CrossTalk on terrorism: Al-Qaeda Inc.

[hannofwanneroo]

i like this robert fisk

[pedro270569]

lawrence korb is a very sick liar who is at best poorly educated

[pedro270569]

obama nothing more than bush on steroids concerning foreign policy

[SubwayDubstep]

why is that bald guy working on a such a important spot? ow yeah cause he's a retard

[RevolutionNewsDotUS2]

14 minutes into the video and not a peep about the CIA???

[USisfuckedup]

You cannot address any Muslim by saying " Hi! Bin xxxxxx".

Bin Laden means: son of Laden.

I can't call Robert as "son of Fisk".

Your American naming system is not UNIVERSAL, and this confirms America's ignorance and lack of respect for other religions.

In the Muslim world, it is silly and nonsensical to call any Muslim "Bin Mustafa, or Bin Ibrahim etc". This is totally wrong. Doesn't make sense at all.

It's better to use his FULL name Osama bin Laden or just OSAMA.

[dancebaby808]

Robert Fisk, a rare voice of truth and reason.

[gar77772221able1]

@slfen personally i think you cant hide your prejudice when you make a that statement. The criticism of israel behaviour is completely valid (no arab country occupies another illegally, were we watching the same video i think we were). As well i think its highly ignorant to claim that you no more than a extremely well respected journalist like robert fisk who has spent the best part of his life reporting on the middle east and clearly cares about the well being of the region unlike the west.

[jeepers2655]

Al C.I.A .da....that`s what Bush was referring to.....not AL KAY DA ....as he always said.

[absleo]

yes you are right about the injustice for poor muslims lands?



[treon123456]

GOOGLE 'TIM OSMON' OR JUST WATCH 'FABLED ENEMIES'....'BENIZER BUTTO' SAID BIN LADEN WAS DEAD LONG AGO (ON FROST) AND THEY(C.I.A.)CAPPED HER ASS....AL-C.I.A.-DA IS A PRODUCTION OF BREZINSKI AND THE C.I.A....TO REPLACE THE SOVIET UNION AS A REASON TO ENRICH THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX/BANKERS/OIL FAMILIES,KEEP OUR TROOPS IN THE MIDEAST TO DIE FOR ISRAEL...911 WAS MOSSAD/NEOCONS...SEE 'FABLED ENEMIES'...'911~MISSING LINKS~ISRAEL'....REV.12:9 'SATAN IS MISLEADING THE ENTIRE WORLD'..RESEARCH!

[trollfinger]

@treon123456

But why is her saying he is dead more believable then say, Robert Fisk saying he is alive ?

[pedro270569]

bin laden is the same thing as Keiser Soze on usual suspects movie with kevin spacey-the farse continues

[slfen]

Fisk is the typical idealist with blinders on about reality. It's so easy to blame Israel for the cowardly dispicable actions of muslim terrorists while completly ignoring that wherever there is Islam worst kind of atrocities are simply common place. It's the old if give the terrorists something they want they will be nice to us attitude. Chamberlain acted the same way with hitler

[parshiwal887]

@slfen .. israel has violated more than 70 UN resolutions since 1970... couple it with illegal siege of gaza and you know who the terrorists are... you give these terrorists states of israel and US a free hand and world as a whole in danger

[ninjavanish84]

@parshiwal887 The problem is that the US is still the most powerful country in the world and they own the UN. When you talk about the UN you're essentially talking about the US. And Israel, or US Jr., is the most powerful country in the Arab world, thanks to the US.

[Wuzzi55]

"Public opinion polls from Afghanistan" lmao

RIght on Peter...

[goonga1001]

He's wrong when he says Bin Laden didn't care about the Israel-Palestine issue. The part was omitted from the hearing of the 9-11 Commission report shown on T.V but later surfaced on the web. I'm pretty sure it's here on Youtube.

[FreedumbFighter28]

I just want to point out one more thing.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY

2+2=5 if the state says so yes?

WTC7 Shows none of the characteristic as a controlled demolition...why?...the state says so.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

Welcome to 1984....so i think the american spokesman Laurence Kobes',--? perception is a little off...and by a little I mean a lot and by off i mean no where near reality.

