Paying people for donating blood, bone marrow or organs seems to A) set a dangerous precedent and B) has already been shown to have flaws. When most blood banks paid for donations, there were large numbers of IV drug users and other unsuitable donors who came in to donate just for the money. If you pay only for those able to donate, people will lie about their suitability. Granted, bone marrow testing has much more testing done up front, but still seems to fall prey to bad stuff.
@wafelsen If the blood/marrow/organ supply is sufficient at the time then there is no reason to pay anyone, but it may be useful to have the option to offer payments in a circumstance of extreme shortage, if the cost of the extra screening is worth it compared to the amount of usable blood you gain. Also, if private citizens want to pay for an organ or something that's already verified to be suitable, I don't see why not.
I like how you miss out the obvious reasoning behind banning the "compensation" of bonemarrow transplants, the fact the guy on the other end can go "you pay me extortionate amounts of money or die".
You said: the guy on the other end can go "you pay me extortionate amounts of money or die".
If the "donor" is going to have an attitude like that, s/he wouldn't be giving it away free anyway. So, in order to punish the greedy nature of the donor, you would say that we should sacrifice the life of the dying person who might prefer to pay an exorbitant price to some jerk if it would save his/her own life. Get out of the way of saving lives!
Actually i am of the mind that anyone healthy should by my ethical standard be willing to help others with transplants, i am, hell, if i found out some stranger needed my bone marrow i wouldnt sell it to them, i would go though the hell to give it to them for free, what is required is a massive government education system, not money grubbing (least in europe thats how we go about it).
Get out the way of saving lives? Americans, never listen to those who have better systems
@MitchofSmeg You aren't paying one guy - you are paying one of a large group of people that are doing this. Just as when you go to the grocery store, no one says "pay me exorbitant amounts of money or die from hunger". And the doctors/hospitals already get paid for doing the surgeries, and they don't do this either. Maybe you want to take down your straw man and put up a reasonable argument now?
Actually, if you look at history, whenever there is a shortage on food, you will find that rates for food double, triple, quadruple and so on, lol (in other words yes, you do see them do that and most the time when this happens the government has to step in to protect the people)
How is it a strawman? It is a legitimate claim and just because you have no argument against it doesnt make it wrong.
@MitchofSmeg That happens with a shortage of anything. In fact, that's the very definition of shortage. And as a result of higher prices, people scramble to "get a piece of the action" and provide more supply to do so. Thus, things normalize rather quickly, and prolonged shortages are rare.
And it is a strawman because, as shown, it presumes an occurrence that does not happen with other survival necessities on the market. As this does not happen, it makes no sense to presume it will here.
It does happen you retard it has been shown to happen at least 30 times in the last 100 years alone i mean hell, if you are unwilling to look at the facts well.
Oh, and you said "happens with a shortage of anything", when it comes to bonemarrow, the biological chance of finding somebody who is a match is 1-10%, is that not a shortage?
And its not a strawman "just cuz it aint happened" you idiot, learn what a rgument fallacys are before you try to use it.
@MitchofSmeg "when it comes to bonemarrow, the biological chance of finding somebody who is a match is 1-10%, is that not a shortage?" Because with a market for it, supply of available donors rises, creating a larger pool of people to get a match with.
@Elvishairdude89 Good god if we only had more people like you in the US! then we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.
whats crazy is i read these posts often enough and no one has ever said what you just said. are most people stupid? ignorant? what? what is it about our citizens?
@Elvishairdude89 So, using your logic, Canadians eat mouthfuls of grass and are all Nazi's, and are all cultists and brainwashed? You would be one of those who would applaud a film documenting the people dying just because they have no healthcare.
I wish someone would make a documentary of all the people who are dying only becasue they have no insurance. Would all the sick-fuckers who *support* no insurance (like a 3rd world country) applaud when they die? This is fucked up. We are one of a few nations that have no health insurance. This is sick. We need to film these people dying just for a $.
Alright. Let me make this straight. I'm a Canadian, therefore I'm entitled to our public health care system. However, I'm also a libertarian and I don't think a socialized health care system is the best way to go. But something like not having enough money for a translplant is just plain sad and that wouldn't happen here in Canada. So my question is: how can you ensure under a that people like that who didn't go on Reddit get the care they need under a completely privitized system?
This is fucking sick. We are the only nation in the world that has to beg for money for medical help, if not, you are left to die. And WE are "ok" with that?
@tblbaby Solution? personally owned HSAs. This is the only solution to lowering costs without lowering quality. Take out the third payer problem and let people decide what is actually worth their money and let the market work.
@fizzingwhizbeee I agree with you, but I can't agree it's a solution, you can't solve suffering & we will never have a perfect world. All we can do is the best we can do, and that's to keep government out of it because people in power positions will be corrupt, and if you give them power over the people's own choices that is extreme folly. THAT is the biggest cause of most of the problems the world has right now, government being given power that they can sell the corrupt who've got the most $
I know this is a hot-button topic, but organ-selling should be legal. As Walter Williams once said, "If you agree that a person's kidneys are their own, you can't be against this."
Lee, just wanted to say continue to love your channel and hearing your thoughts. I appreciate your views even if at times I wonder if we reach the same conclusions in different ways.
Your wealth of knowledge and ability to articulate things in a way that is easy to share with friends and family.
Thank you for your work and I hope you know how those that realize your objectivity and intellectual healthy thinking are tough to find. Especially youtube
Its kind of ironic, considering that the reddit community, as a liberal and progressive community, is a huge advocate of socialized healthcare that are making it harder for people to get the proper care they need.
@OddRobb Not really... Liberals seem to have good intentions, but want to help people like this at the expense of others or have poor understanding of how economic systems work. Psychological studies have repeatedly shown that liberals tend to have more empathy.
It's been my experience that the folks that frequent REDDIT are THOSE TYPE of people...They tend to be the type that takes action when they see that action needs to be taken... I'm really happy to hear this!!
@ScottishAtheist What?! My friend it takes doctors, hospitals and resources to provide the services necessary. There is nothing the government can do to eliminate that reality. There is a reason why people from your Country come to America to get the best care when they really need it and don't want to wait on a waiting list.
@HowTheWorldWorks True dat, but when it comes to children in Sweden, there are no waiting lists, the waiting list mostly is for middle aged and above, and they get to wait a looong time. Also the doctors and nurses are not happy about their pay, so expecting them to do their best is out of the question. So now days we mostly import doctors from poorer countries (wich makes it hard to communicate), since nobody wants to study their whole life for a pretty standard salary.
@HowTheWorldWorks That's true, in my local corner shop they have notice pegged there concerning a fund raising effort for one of the employees there. He's been denied treatment under the NHS for whatever reason so he need to go abroad for life-saving treatment.
@HowTheWorldWorks he may have a point, although i'm sure it's not the point he was trying to make. our system is broken, which prevents a lot of people from getting the care they need. everything from the ama limiting the number of doctors that can be licensed, to the fda preventing access to potentially life-saving pharmaceuticals, to the over-regulation of the insurance industry have all made health care in this country out of reach for many americans.
@HowTheWorldWorks I like that attitude. You should be able to pay for what you want. And if you can't afford it, we should let you die. Because THAT"S American and humane! Go Darwin!
