I partly agree with the below comments all the people of Scotland want is to have overall control of all Scottish affairs and money I'd happily stay part of the union as long as all decision are made in the Scottish parliament not westminster. We don't want or need so called hand outs from westminster for the size of our country we have more than enough revenue more so dare I say per head of population than England.
Federalise Britain, don't nationalise it, it's a small island after all & were all very similar, let the scots pay for free education for their own kids if they want it by letting them raise there own taxes etc, similarly let them reap the benefits of their own resources such as oil then no one can complain
Poor old Richard Bacon. When will the people of England realise this is about freedom for a people. If Scotland's economy is going to go to crap why do England worry about this. Its Scotland's decision. We live in a democratic community so be democratic. Let the Scot's vote. Would it not be worse to think the Scot's were being oppressed. Scotland and England are two different countries.
I'm unconvinced (like alot of Scots) by independence and I didnt vote SNP - I dont agree with Alex Salmond but I respect him. I cant say that about any other politician at the moment. They all talk and look like insurance salesmen and I don't know what any of them they believe in or what they stand for . If being part of the union means being governed by any one of them..maybe Independence isn't such a bad idea after all.
@kookyChimes If you regularly read the 'Newsnet Scotland' website, you'll not be confused, it gets updated just about every day and has the full low down on what's actually happening with Scottish independence and the movement with full concise Scottish news every day.
You'll be surprised at how much the unionist media tries to cover up when you read Newsnet Scotland regularly. It'll keep you well informed.
Its so strange that (some) people in England think the SNP win was all about Independence - "proven beyond doubt that they strongly support nationalism which amounts to little more than racism" etc etc The SNP majority was a result of many things , one major concern was total distrust of the main party leaders in Westminster ( and the Scottish Tories/Labour/Lib Dems by association). Whether you like Alex Salmond or not, at least he believes in something and has fought for it most of his life
Richard Bacon is a 12th rate Blue Peter presenter who can't even take coke discreetly... what an insult to such a great statesman... England just has ingrain bigotry towards everything and everyone who isn't English (My Family and from Both North and South of the Border)
I'm a Scotsman and will vote yes on Independence. It's only the Scottish people who will decide our fate, not english, french or people from any other nation, so why people from other countries get upset by the possibility of Scottish independence confuses me. Also if Alex Salmond leads Scotland to Independence he will be remembered as a hero in Scottish History as is the way of all leaders who have taken their respective countries too Independence throughout history.
Scotland's voted the SNP in which has proven beyond doubt that they strongly support nationalism which amounts to little more than racism. We should be one country..Britain. Run the UK from Scotland if that would appease the Scots.
Richard Bacon started asking Alex Salmond a lot of questions relating directly to England. When will they realise that this isn't about hating England or even about England at all, it is nothing more that Scotland wanting to make their own decisions.
why do these idiot presenters and analysts continue to ask alex the same questions over and over, and try to dictate to him what they think is right. At the end of the day, alex has his cause, he fights for it, and that should be the end of all questions. Alex is a great leader. He stands for his principles, never dodges questions, is allways honest, Never sits on the fence, & has the abbillity to make plans and lead when needed to. The rest of Britain is just scared of scottish independance.
Lewis Paul patented the Roller Spinning machine and the flyer-and-bobbin system for drawing wool to a more even thickness, developed with the help of John Wyatt in Birmingham. Paul and Wyatt opened a mill in Birmingham which used their new rolling machine powered by a donkey. In 1743, a factory was opened in Northampton 'Wiki'
@1scot4scotland Westminster is the problem and so is unionism, it's the brainwashed mind of unionism that's a puzzle as they are saying Scotland should not control it self, and then you have NumberDne here who thinks that Scottish indepedence means Scotland will be back to the 1300's.
To be more precise... British unionism is now utterly toxic, so much so that it's dragging us all down just so the rich and power elites can syphon more from the people. They do this by dividing people, you cause division by creating perspective...one positive and one negative, the real trick is to use the side that favours the elite (usually the negative) and dress it as something good. So ask yourself.....who's supporting the london elite?
@1scot4scotland It's the Scottish subsidy that's supporting the London elite no?
If you check Newsnet Scotland, theirs an article from Oct 2010 where it was revealed by two world renowned academics that "Scotland has been subsidising the UK treasury for years", and with London the most subsidised part of the UK it means most of Scotland's money goes there.
@Calengela London is the most important financial centre in the world, and is the most visited city in the world. London's gdp alone far surpasses the whole of Scotlands
@Cybopath please before making yourself look any more stupid, you should reaserch on which city is the most visited. I didnt say New york and Beijing dont get a look in, but what i did say is that London is the most visited, a simple search would prove it too you. I dont understand why people like you dont research before posting comments in a debate with someone who has researched it.
Me look stupid? What so your telling me a small European city gets more visitors than a massive asian one? That New York is a weaker financial centre than London? Next you'll be telling me the British army is superior to the U.S and Stone henge is more remarkable than the pyramids.
@Cybopath If you dont know that London is the most important financial center in the World then what can i say to ears that wont hear ? go back and do a bit more research, I see you went of to do some research now but your still not quite there on these to issues. I didn't say that New york isn't important, all i said was that London is the most important financial center
Why's that? You didn't know much about the union flag and haven't said much about London not being the number one visited city in europe let alone the world. Fail to realise even if London offers financial services it proves it generates very little because it relies on international money also if it's so good with money how come it goes into a recession so often?
@NumberDne You have actually opened my eyes up to one fact though that Scotland could make more money out of London through paying them for services rather than having reveniews taken by them.
Celtic likeness and mixing in Britain is unquestionable, so much so that we have exported our Anglo Celtic likeness all over the world, from Australia, to Canada, the USA, Newzealand etc. The Union jack (our Onglo Celtic symbol of unity) is used by Australia, Newzealand, Canada, and many other nations around the world. Australian and Newzealander's and Canadian's identities are based on our Anglo Celtic union. I dont see people identifying with Scottish Norweigan ancestry, do you?
@robsargent4 I know, even a contingent of them want independence from Scotland. This independence thing just takes us back 800 years to the times when we were squbbling and arguing on this small island. Let us build on our recent progress of being a world beating team as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. We are still one of the world's major powers, and we are the Nation which has contributed the most to the modern world. Long Live the UK my brother.
Another fine interview from Alex Salmond, although..not sure about what he said on most natural ally being English over Norway, Scotland does have a lot more in common as a nation with Norway rather than it does with England.
If there was a division league group of countries..Scotland would be in the same as Norway, Switzerland, Ireland, Finland and Sweden.
England would belong in the group with France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
Scotland would be a rich northern country with full independence.
@segano1 Norway over England? So 300 years of union in which England, Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland rose to the top of the world with the greatest empire ever (England being the main driving force) which paved the way for most of Scottish interests to be exported and promoted all over the globe, today the UK still one of the greatest world powers allowing Scotland to punch above its weight in the world, all this history and current and you say Norway over England?
@NumberDne Wtf? What you on about? We do have more in common with Norway as a nation than we do with England, similar location, similar population, similar natural resources, in fact we have a slightly bigger population than Norway, we have more endless natural resources than Norway and they are one of the richest nations in Europe, the difference is though, they invest in their resources where as the UK government squanders as much as it can get.
@segano1 Ok so do you speak Norweigan now? Do you watch the Norway football leagues and Norweigan dramas and soaps? Ok then maybe you can apply for the Norweigan army and not the British mullitary? Sorry pal but Scottish culture is not more like Norway, it is more like England's. And you say "English don't really cross our minds that much" LOL, again i must say to you - sorry pal, but Scottish identity is built on relations with England. (flower of Scotland ring any bells?)
@NumberDne And on your earlier comment about Scots being more similar to the English rather than the Norweigians, I was talking about being similar to them in terms as a nation not culture, we have similar resources, similar populations (Scotland has about half a million more), we're not that far away from each other in the same way you aren't from France.
We were a nation long long before this unelected union, and have been sovereign a lot longer than a unionist nation in total.
@segano1 I dont see Scottish & Norwegian soldiers going into battle together as a team fighting & dying 4 the protection of Scottish & Norwegian lives and soil do you? I dont see thousands of Scottish/norwegian relationships,marriages and families happening effectively & increasingly cross breeding the 2 countries. However all these things are happening between UK nations. If Oil and population size is your only argument for Scotland being more like Norway than England then its a non starter.
@NumberDne Also I see you've now tried a hand in the whole issue of genetics to help your unionist argument this time as well as dropping the unionist strong flawed hand of money and economy.
Well the vast overwhelming majority of today's Scots descend from their Caledonian Pictish natives of old Scotland (Alba) as proved with the genetic haplotype 'OGAP4' code, that's quite distinct enough from England, also have you sort of noticed that Anglo Americans don't care about England or St.George?
@segano1 & Scotland is much further away from Norway than England is 2 France so dont try drawing any similarities there.
So then Segano,. Outside of oil and population size, (on which many countries on earth could draw similarities) tell me about the many more ways in wich Scotland is more simillar to Norway than England, I'l give you one - Scotland's Current royal family are related to the Norwegian royal family.....Doe! The Scottish royal family is actually the British royal family. arghh
@NumberDne Norway isn't much further from Scotland than it is from London - look at a Euro map. If you're in London in England then you'll be closer to France than Scotland, we are just as far away from Norway as we are to London, and we're a lot closer to Ireland than we are to England, plus we have more in common with them than the English too.
Scotland don't have a royal family either, Scotland's royal family and monarchy ended with the Stuarts, plus the Royals in England are more German now.
