Mike Tyson and Albert Einstein are and were vegan. I'd dare any of you shit talkers to challenge them. I know Albert Einstein is dead but his brilliant mind and works are still here. Also Michael Clark Duncan the big guy from the movie ' the green mile ' he's a vegan he is no way skinny and frail. Tony Robins huge man (I've met personally) total vegan. Challenge him on anything. Think people before you judge someone on what they eat
my dad worked for a lady who was vegan, never eated meat, or fish and guess what, she is liike 90 years old and she's skinny, weak, due to the lack of meat and fish in her system.
You can gert all necessary nutrients from a no-meat diet, it just takes a bit of work (I've been doing it for a while, now)
It is, I agree, a bit easier with meat, but it is also easier to over-indulge on meat, and the way it is mainly prepared has a lot of saturated fat.
(sorry if the correction bit seemed a bit snobbish, I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, *stands at attention*, I didn't mean to come off judgementally, I was just explaining it, it is a commonly seen typo.)
Protein may be more easily broken down when not meat, however the amount of veg you'd need to eat to replace the protein content of a steak would feed you for days. Same with iron.
Steak cooked as rare as possible is the most nutritious =D
@englandinacan a lot of non-meat foods contain sufficient amounts of protein. protein is quite easy to get. As for iron: iron from animal products is easier to absorb, but you can even have too much iron if you have too much iron from animal products because the rate that your body absorbs this kind of iron mostly remains the same, while the rate that plant-based iron is absorbed can easily go up or down, allowing you to get the right amount!
Yep agreed with that, being vegetarian is absolutely ok for good heath, but provided it is balanced meat eaters do not have more/less health problems than vegetarians. You should have added: Truth: vegetarians can be sick, be fat, have diabetes etc... Vegetarian is not a panacea and this is what some try to convey. ..
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
@lukethibodaux You could actually get all of your amino acids strictly on a vegetarian diet, but you cannot say the same for a strictly meat-only diet. However, meat tastes good, so I'll continue to eat it.
@lukethibodaux@lukethibodaux - What are you talking about? There are several well known vegan athletes (Ruth Heidrich has won the Iron Man several times and is senior, other examples are Mike Tyson, Robert Cheeke, Mac Danzig, Pat Reeves and many more, just google it)... As for the amino acid, I'm a scientist, and yes it's true humans need all essential amino (by the way there are 20, not 22) but if you are thinking of "protein combining", that is a complete myth that has been discredited.
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
@austinpower4ever You see this is why we hate you vegans and vegetarians. you keep trying to make us not eat meat. you had a choice why shouldn't we? besides I eat FREE RANGE beef meaning it HAD a LIFE. before i ate it and thanked god for the wonderful meal I revived.
@sgtwok That was a joke you retard, meaning you had to eat alot of raw vegetables etc, do gain enough amino-acid to survive and dont say "for one" since i dont think you can find more you could misunderstand more.
So where exactly do you see me saying either (dont eat meat) - (you should be a vegan) or anything like it?
When facing the fact that most plant food in the world is fed to livestock, many flesh eaters pull out the denial of: "Yeah, but this food is not human food. The animals are fed the waste, the by-product of human food production." Um, not! It's the other way around, Toto. What do you think margarine is? high fructose corn syrup? Corn syrup?, etc? These are waste products from animal food production, plain and simple. They found ways to market them and they're in *everything*. We eat the waste.
excelente, la naturaleza del planeta esta de fiesta, muchos huma nos empiezan a cobrar gran conciencia, yo les doy de mi parte inmensa luz y mi sonrisa, les doy las gracias por dar la oportunidad y sus SUPER-BEBES de vivir en libertad y sana forma de nutricion, ustedes son realmente ganadores de sus propias vidas, ustedes son madres y padres que merecen hacer familias mas grandes,la vida les regalara mas vida y libertad...
that last one was pretty fail, but whats the real benefit of being vegetarian, just because you eat meat doesn't mean you cannot be on a diet or healthy, and enviromental reasons that I've heard are ignorant, if you eat plants, you remove oxygen producing plants and food for animals and humans were built to eat meat and plants, we're omnivores not carnivores not herbavores, omnivores, so honestly whats the point?
Australian Aborigines have been hunting and eating animals for over 40 000 yrs with no harm to the environment, then along comes a veghead and chops the forest down killing all the animals plows up the soil throws some seed in smothers it in herbicide, pesticide etc and then goes on youtube sprouting "save the animals" 50 yrs later the land is totally destroyed forever, all life is dead , thanks vegans
Your "truths" are in no way explaining or busting the myths. For the first myth you are arguing about something entirely different and on the second myth you are just restating your point in a different way, which is just stupid.
@makjep I used to too. I examined it closely. I was spending so much time trying to figure out which meats( wild or farm raise, grass or corn fed, natural, organic, processed, unprocessed, etc.) I saw that the answer was in the problem: if it was that difficult to figure out how/why/when/where/what meat to eat, it was probably unhealthy. I noticed on the other side, EVERYONE agreed that we should eat lots of fruits/veggies/beans. So I stopped meat. THANK GOD! I'm so much better off now. Peace.
" so many other foods that replace the protein, as well as provide other nutrients."
And all these "other crops' probably can't be produced sufficiently to replace all meat. Probably not because many crops, especially those special ones, have a narrow tolerance for klimate and soil.
