If anyone was outside on that warm summer August evening you could not miss the event. It was seen by many people from many states all the way up and down the east coast. I don't know how far inward it could be viewed but it was awsome.
Sometime back in the 80's it once again surfaced in the News and had a name attached to the event as someone in the family mentioned it to me. I have tried to find info on it but seems impossible.
Many test rockets were launched off this island off Virgina.
if you look good, in the middle its dark, that is the brown dwarf, there is going energy to the sun, so that spiral is not in our atmosphere, but in space.
"Do you actually think about these things before replying at all?' lol... do YOU actually think before coming up with a bunch of IFs to explain your crazy theory that this was the Russian missile? "which could easily be put down to faulty sensor or sensors on the rocket" LMFAO...
@siamsurf Certainly more explanation than your "but theres a science station somewhat like the HAARP facility in that general direction"... That's fine if you ignore the capability of those research stations and assume they can do something which they are not capable of doing LOL.
My point was that if you have radar data saying the missile is going the right way, and screwy data from a sensor onboard the missile which do you believe? Why destroy a missile that appears to be going the right way?
@ferrett78 man this is getting boring, just because your theory makes more sense in you personal opinion, does not make it a fact or any more "real" than any other theory. You continuing to try an come up for reason why your theory could be true is just as "out there" as my theory that is was the facility that is located there causing the spiral. They main difference between my theory and yours is, that yours was officially refuted by official sources, and that is a fact.
@siamsurf "They main difference between my theory and yours is, that yours was officially refuted by official sources, and that is a fact."
No - it wasnt. As Ive already pointed out. The first Russian source denied any knowledge of a missile launch, but after being questioned by the media who knew a launch was scheduled, the Russians admitted to a launch.
Official sources havent refuted that it was the dance of the sugar-plum fairies either - does that give that theory more credit too?
@siamsurf But hey - you can choose to ignore the known fact that there was a rocket launched in a location and direction (and is actually capable of creating a spiral like the one seen) that would leave a trail exactly where the spiral was at exactly that time... and choose to put forward the theory that some unknown physical process formed the spiral from a research station that happens to be in that direction, with no additional evidence...
@ferrett78 you do realize that by claiming the spiral was a failed missile test you are literally touting out a conspiracy theory? Officially to this date no-one knows what caused that spiral, and you are literally "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence".
@siamsurf "and you are literally "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence"."
As I pointed out, the rocket explanation is the only one that actually HAS supporting evidence. The Russians admit testing a missile at that time. The behaviours of the spiral is that of a missile. There was advance warnings of a missile test.
Its not a conspiracy theory because I introduce no conspiracy to explain it. That would be kind of a key element in a "conspiracy theory", no?
@ferrett78 do you really not get it? By saying that there is "supporting evidence" you are saying that there is evidence supporting your conspiracy theory, the theory that "the spiral in the lights was the Russian missile", which not only the Russians deny but also has no support from any other government. So you are actually putting yourself in the draw of those "government conspiracy theorists"... it's funny, that you refute any supporting HAARP evidence, while believing a theory to be reality
@siamsurf "o you really not get it? By saying that there is "supporting evidence" you are saying that there is evidence supporting your conspiracy theory"
*sigh* You still dont get the point that to be a conspiracy theory there needs to be a CONSPIRACY... Since mine doesnt, it's just a theory. The only theory that HAS supporting evidence, mind you. The ONLY thing the HAARP idea has even approaching supporting evidence is "EISCAT is in that direction".
@ferrett78 "*Sigh* You still dont get the point that to be a conspiracy theory there needs to be a CONSPIRACY... Since mine doesnt, it's just a theory. " To even suggest that this was the Russian missile, you are also suggesting that there was and is a conspiracy, namely the Russian government's lie about having not caused whatever we are seeing in the video and also they would have broken the law by firing the thing so close to the coast of Norway, while claiming it was fired 1100km away.
@siamsurf "the Russian government's lie about having not caused whatever we are seeing"
They didnt lie - they said they didnt know if there was a connection - which is entirely possible. They knew they fired a missile, but if they didnt see the spiral from where they were, then they have no proof of a connection. That's not a conspiracy - just politics.
"they would have broken the law by firing the thing so close to the coast of Norway"
ok, enough about the theories, how about a simple fact:
1. The Russians never said the spiral in Norway were from their missile
2. The Russians did say they didn't know what the lights in Norway were
The only connection between the spiral and the missile is the one that was drawn by the mainstream media. Officially, this was NOT a missile, that is a fact. If you don't believe me, try to find a single gov't official saying they know it was the Russian missile.
@siamsurf Actually, after the sighting the Russians denied it was a missile launch, but after pressure from international media they admitted to launching a missile which failed at that time. The connection between the spiral and the missile are numerous and fit the laws of physics, while the connection to EISCAT are limited to "its in that direction!" and dont actually fit the laws of physics. The only laws they DO fit are those of "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence".
The Russian gave a no fly warning for the area where they tested their missile.
The Russians only said that the lights in the sky (spiral) was not their Missile, and they still say that.
Again, this was not the Russian missile according to Gov't officials from any country you ask, the only connection between the Russian failed missile and the spiral was drawn on TV and the rest of the mainstream media.
@siamsurf Nope. They did issue notice to surrounding countries that they would be launching a test, and they did issue navigation warnings to keep clear for several days (both before and after the actual test), but they initially denied they had launched the test missile. Three days after the spiral was spotted, they admitted they had launched the missile but that they were unaware of a connection to the spiral. They were the only two statements Ive seen made and I wouldnt expect any more.
@siamsurf Bulava-class SLBM. Just because they are unaware of a connection to the spiral doesnt mean there isnt one. I suspect the Russians want as little to do with this as possible, given the quite poor test record of the Bulava.
However, it's in the right place, at the right time, exhibiting behaviour which is unusual, but consistent with a rocket third-stage problem. Its the ONLY explanation that doesnt rely on breaking the laws of physics and/or introducing major conspiracies.
@ferrett78 it was not at the right place. Here is a "law of physics" for you. If the blue spiral in the center that points all the way to the ground would have bee a smoke trail, then at the bottom it would have been 700miles or over 1,200km far away. Also, it would mean that the rocket was spiraling all the way from the start, which makes a fail at the 3rd stage highly unlikely, as an out of control missile is immediately detonated... anyways, keep believing your theory, I do in mine
@siamsurf "If the blue spiral in the center that points all the way to the ground would have bee a smoke trail, then at the bottom it would have been 700miles or over 1,200km far away."
You do understand the concept of "over the horizon", dont you? It's not pointing to the ground - it runs over the horizon.
"Also, it would mean that the rocket was spiraling all the way from the start"
Nope - just from a point behind the mountains - over the horizon.
@siamsurf " fail at the 3rd stage highly unlikely, as an out of control missile is immediately detonated."
Well they would be relying on telemetry data actually. So if the missile is travelling in generally the right direction - which it was - they would first wonder why some data was unusual. Then as they worked out that the rocket was not behaving as planned, THEN they detonate.
"Here is a "law of physics" for you."
Strange - you didnt make a point involving physics.
@ferrett78 "Well they would be relying on telemetry data " are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of night vision? The missile was fired from a military submarine, not from some guy in the backyard. "Strange - you didnt make a point involving physics." lol... yes I was, it just takes the ability to identify a math problem in a sentence. I give you a clue, angle of center spiral pointing towards the ground vs distance at take-off.
@siamsurf "Have you ever heard of night vision? The missile was fired from a military submarine"
So they launched the missile, quickly surfaced so they could get out the binoculars eh? No. They use telemetry like any proper rocket launch. Watch a shuttle launch. They dont get altitude, distance downrange, engine performance, etc by looking you know - its from telemetry.
"angle of center spiral pointing towards the ground"
Again, its not towards the ground, it's over the horizon.
@ferrett78 If you seriously think that their "telemetry" would not tell them that their missile is spiraling all they way "over the horizon", then I'm just angry that I wasted my time discussing this with you...
@siamsurf If the missile is headed in roughly the right direction at close to the right velocity, then the only screwy data would be regarding the rockets attitude/spin, which could easily be put down to faulty sensor or sensors on the rocket. The data from radar etc would tell them that the rocket is headed generally the right way, which would make them reluctant to immediately destroy it...
Do you actually think about these things before replying at all?
@siamsurf And again - since the EISCAT facility is incapable of causing the spiral using any known physics, it's not surprising that no official source mentions it one way or the other. Should official sources make statements regarding every possible cause? The Easter bunny perhaps? how about Batman?
The fact that official sources ADMIT to launching a rocket at that exact time is evidence FOR the theory - not against it.