@HowTheWorldWorks There are moron socialists that think a gigantic socialised health care system is the way to go. Every instance of it is a total and utter failure.
@mayne242, what's so "moronic" about every other first world nation having universal health care, costing 10% of GDP, covering every one, without deductions/raising premiums/pre-existing conditions/personal medical bankrupcies/etc, versus America's private system with all those issues and costing 16% of GDP?
You cry "Every instance of [universal health care] is a total and utter failure", why because you say so? How about you give just one example of one of these "utter failures".
@ScottishAtheist Don't believe everything you hear from our media. Our system is nowhere near broken and there are plenty of charities that regularly help people pay for medical bills they can't afford.
@ScottishAtheist Oh Please... as sad as it is for the child, there is no right to subjugate others to pay for an unnatural extension to your natural life. That charity won out is the lesson America need to rethink and learn.
I was sitting at a McDonald's Play Place when a woman walked up to me and asked me which one was mine. I just looked at her and said, "I haven't picked one out yet."
Great example of how America should work rather than being compelled by our government. The more government gets out of the way the more people will be aware and willing to lend a hand like this.
There is a problem with the argument that charity can cover healthcare for those who cannot afford it. The argument assumes that everyone is equally well connected, when that may not be the case. People with more connections are potentially more likely to bring more money to bear on a shortfall related to healthcare. This story illustrates the power that new technology, the internet, can have on peoples' lives; however, help may not be able to reach those with low income or isolate individuals.
I don't want to rain on the anti-socialised health care parade, as I am against socialised and mandated health care, but how many people would still donate if this was required on a daily basis?
@americanbandwidth Erhm.... You would have a point if the story was "In Norway a man was put in jail for wanting to buy himself prosthetic legs". And if the board said this there was probably more to it than the one-liner you fired.
@americanbandwidth It seems the conditions (the man not being able to walk) isnt permanent. He would be able to get help but not what he wanted (some other type of electric vehicle). And lastly, obviously he could buy it himself if he wanted. Actually a manufacturer of the thing he wanted lend him one.
Socialized medicine should be a card blanc to all the stuff you want. thats why a board had to green light it (although they might have made a mistake in this case).
There is another reason for the lack of donors. In the past, bone marrow transplants involved terribly invasive surgery with residual pain afterwards in order to extract the marrow from the bone. Since then medical science has progressed to the point that a donor can take a pill to extract the cells from the marrow. The cells then can be extracted from donated blood. The problem here is education; people still associate bone marrow transplants with painful surgery.
I'm from a country with socialized medicine and let me tell you that every sick person which actually has a severe problem and not just a flew has to go to the USA to get proper treatment. The lines for the doctors are huge and you have to wait for a CTA test for a YEAR. The only thing that the socialized medicine is doing is pumping up the prices for the private doctors cause they can't work that cheap.
@MsAnchy Interesting.. I see your from Croatia, isn't there somewhere in Europe that provides better health care services? It seems coming all the way to the US would be unnecessary.
@xjustin523x well most of the people decide to go to the USA because the doctors are better there than the ones from EU and there are far more procedures available. There is a reason why all the presidents and politicians from the EU countries come to get health care to the USA :)
@MsAnchy i know somebody in canada who got cancer and he did not have enough money to fly anywhere, and his treatment was a hassle, but he got better and he did not go broke or die. the point of socialized health care is not give you premium treatment, its to give you the treatment you need without making you go broke. if you have money for the best health care available god bless, but what about those who do not
@karozans while i partially agree with you, half the people who file for bankruptcy do it because of health care cost and the majority of them have health insurance, you can say it morally wrong to have socialized health care and i can see myself agreeing to that, but you cant say it does not work thats a blatant lie and if charity works like you thinks it works we would not any problems btw what you said at the end makes you sound like an insane person during the red scare
@karozans you are going on a weird paranoid tangent, i agree with you capitalism is the best economic system available to us, but the question was wither socialized health care works or not and stats show it does. my point is that health care should be viewed like security if you want cops you get them and if you can afford body guards god bless
@karozans the eurpean dept crisis happened because of crony capitalism thats why china and israel were less effected by it then we were also security is partially run by the private sector that's why Arabian countries pay a good price so that they're troops receive the best training and equipment.
@karozans security is partially run by the private sector that's why Arabian countries pay a good price so that they're troops receive the best training and equipment from security companies in the private market. canada is not moving anywhere their economy is one of best regulated and effective in the world and the key to that is strict regulations against crony capitalism
@Mrinebriation You are obviously familiar with spell checker. Perhaps you should check out a grammer and composition checker. You wrote an entire paragraph with only one capitolized word and that was "Arabian", which tells me where you stand.
BTW, your premise is ill informed. I hate to say that you are ignorant, but if the shoe fits...
The European Debt Crisis didn't happen because of Crony Capitalism. They were Socialist. Cronyism happens in any social structure, including Socialism.
@bantyhenrants i may be bored enough to write utube comments but im not bored enough to check every sentence i write, and ya crony capitalism happens to varying degrees in several economic systems that does not disprove my point. and my premise before i went on another tangent is socialized health care is better and thats backed by stats.also there are no socialist countries in europe, but a real socialist country is going to be the number on economy in the world in 5 or 6 years
@Mrinebriation Wow, really? So your grammar is dependent on your level of bordom? Excellent! Next time you are bored, do what you do best and go play a video game that was made by a big corporation. You ignorant pawn.
@bantyhenrants wow i once read a study that said conservatives are conservative because they are afraid and paranoid, im starting to think it might be true, also i love big corporations as long as they dont take any money from the governments
@Mrinebriation Sure you did. Name the study. I dare you. Guess what! We are tired of your false claims and we are calling you out. So go ahead, name your "study". I can't wait to hear about it.
@bantyhenrants calm down it was just an article i read a few years back on some biased website, thats why i did not believe it, but going by your insane reaction to the slightest provocation maybe they had a point. and btw not every one is out to get you. maybe you are just an unbalanced condescending moron have you ever thought of that
@karozans All correct except one part. "Capitalism raises the standard of living for everyone who is willing to put forth the effort and participate." Not so. Capitalism raises the standard of living for everyone, regardless of effort. Because capitalism drives innovation areas that once were prohibitively expensive becomes cheaper thereby granting access to a wider group of people, even the very poor.
@Mrinebriation I'm sorry I don't know much about Canada but I know that my country is on the socialist side and we pay like 15% of the monthly income for health care which sums up to 145$ average. I saw some ensurences in the USA which are like 30$ a month! So the poor don't really get as good as a deal as they think they do.
@MsAnchy lol if health insurance was 30 dollars then nobody would be complaining. the average annual premium is 2995 dollars thats 250 a month. but even 250 would be fine by me. the problems is that half the people who filed for bankruptcy last year did it because a family member got sick and the majority of them had health insurance from the private sector. also the us government spends more on health care per capita than any other country in the world
@Mrinebriation Sure you could buy a premium for 250 a month I just googled how much it would be for me if I was in USA and I found them ranging from 30$ to much higher ones. I'm just saying with this you have the option of how much you wanna spend and what kind of a quality you get for it. With socialized medicine you just get expensive and bad health care.