Listen vegetarians: predator, prey. That's the way the world works. Lions eat other animals. We eat other animals. Are you going to have a bitchy fit at carnivorous animals? No. So why at us omnivores? We are all animals, and all animals are hunters. I don't understand why you all feel so high and mighty over us, like you have superior knowledge! I'm working on becoming a zoologist, but I don't look at the animals and lick my lips!That's not how we omnivores live! Don't be prejudice. Peace out.
Proteïnes have to be broken appart before it can be to any use in the body.
Animal proteïne, pigs' proteïn in particular, are more like human proteïne, therefore have to be broken down less, and are more efficienty used in the human body. Furthermore, a healthy meat diets are a lot easier than special veggy diets
@ vegansecret
If efficient use of land is your main target. Fight Sugar Beet, and sugar consumption. Meat is usefull, considering nutricient value.
@qkwijt I just want to say right now that I'm vegan, and I want to explain why I chose to become vegan. I have nothing against eating animal by products, though I will never eat meat. I have nothing against cows milk, cheese, eggs, or honey. What I have a problem with is the way the animals that provide us with these things are mistreated, abused, enslaved, and murdered. There is no exscuse for this. I'm vegan because I can't live knowing that I am in any way causing so much suffering.
@qkwijt Try searching youtube for videos on animal cruelty. I read a story not long ago about a male calf in the dairy industry. Because he had a broken leg, and because he was male, he was considered worthless, so he was dumped on a pile of dead cows. They didn't even spare a few moments to euthanize him, they just left him to starve on a pile of corpses. Can you explain to me how this is not cruel? I know animals don't have some human emotions, like hate. Does that mean they don't understand?
Yes that is animal cruelty. Do you know why you read about it? Because it is an exceptionel story, It doesn't represent propper slaughter in a well organized legal slaughter house.
Other people can tell you a story about someone who fell out of a flying airplane and survived... a story
perhaps you should look up regular practice in a decent legal slaughterhouse.
(if possible, from a source in a western country today)
@qkwijt But if it happened once, what is keeping it from happening again? I know from experience that there are people who can be fined again and again for cruelty or neglect, yet they never change.
And what is 'proper slaughter'? How is murder proper? Don't get me wrong, I like meat, even if I don't eat it. But how can anyone even justify murder?
@qkwijt I know that I will never see a vegetarian society, but does that mean I should just do nothing? And as to needing to eat, I along with quite a few other people, are living proof that there is no need to include meat, dairy, or eggs in our diets. Why should I sacrifice another living creature so that I might live?
we can power a house with 'Green electricity" from solar pannels, windmills and biomoass. But we are a long way of sustaining society in such a manner.
Probably the same problem with vegetarian diet.
Some might argue about the quantity of food is possible, but how about the quality? Does taht food contain all neceserry nutrients?
@qkwijt There is one thing that we can't get from a vegan diet, and that is vitamin B12. Doctors reccomend that vegetarians and vegans take a supplement, as well as people over the age of 50. Not a big deal.
I don't aim to make the whole world vegan, or even vegetarian. But if humans evolved to eat meat, couldn't we evolve back?
Did you know that dandelion greens are edible? Not considered so by society in general, but its true.
And what is preventing us from being a totally green society?
Why couldn't we evolve back? We are constantly changing, so why not?
My point with the dandelions was that there is plenty of food all around, just that people don't know about it. No, they don't replace meat, but there are so many other foods that replace the protein, as well as provide other nutrients.
The technology and the resources are there to be a green society, so why aren't we?
We don't feed the entire population with meat, so who says we couldn't without?
I was hoping you would elaborate a little more so that I could understand.
I'm not talking about any special crops, just the same ones that we grow for animals anyway, like soybeans and corn. There are acres and acres of both grown all around where I live for animals. What if at least some percentage of that went to feeding people? I think that it is possible to replace meat, if people would just give it a chance.
That's the problem, you're not talking about any special crops. But those special crops are important for replacing meat.
The animals are fed with mostly waste products from soy for human consumption. Humans are omnivores, animals are herbovore. therefore human waste is animal feed. (and animals are human feed)
You're talking about quantities of food. that percentage of food for animals doesn't have sufficient quality to replace all nutrients.
@qkwijt "percentage of food for animals....sufficient quality to replace...." Perhaps, perhaps not. You're speculating. I do know that the US's largest crops are corn and wheat. Corn is EVERYWHERE in the super market, it is in EVERYTHING. So even flesh eaters are suffing it down their throats like there is no tomorrow, and these amounts of wheat (and potatoes, oats and beans) ALL over the market are just fractions of what is actually produced, most of which feeds livestock.
In europe, where I live, cattle is fed with mostly non eatable grass and not eatable (and thus not available on the human food market) residu of sugar beet, soy plants residu (for Soy Oil, and recently biodiesel).
2nd, Humans are omnivores. No human is specifically a meat eater.
You do know that right?
I'm not speculating. I tell a loony vegetarian to produce proper facts.
PS. You do also realise that not the entire grain plant is edible, and therefore does not go to the human food market (to be stuffed down the throuat by meat eaters).
Have you seen, for example crops leaves and branches on the market. I haven't to often.
The non edible parts (wich account to most of the 70%/80% mentioned before) end up in animal feed.
