Winter Soldier (talking truth about Iraq, Vietnam)-2/5

[Redbaron011]

I'm tired of that old hippie bag. Just play the damn footage.

[southsydney]

i like the part in 'all quiet on the western front' where the characters come up with a better alternative to war. Get the leaders of the countries to fight it out in an arena, love that book

[chuckkottke]

Let's compare the gradual descent of behavior in an occupation with resistance, where frustration and retaliation can become brutality and random outbursts of violence for some. Unless human nature has changed, these things are constant in history. War for a Democracy is for defense only, not offense; occupations cannot last, and revolutionary war cannot be justified if it is not by the will of the citizens in the nation where the action is.

[mattcox16]

Let's compare every future war to Vietnam. Because they will always be the fucking same. Gimme a break, this is bullshit.

[imthunder]

why can't more people see this?

[TSM9356]

sayy no to all war

[kaintucklongknife]

I have several friends in the military now some of whom are in Iraq now. None feel that the war is a lost cause. They feel that developing Democracy in Iraq is a worthy goal and that fighting terrorism overseas is better than fighting it in the US.

[chuckkottke]

The 9-11 terrorism was Al Qaeda & not Iraq. The way to deal with dictators is to isolate their regime, not harm the citizens, and contain. Slow, but with much, much less harm, and with a greater possibility to maintain national dignity and stability. What we have in Iraq is a country which has suffered unduly from our government's policy for 18 years; and after all the unnecessary destruction, disease, impoverishment, and war, is taking hold of it's own future; the outcome still unclear.

[suedenham]

The late Dave Cline came up with this one...

If they order you to go,

There is something you should know.

Bush waves the flag when you attack,

When you come home, he turns his back!

Bush and Cheney talk that talk,

But we know they're chicken hawks.

If they think they're so damn right,

Let Bush and Cheney go and fight!

Sound off...

[kellog1]

when you hear the testimonies of these soldiers you'll come to know how evil are these americans.

[AbtinX]

bismillahi arahmani rahim, authobillahi mina sheitani rajim

[james703atmsndotcom]

The soldiers who testified in 1971 and today are truly brave ... David Cortright's Soldier's In Revolt has led the soldier's of today see the way to starting to heal. May their testimony help bring about the end of this tragic war and bring about their healing.

[AbtinX]

brave? what makes them brave? where they brave when they watched rape being comitted doing nothing? were they brave when they bravely followed orders to open fire on everything in their vicinity during firefights? they are coward dogs and now they are paying a very small bit of their dues

[VibrateHigh]

Yes, they are brave

Yes, it took time to come forward.

We learn and react slowly as we stand in fear from those in charge. So, it is a long way to come. But at least they got there. Many won't.

[AbtinX]

they did something burdened by guilt, that is hardly bravery. Brave is the Iraqi resistance fighter, hated and despised, ill equipped and famished who fights imperialism with a rusty AK and a road side bomb if he has to. These men are to be admired. These men are truly brave. Who sacrifice their lives in Falluja and Basra for those who cannot

[VibrateHigh]

I disagree. It is not guilt that brings people forward, it is a desire to reclaim their souls, the same souls that were slyly taken away by those demanding that they follow the rules.

Every country has been guilty of senseless violence - we are ALL guilty and we ALL need to stop before we completely annihilate this world and it's people. There is nothing brave about killing.

[imthunder]

I'd like to see you rebel against your commander and friends in that situation. You would have been beaten to a pulp. It's all too easy to say what you would do in the safty of your own home.