@segano1 Only in YOUR mind is Scotland undermind within the British name. The majority of Scots take the advantage of being part of the UK, one of the world's most important and influencial countries, with a deeply rich history and high status. Being part of the UK greatly helped and helps Scottish brands to be promoted and exported to the world. If you dont believe me then just read about the economy of Scotland on Wiki.
@NumberDne You'll soon see right every single poll done said they would rather see Alex Salmond of the SNP become Scotland's first minister, even Labour polls show 35% of Labour voters want to see Alex Salmond be Scotland's first minister rather than London based Labour leader Iain Grey.
Dirty Cancerous London Labour unionist bastards now try to steal SNP platforms now after voting against it budget after budget.
Imitation may be seen as the best form of flattery, - just as it shows weakness.
@segano1 And i know that London is closer to France than it is to Scotland, That was the point i was making. If England and France are so close but are still completely defferent then what for Scotland and Norway which are much further away from each other than England and France are? And London is not England is it. England is joined to Scotland so i dont know what point you were trying to make about Scotland being far away from London. Remember Northern England? Newcastle etc?????
@segano1 "Scotland is a lot closer to Ireland than we are to England" LOL WTF?? Has somebody bumped your head or something? ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND ARE JOIND TOGETHER ON THIS ISLAND!! YOU ARE NOT JOINED TO IRELAND SO HOW CAN SCOTLAND BE CLOSER TO IRELAND THAN IT IS TO ENGLAND!!. for fuck sake, you are really givin me a fuckin headache with your bullshit!
@NumberDne And we are closer to Ireland than London, not just in proximity but culturally as well and England aren't directly joined on to Scotland, the river tweed is the main physical separation and boundary between Scotland and the Poms, before it was Hadrian's wall, when half of Northumberland was once originally Scottish land, as the north side of Northumberland extends over Hadrian's wall.
Take a look at the the map Ireland is right next to the Scottish hebrides (the 700+ Scottish islands)
@NumberDne Yeah im about england mate so what, you are an embarrasment though all you go on about is britian fuck britian, fuck the uk and fuck you mate.
@NumberDne you dont have a life atall mate, all you go on about is the past and the empire shit when everyone has moved on now and want to control themselves.
you sound like some kind of Jew trying to support marxist view ponts, i take it you support the EU state? sad twat.
@Englanistan And you aint from England either you cunt, And you definately aint from London, the hateful videos on your channel of England prove that you aint from England.
@segano1 More bullshit about "Queen liz 2 not being Scotlands monarch" . So is her name accidentaly written as QEii Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? was she accidentally given Balmoral castle? is it a lies that Prince Philip is the Duke of Edinburgh? fuck sake what is wrong with you?
"Royals in England are more German now" well duhh! many of the peoples in Europe are of Germanic descent. As for the British royals they have a mixture of european ancestry as do all of europe's royals.
@NumberDne On royalty, once again you've failed to read my comment correctly, I said that Scotland's own royal family and great monarch ended with the Stuarts, so there is no "Scottish royal family" - got it?
What you've got is a monarch of the UK that globally is viewed as the English royal family as they are based in England not Scotland! It's just as well they are viewed a English anyway - works perfectly well in our favour, just as when people say Britain is England and Scotland is Scotland.
Technically to take it one stage further the Stuarts not only where Scotland's last but the UK's. What's on the throne now is a German import 50 times removed from the bloodline. Mind you the same circumstances could have existed if the Stuarts where still there.
@Cybopath All royals all over europe have mixed ancestry, so it matters not whether its king William of Orange, Wiliam the conquerer, or king william iV, they have mixed blood
Mixed is one thing but barley any relation is another. William of Orange left no heirs anyway, the Stuarts took it back briefly and Anne died as the last Queen of Scotland, suprisingly enough exact same time the Union happened. So Anglicans (Scared of having a catholic at the head of their country and CHURCH) invited a man 52nd in line to the throne to take it. Thus underming their own Royal traditions. This is just facts. My opinion I don't care if Elizebeth I of Scotland remains.
@Cybopath Stupid separatist nationalists. Blabering on about being born on that side of the border 5 minutes from Newcastle. Why do you waste your life on arguing about 5 minutes down the road birth?
Oh right that makes sense. Vancouver is a 40 minute drive from the USA, guess Canada should let Washington D.C make there decisions. Lucky not every country borders another..... wait a minute. Guess Donegal would have no problem with Belfast controlling Ireland affairs or The Ukraine with Moscow polititions screwing them over. Yes this is a Very strong argument.
@NumberDne The monarch in England is irrelevant, unelected (just as the union was), bunch of benefit reliant people who do sweet fuck all but sit on their lazy arses all day while you English bow to them as their slaves.
Where as in Scottish monarchy, kingship and kingdom weren't the same thing, the Scots happily supported their own kings and queens freely, the Scottish people had democratic choice for their kingdom, it was a peoples kingdom for the Scots as the declaration of Arbroath shows.
@segano1 Typical separatist nationalist bullshit. Not realizing that we all actually have a common heratige. always fucking making things difficult for the majority of us who just want to get on with our lives without bringing up bullshit from the past. We argued in the 1300s, then we got over it by uniting and now people like you want to take us back 700 years to separation and vexing and arguing all over again. You claim to want to move forward and yet you want to take us back 700 years.
So nothing happened between 1300(Braveheart) and 1700? Lets not try and delude facts, the English would never give up on taking Scotland. Our waters too much of a strategic advantage, our presence an undermining of England's military capabilities our allience with france too much of a threat, so instead of an English empire call it British, instead of Anglican and Presbyterian call it Protestant. Religion is one of the main reasons the UK was formed that and national racketeering.
@Cybopath LOL your alliances with france? aka alliance just becauseyour enemy was their enemy? still managed to kick both your asses. what a shameful alliance. So stick your "alliances." and what did your alliance with france ever do for Scotland? sweet fuck all, thats what. And to this day, your whole identity and reason for being is centered on relations with England. (refer to flower of Scotland). Now you and the whole world speaks ENGLISH! so suck it! ok.
Sorry are you retarded our something? I was explaining why the union was created I wasn't boasting about any alliances and now come the insults, the past 'kicking of our asses' (really?) So it is you that is clearly anti-scottish and living in the past. Your entire empire was built on taking Scotland, 'rebellious scots to crush'? If your so upset or look down on Scotland with as much distain as you've just showed then why cry about the fact we want to leave Englishman?
@Cybopath "with as much distain as you've just showed" You insulted me so what u want me to do? pull down your pants & kiss your arse? ill do no such thing, u insult me so i will do the same back to u, with interest. "split personality" all the nations in the uk have pooled soverignty 2 create a solidarity effect. United we're, stronger than we are divided, and together we share the bigger identity of being British. You may choose not to take advantage of that but the rest of us do.
Together we share a bigger Identity, again a retarded non statement, together we could share a massive European identity. So basicly your making clear that British overwelms the Scottish identity, bad because the British Identity basicly is the English one with the colour blue added.
@Cybopath You may not like it, but the fact is, this is the UK, The United Kingdom, Whether from Scotland Wales Northern Ireland or England, the world knows us as British. Any misunderstanding the outside world has with mistaking England for Britain is because of people like you who do not take advantage of being British. Rather you want to moan and groan about something which happened 300 years ago which brought unity and togertherness to this Island.
@NumberDne And England the driving force? lol Yea if you want to boast about sticking your nose in other nations business and colonising them while sucking up all their resources.
England's contributions are no more greater than Scotland's, especially considering the population.
To tell you the truth, the English don't really cross our minds that much, that may surprise you but we couldn't give a shit to be honest.
England would not have got anywhere near as far on it's own in terms of others.
@segano1 And you contradict yourself by saying "England the driving force if boasting about colonising, sticking nose in other's business and sucking others resources" and then further down you say "England's contibution is no greater than Scotland's". Either England was the main driving force and Scotland didnt participate as much in colonising, sticking nose in etc, Or.. Scotland did contribute as much as England in the Empire bad aspects and good,. You cant have it both ways.
@NumberDne And You'll see that other comment I made was actually a counter for YOUR contradiction, you boasted that England was the driving force of the whole UK, and I said by saying that you are admitting that all the slavery and colonisation and resource stealing from other nations was largely all thanks to the English seeing as they were the "driving force", I was talking about Scotland's contributions, you therefore must've categorised colonisation under the category of contributions yes?
@segano1 Talk about breaking up the UK to those in Scotland in the UK defence industry. Shipyards employing thousands to build UK millitary vessels aircraft carriers etc. The uk Millitary bases in Scotland, etc all these assets would be withdrawn from Scotland and set up in the rest of the UK. & what for the Scottish soldiers who want to stay part of a significant millitary force? are you saying "sod them, they must join the English/ Welsh/ Northern irish army or make do with a tiny army?
@NumberDne I've heard every single propagated unionist view that you've posted several times the past few years and every time you hear it, it gets dis-proved more as time goes on, and the unionists and their views get weaker. A good nationalist told me once, you're only British when you're in the army, other than that you are always Scottish, Welsh, English or N.Irish. Unionism was created for the elite's ideologies and then Imperialists, but now...miraculously it's for the sake of everybody?
@NumberDne We had a 300+ year union, but so what? It doesn't make us the same people now does it? A union is not forever, we have our own origins, ways, cultures, ideals etc.
The union is from the age of empires, a product of it's time that has since long ended, why should an ageing, gradually dis-banding, declining, rancid old union that doesn't do anyone any good in this day and age remain?
It's holding the nations back, as no one can make their own decisions.
@segano1 "A union is not forever",? "the age of unions are dying".?
So then i take it you think that the Union of the United States of America will not last for ever? Or what about the coming North American Union? Or what about the European Union? Age of unions dying?