@qkwijt "that percentage of food for animals doesn't have sufficient quality to replace all nutrients." Let's suppose you are right. This is an easy fix, right? This is not a valid argument to delay ending the sickness of eating meat, is it? All farmers have to do is rotate crops on production schedules they already have. The entire mechanism (the planting, growing, harvesting, transport, storage, distro, which are the big problems) is already there. Small issue.
1. It wouldn't help for specific crops that grow only in very specific area's. (for example tequilla, which apparently only grows in a specific area in mexico.)
That wouldn't produce the scarce nutrients.
2. It seems you don't have the slightes idea about agriculture, and its limitations.
@qkwijt "It seems you don't have the slightes idea about agriculture" Great, you're in the know! So please, if you would, enlighten us all about agriculture. Do you know, for instance, where 80% of the US, thus 60% of the world's corn supply goes? 70% of wheat? 80% of soybeans? 80% oats? Do you know what these crops, in these amounts are used for every year? Please, bring some of your agricultural expertise to bear here. Thanks!
@qkwijt Tell the Corn Growers Association and the National Soybean Growers that their products are not healthy food. Sure they gear their crops so that it is as cheap as possible to be fed for livestock. But that does not get us around the FACT that most plant food grown in the US, the world's largest producer of Corn and Soybeans, is being fed to livestock. This food, if it was grown and handled as a human product could feed the world, instantly. Want to do something about it?
They provide a good product. But it just isn't possible to grow plants woth 500% efficiency, so that everything grown is suitable for human consumpion.
Will you teach them to grow for example corn? A 500% efficient crops that leaves only corn in the field and not the 80% undesirable parts of the plants, such as non edible roots, leaves etc?
@qkwijt Actually, the sun wind soil & rain have done a pretty fair job of it for millions of years, amigo. My recommendation is to apply what expertise you have and learn how to let nature do its miraculous job. Hell, just getting out of the way of nature would probably get you 90% there. You can formulate excuses all day, hoss. Fact is we have the corn, beans, rice, wheat, oats to feed the world now. We lose all the efficiency you touched on by torturing animals while the pre-digest protein.
@qkwijt And frankly, I don't claim expertise, but I've grown corn in my own back yard with much more success than you claim farmers are having. Are they inept at what they do? Cause even I know how to do it.
Also, you do know that they sell bushels of corn that are CORN - the grain - right? These are sold on the market. These are not stalks and roots, etc. Beans and grain sold on the market are beans and grain. Most of this feeds livestock. I am not an expert and I know that.
@qkwijt So are you sure your attempt here is less to bring expertise to bear for a solution and more to make excuses for status quo? See when we derive pleasure and that is threatened somehow, the mind twists all sorts of excuses in the form of rationalizations justifications all about "that is just the way it is." I've heard these lazy fearful lies all my life. I am not buying it. I have found my way through those lies. I'm a solutions person, not an excuse person. What else you selling, hoss?
FACT: And according to a UN FAO report, “in all, livestock production amounts to 70 percent of all agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of this planet.” The USDA says growing crops for animals takes up 80 percent of the agricultural land in the US and animals raised for food in the US consume 90 percent of the soy crop, 80 percent of the corn and 70 percent of its grain.
@vegansecrets they need food too, besides, even if all land was converted the crop productin, we could only feed 6 billion people, what about the other 775,235,700 do they just die, like all the animals because there is not enough food?
@qkwijt Actually the National Soy Growers say that 98% of the soy land is used for livestock. Check it out. Google "ninety-eight percent soybeans livestock" and see for yourself.
With soy (98% livestock) and corn (60% livestock): humans are eating the waste, friend. High fructose corn syrup, corn meal, corn oil, soybean oil, etc, all waste products of factory farming livestock. Check it, see for yourself.
Reading back through some of these comments, I find it hilarious how many people use "human rights" and "do gooder" as insults. Last time I checked, fighting for equality and doing good things for humans, animals, and the planet were good things. :)
@TheBulletRainMaker How interesting that you've met every single vegetarian on the planet, and that they're all homosexual men with low intelligence. Wow, I've been living a VERY well calculated play where I was led to believe I had a vagina. :O
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Oh and HAHA, for environmental reasons? LMAO! did you know that in order to extract soy from soy beans, they use a dangerous solvent called 'Hexane' ? And this Hexane destroys the ozone layer upon use.
Hexane is a toxic chemical and is even dangerous for the workers at soy plants to be around.
It is however, used in "natural" health foods like soy protein bars or protein powder. It is NOT used in making tofu, soymilk, or fermented soy. It's not needed. Nutjob.
your body produces bile to spray Fat that you have consumed..we have the function of bile for a reason, to break down animal fat.How the hell else are you going to eat quality saturated fats if you don't eat your goddamn animals?
Vegans/Vegetarians don't lose their hair, but they surely lose their testicles and brain.
veggies are fags. show me an athelete who doesnt eat meat. veg only is for fags, anorexics, and scientologists i weirdos. dont really know why I replied to ur comment but cant be arsed to type this again at the bottom of the page, or even copy and paste it haha
@stevemoriz Actually there are plenty of athletes that are vegan, Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion, Desmond Howard
Professional football star, Heisman trophy winner,Brendan Brazier
Professional Ironman triathlete. Also using the word fag is really showing your intelligence, and I hate Scientology, im atheist. Also Aneroxia is a mental disorder, which shouldn't be made fun of.
