5:35-5:41 " All levels of income are better off than they were in 1979 " Yeah, like fuck they were, Not relative to what you could buy from the bottom up in society
@Rofistim US money is no longer backed by gold because of rapidly changes wages and values (&the great depression) -"full faith and credit clause".The reason, according to my economics textbook, that our dollar is worth something is because people are willing to accept it as a payment.And as a safeguard,our money will never get to inflated (worthless) because foreign banking industries (which back our federal reserve) would stop supplying credit -bond worth and banking investment for $.
@Rofistim "even if America is a strong economy and no one benefits from it, then there is no point and America got no money." and your telling me i'm uneducated (and i'm not talking about the grammar).
@Rofistim but even when we were in a recession our HDI was still higher than your country. i did check my numbers and they are very precise. (and no i didn't get them from fox i got them from FRED (federal reserve economics data online) our database that our school uses.)
@Rofistim lol but as economics student, I know that your country has a worker satisfaction/Utils rate of 2.3 -one of the lowest in the world USA-~8.7 the highest in the world. The only thing keeping your country alive is government spending: I mean 50% of your debt is the multiplier and GDP in your country haha. lets see how salaries look in, oh say 25 to 30 years. not so good huh! BTW salaries are decrease by approx .5 to 1% percent a year in your country :D i love america!!!!!
@94MCtryland "... they have free helthcare, free education..." then you contradicted yourself by saying "they just have to pay a little higher taxes because all these things cost money." My point? Nothing, really. It just bothers me when people say "free this" or "free that", even when they, like yourself, know that it's not really free.
So in sweeden you believe someone should make all the decision for you...wow what a weak human slave...you people make me sick the working people should not pay for a majority of a country to sit on their ass (speaking of america there). But when you pay the government more money to get FREE anything is it really free? your just paying them not the people doing the service...makes me puke.
@doonc00nslay3r A fireman, policeman, nurse, doctor whatever gets a better salary in Sweden than in the US, suck on that :) We pay higher taxes indeed but it's not like you people think that we can barely live on it, we live our lives very happy and not at all near poverty! And also, they dont make all the decision for us -_- Unlike the US our government needs a lot of work before they can pass a law, not as much power as a prime minister as being a president in the USA! Look up our system plz!
@doonc00nslay3r Yet how do you explain that Sweden and the other high tax countries are some of the most successful? I'm no even making this up, there are statistics to back them up.
Also, in countries that provide healthcare and education for their people, it is never described as free. People know what they are paying for and it means everyone, no matter what their income, can rely on the state to provide them with the same essential rights. Unlike America, where the poor must suffer.
The demonization of coporations in favor of some mythical "communist/socialist utopia" will be the downfall of our nation. I dare say even you lefties would quickly see that it is a sick scam designed by clueless, sick individuals to benefit the very few social elites who put it in place! Class warfare is required at the start of a commie take over, there has to be "villans" for the masses to accept the lie. I can only hope that after November, the left will begin to fade into the scrapheap!!
politicians would rather protect capitalism knowing that it lead to the downfall of the economy. remember AIG,Fannie/Freddie Mac,Leihman Bros,Merrill Lynch, Countrywide,Bank of America,Citi bank, Morgan Stanley all of them recieved taxpayer bailout money. in return we get more job loses, pension, retirement, 401k, healthcare,josb get sent to other countrys to avoid higher taxes then they gave CEOs millions in bonuses.all those companies have lobbyist in washington trying to shape washington.
@hellvelle24 exactly! but apparently these folks would rather give millions of their tax-payer dollars to a few CEO's of huge corporate banking firms than "feed and clothe" ordinary citizens that are too "irresponsible" to achieve a high enough level of "success" (as 61804shill puts it) to reap the benefits of corporate welfare.
after all, our tax money isn't there to benefit the masses, it's there to benefit a few very large corporations.
Long live LibertyPen. Do not be surprised if the internet is attacked by the elite and the leftist. Because of the greatness of TRUTH tellers such as LibertyPen.
Whatever isms depend on whose running things . Leaders have been known to say one thing and do another , A democratic socialism could work very well . I think what ruins things is the corruptible effects of money and power in any system.
What's the other American alternative? A theocracy of fundamentalist Christians (religious police anyone?), or a gung-ho, shoot-1st-ask later, make-me-richer-fuck-the-poor, obtuse and artery-clogging conservative old fashioned right wingers?
We know what that gave the world: Idiot G.W.Bush and nazi Cheney.
Obama might not be perfect, but the alternatives are far too frightening for this battered planet to contemplate.
@AxleMunshine001 Right, like Medicare Part D and the Patriot Act are about freer markets or more personal rights. Not to mention president fuckup has increased the deficit more than all prior presidents (including hoover part 2) combined. This FDR part 2 is gonna finish us off. Breathe in reality. Communism doesn't work.
The loss of capitalism is not the loss of freedom. Socialism allows the workers to keep more money by eliminating the Brad Pitts', the Bill Gates', and the extreme rich. People work better in groups, it is the human element. Capitalism focuses on primitive instinctual needs for self-preservation. Socialism is inevitable, truly it is. The mind evolves faster than the body, and in this society, more people are becoming educated and understanding the benefits of collectiveness.
@solracselbor Socialism is a great system for those who do not produce and seek to live as a dependent child. For those who produce, socialism is a form of slavery. That is, you are forced to work for the benefit of others. Capitalism is VOLUNTARY exchange. Socialism is COMPULSORY exchange. That is why capitalism IS economic liberty.
You would be a good politician because you make false claims. What would ACTUALLY happen if we lost capitalism and went to complete socialism would be a much higher degree of poverty stricken people in America. The only people who would work would be people who CHOOSE to work, and the rest would recieve wealth from the workers. Where in history has socialism worked?
It's funny, you show the same traits of a politician yourself. None of your claims are just because the only logic you provide is inductive and based on historical context. Show me a study that suggests the unwillingness of people to comply in the absence of reciprocity. Search for a study that suggests people do not engage in group think. Show me a recent study of american goals that does not include happiness. Show me a study on happiness that does not include relatedness /w others
Why do you think that the only way people will work together is with socialism? I will argue that people work together better with capitalism, where they are free to choose where they like to work, and people in businesses work together to provide goods and services to other people in exchange for money which they can spend on goods/services that they want. Just remember this you simpleton; Transactions is a free enterprise system do NOT occur unless both parties benefit.
It is difficult to explain to you in 489 characters why socialism needs to be seriously considered. You have ingrained in your mind capitalisms perceived benefits and fail to observe its forced inequalities. People in business do not work together for goods and services like you say, they do so in order to conceive ways of profit by any means legal. Transaction reciprocity? Apparently you've never studied helpfulness. Read Einsteins take: google "Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein"
Fair enough, I have researched some of Einstein's ideas on socialism before but never in great detail, I'll look into it. But you should look into the ideas of capitalism. I looked at one of your videos and saw some of the heart-wrenching statistics about world-wide poverty that I had seen before. One of the main reasons for the increased world hunger is because countries like ours have given away lots of free food to developing countries.
The intentions of giving this food to these poor African countries were very good, but the results only created more hungry mouths to feed. The old chinese saying "You can give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, or you can teach a man to fish and he will eat for life." Really applied to the African population quadrupling in the last 25 years. Also- in most of the countries of poverty- they are ruled by despots who restrict free trade. just keep that in mind.
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. -Thomas Sowell
@ahoyhoy79 There were Tea party rallies in 07 (look it up) Oh who was president ? Wait I'll give you the benifit of the doubt. They had no Publicity. That didn't happen until the necons started humping the tea parties leg. Here is one back to you. Why is the war now ok? Code pink is just going after bush and pals and not demanding the current president end the war as they did to bush. Tougemaster06 is 1/2 right Oh look propaganda.......spilling from both sides
@ahoyhoy79 Code pink ETC. the only one with any balls is Cindy Sheehan. Don't see her on tv anymore tho wonder why ? She was on all the time when Repubs were running things not so much anymore. Code pink all over the last president this one sends more troops not a peep? Wonder why. We are still at war are we not? Before the hijacking . Almost the same things Small Gov. Fed clarity etc. without fox news and the neocon B.S.
i think i get what u guys mean. you guys stand for original republican values. am i right? well, coming from an australian anarcho-social background; all i can say is that i wish you guys werent tainted with the scourge of noeconservatism
When this nation was founded, we set regulations that were suppose to completely limit the government's power because we knew they would do the wrong thing and screw us. And here we are, going COMPLETELY against are previous hopes and dreams.
@EdikShepherd screw you over? so funding israel isnt screwin you over? $1trill spent on war isnt screwing you over. BUT TAKE THIS U SUNNOVA BEETCH! YOURE GONNA HAVE THIS MEDICINE AND GET WELL AND HOPEFULLY LIVE LONGER WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! HA U LIKE THAT? U LIKE THAT?
screw you over? just say it, some ppl are too selfish to help others in society; you know the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be healthy, screw em, the homeless, screw em! DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL Y'ALL!
You're totally right, there ARE people who are too selfish to help others in society, and now that you're forcing them to do it, guess what? Everyone one else is going to have to pay A LOT MORE because of these greedy people not wanting to give away money. You know what that means? It means less people are going to be able to afford it than before, so the only thing your doing is making less people have health care... or at least increasing our percentage of people without jobs.