There are pushes towards unions all over the world, you need to get more information on how the world is going. Unions are coming not going. The bigger the country you are in a union, the more influence you have in it
@NumberDne The United States are a union of states where as the United Kingdom is a union of of nations and a badly outdated union too as the name shows, that's the difference between the UK and US, plus the US is vast so obviously they would need local states that deal with a separate part of the whole nation.
The EU is like the US but instead of loads of states united it's loads of nations, where they all have their own seats at the EU and their identity and cultural power for their own nation
@segano1 The US is a union of states and so is the UK. Even in the EU, even bigger countries than Scotland or England are called states such as germany. Every country in the EU is refered to as a state. You really need to study the macro-economic state of the future. The UK is in an increadable position of controling the fufture with London and Edinburgh leading the way. But snp supporters want to keep bringing up old 1300's squables on this island which we resolved long ago.
@NumberDne The US is a union of states as I already said before but the UK is not, the UK is a union of nations, only unionists such as you would ever deny this and claim them as states as it suits your unionist agenda. Germany is only referenced as a state in some documents particularly from an EU stand point but regardless of this it is also a nation too.
And Scottish independence is not based on passed events as the unionists are brainwashed into thinking, it's for Scotland's best interests.
@NumberDne The union is a cancer to Scotland, as long as Scotland remain in it the more it damages Scotland, London's the most subsidised part of the UK, Britain is bankrupt as a union but not the individual nations. The SNP want the best for Scotland and are the only Scottish based party out there aside from the SSP, they are the only party who will give the Scots the democratic choice on independence, all other parties are London based cancerous disease ridden disasters who'll vote it down.
Do you have a unionist magic 8 ball? With the favourite sayings? 1)The oil will run out. 2)This isn't 1314 or Braveheart. 3)Look at Ireland's economy. 4)Remember WW2 & the Empire. 5) Do you want Brussels to control Scotland? 6)Scotland's just a state like Florida.... All BS.
Wow amazing comeback. No friend I just have common sense and a bit of pride. That says why can't my country just be even with any other European county and have someone sit in the E.U. Why does my country have a split personality where sometimes it's a country and other times a region? Why can't a Strong independent Scotland be in a union with England instead of handing over it's control to the UK? Why does no one realise that Scotland could be a commonwealth nation?
@segano1 The EU is not like the US because the USA has a mentality of all working for The USA. Much like the way that the UK should all work for the UK. The EU is different. The EU has many countries within it who all work for the bettering of their own individual country in the EU. The smaller the country within the EU - the lesser impact or influence that country makes in the EU.. As the United Kingdom, we are 4th power in the world after USA, China, & Russia., divided we are less.
Cont...The Irish now openly say they want to make the senior bond holders take some of the bank losses. That is not the EU Financial Class's game plan. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK will like the sound of it. Because for senior bond holders read their banks, big funds and insurance companies.
This was always about bailing out other nations' banks and any restructuring of who takes what losses will simply make that clear.
Cont...The Irish now openly say they want to make the senior bond holders take some of the bank losses. That is not the EU Financial Class's game plan. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK will like the sound of it. Because for senior bond holders read their banks, big funds and insurance companies.
This was always about bailing out other nations' banks and any restructuring of who takes what losses will simply make that clear.
@NumberDne We will simply get to see which banks in which countries suddenly have to raise cash or get another bail out. Not only would it be a very public humiliation but it would also tell the world which banks were weakest. Given that banking is almost entirely based upon lies this would not be a good outcome for the union.
@NumberDne You've obviously no decent knowledge on the monetary system It would be good if more people would download and watch the "Zeitgeist Addendum" film. It explains the monetary system well.
@NumberDne We have a lot more in common with Norway than the English.
Our identity with England is very limited, the vast majority of Scots do not identify themselves as "British" and rightly we shouldn't, as England is like mini America, it has nearly 90% of the UK population, which means Scotland has only around 10% - 12% influence, yet since Scotland gained back it's sovereign parliament it's probably the only nation in the world that pays it's foreign neighbour to speak on it's behalf.
@segano1 majority in Scotland understands that it is not about money anymore. majority unionist support shows its not just about money anymore, goes much deeper than that. But then there are some who have seen a carrot being waved in front of them, and their eyes start rolling with dollar signs. I think ive told you a saying before that earth has enough to supply every mans need but not every mans greed. and thats all you are is a person who would probably sell your own mother for a price.
@NumberDne You say the cancer of unionism "goes much deeper than money" - so how deep exactly? Just bragging to the rest of the world "Oh look at us we ruled 1/4 of the world, look at the achievements, look at the progress we once made as a union" - now that's going on about the past, where as we nationalists are about the future, the empire and emperialism are dead and they've been dead a long time, and there's no reason that we should all pretend it still exists while holding back the nations.
@NumberDne I tell you one thing, you're a complete new breed of a brainwashed unionist, as you argue that unionism isn't about money and the majority understands that, while the majority of unionists strongest arguments is always about money, the economy, "oh we subsidise you, you can't leave us" etc.
And even that's all wrong as it's just typical dumb BBC watching brainwashed unionist myth makers trying to dis-courage the Scots right to the normality of self determination and independence.
We are not part of France because we are not joined to france, we dont speak the same language as france and we haven't been in a 300 year union with france. we didn't create an empire with france, we didn't lead the industrial revolution with france, we dont take part in the olympics with france need i go on? all of these things we have done as Great Britain. Long before some oil fields turned up in the north sea which sent your eyes rolling with dollar signs.
@NumberDne No you're not connected to France - can you point where I ever said you were?
Using your good ole' unionist logic of "land connection" - does this fine piece of logic mean we can pretend that Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and Italy are all the same country? - seeing as they are all supposedly connected to each other?
And as a side note - a lot of the English vocabulary is derived from French words, and France was a major part of England's birth - see "England, a colony of France"
@segano1 LOL @ England a colony of france, Wow that video was really made by the worlds greatest historian, aka, a French patriot who hates England because we kicked french ass all over the globe. LOL now i definately now you'r bonkers to site that video LOL. And does spain portugal france germany all speak the same language? like we do in the UK? are they all surrounded by the sea as we are? have they fought bled and died for each other as we have? no
@NumberDne ROFL! Ok what the fuck was the point posting that comment twice lol.
England was a colony of France, it's fact, that French guy wasn't abusing England, he was simply stating facts, if you look all these facts up you'll find England was ruled by France as a colony for 400 years by Norman kings from France with the Plantegenet. And I sited that video as a side note, not a main note to support my argument here, as you were acting like France had nothing to do with England or it's origin.
@segano1 As 4 colony of france all needs be said about that is this. Was England ever called new France? No, Those kings were known as kings of England, just in the same way queen Lizzy ii is. They fought for England aginst France and owned half of france including paris so actually half of France was a colony of England As said before all of europes royals have mixed blood, We dont exactly call england colony of Germany just because queen lizzy has some german blood. & Normans were vikings
@NumberDne And I don't care who speaks what, I can sit here picking contradictions out your argument all day, you were talking like having a closer proximity to a certain country than another country was a reason for being politically united despite the fact this is the 21st century where the modern world is fully globalised now, your argument and fine piece of logic of "land connection" would make a good argument in the old world, but in the modern world it's completely irrelevant.
@NumberDne Also We don't exactly speak the same language either, yes we can use English, but so does the French and they still use their own language just as much if not more, in Scotland their's 'Scots' - an actual language not just a dialect, and then there is the ancient Scots-Gaelic language which contains components of the ancient Scots Caledonian Pictish ancestors language.
It was unionism that influenced the English language in to Scotland in the 1600's as it was useful for trade.
@segano1 "and they still use their own language just as much if not more". So are you trying to tell me that people in Scotland speak Scots or anything else other than English more than they use English? You really are one of those people who has delusions of grandure because your country of 5 million has been part of a 62 million population, 2.6 trillion economy. If you do get your wish of breaking the union then your delusions will come crashing back down with a bump.
@NumberDne Canada and the USA speak a similar language while being of close proximity and do they decide on each others affairs and speak on the others behalf? No!
And yes Scots do speak "Scots" just as well as English, Scots-Gaelic is a separate language of Scotland all together and another separate story.
Being part of a bigger populated nation is a good reason enough for why Scotland should leave this sinking rancid ole' union, as Scotland is undermined by the more populated nation.
@segano1 Why do you keep mentioning all these countries like Canada and USA who havent even been in a 300 year union? in what way do you draw similarities? Language only? it is you who is using the language alone to support your argument. The UK is about alot more than just language. And you need to check up on NAFTA, It is the soon coming North American Union in which Mexico, the USA and Canada will be United into one Kingdom/country. seperation is regression, It is taking steps backward.
@segano1 Union is simple macro economics. It is inevitable. Small separate nations were in the past, Unions are the Future. It is separation which is rancid and outdated. Separation has been in existence from the very beginning. All of Europe was separated into small kingdoms for centuries. Small kingdoms became bigger and bigger, and then recently united to form what we have today. As i said, separation is taking a backward step and thats why theres unionist party Majority in Scotland
@Calengela "unionist majority in scotland? is tht why they have a nationalist government? you moron" If you dont even know that majority in Scotland is unionist parties, then theres not much i can do for you. Scotland is your own country and you dont even know that the majority of parties in Scotland are unionist?
Fuck me, what the fuck are you being taught in school for you not to know that.?
@NumberDne thats because Scotland is still partly half in the union you absolute moron, when Scotland become independent which is inevitable, they will have many other parties forming to offer alternative adminstrations.
@Calengela Theres nothing inevitable about the UK breaking up. The oil is running out, the push for alternative fuels is on the rise and Unions all over the world are coming into being. p.s the fact you didnt know that majority of parties in Scotland are unionist says all i need to know about you.
