What Do People Need From Their Pastors? (John Piper)

[StrumstickJoe]

What people need from their pastors is for them to shut up their lies for ever.

Here's a more accurate definition of christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

It makes perfect sense.

[Strefanasha]

"who's gonna help them see god?"

The Holy Spirit. For those VERY few who find a need to seek Him in private prayer

the plain and bitter fact is that THERE IS NO OTHER HELP: AROUND.

chase pastors writers counsellors, as I did, and get your face kicked in repeatedly

moreover pipers railing about impure ads shows that he is a guilt ridden legalist who has not got this relationship either

[bringonthewrath]

wait wait wait, I thought people are supposed to go directly to God and Jesus for their salvation, This is creating a middle man between God, sounds like Avatar

[Strefanasha]

@bringonthewrath

absolutely right!!!!! the typical pastorate undercuts the sole mediatorship of christ. a pastor should be leading people to a closer relationship with christ.

but they themselves do not have this.

where should the people find help?

GOD

[borya87]

GOD is love

[prinsalmighty1]

well they are not goning to get it from john piper,i can tell you that much.

[jtsfrog]

Interesting....timely.

[micwat49]

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The sky wont expose any answers so stop searching there. You

cannot escape reality's trials with a simple prayer. For such a

complicated sin fear not of punishment. Find enjoyment in their pain and

incisions made. You're not a heathen for thinking this if God can allow

these situations. With no response or a single sign sent from the

heavens, God is not deaf, just nonexistent. Allow your last ounce of faith to diminish. Let the hunger consume your thoughts.

[beautifulswitzerland]

Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done— by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit. So from Jerusalem all the way around to Illyricum, I have fully proclaimed the gospel of Christ.(Rom 15:17-20)

[TheNancyBell]

For Not of this Galaxy: According to the rules of logic, it is illogical to say that all religions are correct. Either all are wrong or only one is correct. They all contradict each other so they can't all be right. Time to find out which one has it right- you stand to lose everything, forever if you don't. Sincerely seek the truth with all your heart, and He will be found.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

True spirituality was hijacked long ago...

The truth cannot be found in any religions system.

The big lie of history is that we are separate from God. We are actually all little pieces OF God.

And God is not a 'He', by the way.

Fancy churches that run on money have sprung up everywhere with people in fancy clothes all claiming that theirs is the best way. And they are all wrong.

[SalvationEternity777]

Please visit these links as a beginning of answers to your post. However I am tempted to remove your post because it frustrates me to see anti-Christian sites on google misusing scripture plastered unto my channel even without reference, which I believe you did.

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God bless. Please take some time and read them.

[SalvationEternity777]

Dare you say that all the misused scripture was gained by your own studies as opposed to ripped whatever you found from the search of google?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Read Deuteronomy. It's the story of a very bad nephelim pretending to be God. My God is bigger than that. You are a child of a lesser god. My God is not a murderer.

[SalvationEternity777]

Honestly, humbly, you need to come to Christ. You're really stuck on beliefs without a foundation or rational basis...

Come to Christ for forgiveness for sins and remission of sins.

"As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.""

(Heb 3:15)

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Christ is already within Me. It is the bible that I take issue with. Throughout the bible we see an angry God filled with retribution and rage. Anger is not a virtue. Anger is an emotion that is better suited with an evil entity. As a christian, My God is The God of Love ALL the time. There will never be peace in this World as long as there are christians who think God leads us into battle. The evil rulers have always found religion useful in fooling the people into fighting their holy wars.

[SalvationEternity777]

The Bible actually condemns ungodly anger...

"for mans anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. "

(James 1:20)

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,"

(Rom 1:18)

God reveals His wrath to sinners, who deserve it.

God is love, but God is just. One question...

Do you want a just AND loving God? Or is your God only love but unjust?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

My God is only Love; & My God does not judge - does not meddle in human affairs, & does not choose sides in sporting events or wars. We judge Ourselves especially just after every death in the life review. And We reincarnate.

I see the contradiction: The bible rightfully condemns anger as evil, but in: Jeremiah 17:4 Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever. The false biblical God does not set a good example. We created God in Our image, You could say.

[SalvationEternity777]

The Bible condemns purposeless anger, not righteous anger.

"for mans anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. "

(James 1:20)

"A fool gives full vent to his anger,

but a wise man keeps himself under control. "

(Prov 29:11)

interpret the Bible in context. Don't throw verses left and right, study the Bible and analyze it for what it is.

So your God does not judge, He does not judge evil? He is just loving? Am I correct?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Anger comes from a sense of frustration when a person cannot control a situation. The people went astray in God's mind. He was frustrated; and he lashed out. We send people to anger management classes for doing this. Anger is not becomming of a being of high intelligence. Don't try to justify anger. Anger is not Love. Anger is sin - separatation from God. That was not God in the old testament.