[trollfinger]

It's not terrorism that frightens me, it's the fallout of the years after attacks like 9/11. Next year is the ten year anniversary of it ! and look at the wars that were waged because of it. Iraq is destroyed, Afghanistan is turning into a bigger quagmire than Iraq, Yemen said (only yesterday) that the US have bombed targets there. This is something the world can't come back from.

[nemesis700]

they purposely got a stupid dude to debate the position of america. he doesnt even know the facts

[theguvnorjimmy]

Really annoying, the debate had just heated up and we were at the point of a great debate re Israel/Palestine and Al-Qaeda. I really wanted to hear what both were saying as they were having a great debate, then this joker host comes in and goes to a break. Marvelous.

[LadySeraph]

14:20 That dude just said the Iraq War was not necessary. Why the hell are we still there. =_= Oh right . . . oil. Stupid oligarchy! >.<

[whorlo]

So Al Qaeda is a great social organization working for justice?? Are Lavelle and Fisk delusioned?? Excuse me, but the atrocities committed by this organization are also well documented. The problem is not "injustice"...it is religion itself. Muslims don't need the West to dehumanize them, their religion does it for them. If you eradicate religion (Judaism, Islame and Christianity), we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[ballsauce666]

@whorlo

Palestinians know very well what it is like to live under constant terrorism because of the Jewish Extremist Terrorist regime that occupies them.

Israel is the United States adopted rotten brat.

This is a 44 year +++ Israeli Occupation fully funded and supported by the US.

If you do not see this as enough to incite mass hatred towards the West you are blind.

.

[lizarrabaljeu]

@whorlo Slightly over the top mate. Try telling that to the people of former soviet countries who died and starved by the millions at the hands of a secular atheist regime. Linking oppression to religion is as far fetched as linking Hitler to Catholicism.

The problem is that in some way we humans have darker corners in our own souls that make us into complete bastards from time to time. Sometimes justifying it by religion, or by culture, or by economic doctrines or even by ..democracy

[PAULOcbi]

@lizarrabaljeu If Atheism is a religion then OFF is a T.V. channel ,the Soviet regime starved millions but not in the name of Atheism or trying to promote Atheism. Dont mistake political ideology for Atheism just because the politician doesnt believe in the supernatural.

[1N73RC3P7OR]

@lizarrabaljeu I am from a post- soviet country and i gotta say that we did not starve. I dont know what bullshit your government tells you and i dont really care as long as you keep it for yourself. Sorry to tell you the truth but we were living alot better than we are now. Just saying becouse i bet you have never been in a socialist country yet you pretend to know everything about it.

Tell me isnt that ignorant?

[QwidgyboMan]

@lizarrabaljeu

Stalism was not secular nor was it atheistic.

[FreedumbFighter28]

@whorlo <---well that is certainly a different take on the terror problem.

Where do I sign up to illegalize religious fundementalism?

[Lextjaefvel]

Peter Lavelle and Robert Fisk indeed got brains.

But the bald and the bearded... sorry... just fools!

Let's Free the World from evil zionism!!! NOW!!!

[Hkhan23]

bin laden is working for the U.S, he is a cia agent, why do you think he is "eluding" the authorities. this is making me sick, al qaeda is a fable

[elite1980s]

These people go through life as "professionals" and yet pretend that "AL Qaeda" actually exist? Everyone knows that that name was the product of the CIA back in the 1980's. It was the name given to a database(of all things). This term only became used after 9/11 attacks. Who by? The CIA to justify what they did under what was a "False Flag Operation" after the attacks. Any fool could see through the smoke screen created by the US governments dirty deeds for what took place that day.

[Casar1973]

When is the russian coming to run the UN? Remember where you heard it first.

[toourpad]

That bald dude is wrong, bin Laden was always motivated by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[Eye0fTheStorm]

Of-course. His earliest tapes from 1994 he speaks about the Palestinians so much hes practically weeping with emotion

[moyxx030]

To quote Fisk,

"hahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahahaha"

I personally would take Robert Fisk's word on bin Laden, considering he actually interviewed him on the subject before...

