lungs.
Panic is a scary thing, it comes on so quick and its so hard to keep focus. My reg wasn't giving me enough air once at 15m and all you want to do it just jump to the surface. But luckily I remembered my training and tried to keep as much focus as possible to slowly ascend to the surface. Then to find out that my second stage was in surface mode. We all learn from our mistakes.
Overexertion on the dive or shallow breathing results in CO2 buildup which suddenly results in breathlesness. You think the reg won't deliver enough air and if it gets to you you will start to panic which creates even more CO2. When it happened to me I genuinely thought I was going to die - the urge to take out the reg and breath seawater was almost overpowering - anything to fill my lungs, The remedy = stop everything and BREATH - full lungfulls and breath out fully too. Get a grip or die!
I experienced it unfortunately during one of my earlier current dives. Current was strong, i could not handle it, wastes a lot of energy on swimming against the current and started to panic as i felt that i did not get enough air anymore. As Ponybottle said. STOP EVERYTHING, breathe, break the panic. I was lucky enough to have a good instructor who knew this and acted accordingly. If i would've been without him, i would've shot up to the surface from 30 meters deep.
The problem with panicing is that you *aren't* getting enough air to sustain your panic. Regulators give plenty of air, but can't sustain hyperventilation, which adds to the panic.
It takes experience or a calm personality to cope. Someone else's, if not your own.
@ponybottle Happened to me too after I went down to 20 metres far too quickly trying to catch up with my 2 dive mates who had gone without me, I had to do an emergency ascent after I had a panic attack and fortunately made it to the surface without exploding my lungs !
@WolfieTed CO2 - the byproduct of your own metabolism - it's build up is one of the triggers causing you to feel the need to breath. When you find you need to exert yourself and CO2 levels are already high then you can be quickly overwhelmed with a need for more air. Although modern regs are great at delivering air on demand the diver will often feel they are not getting enough and are in danger of suffocation. The resulting panic only intensifies the feeling. Nitrogen will impair judgement.
@ponybottle Well said and thanks for posting, bro...
Happened to me in a dive tank , thank God I was able to get a grip on my panic( dude, you are in 5 feet of water, breathe...) and proceed with the skill exercises - good lesson indeed on how your own brain can kill you.
Hmm.. CO2 panic is a shit. I've had it but I didn't surface for it but it was essential to stop and continue deep concentrated breathing until it cleared. It's one of those things in diving you have to force yourself to do no matter what.
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Cool, maybe she will get a embolism. Then she at least has an excuse for acting frikin retarded. How much training do hobby-lobbers like this actually get? Does ANYONE ever fail the training?
No, I stand by my statement. This video shows someone who has very little to no attitude control and swims quite badly even for a beginner. As a NAUI Instructor we teach people how to swim before anything else, our Scuba Diver certification also includes Skin Diver certification and is one reason why our classes are longer. Confidence banishes Fear in many cases.
Fluorodive 2 months ago
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LOL yeah school4life but there are good scuba diving stories on the net. My favourite is the myscubastory site.
They have dive accident stories, shark dive encounter stories, wreck discovery stories, and so on. THey have lots of videos on the previous topics too! Type myscubastory into google and its the first one. Let me know what you think!
seasnake321 5 months ago
shouldnt she not be using her hands at all
ddxjon 5 months ago
It looks to me her training was inadequate in some, probably several areas. Panic or not it looks like she can barely swim in fins. Some people need more training than others, the instructor probably let her down and this is the result. Looks like they even let her charge to the surface.
Fluorodive 6 months ago
@Fluorodive -- First rule is to take care of yourself -- if someone is panicking and you grab their leg to slow them down you can flare to create more drag, after that, you let go and meet them on the surface
eloy05679 5 months ago
@Fluorodive It's very easy to retrospectively disect this to point out failings. But without knowing the diver's normal behaviour and abilities, I think it a tad premature to lay blame on her instructor. Panic situations are exactly that...PANIC! One of the classic symptoms of stress-onsett is untidy and disorganised swimming...mind preoccupied with stressor(s). So I think you may want to reconsider that statement, don't you?