[SalvationEternity777]

So wait, if you were a judge and was to judge Hitler or Stalin, would you judge them guilty and sentence them what they deserve?

Doesn't justice require wrath and sentences of wrath?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Nobody deserves less than love. Wrath, revenge & anger are always sin, and totally unnecessary for there to be justice. Justice should never involve revenge, which is the mark of a barbarous society. If the society had been engineered by a truly loving, intelligent being, then crime would have been almost nonexistant; and justice would be practically unnecessary. I believe in karma. Threats to society should be isolated in loving ways to protect the society.

[SalvationEternity777]

So should Hitler be punished or what?

Should Stalin or other dictators that pursued civilians be punished?

If it was possible, should they be, or should they be free?

Do you find justice in your worldview through an example like this.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

They should not be free because they would be a threat to society. Isolation is the method - not revenge. Each community needs to decide the method of isolation. Why torment further an already tormented mind? That would make things worse; and love would not be prevailing. Government must show love always. You can't solve a wrong with another wrong. Why kill them and release them into the spirit world where they could be reincarnated to come back and raise hell again anyway? Namaste.

[SalvationEternity777]

What about justice? If the law demands that the criminal must die, shouldn't the criminal die then?

Do you believe in that justice? Yes/no

are you just as well loving, or do you lack one

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

No. Capital punishment laws should be be stricken down. When you let love be your guide, you would want to try to rehabilitate the criminal, no matter what the deed. The people in the society that are best suited for this task should be called upon. Not everybody has the love to do this since we live in such a barbarous society. But real change would occur, given a benevolent & wise leader or leadership. If that does not work, then the criminal must be isolated for the safety of the society.

[SalvationEternity777]

Hmm I see what you mean,

your saying, instead of being just, we should be loving correct?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

We, & Society, should be loving in all things; if that changes Our, or Society's definition of justice, then so be it. Think about it... Who would Jesus bomb, go to war with, or kill? The answer is obvious - NoOne. But We see Yhwy & the god of the book of the revelations engaged in all sorts of unloving activities, like condemning people to eternal hell, war, mistreatment of women, flaming nostrils, unbridled rage, retribution, revenge, near genocide of an entire planet (the flood), & on and on.

[SalvationEternity777]

God of the Bible is just, and loving.

So you have not answered properly yet...

Instead of being just, should you only be loving?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

A society, the leadership, and individuals should be just and loving at the same time. I do not believe an individual is being loving when his nostrils are aflame or he is committing genocide or war. One must not sink to the level of the criminal by committing the same crimes as the wrongdoer. The god of the bible reminds me of the mentally disturbed father who whips his children while telling them that he loves them.

[SalvationEternity777]

I ask you one last time not to make theological implications until you've researched them.

Be respectful to the host of the channel please, you are priviledged to have a platform to talk all this opinionated, unsubstantiated view you have.

Don't ever separate justice and love as you have.

Your love is unjust. You do not believe in man's accountability but let evil roam freely.

That's not love, that love is unjust.

Repent of your false beliefs man, while Christ still calls.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

You believe in a god that is similar in many respects to Zeus - prone to human faults like jealousy and anger. I believe in a Higher God that is not prone to such frailties. A real benevolent Being does not need to resort to threats, and does not lash out in anger. It is self-evident that the god of the old testament was not a Higher Being, much less, God Of All. If you think God is a man, then where is his woman? What use is one gender?

[xsgtusmc]

if that is true then according to you God is a sinner. His wrath abides on the unrighteous, He says to be angry and sin not. so anger does not necessarily = sin. revenge belongs to God he will repay. You are deceived and are under the wrath of God. you like everyone are a sinner and God will judge sin. You are highminded thinking yourself to be better than God and think you know how to run society instead of seeing you apart of the problem, you are a rebel against the God of the bible.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

No. According to me, the god of the old testament was a sinner. I do not believe that the god of the old testament was the real God. Perhaps it was a fable; or perhaps it was Zeus - or his brother Hades (more likely). Revenge and anger and war do not set well with me as being attributes of the true God. Read Deuteronomy; and I think you will see my point.

[SalvationEternity777]

According to you? Friend, it's not according to you what is important, it's what the Bible says. "Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. " (Isaiah 40:28) I have read Deuteronomy, it is a warning and example to us today. If you kill with the sword, you will be punished, and death is the punishment. Take a time to read the Gospel of John, God bless.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

I can easily imagine a more perfect being than the god of the old testament. And there is no reason to believe a book that makes no sense. That does not mean you should stop believing in God, only that the real God is much more divine. This hell, fire, and brimstone religion of yours is heavily destructive to the progress of humanity. It is one of the reasons why so many people have a war mentality. Consider raising your consciousness.

