I love how Mordred was portrayed in the book Mists of Avalon...I hated him in the movie version...instead of a great and intelligent priest of Avalon you have a spoiled brat.
I always thought that Morgana in a act of revenge against arthurs father who slept with her mother in the guise of own dead father did the same appearing to Arthur as Quenivere
This is one of the greatest videos ever made about Mordred Le Fay/ Pendragon. I love the song so much!!!! It conveys the entire story of Mordred in almost 4 minutes! And the pictures you chose were superb! I love all the different portrayals of Mordred. Evil Counsel in Saxon or Betrayal/Betrayed One in Celtic! His name even tells you all you need to know!
Great job on the video. I didn't mean to prattle on!
This probably means that As she watches her son grow up shes watching him become stronger as his hatred for Arthur grows. The Flesh of her soul means Mordred and that he will end up dying as he fights for the birthright Arthur took from Morgana. Am I right? Never really read the full legend.
@OrihimeInoue1221 The lyrics are "Child of my Body/Flesh of my Soul". Morgana was suppose to be Queen. She was the then-kings only child. When Uther came alone he knocked her mother up with a male child. That child automatically became the Heir Apparent. In early versions Morgana didnt know she was banging her own brother, but in latter ones she did. Either way Author had a son for the throne and still married Gwen to try creating a different heir. I'd be pissed too!
This is supposed to b from morgan le fay's perspective, i know, (like the line 'my brother the traitor) but whos she talkin bout wen she ways 'for u are the proof of how he betrayed her'?
Presumably because Mordred, being the illegitimate son of Arthur and Morgan, is the proof of how Arthur betrayed Guinevere (i.e., by having slept with and had a child with another woman) ... although most versions of the tale would have it that Mordred was conceived prior to Arthur and Guinevere's marriage.
Good point! Of course, to confuse the issue more, you then have the versions where Morgan kept Mordred a secret, and Arthur knew nothing of him until he showed up at Arthur's court as a young man. LOL So I guess it's all in what each person views as Arthurian canon. I'm not sure if you've seen the new television show "Merlin" at all, but THEY give the legend an entirely NEW twist. It's rather interesting to see what they're doing with it.
@Tancid oooOOoooo...I shall have to look into this new series ;) I took an Arthurian Literature course in college...and Tancid you are quite correct! There are several versions and variations of the Arthurian legend all ranging in between the older celt/pagan versions to the "newer" Christianized ones. Not many know that the "courtly love" theme in the later Arthurian tales originated in France and came to England via Eleanor of Aquitaine, and that Lancelot had been a French addition.
But He didnt know about the child being his, or that there was even a child. So the fact that Mab/His mother knew and used it to their greedy advantage was not the fault of Arthur.
Oh I know & different versions of the legend put different spins on it. I was speaking from the mind-set of the time. back then it didn't matter if you knew about it or not, it could still have been seen as a betrayal in early Christian mindset, but I think it was more because of the fact that Gwen was barren, it was like mud in her eye. Mordred also embodies Arthur's conflicts between the still prevalent pagan culture and the rising and inexorable power of Christianity .
@SisterOfDoubt Arthur was married to Guenevere when he slept with Morrigan (his sister) who was disguised at the time. Mordrid is Morrigan's son... yeah...
The book I AM MORDRED by Nancy Springer was a really good story from Mordred's point of view.
There were several versions of the King Arthur myth, most of them differ on who Mordred's mother was (Morgan Le Fay or Morgause) and her exact relation to Arthur (sister or aunt). And on how he was taught to think of Arthur. In several of the versions, he adored Arthur, and actually was working to become part of the round table. Also, he was commonly depicted as being raised by his aunt.
Yeah its about how Mordred is king Arthurs son and how his mother, King Arthurs half-sister, is raising him to get revenge on Arthur for apprently taking the crown from her.
his mother want the throne? wouldn't his father inherit the throne anyway, isn't king Arthur the next in the line for the throne and now Mordred mother? was Mordred raise outside of knowing his father, because it sound like he can not kill his own father.
He didnt know Arthur was his father until he was about 15. But Arthur tried to kill him when he was a baby. And They had different dads and their mother only had one boy. its complicated
Because Merlin told him if he didnt kill Mordred that Mordred would kill him. In some versions they actualy kill each other in this huge battle. Pretty sad if you ask me.
aww, father and son. this was never meant to be, evil always live in the hearts of living beings. But it wasn't their fault, wasn't it plan out by the mother?
Not in the end. Mordred hated his father. He is the one, well in one version, that told Arthur anout his wife and lancelot. Its a fucked up story actually.
woha! I didn't know anything about this version of the story... well, there are plenty of, but this is so new to me! Thank you for telling! :) Happy new year!
Awesome video,even more touching with the pictures...this is by far one of the best vids ive seen yet with this song...faved...thanks you made my night
Y'know, even though Mordred was the bad guy, I can't help but feel sorry for him because he was born with no purpose of his own other than to serve his mother's vengeful ambition.
Again, all the films are listed in the closing credits. =)
There are many, many books on the subject of Mordred (a/k/a Medraut), King Arthur, and Camelot. One of the best-known is "The Once and Future King" (pub. 1958) by T.H. White. For a more comprehensive list of reading material, Wikipedia is your friend. ;)
I adore this song! When i have kids I am so singing this to them every night. they won't even understand what it means until they're oldre, and it's just so pretty and hypnotically calming.
This song reminds me of the book 'I am Mordred' by Nancy Springer. It's a fantastic book about Mordred's point of view. I recommend anyone who likes Arthurian legends, or this song to read that book.
i read that book as well i agree with your words. All stories all seem to condem Mordred but 'I am Mordred" let you get a idea of his view so read the book before you judge.
Morgana witnessed the conception of her half brother arthur by Uther as his army slaughtered her father. Her vengence was aimed at Merlin and Mordred was blood heir to the throne. He was a tool to her. No women should be named david or morgan.