@SylphViper Ahh of course. So we should believe that it was something physically incapable of generating the spiral which hasnt been admitted to at all instead. Seriously? What kind of logic is "blame it on something that wasnt admitted to, by a method we cant explain, because its more likely than something that WAS admitted and which behaves exactly as expected by the laws of physics"?
@SylphViper Are you really going to ask the SAME questions on a different video? Im happy to point out how you are wrong here too... The lighting is due to the material ejected from the SLBM being backlit by the Sun. It's around 160km in altitude, and you can see the horizon beginning to lighten near dawn in several photos. Thus, the ejecta is being lit by the Sun while it is still over the horizon to people on the ground.
Since the object is in space, there is nothing to stop the fuel/ice particles from moving outwards with the same speed and direction that they were ejected with (Newton's first law...)... The only thing restricting the size would be the density of particles - as they become less dense, they reflect less light, until it's no longer visible to the eye.
So how exactly did you come to the knowledge of how large a spiral of ejected material from an SLBM 'should' be?
@ferrett78 Again, the missile is spinning in a spiral, but the missile must be STAYING ON THE SAME COURSE and NOT changing it's angle. Because if it did, the lighting would have changed dramatically. But fact is, the light isn't hitting the "exhaust" like a normal light reflection would. And not only that, but there is a CONE OF BLUE LIGHT TRAILING TO THE SPIRAL. The missile theory CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR THAT. It's NOT a missile.
@SylphViper Why would the lighting change? The light source has nothing to do with the angle the missile is travelling at, since I already said the lighting source is the Sun. The particulate matter is merely reflecting that light. Ive already covered the blue trail too - that happens occasionally from missile exhaust at high altitude. See the WISE launch for an example. (watch?v=YbsIn5OtEMM about 1 minute in)
@ferrett78 Uh, YES, the light source has everything to do with it, because a REFLECTION CAN ONLY BE SEEN IF THE ANGLE IS CORRECT. The light source is obviously remaining stationary, but the object which is supposedly REFLECTING the light is MOVING. Go shine a laser in the mirror and figure it out. As for the video you showed me, I'm going to point out some extremely huge flaws in your logic.
@SylphViper Im waiting for the extremely huge errors you were going to point out... When you watch the water droplets from a sprinkler reflect sunlight, does it matter which way the droplets are heading? No. The only thing that matters is the angle between the Sun, the droplets, and your eye. For something as small as the spiral, there is essentially no difference in that angle from one side to the other - therefore it reflects evenly.
@ferrett78 That is, it SHOULD have reflected evenly. However, it didn't. And as for the huge error, I pointed it out already...The rocket flare comment...? Perhaps you missed that one...My bad
@SylphViper And as I pointed out, it makes perfect sense if the rocket is further away than in the WISE launch example. You know - like several hundred kilometers as we already worked out several comments ago. And I dont know what you're looking at, but it DOES reflect evenly. Any difference in brightness is easily accounted for by density variations in the particles. ie: it gets dimmer towards the edges, and between the spiral 'arms'.
@ferrett78 If it IS farther than the WISE launch, then it has more power than 8 ICBM rockets combined. You do realize that the speed of the spiral arm is incredible? It's just too fast, especially when you consider the fact that it's an ICBM, not alien tech magnetic thrust engines. As for the exhaust particles, it still makes no sense. The cloud would not be perfectly symetrical, and it would have bumps and flaws.
@SylphViper Actually you are wrong again, on both counts. First, by that stage of flight, a SLBM would be travelling somewhere in the range of 3-5km/sec. No need for any alien technology - that's typical sub-orbital velocity for any ICBM/SLBM.
And the symmetry of the cloud I already explained. A rotating object in space SHOULD have a constant angular velocity unless acted on by an outside force. That's basic physics.
@ferrett78 OMG. THANK YOU, lol...I was trying to figure this out from your perspective and failing, because I had NO idea what simulation you were basing your theory on...That video explained it all, lol. Now I'm gonna have to analyze everything from a different angle....Quite literally. -sigh-
@ferrett78 Yes, I can see the..."Physics," lol. But something still doesn't seem right...Something is missing from the equation, and I can't quite place a finger on it at the moment. I'm still studying up on the footage, time relation data, and all that crap, so I can make a conclusion. I'll let you know when I find any contradictions or important data.
@ferrett78 That is a very good idea, rofl...I forgot to consider that fact that we might be spamming the crap outta this video's comment section ^_^'''''''
@ferrett78 Okay, in the video you showed me, you could SEE the flare from the rocket(the orange/yellow blinking light). Comparing the sizes of the "exhaust" plumes from THIS video and the one you showed me, the Blue UFO cone is LARGER. But in the video, YOU CANNOT SEE THE ROCKET FLARE. This is a HUGE contradiction. It's not a missile, you're grasping at air.
@SylphViper Ever think that perhaps, in the Norway example, the rocket was farther away? And therefore the actual 'flare' was smaller and therefore not visible on the video, while the blue exhaust was still visible because it's larger than the flare?
As for the lighting, the angle doesnt matter? The ejecta is particles of either liquid, or ice. The light shines through it, so the angle at which the particles are ejected is irrelevant.
@ferrett78 Have you even thought about the coincidences that surround this event? Coincidently the Russians had a ICBM fail in its 3rd stage, which coincidentally created a spiral pointing back to the ground and exactly to the US military base that houses a HAARP installation, which coincidently is a missile defense system (look up the official documents), and coincidently this happens in the morning that Obama accepts his Peace Nobel Price in Norway for doing what?
@siamsurf So a bunch of coincidences between half-truths and random events proves a conspiracy? And here I was thinking you'd need evidence.
Alternately, you could ask is it coincidence that a missile with a history of failure was seen from Norway at the time it was supposed to be launched in the direction of the launch site exhibiting behaviour unusual but not unheard of in a missile failure.
@ferrett78 maybe you should research how many US "scientists" work at EISCAT. or just enter "EISCAT conducted studies site:.mil"... you said you know that ISS is 250km up, so I think we can both agree that the missile would never have gone all the way up to 250km when it failed, right? The missile was launched 700km away, and failed on it's last leg into space... this was not the Russian missile, however, it can be explained by what the spiral is literally pointing at.
@siamsurf Actually at third stage separation, you'd be looking at around 160km altitude, and if it traveled the typical SLBM test route, it might be directly above a point around 500km away - which would put it at a point in the sky - gee, exactly where the spiral was seen.
As for your implication that any scientists who earned their degrees in the US must be working for the American government, and therefore the facility must be US military, I can only shake my head.
@ferrett78 The Russian ICBM was launched 700 miles from there... they said that it failed in its 3rd stage.. C care to venture a guess what the 3rd stage of AN ICBM IS? Yes, you guessed it.. It's the stage that boosts the payload into SPACE!
SOOOOOOO.... does this Norway spiral = IN SPACE or even NEAR SPACE?
The Russians have officially announced that this could not have been their rocket.. Also, the blue beam in the center points to or originates from the 2nd HAARP installation of the US that is located up there. Evidence suggest this was a PsyOps to see if the majority will by the missile story for such a never before (and probable never after) seen thing.
@siamsurf The Russians announced this wasnt their missile, even though they admit to firing one at that time, and broadcast on maritime channels to keep the White Sea test launch area clear?
Im sure you have some kind of evidence to back up that claim.
@ferrett78 sure, the proff is called comin sense. IF this would have been a rocket, then you must agree that that funny liiking inner bright blue spiral is also from the Rocket, which would mean the RUssians have a submarine in the mountains of Norway, as the ocean is much further out. The US has a Haarp there. Also, if you really care to find out the truth, research the actual location in the white sea, from where they shot their missile... it was far away, the white sea is huge..
@siamsurf The blue spiral is unusual, but similar has been seen before during rocket launches (see WISE observatory launch available here on YouTube). It's do do with reactions in the upper atmosphere I believe.
I already know where the White Sea is - it's in exactly the direction the spiral trail points past the horizon, in fact.
HAARP and EISCAT are not capable of generating such an effect, while it IS possible using rockets as an explanation.
@siamsurf To give you some sense of perspective, I watched the ISS and shuttle pass over the other night, yet they are around 250 in altitude and passed directly over a location a few hundred kilometers away. Yet you are suggesting similar is not possible with other rockets? Especially ones venting gas into bright sunlight? Seems to me it should be easier to see something like that than the shuttle...
@ferrett78 dude, this was an intercontinental missile, and you can see the spiral all the way behind the montain, IF this were from a rocket, then it would mean it malfunctioned from the point where you start to see the spiral... anyways, if you want to ignore the fact, that the US has a military base exactly where the blue spiral "originaltes" from, the fine... don't worry, be happy...
@siamsurf The first part of your reply is correct - you only see the spiral after it malfunctioned - around separation of the third stage.