No m8, Cuba is communist, they have a leader to guide them on their way to the end of history... sweden has some rules that apply to socialism, but teh country itself isn't ;) taht was wat I ment.
Dude, do you know what communism is? Communism is stateless and classes society. There's no Fidel to boss you around or some capitalist boss, only your fellow coworkers, comrades or whatever you like. You go to the store and take whatever you like for free. Yet you must contribute with something for society. I don't see such system in Cuba, I only see failed State socialism there. In true socialism proletarians control means of production.
Yes indeed. But to reach that state in a society a strong leader is set to guide his people there, untill he is no longer needed... So in other words... Cuba is ( was ) trying to become a communist country by assigning a leader untill he was no longer needed and everything would go by itself... ofc this will never happen >.o
Cuba wasn't trying to be Communist but Fair and Just to the people the World Over. The Jewnited Snakes and Spain had Privitized Cuba's Land, mainly the Sugar Plantations which were an enormous Prophet to the Robbers, and Fidel as with Vietnam Ho Chi Minh who were the Victims of the same system of Exploitation by the U.S & France saw Socialism not Marxism as a way of equal distribution of the Country's Wealth. That is the essence of the War in Vietnam and the "Bay of Pigs" war against Cuba.
Then why was Fidel Castro the leader of the Partido Comunista de Cuba ( Communist Party of Cuba )? He was trying to reach communism m8... ofc he ended up as a dictator... ^^.
Cuba doesn't have a "Failed State Socialist Policy" but is the Victim of a U.S. Blockade that won't allow countries to trade with Cuba because they weren't allowed to Murder Fidel Castro or execute a successful Coup against the Legal Cuban Government. Fidel's system of Government is Socialist as with Vietnam. They wanted Socialism because there Resources were being exploited by the "Colonial Powers" Cuba-U.S. and Spain, Vietnam-U.S.-France. They wanted "Freedom" that's why there catchin Hell.
There liars. They know that Americans are Domicile and most had never been out of the country besides "Spring Break" or something of that manner and they were so drunk and high they didn't and still don't know what the Hell is really going on or how they're getting screwed by the Government that's been telling to "Love it or Leave it", never CHANGE IT! They say Socialism doesn't work, but does Capitalism? Are people losing there homes here by the thousands dialy? Dying cause no H.insurance.
I never said capitalism works and ill never say it does... Like I said before the communist party of cuba is in that country and rules it... so wth are you on about? A communist party that isn't trying to reach communism? dhrr...? It is true that americans are dumb but I am not one myself and what does this have to do with them? I am just stating cuba is trying to reach communism...?
@Bronzecop It is hard to define what is socialism and what is not. I don't think you should want "that socialism"... I think you need the rules that are best for your country. Defining it in classes like that will only get people crying.
@Nibinhilion Whatever I want functionalism or sociocracy or something that fits in those 2 categories as well. Facism works, but we gotta be really careful to put who in charge.
Fail. Obviously there is a difference between Soviet totalitarianism, Keynesian economics and "socialism" per se. They're not all the same thing at all. People who argue against socialism are usually just terrified of the idea of human equality, and long for a hierarchical society run by rich people.
And.... what does Hitler have to do with socialism?
Nazi Germany was a socialist country, just as Mao's China and Stalin's Russia, Socialism is a great system for those who seek to live as dependent children at the expense of their fellow man. It is not so good for those who revere individual liberty.
All of that is incorrect. The fact is that we ARE all dependent on each other. It is impossible to calculate each person's contribution to the total wealth, which is always collectively produced. It is the rich who are living at the expense of their fellow men. And i maintain that individual liberty is incompatible with capitalism!
Capitalism is incompatible with individual liberty? Are you nuts? It is the only system that is. It is the system in which INDIVIDUALS are free become successful by using the power of their minds. It is a moral system in which one must serve their fellow man with products or services so valuable, others voluntarily trade their money. Each of us, unless we are criminals, is paid in accord our value. Money is an individual's virtue. The rich are simply more virtuous than those who produce nothing.
Oh dear. Someone who has read Ayn Rand or something and is completely blind to the way our economic system really works. That is the crassest rationalization for greed and selfishness i have read in a long time.
Spoken like someone who produces nothing. Spoken like a willing slave. Obviously, you are not in business. thank goodness. If so, you would know that profits do not drive business. The ability to meet your fellow man's needs and desires does. Profit is simply the reward for having done this. Loss signals that you failed. Consumers always win. You must be exploited as an employee, but why? If you cannot find another job, it is because you do not present a recognized value. Just get more skills.
Man that is all just THEORY. In the real world, corporations have more money and power than governments. We're not in the era of little mom and pop stores anymore. Profits are just receipts minus costs, the unpaid labour of the workers who actually produce the goods! That is why PROPERTY IS THEFT as Proudhon said!
You are welcome to choose the successful as your sworn enemy, if you find that psychologically satisfying. That is the beauty of freedom. But do not hide from this truth: Corporations cannot take your liberty. Only governments can. No history book will tell you otherwise.
Liberty is the natural state of mankind that preceded government---the right to use the power of your mind as a means of survival and advancement. American government was established to protect these liberties--speech, self-defense, self-determination, the right to be left alone, etc. Government's charge is to do that which people cannot do for themselves--such as common protection, roads, coining and such. Activities such as taking the citizens money and donating it to charity are illegitimate.
Really. And what is the position of the poor in this admirable system? What about class differences? Extremes of wealth and poverty? Unequal power relations? Panglossian optimism is incredibly out of place here!
Here we must agree to disagree. You value compassion--the giving of what your mind and efforts were unable to produce. I value the exact opposite, justice--keeping that which your mind and efforts produced. Perhaps, your error is in expecting life to be fair. Or, even worse, thinking government can create a measure of equality any other way than by making everyone poor.
And you're a shining example to the rest of us i suppose. Who built your house, made your clothes and shoes, grew the food that keeps you alive so you can spout these inane ideologies? Put you on a desert island and let's see how long you would survive, for all your individualism.
Get your head out of Atlas Shrugged and look at the way the world is really run. Things, and therefore the wealth they create, are produced as a result of collective effort not individual largesse.
"Socialism" Is it just coincidences? or Facts that Europe's continuing fall to Socialism has been followed by a massive Islamic immigration..So now a U.S. president with Islamic connection's and Islamic name, background is pushing for sociallism with an already growing Islamic population in the U.S. "Total Islamic Ideo...logy/Socialism take over".See More
"Socialism" Is it just coincidences? or Facts that Europe's continuing fall to Socialism has been followed by a massive Islamic immigration..So now a U.S. president with Islamic connection's and Islamic name, background is pushing for sociallism with an already growing Islamic population in the U.S. "Total Islamic Ideo...logy/Socialism take over".See More
The current Democratic Party leadership is tainted by corruption, and the liberals among us are supporting Socialists with their agendas based on implementing Fascist, Marxist and Communist political doctrines into our own government. These Socialists are clearly a threat to everything we hold sacred in America, and they are gaining evermore control over our Democratic Party, our Nation, and the American people.
LOL, in USA socialism is like a magic word for propaganda. Americans don't know very well what socialism is. It's very easy for someone to say "That's socialism" and everybody panics LOL. Fox news seems to me like some kind of propaganda machine.
Okay i give up! You americans sure are a fucking stupid people!! I don't mind anymore telling you that socialism and communism is not the fucking same thing! I live in Sweden and i know our system is far more better than your greedy fucked up system. Free healthcare, free education is good. Oh shit i have to pay more money to the government, in return they will give me free healthcare and education. Even University is free. You seriously think we are doing bad. Fox is just lying. Look it up plz!
@pablocoon We think everything is free? Is that why you guys are having an higher unemployment rate maybe? ;)
Our system works perfectly well since the people here in Sweden are not like the ones you guys in America apparently have. We do work because work gives us some benefits in life, great benefits!! And we aint lazy fat McDonalds eaters like you guys!
@baverfjant Could that be because you haven't been in a war in centuries, reduced the size of your welfare state (some of which was accomplished by privatizing goods and services?) Wow, wish we had people like that (We do, his name's Ron Paul.) and that work because you want to thing is bullshit (Look at the soviet bloc and the Americans Native reservations for historical examples.) Your country is doing better because it has a freer market, plain and simple.
Nothing is free you ignorant simpleton. Enjoy your 65% income tax for now- because at the rate Sweden is going in 40 years that income tax will be near 90% and everyones standard of living will decline. Then maybe you will have a revolution and revert back to the greatest system ever discovered of improving human living conditions- Capitalism.
@Hydra773 What rate? Can you tell me on what "rate" you base those numbers please? Our government is LOWERING taxes at the moment you "ignorant simpleton"! Our economy smacks yours to the ground at the moment, we barely have any debt unlike you ;) The life expectancy is still much higher, in fact, almost every welfare part is better in Sweden than USA! Suck on that boi.
You should look into your history for yourself... you will come to realize that over the last 100 years in your country your taxes have more than triple folded, and your liberties have been becoming more restricted. A middle school aged student could figure out what is going on... hopefully you can too.
