The cliff was roughly where the road lays today,it is agreed..it can be clearly seen on an areal footage,the "new" land is different in color and river mark is different before and after road or ancient cliff line.And this theory closely matches with Herodotus depiction of dimensions of passage.
I was just wondering where is the sea or somehwere that looks toward the sea that resembles a cliff. I understand the land has worn down over 2000 years but this area looks like a plain and I want to see at least how close the sea is?
You know, that's a "very" good question--one I was wondering about myself when I shot the
footage.
Basically, the ocean receded throughout the thousands of years since then. Leonidas' epitaph does mention the sea--I only translated a part of it, not all of it.
a comment to jarsia about the facts and numbers of the persian army...the grecopersian wars are writen by herototus!there is a fragment where he writes about the bridge that the persians constructed with their ships in the ellispontus straits and that the whole persian army needed 7 days and nights!!! to pass!that strait is minimum 2km long!so 7 days for 100000 to 250000 is not so quick!(maybe they had bad weather in that week???)and then we have the numbers of the persians in platea...
Why does no one remember the 7000 other greeks or the sea battle that helped them hold the pass? Or the 1000 Thespians who refused to leave and died with the Spartans? Unfair in the extreme or what?
Truth of the matter is that the data are not 100% conclusive. You must take into consideration that after the Persians were defeated in Greece their empire started to crumble. Persians in the millions; Spartans 300; Greeks about 4,000 and a small navy.
WORLD HEROES !!! always GREEKS !!! KING LEONIDAS (300 spartans) ZEUS (they fight against the world) SOKRATES (they fight against the world) ACHILLES (they fight against the world) PLATO (they fight against the world) DYONISOS (Greek phylosofi) ALEXANDER THE GREAT (the persian FUCKERS) KOLOKOTRONIS (the ottoman FUCKERS) and never forget we have others more than 1.000 HEROES! ZHTO ELLAS! MOLON LABE... !!!
bravo palikari to tragoudi katapliktiko aston afton na lei ti na evazes rap i techno this is pure greek music bravo re keep the greek blood flowin in ur veins kai min fovase tipota
Spartan mothers (according to tradition) would give their warrior sons their shield and they said: i tan i epi tas, which means "you will either hold it or you will be carried on it" since they used to carry the dead on their shield. This shows that even Spartan mothers were not sensitive but quite strong and had no problem seeing their sons dead as long as they fought like heroes.
this is really cool, i'm in mexico making a draw about greece for a competition, and i choose draw leonidas, someday i will go there and c it at live, thanks for the video(also i'm studing greek) efjaristo poli
Truth of the matter is that many people have always tried to minimize what the ancients Greeks have contributed to history. So be it. It's nothing but envy and ignorance.
Proud aren't we? Still, I'm don't try to minimize the Greeks contribution, any more than the Mongols or the Romans or anyone else that helped shape history. Actually the story of the Spartans is inspiring to me.
But the truth is we don't really know how many Persians there were. I'd say 200000-250000 at least, but I doubt more than 1000000.
"We don't really know how many Persians there were"?
Hmmm, it's not as if we can consult any history books to find out the truth. Oh wait, we can.
But that's not necessary when we have so many "historians" here assuring us what "really" happened and how minute the ancient Greeks' contribution was. Yup, "historians" putting the power of their public High School educations to work.
There is propaganda in all wars, and how can we really be sure of the exact details when it happened 2500 years ago. How do we know which historians are minimizing the battle, exaggerating it, or just plain mistaken. Let me put it differently, given what I know of ancient empires, I simply find it hard to believe that Persia could muster much more than 1 million.
Ok, now you're using cheap lawyer tricks--no offense intended. Anything "could" be biased. In this case, you have to look at the facts including any supporting evidence, etc.
This really sounds like an agnostic point of view where it's not possible to know everything and how dare we say the opposite. Basically, it's one the most used argument against the other historical issues including the Bible, Holocaust, etc.
Well, I was kinda offended(lawyer tricks, shudders)
I'm only saying that I have heard estimates ranging from 200,000-2,000,000. Now if you can give me a concrete reason to believe 1 more than the other, I'm open to the idea. Who gave the account of the battle. What's your source for that number and how do you know it's correct.
I think this should end now because if you say you were a bit offended then maybe down the road after a continued conversation you may really get offended.