The EISCAT facility operates an ionospheric heater similar to the US HAARP facility, but is not affiliated with the US government. It's funded and operated by research institutes and research councils of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Japan, China, the United Kingdom and Germany.
why the fuck wont all of you just accept the fact that there might actually be UFO's? these people take this footage to explain that they are real so just have some respect and stop doubting them ?
this thing as i found out was seen in other parts of the world as well in china, russia, and thiland, likey it was huge ass asterroid. the ring seen at the end of the spiral was a shock wave caused by it brushing the atmosphere
these are time machine tests. if we have developed time machines in the future then right now is the closest time to do it because its not that far back they will still get to see thee families. lol
THIS WAS HAARP. ALL HAARP LOCATIONS ON EARTH WERE STRATEGIC MILITARY DESIGN. HAARP SPIRAL IS A "FORCEFIELD". THIS IS THE BIG SHIELD (MISSILE DEFENCE) PROJECT. DEMONSTRATED IN NORWAY FOR OBAMA'S PEACE PRIZE ACCEPTENCE. OUR PLACEMENTS OF THESE FACILITIES CREATES A PERFECT GLOBAL SHIELD FROM ALL ANGLES OF CHINA AND RUSSIA. THESE FIELDS "EAT" BALLISTIC MISSILES. BE WARNED: THIS TESLA TECHNOLOGY CAN ALSO CREATE DIRECTIONAL EMP, WEATHER ALTERATION, EARTHQUAKES, & MORE.
ummmmmmmmmmm.....first of all the Russians wouldn't ADMIT anything to anyone! so the fact that the Russian government responded that quick on such a strange topic is quite strange if u ask me. And lost time i checked missles dont leave a spiral trail behind them and then dissapear into thin air! I have no doubt in my mind that the CIA is threatening Russia
Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior. Geophysicist Gordon J.F. MacDonald, a specialist in problems of warfare, says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth in this way one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions
Yeah I have one of those so I know EXACTLY what it is. Honestly, don't even try and tell me what it is because nobody knows for sure what it is. I'd wait for a verifiable, convincing explanation. Until then don't even.
This is the USAF operated weapon HAARP.......The gornment feed lies and the people eat like Mcdonalds....At least the baby boom generation does......Not the young gunzs.....
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ITS ALIENS!!!!! ITS A WERMHOLE! ITS ALIENS COMING OUT OF A WERMHOLE!!!!
Or mybe its the New World Orgy trying to fuck with our minds with there Blue Beams of Death. ALL you NWO conspiracy nuts are obviously paranoid schizophrenics who need to take your medication.
for the first few seconds does anyone else notice the rays of light coming off it and going towards the right of the screen, or the opposite perhaps? projected?
Bulava ICBM 3rd stage failure. Great footage showing the rocket's early ascent: watch?v=oUoCc6eX7Ws Similar events Tomsk: watch?v=Jvs_anud2ws China: watch?v=7egjgQEriBM Russia: watch?v=9IFLH8GzQh4 The black "portal" is just an? engine cut out evidenced here in the US launch of the WISE observatory watch?v=YbsIn5OtEMM Spiral time < 1 minute, Bulava 3rd stage burn time is 56 seconds... Total event time under 3 minutes, total Bulava burn time is 3 minutes... Debunking: watch?v=1GSa2wRtZRI
@VancouverCanucksRock It's not perfect, in fact it is slowly moving to the north, if you compare pictures in the movie relative to ground objects, it was slightly moving off...and of course it was following exactly the trajectory of that missile, as well as the timing window Russian Marine posted beforehand, and the launch location... How many more coincidence do you need before you accept the facts?
There is no way this was done my any plain old rocket. The amount of time the traces of it stayed visible is too much. Also even if the rocked started spiraling there is no way that it would stop at a single location just to form a perfect spiral mapped on a single plain.
If you ask me, this is some russian experimental weapon and they decided to cover it by saying it's a rocket.
Lets ask a rocket scientist his/hers opinion on how much force would be applied to a rocket in that situation. I know there are many factors, speed of rocket, mass, distance traveled, but Im sure someone can give an estimate. Any takers??
I was told that this happened December 9 the day before Obama was set to Recieve his Nobel Peace Prize, The Aliens knew of this and wanted to Convey a Message to all people that they exist and that everyone should be aware of them.
haha, its from HAARP ! Definitely! dont know why, but could be many things! could be they shot a missle down with it! I doubt it, but possible! could be them messing with the weather! could be just a hologram to freak everyone out! But it came from HAARP! not the sun, or whats behind it, or the Heavens! more n more I thing about it, it seems it was a hologram, just to get us to look at that n wonder wtf, while they do sum more radical shiz!
@pSychOAtDawn "Look up project bluebeam. Some crazy ass military project the U.S. government" This will never work, but the backup plan is worse.
Look at the higher level London 'project' to position the Chinese and Russians against America via our Israeli 'allies' &The Fed. China via finance/Korea and Russia via Georgia/Iran.
Note also how they built nuke shelters for their people and we only our leaders. Another pertinent item is that nukes were found in the NY Israeli embassy.
... I thought I'd look up Dr Staninger's medical qualifications to get some idea of what other research papers she has published etc, so that I'd at least have an idea how qualified she is to make those statements and I found page after page of 'chemtrail' and 'morgellons' websites, but not a single .edu site, peer-reviewed research paper or reputable resource regarding her qualifications. In short, she showed no evidence and appears to have no qualifications to make such claims!
Not a missile, check out beyosoco to see what is hiding behind the sun and then check out chromelung66 to see how the spiral came from behind the sun and how it relates to ancient times and how they covered it up.....
In the last days there will be many signs in the Heavens. Find out who was visiting Norway that night... To see a real failed missile search for "siberian spiral".
Why would Russia be firing missiles at Norway? Especially at the Peace Prize Convention?
my question is that if it is a misile than why didnt it break up straight away i mean that thing would have been movin to get to that high so it must be going lets say 2000kph maybe more then a sudden turn surely it would have torn apart with the sudden g force change??? just a thought
@UnoRaza 2 - one was seen in Norway, and one in Russia. The one in China was a Chinese rocket misfire at launch, and the one seen over Australia was a US rocket - the SpaceX Falcon9
@UnoRaza Yeah the rock drawings are coincidence, but if you look at what happened, the Norway spiral was definitely the first one to get widespread attention. There were a lot of people saying "it cant be a rocket - it's never happened before"... So people started looking around and within a short period of time you had 2 more sightings (Russia and Australia) and one on the internet from 1988 (China). People merely saw more because they are looking for it! Im certain theyve happened before this
@UnoRaza Its kind of like when you decide you want to buy a red car (or whatever) and then all of a sudden it seems that every second car on the road is red. It's simply because you are primed to notice it.
This is exactly the same with all the people that claim "chemtrails" are real because they never saw them before 1996. Persistent contrails were ALWAYS there - just no one paid any attention! You can even find them in WW2 photos!
@UnoRaza I havent really looked into that much, but I wasnt really impressed with the level of evidence being presented as 'proof' that the disease even exists. Of course I haven't seen any lab reports. From the few articles I read, I was getting a distinct feeling that it was psychological issue, not so much a physical one.
@UnoRaza I did watch that video, but here's the thing - I'm a very evidence-oriented person. If you watch that video and ask "where's the evidence?" you'll see they actually provide NONE. Not a single bit. It's someone claiming all these qualifications talking about what they allegedly saw. All they actually show is a picture of someone in a lab coat holding a microscope. (cont)
@UnoRaza That's my point - she has basically NO credibility. As far as I can tell, not a single one of her claims about her history is true, so why trust anything she says? Especially when she has everything to gain because she is selling cures to people with these conditions for large sums of money... It's in her interest to SEEM knowledgeable, because it supports her ability to earn money.
@ferrett78 What about the Carnicom nano photos with a math symbol on 'human tissue'? (Not to mention all the other strange photos this man has been able to take.)
If I can hear them speak I can usually peg a shill and unless the guy at carnicom is damn good, he's telling the truth.
Naturally, I wish what we see on TV was true, but usually it's crap and we've not become more 'civilized', as some like to speculate; at least our owners have not and they're still calling the wars.
@UnoRaza if you provide a link (PM will be fine) I can take a look - but if evidence like this is coming from one person alone, that's reason enough to be doubtful. One of the hallmarks of good science is the ability to replicate results - if a scientist does an experiment and says "here's my results but no one else will be able to see the same result as me", they are not taken very seriously :-)
By all means be doubtful of TV - but be equally doubtful of the people that say to doubt TV! :-)
@ferrett78 "By all means be doubtful of TV - but be equally doubtful of the people that say to doubt TV! :-)" Lol!
I used to think one had to be more careful of the Internet, but now I'm not so sure after seeing the CNN faked Iraq missile attacks that got released. (Probably by a Muslim.)
