Lithium Ion charges in 20 seconds!

[fairyheli2]

so with that charger you would need 50a input on 110v mains, for a 3s lipo, even 25a on british 220v mains seems a bit much, what sort of plug would you need for that charger?

[jameshoffmandude]

i was just wondering where you got that big heli hanging on the wall behind you

[WaWoWieWa]

/watch?v=-DcpANRFrI4&feature=r­elated

[pagani8]

I hope it works!

[jbvtr]

is it LiFePO4 battery?

[Logixmaster]

3:18 the bird!

[Joggy1314]

so boring!!!

[a4d2d0]

you sound too much like gordon b;oyer...I will be cautious...

[Nomoreidsleft]

So, any update on this Dave? With all the hybrid and electric cars out there you'd figure the car manufacturers would be jumping all over this new technology. There must be some kind of engineering and/or manufacturing obstacle for them to not be rolling out like hot cakes.

[DrMario2007baka]

aboos1993, it's possible, though. It depends on how intelligent the chargers charging this thing are, and what kind of ion implantation sheet (mostly metal ion, like magnanese or cobalt ions, and couple other things that goes in the making of the battery. And, you got it right on, the battery resistance's also important too.

[JRBeaman]

Lipo and Lithium Ion are not the same.

[DrMario2007baka]

20 second charging - a surest recipe for disaster... Hell, I won't do that. (I knew plentiful to know better: 15 minutes is the only fastest and safest time, which topping charge is skipped - typical charging time is usually 3 hours.)

[aboos1993]

@DrMario2007baka well of course...you wouldnt charge a traditional lipo battery in 20 seconds. the new material would allow charge to be delivered faster with less resistance so that means less heat.

[1521joe]

hi

can volt checker with alarms be plugged into a lipo battery thats installed why flying?

obviously when lvc is achieved the alarm kicks off and you hear it and land....do you ever use the batt checker in that way?

thanks

[spiceyvideo]

Those batteries sound phenominal to me! But what kind of a charger could provide the amps for such a quick charge? I don't think any charger could yet!

[Yefatbastard]

This must be why the current lipo batteries prices are coming down. soon as these hit the market they won't be able to sell the old ones. (no one will want them)

[dylanmabbott]

hello there this might sound like a dum question !! one of my friends the other day linked to batteries together off an ac adapter that had 9volt out and 250mah out would the batteries get half of that or would soming go wroung thanks alot by the way there ni-mh bats dylan abbott

[RcManiac282]

can you run these batteries in a new slash 4x4 1/10th scale?

[Afrocanuk]

Hello Dave, LiFePO4 is used in Lithium Ion-Phosphate batteries to replace the Cathode material. At the same time, another researcher; Dr.Yi Cui of Stanford University have found that relacing the Anode material in Li-Ion batteries with Silicon nano-wires increases the charge capacity 10X per given volume. Do you know anything about this?

[Broadcast1Channel]

Lithium-ion batteries are not necessarily the safest battery technology. Although the batteries are mandatorily required to have safety devices built in to them this is not always effective.

The big move now is towards developing lithium iron phosphate batteries because of there longevity, higher peak current capability and to reduce the danger associated with Lithium-ion thermal runaway.

[FXBA]

hahahahahaaaa

[Nightlord001]

Funny at 2:23 to 2:26. LOL

[bdrman2004]

im building a 18 volt drill motor powered electric car for my daughter, do you think this type of battery would be suitable?

My videos are posted here on you tube under bdrman2004.

Thank you for any help.

Misha Schmied

[derman077]

@bdrman2004 Power drill batteries are friggin awesome ! Look at what i did on the Fourth of July.

[Coodude26]

I can see it now.

"CHARGER SETTINGS:

VOLT: 11.1v (3s)

RATE: 500.0A"

[rik72779]

whoops, i meant "about li-po batteries", not new on li-po....sorry!

[rik72779]

wait i am confused. the title of the video says Lithium Ion, as does the article itself. however you said in the beginning new on  li-po... these are two different chemistries, no?

[whizbang47]

Suppose you slowed that rate down to 2-3 minutes and

saved your battery some cycles/life(?) 2-3 minutes would be very acceptable. Meanwhile we need bigger cells. 2300s are not enough for .40 size airplanes. You go to 2paralell and they weigh too much.

[sijmenjan]

Hey, this music is from 3dgameman

[videocruzer]

The article I read some time ago stated thats 2 guys from mit had found a way to charge nano phosphate batteries at 200-400c. it was said that they had alterd the chemistry of the Li-on M1 cell (2300mah A123) so it could be charged in 10-20 seconds. Also discharged at 200-400c. 460-920 amps from a 71g cell. EV with this could go 500 miles on a 5 minute charge. and more R&D was needed as the cells would only hold up for about 60 cycles.