@Hydra773 Oh yes in the last 100 years our taxes has increased indeed. But in the last 10 years they have decreased and i tend to care more about now than the past my friend :) "Our liberties have become more restricted", oh yeah!? Load of bullshit, if YOU look over the last 100 years in our country you will see that the Social democratic party brought us the right to vote, womens right to vote, paid vacation, free education, free health care, 1000 SEK child support per month and much more!!
@doonc00nslay3r Youre absolutely right but in return we get education and health care plus some other welfare stuff a lot more cheaper. I gladly pay my taxes because Swedes care about theire fellow people, and wants everyone to have an equal chance in life!
@baverfjant your system in sweden sucks big time ... how can you tell me that taxing someone 70-80 % of his/her income is good? this is nothing else but modern slavery.
@Radu1137 70-80%!? Man what the f**k have you been smoking? :D
If you have a lower income youre taxed 33%, if you have higher income your taxed 40-45%... If you have an unusually low income youre not taxed anything!! Get your facts right plz
@Radu1137 Sweden's (and Norway's) system is perhaps one of the best forms of social democracy in the world as it maintains both democratic freedom and social benefits for the entire population. It also ensures equality of wealth by spreading it amongst the population in the form of state benefits. How is this bad? It is not slavery, it is the way humanity should be governed.
@mixmac38 when you tax someone 50-60 or 70% from their income what you do is in fact enforce modern slavery ... it means that that someone works 5, 6 or 7 hrs out every 10 for the government. wealth should not be spread, it should be EARNED in the marketplace by each individual. the concept of equality of opportunity is OK and should be promoted. however, the concept of equality of wealth is disgusting ... how much does one beer cost in sweden? 15 usd? or is it just 12? :))
@Radu1137 First of all, in Sweden it is illegal to work more than 8 hours a day without being paid overtime (which is tax free by the way). Secondly the tax is only 26.5% to 35% depending on an individual's income. Lastly there are also differences between classes, however they are minor which prevents both poverty and plutocracy (unlike 3rd world countries such as America).
@mixmac38 26.5%-35% is only the income tax ... you must add to this all other taxes (so called social contributions) on labour paid both by the employer and the employee. you will get to what i told you ... over 60% in some cases over 70% of the total value generated by an employee will go to the government (and the governement will waste most of it on bureaucracy .... etc). why should it be illegal to work more 8 hrs per day? why is it ok to promote laiziness and irresponsibility?
@Radu1137 You could not be more wrong if you actually researched the topic you would find that taxation in Sweden is not that high. Also, to quote an article from The Guardian: " Swedes support the second-highest tax burden in the world - after Denmark's - with an average of 48.2 per cent of GDP going to taxes. Yet Sweden, along with equally high-taxing Denmark and Norway, tops almost every international barometer of successful societies."
@Radu1137 While i agree with your sentiment, Sweeden set up their system to avoid a Oligarch system. They believe money derived from labor should be taxed at a lower rate than money derived from interest on imvested capital (loaned money). America has the opposite view. We treat capital as supreme and tax it at a lower rate. In other words, the producers (mfg./svs.) subsidize the tax burden of bankers and Corporations. That's why we have high taxes and recieve minimal services.
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America: "HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius today announced the release of more than $2.6 billion to states to help low income citizens with their heating bills during October, November and December of this year."
you MORONS america is already socialist. Medicare, Education, helping of the handicapped. fucking idiots! how is obama going to become socialist if america is already socialist.
well while you are right you are also wrong. america is a great country because of the "mixed economy" we live in. If we were in a total capitalist country we would have more problems than what we have today. i love the fact that we are mostly capitalist and some socialist, I will tell anyone that even my dad who is the most conservative person i know. People are being RETARDED when they think we will be socialist over night. It just will not happen.
obamabots scare the hell out of me...... watch for the "citizen army" (of equal or greater strength than our military) amassing soon in a country near you!!!! fuckin commies : (
Socialism is not coming to America. 99.9% of Americans have never been to a socialist country under the Iron Curtain. I have lived in one. And I can tell you that Socialism is much worse than Government run healthcare. That's not socialism. Socialism is having to apply for the ability to own a car and waiting for 10 years until the government tells you what type of car you may own. This paranoia injected by Fox is a joke.
I am not anti US btw - opposite - but stupid thing about US is that 20% of your population live like they are living in a developing country (that's not the stupid part) and your government does little to help them as helping then, raising their living standards, giving them access to health care is seem as socialism which to Americans = communism = evil. Therefore helping poor people have a better life = evil. Stupid!!!!! In W Europe we try to raise the living standard of poorest more.
America was founded on the principle of individual liberty. That brought us the prosperity that elevated America from a Third World nation to the world's only superpower. Europe has always been the better place for those seeking to live as dependent children. But, we soon may be reduced to that.
Only a very, very uninformed person, or an ultra-elitist would support socialism over our representative republic. One would only need perform a small amout of research to find out that by American standards, life is miserable under a socialist government. A socialist health care plan would be disastrous for our elderly, what a scam and a shame!
Medi-Care has been a Ponzi scheme. Future generations now owe over $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities before they take their first breath. Good example of a government program!!!! Now, put that dynamic on steroids if Obama gets his way.
Ultra-elitist would support socialism? I'm not so sure that they would be willing to let their property and villas, cars, yachts, planes... being nationalized and expropriated.
Ultra-elitists always support fascism and that's where USA are.
@fiercehorse7 Gotta say that I laughed hard when I read this. First of all, most socialists has as their final goal to use socialism as the economic system worldwide. This would kill the class system, but personally, I believe that the most important thing about socialism is to use the abilities of every man and woman out there. In most capitalistic systems, including the USA, the one's with practical skills are wasted, and the one's with theoretical skills are praised. How is that fair?
@fiercehorse7 good idea sheep. listen to a joker like this with obvious stake in the status quo. don't change a thing, we're perfect the way we are.
talk about an uninformed elitist.....that's a bad combination of qualities that you appear to have yourself. how could you not realize the USA has been incorporating socialism for a very long time. purely socialist or purely capitalist systems don't exist.
go to a public library (socialism at work) and learn what you obviously don't yet know.
Life is miserable under a socialist system? Yep, I see that the Scandinavians are absolutely miserable! And, I also see the need to eliminate every single socialist program that already exists here in the U.S., including: public transportation, public education, and public libraries! These are all socialist institutions that MUST be eliminated!
@dotyrs typical over-reaction by the left. No one is saying that public services like you mentioned are not needed and desired. The point is, that the more government involvement there is in society, the less individual freedom there is. I don't want government deciding what is best for me and my family!
So, if you don't want government deciding what's best...what should society do if you should choose not to inoculate your children against infectious disease? What should society do if you chose not to educate your children? While I'm sure that you're a reasonable person...there are many more out there who are not. So, yes, we (as a society) must take charge! Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to the children...
@dotyrs Ok, ok, slow down. As I said before, government has its role. You are picking on the "obvious things" that government can do to hold society together to ensure that there are guidelines for health and education in place. For too long, we as a society have tolerated attacks from the left on social issues, overspending, and an outright hostility to businesses that are our real job engines. Government CAN'T and shouldn't be in the JOB creation business. Government should not get in the way!
@fiercehorse7 Hmmmm...so are you saying that the government SHOULD do some things....like educate our children, operate our airports, provide police and fire protection...but should do all this without creating jobs? I don't see how it's possible to staff a police department without employing people...so what are you trying to say?
@dotyrs Providing taxpayer services will of course create a certian number of jobs. The jobs that government can't create are the millions that are needed for all the people who enter the workforce after high school or college. A failed government attempt to create jobs in the private sector is there for all to see in the bloated stimulous that the democrats and obama jammed down our throats. A complete misguided attempt at government job creation that failed miserably!!
@fiercehorse7 Even in a "Socialist" system like the UK an individual can still opt out of public services like healthcare and education. There are many private medical centres and many schools offering private education. No one is being forced to take up government-paid services, but the important thing is that they are offered to those who cannot afford private services. I wouldn't want to live in a nation where one could get bankrupted because of a medical condition.
Socialism makes everyone equal...equally poor. In the USA you also have a right to fail if you choose to. There's more opportunity here than anyplace else in the world. If you quit school and hang out all night and sleep all day, you won't succeed...but if that's your choice, so be it. Just don't expect me to feed and clothe your irresponsible ass !
@61804shill socialism is equal rights fair pay! so you are saying that a black cant walk on the same road as white?! an english with an asian?! people should be classed?! no sir, i believe that fasists shouldnt take people's money and right!
@61804shill "you also have a right to fail if you choose to."
who chooses to fail?
I went to school.....college even....and earned a BA degree. I have not "succeeded".
one person's own experiences just revealed your ignorant comment as a lie and/or a very misinformed and uninformed statement. I'll leave it to you sheep to decide which it is.
Marxism is lazy, in no place in the world have so many people escaped poverty and oppression then in free market capitalism which was the United States of America
Oh and btw they say its free health care but guess where the money comes from? ur money! nothing is free, thats why they will tax the shit out of u! gas prices will get even more expensive they will tax u even more than they do now! and socialism is another way for the government to control everythin!