I think the point of the song is that he was taught from birth that his only loyalty was to be to his mother. And that he was to view his father as a usurper and traitor that deserved to die, But I would love to hear his side of the story he is painted as a villen no mater the form of the legend you look at. It would be interesting to hear his side of things as they say En Media Veritas. The truth is in the middle
They need to make a movie about Mordred's side of the Arthurian legends. There is more substance to explain what he does. hell, If I found out my father banged his own sister to create me while he was also married, I'd be pissed too! even if my mother didn't raise me to be evil i'd hate him
Mordred is my favorite character of the Arthurian myth. He is a victim of circumstances, he did not ask to be the incestuous son or Arthur and (Morgause, Morgaine, whoever). And his father is the evil one. I was so shocked when I learned Arthur sent to their doom a ship full of babies to get rid of his shameful son. Maybe Mordred is not good but he has reasons and is father is not the good king he's supposed to be.
Being a good KING isn't the same as being a good Father. He unified Britain into a single nation and stopped the fighting between the Angles and the Saxons and defended them all against the Norse. From that perspective, he was a good King.
Theres a mix of movies here - Camelot, Excalibur, The Mists of Avalon, and Merlin - all of which tell different versions of the King Arthur legend. Mordred was the son of King Arthur and his sister. In every version I've seen/read, he doesnt know it was his sister. In some versions she does and in some she doesnt.
These films relate the rise & fall of the Utopian kingdom of Camelot, ruled by Arthur & Guinevere. It is Guinevere's illicit affair with Arthur's cherished friend Sir Lancelot du Lac which begins to undermine the idyll, & when Mordred (Arthur's bastard son) exposes it publically, the kingdom is shattered. There are, of course, numerous other details to the myth, but that's the bare bones version.
This song (& video) assume the viewpoint of Mordred's mother.
I named my daughter Morgan. I saw Excalibur on cable when I was seven or eight when my parents weren't around. I was obsessed with all things King Arthur and Chivalry since then and Morgan was always one of my favorite names.
Some authors said it was Morgan's and Arthur's son, other said it was Morgause's and Lot's son. Other legends say it was Morgan's son but it grew up with Morgause's children. There is a large choice of versions, just take which you prefer XD
Actually, the last version you mentioned, I think, says that Morgause is Morgana's sister, and that Mordred is son of King Arthur and Morgause: so Morgana is not "evil", Morgause is. But this version is not so popular: it is because people united the two characters of Morgana and Morgause. You know, i prefer this story because I like Morgana!
it is notso easy when you have orally-transmitted tradition: you have a lot of version. For example, how many people think that the one who discovered the Grahal was "Percefal"? The other half think that it was Galahad, Lancelot's son... XD There is a lot of choice.
Well, Perceval discovered the Graal ;) But he failed in saving the King Pelles...in Fact both of them found the Graal but Galahad was the chosen one :)
I think it's a picture taken from The Mists of Avalon, a movie based upon the book by Marion Zimmer Bradley. It's Morgaine (or Morgan le Fey) and Arthur.
Specifically, adding to what Evamitchelle said, it's the ceremony of the Marriage of Arthur to the land....not a Christian thing clearly. He is the King Stag, and Morgan le Fey is the Goddess....obviously they do what they do, and in the morning after doing it again, they realize with horror who each other is. They couldnt tell, but Morgan realizes its her baby brother Arthur. Needless to say, they were pretty freaked....
The song is a lullaby, soemthing you sing to your infant or child. He began guileless and innocent but his mother slowly made him into the instrument of her revenge and he did eventually becoming full of guile in many tales. But he did not start that way.
To me, Merlin has been the definitive film depicting the legends of King Arthur, but, I have to say that one looks pretty good. Their Mordred appears he could be a bit more sypathetic, but I could be wrong
Mordred truly is one of the most tragic characters in mythology. He oculd hav ebeen so much more than a tool of vengeance, but his mother ate his psyche, poisoned him.
that is the view point of this vid yes. t.h. white also takes that view.
but im not convinced that is the view point of the orignal legends.
they saw him as the tritor. plain and simple. we tend to view mordred as an oedipus in some ways. modern views have made mordred an antihero. whereas alot of older legends he was a plain villen. allthough intrestingly in one version mordred morns the death of gawain and is sad that he has torn apart the round table. (alitrative mort d arthur)
Hello. Geoffrey of Monmouth chronicled his own speculations. His AND Mallory's writings were heavily Christianized&influenced by the age of chivalry& Roman culture. What Arthur symbolizes as the King/God married to the land/goddess and his abilities to overcome supernatural creatures and heal the land come from his being "the true king."
thats a bit of the neopagan view. that arthur is married to an earth goddess. but not one on the orginal legends. people often say that malory is christianized. but i really dont think they are really reading it carefuly enough. the vulgat version, which was malory's source, had its christian influence true. but notice how quickly malory goes over the grail quest. maroly tells of romantic tales and at times he even saterises them. and shows that not all heros are perfect.
It is not just neopagan. I did study this a bit more in depth in college. And of course, like most people who feel the story personally affects them, have been fascinated by all aspects of the story. have my less favorite versions to be sure. I was never able to get into Mists of Avalon for instance because it was so damn depressing. And it is not neopagan so much as it is about celtic culture, bardic tradition that interests me, and symbolism. Antiheros are not just modern.
The movie was not as depressing as the book, I''ll give you that. But the book was damn depressing. And the killing fields IS depressing. So is the Constant Gardner, but it has elements of beauty.
all of things that are considered sad have beuty... course the Mists of Avalon had moments in both book and movie where you laugh too. without sadness, joy has no meaning, and a meaningless joy means a world not worth living. Course, I'm not saying seek out sorrow, but do remember that it serves a purpose and has a place
I think I made a mistake in saying it is Chirstianized I suppose. In that many saints are old gods, etc. Just different manifestations. I think there was more than one arthur, real arthurs, uthers. And mallory did live in Christian times and Chivalry. Chivalry was a big deal, it really changed the way men and women (at least of the upper classes:) dealt with each other.
remember this in geoffery mordred takes the kingdom and queen. how much quinever is a part of this plot geoffery himself is silent about. remeamber this is before there was a lancelot. malory uses the Stanzaic morte and another Morte version for his sources. here quinever is clearly 'faking it' however in one early source, she has mordred's kid. and in one arthur dreams that mordred and guinever destroy his hall.