@xSingSingDeathHousex The examples you give are a tiny minority. When I say fag, in the British context it generally means someone who is weak, puny & intimidated by women. There seems to be a massive trend towards the people who are into all this stuff to also be into left wing politics, communism, homosexuality, strange religious practices & have a massive air of self righteousness. This diet is not natural, humans are hunter gatherers.
All vegetarians turn into lib dem voters, human rights do gooders, would rather have criminals run free than in jail. Lefty lefty, softy wishy washer big girls blouses.
Live your life to the full, dont bother with this bullshit. Morrisette looks fit - to drop, skinny as fuck one foot in the grave in that pic! give me curves any day, but no fat birds haha
wow please learn something before posing lies. all food must be digested and broken down beofre it can be used. of course animal porotein can not be used directly NONE CAN. and alanis ? yeah she is definitley veg, absolutley lost and looks horrible! pleasee srop trying to sell books and posoning people
Mike Tyson and Albert Einstein are and were vegan. I'd dare any of you shit talkers to challenge them. I know Albert Einstein is dead but his brilliant mind and works are still here. Also Michael Clark Duncan the big guy from the movie ' the green mile ' he's a vegan he is no way skinny and frail. Tony Robins huge man (I've met personally) total vegan. Challenge him on anything. Think people before you judge someone on what they eat
iceland707 1 month ago
This video is almost all lies except the part of going bald.
clergame 2 months ago
The music reminded me of Monkey Island.
CreatorOfTheUniverse 2 months ago
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Fuck off vegans
ColorfulDicks 3 months ago
my dad worked for a lady who was vegan, never eated meat, or fish and guess what, she is liike 90 years old and she's skinny, weak, due to the lack of meat and fish in her system.
jin54363 3 months ago
@jin54363
and you know, for an absolute fact, this is due to lack of meat?
I mean, most 90 year old women are small and weak... are you sure it isn't because of age?
Considering the fact that you're not close to this woman, I think you might just be assuming things.
Also, the porper past tense of "eat" is "ate", and "eated" isn't a word at all.
JilleyWillyNilly 3 months ago
@JilleyWillyNilly
sorry for bad spelling, i'm not american or british or australian ya know...
what i meant is that humans need meat and fish for their body, only vegetables and fruit is not healthy.
jin54363 3 months ago
@jin54363
You can gert all necessary nutrients from a no-meat diet, it just takes a bit of work (I've been doing it for a while, now)
It is, I agree, a bit easier with meat, but it is also easier to over-indulge on meat, and the way it is mainly prepared has a lot of saturated fat.
(sorry if the correction bit seemed a bit snobbish, I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, *stands at attention*, I didn't mean to come off judgementally, I was just explaining it, it is a commonly seen typo.)
JilleyWillyNilly 3 months ago
Protein may be more easily broken down when not meat, however the amount of veg you'd need to eat to replace the protein content of a steak would feed you for days. Same with iron.
Steak cooked as rare as possible is the most nutritious =D
englandinacan 4 months ago
@englandinacan a lot of non-meat foods contain sufficient amounts of protein. protein is quite easy to get. As for iron: iron from animal products is easier to absorb, but you can even have too much iron if you have too much iron from animal products because the rate that your body absorbs this kind of iron mostly remains the same, while the rate that plant-based iron is absorbed can easily go up or down, allowing you to get the right amount!
squarekolt 3 months ago
I like this. I am a meat eater, and will never be vegetarian or vegan, but I like this is actually facts, not opinionated crap.
XxFaelinexX 4 months ago
Yep agreed with that, being vegetarian is absolutely ok for good heath, but provided it is balanced meat eaters do not have more/less health problems than vegetarians. You should have added: Truth: vegetarians can be sick, be fat, have diabetes etc... Vegetarian is not a panacea and this is what some try to convey. ..
joimko2 4 months ago
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Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
lukethibodaux 5 months ago
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Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
lukethibodaux 5 months ago
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
lukethibodaux 5 months ago
@lukethibodaux You could actually get all of your amino acids strictly on a vegetarian diet, but you cannot say the same for a strictly meat-only diet. However, meat tastes good, so I'll continue to eat it.
DeadFishFactory 4 months ago
@lukethibodaux @lukethibodaux - What are you talking about? There are several well known vegan athletes (Ruth Heidrich has won the Iron Man several times and is senior, other examples are Mike Tyson, Robert Cheeke, Mac Danzig, Pat Reeves and many more, just google it)... As for the amino acid, I'm a scientist, and yes it's true humans need all essential amino (by the way there are 20, not 22) but if you are thinking of "protein combining", that is a complete myth that has been discredited.
iWrluia 4 months ago
Yeah you never read into that whole amino acid thing did you, in order to make human protine we need at leased the 22 basic amino acids and guess what your soy burger does not have all of them, there are several key amino acids that are found almost exclusivly in meat. Have you noticed that there are not any world class athaletes that are vegan, that is the reason why.
lukethibodaux 5 months ago
this video is worthless
SuperWestcovina 5 months ago
AND I AM DARN PROUD OF IT!
sgtwok 5 months ago
I LOVE MEAT :D
sgtwok 5 months ago
you can't just say eat lentils or peanuts for protein because what if your allergic?
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok Then you eat something else...
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever Only meat is a good source for protein!
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok N-No....?
Protein exist in alot of vegetables and in some of them there is more each 100g than meat.