@NumberDne There's over 60 years of Scottish oil left, and that's if it's part of the UK, just imagine how much longer it'll last in Scotland's hands and they can invest in it like Norway did rather than squander it like the UK did.
And you forgot Scotland will become a world leader in renewables in future which is already in process.
And if the Scottish oil is running out then why did a tory minister admit last week that "it'll benefit the England for decades if Scotland stay with us"
@Calengela Well at least you are honest to admit that the reason you want to break away is simply because of oil. At least you dont try to act as if it is down to all that other bullshit. Basically, most of Scotland's greatest achievements have been made possible because of being part of the UK. The oil was found by British Petroleum. Things where Scotland goes without England end up being like the difference between The English premier league and the Scittish Premier League..
@NumberDne It is inevitable, the UK is dying, that's why you have this dis balance right now thanks to devolution which the Scots wanted for a long time because they want to run their ow affairs, you should just leave them along, it's purely up to them not you.
Who is going on about the past? me or you? You are talking about going back 300 - 1000 years at least in the past when europe was seperated into small little pieces . I am talking about the inevitalbe future which is unions and strength in unity. you are the one looking to the past
@NumberDne So you are a marxist then? you want everyone in the world to destroy each others freedon and separation and rightfull sovereignty and destroy all that history and heritage?
@NumberDne england has 50 million people, the Scots are not as overcrowded as they have 5+million, how would it make a difference to england if independent?
Scots created the modern world and you say to them they aren't capable of running their own nation 100% exclusively?
@Calengela "Scots created the modern world" LOL. Any Scots that took part in creating the modern word did it because they were part of the United Kingdom. Scotland without England could not have done anything to do with creating the modern world. It was England which was the main driving force behing the industrial revolution. You should be thankfull that Scotland was allowed to participate as part of the UK in the industrial revolution
@NumberDne That's a lot of rubbish that and this little quote that no historian has ever been able to argue will destroy your bias
"Out of all the nations of the world, perhaps only ancient Greece can beat the Scots when it comes to the contribution of mankind" Winston Churchill (English).
@NumberDne An American historian (no Scottish connection) wrote that "Scotland created the modern world the same way as ancient Greece created the old"
"The modern world is seen through the eyes of the Scots"
So the wider worled you see today is largely a Scottish viewpoint.
@NumberDne It was the Scottish enlightenment, not the UK that created this, so don't try undemine the Scots like a typical pom and steal what's theirs.
@Calengela LOL, my goodness what the fuck are these snp people feeding you? Scotland alone did not and does not have the economic muscle or population to create the modern world. What the fuck are they teaching you? You Scottish extremists really have your head stuck in the clouds. But if you get your wish, and break up the UK, you will hit the ground when you find out what it is to be insignificant.
@NumberDne Englands wealth came from stealing from other nations, engand on their own would never be able to boast wealth like they did in that sad fact of their history.
@NumberDne England is such a driving force, in your own words that is, yet you seem to fear the Scots running their own nation, you seem obsessed with them.
@Calengela I dont fear you running your own nation. And currently, the majority of Scots want to keep this Island united. so i am only supporting their cause.
@NumberDne The majority of Scots have not had their say you moron, the SNP biggest support came from supporting a referendum on independence, hence why Labour try to vote it down as every London based party will, because they know whats at stake for England.
@NumberDne You have a strange obsession with what the Scots are doing and what they want to do, has it ever ocurred to you that it's none of your business?
It's the Scot's business only.
Stop living in the past with the empire and get over yourself ad move on to a future independent england, then you can continue boasting about the empire the.
@Calengela It's my business as long as the majority of Scots support unionist parties meaning that the UK is one nation. All you snp extremists on youtube create these videos and all flock to watch them, and then you start thinking that all Scots want a break up of the UK. You YT snp extremists are a tiny portion of the population of Scotland
@Calengela I'm Brittish first because i choose to be. I will at the bigger picture and be involved in Brittish affairs, just like you choose to look at the smaller picture and concentrate only on Scottish affairs. Scottish MP's focus on English affairs in westminster so who's to say i can't look into affairs regarding the whole UK?
@NumberDne Your britshit, because you're a stinking unionist ashamed to be english alone, have you ever wondered why so many english don't actually identify with 'english', they want to be associated with britai because it's the only way england has to pretend that it has people on it's side.
@Calengela England and Britain are used interchangebly by the world because the world knows that England is the main part. Scotland is just the part that we brought with us to the top. And now we see the ungreatful and shamefull snp minority who have dollar signs rolling in their eyes over oil, pathetic
@NumberDne You seem to be getting offended at the Scots creation of the modern world, that's the messed up thing with you outdated emperialists, Scotland should only be seen as great and recognised for it's contributions as British, but as Scottish you try to steal it.
@NumberDne Scotland was not brought to the top by England, this whole mess started because the Scottish king took over the English throne creating the union of crowns in 1603, if you say england is the main part of the union due purely on population then that's a perfect nationalist argument you've just used there.
England, the shame of stealing others wealth and credits just to say to the world look at us, so sad.
@Calengela Oh so now you'r saying that Scotland was not involved? lol, the majority of those who grabbed land in northern ireland are Scots. not English. Was it not captain Cook who (with Englands Power) reached Australia beginning the interfearance with aborigini's landd?
@NumberDne Englands power? LMFAO! Captain Cook was a Scot, he did that on his own, stop stealing credit from Scotland just because they were in a nation with you shabby lot. It's showing your weak
England is the main part due to population, gdp, infrastructure, development, status, success, sports, visiter tourism, cities, entertainment, etc.... need i go on? is that enough reasons why England is the main part?
@NumberDne Englad is the most populous part due to time in the union where london was used as the de facto (fake) capital of the whole UK, that's why london isn't just english people, infact so few of them there nowadays are english, it's a multicultural city with people all over the world there.
And it's a perfect reason why Scotland is better off getting rid of the english for good and going their own way.
@NumberDne To the rest of the world Britain is seen as England anyway, have you wondered why many Scots don't really care about this fact? because it works in the nationalists future interests.
So you calling yourself British to get away from just being english scores a big fat 0
The scotland subside myth was originally intended for scottish eyes only, then people in england became aware in the late 90's and early 2000's. It has backfired on the unionists because it has now put massive strain on their union. I will not discourage anyone from england from believing it, I will however point out the facts to scots. Scottish unionists are moving to the Independence camp in droves because they are sick and tired of repeating the facts.
@1scot4scotland Other way around, its the unionists that said Scotland was being subsidised in order to stop nationalists from voting independence, when the whole time it was Scotland that was the subsidy and has been for over two decades now.
Many unionists are going independent because they know the union is a toxic shower of shit, I use to support Scottish unionism but after I seen the lies and covering up I can see why they did it in london because they knew Scotland would be far better off.
@Calengela Scotland is not big enough to subsidise England. Scotland is a mere fraction the size of England. the oil is a small annual franction of GDP for England. Nobody is holding Scotland from voting for indepence but Scots themselves. I dont know where you get the idea that. London is holding you back. Look a little closer to home good man, Holyrood and majority of Scottish people dont want the UK to break up. I have no vote on it niether does any other Englishman.
@NumberDne Scotland is nearly the same size as England you moron, take a picture of Scotland and overlay it on top of england and you'll see that england is only about 20% bigger in terms of landmass.
And size is irrelevant when it comes to subsidy as it's the resources that count the most.
And unionist parties are stopping the Scots from voting as they can combine with other unionist parties in parliament and create a majority to vote down the referendum denying the people the democratic choice
@Calengela whether land mass size or population England is still the main part, stop with the semantics. The majority of Scots vote for Unionist parties who dont want a referendum. which ever way you try to put it the majority of Scots dont want to break the union. simple as that. Even recent polls show snp and labour neck and neck, and thats without including the other unionist parties.
Alex Salmond, what an awful awful man. Proud to be BRITISH & SCOTTISH. Voting NO!
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karezza6 1 month ago
if I ever see Ale Salmond I will stab him in the face for being such a cunt. Scotland will not work independantly. FUCK YOU ALEX YOU FAT BASTARD
Metal4Ever3000 1 month ago
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jamie885885885 1 month ago
@Metal4Ever3000 Another well put forward comment for unionism.
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ScottishRepublican 1 month ago
i liked richard bacon before this iterview, i dont now . vote SNP for change
MrFarmer86 3 months ago
I partly agree with the below comments all the people of Scotland want is to have overall control of all Scottish affairs and money I'd happily stay part of the union as long as all decision are made in the Scottish parliament not westminster. We don't want or need so called hand outs from westminster for the size of our country we have more than enough revenue more so dare I say per head of population than England.
delboystir1 4 months ago
Federalise Britain, don't nationalise it, it's a small island after all & were all very similar, let the scots pay for free education for their own kids if they want it by letting them raise there own taxes etc, similarly let them reap the benefits of their own resources such as oil then no one can complain
davenw6 5 months ago
Poor old Richard Bacon. When will the people of England realise this is about freedom for a people. If Scotland's economy is going to go to crap why do England worry about this. Its Scotland's decision. We live in a democratic community so be democratic. Let the Scot's vote. Would it not be worse to think the Scot's were being oppressed. Scotland and England are two different countries.
sonyipod1987 7 months ago
I'm unconvinced (like alot of Scots) by independence and I didnt vote SNP - I dont agree with Alex Salmond but I respect him. I cant say that about any other politician at the moment. They all talk and look like insurance salesmen and I don't know what any of them they believe in or what they stand for . If being part of the union means being governed by any one of them..maybe Independence isn't such a bad idea after all.
kookyChimes 7 months ago
@kookyChimes If you regularly read the 'Newsnet Scotland' website, you'll not be confused, it gets updated just about every day and has the full low down on what's actually happening with Scottish independence and the movement with full concise Scottish news every day.