If you go with the idea of Mordred being Welsh and his "real" name Medraut, there is more. As seen and footnoted in Wikipedia:The Annales themselves completed 960 - 970, their authors drew on older material. Mordred was associated with Camlann at that early date, this brief entry gives no information as to whether he killed or was killed by Arthur, or even if he was fighting against him; the reader assumes this in the light of later tradition.
My final point :what makes for true literature is a character that is more than a simple villain. Mordred/Medraut has become soemthing deeper. He evolved better &greater over thousands of years. Not many characters do this. The best villains are tragic, & we love them. Arthur could not heal the land and the grail; not recoginizing his son as his heir, he is corrupted. Mordred is Morgaine/Morgauses vengeance at Igraine being taken by Pen Dragon when she was young- it is all far more satisfying.
i think its more along the lines of modern writing rather then the villen being sympathetic. i mean looks at shakespears villens. they are not monsters. they are men. and each, even Richar III has a moment of humanity. its the modern trend of anti hero that has made mordred in such a light.
in celtic legends medraut slaps quinever and abuses the house hold. and arthur pulls the same stund which leads to camlann. in another source its a warrior who stirs up agression. whatever the reasons mordred is the guy who had it in for his lord. something the audiance of the time understood. we tend to view him as a more antihero like charture.
It's always a pleasure to meet a fellow Arthurian fan. I have enjoyed your comments. My main point was/is, that it's all highly subjective. You can shake a stick at a legend as many times as you want, the good ones transform over time, become more. It is interesting to know"the original" lol, stories, but I am not a fascist when it comes to such myths. I like them having many different meanings. I appreciate you actually reference source material. So many do not!
Hog the board all you want; this is an interesting discussion. =)
Incidentally, speaking of different takes on the legend, I recently stumbled across an author who's doing a new and quite original retelling more along the pagan lines. He presents the myth entirely from Mordred's point of view, and adds the twist of Mordred growing up as a gay youth (with all the additional inner conflict of his being "different") and having an affair with Lancelot.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I really appreciate soemone who takes time to read the comments on their boards. That does sound like a new twist on the tale. God, Lancelot can;t keep his pants on for the life of him, can he? lol. Seriously. And of course, Lancelot always loved Arthur alot I thought so here is his son. Hmm. Intriguing.
So confusing, some legends say he's a trator to Arthur, some say Arthur was the traitor to him, some even go as far to say that they weren't enemies at all.
oh totaly ! if you watch "the tudors' he plays the bishop in the newest season. i was thrilled to see that actor again! but he plays an entirely different role then Mordred.
"The Trial of Lancelot," which can be ordered from the artist's website. (I tried to provide the URL for you, but YouTube won't permit that. It's easily found with a quick web search, however.)
Well, my personal favorites (other than this one) are probably the title track and "Measure of a Man." I believe you can listen to short clips from the album on Ms. Dale's site, though, if you'd rather judge for yourself. ;)
Yeah, and I would let him have first red hair that will turn black to the end when he changes from trickster to bad guy... just like bad Willow from Buffy
OpalStarlight and Endymion999- No Morgause was his aunt, and foster mother. Morgaine is Mordred's (Gwyndion's) birth mother. but Morgause decided to take him away and raise him as her own to use him to gain power.
If you read the Mists of Avalon you will understand.... It's really quite depressing actually...
It really depends on what source you go by. Most of the older french stuff has Mordred as the son of King Arthur and Morgause. As far as I know the Mists of Avalon was the first one to name him the son of Morgaine instead
A beautiful, beautiful song, and such a tragic tale. The things mothers can do to their sons, eh?
In my opinion, the stills work beautifully in this video, lovely to see a selection of various interpretations, and the stills are well selected in telling the story, the relationships and the emotions. A job very well done indeed, I think, and an absolute favourite of mine. Thanks for posting this.
5/5... Wish it could have been video clips, but at least this video was MADE... It's about time this poor fellow gets some sort of light that isn't "Zomg bad evil horrible person!" Good job! :D But a question... who was the actor on 2:30?
The sad thing is that Mordred deserves the justice he seeks. Arthur was born of Uther's rape of Morgan LeFay's mother. Arthur slept with Morgan, then tried to eliminate the evidence by sending all children of that certain age away. The ship wrecked with Mordred the only survivor.
Arthur is a story that illustrates the following point: One's good deeds do not eliminate the need to atone for one's sins.
The song is creepy, and completely in line with the myth. It's beautiful.
Pfisiar, I couldn't agree more. The song really adds an emotional depth to the character of Mordred, even though the "singer" of the so-called lullaby is his mother. It does indeed fit in well with the mythology of Arthur.
To everyone else ... again, I thank you for your nice comments. =)
He didn't try to eliminate the evidence, he was trying to avoid the prophecy that a child born on May Day, as Mordred was, will destroy him and his kingdom, so he shipped off all the noble babies that were born on that day including Mordred.
Does anyone know from what movie the first pic's from? the one with the masks...
celiaceder 3 months ago
Such an enchanting Song! :* My personal favourite Mordreds are Merlin1998 and Mists of avalon, best child version is from BBC Merlin :B
yunaisdehgal 4 months ago
What's this movie?
The12345678903272 7 months ago
@The12345678903272
I used clips from 4 different movies: "Camelot," "Excalibur," "Merlin," and "The Mists of Avalon."
Tancid 7 months ago
Oh that's really a cool video.. I think he's a very interesting character.. his story is very sad If you think about it. Good job!
Nekokumagoro 9 months ago
Wait, Morgan was Arthur's half-sister. So, Mordred would be Arthur's nephew.