@MsAnchy i have never heard of the 30 dollar ones, but anything but the premium is essentially useless and even with the premium health insurance companies still screw you because of some fine print technicalities, you also still have to pay a deductible and if you have preexisting condition the only insurance you can get is to hope that you wont get sick. now you may say its morally wrong to have socialized health care, but its way more effective than the system in the us
@Mrinebriation With socialized medicine there is no premium. My best friend had a cyst on one of her ovaries and needed the operation to get it removed and they told her that she can get it in 4 months. The cyst was 10 cm in diameter and about to explode. And now you tell me that's worth 15% of someones annual salary? Of course she had to go to a private doctor and was stuck with the bill and the cost of social medicine.
@Mrinebriation Well I had lots of experience with social med,It works for when you have a flu and it covers your exam and some medicine,but if you need any operations done or you have a cancer or some some more serious problem you are SOL if you can't pay for private care you probably going to be dead by the time you are due for operation,as for preexisting condition that would defy the purpose of insurance,in social you are covered as long as you have a nonexistent condition.
@olhsaoagpaigfbp i dont know about other countries but it doesnt work like that in canada i know somebody who got cancer. His treatment was a hassle, but he got what he needed and he didnt go broke also what if a person is born with a preexisting condition is he doomed to die or go broke, that's way too cruel of a society to live in. if you can afford the best health care god bless you should get it its like if you can afford a body guard get one if u cant the police will help u
@Mrinebriation What is cruel is that anyone would force people to give them money so someone else can decide what's right or wrong. Why wouldn't a person be able to decide who he/she thinks needs their money, which they earned with hard work, the most. And where does one find these angels who are gonna decide who's worthy of other peoples money. Private charity works and if it didn't work then there would be none in Canada or any other socialist country.
@MsAnchy canada is not a socialist country, only china and some small asian islands are socialist. by your logic i should not give money to support wars i dont like. or to process papers for citizens other than me or pay for embassies in other countries why live in a country then go to some isolated island and renounce your citizenship.
@Mrinebriation well I don't care how you call it but fact is the more social security you have the sooner you'll go bankrupt as a country. You just have to look at the UK, Germany and the EU as a whole to know that. Also you don't give money to support wars your money gets taken away same as socialized medicine. I'm all for giving money out of the goodness of your hearth but to take someone else's by force to further your cause is wrong.
@Mrinebriation Thing is Canada "celebrates" tax freedom day 6 June and USA 14 April(not saying that USA has a good system),now if everyone could keep all that tax money spent on healthcare in Canada you would have to be an idiot not to have enough to get yourself/your family treated,Canada will go down like the EU and rest of social democracies are going just matter of time US will probably go to since they are abandoning capitalism since early 20th century but slower.
@MsAnchy That's Canada I am guessing... It's not as bad in some places, but socialised medicine does not work. Mandating the purchase of health care, though, is just wrong.
@PolitcalIslam Croatia actually and it's awful :( but what can you do when our nation repeatedly chooses some imaginary social security over economic stability.
@ApexAurajin It's probably Canada if you look at her use of a "z" in socialised, and I know of a few Canadians who have complained about the same thing.
Us Brit's do that with z's also, We call them Zed's. but I'm guessing it's not British Health care they're complaining about since we don't have a land border with the US and our health care is pretty damn good.
Funny story: In my country the max allowed waiting period for public hospitals is a year, after that they get sent into the private sector that isn't a huge failure.
@MsAnchy If the socialazed medicine service is faulty and the there isn´t a ban on private medicine, then there will be private medicine private medicine. The main difference is that private medicine will be cheaper and poor people wil have access to health service,
So, that's in Croatia, sad day for you guys. The Canadians and Germans seem fine for the most part. In America we have a crony capitalist system in place where the pharmaceutical and health insurance companies who bought the politicians screw us over with their monopolies which allows them to overprice and give bad quality. Why you dont think we should change that?
@MsAnchy One of the primary reasons why tests are so easily available in the US is because doctors are afraid of getting sued for malpractice so they send patient to vast amounts of tests. Often not necessary tests.
@mr82769 I'd rather have my doctor scared and doing his job correctly than not monitored at all and doing a sloppy job like it's done with socialized healthcare.
@mr82769 well if I didn't have to pay the taxes which I do then I could afford it and so would everyone who worked/ is working/ will work. The only one that can benefit from it are the ones that don't work and they are dragging everyone down with them. If you kept the government out of it the doctors would have to compete, the prices would go down and the quality would go up. Free market in all it's glory.
@MsAnchy Dont pretend you researched this. There are legal issues in this and then there is market failure issues here.If the market could fix this so easily we wouldnt be discussing it. Just like we dont discuss the price on milk or apples.
And I have a masters degree in economics. I think I know the basics.
@mr82769 They give out those degrees really loosely these days. Did you get it from a public college in a leftist country? Cause that would explain a lot. The market CAN fix this just like it fixed milk and apples. That's why we aren't discussing it. The difference is only the fact that socialist are eager to meddle into it and of course they disrupt the market and you have this mess. Gosh it's like talking to a brick wall . . .
@MsAnchy Aawww my degree is bogus I shouldve know! And we arent discussing it? Wtf is this then!? Talk about a brick wall.
If the market can fix anything then why dont we just get privatized courts? `Cause according to you the public court system must be government interference, right? I think my public education gotten in a leftist country is better than your "I read it on the internet"-degree.
@mr82769 You claimed to understand the basics,you should know that in a free market system government has a important and strong role that is protecting your rights and liberties,courts are a legitimate role of government,creating entitlements is not legitimate.As for your degree,it is naive to think that a government run university wouldn't be bias when teaching about how government should be run.And try not to talk down to people it ruins your credibility.
@MsAnchy So what you are saying is that public universities tend to push their students into thinking that government must rule all? I can tell you that that isnt happening. At all. We learn that the market in most cases is the best one to set price and quantity but sometimes the market just doesnt work.
The failure of healthcare in the US has very little to do with socialism. Look at Scandinavia - here it is better and cheaper (yes cheaper). Its the US legal system that is rotten.
The primary force used here in Denmark is to keep the market from distorting the health of ppl. Doctors are forced to be neutral about what medicine they recommend or write prescriptions for. Pharmacies are forced to offer cheaper generic products if they exist.
"Slaves to the government".... "But dont blur the facts about it". You need to read books instead of having the Internet brainwash you.
@mr82769 No public universities teach you that best way to run the government is the exact way that government is being run now.US healthcare is far away from being free market,government cover's about a third of people directly with medicare and medicaid and about half of expenses are paid by the govt.Did USA have a problem while it was free market healthcare?,We should look at the Swiss healthcare system which is more free market then US and nobody is complaining.
@mr82769 As for Nordic economic model,I don't have to tell you how much taxes you pay,but I credit to your culture that you keep on working,in other nations first people realize that they don't have to work and just leech of welfare and more and more follow when they don't want to work to pay for other peoples laziness,happened in my country and all across EU.