You'll be surprised at how much the unionist media tries to cover up when you read Newsnet Scotland regularly. It'll keep you well informed.
TheFatalInstinct1 7 months ago
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Its so strange that (some) people in England think the SNP win was all about Independence - "proven beyond doubt that they strongly support nationalism which amounts to little more than racism" etc etc The SNP majority was a result of many things , one major concern was total distrust of the main party leaders in Westminster ( and the Scottish Tories/Labour/Lib Dems by association). Whether you like Alex Salmond or not, at least he believes in something and has fought for it most of his life
kookyChimes 7 months ago
Richard Bacon is a 12th rate Blue Peter presenter who can't even take coke discreetly... what an insult to such a great statesman... England just has ingrain bigotry towards everything and everyone who isn't English (My Family and from Both North and South of the Border)
bongoloid77 8 months ago
I'm a Scotsman and will vote yes on Independence. It's only the Scottish people who will decide our fate, not english, french or people from any other nation, so why people from other countries get upset by the possibility of Scottish independence confuses me. Also if Alex Salmond leads Scotland to Independence he will be remembered as a hero in Scottish History as is the way of all leaders who have taken their respective countries too Independence throughout history.
Leodhas77 8 months ago 2
Scotland's voted the SNP in which has proven beyond doubt that they strongly support nationalism which amounts to little more than racism. We should be one country..Britain. Run the UK from Scotland if that would appease the Scots.
MrLukecov 9 months ago
@MrLukecov I'm sure lots of English, Irish and Welsh would agree with you...
bongoloid77 8 months ago
@MrLukecov nationalism = racism ' to confuse the two ' = moronic intellect ......
MrStewart149 7 months ago
Richard Bacon started asking Alex Salmond a lot of questions relating directly to England. When will they realise that this isn't about hating England or even about England at all, it is nothing more that Scotland wanting to make their own decisions.
smexymage 9 months ago 13
urgh.
lilmissfoxygirl 9 months ago
english are such smug bastards up their aen arses!
beverage2008 10 months ago
@beverage2008 Bit harsh, I don't think you can typecast a whole country.
hi262779 9 months ago
why do these idiot presenters and analysts continue to ask alex the same questions over and over, and try to dictate to him what they think is right. At the end of the day, alex has his cause, he fights for it, and that should be the end of all questions. Alex is a great leader. He stands for his principles, never dodges questions, is allways honest, Never sits on the fence, & has the abbillity to make plans and lead when needed to. The rest of Britain is just scared of scottish independance.
wimblewomble21 10 months ago
Wow, over 400 comments in a video of only 1500 views. Some people need to know when to quit. GO SNP!
lewisaccent 10 months ago
Vote SNP!
mrkjames9 10 months ago 7
@mrkjames9 SNP are corrupt retards, who are led by a fat bastard who thinks scotland is sooo great... its not.
Metal4Ever3000 4 weeks ago
@Metal4Ever3000 Yes it is, Scotland is great.
MrZambology 14 hours ago
@Metal4Ever3000 Yes it is, Scotland is great.
MrZambology 14 hours ago
Lewis Paul patented the Roller Spinning machine and the flyer-and-bobbin system for drawing wool to a more even thickness, developed with the help of John Wyatt in Birmingham. Paul and Wyatt opened a mill in Birmingham which used their new rolling machine powered by a donkey. In 1743, a factory was opened in Northampton 'Wiki'
NumberDne 11 months ago
I think some people forget that Westminster is the problem.
1scot4scotland 11 months ago
@1scot4scotland Westminster is the problem and so is unionism, it's the brainwashed mind of unionism that's a puzzle as they are saying Scotland should not control it self, and then you have NumberDne here who thinks that Scottish indepedence means Scotland will be back to the 1300's.
Calengela 11 months ago
To be more precise... British unionism is now utterly toxic, so much so that it's dragging us all down just so the rich and power elites can syphon more from the people. They do this by dividing people, you cause division by creating perspective...one positive and one negative, the real trick is to use the side that favours the elite (usually the negative) and dress it as something good. So ask yourself.....who's supporting the london elite?
1scot4scotland 11 months ago
@1scot4scotland It's the Scottish subsidy that's supporting the London elite no?
If you check Newsnet Scotland, theirs an article from Oct 2010 where it was revealed by two world renowned academics that "Scotland has been subsidising the UK treasury for years", and with London the most subsidised part of the UK it means most of Scotland's money goes there.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela London is the most important financial centre in the world, and is the most visited city in the world. London's gdp alone far surpasses the whole of Scotlands
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
London is the most visited city in the world? Sure New York, Beijing, New Delhi..... don't have a look in.
London sucks the UK of money and waists most of it on it's own bloated population.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath please before making yourself look any more stupid, you should reaserch on which city is the most visited. I didnt say New york and Beijing dont get a look in, but what i did say is that London is the most visited, a simple search would prove it too you. I dont understand why people like you dont research before posting comments in a debate with someone who has researched it.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Me look stupid? What so your telling me a small European city gets more visitors than a massive asian one? That New York is a weaker financial centre than London? Next you'll be telling me the British army is superior to the U.S and Stone henge is more remarkable than the pyramids.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath If you dont know that London is the most important financial center in the World then what can i say to ears that wont hear ? go back and do a bit more research, I see you went of to do some research now but your still not quite there on these to issues. I didn't say that New york isn't important, all i said was that London is the most important financial center
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Why's that? You didn't know much about the union flag and haven't said much about London not being the number one visited city in europe let alone the world. Fail to realise even if London offers financial services it proves it generates very little because it relies on international money also if it's so good with money how come it goes into a recession so often?
Cybopath 11 months ago
@NumberDne You have actually opened my eyes up to one fact though that Scotland could make more money out of London through paying them for services rather than having reveniews taken by them.
Cybopath 11 months ago
London is the 2nd most visited city in the europe with estimated 14.8 million INTERNATIONAL visitors a year.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Motosuna1982 Alex Salmond has done a marvelous job, only a fool could deny this right enough.
Calengela 11 months ago
Celtic likeness and mixing in Britain is unquestionable, so much so that we have exported our Anglo Celtic likeness all over the world, from Australia, to Canada, the USA, Newzealand etc. The Union jack (our Onglo Celtic symbol of unity) is used by Australia, Newzealand, Canada, and many other nations around the world. Australian and Newzealander's and Canadian's identities are based on our Anglo Celtic union. I dont see people identifying with Scottish Norweigan ancestry, do you?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Go to Shetland and Orkney.
robsargent4 10 months ago
@robsargent4 I know, even a contingent of them want independence from Scotland. This independence thing just takes us back 800 years to the times when we were squbbling and arguing on this small island. Let us build on our recent progress of being a world beating team as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. We are still one of the world's major powers, and we are the Nation which has contributed the most to the modern world. Long Live the UK my brother.
NumberDne 10 months ago
Another fine interview from Alex Salmond, although..not sure about what he said on most natural ally being English over Norway, Scotland does have a lot more in common as a nation with Norway rather than it does with England.
If there was a division league group of countries..Scotland would be in the same as Norway, Switzerland, Ireland, Finland and Sweden.
England would belong in the group with France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
Scotland would be a rich northern country with full independence.
segano1 1 year ago 2
@segano1 Norway over England? So 300 years of union in which England, Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland rose to the top of the world with the greatest empire ever (England being the main driving force) which paved the way for most of Scottish interests to be exported and promoted all over the globe, today the UK still one of the greatest world powers allowing Scotland to punch above its weight in the world, all this history and current and you say Norway over England?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Wtf? What you on about? We do have more in common with Norway as a nation than we do with England, similar location, similar population, similar natural resources, in fact we have a slightly bigger population than Norway, we have more endless natural resources than Norway and they are one of the richest nations in Europe, the difference is though, they invest in their resources where as the UK government squanders as much as it can get.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 Ok so do you speak Norweigan now? Do you watch the Norway football leagues and Norweigan dramas and soaps? Ok then maybe you can apply for the Norweigan army and not the British mullitary? Sorry pal but Scottish culture is not more like Norway, it is more like England's. And you say "English don't really cross our minds that much" LOL, again i must say to you - sorry pal, but Scottish identity is built on relations with England. (flower of Scotland ring any bells?)
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne And on your earlier comment about Scots being more similar to the English rather than the Norweigians, I was talking about being similar to them in terms as a nation not culture, we have similar resources, similar populations (Scotland has about half a million more), we're not that far away from each other in the same way you aren't from France.
We were a nation long long before this unelected union, and have been sovereign a lot longer than a unionist nation in total.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 I dont see Scottish & Norwegian soldiers going into battle together as a team fighting & dying 4 the protection of Scottish & Norwegian lives and soil do you? I dont see thousands of Scottish/norwegian relationships,marriages and families happening effectively & increasingly cross breeding the 2 countries. However all these things are happening between UK nations. If Oil and population size is your only argument for Scotland being more like Norway than England then its a non starter.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Also I see you've now tried a hand in the whole issue of genetics to help your unionist argument this time as well as dropping the unionist strong flawed hand of money and economy.
Well the vast overwhelming majority of today's Scots descend from their Caledonian Pictish natives of old Scotland (Alba) as proved with the genetic haplotype 'OGAP4' code, that's quite distinct enough from England, also have you sort of noticed that Anglo Americans don't care about England or St.George?
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 & Scotland is much further away from Norway than England is 2 France so dont try drawing any similarities there.
So then Segano,. Outside of oil and population size, (on which many countries on earth could draw similarities) tell me about the many more ways in wich Scotland is more simillar to Norway than England, I'l give you one - Scotland's Current royal family are related to the Norwegian royal family.....Doe! The Scottish royal family is actually the British royal family. arghh
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Norway isn't much further from Scotland than it is from London - look at a Euro map. If you're in London in England then you'll be closer to France than Scotland, we are just as far away from Norway as we are to London, and we're a lot closer to Ireland than we are to England, plus we have more in common with them than the English too.
