Japanese Street Fighter 4 Tournament 1st Match: ヨシヲ (Gulie) ＶＳ モヒカン(Zang)

[gudguy89]

smart play...that's how you beat zangief...keep using sonic bewn and hadouken towards him...don't let him get close to you because if he does...then u'll be finish by his wrestling slam

[XxFierxX]

ta que malo ese zangief!!

[KanameTousen]

do it one more time and your blocked

[TheBumbino]

zangief player sucks..

[jeezulz]

i never understood zangeifs glove move, unless you EX It you become completely open to counters.

[KanameTousen]

he can step around projectiles most of the time with it and the damage it dose especially when comboed with say power bomb or pile driver or even just lariat could cost some one anywhere from 1/8th to 1/3rd their health if every move is exed

[TheBumbino]

it also pretty much moves faster then zangief walking it allows you to move in very quickly

[Goodguy33]

I think it's funny at 1:50 he suddenly starts dodging Sonic Booms with the spinning attack, and then keeps doing it...as if he just found out you could do it! XD

[KanameTousen]

naw he just knows it's a broken move

[evix88]

u cant rly play offensivly with guile, hes a beast at defense though

[sevenheadedmirror]

CAMPER!!!!!!!!

[KanameTousen]

it's called turtling it's got it's weaknesses but yeah flash kick reqiures you to hold down

[KrazeDiamond]

You can't play Guile any other way you dumb ass. Obviously you're a noob so just shut up.

[KanameTousen]

....calm down

[ThePsychoCrusher89]

that's how you play against Geif too

[KanameTousen]

I got in a geif's ass with Guile and won! Gulie's got some range with his normal punches and kicks especially some of his Foward kicks

[megamatt13]

yeah, keep your distance

[KanameTousen]

Sagat mostly has 6/4s and 7/3s (In his favor) on Tier list which is built by having players of similar skill play each other

[bigfelon]

ive been playing street fighter for 15 years, of coarse it should be easy to pull off projectile attacks for anyone. the moves have been the same for years with a couple of new moves added here and there . i will say its a little easy to pull them of in sf4.

[KanameTousen]

yeah but spamming them is annoying still

[Martialsmash]

its been like that for several years is not a good reason for it to be like that now (in general). You gotta provide another reason.

[KanameTousen]

it actually is a good reason because if you know street fighter history you know the hadouken in SF1(the original one where ryu had red hair) was so hard to pull off but in SF2 it made it easier like all other characters but still it was a gift in battle SSF2T they choose to add the advantage of being able to do a super version of it SF3 the ablility to EX it and parry it, SF4 a way to asborb it. so while projectiles are annoying they're a stable ofof the series

[theedwardian]

Please! Guile literally only has two special moves, he's a defensive character- that's how you play with him. (though some may argue that his awesome regulars should count as special moves)

Also- Sonic Boom's are literally unspammable- because you have to charge to throw another one. Compared to Sagat or the Shoto users, it's more than fair.

[KanameTousen]

yeah but against some one like Rufus it's unfair

[theedwardian]

I wouldnt say unfair- maybe to this player.

but skilled players can get through projectile attacks in multiple ways. Like using Rufus's spin or Dash Cancel

[KanameTousen]

but against not as skilled players or skilled players that don't usually face some one who just spams projectiles Rufus's spin is effective but dash cancel only absorbs one hit still and Sagat get's projectiles out the fast and has both low and mid projectiles which gives him an edge over most

[KanameTousen]

It's not noobish it's basic

[TheXbutton]

in a correct manner keeping distance and staying back. His few pokes that he did was risky as they were... sonic booming at some of the ranges were risky because of a EX Green Glove (Which would go right through the sonic boom and damage guile alot, plus open him up to do command throws)...

You can't be mad that he was "Spamming" projectiles... otherwise the guile would've lost.

[KanameTousen]

Thanks for explainning

[TheXbutton]

doing a "N00bish" tactic in a tournament won't ruin your reputation. It just shows someone can't get around it. Besides, its against zangief... you want to keep your distance game going because its suicide to do a close game with 'gief. A good 'gief player can break through and standard jab combo and turn it into a pile driver (Which for guile is a good 10% of his health). And you can rush a 'gief because his lariet has way too much priority over most moves. The Guile played (cont)

[KanameTousen]

Still it's an effective one that wins the game which is the point of a tournament

[KanameTousen]

by your standards people consider camping near the flag or in a place where you could kill some one trying to take the flag in an FPS a lame tactic but it's an effective tactic that works alot of the time

[KanameTousen]

projectiles can't be abused and it's a tactic

[tekken000]

Smoke 'em if you got'em

[KanameTousen]

That's right as long as Hadouken and Sonic Boom and all other projectile attacks can be pulled off easily in a street fighter game everyone will use them to death

[tekken000]

People just make up excuses cuz they suck...Personally I don't believe in these high and low tiers...It's all in the mind...They are playing tricks and fooling themselves you can beat anybody with anyone as well.