@UnoRaza Yeah Im just saying a healthy dose of skepticism is always a good idea. Many people seem to think 'skepticism' means to only doubt what the government or media say, but then forget to apply that same level of doubt to 'free press' etc too!
Generally speaking, I like to look at the evidence, and keep my eyes open for when ppl try to draw conclusions that dont follow from the evidence. eg: "A UFO... It MUST be aliens!" ummm U=unidentified - you need evidence to make any further claims :-)
@ferrett78 " "A UFO... It MUST be aliens!" ummm U=unidentified - you need evidence to make any further claims :-)" Agreed.
In those days I thought NASA was a separate and independent agency from the military and it never occurred to me they'd fake UFOs, as in STS-75.
Then, just to show how stupid the sheeple are, claim symmetrical objects, with distinct IR heat and cold signatures, oscillating what looks like energy, are 'ice and other debris that follow us around.'
@UnoRaza Most footage of that nature can be put down to Newton's First Law though - you could drop a scrap of paper out in the cargo bay and it would track the shuttle in that same position until the shuttle actively changed location... You can usually tell space junk etc that's associated with the shuttle because it appears to maintain position, and quite often 'flashes' bright/dark as it spins and reflects light. Anything that randomly changes direction would be worth looking at though
@ferrett78 The problem with 'peer review', and this has always been the case on political, or large scoped issues like cell phones, only very foolish or naive scientists go against the money in the US.
Also, knew two researchers and let's just say "it aint what it used to be"; the pharma "people" that get their data 'lose' what are called 'AEs'. (Berkeley & Stanford)
AEs are Adverse Events or problems with the medication on trial; this explains all the dead Americans.
@UnoRaza Yeah but the moment you start using "money" as a motivation, you have to look at exactly who has the money. For example, the cigarette companies employed scientists to say "smoking is healthy" when the government was trying to promote the opposite. I believe oil/mining (some of the richest companies there are!) are doing something similar with regard to AGW. They only have to pay a few ppl to spread doubt, and the conspiracy theories take over!
@ferrett78 "They only have to pay a few ppl to spread doubt, and the conspiracy theories take over!"
Yes, but If they would only stop selling it as "news" to the American masses it would not be so bad; it's really embarrassing to those that travel as the rest of the world, as Paul Harvey would say, has, "The Rest of the Story".
@UnoRaza Again, Im not in the US, but as far as news coverage goes I think it's pretty similar over here. I actually don't watch the commercial channels too often as Ive found they arent exactly 'objective'... If I wan't news, I generally turn to (government funded) ABC which has more of a world focus, and generally seems to be less sensationalist (since they arent really after ratings as much as the other channels)
@ferrett78 If you google carnicom and aerosol crimes it should come up; labs in at least two different countries have confirmed the same contents of barium and aluminum.
The nanites these suckers seem to have made require more resolution than all but a very few have.
@UnoRaza - If it was nano-tech the only way to analyse them would be to use an electron microscope. Has this been done? Because if we're talking about regular microscopes that just doesn't cut it.
@ferrett78 - Exactly. All it would take to prove morgellons existed is for one person to undergo real medical testing under laboratory conditions and it would stand out instantly.
For example I've read one account of a doctor who with the patient's permission, used a thick gum (or equivalent) to cover the wound rather than a bandage. Once the patient no longer had access to the wound, it healed normally. These wounds are self-inflicted.
@frostek Yeah I was getting the impression it was related to hypochondriasis, though I havent really looked into it much, so Im not making any judgements just yet. You are right of course - the fact that there is very little medical evidence is highly suspicious. Also the fact that sufferers all seem to associate it with "chemtrails" is interesting - and the fact that the foremost expert seems to have NO legitimate qualifications (*cough* snake oil!) doesnt bode well either!
Its not a missile u ignorant fucks.. it just disapears it would of blown up if it was a misile and it doesnt create a spiral -.- god how many retards are there in this world.
..simply its a circular wave motion of love that is pulsating through the energy field with a particular frequency....actually us humans have set those frequencies as we are evolving into the spiritual beings that we already are, made from the purest love of the infinite creator.
It is simply the rays of creation and love appearing right before you as they interconnect with this reality...you will start to witness more and more often ...as the energies of love intensify..the blue ray that you see is just membranes that have not just merged but have connected so beautifully that a dimensional portal has opened in the matrix
I don't understand people, naming a black Hole, Whatever that spiral was, I'm 100 % is not a black hole. If that's the case It would it be sucking every single item, from air, the atmosphere until suck up the earth.
Its a new Russian weapon, it was an exhibition to America, right before Obama get in Norway.
Oh thats ok wasnt thinking of sleeping anyway
TheLugiProductions 3 months ago
If anyone was outside on that warm summer August evening you could not miss the event. It was seen by many people from many states all the way up and down the east coast. I don't know how far inward it could be viewed but it was awsome.
Sometime back in the 80's it once again surfaced in the News and had a name attached to the event as someone in the family mentioned it to me. I have tried to find info on it but seems impossible.
Many test rockets were launched off this island off Virgina.
MJKkeso 4 months ago
Looks sim to what a few of us saw early 60's in NJ looking south.
Made the news. Expert rockets launched on an island off virginia one evening in August sometime between 8 & 9pm.
Very much like this event except the spirals were very colorful.
They launched 3 of them, very close together and so we were able to see three of them all at once.
Lasted I would say about 5min or so and then faded.
Tried in vein over the years to find info on it but no luck as it was top secret.
MJKkeso 4 months ago
Kamehaameeeee HAA!!!
cubanboy740 5 months ago
My friend told me he once saw something like this and then vanished like a portal. but it was for only like 5 seconds
cubanboy740 5 months ago
DONT WORRY GUYS ITS JUST GOKU DOING A KAMEHAMEHA
princeofallchickens 6 months ago
allways in the sun direction why is that??
matupiro2010 6 months ago
@matupiro2010 Because if it was in a different direction, the particles would not be lit up by the sun, and you wouldnt be able to see it.
ferrett78 6 months ago
at the end of this spin there will be nothing?
Astarkat 7 months ago
if you look good, in the middle its dark, that is the brown dwarf, there is going energy to the sun, so that spiral is not in our atmosphere, but in space.
kruimels 7 months ago
"Do you actually think about these things before replying at all?' lol... do YOU actually think before coming up with a bunch of IFs to explain your crazy theory that this was the Russian missile? "which could easily be put down to faulty sensor or sensors on the rocket" LMFAO...
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf Certainly more explanation than your "but theres a science station somewhat like the HAARP facility in that general direction"... That's fine if you ignore the capability of those research stations and assume they can do something which they are not capable of doing LOL.
My point was that if you have radar data saying the missile is going the right way, and screwy data from a sensor onboard the missile which do you believe? Why destroy a missile that appears to be going the right way?
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 man this is getting boring, just because your theory makes more sense in you personal opinion, does not make it a fact or any more "real" than any other theory. You continuing to try an come up for reason why your theory could be true is just as "out there" as my theory that is was the facility that is located there causing the spiral. They main difference between my theory and yours is, that yours was officially refuted by official sources, and that is a fact.
siamsurf 7 months ago
@siamsurf "They main difference between my theory and yours is, that yours was officially refuted by official sources, and that is a fact."
No - it wasnt. As Ive already pointed out. The first Russian source denied any knowledge of a missile launch, but after being questioned by the media who knew a launch was scheduled, the Russians admitted to a launch.
Official sources havent refuted that it was the dance of the sugar-plum fairies either - does that give that theory more credit too?
ferrett78 7 months ago
@siamsurf But hey - you can choose to ignore the known fact that there was a rocket launched in a location and direction (and is actually capable of creating a spiral like the one seen) that would leave a trail exactly where the spiral was at exactly that time... and choose to put forward the theory that some unknown physical process formed the spiral from a research station that happens to be in that direction, with no additional evidence...
You're right - this IS getting boring.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 you do realize that by claiming the spiral was a failed missile test you are literally touting out a conspiracy theory? Officially to this date no-one knows what caused that spiral, and you are literally "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence".
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf "and you are literally "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence"."
As I pointed out, the rocket explanation is the only one that actually HAS supporting evidence. The Russians admit testing a missile at that time. The behaviours of the spiral is that of a missile. There was advance warnings of a missile test.
Its not a conspiracy theory because I introduce no conspiracy to explain it. That would be kind of a key element in a "conspiracy theory", no?