[SalvationEternity777]

What's your final authority?

Is it the Bible?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

No, my friend. It is the same as Jesus'. My final authority is my heart. There are many religions; but only one heart. In the end, is not the heart the final authority? When you follow your heart, you follow noone. Jesus was a leader, not a follower. I take heart in following him in that way.

A good discussion, by the way. Here we are... two people with different backgrounds... both striving to do what is right.

[SalvationEternity777]

Okay that's what your heart says.

Now let's see what the Bible says.

Speaking about the natural heart of man:

"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? "

(Jeremiah 17:9)

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Didn't Jesus say that the truth is written on your heart?

[SalvationEternity777]

No.

Paul said the law was written in the hearts of gentiles who did not have the Mosaic law, meaning they had a conscience.

The natural heart itself that you have if you are outside of Christ, is evil, is impure, deceitful, and will only hurt you.

Come to Christ, you have never come to Him. It's not by works you are saved. You come to Him in faith. Be like Peter, he said, LORD SAVE ME, and He did.

Come to Him, and cry out to him to save you, do so until you have been. God bless

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

I stand corrected. My point still stands, however, that I see no reason to follow any particular book. I do not believe we are 'born in sin'; and when we connect back to the Source, we find our Christ, or God, or whatever we want to call it. Words are imperfect. God is not. So books cannot be words of God since they are just a collection of words. I stand by my heart. I am already Christ-filled (using your vernacular); and, with all due respect, I don't need your 'system' to be one with God.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Our basic nature is one with God. It is the trials of this world that causes some of us to veer from that. Words are imperfect. So no book can accurately describe or represent God. Look outside the box. The Original Sin doctrine only lines the pockets of the preachers.

[SalvationEternity777]

That's only your opinion, and there is no reason to believe what you say if you have no authority.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Of course. But what is your authority? An old book - just one old book in a sea of old books? or is it an idea? You can walk with God without a book. You have been indoctrinated into a certain 'system', obviously, for a very long time. Humans are funny that way. We tend to believe things stronger as time goes by. We are attracted to like-minded people, and what we once questioned, eventually becomes a way of life. You do what you think the book says rather than actually tune in to the I Am.

[YoDaddie0]

I've enjoyed reading this thread. One of very few on YouTube that is respectful and mature. That being said, as much as I understand what you're saying, NotOfThisGalaxy, I find it difficult to believe that in your very limited four decades on earth you have surpassed the knowledge of thousands of years of humanity. This is the most prevalent sin of our day...that we think we are all-knowing. Who are you to inform God how to be loving? Or just? Judging God is a fool's game. You NEED Jesus.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

I am sure that many people think along those lines. How can so many people be wrong? they say. But there are many religions in this world; and in one way or another, they all contradict each other. That is the problem with religion; it was good for those in the presence of the master; but after it was written down, it became cold; then men in power used it for purposes of control. I am one of the few people in this world who have been in the presence of an enlightened Master. Follow your Heart.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Yo:Have you searched the world? Have you studied all the religions equally? How can you be so sure that the religion you just happened to be born into is the single correct one? What are the odds? They are all wrong and all right all at the same time. Wouldn't it make more sense to simply do what you know is right regardless of what some old person with book-learning and a financial interest (like a preacher) tells you? Your natural trust is being used against you. Question authority. Jesus did.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Anybody who gives you a belief system is your enemy. Religion is a personal path - not group-think. Churches are for people who think other people's thoughts. It is sad that there are still so many people who are still bound by the religions of guilt and fear - ancient religions with no validity. The teachings of Jesus have been so twisted that there is almost no resemblance to the original if he even existed. And we don't know. We really don't. We were not there. It was 2000 years ago!

[SalvationEternity777]

That's untrue. The New Testament is more reliable than any other work of antiquity. This video is worth the watch.

watch?v=yHd69NLk7nU

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

It's absolutely true. Religion teaches you that you are born a sinner, when in fact, you are born pure. The bible is studded with absurdities and inconsistancies. Guilt and fear are the glues that keep the money rolling into the church. There is no record of Jesus passing a plate; yet the modern church could not exist without money. God exists separate from any book. Burn all the bibles; and God would still exist. People would have to listen to their Hearts. It would be a better World.

[SalvationEternity777]

Hitler and Stalin sure followed their desires.

Hmm interesting, that results in a better world?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

That's not even worth replying to.

[SalvationEternity777]

Please don't be rude especially to the host of the channel,

unfruitfulness and desultory sequences into being blocked unless repentance is observed.

God bless.

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

The actions of 2 people in a sea of billions does not mean much to me. Babies are born pure. Only babies know what love is; and that knowledge is knocked out of them by society. But the church says that babies are born in sin and need the church to avoid eternal damnation. But it is the church and society that caused the young life to go astray. The young child desires no wrong, and only desires love. The church says they are evil. Such is the evil of the church establishment.

