BTP- Skaven v Dark Elves Redux

[ramb0101]

I play skaven. Got the content from the Island of blood box and Im wondering what I should add to my army going for around 2k =) I dont wanna spend money on things I won't be using and get a solid army from start. Any helpfull answer is appritiated. thx

[awsomekidification]

your list is really good but its hard to not iclude clanrats cuz thier so cool.

[FlamerFingers]

Press the button!!

[MJtheKandyman]

is this a good starter army? keep in mind im gonna be playing against bretonnians and empire mostly, so im want something decent against them ;D

Hero:Plague priest with a plague censer

Core:30 clanrats with music and spears, 2x20 clanrats with ratling gun, 3x20 skavenslaves

Special:30xplague monks with music and standard bearer, 20 plague censer bearers, 10 warplock jezzails

[Toddellis]

You are also forgetting Plague Claw Catapults... I actually like them better than the Doom Wheels (I know hard to believe). Plague Priests and Plague Censer Bearers are absolutely mighty. Don't worry about Skrolk unless you need a Lv4 mage. Take Slave units as core... 40 points each.

[hellball5]

@Toddellis under the knew rules the plaugeclaw is op i field at least 1 possibly 2 in tournements

[Toddellis]

Pestilens army is hard to stop... especially against cavalry as most of the attacks have no saves. They are also Frenzied, stuborn, unbreakable, hatred... You need units of slaves too to draw units unit range for you to charge.

[w3rh4mm3r43k]

skaven heros can no longer start in the back rank but if they refuse a chalange they are sent there, unless they are rideing a screaming bell, which they just hop up and down on it. usualy if you decline a chalance you are unable to use that hero's leadership but with skaven they are stil able to use their leadership when they run to the back.

[ajtame]

nice to see some coverage of dark elves, just started playing warhammer with them and find these helpful, especially that battle rep against high elves, keep em comming :)

[mrpivottastic]

awsomeness dark elves are mad

BTW shawn or that guy who made the bone knights should make a daemon hunters army (there mad felas)

[MEnotYOU4497]

what is that gient on the dark elf side write back

[MrScotish001]

its part of their campaign

[YellowDevilR]

The giant we used in that game is from a company named Ultraforge they put out some amazing models.

[Sarrathor]

cold one knights are terrible.........n00bs

[w3rh4mm3r43k]

basic clan rat ld is 5, they get to add there rank bonous to there ld, if any hero exept for assasins and engineers can pass there ld of 6+ to any unit there with so a unit of 30 clanrats with a chieftian, has ld 9. on another note the hell pit Abom causes terror and can eat the holw front rank of units, includeing heros i one round. it is evily fun!

[BoomtaxRISEtrons]

I haven't seen the new Skaven book yet, can they still put their heroes in the back most rank?

[hehawaiiau07]

Fear and terror causing units work well against them you say? I have yet to face the rat men, but it sounds like they will be easy prey for my vampire counts....

[bluetablepainting]

I hope you guys are having a good time making fun of my accent. By which I mean the mispronunciation of Plague.

[LuciusTheExternal]

We're not making fun of it, we're savoring the uniqueness in these times of mediocrity and dullness :D seriously, with what accents we have to cope with on youtube etc. i'm glad that you've got such a clear speaking voice.

go go dark elves :D

[ChrisBP4]

@bluetablepainting dont care about people who make fun of ur accent ur awesome mate

[hellball5]

@bluetablepainting hey dude its not that bad for instance i've lived in AZ for 11 years and i still cant finish a sentance without eh at the end lawl

[TrevytheGreat]

Hee hee.

Plegg.

Hee hee.

[Reneliel]

Good video, audio was very low though =(

[Sumabus]

Best last five seconds of a video EVER!

[metalheadbard]

You guys should do a Bretonnian army!

[jilloplo]

"Ranked expendable units". Too bad I play Wood Elves.