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 do you really not get it? By saying that there is "supporting evidence" you are saying that there is evidence supporting your conspiracy theory, the theory that "the spiral in the lights was the Russian missile", which not only the Russians deny but also has no support from any other government. So you are actually putting yourself in the draw of those "government conspiracy theorists"... it's funny, that you refute any supporting HAARP evidence, while believing a theory to be reality
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf "o you really not get it? By saying that there is "supporting evidence" you are saying that there is evidence supporting your conspiracy theory"
*sigh* You still dont get the point that to be a conspiracy theory there needs to be a CONSPIRACY... Since mine doesnt, it's just a theory. The only theory that HAS supporting evidence, mind you. The ONLY thing the HAARP idea has even approaching supporting evidence is "EISCAT is in that direction".
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 "*Sigh* You still dont get the point that to be a conspiracy theory there needs to be a CONSPIRACY... Since mine doesnt, it's just a theory. " To even suggest that this was the Russian missile, you are also suggesting that there was and is a conspiracy, namely the Russian government's lie about having not caused whatever we are seeing in the video and also they would have broken the law by firing the thing so close to the coast of Norway, while claiming it was fired 1100km away.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf "the Russian government's lie about having not caused whatever we are seeing"
They didnt lie - they said they didnt know if there was a connection - which is entirely possible. They knew they fired a missile, but if they didnt see the spiral from where they were, then they have no proof of a connection. That's not a conspiracy - just politics.
"they would have broken the law by firing the thing so close to the coast of Norway"
Do you not understand that it wasnt OVER Norway?
ferrett78 8 months ago
ok, enough about the theories, how about a simple fact:
1. The Russians never said the spiral in Norway were from their missile
2. The Russians did say they didn't know what the lights in Norway were
The only connection between the spiral and the missile is the one that was drawn by the mainstream media. Officially, this was NOT a missile, that is a fact. If you don't believe me, try to find a single gov't official saying they know it was the Russian missile.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf Actually, after the sighting the Russians denied it was a missile launch, but after pressure from international media they admitted to launching a missile which failed at that time. The connection between the spiral and the missile are numerous and fit the laws of physics, while the connection to EISCAT are limited to "its in that direction!" and dont actually fit the laws of physics. The only laws they DO fit are those of "constructing-a-conspiracy-with-no-evidence".
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 Actually, you are wrong.
The Russian gave a no fly warning for the area where they tested their missile.
The Russians only said that the lights in the sky (spiral) was not their Missile, and they still say that.
Again, this was not the Russian missile according to Gov't officials from any country you ask, the only connection between the Russian failed missile and the spiral was drawn on TV and the rest of the mainstream media.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf Nope. They did issue notice to surrounding countries that they would be launching a test, and they did issue navigation warnings to keep clear for several days (both before and after the actual test), but they initially denied they had launched the test missile. Three days after the spiral was spotted, they admitted they had launched the missile but that they were unaware of a connection to the spiral. They were the only two statements Ive seen made and I wouldnt expect any more.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 ok, so back to square one. What was it?
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf Bulava-class SLBM. Just because they are unaware of a connection to the spiral doesnt mean there isnt one. I suspect the Russians want as little to do with this as possible, given the quite poor test record of the Bulava.
However, it's in the right place, at the right time, exhibiting behaviour which is unusual, but consistent with a rocket third-stage problem. Its the ONLY explanation that doesnt rely on breaking the laws of physics and/or introducing major conspiracies.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 it was not at the right place. Here is a "law of physics" for you. If the blue spiral in the center that points all the way to the ground would have bee a smoke trail, then at the bottom it would have been 700miles or over 1,200km far away. Also, it would mean that the rocket was spiraling all the way from the start, which makes a fail at the 3rd stage highly unlikely, as an out of control missile is immediately detonated... anyways, keep believing your theory, I do in mine
siamsurf 8 months ago
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@siamsurf "If the blue spiral in the center that points all the way to the ground would have bee a smoke trail, then at the bottom it would have been 700miles or over 1,200km far away."
You do understand the concept of "over the horizon", dont you? It's not pointing to the ground - it runs over the horizon.
"Also, it would mean that the rocket was spiraling all the way from the start"
Nope - just from a point behind the mountains - over the horizon.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@siamsurf " fail at the 3rd stage highly unlikely, as an out of control missile is immediately detonated."
Well they would be relying on telemetry data actually. So if the missile is travelling in generally the right direction - which it was - they would first wonder why some data was unusual. Then as they worked out that the rocket was not behaving as planned, THEN they detonate.
"Here is a "law of physics" for you."
Strange - you didnt make a point involving physics.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 "Well they would be relying on telemetry data " are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of night vision? The missile was fired from a military submarine, not from some guy in the backyard. "Strange - you didnt make a point involving physics." lol... yes I was, it just takes the ability to identify a math problem in a sentence. I give you a clue, angle of center spiral pointing towards the ground vs distance at take-off.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf "Have you ever heard of night vision? The missile was fired from a military submarine"
So they launched the missile, quickly surfaced so they could get out the binoculars eh? No. They use telemetry like any proper rocket launch. Watch a shuttle launch. They dont get altitude, distance downrange, engine performance, etc by looking you know - its from telemetry.
"angle of center spiral pointing towards the ground"
Again, its not towards the ground, it's over the horizon.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 If you seriously think that their "telemetry" would not tell them that their missile is spiraling all they way "over the horizon", then I'm just angry that I wasted my time discussing this with you...
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf If the missile is headed in roughly the right direction at close to the right velocity, then the only screwy data would be regarding the rockets attitude/spin, which could easily be put down to faulty sensor or sensors on the rocket. The data from radar etc would tell them that the rocket is headed generally the right way, which would make them reluctant to immediately destroy it...
Do you actually think about these things before replying at all?
ferrett78 8 months ago
@siamsurf And again - since the EISCAT facility is incapable of causing the spiral using any known physics, it's not surprising that no official source mentions it one way or the other. Should official sources make statements regarding every possible cause? The Easter bunny perhaps? how about Batman?
The fact that official sources ADMIT to launching a rocket at that exact time is evidence FOR the theory - not against it.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Not true. The fact that they denied any actual involvement in the spiral initially is all the more reason to be suspicious.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Ahh of course. So we should believe that it was something physically incapable of generating the spiral which hasnt been admitted to at all instead. Seriously? What kind of logic is "blame it on something that wasnt admitted to, by a method we cant explain, because its more likely than something that WAS admitted and which behaves exactly as expected by the laws of physics"?
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Because for one thing, the lighting and size of the spiral are not consistent with that of an ICBM.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Are you really going to ask the SAME questions on a different video? Im happy to point out how you are wrong here too... The lighting is due to the material ejected from the SLBM being backlit by the Sun. It's around 160km in altitude, and you can see the horizon beginning to lighten near dawn in several photos. Thus, the ejecta is being lit by the Sun while it is still over the horizon to people on the ground.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@SylphViper
Since the object is in space, there is nothing to stop the fuel/ice particles from moving outwards with the same speed and direction that they were ejected with (Newton's first law...)... The only thing restricting the size would be the density of particles - as they become less dense, they reflect less light, until it's no longer visible to the eye.
So how exactly did you come to the knowledge of how large a spiral of ejected material from an SLBM 'should' be?
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Again, the missile is spinning in a spiral, but the missile must be STAYING ON THE SAME COURSE and NOT changing it's angle. Because if it did, the lighting would have changed dramatically. But fact is, the light isn't hitting the "exhaust" like a normal light reflection would. And not only that, but there is a CONE OF BLUE LIGHT TRAILING TO THE SPIRAL. The missile theory CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR THAT. It's NOT a missile.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Why would the lighting change? The light source has nothing to do with the angle the missile is travelling at, since I already said the lighting source is the Sun. The particulate matter is merely reflecting that light. Ive already covered the blue trail too - that happens occasionally from missile exhaust at high altitude. See the WISE launch for an example. (watch?v=YbsIn5OtEMM about 1 minute in)
Oops, I guess a missile CAN account for that.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Uh, YES, the light source has everything to do with it, because a REFLECTION CAN ONLY BE SEEN IF THE ANGLE IS CORRECT. The light source is obviously remaining stationary, but the object which is supposedly REFLECTING the light is MOVING. Go shine a laser in the mirror and figure it out. As for the video you showed me, I'm going to point out some extremely huge flaws in your logic.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Im waiting for the extremely huge errors you were going to point out... When you watch the water droplets from a sprinkler reflect sunlight, does it matter which way the droplets are heading? No. The only thing that matters is the angle between the Sun, the droplets, and your eye. For something as small as the spiral, there is essentially no difference in that angle from one side to the other - therefore it reflects evenly.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 That is, it SHOULD have reflected evenly. However, it didn't. And as for the huge error, I pointed it out already...The rocket flare comment...? Perhaps you missed that one...My bad
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper And as I pointed out, it makes perfect sense if the rocket is further away than in the WISE launch example. You know - like several hundred kilometers as we already worked out several comments ago. And I dont know what you're looking at, but it DOES reflect evenly. Any difference in brightness is easily accounted for by density variations in the particles. ie: it gets dimmer towards the edges, and between the spiral 'arms'.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 If it IS farther than the WISE launch, then it has more power than 8 ICBM rockets combined. You do realize that the speed of the spiral arm is incredible? It's just too fast, especially when you consider the fact that it's an ICBM, not alien tech magnetic thrust engines. As for the exhaust particles, it still makes no sense. The cloud would not be perfectly symetrical, and it would have bumps and flaws.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Actually you are wrong again, on both counts. First, by that stage of flight, a SLBM would be travelling somewhere in the range of 3-5km/sec. No need for any alien technology - that's typical sub-orbital velocity for any ICBM/SLBM.