U guys have no idea the negative that comes with socialism! america u dont want it! im originally from germany and germany is a socialist country! when i was 5 i had to get my adenoids removed i was on the waiting list for 2 yrs! any surgery they put u on a waiting list! they take 49% out of our paychecks just cuz of the free health care plus gas prices in europe is outrages! u dont want it! please america dont do it! u will regret it!
WhatisRight2430 - I think we have BUSH to thanks for this life style we are going into because if he didnt bankrupt the world we wouldn't be in this mess.
If America is becoming socialisitc, then I (and some) should form or take a portion of the United States and create a TRUE non-interventionist society with liberty and ultra-free market capitalism is the center of the attention.
My plan: Take Las Vegas (Clark County, NV) to create a place of high values of liberty where the people and entreprenuers (esp. casinos) are free to expand with low taxes, small governemnt, low regulations,oh what a wonderful place!!
The best place in the world? Hundreds of casinos exploiting idiots and draining away all their money, some people becoming obscenely wealthy on the backs of others being paid less than a minimum wage? Ultra-capitalism only means ultra-exploitation. But as i say, i'd like to see it.
Who are you describing "exploiting idiots!??" People go there because they WANT to go there, but there are NOT FORCED to go!!
Without free markets and profits, the destination would not be as succesful and incredible!!
I mean come on.... at least the work is better than PUBLIC services!! Look at our trashy schools dominated by unions and big wasteful departments who dont go out of business when they fail and FORCE the kids!!
You Americans should be careful what you wish for you guys go like oh Socialism is our savior it will solve all our problems, but let me tell you i live all my life in a socialist democratic country if you can call that now it show more and more people that democracy is obsolete and easily to manipulate by the ruling class and keeps us in a choke hold by race laws that are just ridiculous there is no free speech here you just cant say what you want or you'll end up in jail
But interesting to note is that originally socialism is for the working class to rule politics so it can protect its interests but thats not the case it never was cause all those guys like Michael Moore and Obama or whoever in history that are for socialism are they working class? They don't give a shit about you "modern socialism" is about the 1st class holding back the middle and the working class
a lot of Americans don't know what "real" socialism is, even that line has been thinned here in Europe too like Fascism is a brand of socialism its not a name saying like now like Benito Mussolini he was a Socialist or a Fascist,
or Hitler he was no Fascist but a "Die hard" socialist
It's crazy y'all say its stealing from rich people because someone is too lazy to work for it themselves. It's crazy how ignorant some people can be. There's people out there that are making pennies that work 10 times harder than a lot of the wealthy people out there. It's sad that some people can't see that there's alot of hard working poor people in the world who just didnt get the opportunities the rich folks got. And if you're making that much money, be grateful, stop acting like a bitch
In a global economy, ANY high-end, purely capitalist society CANNOT compete against developing economies and countries that employ socialistic methods to educate and support their people. Our capitalists know damn well there is a huge cheap workforce across the oceans and they're increasingly making use of it. We workers simply cannot compete. We must explore alternatives or we will lose - badly.
to henrietta hughes...if obama won't even help his brother who lives in a shack in kenya or his aunt who lives in a housing project in boston and is facing deportation - if she hasn't been deported already - the little black woman stranger from the audience doesn't stand a shadow of a chance for obama's help.
listen to stuart varney. he is an englishman who's walked the walk. he is a financial expert who is warning us of obama policies. north korea is exploding nuclear bombs. impeach obama.
About 100 million people voted, out of that only 52% voted for Obama, God knows how many of that 52% were from ACORN. So, at the best he got 52 million votes out of 305 million, which means he only got 17% from all the idiots, now he wants to push this socialism on the country where it has failed everywhere else in the world? Really?? Mr. "president", really??? We shall do everything to stop him, or the US is finished!
I call out to my conservative brethren out there across America that we must stand up for what we believe is right, or the America as we know it will cease to exist. Cry out agains Obama. Protest Obama's every move. He wants to establish a socialist government and if we stand up to him and the fools on the hill(Pelosi, Reid, Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer) or we will have nothing left. All those who are against this message must be against America, and if not, explain to me how that isn't so.
Well, I guess if invading other nations for no apparent reason, and financially ruining the country are good things, then the Republicans must be a good party.
the America we once knew has been long gone...and getting worse..and it has little to do with Obama or Bush or Dem/Rep.....parties..it has more to do with the theft by the international bankers about 100 years ago and all the corrupt policy ever since...the socialism you speak about began under FDR, by the same men who pulled the strings to create the Fed. They also created the CFR. This has been behind most major policy decisions and if we cannot see the real enemy we are doomed.
5:35-5:41 " All levels of income are better off than they were in 1979 " Yeah, like fuck they were, Not relative to what you could buy from the bottom up in society
xmoroseguyx 9 months ago
Just when I thought right-wingers couldn't get any dumber or crazier, I saw this video.
(Facepalm)
MsSexySocialist 9 months ago
Oh look, Joseph McCarthy is back !!
777Atheist 9 months ago
Margaret Thatcher is no person to take example from. Stupid right wingers
stevenrhcp 9 months ago
@Rofistim US money is no longer backed by gold because of rapidly changes wages and values (&the great depression) -"full faith and credit clause".The reason, according to my economics textbook, that our dollar is worth something is because people are willing to accept it as a payment.And as a safeguard,our money will never get to inflated (worthless) because foreign banking industries (which back our federal reserve) would stop supplying credit -bond worth and banking investment for $.
xsumuhdihx 10 months ago
@Rofistim "even if America is a strong economy and no one benefits from it, then there is no point and America got no money." and your telling me i'm uneducated (and i'm not talking about the grammar).
xsumuhdihx 10 months ago
@Rofistim but even when we were in a recession our HDI was still higher than your country. i did check my numbers and they are very precise. (and no i didn't get them from fox i got them from FRED (federal reserve economics data online) our database that our school uses.)
xsumuhdihx 10 months ago
@Rofistim lol but as economics student, I know that your country has a worker satisfaction/Utils rate of 2.3 -one of the lowest in the world USA-~8.7 the highest in the world. The only thing keeping your country alive is government spending: I mean 50% of your debt is the multiplier and GDP in your country haha. lets see how salaries look in, oh say 25 to 30 years. not so good huh! BTW salaries are decrease by approx .5 to 1% percent a year in your country :D i love america!!!!!
xsumuhdihx 10 months ago
Barack Obama is not a Socialist. He's a center-right Capitalist.
intellaricovision 11 months ago
@mixmac38 my dad's boss left sweden b/c of the high tax rates.
xsumuhdihx 11 months ago
@94MCtryland "... they have free helthcare, free education..." then you contradicted yourself by saying "they just have to pay a little higher taxes because all these things cost money." My point? Nothing, really. It just bothers me when people say "free this" or "free that", even when they, like yourself, know that it's not really free.
oreosphat 1 year ago
heathcare can save tiny tim
tiny tim will die in the US
crogsvien 1 year ago
Ebenezer Scrooge could change so can the US
crogsvien 1 year ago
@94MCtryland Nothing is free.
oreosphat 1 year ago
LONG LIVE USSA! TO HELL WITH CONSERVATIVE FASCISTS! GO OBAMA!
libertyeagle777 1 year ago
@libertyeagle777 look into Ron Paul.
connorqb17 1 year ago
So in sweeden you believe someone should make all the decision for you...wow what a weak human slave...you people make me sick the working people should not pay for a majority of a country to sit on their ass (speaking of america there). But when you pay the government more money to get FREE anything is it really free? your just paying them not the people doing the service...makes me puke.
doonc00nslay3r 1 year ago
@doonc00nslay3r A fireman, policeman, nurse, doctor whatever gets a better salary in Sweden than in the US, suck on that :) We pay higher taxes indeed but it's not like you people think that we can barely live on it, we live our lives very happy and not at all near poverty! And also, they dont make all the decision for us -_- Unlike the US our government needs a lot of work before they can pass a law, not as much power as a prime minister as being a president in the USA! Look up our system plz!
baverfjant 1 year ago
@doonc00nslay3r Yet how do you explain that Sweden and the other high tax countries are some of the most successful? I'm no even making this up, there are statistics to back them up.
Also, in countries that provide healthcare and education for their people, it is never described as free. People know what they are paying for and it means everyone, no matter what their income, can rely on the state to provide them with the same essential rights. Unlike America, where the poor must suffer.
mixmac38 11 months ago
The demonization of coporations in favor of some mythical "communist/socialist utopia" will be the downfall of our nation. I dare say even you lefties would quickly see that it is a sick scam designed by clueless, sick individuals to benefit the very few social elites who put it in place! Class warfare is required at the start of a commie take over, there has to be "villans" for the masses to accept the lie. I can only hope that after November, the left will begin to fade into the scrapheap!!
fiercehorse7 1 year ago
politicians would rather protect capitalism knowing that it lead to the downfall of the economy. remember AIG,Fannie/Freddie Mac,Leihman Bros,Merrill Lynch, Countrywide,Bank of America,Citi bank, Morgan Stanley all of them recieved taxpayer bailout money. in return we get more job loses, pension, retirement, 401k, healthcare,josb get sent to other countrys to avoid higher taxes then they gave CEOs millions in bonuses.all those companies have lobbyist in washington trying to shape washington.
hellvelle24 1 year ago
@hellvelle24 exactly! but apparently these folks would rather give millions of their tax-payer dollars to a few CEO's of huge corporate banking firms than "feed and clothe" ordinary citizens that are too "irresponsible" to achieve a high enough level of "success" (as 61804shill puts it) to reap the benefits of corporate welfare.
after all, our tax money isn't there to benefit the masses, it's there to benefit a few very large corporations.
you selfish poor people expect us to feed you?
dunkafelic 1 year ago
Right on: "If you tax people who work, and you pay people who don't..." (2:50)
webmatros 1 year ago
Long live LibertyPen. Do not be surprised if the internet is attacked by the elite and the leftist. Because of the greatness of TRUTH tellers such as LibertyPen.