K1w1scot 2 months ago
It looks to me her training was inadequate in some, probably several areas. Panic or not it looks like she can barely swim in fins. Some people need more training than others, the instructor probably let her down and this is the result. .
Fluorodive 6 months ago
@Fluorodive If people panic and try to bolt, they aren't thinking rationally (due to the panic) and tend to forget how to execute a proper kick, usually by bicycle kicking as shown here which has very poor propulsion.
Sargethepyromaniac 3 weeks ago
@Sargethepyromaniac in all respect to each of our armchair observations -- notice there is a cut in the video. She was swimming terribly even for a beginner, then a cut presumably boring more of the same, then the panic rising from the bottom. I don't think this was a "CO2 hit". I think this student was not prepared for diving and problems result. It's barely even a very serious panic, the diver was responsive to the horn and bad panics know nothing but survival.
Fluorodive 3 weeks ago
@Fluorodive True, and very bad kicking :P
Sargethepyromaniac 3 weeks ago
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seasnake321 7 months ago
CO2 panic sucks !!! I got it at 40meter My feelings of the experience started when the water temperature dropped from 24c down to 19c on the decent the feeling i had was rapid breathing my heart rate shot up felt like it was gonna burst out my chest i felt really on edge and confused it felt like i was only getting a small amount of air thanks to my buddy he grabbed me and dragged my ass up to around 30 meters after about 1 min of deep breaths the feelings had gone. i almost shit my wet suit LOL
GrahamHobbsuk 7 months ago 2
As a starter at 25m once I felt terrible pain in my ear, that I signaled my buddy. The team started ascending. I had also problems with the mask getting filled up with water. I emptied the mask and started slow ascending. Little bit later, I lost my periferial vision that I know its CO2 buildup. Thanks to the self awareness I started to check myself. I figured out that Im paddling up like a motor that I wasnt aware of. Filled the BCD bit and stoped everything. Few sec later everything was fine.
somethingirreversib 7 months ago
yes fightsharkfishing24 but there are good scuba accident sites on the web too. try the myscubastory site. They have all sorts of dive stories and accident videos there. type myscubasory into google and its the first one. enjoy
seasnake321 8 months ago
I had it happen to me at 70m, thank god my buddy was there to pull me out...Always blamed Nitrogen over Co2...but hey....
WolfieTed 8 months ago
Couldn't over breathing the system lead to heart attack? I have been thinking about getting into diving and lately feel glad that I got into triathlon first. My heartrate is about 60 sitting and stays around 120 when working hard.
slunkmonky 9 months ago
@slunkmonky You're not going to get a heart attack from diving. If you take a PADI/NAUI course at your local SCUBA shop and learn what needs to be learned you will not have any issues. All you have to do is dive within your limits, start out easy (aside from your mandatory pool dives) dive in the carribean at a spot where there's little to no current. Current isn't bad though, many people just have issues because they swim against it, rather than using it to their benefit. You will love it.
odawgy01 8 months ago
happened to me once diving with an x-navy seal that had a really fast pace so i stopped every thing and took deep breath and hugged a rock and stayed till i was back to normal
almostalways803 9 months ago
yea hottiesurfing24 but there are also quite good dive stories on the net too . try the myscubastory site. type myscubastory into google and its the first one
marinefish321 10 months ago
It became clear to me very quickly when learning to dive the importance of avoiding overexertion. It's funny how beginners will kick and kick to avoid hitting the bottom, rather than just sorting out their bouyancy with their BCD.
If I was an instructor I'd highlight how, when above water being active is a seen as good thing and laziness bad; while below water, the opposite is true.
sreymind 10 months ago
Meep meeep, and she's gone ;-)
SLagerZahne 11 months ago
was she ok or did she die
doug747pilots 1 year ago
I hate how much I know exactly what that felt like.