[akoni63]

Someone at GW must have forgotten to put "one use only" on that Storm Banner. 50pts is dirt cheap for something that powerful and that never stops working. if you dont roll a 4+, you can just use it again next turn.

[mtbell68]

stormbanner will get fixed in the FAQ - I think most people will continue to play it like the old book.

[EliteSamurai2]

Shawn no offense but I beat the skaven (new and old) with many armies, they are actually not so good. Check your tactics better!

[mtbell68]

COK got a Ld boost in this last book - how can you go wrong with a naked unit of 5? - hardly any points invested and you've got a good hitting small flanking unit. If you're that worried about stupidity - put Malus in the unit - can't be any different than using 2 hydras - 3 bolt throwers - or a DoW Giant.

[carmike1970]

Can you send me a message with the above mentioned skane plauge list.

[Whatsmahpasswurd]

Nice little skaven 101 there guys you should do that more often

[wardude96]

nice dude

[jonnye29]

Cold ones arn't that bad!!!!

If they charge they will nearly always hit on 3+ and wound 2+, add banner of slaughter to add d3 2 coombat res.

And awsome armour saves aswel, also helps if you run a master on cold one with them.

[10thAngel]

*pokes on his dwarfs, then sobs....*

[Number1GamerAsh]

i think this campagin is awesome i mean the fact that the whole studio is fighting BRILLIANT !

[redgreen09]

the thing is you need some thing bigger meener and ezay to piss off like graeter demmens and prinses lage nuber of demmens to WKJR

[EddyB0yz]

you can give the cold one knights the " pearl of infinate bleakness" which give you immune to phycology, which is stupidity as well.

[Kokaka]

Nope, the pearl won't work on stupidity according to the FAQ, sorry.

Anyway, cold ones are one of the best knights in the game.

[phaedruslive]

the grail knights don't care for your opinions sirrah!

[MarkofStark]

Immune to psychology has no affect on stupidity. As the rulebook states all immune to psychology does is make you immune to the effects of terror, fear and panic. Also the FAQ clears this up coming straight out and saying it doesn't work.

[Stewleat]

are you guys going to have a apocalypse battle soon i think you mentioned it when you had a vid about your new digs?

[projectzdragn]

Hmm... I wonder how Skaven hold up against a solid Lizardman army.

[Sarrow112]

EVIL DOOM WHEEL!

[Fyzz4life]

CHEESY !!!!!

[szlachcic22]

I have to disagree about Cold One Knights. Compared to other heavy cav you are almost guarenteed not to "bounce." Stupidity shouldn't come up often with LD9. However, just like anything else in a DE army, you really should be supporting any charge with at least one or two other units.

Plus, IMO cool looking units are more fun to me than cheesy combos (such as 2 hydras).

[Tomtenisse12]

will there be a batrep of this battle? :D would be awsome, And what would be more awsome is if you used Lizardmen for a batrep! just sayin'

[bluetablepainting]

We played two games. I took footage of the first one (which was a pitiable rout) but decided it wasn't worth editing. The second game was incredible fun and that's the one we should have recorded. I hope to do more Batreps and do them more consistently. I have recently rearranged the studio to make this possible.

[Tomtenisse12]

Awesome! =D

[gstruction]

SKAVEN RULE!!!!!!

[MuelRob]

Hey i got a tip too. Against Skaven armies i found that Night Goblin Squig Herds do very well, especially when they break and go nuts causing wide-spread damage. Also works well if a doom wheel is nearby or is the unit that broke the squigs.

[kpwillson]

What happened to the morning show?

[bluetablepainting]

The Morning Show is on hiatus. Sarah can only work limited hours for the time being and there's no time for that.

[jazzxeno]

damn....was looking forward to watching a notrep or batrep.

[bluetablepainting]

In related news: I have restructured the studio to allow me more time to do videos.

[jazzxeno]

Suprised you have the time to put videos up to be honest....christmas time an all.