[KanameTousen]

Not really because there are advantages among characters such as Sagat has both a low and high projectile that come out faster then any other and all just has insane strength in normal attacks. anyway it's been proven that all characters are made differently with defense and stun meters as well as movement speeds and attack strengths so there are tiers. you can beat any character but dosen't mean the players skilled because if u faced Daigo and both of u use Ryu and he wins that's skill

[tekken000]

Right Right...word on that.

[RottingYoda]

I believe the walls between tiers are a little less defined in SFIV but they are certainly still present. Its hard to dispute Sagat as not being high to godlike tier.

[KanameTousen]

you are right most match ups in SF4 with everyone beside Sagat are mainly 5/5 matches(out of 10)

[Tsukuyomi01]

Sheesh, I'm always scared to go against Guile with Zangief in SFII, I'll probably be scared over here in SFIV too...

[Nexx]

Sarcasm button must be off today.  :P

[KanameTousen]

Just tried of all the fucking nerfing talks and stupid fucking comments so don't worry but yeah it was off

[terrarune]

Way to spam Sonic Boom there, Guile.

[KanameTousen]

It's a tactic to keep him at a distance that works dosen't matter if you spam it you can still jump over it if you want

[terrarune]

The way I see it? Any tactic can be worked around. Sure, there are tons of 'cheap' manuvers to the untrained eye but every approach can be broken. One of the things I go by is that if you're cornered, it's your job to get out of it. If you're being constantly grabbed, you'd better shift your defense. Do something. Think on the fly.

[KanameTousen]

Keeping some one away with projectiles seems like a good tactic until you have more time to play the game (which has only been out since september)

[JustinRyukyu]

Do you know how much damage Zeng does? You would spam it too.

[terrarune]

Hell yes I would. Safest way to go.

[KanameTousen]

Look really closely now at how much damage Zang did with a SINGLE HIT @ 19 and that was a weak kick

[downthesun01]

Would you rather Guile walk up to Geif and let him spinning piledrive him repeatedly? Have you ever even played Street Fighter?

I bet you're one of those that cries cheater when you get tick thrown..

[terrarune]

Jesus Christ--we all know how Zan works with certain enemies and how people have to take the initiate in exploiting his weaknesses by playing keep-away.

Where it was good to see a Guile player that puts on good fight, I've seen better.

We all have different approaches and perspectives on how these characters should be utilized effectively. Projectile-spamming is one of the ways to safely take down the Zangief. Or is it that you are unfamiliar with the idea of an opinion?

[TrollCapAmerica]

I think people misinterpreted your comment as bashing him for overusing Sonic Booms.Its worded like alot of comments on youtube by whiners so its easy to misinterpret

[terrarune]

That's true--I should think before I put those comments down. Otherwise it sounds like uneducated whining.

[Nexx]

... yeah, he should only throw. Wait, that's illegal too. How about harsh words. Yep. That would work better.

[KanameTousen]

Throws aren't illegal last time I checked

[LastQuaker]

Guile is Looks Like Son of a Bitch! OnLY sonic boom L2P MORONS

[BRUNOxTRiFORCE]

magia

[KanameTousen]

? what was that

[ThundercatVIII]

Think it means magic?

[KanameTousen]

okay.....*looks out close C and A are on a Keyboard*....yeah that's what he was trying to say

[ThundercatVIII]

I meant in spanish, Mr. cut off Grimmjow's arm and then BBQ it. XD

[KanameTousen]

Well I'm sorry Lion-O, THUNDER CATS HO!. anyway I don't know Spanish other then what rank 1st-10th are in Spanish and Hollow and world oh yeah that Pantera the word is spanish

[ThundercatVIII]

Yeah I know all the espada's releases are in spanish lol

[KanameTousen]

Cool

[ThundercatVIII]

I'm assuming that you'll be getting Street Fighter IV when it comes out, which system will you be getting it for?

[KanameTousen]

PS3

[ThundercatVIII]

Oh fuck yeah! Mind if I add you?

[KanameTousen]

Go ahead

PSN: Greylynx

You'll see me playing with Blanka or Dhal maybe Dan