Galutron 1 year ago
@Galutron Mordred's father is Authur.His mother is Morgause,who is Arthur's half-sister.
RikaKatsuki 1 year ago
can u get this on iTunes. my sis wants to know
breyergirl1243 1 year ago
That boy who plays Mordred as a child in The Mist Of Avalon is sooo CUTE!!!! xD
maaneblomme 1 year ago
I love how Mordred was portrayed in the book Mists of Avalon...I hated him in the movie version...instead of a great and intelligent priest of Avalon you have a spoiled brat.
AngelusSpkGrrl 1 year ago
I always thought that Morgana in a act of revenge against arthurs father who slept with her mother in the guise of own dead father did the same appearing to Arthur as Quenivere
talthan 1 year ago
This is one of the greatest videos ever made about Mordred Le Fay/ Pendragon. I love the song so much!!!! It conveys the entire story of Mordred in almost 4 minutes! And the pictures you chose were superb! I love all the different portrayals of Mordred. Evil Counsel in Saxon or Betrayal/Betrayed One in Celtic! His name even tells you all you need to know!
Great job on the video. I didn't mean to prattle on!
Narssissolock 1 year ago
"My only son,
each day you grow older,
each moment I’m watching
my vengeance unfold.
The child of my vibe,
the flesh of my soul,
will die in returning
the birthright he stole."
This probably means that As she watches her son grow up shes watching him become stronger as his hatred for Arthur grows. The Flesh of her soul means Mordred and that he will end up dying as he fights for the birthright Arthur took from Morgana. Am I right? Never really read the full legend.
OrihimeInoue1221 1 year ago
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amadaria 1 year ago
@OrihimeInoue1221 The lyrics are "Child of my Body/Flesh of my Soul". Morgana was suppose to be Queen. She was the then-kings only child. When Uther came alone he knocked her mother up with a male child. That child automatically became the Heir Apparent. In early versions Morgana didnt know she was banging her own brother, but in latter ones she did. Either way Author had a son for the throne and still married Gwen to try creating a different heir. I'd be pissed too!
amadaria 1 year ago
@OrihimeInoue1221 Guileless son. :)
maaneblomme 1 year ago
what is the move called?????
thebeezyboo 1 year ago
This is supposed to b from morgan le fay's perspective, i know, (like the line 'my brother the traitor) but whos she talkin bout wen she ways 'for u are the proof of how he betrayed her'?
SisterOfDoubt 1 year ago
Presumably because Mordred, being the illegitimate son of Arthur and Morgan, is the proof of how Arthur betrayed Guinevere (i.e., by having slept with and had a child with another woman) ... although most versions of the tale would have it that Mordred was conceived prior to Arthur and Guinevere's marriage.
Tancid 1 year ago 3
@Tancid
However it's still a betrayal of Gwen that he already had a son, and hadn't told her about it beforehand.
Calibizaro 1 year ago 3
@Calibizaro
Good point! Of course, to confuse the issue more, you then have the versions where Morgan kept Mordred a secret, and Arthur knew nothing of him until he showed up at Arthur's court as a young man. LOL So I guess it's all in what each person views as Arthurian canon. I'm not sure if you've seen the new television show "Merlin" at all, but THEY give the legend an entirely NEW twist. It's rather interesting to see what they're doing with it.
Tancid 1 year ago 2
@Tancid oooOOoooo...I shall have to look into this new series ;) I took an Arthurian Literature course in college...and Tancid you are quite correct! There are several versions and variations of the Arthurian legend all ranging in between the older celt/pagan versions to the "newer" Christianized ones. Not many know that the "courtly love" theme in the later Arthurian tales originated in France and came to England via Eleanor of Aquitaine, and that Lancelot had been a French addition.
Calibizaro 1 year ago
@Tancid I also heard a version where Morgan actually uses magic to disguise herself as Guinevere when Mordred was conceived
guinnessdrinkur 3 weeks ago
@Calibizaro
But He didnt know about the child being his, or that there was even a child. So the fact that Mab/His mother knew and used it to their greedy advantage was not the fault of Arthur.
Robbie107981159 1 year ago
@Robbie107981159
Oh I know & different versions of the legend put different spins on it. I was speaking from the mind-set of the time. back then it didn't matter if you knew about it or not, it could still have been seen as a betrayal in early Christian mindset, but I think it was more because of the fact that Gwen was barren, it was like mud in her eye. Mordred also embodies Arthur's conflicts between the still prevalent pagan culture and the rising and inexorable power of Christianity .
Calibizaro 1 year ago
@Calibizaro
That is true. That is very true. Walking a very thin fine line does that to a person. *nods head in agreement*
Robbie107981159 1 year ago
@SisterOfDoubt Well, the song IS called "Mordred's Lullaby," so it's safe to assume she's singing this to Mordred. :)
MoonkissedWolf 1 year ago
@SisterOfDoubt Arthur was married to Guenevere when he slept with Morrigan (his sister) who was disguised at the time. Mordrid is Morrigan's son... yeah...
Amestrian 3 weeks ago
@SisterOfDoubt because in many legends Mordred reveal Guinevere betrayed Arthur,.in some versions also Mordred seduce Guinevere
ballaesmeralda 3 weeks ago
The book I AM MORDRED by Nancy Springer was a really good story from Mordred's point of view.
There were several versions of the King Arthur myth, most of them differ on who Mordred's mother was (Morgan Le Fay or Morgause) and her exact relation to Arthur (sister or aunt). And on how he was taught to think of Arthur. In several of the versions, he adored Arthur, and actually was working to become part of the round table. Also, he was commonly depicted as being raised by his aunt.
moirakontis 1 year ago
what is this about?
is this a tale?
??
alicea5 2 years ago
Yeah its about how Mordred is king Arthurs son and how his mother, King Arthurs half-sister, is raising him to get revenge on Arthur for apprently taking the crown from her.