Most fastfood restaurants sells you meat which have an average protein amount of 5/100g.
You could eat yourself silly in raw fruits and vegetables to gain enough amino-acid to.
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever Ha ha ha ha yeah right!
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok Emh, what are you laughing over, really dont know if it was the protein in part or the part where i made a joke with amino-acid..?
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever You see this is why we hate you vegans and vegetarians. you keep trying to make us not eat meat. you had a choice why shouldn't we? besides I eat FREE RANGE beef meaning it HAD a LIFE. before i ate it and thanked god for the wonderful meal I revived.
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok Im sorry i think you're a little confused?
when did i ever try to make you a vegan?
When have i said i was a vegan?
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever The part you said to not eat meat?
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok Seriously i think im blind or something because i cant find the comment where i said that?
Meaby thats because i never said it and you think i did for no reason?
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever for one you said I should eat veggies, saying Icould eat myself silly in them.
sgtwok 5 months ago
@sgtwok That was a joke you retard, meaning you had to eat alot of raw vegetables etc, do gain enough amino-acid to survive and dont say "for one" since i dont think you can find more you could misunderstand more.
So where exactly do you see me saying either (dont eat meat) - (you should be a vegan) or anything like it?
austinpower4ever 5 months ago
@austinpower4ever Well DON'T worry about me I eat both a Healthy diet of Fruits, Vegetables and meats . so i Am living a healthy lifestyle.
sgtwok 5 months ago
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@austinpower4ever the part you said don't eat meat?
sgtwok 5 months ago
Myth 7.- Wow, Amino acids are always in the form of protein when its eaten, This is the reason we have a digestive system,
KorlicTheGreat 5 months ago
plz give me a link to that picture with the deer outsmarting the hunter? lol
sexpen 5 months ago
I'm a bad hunter and proud of it!
:D
pokefan3333 6 months ago
When facing the fact that most plant food in the world is fed to livestock, many flesh eaters pull out the denial of: "Yeah, but this food is not human food. The animals are fed the waste, the by-product of human food production." Um, not! It's the other way around, Toto. What do you think margarine is? high fructose corn syrup? Corn syrup?, etc? These are waste products from animal food production, plain and simple. They found ways to market them and they're in *everything*. We eat the waste.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
On what do you base that the human stuff is the by product?
qkwijt 6 months ago
Where did you find these "myths"? Some of the stupidest crap...
chaosaxis 6 months ago
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excelente, la naturaleza del planeta esta de fiesta, muchos huma nos empiezan a cobrar gran conciencia, yo les doy de mi parte inmensa luz y mi sonrisa, les doy las gracias por dar la oportunidad y sus SUPER-BEBES de vivir en libertad y sana forma de nutricion, ustedes son realmente ganadores de sus propias vidas, ustedes son madres y padres que merecen hacer familias mas grandes,la vida les regalara mas vida y libertad...
jesus super star
jesussuperstar1 6 months ago
that last one was pretty fail, but whats the real benefit of being vegetarian, just because you eat meat doesn't mean you cannot be on a diet or healthy, and enviromental reasons that I've heard are ignorant, if you eat plants, you remove oxygen producing plants and food for animals and humans were built to eat meat and plants, we're omnivores not carnivores not herbavores, omnivores, so honestly whats the point?
flyleaf290 6 months ago
Australian Aborigines have been hunting and eating animals for over 40 000 yrs with no harm to the environment, then along comes a veghead and chops the forest down killing all the animals plows up the soil throws some seed in smothers it in herbicide, pesticide etc and then goes on youtube sprouting "save the animals" 50 yrs later the land is totally destroyed forever, all life is dead , thanks vegans
5Fathom5 6 months ago
Your "truths" are in no way explaining or busting the myths. For the first myth you are arguing about something entirely different and on the second myth you are just restating your point in a different way, which is just stupid.
super1commenter 7 months ago
i eat vegies and meat. i eat all!
makjep 7 months ago
@makjep I used to too. I examined it closely. I was spending so much time trying to figure out which meats( wild or farm raise, grass or corn fed, natural, organic, processed, unprocessed, etc.) I saw that the answer was in the problem: if it was that difficult to figure out how/why/when/where/what meat to eat, it was probably unhealthy. I noticed on the other side, EVERYONE agreed that we should eat lots of fruits/veggies/beans. So I stopped meat. THANK GOD! I'm so much better off now. Peace.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
p.s. You do realise that low quality foor I referred to is residu/waste from regular crops.
(and not a low quality crop specifficaly planted for livestock)
With your solution of not keeping livestock, this approximate 70% residu would still be produced, and still be useless to human consumption.
qkwijt 6 months ago
If a vegetarian were to eat whole grains and legumes,you'd feel anything but hungry.Dietary fiber fills you up and lowers your cholesterol.
namniekib 8 months ago
you don't uinderstand evolution
" so many other foods that replace the protein, as well as provide other nutrients."
And all these "other crops' probably can't be produced sufficiently to replace all meat. Probably not because many crops, especially those special ones, have a narrow tolerance for klimate and soil.
"The technology and the resources are there..."