I posted some videos here that represent my heritage. If you want to discount the history behind it that's fine but that doesn't really change the facts. So let's stop going back and forth because the focus should be my videos not whether you believe that Leonida's army was only a fraction of a number or whatever else.
Thanks for uploading the video, the greatest hero Leonidas.
I love Greece and its history, are wonderful
Isis8287 8 months ago
HAIL GREECE!
Iwillra 2 years ago
The cliff was roughly where the road lays today,it is agreed..it can be clearly seen on an areal footage,the "new" land is different in color and river mark is different before and after road or ancient cliff line.And this theory closely matches with Herodotus depiction of dimensions of passage.
zgibsy 2 years ago
I was just wondering where is the sea or somehwere that looks toward the sea that resembles a cliff. I understand the land has worn down over 2000 years but this area looks like a plain and I want to see at least how close the sea is?
limasite85 3 years ago
You know, that's a "very" good question--one I was wondering about myself when I shot the
footage.
Basically, the ocean receded throughout the thousands of years since then. Leonidas' epitaph does mention the sea--I only translated a part of it, not all of it.
DimitrisByDesign 3 years ago
a comment to jarsia about the facts and numbers of the persian army...the grecopersian wars are writen by herototus!there is a fragment where he writes about the bridge that the persians constructed with their ships in the ellispontus straits and that the whole persian army needed 7 days and nights!!! to pass!that strait is minimum 2km long!so 7 days for 100000 to 250000 is not so quick!(maybe they had bad weather in that week???)and then we have the numbers of the persians in platea...
tonysaveski 3 years ago
what song is that
uiopytrre 3 years ago
it's by a greek preformer
DimitrisByDesign 3 years ago
Why does no one remember the 7000 other greeks or the sea battle that helped them hold the pass? Or the 1000 Thespians who refused to leave and died with the Spartans? Unfair in the extreme or what?
MonarchyMan 4 years ago
Good point, bro...
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
In 1997 the 700 Thespians got a monument next to Spartan monument.
ordasf 3 years ago
Really? So why isn't it visible next to Leonidas' monument?
DimitrisByDesign 3 years ago
and this coming from someone who "worships" a monarch. God bless the queen? Nice reasoning, Einstein...ha, ha, ha...
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
´Ω ξεíν´, ´αγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονíοις ´οτι τηδε
κείμεθα τοîς κείνων ρήμασι πειθόμενοι.
qvey 4 years ago 2
In reality it was about 250,000 persians 7000 greeks and 300 Spartans. Great clip though thanks for the footage.
kevinmitchell300 4 years ago
Truth of the matter is that the data are not 100% conclusive. You must take into consideration that after the Persians were defeated in Greece their empire started to crumble. Persians in the millions; Spartans 300; Greeks about 4,000 and a small navy.
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
kagiales 4 years ago
Bravo! 5ari
8eemou 4 years ago
oreo
mouniakis18965 4 years ago
o leonidas mporei na pethane stis thermopyles alla tha zei aiwnia stis kardies ollon twn ellinwn
frankykamb21 4 years ago
Apolitos!
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
Nice video ~ a different background music could have been used tho ^^
moujinboo 4 years ago
what would you suggest?
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
bravo palikari to tragoudi katapliktiko aston afton na lei ti na evazes rap i techno this is pure greek music bravo re keep the greek blood flowin in ur veins kai min fovase tipota
Grkfighter84 4 years ago
efxaristo polli! :) thanks
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
File mou, apo ta pio oreo videos pou exo dei!!! Orea musiki
sven88s 4 years ago
Efxaristo polli gia ta eugenika sou logia!
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
and this coming from a loser living in american samoa..goodbye loser
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
the bravest act of History
No retry no surrender, death in the battlefield is the greatest glory that could achive in this life, this is Spantan code
EspartanoSE 4 years ago
euxaristo!
krazykowgirlut 4 years ago
great clip, great song and who gives a shit if there were 2mil or 200.000 men, in both cases spartans were heroes.
my respect
zujkilo
zujkilo 4 years ago
good point and good comment
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
i tan i epi tas
alxkarkas1992 4 years ago
what does this mean?