BrittRoxs123 1 year ago 2
his mother want the throne? wouldn't his father inherit the throne anyway, isn't king Arthur the next in the line for the throne and now Mordred mother? was Mordred raise outside of knowing his father, because it sound like he can not kill his own father.
alicea5 1 year ago
He didnt know Arthur was his father until he was about 15. But Arthur tried to kill him when he was a baby. And They had different dads and their mother only had one boy. its complicated
BrittRoxs123 1 year ago
why would his father try to kill him?
alicea5 1 year ago
Because Merlin told him if he didnt kill Mordred that Mordred would kill him. In some versions they actualy kill each other in this huge battle. Pretty sad if you ask me.
BrittRoxs123 1 year ago
aww, father and son. this was never meant to be, evil always live in the hearts of living beings. But it wasn't their fault, wasn't it plan out by the mother?
alicea5 1 year ago
Not in the end. Mordred hated his father. He is the one, well in one version, that told Arthur anout his wife and lancelot. Its a fucked up story actually.
BrittRoxs123 1 year ago
even in the missoula children's theatre version mordred hated his father
even tho he was young in that version and lived with king arthur and morgan ley fay was king arthurs sister
but wait queniveere what about her?
PichuABC 1 year ago
In one version morded is the one who exposed the affair between her and lancelot to king arthur
BrittRoxs123 1 year ago
woha! I didn't know anything about this version of the story... well, there are plenty of, but this is so new to me! Thank you for telling! :) Happy new year!
NikeAry 2 years ago
A beautiful song. No other comment is needed.
draconicon2 2 years ago
Awesome video,even more touching with the pictures...this is by far one of the best vids ive seen yet with this song...faved...thanks you made my night
Gothicgrl104 2 years ago
Y'know, even though Mordred was the bad guy, I can't help but feel sorry for him because he was born with no purpose of his own other than to serve his mother's vengeful ambition.
thestrongtiger82 2 years ago 4
Depends on the version you follow. I prefer the one where Morgana was just used and fucked over....
TriaMaxwell 2 years ago 6
Even so, it seems Morgana was pretty damn vengeful and raised Mordred in order to achieve revenge for her.
thestrongtiger82 2 years ago 4
which book is this from? or film? please reply, i would love to watch or read.
benniS26 2 years ago
Again, all the films are listed in the closing credits. =)
There are many, many books on the subject of Mordred (a/k/a Medraut), King Arthur, and Camelot. One of the best-known is "The Once and Future King" (pub. 1958) by T.H. White. For a more comprehensive list of reading material, Wikipedia is your friend. ;)
Tancid 2 years ago
Thanks i'll go look it up on amazon (:
i like escaping into these things (:
benniS26 2 years ago
what movies did you use for this song?
Betterthandrugs 2 years ago
I adore this song! When i have kids I am so singing this to them every night. they won't even understand what it means until they're oldre, and it's just so pretty and hypnotically calming.
1love103 2 years ago 3
This song is permanently embedded in my head. Hypnotic.
chantere11e 2 years ago
I'm mesmerized by the cold beauty of this song.
spritedream47 2 years ago 22
This song reminds me of the book 'I am Mordred' by Nancy Springer. It's a fantastic book about Mordred's point of view. I recommend anyone who likes Arthurian legends, or this song to read that book.
The ending had me in tears.
OnceWasARose 2 years ago 5
i read that book as well i agree with your words. All stories all seem to condem Mordred but 'I am Mordred" let you get a idea of his view so read the book before you judge.
Erestory 2 years ago
Morgana witnessed the conception of her half brother arthur by Uther as his army slaughtered her father. Her vengence was aimed at Merlin and Mordred was blood heir to the throne. He was a tool to her. No women should be named david or morgan.
willowspeaks 2 years ago
I don't know any women named David. <.<;;;
NekoNightressTote 2 years ago 4
...my mother's name is Mary David.
mariposakitten 2 years ago
Really great,well done,lol :)
guinevere1111 2 years ago
I think the point of the song is that he was taught from birth that his only loyalty was to be to his mother. And that he was to view his father as a usurper and traitor that deserved to die, But I would love to hear his side of the story he is painted as a villen no mater the form of the legend you look at. It would be interesting to hear his side of things as they say En Media Veritas. The truth is in the middle
fujimiaaya 2 years ago 3
They need to make a movie about Mordred's side of the Arthurian legends. There is more substance to explain what he does. hell, If I found out my father banged his own sister to create me while he was also married, I'd be pissed too! even if my mother didn't raise me to be evil i'd hate him
theMetalNerd91 2 years ago 27
half sister
NekuThat1DeadKid 2 years ago
If I ever have a son I'll sing this to him, lol.
SuperWarriorMullet 2 years ago 6
Me too. xxx
kalimaab 2 years ago
Poor, lost Mordred.
And I imagine that Morgan le Fey wouldn't have wanted to know how painfully it all came out, but oh well.
MySerpentine 2 years ago
I absolutely LOVE this song! Great job with the video; the pictures fit really well. I thought it was amazing.
xbree92x 2 years ago 3
Definitively wonderful!
Congratulations!
RODRIGODIMIOS 2 years ago
In the earliest Celtic legends, Mordred isnt Arthurs son. He is just a traitor to the Britons. Just thought I would interject that.
ARP7777777 2 years ago 4
I love all things Arthurian, and this is escelent. What are the movies used? I wanna see them.
Camalot777 2 years ago 2
The Mists of Avalon
Excalibur
Camelot
Merlin
coramunroe 2 years ago
Mordred is my favorite character of the Arthurian myth. He is a victim of circumstances, he did not ask to be the incestuous son or Arthur and (Morgause, Morgaine, whoever). And his father is the evil one. I was so shocked when I learned Arthur sent to their doom a ship full of babies to get rid of his shameful son. Maybe Mordred is not good but he has reasons and is father is not the good king he's supposed to be.
ThalieXVII 2 years ago 6
Being a good KING isn't the same as being a good Father. He unified Britain into a single nation and stopped the fighting between the Angles and the Saxons and defended them all against the Norse. From that perspective, he was a good King.