See previous reactions.
qkwijt 9 months ago
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Listen vegetarians: predator, prey. That's the way the world works. Lions eat other animals. We eat other animals. Are you going to have a bitchy fit at carnivorous animals? No. So why at us omnivores? We are all animals, and all animals are hunters. I don't understand why you all feel so high and mighty over us, like you have superior knowledge! I'm working on becoming a zoologist, but I don't look at the animals and lick my lips!That's not how we omnivores live! Don't be prejudice. Peace out.
annie10103 9 months ago
you cant tell me what to eat ! i'll eat meat if i want! this is still america i guess?
salamonetalton 1 year ago
Proteïnes have to be broken appart before it can be to any use in the body.
Animal proteïne, pigs' proteïn in particular, are more like human proteïne, therefore have to be broken down less, and are more efficienty used in the human body. Furthermore, a healthy meat diets are a lot easier than special veggy diets
@ vegansecret
If efficient use of land is your main target. Fight Sugar Beet, and sugar consumption. Meat is usefull, considering nutricient value.
Sugar is redundant.
qkwijt 1 year ago
@qkwijt I just want to say right now that I'm vegan, and I want to explain why I chose to become vegan. I have nothing against eating animal by products, though I will never eat meat. I have nothing against cows milk, cheese, eggs, or honey. What I have a problem with is the way the animals that provide us with these things are mistreated, abused, enslaved, and murdered. There is no exscuse for this. I'm vegan because I can't live knowing that I am in any way causing so much suffering.
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
I too have a problem too with animals needless being mistreated.
This is however not the case in meat industry and slaughter.
p.s. You do know that Disney movies are fictional, right? And that animals don't have human intellect, or funny hand/gloves.
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt Try searching youtube for videos on animal cruelty. I read a story not long ago about a male calf in the dairy industry. Because he had a broken leg, and because he was male, he was considered worthless, so he was dumped on a pile of dead cows. They didn't even spare a few moments to euthanize him, they just left him to starve on a pile of corpses. Can you explain to me how this is not cruel? I know animals don't have some human emotions, like hate. Does that mean they don't understand?
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
Yes that is animal cruelty. Do you know why you read about it? Because it is an exceptionel story, It doesn't represent propper slaughter in a well organized legal slaughter house.
Other people can tell you a story about someone who fell out of a flying airplane and survived... a story
perhaps you should look up regular practice in a decent legal slaughterhouse.
(if possible, from a source in a western country today)
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt But if it happened once, what is keeping it from happening again? I know from experience that there are people who can be fined again and again for cruelty or neglect, yet they never change.
And what is 'proper slaughter'? How is murder proper? Don't get me wrong, I like meat, even if I don't eat it. But how can anyone even justify murder?
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
On such big numbers we can't stop people from speeding either.
But to completely abbandon traffic and roads is a bit harsh.
How can anyone justify slaughter?
We need to eat.
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt I know that I will never see a vegetarian society, but does that mean I should just do nothing? And as to needing to eat, I along with quite a few other people, are living proof that there is no need to include meat, dairy, or eggs in our diets. Why should I sacrifice another living creature so that I might live?
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
Your goals is a vegetarian society?
I know a human can live without meat. But can the entire society live without meat?
Can production of special supplementing food -like nuts- be increased sufficiently?
Is their production too limited by low tolerance for soil, atmosphere etc. Or too work intensive on massive scale.
Can regular crops be increased sufficiently?
(most meat producing animals are fed with waste from human crops, or produced on land that doesn't sustain human food)
qkwijt 9 months ago
@SOS522004
Is a veggy world possible?
I think not.
we can power a house with 'Green electricity" from solar pannels, windmills and biomoass. But we are a long way of sustaining society in such a manner.
Probably the same problem with vegetarian diet.
Some might argue about the quantity of food is possible, but how about the quality? Does taht food contain all neceserry nutrients?
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt There is one thing that we can't get from a vegan diet, and that is vitamin B12. Doctors reccomend that vegetarians and vegans take a supplement, as well as people over the age of 50. Not a big deal.
I don't aim to make the whole world vegan, or even vegetarian. But if humans evolved to eat meat, couldn't we evolve back?
Did you know that dandelion greens are edible? Not considered so by society in general, but its true.
And what is preventing us from being a totally green society?
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
"But if humans evolved to eat meat, couldn't we evolve back"
no
I did not know a dandelion is edible.
Does it also contain all neceserry nutrients to replace the daily meat intake?
"And what is preventing us from being a totally green society?"
Probably the facts I describes in my last message.
We can supplement meat for a small group of humans/vegetarians. But is it possible grow enough supplement to feed the entire population?
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt
Why couldn't we evolve back? We are constantly changing, so why not?
My point with the dandelions was that there is plenty of food all around, just that people don't know about it. No, they don't replace meat, but there are so many other foods that replace the protein, as well as provide other nutrients.
The technology and the resources are there to be a green society, so why aren't we?
We don't feed the entire population with meat, so who says we couldn't without?
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
If you don't understand evolution or my reactions, you better not respond at all.
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt
I was hoping you would elaborate a little more so that I could understand.
I'm not talking about any special crops, just the same ones that we grow for animals anyway, like soybeans and corn. There are acres and acres of both grown all around where I live for animals. What if at least some percentage of that went to feeding people? I think that it is possible to replace meat, if people would just give it a chance.
SOS522004 9 months ago
@SOS522004
That's the problem, you're not talking about any special crops. But those special crops are important for replacing meat.