[warren52nz]

I don't see any reason why this won't happen. It wasn't many years ago that they were saying electric helicopters were impractical yet now they outperform the gas models.

The problem I see, especially with real vehicles is the current it would take to dump this much energy into a battery in such a short period of time. His comment about needing thicker wires is presumably all about that little issue.

Lets say a car has 1,000 amp hour batteries. A 30 second charge would need 120,000 amps!!

[cypher954]

@warren52nz

isn't that getting close to like military grade weapons...hahaha

[warren52nz]

Haha. And of course that's only ONE car! Think of a whole country with that sort of demand!

[TheNextBigThing2014]

Give it five years, 'krazeddrummer' the main innovation is the battery, not the charger.

[krazeddrummer]

Won't happen... for all the years we've had NiCd, NiMh, small phase of rechargeable Alkaline, Sealed Lead Acid, now Li-Ion, and LiFe... yea you will not get a true full charge in 20 secs. Will not.

This 'krazeddrummer' is also a battery tech. It won't be Li-Ion as the chemistry to do it.

[TheNextBigThing2014]

ok well whatever you say then.....i am curious to know what a 'battery tech' is, do u make or design these things?

[qrrak]

waste of bytes

[thebruiser2003]

hi Dave Garry here from Bolton UK

interesting to here about the news lets hope it happens soon

by the way noticed you stuck you chest out at the end there is that a nighflyer t shirt if so i want one please ps will pay of course

[monster271]

lol......looking a little flat chested these days......LOL

[1stPlaceDirector]

Wow, a battery that will charge in 20 seconds. It sounds too good to be true, so we'll see. Imagine how nice that would be for electric bikes and scooters or even electric cars.

[coinbite]

i wish you were my gradfather

[retsnom92]

Hey nightflyyer I think my esky charger is broken... When i plug my charger in and start charging my battery everything is fine. red is soled and green is blinking but when i left it on all night the green was off and the red was blinking...

[scottytheace]

Hey Dave (and anyone with a Belt-CP) i have a question about battery compattability. My esky LiPO has been 'retired' and i am looking to buy a new battery. i cannot find one exactly matching the Esky's specs (1800mAH and 20C). can i SAFELY use a 2200mAH, 25C in a standard Belt-CP.

[sickler4201]

That's quite a board of chargers you have there!

[minititan10]

hi nightflyer,please help!! having just replaced my plastic head on my king 2 with an all alloy one the helicopter now wont take off at all ! Any help or advice would be great, thanks..

[NightFlyyer]

Too much pitch or too little pitch will do that. Also make sure blades are on the right way. Is motor running up to full speed?

[Aphony66]

@minititan10

I dont have nearly as much know how or experience as Dave but after you installed the new head you would have had to check your pitch collective at 0% , 50% and 100 % throttle. Normally the pitch is about between -2 to -5 Deg at 0%. about 5 Deg at 50% and about 10Deg at 100%. have you checked that yet...?

[olteancr]

did u just show us the FINGER at the end ???lol

[ra3or]

no, he didnt flip u off, it was "2 fingers crossed"

[NightFlyyer]

Of course not. People only see what they want to see. LOL.

[littleseanx]

that was funny but no it was fingers crossed :O

[justlivemyway]

Yes he did that ...lol! !!

[Ayoobmarafie]

@olteancr yes he did flip us up

[GrateGenin]

Must be expensive then :P

[Freddythethird]

is the discharge quicker? or is it the same run time?

[NightFlyyer]

It can discharge quicker too, so it will be a good one.

[Brettvella1984]

they would discharge quicker , but only if required to, a battery of this new kind with the same mah as a regular battery would last the same time as a regular one under the same loads,,

[jimprice09]

you look like MR Wilson

[catola]

greath ...funny man :) and "good" flyer :)

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks.

[beverke7]

hey Dave, graat news indeed, it was in the Belgian newspapers as well. Please note that the professor Gerbrand Ceder is from this little country Belgium like me ! Yes sir, we are proude of it =:-) . Of course he and is MIT team (very smart people by the way) found it so it is a joint Belgium-USA effort . Looking forward to saving some time charging those Lipo batteries for sure.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks kindly. I cant wait too.

[paulocapelo]

Hi Dave, you realy like this. I do like it a lot too, but i'm more related W/ rc boats.

Please tell me, this LI-ION batteries are the same as LI-PO? I belive it´s not, but i´d like to have your opinion.

Thanks in advaced.

Cheers,

Paulo

[NightFlyyer]

Lipos use Poly for insulators, and Lithium Ion is the catalyst for both. They are in the same family.

[paulocapelo]

Thank you.

[pazman1117]

I am glad you take the time to show us all. I have learned alot from your videos. I also like the music. Keep it up !

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks kindly sir.