Scotland don't have a royal family either, Scotland's royal family and monarchy ended with the Stuarts, plus the Royals in England are more German now.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 Only in YOUR mind is Scotland undermind within the British name. The majority of Scots take the advantage of being part of the UK, one of the world's most important and influencial countries, with a deeply rich history and high status. Being part of the UK greatly helped and helps Scottish brands to be promoted and exported to the world. If you dont believe me then just read about the economy of Scotland on Wiki.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne You'll soon see right every single poll done said they would rather see Alex Salmond of the SNP become Scotland's first minister, even Labour polls show 35% of Labour voters want to see Alex Salmond be Scotland's first minister rather than London based Labour leader Iain Grey.
Dirty Cancerous London Labour unionist bastards now try to steal SNP platforms now after voting against it budget after budget.
Imitation may be seen as the best form of flattery, - just as it shows weakness.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 And i know that London is closer to France than it is to Scotland, That was the point i was making. If England and France are so close but are still completely defferent then what for Scotland and Norway which are much further away from each other than England and France are? And London is not England is it. England is joined to Scotland so i dont know what point you were trying to make about Scotland being far away from London. Remember Northern England? Newcastle etc?????
NumberDne 11 months ago
@segano1 "Scotland is a lot closer to Ireland than we are to England" LOL WTF?? Has somebody bumped your head or something? ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND ARE JOIND TOGETHER ON THIS ISLAND!! YOU ARE NOT JOINED TO IRELAND SO HOW CAN SCOTLAND BE CLOSER TO IRELAND THAN IT IS TO ENGLAND!!. for fuck sake, you are really givin me a fuckin headache with your bullshit!
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne And we are closer to Ireland than London, not just in proximity but culturally as well and England aren't directly joined on to Scotland, the river tweed is the main physical separation and boundary between Scotland and the Poms, before it was Hadrian's wall, when half of Northumberland was once originally Scottish land, as the north side of Northumberland extends over Hadrian's wall.
Take a look at the the map Ireland is right next to the Scottish hebrides (the 700+ Scottish islands)
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne Dirty stinkig unioist cunt!!!!
Fuk you and shove the union up your arse you dirty old bastardised cunt,
reading a few of your comments was a cringe,
you shame england!
Englanistan 11 months ago
@Englanistan Your name suggests your whole meaning of life is about England. Go and sing your favourite anthem, doe, thats about England too.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Yeah im about england mate so what, you are an embarrasment though all you go on about is britian fuck britian, fuck the uk and fuck you mate.
get a life and look to the future
Englanistan 11 months ago
@Englanistan I have a life and i am looking to the future, so maybe you should get a life and stop looking back to the 1300s separatism.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne you dont have a life atall mate, all you go on about is the past and the empire shit when everyone has moved on now and want to control themselves.
you sound like some kind of Jew trying to support marxist view ponts, i take it you support the EU state? sad twat.
Englanistan 11 months ago
@NumberDne
What an concentrate on the Victorian era?
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Englanistan And you aint from England either you cunt, And you definately aint from London, the hateful videos on your channel of England prove that you aint from England.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@segano1 More bullshit about "Queen liz 2 not being Scotlands monarch" . So is her name accidentaly written as QEii Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? was she accidentally given Balmoral castle? is it a lies that Prince Philip is the Duke of Edinburgh? fuck sake what is wrong with you?
"Royals in England are more German now" well duhh! many of the peoples in Europe are of Germanic descent. As for the British royals they have a mixture of european ancestry as do all of europe's royals.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne On royalty, once again you've failed to read my comment correctly, I said that Scotland's own royal family and great monarch ended with the Stuarts, so there is no "Scottish royal family" - got it?
What you've got is a monarch of the UK that globally is viewed as the English royal family as they are based in England not Scotland! It's just as well they are viewed a English anyway - works perfectly well in our favour, just as when people say Britain is England and Scotland is Scotland.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1
Technically to take it one stage further the Stuarts not only where Scotland's last but the UK's. What's on the throne now is a German import 50 times removed from the bloodline. Mind you the same circumstances could have existed if the Stuarts where still there.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath All royals all over europe have mixed ancestry, so it matters not whether its king William of Orange, Wiliam the conquerer, or king william iV, they have mixed blood
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Mixed is one thing but barley any relation is another. William of Orange left no heirs anyway, the Stuarts took it back briefly and Anne died as the last Queen of Scotland, suprisingly enough exact same time the Union happened. So Anglicans (Scared of having a catholic at the head of their country and CHURCH) invited a man 52nd in line to the throne to take it. Thus underming their own Royal traditions. This is just facts. My opinion I don't care if Elizebeth I of Scotland remains.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath Stupid separatist nationalists. Blabering on about being born on that side of the border 5 minutes from Newcastle. Why do you waste your life on arguing about 5 minutes down the road birth?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Oh right that makes sense. Vancouver is a 40 minute drive from the USA, guess Canada should let Washington D.C make there decisions. Lucky not every country borders another..... wait a minute. Guess Donegal would have no problem with Belfast controlling Ireland affairs or The Ukraine with Moscow polititions screwing them over. Yes this is a Very strong argument.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@NumberDne The monarch in England is irrelevant, unelected (just as the union was), bunch of benefit reliant people who do sweet fuck all but sit on their lazy arses all day while you English bow to them as their slaves.
Where as in Scottish monarchy, kingship and kingdom weren't the same thing, the Scots happily supported their own kings and queens freely, the Scottish people had democratic choice for their kingdom, it was a peoples kingdom for the Scots as the declaration of Arbroath shows.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 Typical separatist nationalist bullshit. Not realizing that we all actually have a common heratige. always fucking making things difficult for the majority of us who just want to get on with our lives without bringing up bullshit from the past. We argued in the 1300s, then we got over it by uniting and now people like you want to take us back 700 years to separation and vexing and arguing all over again. You claim to want to move forward and yet you want to take us back 700 years.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
So nothing happened between 1300(Braveheart) and 1700? Lets not try and delude facts, the English would never give up on taking Scotland. Our waters too much of a strategic advantage, our presence an undermining of England's military capabilities our allience with france too much of a threat, so instead of an English empire call it British, instead of Anglican and Presbyterian call it Protestant. Religion is one of the main reasons the UK was formed that and national racketeering.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath LOL your alliances with france? aka alliance just becauseyour enemy was their enemy? still managed to kick both your asses. what a shameful alliance. So stick your "alliances." and what did your alliance with france ever do for Scotland? sweet fuck all, thats what. And to this day, your whole identity and reason for being is centered on relations with England. (refer to flower of Scotland). Now you and the whole world speaks ENGLISH! so suck it! ok.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Sorry are you retarded our something? I was explaining why the union was created I wasn't boasting about any alliances and now come the insults, the past 'kicking of our asses' (really?) So it is you that is clearly anti-scottish and living in the past. Your entire empire was built on taking Scotland, 'rebellious scots to crush'? If your so upset or look down on Scotland with as much distain as you've just showed then why cry about the fact we want to leave Englishman?
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath "with as much distain as you've just showed" You insulted me so what u want me to do? pull down your pants & kiss your arse? ill do no such thing, u insult me so i will do the same back to u, with interest. "split personality" all the nations in the uk have pooled soverignty 2 create a solidarity effect. United we're, stronger than we are divided, and together we share the bigger identity of being British. You may choose not to take advantage of that but the rest of us do.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Together we share a bigger Identity, again a retarded non statement, together we could share a massive European identity. So basicly your making clear that British overwelms the Scottish identity, bad because the British Identity basicly is the English one with the colour blue added.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath You may not like it, but the fact is, this is the UK, The United Kingdom, Whether from Scotland Wales Northern Ireland or England, the world knows us as British. Any misunderstanding the outside world has with mistaking England for Britain is because of people like you who do not take advantage of being British. Rather you want to moan and groan about something which happened 300 years ago which brought unity and togertherness to this Island.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne And England the driving force? lol Yea if you want to boast about sticking your nose in other nations business and colonising them while sucking up all their resources.
England's contributions are no more greater than Scotland's, especially considering the population.
To tell you the truth, the English don't really cross our minds that much, that may surprise you but we couldn't give a shit to be honest.
England would not have got anywhere near as far on it's own in terms of others.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 And you contradict yourself by saying "England the driving force if boasting about colonising, sticking nose in other's business and sucking others resources" and then further down you say "England's contibution is no greater than Scotland's". Either England was the main driving force and Scotland didnt participate as much in colonising, sticking nose in etc, Or.. Scotland did contribute as much as England in the Empire bad aspects and good,. You cant have it both ways.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne And You'll see that other comment I made was actually a counter for YOUR contradiction, you boasted that England was the driving force of the whole UK, and I said by saying that you are admitting that all the slavery and colonisation and resource stealing from other nations was largely all thanks to the English seeing as they were the "driving force", I was talking about Scotland's contributions, you therefore must've categorised colonisation under the category of contributions yes?
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 Talk about breaking up the UK to those in Scotland in the UK defence industry. Shipyards employing thousands to build UK millitary vessels aircraft carriers etc. The uk Millitary bases in Scotland, etc all these assets would be withdrawn from Scotland and set up in the rest of the UK. & what for the Scottish soldiers who want to stay part of a significant millitary force? are you saying "sod them, they must join the English/ Welsh/ Northern irish army or make do with a tiny army?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne I've heard every single propagated unionist view that you've posted several times the past few years and every time you hear it, it gets dis-proved more as time goes on, and the unionists and their views get weaker. A good nationalist told me once, you're only British when you're in the army, other than that you are always Scottish, Welsh, English or N.Irish. Unionism was created for the elite's ideologies and then Imperialists, but now...miraculously it's for the sake of everybody?