@jkessler410 for every person saved because of charity thousand more die or go broke counties with socialized health care have longer life expectancy, lower infant morality and the per capita cost for health care is lower than the us. you can say its morally wrong and i may agree with you, but its definitely the better system for the majority of people
@Mrinebriation everything you just said is pure bunk, they have a longer life expectancy because they don't have the problem we have, of being rich and having too much food killing themselves with fat and cholesterol.. with infant mortality it has nothing more than dishonest reporting n their end. It's been proven time and time again that socialized medicine has lead to a decreased quality in care and service, but people keep spouting lies based off a bogus ranking that has been debunked.
@Mrinebriation "for every person saved because of charity thousand more die" Prove it.
Also, what are you basing your claims about "socialised" healthcare on? WHO statistics? THings like life expectancy have many more factors influencing them than healthcare alone, and infant mortality is a statistic that is notoriously easy to fudge. Per capita costs are meaningless if the institution can artificially lower prices.
@Mrinebriation We also have more immigration, and more ethnic diversity than the more socialized nations you refer to. Also, Sweden and Norway are capitalist nations. Canada is 6th, Switzerland is 5th, Denmark is 8th, the Netherlands are 15th, Sweden is 22nd, and Norway is the 30th most free market nation of the 190 nations on earth. If these nations have good health outcomes, then it is capitalism that funds it.
@freesk8 you are right its capitalism that funds it because capitalism works, and these countries see people dying in the street or going broke because of health care similar or even worse than people dying from another countries or going broke because another country bombed their house. i dont see how ethnic diversity factors into this
@Mrinebriation Ethnic diversity matters because even when you account for wealth differences, different racial groups have different avg lifespans, different infant mortality rates, and other endemic illnesses. Immigration is important for this same reason, but also for the reason that people even of the same race who are born in poverty tend to have more health problems and lower life expectancy. But their children tend to do better once in the US...
Paying people for donating blood, bone marrow or organs seems to A) set a dangerous precedent and B) has already been shown to have flaws. When most blood banks paid for donations, there were large numbers of IV drug users and other unsuitable donors who came in to donate just for the money. If you pay only for those able to donate, people will lie about their suitability. Granted, bone marrow testing has much more testing done up front, but still seems to fall prey to bad stuff.
wafelsen 1 month ago
@wafelsen If the blood/marrow/organ supply is sufficient at the time then there is no reason to pay anyone, but it may be useful to have the option to offer payments in a circumstance of extreme shortage, if the cost of the extra screening is worth it compared to the amount of usable blood you gain. Also, if private citizens want to pay for an organ or something that's already verified to be suitable, I don't see why not.
bowserhsu 1 week ago
Reddit, you've out done yourself [:
fattiebomaddie 1 month ago
Also, the wonderful people over at Reddit's atheism page raised over $300,000 for Doctors Without Borders earlier this month.
buckybone89 2 months ago
I like how you miss out the obvious reasoning behind banning the "compensation" of bonemarrow transplants, the fact the guy on the other end can go "you pay me extortionate amounts of money or die".
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@MitchofSmeg
You said: the guy on the other end can go "you pay me extortionate amounts of money or die".
If the "donor" is going to have an attitude like that, s/he wouldn't be giving it away free anyway. So, in order to punish the greedy nature of the donor, you would say that we should sacrifice the life of the dying person who might prefer to pay an exorbitant price to some jerk if it would save his/her own life. Get out of the way of saving lives!
ecsheats 2 months ago
@ecsheats
Actually i am of the mind that anyone healthy should by my ethical standard be willing to help others with transplants, i am, hell, if i found out some stranger needed my bone marrow i wouldnt sell it to them, i would go though the hell to give it to them for free, what is required is a massive government education system, not money grubbing (least in europe thats how we go about it).
Get out the way of saving lives? Americans, never listen to those who have better systems
MitchofSmeg 2 months ago
@MitchofSmeg You aren't paying one guy - you are paying one of a large group of people that are doing this. Just as when you go to the grocery store, no one says "pay me exorbitant amounts of money or die from hunger". And the doctors/hospitals already get paid for doing the surgeries, and they don't do this either. Maybe you want to take down your straw man and put up a reasonable argument now?
mtanousable 2 months ago
@mtanousable
Actually, if you look at history, whenever there is a shortage on food, you will find that rates for food double, triple, quadruple and so on, lol (in other words yes, you do see them do that and most the time when this happens the government has to step in to protect the people)
How is it a strawman? It is a legitimate claim and just because you have no argument against it doesnt make it wrong.
MitchofSmeg 2 months ago
@MitchofSmeg That happens with a shortage of anything. In fact, that's the very definition of shortage. And as a result of higher prices, people scramble to "get a piece of the action" and provide more supply to do so. Thus, things normalize rather quickly, and prolonged shortages are rare.
And it is a strawman because, as shown, it presumes an occurrence that does not happen with other survival necessities on the market. As this does not happen, it makes no sense to presume it will here.
mtanousable 2 months ago
@mtanousable
It does happen you retard it has been shown to happen at least 30 times in the last 100 years alone i mean hell, if you are unwilling to look at the facts well.
Oh, and you said "happens with a shortage of anything", when it comes to bonemarrow, the biological chance of finding somebody who is a match is 1-10%, is that not a shortage?
And its not a strawman "just cuz it aint happened" you idiot, learn what a rgument fallacys are before you try to use it.
MitchofSmeg 2 months ago
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@MitchofSmeg "when it comes to bonemarrow, the biological chance of finding somebody who is a match is 1-10%, is that not a shortage?" Because with a market for it, supply of available donors rises, creating a larger pool of people to get a match with.
mtanousable 2 months ago
Voluntaryism FTW.
DackIsBack 2 months ago
@DackIsBack
Wanna know whats funny? Most western countries by far vote in government run volunteering in forms of national health services...
lol.
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Go capitalism, go liberty.
LokiScoutSniper 2 months ago
Ron Paul 2012
fireupgoku 2 months ago
@Elvishairdude89 Good god if we only had more people like you in the US! then we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.
whats crazy is i read these posts often enough and no one has ever said what you just said. are most people stupid? ignorant? what? what is it about our citizens?
UpalKashey 2 months ago
weird how these things happen more in liberal site.
Mrinebriation 2 months ago 2
@Mrinebriation Its because most sites are liberal sites. Why not leave politics out of it and just appreciate whats been done.
21ollej 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Elvishairdude89 So, using your logic, Canadians eat mouthfuls of grass and are all Nazi's, and are all cultists and brainwashed? You would be one of those who would applaud a film documenting the people dying just because they have no healthcare.
analyzingfunny 2 months ago
"One instance in which proves that sometimes it works". Typical HTWW style of evidence.
chaosprite 2 months ago
I wish someone would make a documentary of all the people who are dying only becasue they have no insurance. Would all the sick-fuckers who *support* no insurance (like a 3rd world country) applaud when they die? This is fucked up. We are one of a few nations that have no health insurance. This is sick. We need to film these people dying just for a $.
analyzingfunny 2 months ago
You're a greedy, anti-gay, scumbag Retarded REPUBLICAN who is greedy and retarted!!!!
Coffeeisnecessary 2 months ago
@Coffeeisnecessary
Wow, that's deep analysis.