[maria2000sk]

I like the quotation!

[Adnowwwwn]

And lol @ the stupid Afghan poll, 70% of Afghans are illiterate, so how the hell did they take this poll? I bet they took it in Kabul which probably has the highest literacy among all the regions in which case the results don't surprise me one bit since the aid money is largely spent on Kabul.

[Adnowwwwn]

@ Robert Fisk: I have never heard more beautiful words. This guy just completely nailed it on why Al Qaeda exists. Its too bad no one will ever share those views and America will continue to march towards the path of self destruction by walking into Osama Bin Laden's trap.

And to correct the bald guy, Osama mentioned Palestine in his '98 declaration of Jihad to the Americans, in fact he got the idea to blow up tall buildings as he saw similar ones destroyed in Lebanon by Israel.

[elucidative]

Al Qaeda is the CIA-Mossad. If anyone doesn't believe that they are a stupid fucking idiot. They were started to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. They were started bt the Military Industrial Complex who are stealing us all blind. Osama is dead. The videos are all fake except for before 911. Wake up man, it is really the Zionists who are the terrorists they did 911 and they were even caught but let go!.

[frank1600]

Korb is a typical Jew who says that Israel didn't start the 67 war. Liar! Thank you to RT for having the best shows on topics that are never spoken about on USA screens.

[wink37]

Lawrence Korb is the classic know-nothing talking head, who makes the rounds on all the mainstream news programs in the United States. He obviously knows nothing about the Middle East.

For example: Around 10:00 he says, "the '67 war was not started by Israel." Uh, yes it was, Lawrence. Israel fired the first shots in that war; it claimed it was acting pre-emptively, but by commencing a military action it was "starting" the war.

[trollfinger]

That's true, they bluffed everyone by saying they were on break and bombed Egypt the next day.

[whereismybailouttv]

Fisk has every right to laugh at him. As always, he's spot on.

And, this is still why the Stateside MSM will continue to censor him.

[generalzeedot]

Bob came, he educated and got a few laughs at the end

[jerrytomo]

Robert Fisk hit the nail on the head in this programe. Still the thing that gets me about RT is that it rightly criticizes American policy in the Muslim world while it completely ignores what Russia has done and is doing in Ingusetia, Dagestan and most of all Chechnya. Again the ad is right on the button about sexual abuse in the US armed forces but says nothing of the wholescale abuse among conscripts in the Russian armed forces.

[WundertGarNichtsMehr]

@jerrytomo

It is a russian tv station. thus it speaks about russia, of course, as the us stations do about the US which You critisize.

[Perussaataja]

could not agree with you more!

[dvalentino007]

al qaeda is a database not a network of m extremist groups. they could put papa smurf on the database and he'd be al qaeda

[johnnycon]

Did he just say right at the end "and remember, Cross Talk rules"? A bit odd and unprofessional. Still, it is a good show though.

[rollsthepaul]

Al Ciada is at the top of the terrorism pyramid.

[genefire]

I can not even explain how embarrassed and frustrated I was about how much our media/talking heads lie,twist,sensationalize,distr­act, etc from the truth, and then this idiot Lawrence talk amongst someone with the willingness to speak the truth and challenge the myth like Robert Fisk it really puts things into perspective on how they view the world. These idiots get away with lying so much on the mainstream circuit that he thought everyone was as ignorant to the facts as my fellow citizens are.

[daisy26000]

Very well said Fisk....5 thumbs up my friend

[PeaceandUnity1972]

@daisy26000

Fisk deserves more

Thumbs uP

By the way..... look at Robert LAUGHING at this JOKER from washington! No more Words needed!!!

[WorldCapitalBeats]

good show

[MrDonsimm]

boring dumb tellyban ban the telly

[barbh1]

Now I remember why I killed my TV.

[Mastirshake]

the camera selecting was nice. throw them a party for a great job

[Ristar85]

Cross Talk is too short. maybe RT should make it an hour.

[jaydog89]

@Ristar85 I 2nd this!!