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
nevermind, where from greece you are?
zujkilo 4 years ago
Nea Smirni. I now live in California
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
Spartan mothers (according to tradition) would give their warrior sons their shield and they said: i tan i epi tas, which means "you will either hold it or you will be carried on it" since they used to carry the dead on their shield. This shows that even Spartan mothers were not sensitive but quite strong and had no problem seeing their sons dead as long as they fought like heroes.
panostsak 4 years ago
panostask, it was an anecdote which was then exaggerated and made a rule by todays "genious" western historians.
I agree with the rest of your post.
There are also many more anecdotes of strength of Spartan women.
zgibsy 2 years ago
I see, Zgibsy. Now greek history is anecdotal. Wonderful. These posts are getting so creative. Let's see what the next agnostic has to say.
DimitrisByDesign 2 years ago
i cry right now!!thank you MEGALE
MEGAPEGA 4 years ago
this is really cool, i'm in mexico making a draw about greece for a competition, and i choose draw leonidas, someday i will go there and c it at live, thanks for the video(also i'm studing greek) efjaristo poli
lecourtois21 4 years ago
hi, I would like to know which is the name of the song from this video? thank u!
lydya2elena 4 years ago
ena to helidoni by mikis theodorakis
tzagasdog 4 years ago
Eyxaristo poly!
lydya2elena 4 years ago
great work man...i want go to this place...to give honor to our heroes...anatrixiasa file....
blackberret 4 years ago
thank you for your kind words and viewing my video. Aksisi na pas...
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
i sparti den pethainei oi sparti deipni ston adi
voltaros 4 years ago
Zito h Sparta. Long live Sparta and Greece!
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
MOLWN LAVE!!!!
ZIX21 4 years ago
Amen, Brother!
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
1.7 million Persians? There is no way that Xerxes had that many men with him. At best, it was 250,000.
johnottr 4 years ago
You're more than welcome to rewrite history. Many others have so why not you?
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
dude there were 1 mil persians not 250000 go read some history
romanista31 4 years ago
Truth of the matter is that many people have always tried to minimize what the ancients Greeks have contributed to history. So be it. It's nothing but envy and ignorance.
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
It's nothing but envy and ignorance.
Proud aren't we? Still, I'm don't try to minimize the Greeks contribution, any more than the Mongols or the Romans or anyone else that helped shape history. Actually the story of the Spartans is inspiring to me.
But the truth is we don't really know how many Persians there were. I'd say 200000-250000 at least, but I doubt more than 1000000.
Jarsia 4 years ago
"We don't really know how many Persians there were"?
Hmmm, it's not as if we can consult any history books to find out the truth. Oh wait, we can.
But that's not necessary when we have so many "historians" here assuring us what "really" happened and how minute the ancient Greeks' contribution was. Yup, "historians" putting the power of their public High School educations to work.
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
There is propaganda in all wars, and how can we really be sure of the exact details when it happened 2500 years ago. How do we know which historians are minimizing the battle, exaggerating it, or just plain mistaken. Let me put it differently, given what I know of ancient empires, I simply find it hard to believe that Persia could muster much more than 1 million.
Jarsia 4 years ago
Applying your logic, or lack thereof, it's impossible to verify "any" history including the Bible, the revolutionary war in the states, etc.
Everything, then, is open to scrutiny and individual interpretation. Sounds rather unrealistic.
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
That's not exactly what I meant.
Ok, let me simply ask, given the circumstances, that the facts of this particular point in history COULD have been biased either way.
Jarsia 4 years ago
Ok, now you're using cheap lawyer tricks--no offense intended. Anything "could" be biased. In this case, you have to look at the facts including any supporting evidence, etc.
This really sounds like an agnostic point of view where it's not possible to know everything and how dare we say the opposite. Basically, it's one the most used argument against the other historical issues including the Bible, Holocaust, etc.
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago
Well, I was kinda offended(lawyer tricks, shudders)
I'm only saying that I have heard estimates ranging from 200,000-2,000,000. Now if you can give me a concrete reason to believe 1 more than the other, I'm open to the idea. Who gave the account of the battle. What's your source for that number and how do you know it's correct.
Jarsia 4 years ago
I think this should end now because if you say you were a bit offended then maybe down the road after a continued conversation you may really get offended.
I posted some videos here that represent my heritage. If you want to discount the history behind it that's fine but that doesn't really change the facts. So let's stop going back and forth because the focus should be my videos not whether you believe that Leonida's army was only a fraction of a number or whatever else.
Take care
DimitrisByDesign 4 years ago