[SalvationEternity777]

By the church, do you mean true biblical genuine Christianity, or the Roman Catholic Church, ie Roman Catholicism?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

By the church, I mean organized religion. I make no big distinctions between the hundreds of divisions within the church. I do not believe there is a 'true biblical genuine christianity'. I believe that the only true spirituality is the one contained in One's Own Heart. And I believe that the message of One's Own Heart is the message of Christ. Religion is personal; and my religion has a total membership of one - Me - every moment of My Existance - not just for an hour on Sunday.

[SalvationEternity777]

So to clarify, do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Not 'the' word of God. I believe that We Are All Little Pieces of God. I believe We Are All One. So it logically follows that the bible is no more or less the Word of God than All Other writings. I come at this from an entirely different perspective than You. There are many Near Death Experience archives online; and in them, it is routinely accounted that there is a profound feeling of Oneness with the Universe when We die. What you do unto your brother, you do unto yourself. The reality of One.

[SalvationEternity777]

No more or less?

If everything is balanced equally, how do you explain the contradictions in them?

If let's say the Bhagavad Gita holds the same credibility of the Quran, which you I suppose believe is "from God", how do you explain that they contradict in many ways?

Are you saying God contradicts Himself?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

God is not male; God having a gender at all is an ancient human idea based on a limited understanding of God. There are parts of God that contradict other parts of God; but God is striving to do better. God is All-There-Is. God is conscious. God is evolving. All Energy is God. God creates Everything out of God's Self. Every Manifestation of Energy in all It's Forms is God. All writings, & all things are manifestations of God & are God, all with varying degrees of 'credibility'.

[SalvationEternity777]

What's the basis or foundation of your claims?

Why should anyone give your beliefs credibility?

Do you give empirical evidence? Logical reasoning? Why can't I say; you're wrong, the Bible is right..?

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

These are ideas I have based on 4 decades of extensive study of every religion, geopolitics, and life in general. I was raised in a christian home. I saw the corruption of the church, and the lack of serious reasoning of the flock. It seemed like everybody was just following the crowd. I reasoned that God would not punish me for asking the most basic of questions. So I ventured out on my own. I followed my Heart wherever it lead me. I see nothing wrong with that.

[SalvationEternity777]

Not a very strong basis and foundation. It's essentially all of your own opinion.

I question your validity as once being a Christian, because your beliefs contradict even the basic tenets of Christianity, while I even question if you realize it.

"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"

(Jer 17:9)

...(cont1)

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

An incredibly strong basis and foundation, because it comes from within. Do you really believe that the Supreme God of the Universe could be prone to fits of anger as in the old testament? With a God like that, who needs a devil? This alledged God was responsible for the murders of millions of innocent lives.

[SalvationEternity777]

Prove your last statement, I really don't like it when people throw random stuff out there.

Unjustified blasphemous statements will lead to a blocking.

Also, your foundation is your opinion. Essentially, your argument is just an opinion, and humbly, you will not make a strong case, even in other debates.

Use rationality, use science, use history like the Bible to prove your case.

acrm(.)webs(.)com

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Logic & reason are of no use in finding spiritual truth. I don't need a system; I'm not selling Amway. I don't need to think other people's thoughts. Jesus didn't. Buddha didn't. Blasphemy can only occur under the rules of false doctrine; & I do not bekieve those rules. I am a divine being; so are You. Don't be like the scribes and pharasies - full of laws and righteous indignation. Life is a mystery to live, not a puzzle to figure out. It's all about Love & adventure - not spite & anger.

[SalvationEternity777]

(cont1)...

"For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

(Mark 7:21-23)

[NotOfThisGalaxy]

Perhaps there was a man named Jesus. If so, he was a misunderstood great master, a son of god, & a son of man, no different than Us. He was a PART of God, just like We all Are. & as a part of God, He needed no church. The Truth is in Your Heart. There is no reason to look to a system of religion for truth or love. Your Heart is pure. Systems & words R not. U already know know how to love. Jesus did not attend church or put much stock in scriptures. So Be like Him. Seek Your Heart, friend.

[hugiaino]

Calvinism, rearing it's serpents head, amongst the Primitive Baptists, is a heresy. See my 8 videos at: "hugiaino" - "My Two Cents Worth". Without the true understanding of the difference between Regeneration and Conversion - or of Temporal Salvation as opposed to Eternal Salvation.... you do not have true Christianity - Google: "Justification by Christ Alone" by Samuel Richardson [1647] - notice his use of the word "means" 32 times in that sermon. 362 years ago, and you still can't get it? UGH

[jingling30]

I haven't had a TV for years. I'm still alive to tell about it.