PHP Questions about Zend, Web 2.0 and Certification

[shaheenelt]

excellent video on php, zend others.you focus on some vital issues on php which have troubled me for a long and i found the solution.your other videos has also given me insights on php.expecting more videos on php and zend framwork.thanks a lot.

[killerphp]

@shaheenelt Glad you like our courses!

[shaheenelt]

excellent video on php, zend others.you focus on some vital issues on php which has troubled me for a long and i found the solution.your other videos has also given me insights on php.expecting more videos on php and zend framwork.thanks a lot.

[ErgosesChannel]

Thank you very much for taking the time to make this/these. :) I've been slowly making my way through Zend as part of a decision to stick with PHP as to what I want to use to provide services to clients, but it's nice to know I have probably made some pretty sound calls based on what you've said. I was confident, but I'm not as well connected/exposed to other higher level coders so I often feel I'm flying a bit blind. Thanks again. :)

[killerphp]

@ErgosesChannel

I'm glad I could help.

Stefan

[jsmith19810808081]

@killerphp I don't know if this is going to per se help anyone but the prices of these courses (not killerphp's of course) but the Zend Certs are very expensive generally but it I would say only costs at the very most a quarter of that fee to actually get certified but the course itself what the tutors get paid bumps up to the just under [in our currency in the UK] £800

[Arizno3000]

good quality visuals and sound. Looking forward to more vids. Nice work

[killerphp]

Thanks. We have more on the way.

Stefan

[ronneyblack]

Thanks Stefan

You answered a few of my questions

[killerphp]

Glad to have helped.

Stefan

[IslamPlanet]

good video stef but I think you are making a big deal of frameworks.

I think frameworks makes the developer stupider and stupider in the language itself but he can do things faster just because alot of the code is already written for him.

programmers need to learn the language not how a framework works and forgetting the built-in functions and programming techniques, ..etc.

But because php isn't really well structured so learning a framework AFTER you master php is good idea and unbias choice

[killerphp]

The advantage of the framework, in terms of learning PHP, is that you get to explore design patterns is use.

[IslamPlanet]

Absolutely right stef, but you agree wtih me if a programmer only knows how to work with a framework or get used to it till the point that he forgot how to write code from scratch or solve some problems using tricks and techniques or is not able to write simple pages in php that doesn't really need framework then at this point this programmer is killing his skills not improving it.

learning a framework for new programmers is no good, this is just me, I don't like to use code I didnt write/read.

[killerphp]

The danger of always jumping to a framework is very real - I've seen over engineering a lot in the Java world.

That said, I've seen my own skills benefit from using frameworks because they introduced me to some interesting techniques and patterns.

... I've also learned what NOT TO DO by using web frameworks!

My top three rules of programming:

1. Don't reinvent the wheel

2. Copy and Paste

3. Keep it simple

Stef

[IslamPlanet]

lol yea stef, I like that one " Don't reinvent the wheel" haha.

Good luck!

Hussam.

[itsGratisFreebies]

thanks for the video

[killerphp]

I look forward to seeing the link. That said, Zend can be made much more approachable if you find the right teaching ..

Stef

[CamiloSanchez1979]

I tried using frameworks..so frustrating for the newbies. Documentation is so scarce or too technical. I found myself doing simple things faster with some lines of php. Maybe I am just too stupid for Zend, but I found a post by Rasmus Lerdorf where he criticized frameworks because he thought php is good enough as it is..I gotta look for it so I post the link.