[fertzz]

clasique ............. CROSSTALK

fenomenal work.

ole ole ole..

[JettoGospel]

Haha...Happy..I'm happy to see thisdeuchbag from washington rediculed...Happy...What a dick!

[JettoGospel]

Down with Bildaberg! Down with Freemasons, Down with NWO!

[freedomisntpolitical]

@JettoGospel if you not joking, we really are fucked

[trollfinger]

Down with Freemasons ?

[JettoGospel]

I meant ..Screw them guys!! I wanna see them go down the gutter! A bit of misinterpretation here..

[bappi11]

Good Show. The Guy from America looked like an idiot and talked like an idiot.

[trollfinger]

When certain "experts" are asked to go on and talk about things like this on T.V, they think their spin angle is the correct one. When you have people like Fisk, who was beaten half to death in Afghanistan in 2001, it always makes for an intresting viewing of just how wrong the "official" line is.

[bigsteelguy]

The war on terror is Fake, it's a war on people, a war on freedom, a war for profit and money, it's a war to keep people in Fear.

Any person who still does not get why we have these problems is either confuised, arogant, lost, psychologically sick, or uneducated.

Al-qaeda is a list that the CIA created so the United States can have an enemy to push and deceive the people of our country and the world to push for world control and to create more profits.

[pedro270569]

@bigsteelguy thx for the truth--very assertive comment

[Wrath0fKhan]

Idealist idiots...

[thedevos1981]

"i wonder if bin laden was made "

Lol of coarse he was c'mon people wake up

[Tressco]

...happy to be occupied...?!

[mokdadmm]

This is a cool chilling debate against America's influence and control over the Middle-East and Muslim World over the excuse of ''terrorism'' made by Bin Laden, assuming that Bin Laden is independently controlled over his action.

I wounder, if Bin Laden was made, controlled, and is still controlled by the America, how would the dialogue be?

[mokdadmm]

This is a cool chilling debate against America's influence and control over the Middle-East and Muslim World over the excuse of ''terrorism'' made by Bin Laden, assuming that Bin Laden is independently controlled over his action.

I wounder, if Bin Laden was made, controlled, and is still controlled by the America, how would the dialogue be?

[eyeswideshuttt]

'As simple as that'.

-Robert Frisk.

[wdcsucks1]

17:09 obama is restrain by the american constitution and thats why he is continuing all of these wars??? man this guy is a liar!!! an effort to demonize the constitution. he even had to caught before he said it cause he knew that a big lie is coming out of his mouth!!!

[Peadarisback]

so if this 'dangerous group' is still there and ploting from inside the US or wheverever why haven't they striked again?

I'll tell you why Obama is a liar like Bush and realizes that Al-Queada is not going to attack anytime soon, Bin Laden is probably dead and the entire "democratic war" is a complete shame...Stupid American goverments

[Peadarisback]

ok let's pretend the "saint like" Obama is right and Al-Queada could strike again (at any given time) why haven't they?

Prior to 9/11 America had a strong (some would say to strong) army....with that army after the hype and propaganda about 9/11 Bush terrorised the middle east, America is stil the same country...if Al-Queada are a huge threat then what's stoping them from attacking even as I type this message? Al-Queada agents hit the twin-towers (planning from inside the states)

[westbroek795]

what will be america s next target.

[Kinkspace]

Exactly, it's not about who we like or dislike, its who can we do business with.

At least we all know where we stand with Russia and vice versa. We have transparent relationships, cos basically they are blunt and to the point, which I personally prefer. They do respect international laws and opinion for the most part, make allowances for cultural differences, way beyond America. And they at least have an awareness of other nations and their people.

[Kinkspace]

This of course is directed at the establishment.

[Kinkspace]

Apologies my below comment should of been a reply to tepstolog, dunno why it did not show as such...

[tepstolog]

wtf is this Robert Fisk(british agent) talking about !!? he thinks everybody is stupid here??

AL-CIAida that is ,is a total fabrication of CIA and it's ilk, in case somebody doesn't know this by now....!