RavingDissension 2 months ago
@Coffeeisnecessary hey cutie
maritimetimes 2 months ago
Alright. Let me make this straight. I'm a Canadian, therefore I'm entitled to our public health care system. However, I'm also a libertarian and I don't think a socialized health care system is the best way to go. But something like not having enough money for a translplant is just plain sad and that wouldn't happen here in Canada. So my question is: how can you ensure under a that people like that who didn't go on Reddit get the care they need under a completely privitized system?
David578593 2 months ago
This is fucking sick. We are the only nation in the world that has to beg for money for medical help, if not, you are left to die. And WE are "ok" with that?
analyzingfunny 2 months ago
@analyzingfunny i am. shit ain't free hippy
maritimetimes 2 months ago
@maritimetimes haha! Nice try! logic fail.
analyzingfunny 2 months ago
@analyzingfunny ty ty
maritimetimes 2 months ago
@tblbaby Solution? personally owned HSAs. This is the only solution to lowering costs without lowering quality. Take out the third payer problem and let people decide what is actually worth their money and let the market work.
fizzingwhizbeee 2 months ago
@fizzingwhizbeee I agree with you, but I can't agree it's a solution, you can't solve suffering & we will never have a perfect world. All we can do is the best we can do, and that's to keep government out of it because people in power positions will be corrupt, and if you give them power over the people's own choices that is extreme folly. THAT is the biggest cause of most of the problems the world has right now, government being given power that they can sell the corrupt who've got the most $
tblbaby 2 months ago
I know this is a hot-button topic, but organ-selling should be legal. As Walter Williams once said, "If you agree that a person's kidneys are their own, you can't be against this."
UTubekookdetector 2 months ago 2
The internet will take the final stand against this corrupt government. The internet does much more than save lives.
bchplse 2 months ago
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VineFynn 2 months ago
Lee, just wanted to say continue to love your channel and hearing your thoughts. I appreciate your views even if at times I wonder if we reach the same conclusions in different ways.
Your wealth of knowledge and ability to articulate things in a way that is easy to share with friends and family.
Thank you for your work and I hope you know how those that realize your objectivity and intellectual healthy thinking are tough to find. Especially youtube
Assaultpredator 2 months ago
I'm lucky. I live about 15 miles from Duke University Hospital in Durham. They saved my life. The best cardiac care anywhere!
NAGGERNUTZ 2 months ago
Start covering Ron Paul!
j03y2fly 2 months ago
My older brother and his gf have been living in Durham too for their own transplant. Hope thst hear something soon. :(
CZroe 2 months ago
Its kind of ironic, considering that the reddit community, as a liberal and progressive community, is a huge advocate of socialized healthcare that are making it harder for people to get the proper care they need.
OddRobb 2 months ago 10
@OddRobb Not really... Liberals seem to have good intentions, but want to help people like this at the expense of others or have poor understanding of how economic systems work. Psychological studies have repeatedly shown that liberals tend to have more empathy.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
How can anyone say that the value of organs not being commodities is more morally weighty than saving hundreds of lives?
migkillertwo 2 months ago
@migkillertwo Just research the issue instead of doing what Lee just did... Assuming he knows best from scratch.
mr82769 2 months ago
Lee Doren 2016. Problem solved.
rogging1 2 months ago
Lee Doren for world leader
nottinmatterz2day 2 months ago
Trolls are the spice of the Internet
alamoallies 2 months ago
Reddit users also donated $185,000 to Doctors Without Borders.
saxquiz 2 months ago
@saxquiz Well, most of it came from atheists. So it doesn't really count as a donation.
youtbeguy 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
You got rid of your logo "how the world works".
TinoForever 2 months ago
It's been my experience that the folks that frequent REDDIT are THOSE TYPE of people...They tend to be the type that takes action when they see that action needs to be taken... I'm really happy to hear this!!
kastnmagic 2 months ago
Wait I don't understand....where can I sell my bone marrow for profit?
maxjosephwheeler 2 months ago
@maxjosephwheeler It's not exactly for profit if you consider the time and amount of pain you go through. It's more compensation than profit.
NewYorkSentinel 2 months ago
You should also mention that recently, the subreddit group r/atheism raised approximately $150,000 for Doctors Without Borders over 2 days.
mystarmach 2 months ago
@mystarmach bunch of idiots
maritimetimes 2 months ago
Reddit is the most left wing, pretentious, idiotic web community I've ever seen.
beefking69er 2 months ago
@beefking69er so true
maritimetimes 2 months ago
Thumbs up for the heart warming exceptional story.
Thumbs down for the broken US healthcare system that made it necessary.
ScottishAtheist 2 months ago
@ScottishAtheist What?! My friend it takes doctors, hospitals and resources to provide the services necessary. There is nothing the government can do to eliminate that reality. There is a reason why people from your Country come to America to get the best care when they really need it and don't want to wait on a waiting list.
HowTheWorldWorks 2 months ago 29
@HowTheWorldWorks Your right, my uncle had to come from Scotland to the US to get proper healthcare treatment in time.
k0spe 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks True dat, but when it comes to children in Sweden, there are no waiting lists, the waiting list mostly is for middle aged and above, and they get to wait a looong time. Also the doctors and nurses are not happy about their pay, so expecting them to do their best is out of the question. So now days we mostly import doctors from poorer countries (wich makes it hard to communicate), since nobody wants to study their whole life for a pretty standard salary.
MrTlove911 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks That's true, in my local corner shop they have notice pegged there concerning a fund raising effort for one of the employees there. He's been denied treatment under the NHS for whatever reason so he need to go abroad for life-saving treatment.
KnockoffNigeI 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks he may have a point, although i'm sure it's not the point he was trying to make. our system is broken, which prevents a lot of people from getting the care they need. everything from the ama limiting the number of doctors that can be licensed, to the fda preventing access to potentially life-saving pharmaceuticals, to the over-regulation of the insurance industry have all made health care in this country out of reach for many americans.
cristoballs 2 months ago
@cristoballs
Right, so it's not a "broken healthcare system" like the guy said. Its the Government involvement that breaks the system.
That's the progressives favorite tactic. Break the system on purpose and then say hey guys the system is broken we have to fix it!
fishblades 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks I like that attitude. You should be able to pay for what you want. And if you can't afford it, we should let you die. Because THAT"S American and humane! Go Darwin!
cameron3512641 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks There are moron socialists that think a gigantic socialised health care system is the way to go. Every instance of it is a total and utter failure.
mayne242 2 months ago
@mayne242, what's so "moronic" about every other first world nation having universal health care, costing 10% of GDP, covering every one, without deductions/raising premiums/pre-existing conditions/personal medical bankrupcies/etc, versus America's private system with all those issues and costing 16% of GDP?
You cry "Every instance of [universal health care] is a total and utter failure", why because you say so? How about you give just one example of one of these "utter failures".
notAmenakin 2 months ago
@HowTheWorldWorks you do realize that your responding to someone that has "Youtube Poop: The My Little Pony Show" as one of their favorites?
jscarter79 2 months ago
@ScottishAtheist Don't believe everything you hear from our media. Our system is nowhere near broken and there are plenty of charities that regularly help people pay for medical bills they can't afford.