And the symmetry of the cloud I already explained. A rotating object in space SHOULD have a constant angular velocity unless acted on by an outside force. That's basic physics.
for example - watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 OMG. THANK YOU, lol...I was trying to figure this out from your perspective and failing, because I had NO idea what simulation you were basing your theory on...That video explained it all, lol. Now I'm gonna have to analyze everything from a different angle....Quite literally. -sigh-
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Seriously? You can seriously see the physics Ive been talking about all along?
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Yes, I can see the..."Physics," lol. But something still doesn't seem right...Something is missing from the equation, and I can't quite place a finger on it at the moment. I'm still studying up on the footage, time relation data, and all that crap, so I can make a conclusion. I'll let you know when I find any contradictions or important data.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper OK cool - send them to me in a PM if you like, so the comments arent filled with our discussion more than they already are!
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 That is a very good idea, rofl...I forgot to consider that fact that we might be spamming the crap outta this video's comment section ^_^'''''''
SylphViper 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Okay, in the video you showed me, you could SEE the flare from the rocket(the orange/yellow blinking light). Comparing the sizes of the "exhaust" plumes from THIS video and the one you showed me, the Blue UFO cone is LARGER. But in the video, YOU CANNOT SEE THE ROCKET FLARE. This is a HUGE contradiction. It's not a missile, you're grasping at air.
SylphViper 7 months ago
@SylphViper Ever think that perhaps, in the Norway example, the rocket was farther away? And therefore the actual 'flare' was smaller and therefore not visible on the video, while the blue exhaust was still visible because it's larger than the flare?
As for the lighting, the angle doesnt matter? The ejecta is particles of either liquid, or ice. The light shines through it, so the angle at which the particles are ejected is irrelevant.
ferrett78 7 months ago
@ferrett78 Have you even thought about the coincidences that surround this event? Coincidently the Russians had a ICBM fail in its 3rd stage, which coincidentally created a spiral pointing back to the ground and exactly to the US military base that houses a HAARP installation, which coincidently is a missile defense system (look up the official documents), and coincidently this happens in the morning that Obama accepts his Peace Nobel Price in Norway for doing what?
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf So a bunch of coincidences between half-truths and random events proves a conspiracy? And here I was thinking you'd need evidence.
Alternately, you could ask is it coincidence that a missile with a history of failure was seen from Norway at the time it was supposed to be launched in the direction of the launch site exhibiting behaviour unusual but not unheard of in a missile failure.
See - not one 'coincidence' needed!
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 maybe you should research how many US "scientists" work at EISCAT. or just enter "EISCAT conducted studies site:.mil"... you said you know that ISS is 250km up, so I think we can both agree that the missile would never have gone all the way up to 250km when it failed, right? The missile was launched 700km away, and failed on it's last leg into space... this was not the Russian missile, however, it can be explained by what the spiral is literally pointing at.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf Actually at third stage separation, you'd be looking at around 160km altitude, and if it traveled the typical SLBM test route, it might be directly above a point around 500km away - which would put it at a point in the sky - gee, exactly where the spiral was seen.
As for your implication that any scientists who earned their degrees in the US must be working for the American government, and therefore the facility must be US military, I can only shake my head.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 The Russian ICBM was launched 700 miles from there... they said that it failed in its 3rd stage.. C care to venture a guess what the 3rd stage of AN ICBM IS? Yes, you guessed it.. It's the stage that boosts the payload into SPACE!
SOOOOOOO.... does this Norway spiral = IN SPACE or even NEAR SPACE?
I think not!
siamsurf 8 months ago
The Russians have officially announced that this could not have been their rocket.. Also, the blue beam in the center points to or originates from the 2nd HAARP installation of the US that is located up there. Evidence suggest this was a PsyOps to see if the majority will by the missile story for such a never before (and probable never after) seen thing.
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf The Russians announced this wasnt their missile, even though they admit to firing one at that time, and broadcast on maritime channels to keep the White Sea test launch area clear?
Im sure you have some kind of evidence to back up that claim.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 sure, the proff is called comin sense. IF this would have been a rocket, then you must agree that that funny liiking inner bright blue spiral is also from the Rocket, which would mean the RUssians have a submarine in the mountains of Norway, as the ocean is much further out. The US has a Haarp there. Also, if you really care to find out the truth, research the actual location in the white sea, from where they shot their missile... it was far away, the white sea is huge..
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf The blue spiral is unusual, but similar has been seen before during rocket launches (see WISE observatory launch available here on YouTube). It's do do with reactions in the upper atmosphere I believe.
I already know where the White Sea is - it's in exactly the direction the spiral trail points past the horizon, in fact.
HAARP and EISCAT are not capable of generating such an effect, while it IS possible using rockets as an explanation.
ferrett78 8 months ago
@siamsurf To give you some sense of perspective, I watched the ISS and shuttle pass over the other night, yet they are around 250 in altitude and passed directly over a location a few hundred kilometers away. Yet you are suggesting similar is not possible with other rockets? Especially ones venting gas into bright sunlight? Seems to me it should be easier to see something like that than the shuttle...
ferrett78 8 months ago
@ferrett78 dude, this was an intercontinental missile, and you can see the spiral all the way behind the montain, IF this were from a rocket, then it would mean it malfunctioned from the point where you start to see the spiral... anyways, if you want to ignore the fact, that the US has a military base exactly where the blue spiral "originaltes" from, the fine... don't worry, be happy...
siamsurf 8 months ago
@siamsurf The first part of your reply is correct - you only see the spiral after it malfunctioned - around separation of the third stage.
The EISCAT facility operates an ionospheric heater similar to the US HAARP facility, but is not affiliated with the US government. It's funded and operated by research institutes and research councils of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Japan, China, the United Kingdom and Germany.
But why let details ruin a good story, eh?
ferrett78 8 months ago
HAARP..
envy13131 8 months ago
why the fuck wont all of you just accept the fact that there might actually be UFO's? these people take this footage to explain that they are real so just have some respect and stop doubting them ?
MissChristineCash 9 months ago
might have been a meteor fireball or an unseen variation of aurora borealia, the northern lights
MultiFlipman 9 months ago
God bless Sony Vegas, because through it my shit life can have purpose.
timpovikings 9 months ago
DAMN KIDS
YesIm10 10 months ago
Tractor beam?
FuzzyLump10 1 year ago
Why does everyone presume it's the Russians? lol
rom2014 1 year ago
WTF was that XD
Bishitsu 1 year ago
Is this part of the Project Blue Beam..?
LordFeeblelongdick 1 year ago
its for the millitary
CrAzY6666NiCk 1 year ago
Kakashi: DAMN IT NARUTO KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE DAMN RASENGAN!!!
mastersword508 1 year ago
almost scaring
VivianCaMedina 1 year ago
It is a death ray shot off by the martians.
primoknoxville 1 year ago
portal
wesvanloenen 1 year ago
this thing as i found out was seen in other parts of the world as well in china, russia, and thiland, likey it was huge ass asterroid. the ring seen at the end of the spiral was a shock wave caused by it brushing the atmosphere
wildmustang7100 1 year ago
these are time machine tests. if we have developed time machines in the future then right now is the closest time to do it because its not that far back they will still get to see thee families. lol
spontaneousmc 1 year ago
Same phenomena has been observated in Canada and in Australia. Google it, and you will find also youtubes on them.
zorbalady 1 year ago
I think it is god or something trying to tell us our future?