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
Whatever isms depend on whose running things . Leaders have been known to say one thing and do another , A democratic socialism could work very well . I think what ruins things is the corruptible effects of money and power in any system.
ekpil 1 year ago
What's the other American alternative? A theocracy of fundamentalist Christians (religious police anyone?), or a gung-ho, shoot-1st-ask later, make-me-richer-fuck-the-poor, obtuse and artery-clogging conservative old fashioned right wingers?
We know what that gave the world: Idiot G.W.Bush and nazi Cheney.
Obama might not be perfect, but the alternatives are far too frightening for this battered planet to contemplate.
AxleMunshine001 1 year ago 2
@AxleMunshine001 Right, like Medicare Part D and the Patriot Act are about freer markets or more personal rights. Not to mention president fuckup has increased the deficit more than all prior presidents (including hoover part 2) combined. This FDR part 2 is gonna finish us off. Breathe in reality. Communism doesn't work.
Rensune 8 months ago
The loss of capitalism is not the loss of freedom. Socialism allows the workers to keep more money by eliminating the Brad Pitts', the Bill Gates', and the extreme rich. People work better in groups, it is the human element. Capitalism focuses on primitive instinctual needs for self-preservation. Socialism is inevitable, truly it is. The mind evolves faster than the body, and in this society, more people are becoming educated and understanding the benefits of collectiveness.
solracselbor 1 year ago
@solracselbor Socialism is a great system for those who do not produce and seek to live as a dependent child. For those who produce, socialism is a form of slavery. That is, you are forced to work for the benefit of others. Capitalism is VOLUNTARY exchange. Socialism is COMPULSORY exchange. That is why capitalism IS economic liberty.
fzqlcs 1 year ago
@solracselbor
You would be a good politician because you make false claims. What would ACTUALLY happen if we lost capitalism and went to complete socialism would be a much higher degree of poverty stricken people in America. The only people who would work would be people who CHOOSE to work, and the rest would recieve wealth from the workers. Where in history has socialism worked?
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773
It's funny, you show the same traits of a politician yourself. None of your claims are just because the only logic you provide is inductive and based on historical context. Show me a study that suggests the unwillingness of people to comply in the absence of reciprocity. Search for a study that suggests people do not engage in group think. Show me a recent study of american goals that does not include happiness. Show me a study on happiness that does not include relatedness /w others
solracselbor 1 year ago
@solracselbor
Why do you think that the only way people will work together is with socialism? I will argue that people work together better with capitalism, where they are free to choose where they like to work, and people in businesses work together to provide goods and services to other people in exchange for money which they can spend on goods/services that they want. Just remember this you simpleton; Transactions is a free enterprise system do NOT occur unless both parties benefit.
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773
It is difficult to explain to you in 489 characters why socialism needs to be seriously considered. You have ingrained in your mind capitalisms perceived benefits and fail to observe its forced inequalities. People in business do not work together for goods and services like you say, they do so in order to conceive ways of profit by any means legal. Transaction reciprocity? Apparently you've never studied helpfulness. Read Einsteins take: google "Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein"
solracselbor 1 year ago
@solracselbor
Fair enough, I have researched some of Einstein's ideas on socialism before but never in great detail, I'll look into it. But you should look into the ideas of capitalism. I looked at one of your videos and saw some of the heart-wrenching statistics about world-wide poverty that I had seen before. One of the main reasons for the increased world hunger is because countries like ours have given away lots of free food to developing countries.
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773
The intentions of giving this food to these poor African countries were very good, but the results only created more hungry mouths to feed. The old chinese saying "You can give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, or you can teach a man to fish and he will eat for life." Really applied to the African population quadrupling in the last 25 years. Also- in most of the countries of poverty- they are ruled by despots who restrict free trade. just keep that in mind.
Hydra773 1 year ago
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. -Thomas Sowell
Hydra773 1 year ago
Fuck Obama!!
samspennell 1 year ago
Oh look, propaganda!
Tougemaster06 1 year ago
so when bush pumped money into medicare; where was the protest? hypocrites.
ahoyhoy79 1 year ago
@ahoyhoy79 There were Tea party rallies in 07 (look it up) Oh who was president ? Wait I'll give you the benifit of the doubt. They had no Publicity. That didn't happen until the necons started humping the tea parties leg. Here is one back to you. Why is the war now ok? Code pink is just going after bush and pals and not demanding the current president end the war as they did to bush. Tougemaster06 is 1/2 right Oh look propaganda.......spilling from both sides
jsh78mang 1 year ago
@jsh78mang who ever said the war was ok now?
anyway, pray tell, what was the teaparty movement about before the neocon hijacking?
ahoyhoy79 1 year ago
@ahoyhoy79 Code pink ETC. the only one with any balls is Cindy Sheehan. Don't see her on tv anymore tho wonder why ? She was on all the time when Repubs were running things not so much anymore. Code pink all over the last president this one sends more troops not a peep? Wonder why. We are still at war are we not? Before the hijacking . Almost the same things Small Gov. Fed clarity etc. without fox news and the neocon B.S.
jsh78mang 1 year ago
@jsh78mang & @EdikShepherd
i think i get what u guys mean. you guys stand for original republican values. am i right? well, coming from an australian anarcho-social background; all i can say is that i wish you guys werent tainted with the scourge of noeconservatism
ahoyhoy79 1 year ago
@ahoyhoy79 They've leg humped us almost to the bone. Still trying to sort through the B.S. but alot of us are on the right path.
jsh78mang 1 year ago
When this nation was founded, we set regulations that were suppose to completely limit the government's power because we knew they would do the wrong thing and screw us. And here we are, going COMPLETELY against are previous hopes and dreams.
EdikShepherd 1 year ago
@EdikShepherd screw you over? so funding israel isnt screwin you over? $1trill spent on war isnt screwing you over. BUT TAKE THIS U SUNNOVA BEETCH! YOURE GONNA HAVE THIS MEDICINE AND GET WELL AND HOPEFULLY LIVE LONGER WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! HA U LIKE THAT? U LIKE THAT?
screw you over? just say it, some ppl are too selfish to help others in society; you know the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be healthy, screw em, the homeless, screw em! DOLLAR DOLLAR BILL Y'ALL!
ahoyhoy79 1 year ago
@ahoyhoy79
You're totally right, there ARE people who are too selfish to help others in society, and now that you're forcing them to do it, guess what? Everyone one else is going to have to pay A LOT MORE because of these greedy people not wanting to give away money. You know what that means? It means less people are going to be able to afford it than before, so the only thing your doing is making less people have health care... or at least increasing our percentage of people without jobs.
EdikShepherd 1 year ago
Socialism doesn't work in sweden? That dude has been living under a rock XD
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
There's no socialism in Sweden, for crying out loud.
Socialism was/is in USSR, Cuba,Vietnam,Yugoslavia...
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
No m8 that is COMMUNISM... go to Wikipedia :p
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
No mate, impossible, as communism does not approve state.
You're mixing welfare state with socialist ones.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
No m8, Cuba is communist, they have a leader to guide them on their way to the end of history... sweden has some rules that apply to socialism, but teh country itself isn't ;) taht was wat I ment.
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
Dude, do you know what communism is? Communism is stateless and classes society. There's no Fidel to boss you around or some capitalist boss, only your fellow coworkers, comrades or whatever you like. You go to the store and take whatever you like for free. Yet you must contribute with something for society. I don't see such system in Cuba, I only see failed State socialism there. In true socialism proletarians control means of production.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
Again Sweden is a welfare country. All welfare countries have some socialist elements, yet they are not socialist. They are still capitalist.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
Yes indeed. But to reach that state in a society a strong leader is set to guide his people there, untill he is no longer needed... So in other words... Cuba is ( was ) trying to become a communist country by assigning a leader untill he was no longer needed and everything would go by itself... ofc this will never happen >.o
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
Cuba wasn't trying to be Communist but Fair and Just to the people the World Over. The Jewnited Snakes and Spain had Privitized Cuba's Land, mainly the Sugar Plantations which were an enormous Prophet to the Robbers, and Fidel as with Vietnam Ho Chi Minh who were the Victims of the same system of Exploitation by the U.S & France saw Socialism not Marxism as a way of equal distribution of the Country's Wealth. That is the essence of the War in Vietnam and the "Bay of Pigs" war against Cuba.
tellpipe11 2 years ago
Then why was Fidel Castro the leader of the Partido Comunista de Cuba ( Communist Party of Cuba )? He was trying to reach communism m8... ofc he ended up as a dictator... ^^.