The animals are fed with mostly waste products from soy for human consumption. Humans are omnivores, animals are herbovore. therefore human waste is animal feed. (and animals are human feed)
You're talking about quantities of food. that percentage of food for animals doesn't have sufficient quality to replace all nutrients.
qkwijt 9 months ago
@qkwijt "percentage of food for animals....sufficient quality to replace...." Perhaps, perhaps not. You're speculating. I do know that the US's largest crops are corn and wheat. Corn is EVERYWHERE in the super market, it is in EVERYTHING. So even flesh eaters are suffing it down their throats like there is no tomorrow, and these amounts of wheat (and potatoes, oats and beans) ALL over the market are just fractions of what is actually produced, most of which feeds livestock.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
no, not really.
In europe, where I live, cattle is fed with mostly non eatable grass and not eatable (and thus not available on the human food market) residu of sugar beet, soy plants residu (for Soy Oil, and recently biodiesel).
2nd, Humans are omnivores. No human is specifically a meat eater.
You do know that right?
I'm not speculating. I tell a loony vegetarian to produce proper facts.
qkwijt 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
If you want to convert me, don't speculate yourself, but show you know what you are talking about, and show me some proper research.
qkwijt 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
PS. You do also realise that not the entire grain plant is edible, and therefore does not go to the human food market (to be stuffed down the throuat by meat eaters).
Have you seen, for example crops leaves and branches on the market. I haven't to often.
The non edible parts (wich account to most of the 70%/80% mentioned before) end up in animal feed.
qkwijt 6 months ago
@qkwijt "that percentage of food for animals doesn't have sufficient quality to replace all nutrients." Let's suppose you are right. This is an easy fix, right? This is not a valid argument to delay ending the sickness of eating meat, is it? All farmers have to do is rotate crops on production schedules they already have. The entire mechanism (the planting, growing, harvesting, transport, storage, distro, which are the big problems) is already there. Small issue.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
1. It wouldn't help for specific crops that grow only in very specific area's. (for example tequilla, which apparently only grows in a specific area in mexico.)
That wouldn't produce the scarce nutrients.
2. It seems you don't have the slightes idea about agriculture, and its limitations.
qkwijt 6 months ago
@qkwijt "It seems you don't have the slightes idea about agriculture" Great, you're in the know! So please, if you would, enlighten us all about agriculture. Do you know, for instance, where 80% of the US, thus 60% of the world's corn supply goes? 70% of wheat? 80% of soybeans? 80% oats? Do you know what these crops, in these amounts are used for every year? Please, bring some of your agricultural expertise to bear here. Thanks!
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
Ill share some of my expertise.
About 50 - 60 - 70 or 80% of those crops isn't fit for human consumption.
That consists of leaves, roots, etcetera, can only be processed by herbivores.
qkwijt 6 months ago
@qkwijt Tell the Corn Growers Association and the National Soybean Growers that their products are not healthy food. Sure they gear their crops so that it is as cheap as possible to be fed for livestock. But that does not get us around the FACT that most plant food grown in the US, the world's largest producer of Corn and Soybeans, is being fed to livestock. This food, if it was grown and handled as a human product could feed the world, instantly. Want to do something about it?
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@FathomlessJoy
I Won't tell them.
They provide a good product. But it just isn't possible to grow plants woth 500% efficiency, so that everything grown is suitable for human consumpion.
Will you teach them to grow for example corn? A 500% efficient crops that leaves only corn in the field and not the 80% undesirable parts of the plants, such as non edible roots, leaves etc?
qkwijt 6 months ago
@qkwijt Actually, the sun wind soil & rain have done a pretty fair job of it for millions of years, amigo. My recommendation is to apply what expertise you have and learn how to let nature do its miraculous job. Hell, just getting out of the way of nature would probably get you 90% there. You can formulate excuses all day, hoss. Fact is we have the corn, beans, rice, wheat, oats to feed the world now. We lose all the efficiency you touched on by torturing animals while the pre-digest protein.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@qkwijt And frankly, I don't claim expertise, but I've grown corn in my own back yard with much more success than you claim farmers are having. Are they inept at what they do? Cause even I know how to do it.
Also, you do know that they sell bushels of corn that are CORN - the grain - right? These are sold on the market. These are not stalks and roots, etc. Beans and grain sold on the market are beans and grain. Most of this feeds livestock. I am not an expert and I know that.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@qkwijt So are you sure your attempt here is less to bring expertise to bear for a solution and more to make excuses for status quo? See when we derive pleasure and that is threatened somehow, the mind twists all sorts of excuses in the form of rationalizations justifications all about "that is just the way it is." I've heard these lazy fearful lies all my life. I am not buying it. I have found my way through those lies. I'm a solutions person, not an excuse person. What else you selling, hoss?
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
@SOS522004
No reply?
qkwijt 9 months ago
FACT: And according to a UN FAO report, “in all, livestock production amounts to 70 percent of all agricultural land and 30 percent of the land surface of this planet.” The USDA says growing crops for animals takes up 80 percent of the agricultural land in the US and animals raised for food in the US consume 90 percent of the soy crop, 80 percent of the corn and 70 percent of its grain.
vegansecrets 1 year ago 8
@vegansecrets they need food too, besides, even if all land was converted the crop productin, we could only feed 6 billion people, what about the other 775,235,700 do they just die, like all the animals because there is not enough food?
startrekwarsmixguy 6 months ago
@vegansecrets
Livestock takes up to 70% of all agricultural land?