Vjuggalo 2 months ago
@ScottishAtheist Sure, thumbs down the best medical system in the world because it's not perfect. Good thinking.
tblbaby 2 months ago
@ScottishAtheist Oh Please... as sad as it is for the child, there is no right to subjugate others to pay for an unnatural extension to your natural life. That charity won out is the lesson America need to rethink and learn.
carlindelco 2 months ago
What about the Reddit Atheists who just made one of the biggest donations to Doctors Without Borders? ;P
ComradeDavidenko 2 months ago
@ComradeDavidenko I have no problem with atheists who believe in small government and individual giving... and your point is...?
bantyhenrants 2 months ago
I was sitting at a McDonald's Play Place when a woman walked up to me and asked me which one was mine. I just looked at her and said, "I haven't picked one out yet."
Nixmix24 2 months ago
*SIGH*
Candlesjack 2 months ago
That's a wonderful thing! Thanks for posting.
obamamaniacs 2 months ago
Great example of how America should work rather than being compelled by our government. The more government gets out of the way the more people will be aware and willing to lend a hand like this.
JudahFlix 2 months ago
Glad to hear some good news for a change.
computerpurple 2 months ago
There is a problem with the argument that charity can cover healthcare for those who cannot afford it. The argument assumes that everyone is equally well connected, when that may not be the case. People with more connections are potentially more likely to bring more money to bear on a shortfall related to healthcare. This story illustrates the power that new technology, the internet, can have on peoples' lives; however, help may not be able to reach those with low income or isolate individuals.
sinecurve9999 2 months ago
I don't want to rain on the anti-socialised health care parade, as I am against socialised and mandated health care, but how many people would still donate if this was required on a daily basis?
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
Kick ass, Lee.
In the UK you can't get medical help unless you go through the vetting process, that's at least 6 months, if you ever get it.
In Norway, where they also have socialized medicine, a man was denied prosthetic legs because they Medical board said it's not a permanent condition.
WTF FTW.
americanbandwidth 2 months ago
@americanbandwidth what you said is similar saying because of the bp oil spill we should stop using fossil fuel
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@americanbandwidth Erhm.... You would have a point if the story was "In Norway a man was put in jail for wanting to buy himself prosthetic legs". And if the board said this there was probably more to it than the one-liner you fired.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 It was a direct quote.
It's not my one liner.
There they have Socialized Medicine, You CAN'T buy yourself anything medical there.
Only Government can.
americanbandwidth 2 months ago
@americanbandwidth That is either a lie or just untrue. I dont know you so I wont judge you but those are the options.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 You are partly right, It was Sweden and it was a power wheel chair.
I should have taken the time to be more correct.
However, This is still an issue.
Not that it's a power wheel chair, but that they claim it is not "permanent"
He may get steel legs, yes, but they cost 12k now in the USA.
A power wheel chair costs what? $700, even if it was 10k for the wheel chair it's still cheaper.
americanbandwidth 2 months ago
@americanbandwidth It seems the conditions (the man not being able to walk) isnt permanent. He would be able to get help but not what he wanted (some other type of electric vehicle). And lastly, obviously he could buy it himself if he wanted. Actually a manufacturer of the thing he wanted lend him one.
Socialized medicine should be a card blanc to all the stuff you want. thats why a board had to green light it (although they might have made a mistake in this case).
mr82769 2 months ago
There is another reason for the lack of donors. In the past, bone marrow transplants involved terribly invasive surgery with residual pain afterwards in order to extract the marrow from the bone. Since then medical science has progressed to the point that a donor can take a pill to extract the cells from the marrow. The cells then can be extracted from donated blood. The problem here is education; people still associate bone marrow transplants with painful surgery.
sinecurve9999 2 months ago
@sinecurve9999 Thats actually not true. Some can take the pill and some must go through surgery. But still, yay progress!
mr82769 2 months ago
I'm from a country with socialized medicine and let me tell you that every sick person which actually has a severe problem and not just a flew has to go to the USA to get proper treatment. The lines for the doctors are huge and you have to wait for a CTA test for a YEAR. The only thing that the socialized medicine is doing is pumping up the prices for the private doctors cause they can't work that cheap.
MsAnchy 2 months ago 59
@MsAnchy Interesting.. I see your from Croatia, isn't there somewhere in Europe that provides better health care services? It seems coming all the way to the US would be unnecessary.
xjustin523x 2 months ago
@xjustin523x Not the UK, that's for fucking sure.
Moragauth 2 months ago
@xjustin523x well most of the people decide to go to the USA because the doctors are better there than the ones from EU and there are far more procedures available. There is a reason why all the presidents and politicians from the EU countries come to get health care to the USA :)
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy i know somebody in canada who got cancer and he did not have enough money to fly anywhere, and his treatment was a hassle, but he got better and he did not go broke or die. the point of socialized health care is not give you premium treatment, its to give you the treatment you need without making you go broke. if you have money for the best health care available god bless, but what about those who do not
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation
In a Free-Market Capitalist society EVERYONE has access to affordable health care.
Capitalism makes everything CHEAPER, better, and faster.
Those who can afford to pay for their health care should. Those who can't afford to are still able to get health care through charity.
The hospitals where I live give away 50 million dollars in charity health care each year.
Going broke because of health care is a myth perpetuated by Socialists and Communists.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans while i partially agree with you, half the people who file for bankruptcy do it because of health care cost and the majority of them have health insurance, you can say it morally wrong to have socialized health care and i can see myself agreeing to that, but you cant say it does not work thats a blatant lie and if charity works like you thinks it works we would not any problems btw what you said at the end makes you sound like an insane person during the red scare
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation
The government has health insurance so screwed up in the US, I am not a bit surprised.
If health insurance were opened up to the free market, it would get better, cheaper, and cover more.
For some reason people got it in their mind that bankruptcy court is an evil thing.
Bankruptcy court allows you to restructure your financial situations. It is a myth that you loose EVERYTHING when you file for bankruptcy.
karozans 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation
Sure Socialism works. But just barely.
Socialism creates a mediocre society for everyone.
Capitalism raises the standard of living for everyone who is willing to put forth the effort and participate.
The government takes about 40% of my earnings each year.
Most people would be much more charitable if the government would get their hands out of my pocket.
If being against Socialism and Communism is "insane". Then I don't want to be sane.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans you are going on a weird paranoid tangent, i agree with you capitalism is the best economic system available to us, but the question was wither socialized health care works or not and stats show it does. my point is that health care should be viewed like security if you want cops you get them and if you can afford body guards god bless
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation
Well with the looming European debt crisis we will see how well socialized health care works., won't we?
In the words of Margaret Thatcher.
"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Security should be run by the free-market as well, but that is a whole other discussion.
karozans 2 months ago
@karozans the eurpean dept crisis happened because of crony capitalism thats why china and israel were less effected by it then we were also security is partially run by the private sector that's why Arabian countries pay a good price so that they're troops receive the best training and equipment.
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation
Crony Capitalism certainly plays a part but that isn't the only reason. Socialism is also to blame.
As the US is moving towards Socialism, Canada and Europe are moving away from it.