[LuisManuel30096]

Dave, I really like your reviews, tips & tricks. Could you please turn the music off when you are presenting so I can hear you better?

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks. Sorry.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks very much. I think we are going to see some amazing advancements in battery technology in the next few years for sure, especially for ev's.

[GODLYHUMAN]

mit rules

[NightFlyyer]

Yes,

[raisethepot]

Keep your fingers crossed lol. Gang sign? Crossed fingers? something else? you be the judge. Best video yet but for different reasons than I like the flying and review vids. 3:16

[NightFlyyer]

Thans much.

[raisethepot]

He pulled a Don Rickles at 2:21

[GODLYHUMAN]

lmao

[NightFlyyer]

LOL

[elfranz]

this is engineering! thanks for sharing!

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks.

[sprintrjm]

good video, but please leave the jokes to the comedians.

The jokes and sthick are nearly unbearable.

[NightFlyyer]

Your the only one who complained.

[airlinerdude12]

well, lithium ion is heavier than lipo.

can this charge lithium polymer as well???

[SexyToshi]

Only limitations I can think of is that we need stronger, reliable, longer lasting motors for RC if we can play for hours...

[NightFlyyer]

Haha, Well I still believe in my "5-10" rule. You know fly for 5 minutes and let the brain and motor cool for 10.

[FREAK9364]

RC BREAKTHROUGH

[NightFlyyer]

YEA!

[piwright42]

Dave that is great news thank you for sharing this with us. That bit with the Elvira cutout was classic, thanks for making me laugh as well.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks very kindly.

[SaskView]

Great news, NF!

Just chuckling about the crossed fingers...it's all in eye (and mind) of the beholder!

[NightFlyyer]

LOL Thanks Your right.

[projectcyclopsrpv]

Can't wait:)

[nibbler125]

maby these will be as common as normal lipos

[omendesign]

so in 2011 im gonna pay $120 for a 500mah 3s! but i can fly all day with one battery!

[NightFlyyer]

And all night. I paid already $90 for a 4 cell Lipo and it still only works about 8 minutes.

[helicopterkid1996]

Haha dave. I caught you hidden message.

[NightFlyyer]

Which is?

[23tstang]

the nerve!! how dare you flick me o... what?.... you say hee.... but it looked lik.......

...ohhhh.... well then... um .... yeah

lol thats really cool about the batteries!!!

[NightFlyyer]

Crossed fingers, not flipped off.

[NightFlyyer]

LOL Thanks.

[GoEflight]

HAHA! where is the Jeff Martin cardboard figure! lolollol haha

[NightFlyyer]

I think Elvira looks better. LOL.

[GoEflight]

no kidding!

[imusbbored76]

3:18 another "Herbert" classic moment.

[NightFlyyer]

LOL

[supertommy33]

thanks for the TECH news!!

[NightFlyyer]

Thank you.

[DevilmanTNT]

Lol, what about airplanes and helicopters...

Thanx for the update, Dave, it's always nice to hear about new technology, especially practical technology. Be nice if this happens soon, more flying, less waiting will be welcomed by all of us, i'm sure!

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks much. Lets hope so.

[fpsvincent142]

im going to MIT when i get older

[NightFlyyer]

Good for you. Pick me up a few batteries will ya?  LOL.

[girrocks12345]

This really is amazing. I would be able to fly hours at the field! I would just plug the battery into my car charger for 30 seconds, and throw it back into whatever aircraft im flying! This is great! Let's hope that this technology is going to be implamented in RC!

[NightFlyyer]

So true. It will be neat.

[horizonflyer9]

Yeah i have always hated needing to wait 40 minutes to an hour for my battery to charge. Then if I am charging multiple batteries (I only have 1 charger) it takes hours! It's really aggravating and I hope that this new technology could be used soon to make lipo batteries more efficient and charge faster. cool video!

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks. Me too. I can hardly wait.

[outlaw662sr]

Thanks i didnt know all that its new stuff all around the world us old folks have to get use to lol i remember the ones with the string with the motors i use to have a plane when i was a kid lol and look what we have today!!!! thanks for the Info

[NightFlyyer]

LOL Your so right. Makes me feel old.

[alexmun133]

at 3:18 pause it it looks like he flicks off the camera hahaha

[xmodscarbonslost]

LMFAO! it does look like he is giving us the "bird" lol.

[seth364]

LOL, whew i almost died laughing when you pulled out that alivra chick

[NightFlyyer]

LOL

[billgetsmail1]

alright lets go fly fly fly all day and night ....looks like ill need some back-up motors because ill be burnining them up YA-YOOO... dave on the cutting edge.. thank you !

[NightFlyyer]

LOL Thanks kindly. Im ready for the night flying for sure.

[speedstakerguy]

sweet... 10 minute flight time.. 20 second charge? that would be awsome but might be expensive?