So, 70% of all the soy lands are used only to feed livestock, AND on top of that livestock also gets the waste products unfit for human consumption?
Or should those numbers be adjusted to except waste products unfit for humans?
qkwijt 6 months ago
@qkwijt Actually the National Soy Growers say that 98% of the soy land is used for livestock. Check it out. Google "ninety-eight percent soybeans livestock" and see for yourself.
With soy (98% livestock) and corn (60% livestock): humans are eating the waste, friend. High fructose corn syrup, corn meal, corn oil, soybean oil, etc, all waste products of factory farming livestock. Check it, see for yourself.
FathomlessJoy 6 months ago
The only source of knowledge is experience. ~ Albert Einstein
vegansecrets 1 year ago 11
Reading back through some of these comments, I find it hilarious how many people use "human rights" and "do gooder" as insults. Last time I checked, fighting for equality and doing good things for humans, animals, and the planet were good things. :)
Jexpel 1 year ago 4
Knew an older guy who had cancer, so he became a vegetarian determined to beat it. Years later, he still died of cancer.
Antiks72 1 year ago
1 certain truth about vegetarians:
They are stupid pseudointellectual faggots
TheBulletRainMaker 2 years ago
@TheBulletRainMaker How interesting that you've met every single vegetarian on the planet, and that they're all homosexual men with low intelligence. Wow, I've been living a VERY well calculated play where I was led to believe I had a vagina. :O
You amuse me.
Jexpel 1 year ago
@Jexpel Your stupid childish sarcasm only makes me laugh, you fucking hipster dogshit
TheBulletRainMaker 1 year ago
@TheBulletRainMaker oh angry youtube comments
feliciafoxx 1 year ago
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Oh and HAHA, for environmental reasons? LMAO! did you know that in order to extract soy from soy beans, they use a dangerous solvent called 'Hexane' ? And this Hexane destroys the ozone layer upon use.
Vegans/Vegetarians are nutjobs.
DuoSonic87 2 years ago
Hexane is a toxic chemical and is even dangerous for the workers at soy plants to be around.
It is however, used in "natural" health foods like soy protein bars or protein powder. It is NOT used in making tofu, soymilk, or fermented soy. It's not needed. Nutjob.
oxonameless 2 years ago 4
your body produces bile to spray Fat that you have consumed..we have the function of bile for a reason, to break down animal fat.How the hell else are you going to eat quality saturated fats if you don't eat your goddamn animals?
Vegans/Vegetarians don't lose their hair, but they surely lose their testicles and brain.
DuoSonic87 2 years ago
veggies are fags. show me an athelete who doesnt eat meat. veg only is for fags, anorexics, and scientologists i weirdos. dont really know why I replied to ur comment but cant be arsed to type this again at the bottom of the page, or even copy and paste it haha
stevemoriz 2 years ago
@stevemoriz Haha awesome. Thumbs up for your comment man
DuoSonic87 2 years ago
@stevemoriz Actually there are plenty of athletes that are vegan, Peter Hussing
European super heavy-weight boxing champion, Desmond Howard
Professional football star, Heisman trophy winner,Brendan Brazier
Professional Ironman triathlete. Also using the word fag is really showing your intelligence, and I hate Scientology, im atheist. Also Aneroxia is a mental disorder, which shouldn't be made fun of.
xSingSingDeathHousex 1 year ago
@xSingSingDeathHousex The examples you give are a tiny minority. When I say fag, in the British context it generally means someone who is weak, puny & intimidated by women. There seems to be a massive trend towards the people who are into all this stuff to also be into left wing politics, communism, homosexuality, strange religious practices & have a massive air of self righteousness. This diet is not natural, humans are hunter gatherers.
The woman in the video is not a healthy weight!
stevemoriz 1 year ago
I didn't really get the first one, but great vid overall :-)
Zeaky0arteest 2 years ago
i love tofu!:D
constantinemoon 2 years ago 18
@constantinemoon Same here bud =)
Vegetarians for 4 ever.
necrOothic 1 year ago
@constantinemoon TOFU ROX :D
onoix 4 months ago
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I have heard many vegetarians and vegans say that meat eaters will go to hell.
Well, there'll be a lot of peeps burning, then! They better start saving up the tofu marshmallows. XD
Moseslawgiver 2 years ago
FACT;
All vegetarians turn into lib dem voters, human rights do gooders, would rather have criminals run free than in jail. Lefty lefty, softy wishy washer big girls blouses.
Live your life to the full, dont bother with this bullshit. Morrisette looks fit - to drop, skinny as fuck one foot in the grave in that pic! give me curves any day, but no fat birds haha
stevemoriz 2 years ago
hou, dumb nigga, hou?
collegeguy2009 2 years ago
I don't quite understand your comment. Care to elaborate in English? I'm not a nigger by the way.
stevemoriz 2 years ago
thy idiot... it is called inggeris.
collegeguy2009 2 years ago
lol, wtf
stevemoriz 2 years ago
wow please learn something before posing lies. all food must be digested and broken down beofre it can be used. of course animal porotein can not be used directly NONE CAN. and alanis ? yeah she is definitley veg, absolutley lost and looks horrible! pleasee srop trying to sell books and posoning people
MisterNutrition 3 years ago
Wow, please learn how to SPELL before posting something.
jhillst 3 years ago
wow, please get a life!
MisterNutrition 3 years ago