90' lifting a truck from the muck of an Oligotrophic lake, 3' visibility at most (with lights) and 45 deg F. Descending my fin and leg became tangled in a new buoy line run to mark out 30" from the truck, the line was loose and not hitched yet. Also towing a full bottle along, lost the A90 while cutting free. 2 minutes down, tangled, stressed, overwhelmed (rented) equipment issues. I ascended, not calmly and am one very lucky guy.
definedsuccess 1 year ago
Normal, Slow, Relaxed Deep Breathing. You should have paid more attention in your course or your Instructor failed to highlight.
FOscum 1 year ago
get more scuba diving stories on the myscubastory site . Type myscubastory into google and its the first one
SuperEasytiger 1 year ago
its kida funny seeing them try swim up while the intrsctor try comes them down
B0rnToRoll 1 year ago
@B0rnToRoll Not funny at all as your lungs can explode or you can get the bends !
jfunkfinger69 11 months ago
I think frithwks. is correct. This is simply a case of someone diving who does not know how to dive. Co2 built up because you panicked. You did not panic because of Co2
dav1492 1 year ago
@dav1492 wrong
dvtdoc 11 months ago
@dvtdoc Generally CO2 is built up from breathing shallow. Most people will breathe shallow when they are panicked. So first comes panic then comes CO2 build up. There may be exceptions to this and if so please enlighten me.
dav1492 11 months ago
@mjobrien69: but your body produces CO2. And at higher partial pressures (i.e., when submerged) it can cause problems if it's not efficiently cleared from lungs.
NajNilak 1 year ago
Well there's only air in your SCUBA tank.. therefore you didn't take a "CO2" hit
mjobrien69 1 year ago
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@mjobrien69: but your body produces CO2. And at higher partial pressures (i.e., when submerged) it can cause problems if it's not efficiently cleared from lungs.
NajNilak 1 year ago
Try not swimming with your hands, retard.
FTBoogie 1 year ago
Panic is a scary thing, it comes on so quick and its so hard to keep focus. My reg wasn't giving me enough air once at 15m and all you want to do it just jump to the surface. But luckily I remembered my training and tried to keep as much focus as possible to slowly ascend to the surface. Then to find out that my second stage was in surface mode. We all learn from our mistakes.
230jjordan 1 year ago
those waters dont even look atracctive for diving
280az 2 years ago 4
@280az
Well, in my country you can dive only in lakes. And most of them is darker then this one.
TheNowylepszyszatan 1 year ago
Like I always say, Man wasn't built for water, yet we wonder why crap like this happens, then we mourn the stupid.
df9909 2 years ago
i don't mourn you - should it?
Flyingthings12 2 years ago
Then don't take a plane either, genius
CarMoves 2 years ago
Does anyone know if diving on nitrox, ie 32% reduces Co2 buildup, or is it JUST the CO2 in the lungs causing the burning feeling.
MASTERPPA 2 years ago
I don't think 11% extra will help that much. But I'm no expert.
paronfisk 2 years ago
Horror.
Its problem is described in textbook PADI course OWD. lol
Wrong distribution of cargo - compels to move more. It could not even lay down in horizon to recover the breath)
Its place in pool.
And the partner has in vain ignored its problem (he could see it it too obviously)
Sonc11 2 years ago
been there
jurgenmanfred 2 years ago
what exactly is co2 panic?
Valca000 2 years ago
Overexertion on the dive or shallow breathing results in CO2 buildup which suddenly results in breathlesness. You think the reg won't deliver enough air and if it gets to you you will start to panic which creates even more CO2. When it happened to me I genuinely thought I was going to die - the urge to take out the reg and breath seawater was almost overpowering - anything to fill my lungs, The remedy = stop everything and BREATH - full lungfulls and breath out fully too. Get a grip or die!
ponybottle 2 years ago 36
I experienced it unfortunately during one of my earlier current dives. Current was strong, i could not handle it, wastes a lot of energy on swimming against the current and started to panic as i felt that i did not get enough air anymore. As Ponybottle said. STOP EVERYTHING, breathe, break the panic. I was lucky enough to have a good instructor who knew this and acted accordingly. If i would've been without him, i would've shot up to the surface from 30 meters deep.