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne We had a 300+ year union, but so what? It doesn't make us the same people now does it? A union is not forever, we have our own origins, ways, cultures, ideals etc.
The union is from the age of empires, a product of it's time that has since long ended, why should an ageing, gradually dis-banding, declining, rancid old union that doesn't do anyone any good in this day and age remain?
It's holding the nations back, as no one can make their own decisions.
segano1 11 months ago 8
@segano1 "A union is not forever",? "the age of unions are dying".?
So then i take it you think that the Union of the United States of America will not last for ever? Or what about the coming North American Union? Or what about the European Union? Age of unions dying?
There are pushes towards unions all over the world, you need to get more information on how the world is going. Unions are coming not going. The bigger the country you are in a union, the more influence you have in it
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne The United States are a union of states where as the United Kingdom is a union of of nations and a badly outdated union too as the name shows, that's the difference between the UK and US, plus the US is vast so obviously they would need local states that deal with a separate part of the whole nation.
The EU is like the US but instead of loads of states united it's loads of nations, where they all have their own seats at the EU and their identity and cultural power for their own nation
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 The US is a union of states and so is the UK. Even in the EU, even bigger countries than Scotland or England are called states such as germany. Every country in the EU is refered to as a state. You really need to study the macro-economic state of the future. The UK is in an increadable position of controling the fufture with London and Edinburgh leading the way. But snp supporters want to keep bringing up old 1300's squables on this island which we resolved long ago.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne The US is a union of states as I already said before but the UK is not, the UK is a union of nations, only unionists such as you would ever deny this and claim them as states as it suits your unionist agenda. Germany is only referenced as a state in some documents particularly from an EU stand point but regardless of this it is also a nation too.
And Scottish independence is not based on passed events as the unionists are brainwashed into thinking, it's for Scotland's best interests.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne The union is a cancer to Scotland, as long as Scotland remain in it the more it damages Scotland, London's the most subsidised part of the UK, Britain is bankrupt as a union but not the individual nations. The SNP want the best for Scotland and are the only Scottish based party out there aside from the SSP, they are the only party who will give the Scots the democratic choice on independence, all other parties are London based cancerous disease ridden disasters who'll vote it down.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Do you have a unionist magic 8 ball? With the favourite sayings? 1)The oil will run out. 2)This isn't 1314 or Braveheart. 3)Look at Ireland's economy. 4)Remember WW2 & the Empire. 5) Do you want Brussels to control Scotland? 6)Scotland's just a state like Florida.... All BS.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@Cybopath Do youhave a separatist 1 ball "We have all these natural resources" ?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Wow amazing comeback. No friend I just have common sense and a bit of pride. That says why can't my country just be even with any other European county and have someone sit in the E.U. Why does my country have a split personality where sometimes it's a country and other times a region? Why can't a Strong independent Scotland be in a union with England instead of handing over it's control to the UK? Why does no one realise that Scotland could be a commonwealth nation?
Cybopath 11 months ago
@NumberDne
P.S we do have natural resources and by per head of population instanly have more than any other British country.
Cybopath 11 months ago
@segano1 The EU is not like the US because the USA has a mentality of all working for The USA. Much like the way that the UK should all work for the UK. The EU is different. The EU has many countries within it who all work for the bettering of their own individual country in the EU. The smaller the country within the EU - the lesser impact or influence that country makes in the EU.. As the United Kingdom, we are 4th power in the world after USA, China, & Russia., divided we are less.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne
Cont...The Irish now openly say they want to make the senior bond holders take some of the bank losses. That is not the EU Financial Class's game plan. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK will like the sound of it. Because for senior bond holders read their banks, big funds and insurance companies.
This was always about bailing out other nations' banks and any restructuring of who takes what losses will simply make that clear.
segano1 11 months ago
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@NumberDne
Cont...The Irish now openly say they want to make the senior bond holders take some of the bank losses. That is not the EU Financial Class's game plan. Neither France nor Germany nor the UK will like the sound of it. Because for senior bond holders read their banks, big funds and insurance companies.
This was always about bailing out other nations' banks and any restructuring of who takes what losses will simply make that clear.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne We will simply get to see which banks in which countries suddenly have to raise cash or get another bail out. Not only would it be a very public humiliation but it would also tell the world which banks were weakest. Given that banking is almost entirely based upon lies this would not be a good outcome for the union.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne You've obviously no decent knowledge on the monetary system It would be good if more people would download and watch the "Zeitgeist Addendum" film. It explains the monetary system well.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne We have a lot more in common with Norway than the English.
Our identity with England is very limited, the vast majority of Scots do not identify themselves as "British" and rightly we shouldn't, as England is like mini America, it has nearly 90% of the UK population, which means Scotland has only around 10% - 12% influence, yet since Scotland gained back it's sovereign parliament it's probably the only nation in the world that pays it's foreign neighbour to speak on it's behalf.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 majority in Scotland understands that it is not about money anymore. majority unionist support shows its not just about money anymore, goes much deeper than that. But then there are some who have seen a carrot being waved in front of them, and their eyes start rolling with dollar signs. I think ive told you a saying before that earth has enough to supply every mans need but not every mans greed. and thats all you are is a person who would probably sell your own mother for a price.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne You say the cancer of unionism "goes much deeper than money" - so how deep exactly? Just bragging to the rest of the world "Oh look at us we ruled 1/4 of the world, look at the achievements, look at the progress we once made as a union" - now that's going on about the past, where as we nationalists are about the future, the empire and emperialism are dead and they've been dead a long time, and there's no reason that we should all pretend it still exists while holding back the nations.
segano1 11 months ago
@NumberDne I tell you one thing, you're a complete new breed of a brainwashed unionist, as you argue that unionism isn't about money and the majority understands that, while the majority of unionists strongest arguments is always about money, the economy, "oh we subsidise you, you can't leave us" etc.
And even that's all wrong as it's just typical dumb BBC watching brainwashed unionist myth makers trying to dis-courage the Scots right to the normality of self determination and independence.
segano1 11 months ago
We are not part of France because we are not joined to france, we dont speak the same language as france and we haven't been in a 300 year union with france. we didn't create an empire with france, we didn't lead the industrial revolution with france, we dont take part in the olympics with france need i go on? all of these things we have done as Great Britain. Long before some oil fields turned up in the north sea which sent your eyes rolling with dollar signs.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne No you're not connected to France - can you point where I ever said you were?
Using your good ole' unionist logic of "land connection" - does this fine piece of logic mean we can pretend that Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and Italy are all the same country? - seeing as they are all supposedly connected to each other?
And as a side note - a lot of the English vocabulary is derived from French words, and France was a major part of England's birth - see "England, a colony of France"
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 LOL @ England a colony of france, Wow that video was really made by the worlds greatest historian, aka, a French patriot who hates England because we kicked french ass all over the globe. LOL now i definately now you'r bonkers to site that video LOL. And does spain portugal france germany all speak the same language? like we do in the UK? are they all surrounded by the sea as we are? have they fought bled and died for each other as we have? no
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne ROFL! Ok what the fuck was the point posting that comment twice lol.
England was a colony of France, it's fact, that French guy wasn't abusing England, he was simply stating facts, if you look all these facts up you'll find England was ruled by France as a colony for 400 years by Norman kings from France with the Plantegenet. And I sited that video as a side note, not a main note to support my argument here, as you were acting like France had nothing to do with England or it's origin.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 As 4 colony of france all needs be said about that is this. Was England ever called new France? No, Those kings were known as kings of England, just in the same way queen Lizzy ii is. They fought for England aginst France and owned half of france including paris so actually half of France was a colony of England As said before all of europes royals have mixed blood, We dont exactly call england colony of Germany just because queen lizzy has some german blood. & Normans were vikings
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne You talk some pure shite right enough.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela What have i said that is shyte?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne eh? what do you mean what have I said that's shyt?
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne And I don't care who speaks what, I can sit here picking contradictions out your argument all day, you were talking like having a closer proximity to a certain country than another country was a reason for being politically united despite the fact this is the 21st century where the modern world is fully globalised now, your argument and fine piece of logic of "land connection" would make a good argument in the old world, but in the modern world it's completely irrelevant.
segano1 11 months ago
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NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Also We don't exactly speak the same language either, yes we can use English, but so does the French and they still use their own language just as much if not more, in Scotland their's 'Scots' - an actual language not just a dialect, and then there is the ancient Scots-Gaelic language which contains components of the ancient Scots Caledonian Pictish ancestors language.
It was unionism that influenced the English language in to Scotland in the 1600's as it was useful for trade.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 "and they still use their own language just as much if not more". So are you trying to tell me that people in Scotland speak Scots or anything else other than English more than they use English? You really are one of those people who has delusions of grandure because your country of 5 million has been part of a 62 million population, 2.6 trillion economy. If you do get your wish of breaking the union then your delusions will come crashing back down with a bump.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Canada and the USA speak a similar language while being of close proximity and do they decide on each others affairs and speak on the others behalf? No!
And yes Scots do speak "Scots" just as well as English, Scots-Gaelic is a separate language of Scotland all together and another separate story.
Being part of a bigger populated nation is a good reason enough for why Scotland should leave this sinking rancid ole' union, as Scotland is undermined by the more populated nation.
segano1 11 months ago
@segano1 Why do you keep mentioning all these countries like Canada and USA who havent even been in a 300 year union? in what way do you draw similarities? Language only? it is you who is using the language alone to support your argument. The UK is about alot more than just language. And you need to check up on NAFTA, It is the soon coming North American Union in which Mexico, the USA and Canada will be United into one Kingdom/country. seperation is regression, It is taking steps backward.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Actually France did own England and they owned it just like the Romans did.