Ragentor 2 years ago 2
Actually, if he existed at all, he was uniting Britons against the Saxon invaders. The Norse came much later.
iconman001 2 years ago
In light of the previous discussion, Mordred was not in the pagan myths.
shadowfox363 2 years ago
For some reason, I can't help but imagine Song of Ice and Fire to this song
FaustianDreams 2 years ago 3
Have you ever read the book Camelot's Blood? If you haven't you should, it really is amazing
R0thu5 3 years ago
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SurrealGodess 3 years ago
The answer to that question can be found both in the video's description and in its closing credits. ;)
Tancid 3 years ago
what is this movie about?
inubaka13 3 years ago
Theres a mix of movies here - Camelot, Excalibur, The Mists of Avalon, and Merlin - all of which tell different versions of the King Arthur legend. Mordred was the son of King Arthur and his sister. In every version I've seen/read, he doesnt know it was his sister. In some versions she does and in some she doesnt.
coramunroe 3 years ago
To expand upon that somewhat ....
These films relate the rise & fall of the Utopian kingdom of Camelot, ruled by Arthur & Guinevere. It is Guinevere's illicit affair with Arthur's cherished friend Sir Lancelot du Lac which begins to undermine the idyll, & when Mordred (Arthur's bastard son) exposes it publically, the kingdom is shattered. There are, of course, numerous other details to the myth, but that's the bare bones version.
This song (& video) assume the viewpoint of Mordred's mother.
Tancid 3 years ago
I named my daughter Morgan. I saw Excalibur on cable when I was seven or eight when my parents weren't around. I was obsessed with all things King Arthur and Chivalry since then and Morgan was always one of my favorite names.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
Really? In most versions i've read Mordred was his nephew... Confusing or what? :P
Tashadragon 2 years ago
Both are true. Mordred is the son of Morgausse, Arthur's half-sister.
Pfisiar22 2 years ago
he's both the nephew and his son, arthur slept with his half sister and Mordred is their child
Betterthandrugs 2 years ago
he was his nephew and his son.
elvenfay 2 years ago
Some authors said it was Morgan's and Arthur's son, other said it was Morgause's and Lot's son. Other legends say it was Morgan's son but it grew up with Morgause's children. There is a large choice of versions, just take which you prefer XD
SakiJune 2 years ago 3
Actually, the last version you mentioned, I think, says that Morgause is Morgana's sister, and that Mordred is son of King Arthur and Morgause: so Morgana is not "evil", Morgause is. But this version is not so popular: it is because people united the two characters of Morgana and Morgause. You know, i prefer this story because I like Morgana!
NikeAry 2 years ago
it is notso easy when you have orally-transmitted tradition: you have a lot of version. For example, how many people think that the one who discovered the Grahal was "Percefal"? The other half think that it was Galahad, Lancelot's son... XD There is a lot of choice.
NikeAry 2 years ago
Well, Perceval discovered the Graal ;) But he failed in saving the King Pelles...in Fact both of them found the Graal but Galahad was the chosen one :)
lolipopo 2 years ago
Wow I really love this song and the movie is really good too!
DarkFanGirl101 3 years ago
What is that from , that picture at 0:05 seconds. Just curious.
And what is it of?
angelgirl148 3 years ago
I think it's a picture taken from The Mists of Avalon, a movie based upon the book by Marion Zimmer Bradley. It's Morgaine (or Morgan le Fey) and Arthur.
Evamitchelle 3 years ago
Specifically, adding to what Evamitchelle said, it's the ceremony of the Marriage of Arthur to the land....not a Christian thing clearly. He is the King Stag, and Morgan le Fey is the Goddess....obviously they do what they do, and in the morning after doing it again, they realize with horror who each other is. They couldnt tell, but Morgan realizes its her baby brother Arthur. Needless to say, they were pretty freaked....
XxDarkNiteRaynexX 3 years ago
so what's your take on the Excalibur version of the events where she seduces Arthur purposefully? And Helen Mirren is incredible, btw.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
why does she call mordred 'guileless'
i would have thought mordred was full of guile.
deadman00 3 years ago
The song is a lullaby, soemthing you sing to your infant or child. He began guileless and innocent but his mother slowly made him into the instrument of her revenge and he did eventually becoming full of guile in many tales. But he did not start that way.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
that is one view yes. but not in some stories.
deadman00 3 years ago
Which film is from 1:25 to 2:17?
To me, Merlin has been the definitive film depicting the legends of King Arthur, but, I have to say that one looks pretty good. Their Mordred appears he could be a bit more sypathetic, but I could be wrong
Anyway, good job.
SecretAllyWallE 3 years ago
Those clips were from "The Mists of Avalon."
Tancid 3 years ago
hmm, quite a good video for a first attempt... it doesn't have as good a flow as some but for a first, impressively done
Ironsouled 3 years ago
wat movie is 2:26 from
PunkRockess1995 3 years ago
the tv movie "merlin"
Bigfatdaddy9919 3 years ago
Mordred truly is one of the most tragic characters in mythology. He oculd hav ebeen so much more than a tool of vengeance, but his mother ate his psyche, poisoned him.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
that is the view point of this vid yes. t.h. white also takes that view.
but im not convinced that is the view point of the orignal legends.
they saw him as the tritor. plain and simple. we tend to view mordred as an oedipus in some ways. modern views have made mordred an antihero. whereas alot of older legends he was a plain villen. allthough intrestingly in one version mordred morns the death of gawain and is sad that he has torn apart the round table. (alitrative mort d arthur)
deadman00 3 years ago
this is probly the only ancient source that presents a sensitive mordred.
in all others, geoffery, stanzic morte, malory, etc. mordred is a plain villen.
deadman00 3 years ago
Hello. Geoffrey of Monmouth chronicled his own speculations. His AND Mallory's writings were heavily Christianized&influenced by the age of chivalry& Roman culture. What Arthur symbolizes as the King/God married to the land/goddess and his abilities to overcome supernatural creatures and heal the land come from his being "the true king."