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
Cuba doesn't have a "Failed State Socialist Policy" but is the Victim of a U.S. Blockade that won't allow countries to trade with Cuba because they weren't allowed to Murder Fidel Castro or execute a successful Coup against the Legal Cuban Government. Fidel's system of Government is Socialist as with Vietnam. They wanted Socialism because there Resources were being exploited by the "Colonial Powers" Cuba-U.S. and Spain, Vietnam-U.S.-France. They wanted "Freedom" that's why there catchin Hell.
tellpipe11 2 years ago
There liars. They know that Americans are Domicile and most had never been out of the country besides "Spring Break" or something of that manner and they were so drunk and high they didn't and still don't know what the Hell is really going on or how they're getting screwed by the Government that's been telling to "Love it or Leave it", never CHANGE IT! They say Socialism doesn't work, but does Capitalism? Are people losing there homes here by the thousands dialy? Dying cause no H.insurance.
tellpipe11 2 years ago
I never said capitalism works and ill never say it does... Like I said before the communist party of cuba is in that country and rules it... so wth are you on about? A communist party that isn't trying to reach communism? dhrr...? It is true that americans are dumb but I am not one myself and what does this have to do with them? I am just stating cuba is trying to reach communism...?
Nibinhilion 2 years ago
@Nibinhilion Is functionalism a type of socialism?? If so, I want 'That Socialism".
Bronzecop 1 year ago
@Bronzecop It is hard to define what is socialism and what is not. I don't think you should want "that socialism"... I think you need the rules that are best for your country. Defining it in classes like that will only get people crying.
Nibinhilion 1 year ago
@Nibinhilion Whatever I want functionalism or sociocracy or something that fits in those 2 categories as well. Facism works, but we gotta be really careful to put who in charge.
Bronzecop 1 year ago
socialists make me sick, there system is such a failure while capitalism is most likely the best economic system yet
Redbatray 2 years ago
Fail. Obviously there is a difference between Soviet totalitarianism, Keynesian economics and "socialism" per se. They're not all the same thing at all. People who argue against socialism are usually just terrified of the idea of human equality, and long for a hierarchical society run by rich people.
And.... what does Hitler have to do with socialism?
dadaphone 2 years ago
Nazi Germany was a socialist country, just as Mao's China and Stalin's Russia, Socialism is a great system for those who seek to live as dependent children at the expense of their fellow man. It is not so good for those who revere individual liberty.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
All of that is incorrect. The fact is that we ARE all dependent on each other. It is impossible to calculate each person's contribution to the total wealth, which is always collectively produced. It is the rich who are living at the expense of their fellow men. And i maintain that individual liberty is incompatible with capitalism!
dadaphone 2 years ago
Capitalism is incompatible with individual liberty? Are you nuts? It is the only system that is. It is the system in which INDIVIDUALS are free become successful by using the power of their minds. It is a moral system in which one must serve their fellow man with products or services so valuable, others voluntarily trade their money. Each of us, unless we are criminals, is paid in accord our value. Money is an individual's virtue. The rich are simply more virtuous than those who produce nothing.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
Oh dear. Someone who has read Ayn Rand or something and is completely blind to the way our economic system really works. That is the crassest rationalization for greed and selfishness i have read in a long time.
dadaphone 2 years ago
And these virtuous rich people of whom you speak.. I've never seen one. All i see are exploiters of other people's labour.
That is how profits are made, that is how wealth is accumulated!
dadaphone 2 years ago
Spoken like someone who produces nothing. Spoken like a willing slave. Obviously, you are not in business. thank goodness. If so, you would know that profits do not drive business. The ability to meet your fellow man's needs and desires does. Profit is simply the reward for having done this. Loss signals that you failed. Consumers always win. You must be exploited as an employee, but why? If you cannot find another job, it is because you do not present a recognized value. Just get more skills.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
Man that is all just THEORY. In the real world, corporations have more money and power than governments. We're not in the era of little mom and pop stores anymore. Profits are just receipts minus costs, the unpaid labour of the workers who actually produce the goods! That is why PROPERTY IS THEFT as Proudhon said!
dadaphone 2 years ago
You are welcome to choose the successful as your sworn enemy, if you find that psychologically satisfying. That is the beauty of freedom. But do not hide from this truth: Corporations cannot take your liberty. Only governments can. No history book will tell you otherwise.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
Let me ask you an honest question: what exactly is the nature of this freedom and liberty that you seem to think you posess?
Yes i do think that success means something other than money, yes i do think that freedom means something other than exploiting people for profit.
dadaphone 2 years ago
Liberty is the natural state of mankind that preceded government---the right to use the power of your mind as a means of survival and advancement. American government was established to protect these liberties--speech, self-defense, self-determination, the right to be left alone, etc. Government's charge is to do that which people cannot do for themselves--such as common protection, roads, coining and such. Activities such as taking the citizens money and donating it to charity are illegitimate.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
Really. And what is the position of the poor in this admirable system? What about class differences? Extremes of wealth and poverty? Unequal power relations? Panglossian optimism is incredibly out of place here!
dadaphone 2 years ago
Here we must agree to disagree. You value compassion--the giving of what your mind and efforts were unable to produce. I value the exact opposite, justice--keeping that which your mind and efforts produced. Perhaps, your error is in expecting life to be fair. Or, even worse, thinking government can create a measure of equality any other way than by making everyone poor.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
And you're a shining example to the rest of us i suppose. Who built your house, made your clothes and shoes, grew the food that keeps you alive so you can spout these inane ideologies? Put you on a desert island and let's see how long you would survive, for all your individualism.
dadaphone 2 years ago
Get your head out of Atlas Shrugged and look at the way the world is really run. Things, and therefore the wealth they create, are produced as a result of collective effort not individual largesse.
dadaphone 2 years ago
how can you get more skills when you dont have enough money , to get more skills and a job
alexandrepato123 2 years ago
you mean individual GREED?
alexandrepato123 2 years ago
"Socialism" Is it just coincidences? or Facts that Europe's continuing fall to Socialism has been followed by a massive Islamic immigration..So now a U.S. president with Islamic connection's and Islamic name, background is pushing for sociallism with an already growing Islamic population in the U.S. "Total Islamic Ideo...logy/Socialism take over".See More
PatrioticRebel77 2 years ago
"Socialism" Is it just coincidences? or Facts that Europe's continuing fall to Socialism has been followed by a massive Islamic immigration..So now a U.S. president with Islamic connection's and Islamic name, background is pushing for sociallism with an already growing Islamic population in the U.S. "Total Islamic Ideo...logy/Socialism take over".See More
PatrioticRebel77 2 years ago
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The current Democratic Party leadership is tainted by corruption, and the liberals among us are supporting Socialists with their agendas based on implementing Fascist, Marxist and Communist political doctrines into our own government. These Socialists are clearly a threat to everything we hold sacred in America, and they are gaining evermore control over our Democratic Party, our Nation, and the American people.
geofiles 2 years ago
LOL, in USA socialism is like a magic word for propaganda. Americans don't know very well what socialism is. It's very easy for someone to say "That's socialism" and everybody panics LOL. Fox news seems to me like some kind of propaganda machine.
ShwangShwing 2 years ago
Okay i give up! You americans sure are a fucking stupid people!! I don't mind anymore telling you that socialism and communism is not the fucking same thing! I live in Sweden and i know our system is far more better than your greedy fucked up system. Free healthcare, free education is good. Oh shit i have to pay more money to the government, in return they will give me free healthcare and education. Even University is free. You seriously think we are doing bad. Fox is just lying. Look it up plz!
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@baverfjant Fuck Sweden, Ya you idiots think everything is free, that's the whole point dummy.
"the state is the great fiction by which everybody tries to live at the expense of everybody else."
It will catch up to Sweden to, in fact it has already begun to. So kiss my skinny american ass you twatt.
-Frederic Bastiat
pablocoon 1 year ago
@pablocoon We think everything is free? Is that why you guys are having an higher unemployment rate maybe? ;)
Our system works perfectly well since the people here in Sweden are not like the ones you guys in America apparently have. We do work because work gives us some benefits in life, great benefits!! And we aint lazy fat McDonalds eaters like you guys!
baverfjant 1 year ago 2
@baverfjant Could that be because you haven't been in a war in centuries, reduced the size of your welfare state (some of which was accomplished by privatizing goods and services?) Wow, wish we had people like that (We do, his name's Ron Paul.) and that work because you want to thing is bullshit (Look at the soviet bloc and the Americans Native reservations for historical examples.) Your country is doing better because it has a freer market, plain and simple.
Rensune 8 months ago
@baverfjant do you know your father ?
paunocu666 2 weeks ago
@paunocu666 What do you mean? I know my dad, yes.
baverfjant 2 weeks ago
@baverfjant
Nothing is free you ignorant simpleton. Enjoy your 65% income tax for now- because at the rate Sweden is going in 40 years that income tax will be near 90% and everyones standard of living will decline. Then maybe you will have a revolution and revert back to the greatest system ever discovered of improving human living conditions- Capitalism.