I have no idea what the last half of your post is talking about.
karozans 2 months ago
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@karozans security is partially run by the private sector that's why Arabian countries pay a good price so that they're troops receive the best training and equipment from security companies in the private market. canada is not moving anywhere their economy is one of best regulated and effective in the world and the key to that is strict regulations against crony capitalism
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation You are obviously familiar with spell checker. Perhaps you should check out a grammer and composition checker. You wrote an entire paragraph with only one capitolized word and that was "Arabian", which tells me where you stand.
BTW, your premise is ill informed. I hate to say that you are ignorant, but if the shoe fits...
The European Debt Crisis didn't happen because of Crony Capitalism. They were Socialist. Cronyism happens in any social structure, including Socialism.
bantyhenrants 2 months ago
@bantyhenrants i may be bored enough to write utube comments but im not bored enough to check every sentence i write, and ya crony capitalism happens to varying degrees in several economic systems that does not disprove my point. and my premise before i went on another tangent is socialized health care is better and thats backed by stats.also there are no socialist countries in europe, but a real socialist country is going to be the number on economy in the world in 5 or 6 years
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Wow, really? So your grammar is dependent on your level of bordom? Excellent! Next time you are bored, do what you do best and go play a video game that was made by a big corporation. You ignorant pawn.
bantyhenrants 2 months ago
@bantyhenrants wow i once read a study that said conservatives are conservative because they are afraid and paranoid, im starting to think it might be true, also i love big corporations as long as they dont take any money from the governments
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Sure you did. Name the study. I dare you. Guess what! We are tired of your false claims and we are calling you out. So go ahead, name your "study". I can't wait to hear about it.
bantyhenrants 2 months ago
@bantyhenrants calm down it was just an article i read a few years back on some biased website, thats why i did not believe it, but going by your insane reaction to the slightest provocation maybe they had a point. and btw not every one is out to get you. maybe you are just an unbalanced condescending moron have you ever thought of that
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
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@karozans All correct except one part. "Capitalism raises the standard of living for everyone who is willing to put forth the effort and participate." Not so. Capitalism raises the standard of living for everyone, regardless of effort. Because capitalism drives innovation areas that once were prohibitively expensive becomes cheaper thereby granting access to a wider group of people, even the very poor.
KamekoBruns 2 months ago
@karozans And where is this country you speak of?
mr82769 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation I'm sorry I don't know much about Canada but I know that my country is on the socialist side and we pay like 15% of the monthly income for health care which sums up to 145$ average. I saw some ensurences in the USA which are like 30$ a month! So the poor don't really get as good as a deal as they think they do.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy lol if health insurance was 30 dollars then nobody would be complaining. the average annual premium is 2995 dollars thats 250 a month. but even 250 would be fine by me. the problems is that half the people who filed for bankruptcy last year did it because a family member got sick and the majority of them had health insurance from the private sector. also the us government spends more on health care per capita than any other country in the world
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Sure you could buy a premium for 250 a month I just googled how much it would be for me if I was in USA and I found them ranging from 30$ to much higher ones. I'm just saying with this you have the option of how much you wanna spend and what kind of a quality you get for it. With socialized medicine you just get expensive and bad health care.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy i have never heard of the 30 dollar ones, but anything but the premium is essentially useless and even with the premium health insurance companies still screw you because of some fine print technicalities, you also still have to pay a deductible and if you have preexisting condition the only insurance you can get is to hope that you wont get sick. now you may say its morally wrong to have socialized health care, but its way more effective than the system in the us
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation With socialized medicine there is no premium. My best friend had a cyst on one of her ovaries and needed the operation to get it removed and they told her that she can get it in 4 months. The cyst was 10 cm in diameter and about to explode. And now you tell me that's worth 15% of someones annual salary? Of course she had to go to a private doctor and was stuck with the bill and the cost of social medicine.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Well I had lots of experience with social med,It works for when you have a flu and it covers your exam and some medicine,but if you need any operations done or you have a cancer or some some more serious problem you are SOL if you can't pay for private care you probably going to be dead by the time you are due for operation,as for preexisting condition that would defy the purpose of insurance,in social you are covered as long as you have a nonexistent condition.
olhsaoagpaigfbp 2 months ago
@olhsaoagpaigfbp i dont know about other countries but it doesnt work like that in canada i know somebody who got cancer. His treatment was a hassle, but he got what he needed and he didnt go broke also what if a person is born with a preexisting condition is he doomed to die or go broke, that's way too cruel of a society to live in. if you can afford the best health care god bless you should get it its like if you can afford a body guard get one if u cant the police will help u
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation What is cruel is that anyone would force people to give them money so someone else can decide what's right or wrong. Why wouldn't a person be able to decide who he/she thinks needs their money, which they earned with hard work, the most. And where does one find these angels who are gonna decide who's worthy of other peoples money. Private charity works and if it didn't work then there would be none in Canada or any other socialist country.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy canada is not a socialist country, only china and some small asian islands are socialist. by your logic i should not give money to support wars i dont like. or to process papers for citizens other than me or pay for embassies in other countries why live in a country then go to some isolated island and renounce your citizenship.
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation well I don't care how you call it but fact is the more social security you have the sooner you'll go bankrupt as a country. You just have to look at the UK, Germany and the EU as a whole to know that. Also you don't give money to support wars your money gets taken away same as socialized medicine. I'm all for giving money out of the goodness of your hearth but to take someone else's by force to further your cause is wrong.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Thing is Canada "celebrates" tax freedom day 6 June and USA 14 April(not saying that USA has a good system),now if everyone could keep all that tax money spent on healthcare in Canada you would have to be an idiot not to have enough to get yourself/your family treated,Canada will go down like the EU and rest of social democracies are going just matter of time US will probably go to since they are abandoning capitalism since early 20th century but slower.
olhsaoagpaigfbp 2 months ago
@MsAnchy That's Canada I am guessing... It's not as bad in some places, but socialised medicine does not work. Mandating the purchase of health care, though, is just wrong.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
@PolitcalIslam Croatia actually and it's awful :( but what can you do when our nation repeatedly chooses some imaginary social security over economic stability.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy
Which country is this?
ApexAurajin 2 months ago
@ApexAurajin It's probably Canada if you look at her use of a "z" in socialised, and I know of a few Canadians who have complained about the same thing.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
@PolitcalIslam
Us Brit's do that with z's also, We call them Zed's. but I'm guessing it's not British Health care they're complaining about since we don't have a land border with the US and our health care is pretty damn good.
ApexAurajin 2 months ago
@ApexAurajin I always thought that socialised was the standard spelling for Britain. Learning English as a second language is so annoying.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
@MsAnchy
Funny story: In my country the max allowed waiting period for public hospitals is a year, after that they get sent into the private sector that isn't a huge failure.
Anderasio 2 months ago
@MsAnchy i like how you just say "a country with socialized medcine" your so full of shit
kainniak1 2 months ago
@kainniak1 It's Croatia. If you cared to know more details you could have went to my Chanel and could have seen that ... this was just rude
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy If the socialazed medicine service is faulty and the there isn´t a ban on private medicine, then there will be private medicine private medicine. The main difference is that private medicine will be cheaper and poor people wil have access to health service,
Humbly,
Yawar
TheYawarFiesta 2 months ago
@MsAnchy
So, that's in Croatia, sad day for you guys. The Canadians and Germans seem fine for the most part. In America we have a crony capitalist system in place where the pharmaceutical and health insurance companies who bought the politicians screw us over with their monopolies which allows them to overprice and give bad quality. Why you dont think we should change that?