Calengela 11 months ago
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NumberDne 11 months ago
@segano1 Union is simple macro economics. It is inevitable. Small separate nations were in the past, Unions are the Future. It is separation which is rancid and outdated. Separation has been in existence from the very beginning. All of Europe was separated into small kingdoms for centuries. Small kingdoms became bigger and bigger, and then recently united to form what we have today. As i said, separation is taking a backward step and thats why theres unionist party Majority in Scotland
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne unionist majority in scotland? is tht why they have a nationalist government? you moron
Calengela 11 months ago
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@Calengela "unionist majority in scotland? is tht why they have a nationalist government? you moron" If you dont even know that majority in Scotland is unionist parties, then theres not much i can do for you. Scotland is your own country and you dont even know that the majority of parties in Scotland are unionist?
Fuck me, what the fuck are you being taught in school for you not to know that.?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne thats because Scotland is still partly half in the union you absolute moron, when Scotland become independent which is inevitable, they will have many other parties forming to offer alternative adminstrations.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela Theres nothing inevitable about the UK breaking up. The oil is running out, the push for alternative fuels is on the rise and Unions all over the world are coming into being. p.s the fact you didnt know that majority of parties in Scotland are unionist says all i need to know about you.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne There's over 60 years of Scottish oil left, and that's if it's part of the UK, just imagine how much longer it'll last in Scotland's hands and they can invest in it like Norway did rather than squander it like the UK did.
And you forgot Scotland will become a world leader in renewables in future which is already in process.
And if the Scottish oil is running out then why did a tory minister admit last week that "it'll benefit the England for decades if Scotland stay with us"
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela Well at least you are honest to admit that the reason you want to break away is simply because of oil. At least you dont try to act as if it is down to all that other bullshit. Basically, most of Scotland's greatest achievements have been made possible because of being part of the UK. The oil was found by British Petroleum. Things where Scotland goes without England end up being like the difference between The English premier league and the Scittish Premier League..
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne It is inevitable, the UK is dying, that's why you have this dis balance right now thanks to devolution which the Scots wanted for a long time because they want to run their ow affairs, you should just leave them along, it's purely up to them not you.
are you a marxist?
do you support the EU?
Calengela 11 months ago
Who is going on about the past? me or you? You are talking about going back 300 - 1000 years at least in the past when europe was seperated into small little pieces . I am talking about the inevitalbe future which is unions and strength in unity. you are the one looking to the past
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne So you are a marxist then? you want everyone in the world to destroy each others freedon and separation and rightfull sovereignty and destroy all that history and heritage?
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne england has 50 million people, the Scots are not as overcrowded as they have 5+million, how would it make a difference to england if independent?
Scots created the modern world and you say to them they aren't capable of running their own nation 100% exclusively?
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela "Scots created the modern world" LOL. Any Scots that took part in creating the modern word did it because they were part of the United Kingdom. Scotland without England could not have done anything to do with creating the modern world. It was England which was the main driving force behing the industrial revolution. You should be thankfull that Scotland was allowed to participate as part of the UK in the industrial revolution
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne That's a lot of rubbish that and this little quote that no historian has ever been able to argue will destroy your bias
"Out of all the nations of the world, perhaps only ancient Greece can beat the Scots when it comes to the contribution of mankind" Winston Churchill (English).
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne An American historian (no Scottish connection) wrote that "Scotland created the modern world the same way as ancient Greece created the old"
"The modern world is seen through the eyes of the Scots"
So the wider worled you see today is largely a Scottish viewpoint.
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne It was the Scottish enlightenment, not the UK that created this, so don't try undemine the Scots like a typical pom and steal what's theirs.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela LOL, my goodness what the fuck are these snp people feeding you? Scotland alone did not and does not have the economic muscle or population to create the modern world. What the fuck are they teaching you? You Scottish extremists really have your head stuck in the clouds. But if you get your wish, and break up the UK, you will hit the ground when you find out what it is to be insignificant.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Englands wealth came from stealing from other nations, engand on their own would never be able to boast wealth like they did in that sad fact of their history.
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne So tell us exactly how will Scotland go back to the 1300's with controlling their own nation?
They can create the modern world yet can't run their own nation yes?
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne England is such a driving force, in your own words that is, yet you seem to fear the Scots running their own nation, you seem obsessed with them.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela I dont fear you running your own nation. And currently, the majority of Scots want to keep this Island united. so i am only supporting their cause.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne The majority of Scots have not had their say you moron, the SNP biggest support came from supporting a referendum on independence, hence why Labour try to vote it down as every London based party will, because they know whats at stake for England.
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne You have a strange obsession with what the Scots are doing and what they want to do, has it ever ocurred to you that it's none of your business?
It's the Scot's business only.
Stop living in the past with the empire and get over yourself ad move on to a future independent england, then you can continue boasting about the empire the.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela It's my business as long as the majority of Scots support unionist parties meaning that the UK is one nation. All you snp extremists on youtube create these videos and all flock to watch them, and then you start thinking that all Scots want a break up of the UK. You YT snp extremists are a tiny portion of the population of Scotland
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne No, it's none of your business on what the Scots want, absolutely nothing, Scotland is ot your nation, your nation is England.
You don't see Scots worried about what the English think, do, plan, do you?
Mind your business and keep your nose out of Scottish affairs.
You are english. concentrate on england.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela I'm Brittish first because i choose to be. I will at the bigger picture and be involved in Brittish affairs, just like you choose to look at the smaller picture and concentrate only on Scottish affairs. Scottish MP's focus on English affairs in westminster so who's to say i can't look into affairs regarding the whole UK?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Your britshit, because you're a stinking unionist ashamed to be english alone, have you ever wondered why so many english don't actually identify with 'english', they want to be associated with britai because it's the only way england has to pretend that it has people on it's side.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela England and Britain are used interchangebly by the world because the world knows that England is the main part. Scotland is just the part that we brought with us to the top. And now we see the ungreatful and shamefull snp minority who have dollar signs rolling in their eyes over oil, pathetic
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne You seem to be getting offended at the Scots creation of the modern world, that's the messed up thing with you outdated emperialists, Scotland should only be seen as great and recognised for it's contributions as British, but as Scottish you try to steal it.
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne Scotland was not brought to the top by England, this whole mess started because the Scottish king took over the English throne creating the union of crowns in 1603, if you say england is the main part of the union due purely on population then that's a perfect nationalist argument you've just used there.
England, the shame of stealing others wealth and credits just to say to the world look at us, so sad.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela Oh so now you'r saying that Scotland was not involved? lol, the majority of those who grabbed land in northern ireland are Scots. not English. Was it not captain Cook who (with Englands Power) reached Australia beginning the interfearance with aborigini's landd?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Englands power? LMFAO! Captain Cook was a Scot, he did that on his own, stop stealing credit from Scotland just because they were in a nation with you shabby lot. It's showing your weak
Calengela 11 months ago
England is the main part due to population, gdp, infrastructure, development, status, success, sports, visiter tourism, cities, entertainment, etc.... need i go on? is that enough reasons why England is the main part?
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Englad is the most populous part due to time in the union where london was used as the de facto (fake) capital of the whole UK, that's why london isn't just english people, infact so few of them there nowadays are english, it's a multicultural city with people all over the world there.
And it's a perfect reason why Scotland is better off getting rid of the english for good and going their own way.
Calengela 11 months ago
@NumberDne To the rest of the world Britain is seen as England anyway, have you wondered why many Scots don't really care about this fact? because it works in the nationalists future interests.
So you calling yourself British to get away from just being english scores a big fat 0
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela
The scotland subside myth was originally intended for scottish eyes only, then people in england became aware in the late 90's and early 2000's. It has backfired on the unionists because it has now put massive strain on their union. I will not discourage anyone from england from believing it, I will however point out the facts to scots. Scottish unionists are moving to the Independence camp in droves because they are sick and tired of repeating the facts.
1scot4scotland 11 months ago
@1scot4scotland Other way around, its the unionists that said Scotland was being subsidised in order to stop nationalists from voting independence, when the whole time it was Scotland that was the subsidy and has been for over two decades now.
Many unionists are going independent because they know the union is a toxic shower of shit, I use to support Scottish unionism but after I seen the lies and covering up I can see why they did it in london because they knew Scotland would be far better off.
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela Scotland is not big enough to subsidise England. Scotland is a mere fraction the size of England. the oil is a small annual franction of GDP for England. Nobody is holding Scotland from voting for indepence but Scots themselves. I dont know where you get the idea that. London is holding you back. Look a little closer to home good man, Holyrood and majority of Scottish people dont want the UK to break up. I have no vote on it niether does any other Englishman.
NumberDne 11 months ago
@NumberDne Scotland is nearly the same size as England you moron, take a picture of Scotland and overlay it on top of england and you'll see that england is only about 20% bigger in terms of landmass.
And size is irrelevant when it comes to subsidy as it's the resources that count the most.
And unionist parties are stopping the Scots from voting as they can combine with other unionist parties in parliament and create a majority to vote down the referendum denying the people the democratic choice
Calengela 11 months ago
@Calengela whether land mass size or population England is still the main part, stop with the semantics. The majority of Scots vote for Unionist parties who dont want a referendum. which ever way you try to put it the majority of Scots dont want to break the union. simple as that. Even recent polls show snp and labour neck and neck, and thats without including the other unionist parties.
NumberDne 11 months ago