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
BTw that hello was meant as a nice greeting not sarcasm, lol,sorry.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
its ok. u are just not aware of how much of the arthurian legend i HAVE read. ive read goeffoery, mallory and the older legends.
a LOT of them.
deadman00 3 years ago
thats a bit of the neopagan view. that arthur is married to an earth goddess. but not one on the orginal legends. people often say that malory is christianized. but i really dont think they are really reading it carefuly enough. the vulgat version, which was malory's source, had its christian influence true. but notice how quickly malory goes over the grail quest. maroly tells of romantic tales and at times he even saterises them. and shows that not all heros are perfect.
deadman00 3 years ago
It is not just neopagan. I did study this a bit more in depth in college. And of course, like most people who feel the story personally affects them, have been fascinated by all aspects of the story. have my less favorite versions to be sure. I was never able to get into Mists of Avalon for instance because it was so damn depressing. And it is not neopagan so much as it is about celtic culture, bardic tradition that interests me, and symbolism. Antiheros are not just modern.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
it isn't a depressing movie... well not very depressing. if you want a depressing movie watch the killing fields
Ironsouled 3 years ago
The movie was not as depressing as the book, I''ll give you that. But the book was damn depressing. And the killing fields IS depressing. So is the Constant Gardner, but it has elements of beauty.
Cedarray 3 years ago
all of things that are considered sad have beuty... course the Mists of Avalon had moments in both book and movie where you laugh too. without sadness, joy has no meaning, and a meaningless joy means a world not worth living. Course, I'm not saying seek out sorrow, but do remember that it serves a purpose and has a place
Ironsouled 3 years ago
I think I made a mistake in saying it is Chirstianized I suppose. In that many saints are old gods, etc. Just different manifestations. I think there was more than one arthur, real arthurs, uthers. And mallory did live in Christian times and Chivalry. Chivalry was a big deal, it really changed the way men and women (at least of the upper classes:) dealt with each other.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
remember this in geoffery mordred takes the kingdom and queen. how much quinever is a part of this plot geoffery himself is silent about. remeamber this is before there was a lancelot. malory uses the Stanzaic morte and another Morte version for his sources. here quinever is clearly 'faking it' however in one early source, she has mordred's kid. and in one arthur dreams that mordred and guinever destroy his hall.
deadman00 3 years ago
Yes. Dang that's a wrinkle I do not recall, Guinevere and Mordred having a kid. Intriguing. I like it.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
You know, I better go back and Read Geoffrey. I have been meaning to for awhile. Time to brush up.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
If you go with the idea of Mordred being Welsh and his "real" name Medraut, there is more. As seen and footnoted in Wikipedia:The Annales themselves completed 960 - 970, their authors drew on older material. Mordred was associated with Camlann at that early date, this brief entry gives no information as to whether he killed or was killed by Arthur, or even if he was fighting against him; the reader assumes this in the light of later tradition.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
My final point :what makes for true literature is a character that is more than a simple villain. Mordred/Medraut has become soemthing deeper. He evolved better &greater over thousands of years. Not many characters do this. The best villains are tragic, & we love them. Arthur could not heal the land and the grail; not recoginizing his son as his heir, he is corrupted. Mordred is Morgaine/Morgauses vengeance at Igraine being taken by Pen Dragon when she was young- it is all far more satisfying.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago 2
i think its more along the lines of modern writing rather then the villen being sympathetic. i mean looks at shakespears villens. they are not monsters. they are men. and each, even Richar III has a moment of humanity. its the modern trend of anti hero that has made mordred in such a light.
deadman00 3 years ago
Hmm, I would say some are supernatural. Ariel, Caliban. Oberon, Titania, Puck.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
in celtic legends medraut slaps quinever and abuses the house hold. and arthur pulls the same stund which leads to camlann. in another source its a warrior who stirs up agression. whatever the reasons mordred is the guy who had it in for his lord. something the audiance of the time understood. we tend to view him as a more antihero like charture.
deadman00 3 years ago
Tell me, do you identify with Medraut? What is your personal take on it all? Feel free to message me instead of posting here.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
merely because I do not wish to hog the board. :)
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
i know of medraut.
its my yahoo and myspace login name for a reason.
deadman00 3 years ago
It's always a pleasure to meet a fellow Arthurian fan. I have enjoyed your comments. My main point was/is, that it's all highly subjective. You can shake a stick at a legend as many times as you want, the good ones transform over time, become more. It is interesting to know"the original" lol, stories, but I am not a fascist when it comes to such myths. I like them having many different meanings. I appreciate you actually reference source material. So many do not!
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
Hog the board all you want; this is an interesting discussion. =)
Incidentally, speaking of different takes on the legend, I recently stumbled across an author who's doing a new and quite original retelling more along the pagan lines. He presents the myth entirely from Mordred's point of view, and adds the twist of Mordred growing up as a gay youth (with all the additional inner conflict of his being "different") and having an affair with Lancelot.
Very intriguing.
Tancid 3 years ago
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I really appreciate soemone who takes time to read the comments on their boards. That does sound like a new twist on the tale. God, Lancelot can;t keep his pants on for the life of him, can he? lol. Seriously. And of course, Lancelot always loved Arthur alot I thought so here is his son. Hmm. Intriguing.
PleiadesSeven 3 years ago
So confusing, some legends say he's a trator to Arthur, some say Arthur was the traitor to him, some even go as far to say that they weren't enemies at all.
ShoeMage 3 years ago
Pretty good for a first video. Poor Mordred :(
LandsEbb 3 years ago 2
What movie is the Mordred at 1:37 at?