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773 What rate? Can you tell me on what "rate" you base those numbers please? Our government is LOWERING taxes at the moment you "ignorant simpleton"! Our economy smacks yours to the ground at the moment, we barely have any debt unlike you ;) The life expectancy is still much higher, in fact, almost every welfare part is better in Sweden than USA! Suck on that boi.
baverfjant 1 year ago
@baverfjant
You should look into your history for yourself... you will come to realize that over the last 100 years in your country your taxes have more than triple folded, and your liberties have been becoming more restricted. A middle school aged student could figure out what is going on... hopefully you can too.
Hydra773 1 year ago
@Hydra773 Oh yes in the last 100 years our taxes has increased indeed. But in the last 10 years they have decreased and i tend to care more about now than the past my friend :) "Our liberties have become more restricted", oh yeah!? Load of bullshit, if YOU look over the last 100 years in our country you will see that the Social democratic party brought us the right to vote, womens right to vote, paid vacation, free education, free health care, 1000 SEK child support per month and much more!!
baverfjant 1 year ago
@baverfjant If your giving the gov more money its not free!
doonc00nslay3r 1 year ago
@doonc00nslay3r Youre absolutely right but in return we get education and health care plus some other welfare stuff a lot more cheaper. I gladly pay my taxes because Swedes care about theire fellow people, and wants everyone to have an equal chance in life!
baverfjant 1 year ago
@baverfjant your system in sweden sucks big time ... how can you tell me that taxing someone 70-80 % of his/her income is good? this is nothing else but modern slavery.
Radu1137 1 year ago
@Radu1137 70-80%!? Man what the f**k have you been smoking? :D
If you have a lower income youre taxed 33%, if you have higher income your taxed 40-45%... If you have an unusually low income youre not taxed anything!! Get your facts right plz
baverfjant 1 year ago
@Radu1137 Sweden's (and Norway's) system is perhaps one of the best forms of social democracy in the world as it maintains both democratic freedom and social benefits for the entire population. It also ensures equality of wealth by spreading it amongst the population in the form of state benefits. How is this bad? It is not slavery, it is the way humanity should be governed.
mixmac38 11 months ago
@mixmac38 when you tax someone 50-60 or 70% from their income what you do is in fact enforce modern slavery ... it means that that someone works 5, 6 or 7 hrs out every 10 for the government. wealth should not be spread, it should be EARNED in the marketplace by each individual. the concept of equality of opportunity is OK and should be promoted. however, the concept of equality of wealth is disgusting ... how much does one beer cost in sweden? 15 usd? or is it just 12? :))
Radu1137 11 months ago
@Radu1137 First of all, in Sweden it is illegal to work more than 8 hours a day without being paid overtime (which is tax free by the way). Secondly the tax is only 26.5% to 35% depending on an individual's income. Lastly there are also differences between classes, however they are minor which prevents both poverty and plutocracy (unlike 3rd world countries such as America).
mixmac38 11 months ago
@mixmac38 26.5%-35% is only the income tax ... you must add to this all other taxes (so called social contributions) on labour paid both by the employer and the employee. you will get to what i told you ... over 60% in some cases over 70% of the total value generated by an employee will go to the government (and the governement will waste most of it on bureaucracy .... etc). why should it be illegal to work more 8 hrs per day? why is it ok to promote laiziness and irresponsibility?
Radu1137 11 months ago
@Radu1137 You could not be more wrong if you actually researched the topic you would find that taxation in Sweden is not that high. Also, to quote an article from The Guardian: " Swedes support the second-highest tax burden in the world - after Denmark's - with an average of 48.2 per cent of GDP going to taxes. Yet Sweden, along with equally high-taxing Denmark and Norway, tops almost every international barometer of successful societies."
mixmac38 11 months ago
@Radu1137 While i agree with your sentiment, Sweeden set up their system to avoid a Oligarch system. They believe money derived from labor should be taxed at a lower rate than money derived from interest on imvested capital (loaned money). America has the opposite view. We treat capital as supreme and tax it at a lower rate. In other words, the producers (mfg./svs.) subsidize the tax burden of bankers and Corporations. That's why we have high taxes and recieve minimal services.
bandclinens 11 months ago
Welcome to the United Socialist States of America: "HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius today announced the release of more than $2.6 billion to states to help low income citizens with their heating bills during October, November and December of this year."
nayjayjee 2 years ago
funny how Obama doesnt spread his wealth around, he only wants others to.
ntn1987 2 years ago
you MORONS america is already socialist. Medicare, Education, helping of the handicapped. fucking idiots! how is obama going to become socialist if america is already socialist.
MVP15420 2 years ago
I agree we have been on the move to socialism for a while now, its just getting worse
rast123456789 2 years ago
well while you are right you are also wrong. america is a great country because of the "mixed economy" we live in. If we were in a total capitalist country we would have more problems than what we have today. i love the fact that we are mostly capitalist and some socialist, I will tell anyone that even my dad who is the most conservative person i know. People are being RETARDED when they think we will be socialist over night. It just will not happen.
worknlikeadog 2 years ago
you mean better
alexandrepato123 2 years ago
obamabots scare the hell out of me...... watch for the "citizen army" (of equal or greater strength than our military) amassing soon in a country near you!!!! fuckin commies : (
dcarterfrom07 2 years ago
Socialism is not coming to America. 99.9% of Americans have never been to a socialist country under the Iron Curtain. I have lived in one. And I can tell you that Socialism is much worse than Government run healthcare. That's not socialism. Socialism is having to apply for the ability to own a car and waiting for 10 years until the government tells you what type of car you may own. This paranoia injected by Fox is a joke.
suspendmeassholes 2 years ago
I am not anti US btw - opposite - but stupid thing about US is that 20% of your population live like they are living in a developing country (that's not the stupid part) and your government does little to help them as helping then, raising their living standards, giving them access to health care is seem as socialism which to Americans = communism = evil. Therefore helping poor people have a better life = evil. Stupid!!!!! In W Europe we try to raise the living standard of poorest more.
dunc87654321 2 years ago
America was founded on the principle of individual liberty. That brought us the prosperity that elevated America from a Third World nation to the world's only superpower. Europe has always been the better place for those seeking to live as dependent children. But, we soon may be reduced to that.
fzqlcs 2 years ago 2
Only a very, very uninformed person, or an ultra-elitist would support socialism over our representative republic. One would only need perform a small amout of research to find out that by American standards, life is miserable under a socialist government. A socialist health care plan would be disastrous for our elderly, what a scam and a shame!
fiercehorse7 2 years ago 7
You do know that the elderly in this country are covered by medicare right? Its a medical plan run by the government.
BoneCrusherG1D 2 years ago
Medi-Care has been a Ponzi scheme. Future generations now owe over $36 trillion in unfunded liabilities before they take their first breath. Good example of a government program!!!! Now, put that dynamic on steroids if Obama gets his way.
fzqlcs 2 years ago 2
Ultra-elitist would support socialism? I'm not so sure that they would be willing to let their property and villas, cars, yachts, planes... being nationalized and expropriated.
Ultra-elitists always support fascism and that's where USA are.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
@fiercehorse7 Gotta say that I laughed hard when I read this. First of all, most socialists has as their final goal to use socialism as the economic system worldwide. This would kill the class system, but personally, I believe that the most important thing about socialism is to use the abilities of every man and woman out there. In most capitalistic systems, including the USA, the one's with practical skills are wasted, and the one's with theoretical skills are praised. How is that fair?
EatMyBible 1 year ago
@fiercehorse7 good idea sheep. listen to a joker like this with obvious stake in the status quo. don't change a thing, we're perfect the way we are.
talk about an uninformed elitist.....that's a bad combination of qualities that you appear to have yourself. how could you not realize the USA has been incorporating socialism for a very long time. purely socialist or purely capitalist systems don't exist.
go to a public library (socialism at work) and learn what you obviously don't yet know.
dunkafelic 1 year ago
Life is miserable under a socialist system? Yep, I see that the Scandinavians are absolutely miserable! And, I also see the need to eliminate every single socialist program that already exists here in the U.S., including: public transportation, public education, and public libraries! These are all socialist institutions that MUST be eliminated!
dotyrs 1 year ago
@dotyrs typical over-reaction by the left. No one is saying that public services like you mentioned are not needed and desired. The point is, that the more government involvement there is in society, the less individual freedom there is. I don't want government deciding what is best for me and my family!
fiercehorse7 1 year ago
So, if you don't want government deciding what's best...what should society do if you should choose not to inoculate your children against infectious disease? What should society do if you chose not to educate your children? While I'm sure that you're a reasonable person...there are many more out there who are not. So, yes, we (as a society) must take charge! Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to the children...
dotyrs 1 year ago
@dotyrs Ok, ok, slow down. As I said before, government has its role. You are picking on the "obvious things" that government can do to hold society together to ensure that there are guidelines for health and education in place. For too long, we as a society have tolerated attacks from the left on social issues, overspending, and an outright hostility to businesses that are our real job engines. Government CAN'T and shouldn't be in the JOB creation business. Government should not get in the way!
fiercehorse7 1 year ago
@fiercehorse7 Hmmmm...so are you saying that the government SHOULD do some things....like educate our children, operate our airports, provide police and fire protection...but should do all this without creating jobs? I don't see how it's possible to staff a police department without employing people...so what are you trying to say?
dotyrs 1 year ago
@dotyrs Providing taxpayer services will of course create a certian number of jobs. The jobs that government can't create are the millions that are needed for all the people who enter the workforce after high school or college. A failed government attempt to create jobs in the private sector is there for all to see in the bloated stimulous that the democrats and obama jammed down our throats. A complete misguided attempt at government job creation that failed miserably!!
fiercehorse7 1 year ago
@fiercehorse7 Even in a "Socialist" system like the UK an individual can still opt out of public services like healthcare and education. There are many private medical centres and many schools offering private education. No one is being forced to take up government-paid services, but the important thing is that they are offered to those who cannot afford private services. I wouldn't want to live in a nation where one could get bankrupted because of a medical condition.
mixmac38 11 months ago
@fiercehorse7 By American standards, of course, because people like you are afraid of everything, including paying taxes.