The spining spiral is our galaxy and the black fadeaway in the middle is a black hole and we get swollowed up?(just like our galaxy has a blackhole)
This may be a sign for The Large Hadron Collider and how dangerous it could be?
adzii1 1 year ago
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THIS WAS HAARP. ALL HAARP LOCATIONS ON EARTH WERE STRATEGIC MILITARY DESIGN. HAARP SPIRAL IS A "FORCEFIELD". THIS IS THE BIG SHIELD (MISSILE DEFENCE) PROJECT. DEMONSTRATED IN NORWAY FOR OBAMA'S PEACE PRIZE ACCEPTENCE. OUR PLACEMENTS OF THESE FACILITIES CREATES A PERFECT GLOBAL SHIELD FROM ALL ANGLES OF CHINA AND RUSSIA. THESE FIELDS "EAT" BALLISTIC MISSILES. BE WARNED: THIS TESLA TECHNOLOGY CAN ALSO CREATE DIRECTIONAL EMP, WEATHER ALTERATION, EARTHQUAKES, & MORE.
youreundermyskin 1 year ago
ummmmmmmmmmm.....first of all the Russians wouldn't ADMIT anything to anyone! so the fact that the Russian government responded that quick on such a strange topic is quite strange if u ask me. And lost time i checked missles dont leave a spiral trail behind them and then dissapear into thin air! I have no doubt in my mind that the CIA is threatening Russia
rossapher24 1 year ago
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holographic images of new word order, human technology, search in google proyect blue beam of NASA
jorgem6201 1 year ago
it is an inter dimentional tunnel to ready the earth for the comming cosmic alingnment or prevent it we shall see
laugan 1 year ago
russia is showing its not afraid to show off its new tech shit
MirageScience 1 year ago
a penis
NeronAurelio 1 year ago
Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior. Geophysicist Gordon J.F. MacDonald, a specialist in problems of warfare, says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth in this way one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions
condil1 1 year ago
It's some asshole fucking around with new laser technology.
HemiHead66 1 year ago
its planet x / nibiru ex a blackhole thats coming in 2012
gobagobax2 1 year ago
There are several possibilities:
1) It's fake (Adobe Photoshop, CGG, etc.)
2) It's natural (solar particles hitting the magnetosphere, freak weather event, etc.)
3) It's man-made (projection, hologram, electromagnetic pulse, ICBM, etc.)
4) It's non-human technology, about which **snorts cheeto dust** I wouldn't care to speculate. ):^)
Armando2012102 1 year ago
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Kaaaaaa- maaaaaaaaa- haaaaaaaaaaaaa- maaaaaaaa- HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I win the solar system and the radio
TempusTransit 2 years ago
Yeah I have one of those so I know EXACTLY what it is. Honestly, don't even try and tell me what it is because nobody knows for sure what it is. I'd wait for a verifiable, convincing explanation. Until then don't even.
surfmcgoogler 2 years ago
This is the USAF operated weapon HAARP.......The gornment feed lies and the people eat like Mcdonalds....At least the baby boom generation does......Not the young gunzs.....
Sarmion 2 years ago
@Sarmion
it could be HAARP ive seen the patterns of light the have made.
Arran420 1 year ago
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ITS ALIENS!!!!! ITS A WERMHOLE! ITS ALIENS COMING OUT OF A WERMHOLE!!!!
Or mybe its the New World Orgy trying to fuck with our minds with there Blue Beams of Death. ALL you NWO conspiracy nuts are obviously paranoid schizophrenics who need to take your medication.
umahuma4 2 years ago
miauu ist nice, wenn de singel bist FrauenMeister . com dort wird dir geholfen
hunamorasar 2 years ago
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FARK88 2 years ago
for the first few seconds does anyone else notice the rays of light coming off it and going towards the right of the screen, or the opposite perhaps? projected?
austin123cav 2 years ago
Mindless comments! if only we knew!!!
guruartist 2 years ago
search for project bluebeam , this is all about
hakerboy1992 2 years ago
what is this
Yamakashi1 2 years ago
no one on youtube really knows for sure ... im assuming only the government or who ever did it truly knows that answer
steveo9001 2 years ago
QueueBionique 2 years ago
You can try to convince people that it was a rocket all day, but people that are smart enough to trust their instincts will not be fooled.
TheStarJuggler 2 years ago
@TheStarJuggler You obviously did not spend enough time in school to go like a sheep thinking it is anything else than a rocket.
Got anything to back up any alternate theories? Not a single one of you tin foil hat wearers has been able to bring anything.
QueueBionique 2 years ago
@QueueBionique How can something fail, so perfectly, then? HMMM?
VancouverCanucksRock 1 year ago
@VancouverCanucksRock It's not perfect, in fact it is slowly moving to the north, if you compare pictures in the movie relative to ground objects, it was slightly moving off...and of course it was following exactly the trajectory of that missile, as well as the timing window Russian Marine posted beforehand, and the launch location... How many more coincidence do you need before you accept the facts?
QueueBionique 1 year ago
There is no way this was done my any plain old rocket. The amount of time the traces of it stayed visible is too much. Also even if the rocked started spiraling there is no way that it would stop at a single location just to form a perfect spiral mapped on a single plain.
If you ask me, this is some russian experimental weapon and they decided to cover it by saying it's a rocket.
Bulgaria10 2 years ago
Lets ask a rocket scientist his/hers opinion on how much force would be applied to a rocket in that situation. I know there are many factors, speed of rocket, mass, distance traveled, but Im sure someone can give an estimate. Any takers??
dman7577 2 years ago
@dman7577 rockets dont fly in a spiral...
ThatGuy1116 2 years ago 2
Mybe because it FAILED
umahuma4 2 years ago
Looks like someone shining a light on some clouds to me, spooky...
MRaverz 2 years ago
I was told that this happened December 9 the day before Obama was set to Recieve his Nobel Peace Prize, The Aliens knew of this and wanted to Convey a Message to all people that they exist and that everyone should be aware of them.
TheMexxican 2 years ago
0:58 clearly demonstrates that this was a giant representation of the Death Star. But, this time, it was firing on us. COINCIDENCE?????
CharlieSangster 2 years ago 7
You, sir, are too good!
AliceMarx 2 years ago
@CharlieSangster DAMNIT REBELES!! DONT THEY KNOW TO STAY IN THEIR OWN GALAXY!!!?!??! KEEP YOUR FUCKING WAR OUT OF THE MILKYWAY!!!
133spartan117 9 months ago
haha, its from HAARP ! Definitely! dont know why, but could be many things! could be they shot a missle down with it! I doubt it, but possible! could be them messing with the weather! could be just a hologram to freak everyone out! But it came from HAARP! not the sun, or whats behind it, or the Heavens! more n more I thing about it, it seems it was a hologram, just to get us to look at that n wonder wtf, while they do sum more radical shiz!
gmoneygotyou 2 years ago 2
it actually makes the LEAST sense its a hollogram
Yamakashi1 2 years ago
Look up project bluebeam. Some crazy ass military project the U.S. government has decided to put itself through with OUR fuckin money!
pSychOAtDawn 2 years ago 2
@pSychOAtDawn "Look up project bluebeam. Some crazy ass military project the U.S. government" This will never work, but the backup plan is worse.
Look at the higher level London 'project' to position the Chinese and Russians against America via our Israeli 'allies' &The Fed. China via finance/Korea and Russia via Georgia/Iran.
Note also how they built nuke shelters for their people and we only our leaders. Another pertinent item is that nukes were found in the NY Israeli embassy.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
... I thought I'd look up Dr Staninger's medical qualifications to get some idea of what other research papers she has published etc, so that I'd at least have an idea how qualified she is to make those statements and I found page after page of 'chemtrail' and 'morgellons' websites, but not a single .edu site, peer-reviewed research paper or reputable resource regarding her qualifications. In short, she showed no evidence and appears to have no qualifications to make such claims!
ferrett78 1 year ago
Not a missile, check out beyosoco to see what is hiding behind the sun and then check out chromelung66 to see how the spiral came from behind the sun and how it relates to ancient times and how they covered it up.....
beyosoco 2 years ago
In the last days there will be many signs in the Heavens. Find out who was visiting Norway that night... To see a real failed missile search for "siberian spiral".
Why would Russia be firing missiles at Norway? Especially at the Peace Prize Convention?
th3w4tchm3n 2 years ago
my question is that if it is a misile than why didnt it break up straight away i mean that thing would have been movin to get to that high so it must be going lets say 2000kph maybe more then a sudden turn surely it would have torn apart with the sudden g force change??? just a thought
EVLAUDI 2 years ago
kwl!
Chamathi7 2 years ago
@EVLAUDI Ummm... just how many missiles did the Russians shoot off?
These suckers are all around the world!
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza 2 - one was seen in Norway, and one in Russia. The one in China was a Chinese rocket misfire at launch, and the one seen over Australia was a US rocket - the SpaceX Falcon9
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 All of a sudden we have these circular missile misfires around the world?
The others were circular like the Norway 'misfire' and 'coincidentally' like those drawings in New Mexico rock art; and other places as well.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza Yeah the rock drawings are coincidence, but if you look at what happened, the Norway spiral was definitely the first one to get widespread attention. There were a lot of people saying "it cant be a rocket - it's never happened before"... So people started looking around and within a short period of time you had 2 more sightings (Russia and Australia) and one on the internet from 1988 (China). People merely saw more because they are looking for it! Im certain theyve happened before this
ferrett78 1 year ago
@UnoRaza Its kind of like when you decide you want to buy a red car (or whatever) and then all of a sudden it seems that every second car on the road is red. It's simply because you are primed to notice it.