Samurailord 2 years ago 20
@Samurailord
The problem with panicing is that you *aren't* getting enough air to sustain your panic. Regulators give plenty of air, but can't sustain hyperventilation, which adds to the panic.
It takes experience or a calm personality to cope. Someone else's, if not your own.
fvschie 2 years ago 2
@Samurailord Yeap, my instructor's got a word: parepiac (in spanish: para, piensa, respira, actua)...it's just like 'stop, think, breathe, act'
Riveena 1 year ago
@ponybottle
Legendary last statement
TheVvilson 1 year ago
@ponybottle Happened to me too after I went down to 20 metres far too quickly trying to catch up with my 2 dive mates who had gone without me, I had to do an emergency ascent after I had a panic attack and fortunately made it to the surface without exploding my lungs !
jfunkfinger69 11 months ago
@jfunkfinger69 Lucky ! - glad it worked out for you. Funny how this subject doesn't get more coverage in the formal courses.
ponybottle 11 months ago
@ponybottle CO2 or Nitrogen mate?
WolfieTed 8 months ago
@WolfieTed CO2 - the byproduct of your own metabolism - it's build up is one of the triggers causing you to feel the need to breath. When you find you need to exert yourself and CO2 levels are already high then you can be quickly overwhelmed with a need for more air. Although modern regs are great at delivering air on demand the diver will often feel they are not getting enough and are in danger of suffocation. The resulting panic only intensifies the feeling. Nitrogen will impair judgement.
ponybottle 8 months ago
@ponybottle - made exactly the same experience at 30m depth - don't want that to happen again.
domiffa 7 months ago 2
@ponybottle Well said and thanks for posting, bro...
Happened to me in a dive tank , thank God I was able to get a grip on my panic( dude, you are in 5 feet of water, breathe...) and proceed with the skill exercises - good lesson indeed on how your own brain can kill you.
Get a grip, get a breath or die! Too true...
deltalions 6 months ago
@deltalions Glad it worked out for you.
ponybottle 6 months ago
@ponybottle Been there, done that, had the rescue toe-back.
K1w1scot 2 months ago
Probably a mistake from the instructors who tought she was ready ..... That behaviour proves she has no experience enough for that kind of diving.
Under panic each human being shows its real nature.
Banduenga 2 years ago 2
Hmm.. CO2 panic is a shit. I've had it but I didn't surface for it but it was essential to stop and continue deep concentrated breathing until it cleared. It's one of those things in diving you have to force yourself to do no matter what.
Baddeco 2 years ago 3
I am glad I don't feel the need to go do such foolishness. Now if you will excuse me I'm going to give my neo-nazi speech down in Patterson.
MyaHolburnz 2 years ago
lol
Conquestidore 2 years ago
wats a CO2 hit and wat does it feel like to be 'hit' by one?
theunraveler 2 years ago 2
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Cool, maybe she will get a embolism. Then she at least has an excuse for acting frikin retarded. How much training do hobby-lobbers like this actually get? Does ANYONE ever fail the training?
Way to buddy-breathe there, Bottlerocket.
duanedragon2 3 years ago
Where were you diving??
sourdoughress 3 years ago
CO2 hit on OC?
scubacaver 3 years ago
Keep swinging those arms im sure it will help get the CO2 out of her system.
r0ck3tsm0k3 3 years ago 3
She doesn't realize it.
paronfisk 2 years ago
very cute whoever she is
funlovingreek2007 3 years ago
Hope she didn't get the bends
hyroglyphx 3 years ago
Fairly good example of exertion + CO2 leading to panic.
gnirtSs 3 years ago 2