[RacerLamboMurcie18]

they said longer flight times too, because less weight i tihnk

[NightFlyyer]

True.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks. Lets hope not too expensive.

[tab1257]

Isn't this already happening with A123 cells? or are they much different?

[NightFlyyer]

They cannot be fast charged like this.

[jvandervalk]

this would be great for electric cars!

[NightFlyyer]

How true.

[nascarfan383]

Dave does this mean that us RC heli flyers wont have to wait 2-3 hours for our heli's batter to charge...it will only take less then a minute?

[NightFlyyer]

Yes, that is the prediction,.

[startazz]

Yeah it's got me thinking now lol and how sweet would it be if we get them and thanks for shearing Dave,5*

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks. Yep it will be sweet.

[ElroyHarvey]

If that fast charge translates the other way too imagine the C rating you could get off those batterys! Sounds awesome, It's just up to them now i suppose if they take this further or concentrate on another technology. I do recall hearing a whilst back though that lithium supplys are getting low now and it is expected to run out in a few years i forget how many, so maybe they won't go down this route??? Who knows. Cheers dave informative vid.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks kindly. Lets hope they get some rc batteries made then before the Lithium runs out.

[607819]

that would be great, im looking forward to those batteries

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks,

[THXeleven38]

Dave:

Good thing you only have the cardboard cutout of Elvira(a.k.a Cassandra Peterson), she would have slapped you silly for that wisecrack.

Warning: Watch those fingers.

[NightFlyyer]

LOL  I was watching those fingers....LOL,

[Free07Style]

Interesting point, thanks Dave. The problem I see is the charging current and power. If you charge a 5000mAh LiPo with 5A for 1 hour (3600 seconds), you would need a charger that supports about a 1000A and about 10-20kW for 20 seconds. Those are industrial values and a regular house in Switzerland doesn't provide this much power for the whole house. Further, this high currents are quit dangerous to handle and a minor problem can result in burning down the house.

[Free07Style]

But we can be happy if it results in 10-minute charge instead of 1 hour and at currents between 30A to 40A which is more realistic and still very nice...

[NightFlyyer]

Agreed.  Thanks.,

[NightFlyyer]

Haha. Well you certainly dont need that big of charger. If it charges in 10 minutes, that would be fine too.

[Liowen]

wouldn't the faster charge rate though effect the life of the battery? More charging = more usage = shorter life? Meaning basically that you would have to replace them more often.

[piwright42]

I got the impression that the tunnels used by the ions would not just let the ions to travel faster but would offer less resistance to the passage of those ions. If that is the case there should be an improvement in how many times the battery could be charged as well.

[NightFlyyer]

Very true theory. I agree.

[NightFlyyer]

That I dont know,but if it charged for say 500 times, I would not be unhappy, if it only took 20 seconds. Keep the fingers crossed.

[kapitanC]

thanx for sharing sir. good thing to know that ep gonna last :)

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks much.

[exiledconnections]

bigger wires omg like 5 ga wires lol thats pretty interesting thought

[NightFlyyer]

Yes,

[qsecgtyhd]

the best part about news like this to me is that our current battery technology which is working fine for a mojority of applications will only continue to get cheaper as they further improve on these batts.

[NightFlyyer]

Hopefully.

[bobbybob3680]

did he just flip the bird at me on 3:17? lol

[NightFlyyer]

Fingers crossed, as I said in the vid. LOL

[azh01e]

just sends your imagination wild, doesn't it. WOW!!!

loved the extra humor in the show. HA!

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks very kindly. I appreciate that

[youtwoba]

I would have to get more planes then :)

[NightFlyyer]

Yes, there will be a lot more crashed ones too., LOL

[Skydive4ever]

:-) That will change the hobby for sure, gosh, in a few years we'll be saying "Son, when I was your age, it used to take us AN HOUR to charge them LiPo's" lol

[josephgrovers]

Haha, so right.

[NightFlyyer]

LOL So true.

[allgunzsblazen]

wonder how long it will take before it hits market ,,few year out ya think?

[NightFlyyer]

Soon, I hope, maybe next year.

[RCplanes102]

WOW,WOW,WOW!!! Increadible! if could charge a plane or heli Lipo that fast life would be great!

[NightFlyyer]

So true

[davidfx16gts]

WOW!WOW!WOW! I'll be first in line for this.

[NightFlyyer]

Second....Im already in line. LOL.

[YupHio]

Awesome!

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks,.

[jersonvzor]

very good news dave it would be awesome if it would only took that much to charge a normal rc plane battery

[NightFlyyer]

Agreed.  Thanks.

[JaSeY963]

Excellent news Dave =) Hope that technology can make it to our rc toys =) Cheers for the update.

[NightFlyyer]

Thanks kindly.