This is exactly the same with all the people that claim "chemtrails" are real because they never saw them before 1996. Persistent contrails were ALWAYS there - just no one paid any attention! You can even find them in WW2 photos!
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 You're right on the second example; that's a non-proof Chemtrails exist, but like Morgellons, (sp?), the lab reports are hard proof.
The speculation is "WHY" they'd put aluminum and barium into the atmosphere.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza I havent really looked into that much, but I wasnt really impressed with the level of evidence being presented as 'proof' that the disease even exists. Of course I haven't seen any lab reports. From the few articles I read, I was getting a distinct feeling that it was psychological issue, not so much a physical one.
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 "wasnt really impressed with the level of evidence being presented as 'proof' that the disease even exists."
You're right it's not a disease per-say, but LIVE, self-replicating, nano-tech; see carnicom and Dr. Hildegarde Staninger's analysis.
watch?v=JchfWlqbVxw
It WILL blow your mind as she's thoroughly analyzed the samples.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza I did watch that video, but here's the thing - I'm a very evidence-oriented person. If you watch that video and ask "where's the evidence?" you'll see they actually provide NONE. Not a single bit. It's someone claiming all these qualifications talking about what they allegedly saw. All they actually show is a picture of someone in a lab coat holding a microscope. (cont)
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 The labs did all the work, she's just pointing out the biological issues therein; any second year biology student would know these things.
Does it even require a bs to logically look at the issues the labs and the docs raise?
[Carnicom too has great credibility.] Who relies 100% on a single talking head or source?
Why would an infected person have tissue that matches another sample from a chemtrail dusting?
Why would "blood cells" be found in rain after chemtrails?
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza That's my point - she has basically NO credibility. As far as I can tell, not a single one of her claims about her history is true, so why trust anything she says? Especially when she has everything to gain because she is selling cures to people with these conditions for large sums of money... It's in her interest to SEEM knowledgeable, because it supports her ability to earn money.
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 What about the Carnicom nano photos with a math symbol on 'human tissue'? (Not to mention all the other strange photos this man has been able to take.)
If I can hear them speak I can usually peg a shill and unless the guy at carnicom is damn good, he's telling the truth.
Naturally, I wish what we see on TV was true, but usually it's crap and we've not become more 'civilized', as some like to speculate; at least our owners have not and they're still calling the wars.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza if you provide a link (PM will be fine) I can take a look - but if evidence like this is coming from one person alone, that's reason enough to be doubtful. One of the hallmarks of good science is the ability to replicate results - if a scientist does an experiment and says "here's my results but no one else will be able to see the same result as me", they are not taken very seriously :-)
By all means be doubtful of TV - but be equally doubtful of the people that say to doubt TV! :-)
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 "By all means be doubtful of TV - but be equally doubtful of the people that say to doubt TV! :-)" Lol!
I used to think one had to be more careful of the Internet, but now I'm not so sure after seeing the CNN faked Iraq missile attacks that got released. (Probably by a Muslim.)
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza Yeah Im just saying a healthy dose of skepticism is always a good idea. Many people seem to think 'skepticism' means to only doubt what the government or media say, but then forget to apply that same level of doubt to 'free press' etc too!
Generally speaking, I like to look at the evidence, and keep my eyes open for when ppl try to draw conclusions that dont follow from the evidence. eg: "A UFO... It MUST be aliens!" ummm U=unidentified - you need evidence to make any further claims :-)
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 " "A UFO... It MUST be aliens!" ummm U=unidentified - you need evidence to make any further claims :-)" Agreed.
In those days I thought NASA was a separate and independent agency from the military and it never occurred to me they'd fake UFOs, as in STS-75.
Then, just to show how stupid the sheeple are, claim symmetrical objects, with distinct IR heat and cold signatures, oscillating what looks like energy, are 'ice and other debris that follow us around.'
I bit for over a year!
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza Most footage of that nature can be put down to Newton's First Law though - you could drop a scrap of paper out in the cargo bay and it would track the shuttle in that same position until the shuttle actively changed location... You can usually tell space junk etc that's associated with the shuttle because it appears to maintain position, and quite often 'flashes' bright/dark as it spins and reflects light. Anything that randomly changes direction would be worth looking at though
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 The problem with 'peer review', and this has always been the case on political, or large scoped issues like cell phones, only very foolish or naive scientists go against the money in the US.
Also, knew two researchers and let's just say "it aint what it used to be"; the pharma "people" that get their data 'lose' what are called 'AEs'. (Berkeley & Stanford)
AEs are Adverse Events or problems with the medication on trial; this explains all the dead Americans.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza Yeah but the moment you start using "money" as a motivation, you have to look at exactly who has the money. For example, the cigarette companies employed scientists to say "smoking is healthy" when the government was trying to promote the opposite. I believe oil/mining (some of the richest companies there are!) are doing something similar with regard to AGW. They only have to pay a few ppl to spread doubt, and the conspiracy theories take over!
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 "They only have to pay a few ppl to spread doubt, and the conspiracy theories take over!"
Yes, but If they would only stop selling it as "news" to the American masses it would not be so bad; it's really embarrassing to those that travel as the rest of the world, as Paul Harvey would say, has, "The Rest of the Story".
UnoRaza 1 year ago 2
@UnoRaza Again, Im not in the US, but as far as news coverage goes I think it's pretty similar over here. I actually don't watch the commercial channels too often as Ive found they arent exactly 'objective'... If I wan't news, I generally turn to (government funded) ABC which has more of a world focus, and generally seems to be less sensationalist (since they arent really after ratings as much as the other channels)
ferrett78 1 year ago
@ferrett78 If you google carnicom and aerosol crimes it should come up; labs in at least two different countries have confirmed the same contents of barium and aluminum.
The nanites these suckers seem to have made require more resolution than all but a very few have.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@UnoRaza - If it was nano-tech the only way to analyse them would be to use an electron microscope. Has this been done? Because if we're talking about regular microscopes that just doesn't cut it.
frostek 1 year ago
@ferrett78 - Exactly. All it would take to prove morgellons existed is for one person to undergo real medical testing under laboratory conditions and it would stand out instantly.
For example I've read one account of a doctor who with the patient's permission, used a thick gum (or equivalent) to cover the wound rather than a bandage. Once the patient no longer had access to the wound, it healed normally. These wounds are self-inflicted.
frostek 1 year ago
@frostek Yeah I was getting the impression it was related to hypochondriasis, though I havent really looked into it much, so Im not making any judgements just yet. You are right of course - the fact that there is very little medical evidence is highly suspicious. Also the fact that sufferers all seem to associate it with "chemtrails" is interesting - and the fact that the foremost expert seems to have NO legitimate qualifications (*cough* snake oil!) doesnt bode well either!
ferrett78 1 year ago
It's a messed up missile or a out-of-control UFO that suddenly decided to attempt suicide...
clonekid56 2 years ago
Hmm...it looks like a dimension or something...it could be something that came to earth and suddenly disappear...
G0d0fHope 2 years ago
very cool..
1stSuperChannel 2 years ago
sure it mate!
Chamathi7 2 years ago
if it is a missile than ask russians shot one again
gassman56 2 years ago
yeh, lol!
Chamathi7 2 years ago
it is NOT a missile, does it look anything of what a missile can do? frikin government trying to cover stuff like this up
TheRoyBoy734 2 years ago
a missel can go out of controle
TheWorldsoffun 2 years ago
Its not a missile u ignorant fucks.. it just disapears it would of blown up if it was a misile and it doesnt create a spiral -.- god how many retards are there in this world.
TheRealBlueBoNe 2 years ago 2
..simply its a circular wave motion of love that is pulsating through the energy field with a particular frequency....actually us humans have set those frequencies as we are evolving into the spiritual beings that we already are, made from the purest love of the infinite creator.
lookgooddoingit 2 years ago
It is simply the rays of creation and love appearing right before you as they interconnect with this reality...you will start to witness more and more often ...as the energies of love intensify..the blue ray that you see is just membranes that have not just merged but have connected so beautifully that a dimensional portal has opened in the matrix
lookgooddoingit 2 years ago
No... It was a Russian missile launch gone bad...
tookietookie123 2 years ago
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Psaiii 2 years ago
its some ones extra big butthole lol
emkplayboy6 2 years ago
I don't understand people, naming a black Hole, Whatever that spiral was, I'm 100 % is not a black hole. If that's the case It would it be sucking every single item, from air, the atmosphere until suck up the earth.
Its a new Russian weapon, it was an exhibition to America, right before Obama get in Norway.
agubaia 2 years ago