Although id love to see you do one big warhammer batrep as a xmas treat for us the fans.  I.e every army you can muster :)

[paulitop1]

, sorry about this very long reply & i understand ren's distain at a unit of 5, i was the same, they are easy to whittle down & are not effective at all, pay the points for cok's, drop black guard or something & reap the benefit, the armour save alone will keep them alive far longer than dark elves normally manage paul f

[bluetablepainting]

Thank you, this is very helpful. Not to mention they Cause Fear.

[paulitop1]

). i play this unit all the time, sure if it goes stupid its 500 points down the swanny but most of the time it just kills everything in its path, with 15 attacks all rerolling misses on the charge & all at strength 6(lances) plus the cold ones 12 attacks all because of the magic banner it eats regiments alive, it never, ever fails to cause carnage,

[paulitop1]

stupidity is the only drawback, but when it strikes it does hurt & can lose u games, but that is the point it is a game so accept they will go stupid now & again. as 4 the uber unit put a master in the unit of cok's(10 of them with the front rank 6 wide with the hero in there) with the hyra banner(75pts).

[paulitop1]

hi, i watch blue table batreps as they are very good. this comment is for sean & espacially ren regarding the comments about dark elf cold one kinghts very early on in this report. sean is correct, if you set up the cold one knights as an uber unit & in a unit of ten they are very effective. i play dark elves on a regular basis & made the mistake of thinking to play them in units of 5, this is a mistake, take the risk on units of 10 with full command.

[KillKrazy666]

wait plague furnaces don't have a 15 unit strength as they count as a monstrous mount

[bluetablepainting]

The rulebook specifically says they have US15. One of a multitude of special exemptions in this codex. Another one is that their template weapons don't have partials, everything touched is hit.

[KillKrazy666]

wow ive had the book since it came out and ive already forgotton that rule hehe.

thanks

[circleofhypocrisy]

thankyou for using the HD camera/good camera for a change...

[bluetablepainting]

I have the Flip (the one used here) which is decent and the digital camera (which is terrible). The camera uploads super quick which is why I like it for the "better than nothing" updates.

[Kanvass1]

Cmon davey, get your act together son

[Kriegfreak]

Hopefully the new up coming Fantasy gen will fix some stuff.... or make it worse! Glad you guys had some fun with your game at least.

[bluetablepainting]

What I'm dreading about eight edition is that they will force the use of more Core units like they did in 40K (by making only Troops count as scoring) which I think is contrived. Just make Core good and people will take them. Renn plans on taking a ton more Skavenslaves for example.

[Lemmavs]

Too bad I have no idea about some stuff :p I play 40k :p

[Slanderbot]

Press the button Davy!

[coldnova]

A Shaggoth could be effective against the Furnace. What with the whole immunity to lightning.

[kevlonk]

2 Hydras and 3 Bolt Throwers....

....yeah, in spite of your conviction against crying cheese, Shawn...that was pretty cheesy.

[kartoffelnpommesgut]

But effective.

[cybergerbil]

what about a steam tank 2 10 man units of knights with chars and 30 handgunners 20 fleggelllants and a hellblaster and a cannon and 5 outrider?

[kevlonk]

Nah, its only truly cheesy if you have 2 Steam Tanks.

[KarmaHierro]

why a giant shawn!!

?????

xD

[manx5225]

was it skaven that had the giant, as dark elves cant take giants?

[Slanderbot]

Yes they can. as a DoW unit rare choice

[manx5225]

whats DoW, ive been playing warhammer, particualry dark elves for 3 years now and ive never seen or been told i can use a giant

[Chimpztheone]

DoW is Dogs of War.

Rare unit choices for hire.

[jonlindborg]

and yea for brokness and i play against vampire counts weekly,

[jonlindborg]

ruling question plague censur bearer unit of 5 vs a block of 5x4 5 being the front how many toufnes test does my opponent have to take

[VideoHunter137]

skaven are tough!!!!!!!!!