1corpoaratekochwhore 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@1corpoaratekochwhore those are just bigger countries who didn't run out of other peoples money yet cause they have more. It's just a matter of time
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy Flu not flew. Unless of course you caught it on a plane. :)
UtherPendragan 2 months ago
@UtherPendragan haha oops :P
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy One of the primary reasons why tests are so easily available in the US is because doctors are afraid of getting sued for malpractice so they send patient to vast amounts of tests. Often not necessary tests.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 I'd rather have my doctor scared and doing his job correctly than not monitored at all and doing a sloppy job like it's done with socialized healthcare.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy So you would rather have doctors you couldnt afford than ones who on occasion makes errors? ´Cause those are the options as it is...
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 well if I didn't have to pay the taxes which I do then I could afford it and so would everyone who worked/ is working/ will work. The only one that can benefit from it are the ones that don't work and they are dragging everyone down with them. If you kept the government out of it the doctors would have to compete, the prices would go down and the quality would go up. Free market in all it's glory.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy There are so many things you havent considered I dont know where to begin. You should really research the subject. Thats all I can say.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 right back at you. I recommend you check up on Milton Friedman's theories about the free market.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy Dont pretend you researched this. There are legal issues in this and then there is market failure issues here.If the market could fix this so easily we wouldnt be discussing it. Just like we dont discuss the price on milk or apples.
And I have a masters degree in economics. I think I know the basics.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 They give out those degrees really loosely these days. Did you get it from a public college in a leftist country? Cause that would explain a lot. The market CAN fix this just like it fixed milk and apples. That's why we aren't discussing it. The difference is only the fact that socialist are eager to meddle into it and of course they disrupt the market and you have this mess. Gosh it's like talking to a brick wall . . .
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy Aawww my degree is bogus I shouldve know! And we arent discussing it? Wtf is this then!? Talk about a brick wall.
If the market can fix anything then why dont we just get privatized courts? `Cause according to you the public court system must be government interference, right? I think my public education gotten in a leftist country is better than your "I read it on the internet"-degree.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 You claimed to understand the basics,you should know that in a free market system government has a important and strong role that is protecting your rights and liberties,courts are a legitimate role of government,creating entitlements is not legitimate.As for your degree,it is naive to think that a government run university wouldn't be bias when teaching about how government should be run.And try not to talk down to people it ruins your credibility.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy So what you are saying is that public universities tend to push their students into thinking that government must rule all? I can tell you that that isnt happening. At all. We learn that the market in most cases is the best one to set price and quantity but sometimes the market just doesnt work.
The failure of healthcare in the US has very little to do with socialism. Look at Scandinavia - here it is better and cheaper (yes cheaper). Its the US legal system that is rotten.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 Socialized healthcare requires an initation of force against those who practice medicine. It turnes them into slaves to the government.
Go have your socialized healthcare. Drown in it, if you will. But don't blur the facts about it.
ppw00 2 months ago
@ppw00 I call BS. Pure BS.
The primary force used here in Denmark is to keep the market from distorting the health of ppl. Doctors are forced to be neutral about what medicine they recommend or write prescriptions for. Pharmacies are forced to offer cheaper generic products if they exist.
"Slaves to the government".... "But dont blur the facts about it". You need to read books instead of having the Internet brainwash you.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 How ironic that someone WITH 4 YEARS OF STATIST INDOCTRINATION AND A PIECE OF PAPER TO PROVE IT calls me "brainwashed".
Like I said, enjoy your socialism. Good day, sir.
ppw00 2 months ago
@mr82769 No public universities teach you that best way to run the government is the exact way that government is being run now.US healthcare is far away from being free market,government cover's about a third of people directly with medicare and medicaid and about half of expenses are paid by the govt.Did USA have a problem while it was free market healthcare?,We should look at the Swiss healthcare system which is more free market then US and nobody is complaining.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy about public universities.. BS... Again.
And I told you about what is the problem with US healthcare... read it again or just remain ignorant.
mr82769 2 months ago
@mr82769 As for Nordic economic model,I don't have to tell you how much taxes you pay,but I credit to your culture that you keep on working,in other nations first people realize that they don't have to work and just leech of welfare and more and more follow when they don't want to work to pay for other peoples laziness,happened in my country and all across EU.
MsAnchy 2 months ago
@MsAnchy It is happening here. But paying for healthcare is one thing we want to contribute to. Lazy *beeeps* is a whole other thing.
mr82769 2 months ago
FREE MARKET FTW
AUgustusDeLaVega 2 months ago 35
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MadBadVoodo 2 months ago
But, But... without the government taking the money by force, people won't help each other!
jkessler410 2 months ago 2
@jkessler410 for every person saved because of charity thousand more die or go broke counties with socialized health care have longer life expectancy, lower infant morality and the per capita cost for health care is lower than the us. you can say its morally wrong and i may agree with you, but its definitely the better system for the majority of people
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation everything you just said is pure bunk, they have a longer life expectancy because they don't have the problem we have, of being rich and having too much food killing themselves with fat and cholesterol.. with infant mortality it has nothing more than dishonest reporting n their end. It's been proven time and time again that socialized medicine has lead to a decreased quality in care and service, but people keep spouting lies based off a bogus ranking that has been debunked.
jkessler410 2 months ago 2
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@Mrinebriation "for every person saved because of charity thousand more die" Prove it.
Also, what are you basing your claims about "socialised" healthcare on? WHO statistics? THings like life expectancy have many more factors influencing them than healthcare alone, and infant mortality is a statistic that is notoriously easy to fudge. Per capita costs are meaningless if the institution can artificially lower prices.
Moragauth 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation We also have more immigration, and more ethnic diversity than the more socialized nations you refer to. Also, Sweden and Norway are capitalist nations. Canada is 6th, Switzerland is 5th, Denmark is 8th, the Netherlands are 15th, Sweden is 22nd, and Norway is the 30th most free market nation of the 190 nations on earth. If these nations have good health outcomes, then it is capitalism that funds it.
freesk8 2 months ago
@freesk8 you are right its capitalism that funds it because capitalism works, and these countries see people dying in the street or going broke because of health care similar or even worse than people dying from another countries or going broke because another country bombed their house. i dont see how ethnic diversity factors into this
Mrinebriation 2 months ago
@Mrinebriation Ethnic diversity matters because even when you account for wealth differences, different racial groups have different avg lifespans, different infant mortality rates, and other endemic illnesses. Immigration is important for this same reason, but also for the reason that people even of the same race who are born in poverty tend to have more health problems and lower life expectancy. But their children tend to do better once in the US...
freesk8 2 months ago
@jkessler410 Did you not watch the video? People helped out that family with out the goverment telling them to do it.
hooplablahblahblah 2 months ago
@hooplablahblahblah you need to get your sarcasm detector looked at.
jkessler410 2 months ago 2