Sarchale 3 years ago
The Mists of Avalon! Which doesn't portray him as well as the book version does, but he's an adorable toddler (see 0:08) :)
LandsEbb 3 years ago
i liked mordred better in the book too, but that actors great for him! so i cant complain.
wraithofthedark 3 years ago
plus the actor in Mists was SO cute!!
deadman00 3 years ago
oh totaly ! if you watch "the tudors' he plays the bishop in the newest season. i was thrilled to see that actor again! but he plays an entirely different role then Mordred.
wraithofthedark 3 years ago
is that second season of Tudors?
deadman00 3 years ago
yeah. it wasnt as good as the first in my opinion.
wraithofthedark 3 years ago
well even season one was not as good as the BBC The Six wives of Henry 8th.
and its sequil Elizabeth R.
deadman00 3 years ago
love the song
spystylejr 3 years ago 2
I see this as a prophecy of sorts, more than as Morgan's actual intentions.
MySerpentine 3 years ago 3
I wouldn't go to bed listening to any other song. It's awesome.
kyle4590 3 years ago
Great song, able to beat even Mordred's Song by Blind Guardian, although they feat each other to continue.
Beaumain 3 years ago
ah. Very nicely done indeed. :]
5/5 in my opinion. ^ w ^
Gudk1p 3 years ago
can you maybe send me the song?
mansonswhore 3 years ago
I suspect that would be considered illegal. I would recommend purchasing the CD.
Tancid 3 years ago
what's the name of the CD?
Hinataninja101 3 years ago
"The Trial of Lancelot," which can be ordered from the artist's website. (I tried to provide the URL for you, but YouTube won't permit that. It's easily found with a quick web search, however.)
Tancid 3 years ago
thank you ^^ can you recomend any other songs from the CD?
Hinataninja101 3 years ago
Well, my personal favorites (other than this one) are probably the title track and "Measure of a Man." I believe you can listen to short clips from the album on Ms. Dale's site, though, if you'd rather judge for yourself. ;)
Apologies for the delayed response.
Tancid 3 years ago
no prob ^^
Hinataninja101 3 years ago
Poor Mordred . . . and poor Morgan le Fey, as well.
MySerpentine 3 years ago 3
Tancid! Beautiful!
LadyKibow 3 years ago
I'm going to ask, if someone would tell me, it would be wonderful. What movie is this? I want to watch it. Wonderful slideshow btw.
tHeDeAdLiEsTsIn 3 years ago
I used clips from 4 different movies: "Camelot," "Excalibur," "Merlin," and "The Mists of Avalon."
Tancid 3 years ago
Jason Done would make a perfect Loki from Norse Mythology
Endymion999 3 years ago
I would have to agree. ;)
Tancid 3 years ago
Yeah, and I would let him have first red hair that will turn black to the end when he changes from trickster to bad guy... just like bad Willow from Buffy
Endymion999 3 years ago
Wow such a lovely video!!
I didn't see much of his mother Morgaine though.
waipolipoli 3 years ago
Wasn't Morgause his mother?
Endymion999 3 years ago
Yeah, she was...
OpalStarlight 3 years ago
It really depends which version you're using as your source. See my earlier reply to TakiTalimXianghua for a more in-depth explanation.
Tancid 3 years ago
OpalStarlight and Endymion999- No Morgause was his aunt, and foster mother. Morgaine is Mordred's (Gwyndion's) birth mother. but Morgause decided to take him away and raise him as her own to use him to gain power.
If you read the Mists of Avalon you will understand.... It's really quite depressing actually...
waipolipoli 3 years ago
It really depends on what source you go by. Most of the older french stuff has Mordred as the son of King Arthur and Morgause. As far as I know the Mists of Avalon was the first one to name him the son of Morgaine instead
BLACKROSELYCAN 3 years ago
that aare some versions of the legendt that also say that Morgausse was Arthurs half sister
Hinataninja101 3 years ago
A beautiful, beautiful song, and such a tragic tale. The things mothers can do to their sons, eh?
In my opinion, the stills work beautifully in this video, lovely to see a selection of various interpretations, and the stills are well selected in telling the story, the relationships and the emotions. A job very well done indeed, I think, and an absolute favourite of mine. Thanks for posting this.
swannoc 3 years ago
Thank YOU for your kind words, swannoc. =)
Tancid 3 years ago
This is brilliant.
MadcapMan 3 years ago
beautiful, if not a bit creepy.
StarBane02 3 years ago
5/5... Wish it could have been video clips, but at least this video was MADE... It's about time this poor fellow gets some sort of light that isn't "Zomg bad evil horrible person!" Good job! :D But a question... who was the actor on 2:30?
heartlessxocean 3 years ago
Unfortunately, I don't have all those films on DVD, so I had to settle for stills. ;)
The actor at 2:30 is Jason Done.
Tancid 3 years ago
Stills work! :D
^^ Thanks for letting me know. -runs off to find that movie-
heartlessxocean 3 years ago
The sad thing is that Mordred deserves the justice he seeks. Arthur was born of Uther's rape of Morgan LeFay's mother. Arthur slept with Morgan, then tried to eliminate the evidence by sending all children of that certain age away. The ship wrecked with Mordred the only survivor.
Arthur is a story that illustrates the following point: One's good deeds do not eliminate the need to atone for one's sins.
The song is creepy, and completely in line with the myth. It's beautiful.
Pfisiar22 3 years ago 9
Pfisiar, I couldn't agree more. The song really adds an emotional depth to the character of Mordred, even though the "singer" of the so-called lullaby is his mother. It does indeed fit in well with the mythology of Arthur.
To everyone else ... again, I thank you for your nice comments. =)
Tancid 3 years ago
/Thank you/.
I thought I was the only one who actually saw this. Really was a tragic story, all the way around.
heartlessxocean 3 years ago
I couldn't agree more. Another song that I think shows the tragic of Mordred's character very well is "Mordred's Song" by Blind Guardian.
Incapability 3 years ago
He didn't try to eliminate the evidence, he was trying to avoid the prophecy that a child born on May Day, as Mordred was, will destroy him and his kingdom, so he shipped off all the noble babies that were born on that day including Mordred.
SerbianEmpire 3 years ago