MaoiMeowi2 1 year ago
Socialism makes everyone equal...equally poor. In the USA you also have a right to fail if you choose to. There's more opportunity here than anyplace else in the world. If you quit school and hang out all night and sleep all day, you won't succeed...but if that's your choice, so be it. Just don't expect me to feed and clothe your irresponsible ass !
61804shill 2 years ago 8
@61804shill socialism is equal rights fair pay! so you are saying that a black cant walk on the same road as white?! an english with an asian?! people should be classed?! no sir, i believe that fasists shouldnt take people's money and right!
TheGhd15 1 year ago
@61804shill "you also have a right to fail if you choose to."
who chooses to fail?
I went to school.....college even....and earned a BA degree. I have not "succeeded".
one person's own experiences just revealed your ignorant comment as a lie and/or a very misinformed and uninformed statement. I'll leave it to you sheep to decide which it is.
dunkafelic 1 year ago
Morons...
masterbeef00 2 years ago
In Europe with a public health care system we live longer and better. It's a fact.
Thanks god was born on the right side of the ocean. That it would be perfect without the american military bases.
jacoparch 2 years ago
Glad you are on that side of the ocean too! America has plenty of leeches already.
fzqlcs 2 years ago 5
marx rules!
stagesix6 2 years ago
Marxism is lazy, in no place in the world have so many people escaped poverty and oppression then in free market capitalism which was the United States of America
Daniel44125 2 years ago 6
ha, the american goverment introduced crack cocaine into the black communities in the 1990's, they went from physical slavery to mental
alexandrepato123 2 years ago
Exactly, and why would people even listen to these Devils. "If they won't "Treat" you Right they won't "Teach" you Right"!
tellpipe11 2 years ago
Oh and btw they say its free health care but guess where the money comes from? ur money! nothing is free, thats why they will tax the shit out of u! gas prices will get even more expensive they will tax u even more than they do now! and socialism is another way for the government to control everythin!
WhatisRight2430 2 years ago 3
U guys have no idea the negative that comes with socialism! america u dont want it! im originally from germany and germany is a socialist country! when i was 5 i had to get my adenoids removed i was on the waiting list for 2 yrs! any surgery they put u on a waiting list! they take 49% out of our paychecks just cuz of the free health care plus gas prices in europe is outrages! u dont want it! please america dont do it! u will regret it!
WhatisRight2430 2 years ago 4
WhatisRight2430 - I think we have BUSH to thanks for this life style we are going into because if he didnt bankrupt the world we wouldn't be in this mess.
MsCuriousCat 2 years ago
Watch Youtube videos: The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
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wethepeopleUSA2012 2 years ago 4
Your little video blows.
howard1474 2 years ago
Socialism FTW!!!
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago 4
If America is becoming socialisitc, then I (and some) should form or take a portion of the United States and create a TRUE non-interventionist society with liberty and ultra-free market capitalism is the center of the attention.
My plan: Take Las Vegas (Clark County, NV) to create a place of high values of liberty where the people and entreprenuers (esp. casinos) are free to expand with low taxes, small governemnt, low regulations,oh what a wonderful place!!
Anyone want to help!!!
Cyrus992 2 years ago 5
I'd really like to see that. I think it would be the most hellish place on earth,
dadaphone 2 years ago
dadaphone:
Are you saying that Las Vegas becoming ultra-capitalistic will be the hellish place on Earth? THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE!!!
Las Vegas will be the best darn place in the world with profit and success!! How can you say that???
Cyrus992 2 years ago
The best place in the world? Hundreds of casinos exploiting idiots and draining away all their money, some people becoming obscenely wealthy on the backs of others being paid less than a minimum wage? Ultra-capitalism only means ultra-exploitation. But as i say, i'd like to see it.
dadaphone 2 years ago
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Cyrus992 2 years ago
dadaphone:
Who are you describing "exploiting idiots!??" People go there because they WANT to go there, but there are NOT FORCED to go!!
Without free markets and profits, the destination would not be as succesful and incredible!!
I mean come on.... at least the work is better than PUBLIC services!! Look at our trashy schools dominated by unions and big wasteful departments who dont go out of business when they fail and FORCE the kids!!
Cyrus992 2 years ago
freedom works.
adammcg2 2 years ago 4
Bottom line, Capitalism is best. No question.
flightstudios 2 years ago 6
Capitalism is best , with affordable healthcare for everyone
zefir00 2 years ago
How's that hope and change working for all you liberal nut jobs? Suckers!
aSingleDallasGuy 2 years ago 6
You Americans should be careful what you wish for you guys go like oh Socialism is our savior it will solve all our problems, but let me tell you i live all my life in a socialist democratic country if you can call that now it show more and more people that democracy is obsolete and easily to manipulate by the ruling class and keeps us in a choke hold by race laws that are just ridiculous there is no free speech here you just cant say what you want or you'll end up in jail
PyramidHead17 2 years ago 3
But interesting to note is that originally socialism is for the working class to rule politics so it can protect its interests but thats not the case it never was cause all those guys like Michael Moore and Obama or whoever in history that are for socialism are they working class? They don't give a shit about you "modern socialism" is about the 1st class holding back the middle and the working class
PyramidHead17 2 years ago 3
a lot of Americans don't know what "real" socialism is, even that line has been thinned here in Europe too like Fascism is a brand of socialism its not a name saying like now like Benito Mussolini he was a Socialist or a Fascist,
or Hitler he was no Fascist but a "Die hard" socialist
- Godwin's law is in effect
PyramidHead17 2 years ago 3
It's crazy y'all say its stealing from rich people because someone is too lazy to work for it themselves. It's crazy how ignorant some people can be. There's people out there that are making pennies that work 10 times harder than a lot of the wealthy people out there. It's sad that some people can't see that there's alot of hard working poor people in the world who just didnt get the opportunities the rich folks got. And if you're making that much money, be grateful, stop acting like a bitch
kasemunny 2 years ago
If it's a guarantee of opportunities you're seeking, capitalism is the way to go. If it's a guarantee of outcomes, socialism is for you.
Cedtoron 2 years ago 2
In a global economy, ANY high-end, purely capitalist society CANNOT compete against developing economies and countries that employ socialistic methods to educate and support their people. Our capitalists know damn well there is a huge cheap workforce across the oceans and they're increasingly making use of it. We workers simply cannot compete. We must explore alternatives or we will lose - badly.
NikAbbot 2 years ago
to henrietta hughes...if obama won't even help his brother who lives in a shack in kenya or his aunt who lives in a housing project in boston and is facing deportation - if she hasn't been deported already - the little black woman stranger from the audience doesn't stand a shadow of a chance for obama's help.
listen to stuart varney. he is an englishman who's walked the walk. he is a financial expert who is warning us of obama policies. north korea is exploding nuclear bombs. impeach obama.
dale1966gto 2 years ago
Is this Africa?
croemar 2 years ago
Is now! The Communist United States of Africa.
maldos22 2 years ago
good video
flyinghotwing 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
About 100 million people voted, out of that only 52% voted for Obama, God knows how many of that 52% were from ACORN. So, at the best he got 52 million votes out of 305 million, which means he only got 17% from all the idiots, now he wants to push this socialism on the country where it has failed everywhere else in the world? Really?? Mr. "president", really??? We shall do everything to stop him, or the US is finished!
moderndesignworks 2 years ago
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moderndesignworks 2 years ago
I call out to my conservative brethren out there across America that we must stand up for what we believe is right, or the America as we know it will cease to exist. Cry out agains Obama. Protest Obama's every move. He wants to establish a socialist government and if we stand up to him and the fools on the hill(Pelosi, Reid, Barbara Boxer and Chuck Schumer) or we will have nothing left. All those who are against this message must be against America, and if not, explain to me how that isn't so.
177618532008 2 years ago 3
Well, I guess if invading other nations for no apparent reason, and financially ruining the country are good things, then the Republicans must be a good party.
rob66679 2 years ago
the America we once knew has been long gone...and getting worse..and it has little to do with Obama or Bush or Dem/Rep.....parties..it has more to do with the theft by the international bankers about 100 years ago and all the corrupt policy ever since...the socialism you speak about began under FDR, by the same men who pulled the strings to create the Fed. They also created the CFR. This has been behind most major policy decisions and if we cannot see the real enemy we are doomed.
flyinghotwing 2 years ago