[klard]

tepstolog:  Of course but they still need recruiting tools to dupe people to join up.

[tepstolog]

..he he ...

[Kinkspace]

Apparently the people that need to know it the most have not quite gotten the message.

Do you have any idea how "filtered" information can be in the US.

I was there not long ago, I was channel hopping as you do cos theres nothing but entertainment type news for the most part, I watched a BBC report that I had already seen in the UK not only was it censored it was re cut to portray a slightly different message more favorable to the right. I was astonished.

[tepstolog]

yeah I Am totally aware of it, I've been to the states , a few times . Anyways; I still think that RT is one of the best channels , that I know of , these days...,..worth watching...........

[Kinkspace]

Agreed, I'm aware that everyone has their own version of reality so I try to watch News from all over the world. RT is one of my favorites, they may well be perceived to be focusing on issues many Americans either cannot or do not want to address but I think thats a good thing and raises awareness.

RT often demonstrates that which we all know but other News channels are to politically correct, or afraid to address.

[FrankinHolland]

I am pretty sure we would still be at war with Islam without Israeli atrocities but Israel certainly doesn't help the situation any.

[danben72]

As Robert Fisk has been saying for so long and keeps on saying (as seen during the discussion), we (the West) are the problem and unless we realise that if we keep pouring oil into the fire of Al-Qaeda we can give every citizen of the Middle East a personal guard and this won't prevent terrorism the slightest bit!

We just need to compete on technology to win this competition.UAE & Co. have to sell their black gold to us if they want to prosper or even survive.

[Jlennon08]

BBC now admits al qaeda never existed: Search for this YT Video: r-hYorNi0nA The US Cabal invented it in January 2001 to be able to indict Osama as the Head of an Organization. They name every angry Muslim in the world as Alqaida.

Same as every Afgan opositor as TALIBAN.

[smasila]

Moral of the story of AVATAR. When the USA occupies another country for its natural resources and the native population fights back. The native population is considered terrorists. US policy makes me sick.

[Scarecrow0089]

Excellent CrossTalk. Thanks to the crew !

[14842]

If Al-Qaeda and all Muslim extremists want to win and Really want to have justice and serve Allah, Muslim faith save the world, they have to stop now and just disappear for 2,5 years. Dont be a CIA Pentagon puppet.

[Yamakashi1]

why was nobody saying how the bush administration IS hypocritical when it was in power

and that's not just a linear question.

what about obama

[Kinkspace]

I think your preaching to the converted, it's only the right wing creationists, of which there are many in the US that believe Bush. Thank God they are at least contained :)

As for Obama... It does not matter who the USA elect, the senate and congress are owned, and it's not by the people they profess to represent. He can do nothing within the system he has inherited, he is a figure head only. Which is really sad.

[Yamakashi1]

well thats the point

thank you for giving us a firm grasp on the obvious.

thing is ... What next?

[Kinkspace]

Gawd knows I'm hoping the sane & balanced of the US will strive to sort out its internal problems of political economic corruption. I'm not holding my breath.

The internet is a pluss, it has no boarders so America is not as isolated for information. Obama may not of been elected without people all over the world putting forward alternative information & views.

We'll just have to keep corrupting the creationist and far right with logic and reason. Sort of reverse engineer their brain washing.

[Yamakashi1]

ur brainwashed as well

nobody cares about left or right or religion ,what r u even talkin about

[Kinkspace]

Yes of course and at your grand age of 24 is there anything you do not know?

Have you ever left Finland let alone lived in the States?

Or any other country?

I have seen you trolling on RTD and have some weired personal grip towards Russians. Weird.

I am interested to know if there is anything you don't know or have an opinion on?

[Yamakashi1]

nope.

[Yamakashi1]

"and have some weired personal grip towards"

i have what :/

[Kinkspace]

...apologies should read gripe, sticky key.

[Yamakashi1]

i dun gripe, i just tell it how it is

[MonkeyMagic88]

Robert Fisk is a British Intelligence Operative and disinformation specialist.

Bin Laden was working with the CIA for years in Afghanistan.

Al-CIA-da is a Mossad/CIA joint project... Robert Fisk mixes a little truth with alot of BULLSHIT , this is his trick , he's trained to do it.

[Kinkspace]

Uhum whilst that may or may not be the case do you have anything constructive to add to the debate?

And apologies for pointing out the obvious but i think you could safely say that about any member of the human race including yourself.

[amaqula]

Remember secular western governments are only against Islamic terrorism - they are NOT against peaceful demogrpahic takeover by Islam! In fact they are paving the way for it!

Only a CATHOLIC STATE will resist your demogrpahic wipeout and Islamisation at the hands of idiot secular governance! You get more than you bargained for with a secular government - watch out!

[DesmoRob]

Al-Qaeda = HOAX!

[ShadesofScorpius]

Excellent talk! Excellent video. I love the comments made by Robert Fisk! He makes amazing and clear points.

Washington shill: "They're happy to be occupied" HAHAHAHA!!!! OMG.

[Drean021]

The Power of Nightmares

watch?v=f48isu1KT-8

[greywolf4744]

i love robert fisk

[PointOnACurve]

Does anyone know why the world community doesn't just either A) let Isreal and Palestine share the region, or B) allow Isreal and Palestine to fight it out, if BOTH groups agree to suffer the consequences? The winner could share the region?

What I personally believe is that we all share the whole world, and ought to share the resources equally, and stop requiring each other to slave our lives away when we could work together to have heaven on Earth.

[Kinkspace]

Israel will not share.

They do not recognize Palestine or Palestinian rights. They have also failed to comply with UN resolutions that are geared towards A) on your list, unfortunately the USA will not support the rest of the world by introducing economic sanctions.

Israel is dependent on aid and munitions supplied by the USA. As long as the USA back Israel there will be no peace.

They have no interest in peace.

You probably find that difficult to relate to.

[Kinkspace]

Would it surprise you that there are people out there that really do not give a damn about heaven on earth. Theres a lot of them in the US Senate and congress who are not representing their people. To them the people are simply slave workers, throw them a bone to debate or something sensational to watch, tell them a dream of freedom and keep them happy and they won't revolt.

A bit like Rome. As the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome.

[PointOnACurve]

I'm not surprised that some people don't want peace. But how did they come to power?

I imagine a societal system modeled like a university course structure. Everyone signs up for a job.If no one signs up, then that job doesn't get done. When you satisfy your credits,you retire. Everyone wants the same stuff:Comfort,food,travel,frie­nds,and something interesting to do. Make it all free.

[Kinkspace]

I'm assuming Americans voted for them.

For what its worth it could be an idea to separate campaign funding from business, maybe capping the amount one can spend. Even then people will still be offered intensives, the system needs to be made crystal clear, and as incorruptible as possible. Thomas Paine that first warned the system was open to corruption 200years ago. Not all people what what you say, many want big yachts, houses and expensive cars, the American dream, not to mention power.

[matsutakneatche]

al ciada

[kaioshy]

Politicians are the real terrorists

Government = Organized crime

[RussianDefender100]

LOL at the Stupid Yank

Al Qaeda is a COLLECTIVE Term, used

by people who arm themselves that fight against

western influence, most are from different clans

there is no Universal Al Qaeda that wants to destroy

the world, its a Myth you idiot

Its like saying Talibans are Global Terrorists when these are tribesmen against western invasions

and are LOCAL, they have no interest in global

terrorism :))

[GeminiAzules]

Saying that changing the word of a definition is something the bush administration did.

A banana is still a banana if you call it an orange.

[Thrabit]

jajajjajajajajaja

[MrSpieldose]

the guy from Washington DC is a Zionist asshole.

[shockolanu]

Maybe if the US will start feeding and HELPING the Afghan and Pakistan population, they will show where the Al-Quaeda members are in hiding.

If they continue to hurt the civilian population, those people will continue to support the "organization"

[navtel]

911 was an inside job.. bush/cheney & co.

[maghrebianka]

Al-Qaeda is a brand name for cia and usrahelli terrorism

[samsonofjesus]

osma bin lauden is in the white house ,